Motherwell v Hibs. [Archive] - Page 3

Brightside

26-01-2020, 08:24 AM

Right, it was a 442. Except if players drift around it isn't always a ****ing 442 is it?

Were the players literally always in a 442 formation? Is that what you're saying?

Were u on the beer last night. All formations move around during a game. It’s not sensible soccer.

Northernhibee

26-01-2020, 09:08 AM

Why are we only happy when we have a player to lambast in the most OTT fashion? He took half an hour to grow into the game but after that James was fine.

Radium

26-01-2020, 09:15 AM

Fan blog from yesterday, mostly footage from the match

https://youtu.be/VOnWpWNHvq0

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04Sauzee

26-01-2020, 09:16 AM

For parts of the game yes, not for all of it. He was drifting up front many times.

Really wish our league had a good site for heatmaps so I could quickly prove these things. Isnt the match on alba? It will clearly show what I'm talking about.
This isn't under 7s wide players dont run up and down in straight lines. Imagine players having the freedom to drift

bigwheel

26-01-2020, 09:20 AM

Why are we only happy when we have a player to lambast in the most OTT fashion? He took half an hour to grow into the game but after that James was fine.

Some people find it almost impossible to change their opinions....I wonder where the Newall (disgrace of a player) posters are now? Some are still pillorying Doidge, despite his contributions...James was very poor for most of the first half yesterday. Yet, I would go as far to say - if he had started yesterday like he played in the second half, there would be a thread on here praising him.

Fair play to him for improving as the game went on.

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DTS

26-01-2020, 09:21 AM

James had a nightmare of a first half hour but boyle offered him no support (compare this to Horgan/Boyle always having to beat 2). He grew into the game, thought the back 4 played very well and stifled them a lot to long range efforts and when got into the box snuffed it out. My worry before the game was being a man light in the middle of the park and that showed. Overall disappointing we didn’t counter better but we had the best chance of the game and tbh with this hibs team I’d rather draw 0-0 than 2-2 we know we can score but the resoluteness shown yesterday was reassuring. I think going forward we can look to go 4-4-2 at home/lesser teams ala Hamilton midweek and 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 away or against OF dons/ well with Kamberi/Horgan dropping out for hallberg/allan. I don’t think 4-4-2 will be Ross’ preference but it’s an option that we can use and played correctly with two strikers two wingers it can be very direct and effective

MWHIBBIES

26-01-2020, 09:26 AM

Were u on the beer last night. All formations move around during a game. It’s not sensible soccer.

Yes, exactly. I know they move around. The dafties that insist if was 442 and remained 442 for 90 minutes don't. Boyle definitely wasn't right wing for the whole game.

MWHIBBIES

26-01-2020, 09:27 AM

James is not up to this level of football, he can't tackle and has a lack of pace. Omeonga and Newell were dropping back to help cover him.
Motherwell went past him with ease.

After the first 20 minutes, when those players started doing their jobs and helping him, no one went past him with ease.

hibsbollah

26-01-2020, 09:35 AM

James is not up to this level of football, he can't tackle and has a lack of pace. Omeonga and Newell were dropping back to help cover him.
Motherwell went past him with ease.

In the first half, he jockeyed his man and allowed him to get crosses in. It was a risky strategy, personally I would have favoured him putting a crunching tackle in after the fifth time it'd happened, but to be fair none of the boys crosses amounted to much.

Second half James was excellent, both against Scott and when they switched sides on the hour. Made a number of smart tackles and benefitted from omeonga helping out.

I feel like some folk stopped paying attention second half and had their match reports already written.

MWHIBBIES

26-01-2020, 09:39 AM

In the first half, he jockeyed his man and allowed him to get crosses in. It was a risky strategy, personally I would have favoured him putting a crunching tackle in after the fifth time it'd happened, but to be fair none of the boys crosses amounted to much.

Second half James was excellent, both against Scott and when they switched sides on the hour. Made a number of smart tackles and benefitted from omeonga helping out.

I feel like some folk stopped paying attention second half and had their match reports already written.

Couldn't agree more. Although I personally don't know if it was just at half time they made up their minds. I think many have written him off already and won't see things objectively at all.

Since452

26-01-2020, 09:40 AM

In the first half, he jockeyed his man and allowed him to get crosses in. It was a risky strategy, personally I would have favoured him putting a crunching tackle in after the fifth time it'd happened, but to be fair none of the boys crosses amounted to much.

Second half James was excellent, both against Scott and when they switched sides on the hour. Made a number of smart tackles and benefitted from omeonga helping out.

I feel like some folk stopped paying attention second half and had their match reports already written.

Exactly what I thought. Thought he was very good second half and the 90 mins would have done him the world of good

B.H.F.C

26-01-2020, 09:43 AM

Yes, exactly. I know they move around. The dafties that insist if was 442 and remained 442 for 90 minutes don't. Boyle definitely wasn't right wing for the whole game.

The dafties haha. There is only one of them with comments like that.

I don’t think anybody claimed they stood in the exact same position for 90 minutes.

hibsbollah

26-01-2020, 09:52 AM

calumhibee1

26-01-2020, 09:56 AM

It does. But then is that better than a crap result and a good performance?

It definitely is :agree:

B.H.F.C

26-01-2020, 09:56 AM

The most interesting thing about the game is a proper midfield looks like it's finally coming together. With Newell playing a key role in the centre. If you'd have told me that just 2 weeks ago I'd be accusing you of:flying:

I’m not so sure about the midfield yesterday, more the shape than the personnel. We couldn’t keep hold of the ball at all. Thought Omeonga struggled with the pace of the game but got stronger as it went on. Newell the best of the midfield for me, I can’t quite believe I’m seeing him running about trying to press the ball like he is.

bigwheel

26-01-2020, 09:59 AM

The most interesting thing about the game is a proper midfield looks like it's finally coming together. With Newell playing a key role in the centre. If you'd have told me that just 2 weeks ago I'd be accusing you of:flying:

Newall could be an important player for us in that role.....and I accept that Steph was curtailed a bit by his fitness and early booking...that said, I thought the midfield were largely anonymous for big parts of the game. Almost zero creativity...

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Northernhibee

26-01-2020, 10:02 AM

The most interesting thing about the game is a proper midfield looks like it's finally coming together. With Newell playing a key role in the centre. If you'd have told me that just 2 weeks ago I'd be accusing you of:flying:
He’s a good player. Think that James will be the next one to change people’s minds about him.

Doidge, Newell, Jackson, James and Hallberg all have their place at Hibs. That’s not a bad return for a transfer window, we just need a couple of star players to add that extra spark, a DM for balance and we are close to being a really good team.

jacomo

26-01-2020, 10:05 AM

So we defended corners and free kicks in a 442? Or did we attack in a 442? With everyone playing those perfect positions? Or did we actually have players interchaging, trying to confuse the opposition and create space and chances? Thats what actually happened and Boyle was often moving central. He offered very little when he did.

Came on here to see reactions to the game and it’s you having another row with people. Give it a rest man.

1. Other people won’t always agree with you. It’s ok.
2. Sometimes you are wrong. Sometimes we all are. Use it as a learning experience.

If you just want to shout down folk with different opinions, try twitter.

1620

26-01-2020, 10:06 AM

I’m not so sure about the midfield yesterday, more the shape than the personnel. We couldn’t keep hold of the ball at all. Thought Omeonga struggled with the pace of the game but got stronger as it went on. Newell the best of the midfield for me, I can’t quite believe I’m seeing him running about trying to press the call like he is.

I am quite surprised at the level of negativity surrounding yesterday’s result. For weeks now we have been complaining about how soft the midfield and defence have been - not able to keep a clean sheet.
Yesterday we played the third best team in the league away from home and did exactly that. The change of team shape and the personnel involved both contributed to the result and yes adjustments had to be made like giving James some help at times but as a whole the team in my opinion gained a point that not many of us pre match expected to get.

bigwheel

26-01-2020, 10:08 AM

I am quite surprised at the level of negativity surrounding yesterday’s result. For weeks now we have been complaining about how soft the midfield and defence have been - not able to keep a clean sheet.
Yesterday we played the third best team in the league away from home and did exactly that. The change of team shape and the personnel involved both contributed to the result and yes adjustments had to be made like giving James some help at times but as a whole the team in my opinion gained a point that not many of us pre match expected to get.

Don’t think any are complaining about the result....but they are about the performance.....

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MWHIBBIES

26-01-2020, 10:13 AM

Came on here to see reactions to the game and it’s you having another row with people. Give it a rest man.

1. Other people won’t always agree with you. It’s ok.
2. Sometimes you are wrong. Sometimes we all are. Use it as a learning experience.

If you just want to shout down folk with different opinions, try twitter.

I'm not having a row with people, I'm talking about the match. You've seen my reaction to the game. I don't have any issue with these people I'm talking with. I'm quite aware I'm sometimes wrong, I don't need you to tell me that. I'm not wrong in this case, sadly the facts to prove it are difficult to come by without watching a replay of the match. I'm not shouting down people with different opinions, I'm replying to their opinions with mine. I'm not the one peddling pish like "where u on the beer" or "admit it, you weren't at the game". Those are the ones shouting down my opinion, why haven't you replied to them?

Again you have gone off topic to address me personally. Stop it please or I will report you. I've done nothing wrong and I'm really not interested in your "advice"

Sir David Gray

26-01-2020, 10:14 AM

I am quite surprised at the level of negativity surrounding yesterday’s result. For weeks now we have been complaining about how soft the midfield and defence have been - not able to keep a clean sheet.
Yesterday we played the third best team in the league away from home and did exactly that. The change of team shape and the personnel involved both contributed to the result and yes adjustments had to be made like giving James some help at times but as a whole the team in my opinion gained a point that not many of us pre match expected to get.

The result was fine although I wasn't happy at all at half time. We were on the back foot constantly in the first half, we barely got out of our own half.

We did better in the second half and possibly could have won it in the end.

Pleased with the clean sheet but lots to work on.

we are hibs

26-01-2020, 10:15 AM

A simple solution is for James to stop backing off to the ridiculous extent he does quite a lot. There is nothing wrong with him technically or going forward but giving defenders 5 yards of space and backing off and not making a tackle isnt good enough regardless of support infront of him. Its football. You are going to be left 1v1 quite often at full back and its up to him to ensure he does enough to stop the ball/player getting into the box. No one is saying dive in either but there is a happy medium where you dont fully commit but still get close enough to affect the opposition player.

1620

26-01-2020, 10:26 AM

The result was fine although I wasn't happy at all at half time. We were on the back foot constantly in the first half, we barely got out of our own half.

We did better in the second half and possibly could have won it in the end.

Pleased with the clean sheet but lots to work on.

Agreed plenty to work on but missing two of our recognised back four, a new pairing in central midfield and a change in team shape! I just think we have to realistic about our expectations.

B.H.F.C

26-01-2020, 10:28 AM

I am quite surprised at the level of negativity surrounding yesterday’s result. For weeks now we have been complaining about how soft the midfield and defence have been - not able to keep a clean sheet.
Yesterday we played the third best team in the league away from home and did exactly that. The change of team shape and the personnel involved both contributed to the result and yes adjustments had to be made like giving James some help at times but as a whole the team in my opinion gained a point that not many of us pre match expected to get.

Not being negative about the result. A point there isn’t a bad point, it’s not that result that’ll cost us the chance to challenge for Europe, it’s the poor results earlier in the season. Despite that I didn’t think we played well, I just thought it was a poor game all round.

Hiber-nation

26-01-2020, 10:31 AM

I'm not having a row with people, I'm talking about the match. You've seen my reaction to the game. I don't have any issue with these people I'm talking with. I'm quite aware I'm sometimes wrong, I don't need you to tell me that. I'm not wrong in this case, sadly the facts to prove it are difficult to come by without watching a replay of the match. I'm not shouting down people with different opinions, I'm replying to their opinions with mine. I'm not the one peddling pish like "where u on the beer" or "admit it, you weren't at the game". Those are the ones shouting down my opinion, why haven't you replied to them?

Again you have gone off topic to address me personally. Stop it please or I will report you. I've done nothing wrong and I'm really not interested in your "advice"

Wow...that's rich. You actually said to me "You must've left after 10 minutes".

Your patronising tone does you no favours.

LaMotta

26-01-2020, 10:41 AM

Backing off and looking for the right moment to tackle is exactly how to do it, especially when left 1v1 by the disaster that is Boyle as striker. If Boyle plays his real position, James gets more cover and isn't left 1v1 so often.

James played well for an hour and his defending wasn't really poor. Jackson and Hanlon were excellent.

Really wish you would stop peddling this myth. Boyle has proved on countless occasions that he is effective in central positions.

MWHIBBIES

26-01-2020, 10:52 AM

Really wish you would stop peddling this myth. Boyle has proved on countless occasions that he is effective in central positions.

Countless? Hmmm. I could probably count them quite easily. Few championship games and Tynecastle. After that it gets difficult.

MWHIBBIES

26-01-2020, 10:55 AM

Wow...that's rich. You actually said to me "You must've left after 10 minutes".

Your patronising tone does you no favours.

Well, I apologize for that. I was out of order. I just find it hard to believe you only saw him drift up front once. That's not true at all.

I don't have a patronising tone. I don't have any tone. It's a text post. You can interpret it however you please.

stantonsboots

26-01-2020, 11:00 AM

Thought James was trying to outdo Whittaker’s performance last time out at Fir Park. To be fair to James, he stuck at it and came into the game a bit. Probably when Scott moved to the right mind you.
scott got moved to right because apart from the first 20mins, he wasn't getting past james.

hibsbollah

26-01-2020, 11:03 AM

He’s a good player. Think that James will be the next one to change people’s minds about him.

Doidge, Newell, Jackson, James and Hallberg all have their place at Hibs. That’s not a bad return for a transfer window, we just need a couple of star players to add that extra spark, a DM for balance and we are close to being a really good team.

Yes, that's fair.

I've rated Jackson since day one. I'd be happy to see him there every week, certainly till Porteous grows a better knee.

Doidge we know about.

James has had good and bad moments.

Hallberg has had a good start albeit a bit of a stinker on Wednesday night which will be fresh in people's minds. Looks like someone who can contribute as part of a midfield squad.

Newell has stunned me in the last two games. Sometimes you just have to hold up your hands and say you never saw it coming. God knows why anyone thought he was a winger.

We just some genuine top notch quality to add to these useful additions.

LaMotta

26-01-2020, 11:10 AM

Countless? Hmmm. I could probably count them quite easily. Few championship games and Tynecastle. After that it gets difficult.

Out of our last 4 goals Boyle has been involved in all of them. Hes set up one v Motherwell and scored one vs Dun utd, BOTH from central positions. He set up one drifting from wide into a central position vs Dun Utd and one from a cross out wide vs Motherwell.

He is effective wherever he plays.

Saying he is a disaster playing through the middle is just not in the slightest bit true and I'm genuinely confused why you keep trying to convince people of this.

B.H.F.C

26-01-2020, 11:10 AM

He’s a good player. Think that James will be the next one to change people’s minds about him.

Doidge, Newell, Jackson, James and Hallberg all have their place at Hibs. That’s not a bad return for a transfer window, we just need a couple of star players to add that extra spark, a DM for balance and we are close to being a really good team.

Still think we have a bit to go until we can consider them as having a place here and/or being a success. Doidge is the only one who has showed any form of consistently after a slow start. There have been some promising signs, at times, from some of the others but we’re still a bit away as a team.

Thought Jackson had his best game yesterday though.

MWHIBBIES

26-01-2020, 11:33 AM

Out of our last 4 goals Boyle has been involved in all of them. Hes set up one v Motherwell and scored one vs Dun utd, BOTH from central positions. He set up one drifting from wide into a central position vs Dun Utd and one from a cross out wide vs Motherwell.

He is effective wherever he plays.

Saying he is a disaster playing through the middle is just not in the slightest bit true and I'm genuinely confused why you keep trying to convince people of this.

I'm not trying to convince anyone, I really couldn't care less. He assisted from a cross vs Hamilton from out wide. He made a run from wide to the centre to hit the post vs Hamilton. He made the same run vs Aberdeen. He did well vs United but again, those were running from deep and a shot from central. That REALLY doesn't make him an effective striker. He has had so many poor games there for us.

superfurryhibby

26-01-2020, 11:40 AM

MWHIBBIES

26-01-2020, 11:47 AM

Boyle is definitely at his best coming in from wide positions. When Lennon played him up front before his injury he didn't really cut it and he was getting plenty of stick on here.

Agreed. Obviously he is in excellent form right now but before this his best form for Hibs was either as a pure winger or a wing back. Right now he is almost playing a freerole but still his best stuff starts wide.

B.H.F.C

26-01-2020, 11:48 AM

Boyle is definitely at his best coming in from wide positions. When Lennon played him up front before his injury he didn't really cut it and he was getting plenty of stick on here.

I think you also need to appreciate the improvement in Boyle since then. Whether it’s off the right or central, the end product is there which it wasn’t always before. His finishes against Hearts and Aberdeen, playing different positions in each game, were all top notch. He wouldn’t have had that type of composure in the past, when he got in, irrespective of what position he was playing.

superfurryhibby

26-01-2020, 12:17 PM

I think you also need to appreciate the improvement in Boyle since then. Whether it’s off the right or central, the end product is there which it wasn’t always before. His finishes against Hearts and Aberdeen, playing different positions in each game, were all top notch. He wouldn’t have had that type of composure in the past, when he got in, irrespective of what position he was playing.

I also agree with this. His recent roles have still been out wide, albeit with a licence to roam. What is clear is that he isn't nearly as effective when Lennon played him up front and through the middle as part of a front two.

I wonder how Boyle has managed to develop so much? Experience and coaching have taken his game to a level I never imagined and it seems like there is more to come from him. I suppose the challenge for him is to find out if he can do it against better players than those in the SPFL.

Ronniekirk

26-01-2020, 12:19 PM

He had a bug

Ah but think he would of been tested and maybe come off bench

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LaMotta

26-01-2020, 05:33 PM

I'm not trying to convince anyone, I really couldn't care less. He assisted from a cross vs Hamilton from out wide. He made a run from wide to the centre to hit the post vs Hamilton. He made the same run vs Aberdeen. He did well vs United but again, those were running from deep and a shot from central. That REALLY doesn't make him an effective striker. He has had so many poor games there for us.

So wait a minute yesterday when he roamed inside then we were like a man down and thats because hes moved in centrally....but in all those other times when he is scoring or assisting from central positions your only attributing that to the fact he started outwide?

He won a penalty at St Mirren through the middle, scored against Aberdeen twice through the middle, his first game back against Livingston - last minute equaliser. He's made some of those runs from outwide and some from the centre

I actually agree that he he is better playing out wide thats not my argument - but you have literally said he's a disaster as a striker and like a man down as a striker - really unfair assessment and one that doesn't stack up given his finishing ability and the way he can stretch defences.

LaMotta

26-01-2020, 05:37 PM

Boyle is definitely at his best coming in from wide positions. When Lennon played him up front before his injury he didn't really cut it and he was getting plenty of stick on here.

I agree he is better outwide but his only extended run up front was in the Championship where he scored 5 goals in 8 games so cant agree he didnt cut it.

He missed a pen at Tannadice then Cummings came back in after that and Boyle wasnt used up front again.

I'm sure you will agree that he isnt a disaster there as has been suggested.

LaMotta

26-01-2020, 05:39 PM

I also agree with this. His recent roles have still been out wide, albeit with a licence to roam. What is clear is that he isn't nearly as effective when Lennon played him up front and through the middle as part of a front two.

I wonder how Boyle has managed to develop so much? Experience and coaching have taken his game to a level I never imagined and it seems like there is more to come from him. I suppose the challenge for him is to find out if he can do it against better players than those in the SPFL.

5 goals in 8 games in his only real run up front says its not that clear:greengrin

Hibbyradge

26-01-2020, 06:15 PM

So wait a minute yesterday when he roamed inside then we were like a man down and thats because hes moved in centrally....but in all those other times when he is scoring or assisting from central positions your only attributing that to the fact he started outwide?

He won a penalty at St Mirren through the middle, scored against Aberdeen twice through the middle, his first game back against Livingston - last minute equaliser. He's made some of those runs from outwide and some from the centre

I actually agree that he he is better playing out wide thats not my argument - but you have literally said he's a disaster as a striker and like a man down as a striker - really unfair assessment and one that doesn't stack up given his finishing ability and the way he can stretch defences.

Both his goals against hearts ...

MWHIBBIES

26-01-2020, 06:27 PM

Iggy Pope

26-01-2020, 06:30 PM

Some protracted guff available on this thread.

hibeerealist

26-01-2020, 07:10 PM

Some protracted guff available on this thread.

Lol, Iggy saves the day with a simple sentence that is so true!!!

LaMotta

26-01-2020, 07:37 PM

Both his goals against hearts ...

:agree:

LaMotta

26-01-2020, 07:38 PM

He didn't score 2 against Aberdeen through the middle. Neither was scored from him being a striker. One was a run from his real position and another a breakaway from a corner? I think.

He scored 2 goals from the middle of the penalty area.:confused:

LaMotta

26-01-2020, 07:39 PM

Some protracted guff available on this thread.

Assume your talking about the Boyle chat, feel free to ignore it:na na:

Iggy Pope

26-01-2020, 07:58 PM

Assume your talking about the Boyle chat, feel free to ignore it:na na:

Made my call on that last night same thread. Like I say. Protracted.

MWHIBBIES

26-01-2020, 07:59 PM

He scored 2 goals from the middle of the penalty area.:confused:

Thats an awful way of judging a players effectiveness in that position mate, come on. He came from the right wing for the first one.

Hanlon scored against Hamilton from the middle of the box, is he an effective striker?

LaMotta

26-01-2020, 08:14 PM

Thats an awful way of judging a players effectiveness in that position mate, come on. He came from the right wing for the first one.

Hanlon scored against Hamilton from the middle of the box, is he an effective striker?

Oh my god :brickwall I know he came from wide for one I already said that so is that you admitting he ran through the middle for the second one i take it :LOL:

I tell you whats awful is claiming that a guy who scored 5 one one on ones in less than 2 months cant play as a striker. He clearly can, even if hes better out wide.

You've actually started off in this thread slagging Boyle's striking abilities during a game where he played on the ****in wing :rotflmao: I give up with you - you'd argue black is white until the end of time if you could.

LaMotta

26-01-2020, 08:14 PM

Made my call on that last night same thread. Like I say. Protracted.

I quite agree to be honest.

Broken Gnome

26-01-2020, 09:09 PM

In those highlights, Horgan wants shooting for not playing in Boyle in the build-up to Kamberi hitting the post. Was about 5 on 2.

MWHIBBIES

26-01-2020, 09:11 PM

Oh my god :brickwall I know he came from wide for one I already said that so is that you admitting he ran through the middle for the second one i take it :LOL:

I tell you whats awful is claiming that a guy who scored 5 one one on ones in less than 2 months cant play as a striker. He clearly can, even if hes better out wide.

You've actually started off in this thread slagging Boyle's striking abilities during a game where he played on the ****in wing :rotflmao: I give up with you - you'd argue black is white until the end of time if you could.

Scoring one on ones also is a horrendous metric of judging if someone can play striker or not. Little bit more to it. You use logic like that and you wonder why I disagree...

He didn't play on the wing for the entire game.

It's nothing to do with me arguing. You keep replying, I keep replying. I just manage to keep it on topic because I'm not an emotional child.

B.H.F.C

26-01-2020, 09:17 PM

[QUOTE=MWHIBBIES;6059235]He didn't play on the wing for the entire game.
/QUOTE]

If you’re talking about yesterday I honestly can’t believe your still banging on about that. He played as a winger for the whole game yesterday, he just happened to find himself in different areas at times. It happens. Like the example I mentioned of Stevenson popping up on the right wing at Tynecastle, that doesn’t mean he wasn’t playing left back!

MWHIBBIES

26-01-2020, 09:22 PM

He didn't play on the wing for the entire game.

If you’re talking about yesterday I honestly can’t believe your still banging on about that. He played as a winger for the whole game yesterday, he just happened to find himself in different areas at times. It happens. Like the example I mentioned of Stevenson popping up on the right wing at Tynecastle, that doesn’t mean he wasn’t playing left back!
Okay, he played on the wing for the entire game, except the periods he moved up front (like 5 minute periods) and the point he swapped sides with Horgan. So you're right, he was on the wing all the time except the large times he wasn't. I don't really think it's surprising few people noticed this because he wasn't involved when he was anywhere else but it did happen, simple as. I don't know if you pay as much attention as me, couldn't see it as clearly from your seat or had a few bevvies but it was very clear to me that was what was happening, simple as.

Your example was utter nonsense and you know it was.

J-C

26-01-2020, 09:24 PM

LaMotta

26-01-2020, 09:25 PM

Scoring one on ones also is a horrendous metric of judging if someone can play striker or not. Little bit more to it. You use logic like that and you wonder why I disagree...

He didn't play on the wing for the entire game.

It's nothing to do with me arguing. You keep replying, I keep replying. I just manage to keep it on topic because I'm not an emotional child.

Being profilic at getting in goalscoring positions and then actually scoring them isnt a metric that should be used in judging how effective a striker is? :nanawave:

LaMotta

26-01-2020, 09:26 PM

B.H.F.C

26-01-2020, 09:27 PM

Okay, he played on the wing for the entire game, except the periods he moved up front (like 5 minute periods) and the point he swapped sides with Horgan. So you're right, he was on the wing all the time except the large times he wasn't. I don't really think it's surprising few people noticed this because he wasn't involved when he was anywhere else but it did happen, simple as. I don't know if you pay as much attention as me, couldn't see it as clearly from your seat or had a few bevvies but it was very clear to me that was what was happening, simple as.

Your example was utter nonsense and you know it was.

Ah nonsense because it contradicts you. You’re right about him swapping sides.... to the other wing.

I’m glad all was so clear you you. So clear, nobody else saw it that way.

MWHIBBIES

27-01-2020, 04:26 AM

Being profilic at getting in goalscoring positions and then actually scoring them isnt a metric that should be used in judging how effective a striker is? :nanawave:

So if a central defender is a good finisher (Koeman/Hierro) he's a good striker then? That's why it's daft. Because there is a little more to playing upfront. If Boyle spend the whole game 1v1 on the goalie I doubt I'd be moaning.

MWHIBBIES

27-01-2020, 04:28 AM

Ah nonsense because it contradicts you. You’re right about him swapping sides.... to the other wing.

I’m glad all was so clear you you. So clear, nobody else saw it that way.

Yes nonsense, not because it contradicts me because it doesn't in the slightest. Boyle was changing positions for long periods, Lewis is chasing a lose ball in your terrific example :faf:

MWHIBBIES

27-01-2020, 04:31 AM

Attackers roam across the pitch, Kamberi, Doidge and Boyle can be left, right or through the middle, the quicker we stop calling them wingers and strikers and call them attackers, that'll save all this bloody bickering.

Exactly, they do. Boyle did for long periods and wasn't really involved when he roamed to the centre. I've been making this point for 36 hours and it hasn't stopped bickering.

Since90+2

27-01-2020, 05:27 AM

Some protracted guff available on this thread.

Correct.

JimBHibees

27-01-2020, 06:05 AM

In those highlights, Horgan wants shooting for not playing in Boyle in the build-up to Kamberi hitting the post. Was about 5 on 2.

Was also a couple of other times we butchered good counter opportunities with taking wrong option or giving the ball away.

B.H.F.C

27-01-2020, 07:02 AM

Exactly, they do. Boyle did for long periods and wasn't really involved when he roamed to the centre. I've been making this point for 36 hours and it hasn't stopped bickering.

You haven’t been making that point though. Initially you were insinuating that he was playing up front. He wasn’t, it doesn’t mean he didn’t end up in that area of the pitch from time to time and nobody has ever said he didn’t.

Of course you’ll fail to accept you were wrong, have digs about people talking nonsense and being dafties, ask if they’ve been on the bevy etc rather than just accept your initial point was incorrect. And to top it off, you even threatened to report someone. Laughable.

LaMotta

27-01-2020, 07:05 AM

broondog

27-01-2020, 09:56 AM

Close thread please.some of the nonsense on here about Boyle is really embarrassing

MWHIBBIES

27-01-2020, 06:21 PM

You haven’t been making that point though. Initially you were insinuating that he was playing up front. He wasn’t, it doesn’t mean he didn’t end up in that area of the pitch from time to time and nobody has ever said he didn’t.

Of course you’ll fail to accept you were wrong, have digs about people talking nonsense and being dafties, ask if they’ve been on the bevy etc rather than just accept your initial point was incorrect. And to top it off, you even threatened to report someone. Laughable.

Why would I accept I'm wrong when I'm not actually wrong. You incorrectly interpreting my point doesn't make me wrong.

I will report anyone who takes things off topic and targets me directly with personal comments. Those are the rules of the site. I'm pretty sick of people not being able to talk football and instead taking shots at me. Have a quick look back through the thead and you'll find I definitely didn't start the personal stuff.