New Manager

[Bob Box Fish]

Feedback from two Sunderland season ticket holders that I worked with on Ross- too many draws, doesn’t know his best starting 11, poor tactics and wasted his budget. Said he comes across as a nice guy. Sounds familiar....


These guys travel home and away to games.

[Crab apple]

John Kennedy to be added to 5 man shortlist according to Sunday Times.

[Ozyhibby]

Yes did he no come through the coaching ranks at Barca? Barcelona B manager before the first team suggests he's a brilliant coach and manager.

Both those teams have bucket loads of cash for the levels they play at. Pep has never not had one of the top two budgets in the league.


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[J-C]

John Kennedy to be added to 5 man shortlist according to Sunday Times.

Now that would be a signing that would get me interested, has done very well at Celtic and maybe feels it's time to take a step up to being no.1

[McKenzie]

Both those teams have bucket loads of cash for the levels they play at. Pep has never not had one of the top two budgets in the league.


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What about the development of players that were already at the clubs he has went to? The best managers will obviously get the best jobs, that goes without saying. Couple that with the outstanding football that he creates on the pitch, he is undoubtedly the best there is just now.

[Nicho87]

Harry Kewell I hope is not a serious contender. I want a manager with at least some experience of the Scottish game. Dempster needs to have learnt her lesson from the last appointment.

[04Sauzee]

John Kennedy to be added to 5 man shortlist according to Sunday Times.

He's served a pretty long apprenticeship at Celtic, highly thought of i believe. I'd definitely listen to what he has to say.

[GloryGlory]

Sunday Times has a story that we are seeking permission from Celtic to speak to John Kennedy. One of five on the shortlist, apparently - Kennedy, Jack Ross, Stephen Robinson, Nathan Jones plus one other.

[Greenworld]

Jack Ross odds dropped to 10/11, with Kewell odds being slashed to 11/10 on skybet.

Can’t understand the appeal of Kewell personally. On paper it looks like a step backwards from hecky. Pretty worrying stuff. Hopefully bookies are just jumping the gunJr 4/11 with paddy power

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[Gmack7]

John Kennedy to be added to 5 man shortlist according to Sunday Times.

I wouldnt be against that to be honest. knows our game very well but he would need an experienced coach as part of his team IMO. any suggestions?

[Crab apple]

I wouldnt be against that to be honest. knows our game very well but he would need an experienced coach as part of his team IMO. any suggestions?

I think you’re right. He gets on well with John Collins apparently but not sure JC fits the bill.

[Crab apple]

Now that would be a signing that would get me interested, has done very well at Celtic and maybe feels it's time to take a step up to being no.1

Douglas Alexander was the first to reveal Appleton was our first choice last time round so I think his info is pretty much spot on.

[Fergos]

Sunday Times has a story that we are seeking permission from Celtic to speak to John Kennedy. One of five on the shortlist, apparently - Kennedy, Jack Ross, Stephen Robinson, Nathan Jones plus one other.

Wonder if he will seek some advice from NL.....

GGTTH

[hibbyfraelibby]

How do you know this and how do you know there's a shortlist of 4?
She doesn't

[Gmack7]

Wonder if he will seek some advice from NL.....

GGTTH

His first question should be can i have LG Please

[Greenworld]

She doesn'tShe did and it's now 5 according to the Times

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[Fergos]

His first question should be can i have LG Please

Good shout!

GGTTH

[Scorrie]

John Kennedy to be added to 5 man shortlist according to Sunday Times.

That is very interesting. That could be a really good appointment. Out of all the names banded about that is the most exciting and different

[Greenworld]

Sunday Times has a story that we are seeking permission from Celtic to speak to John Kennedy. One of five on the shortlist, apparently - Kennedy, Jack Ross, Stephen Robinson, Nathan Jones plus one other.Can you post the article?

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[yerauldda]

Sunday Times has a story that we are seeking permission from Celtic to speak to John Kennedy. One of five on the shortlist, apparently - Kennedy, Jack Ross, Stephen Robinson, Nathan Jones plus one other.

That’s a strong shortlist, if true.

[Yuillsy]

John Kennedy to be added to 5 man shortlist according to Sunday Times.There was an excellent interview with him on Sportsound a few months ago. He said he was enjoying working with Neil Lennon and had learned a lot from the different coaches he'd worked alongside.
Maybe he feels the time is right to go it alone?


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[Since452]

Think I'd rather have Ross than Kennedy. If Ross does well he's more likely to stay put like McInness at Aberdeen. If Kennedy were to do well he'd be down south in a flash. I think we need a bit of stability instead of a change every couple of years.

[B.H.F.C]

Think I'd rather have Ross than Kennedy. If Ross does well he's more likely to stay put like McInness at Aberdeen. If Kennedy were to do well he'd be down south in a flash. I think we need a bit of stability instead of a change every couple of years.

If we have a manager who does well, the likelihood is they won’t stay put.

I don’t think I’d be factoring any of that in to a decision. We just need to get someone who can do well in the first place.

[lucky]

I’ve said elsewhere with regards to ex old firm players, if Kennedy did well at Hibs he would constantly tagged with being the next Celtic manager. He’d be using Hibs as his apprenticeship. Ross on the other hand has done well at two smaller Scottish clubs failed to get Sunderland promoted. He already knows that grass is not always greener and might be the type of guy to bring stability to Hibs for a few years. Only question mark is the reason he left Hearts.

[FilipinoHibs]

Is Ross being announced on Monday? Seen it mentioned by a few posters

[bigwheel]

I’ve said elsewhere with regards to ex old firm players, if Kennedy did well at Hibs he would constantly tagged with being the next Celtic manager. He’d be using Hibs as his apprenticeship. Ross on the other hand has done well at two smaller Scottish clubs failed to get Sunderland promoted. He already knows that grass is not always greener and might be the type of guy to bring stability to Hibs for a few years. Only question mark is the reason he left Hearts.

Tbh. Any manager, ex old firm or not, doing well with us will be linked to bigger jobs - including the old firm...it’s a headache I’d live with - would love to have that speculation...

[B.H.F.C]

Tbh. Any manager, ex old firm or not, doing well with us will be linked to bigger jobs - including the old firm...it’s a headache I’d live with - would love to have that speculation...

Spot on. It would actually be a good position to be in because it would mean we’d been doing well for a sustained period of time.

[makaveli1875]

Is Ross being announced on Monday? Seen it mentioned by a few posters

No

[Greenworld]

Is Ross being announced on Monday? Seen it mentioned by a few postersThe hope is before Friday I doubt tomorrow.
The john kennedy thing if true might change things.
Can't see hibs even getting permission to speak to him with Celtic doing so well just now, he didn't want to leave to go to Leicester with BR so I doubt he will want to leave now .


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[Stuart93]

That’s a strong shortlist, if true.

Thought that myself

[Stuart93]

I’ve said elsewhere with regards to ex old firm players, if Kennedy did well at Hibs he would constantly tagged with being the next Celtic manager. He’d be using Hibs as his apprenticeship. Ross on the other hand has done well at two smaller Scottish clubs failed to get Sunderland promoted. He already knows that grass is not always greener and might be the type of guy to bring stability to Hibs for a few years. Only question mark is the reason he left Hearts.

Not fussed if he uses hibs as his apprenticeship if he gives us 3 or 4 brilliant seasons then why not?

Players do the same. Managers rarely last much longer at us.

[Scorrie]

Not fussed if he uses hibs as his apprenticeship if he gives us 3 or 4 brilliant seasons then why not?

Players do the same. Managers rarely last much longer at us.

Agree. If our managers do well they leave for a bigger club. If they’re crap they leave as they get punted. I’d definitely want the former...

[Eyrie]

An ex-Celtc centre half getting his first job as manager at Hibs? Could lightning strike for the third time in a row?

[Since452]

I’ve said elsewhere with regards to ex old firm players, if Kennedy did well at Hibs he would constantly tagged with being the next Celtic manager. He’d be using Hibs as his apprenticeship. Ross on the other hand has done well at two smaller Scottish clubs failed to get Sunderland promoted. He already knows that grass is not always greener and might be the type of guy to bring stability to Hibs for a few years. Only question mark is the reason he left Hearts.

Thats exactly where im at

[Since452]

If Ross is in for his 2nd/3rd interview this week as other posters have said looks like it's pretty much done

[madhatter]

All this talk of open to new things and then clearly doing same thing. Scottish, English, Irish or Celtic connections. Sad stuff tbh. Let me guess the open to international probably meant Larsson...

Hope the suggested shortlist is wrong.

[Just_Jimmy]

There was an excellent interview with him on Sportsound a few months ago. He said he was enjoying working with Neil Lennon and had learned a lot from the different coaches he'd worked alongside.
Maybe he feels the time is right to go it alone?


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[GloryGlory]

Can you post the article?

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Sorry - it's in the paper edition.

[FilipinoHibs]

No

Slavers then. Why do people post these rumours?

[Greenworld]

Sorry - it's in the paper edition.Take a picture and post [emoji23][emoji23]🖒

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[GloryGlory]

Take a picture and post [emoji23][emoji23]🖒

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Don't have a smartphone, scanner or even the skill and knowledge to do that! :na na: :greengrin

[The 90+2]

Take a picture and post [emoji23][emoji23]🖒

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[CapitalGreen]

All this talk of open to new things and then clearly doing same thing. Scottish, English, Irish or Celtic connections. Sad stuff tbh. Let me guess the open to international probably meant Larsson...

Hope the suggested shortlist is wrong.

Have any non-Scots, English or Irish applied that you would include on a 5 man shortlist?

[Brightside]

John Kennedy won’t leave Celtic. He has a job for life

[madhatter]

Have any non-Scots, English or Irish applied that you would include on a 5 man shortlist?

How would I know whose applied? Also, are we, by what you are asking, saying John Kennedy applied, because it sounds like he hasn’t/didn’t.

Funny how a Scottish, English, Irish or Celtic connection guy can be head hunted but foreign coach has to apply to even be considered.

[CapitalGreen]

How would I know whose applied? Also, are we, by what you are asking, saying John Kennedy applied, because it sounds like he hasn’t/didn’t.

Funny how a Scottish, English, Irish or Celtic connection guy can be head hunted but foreign coach has to apply to even be considered.

So you’re moaning about the make up of the supposed shortlist but you no idea who actually applied or who has been approached, got you 👍

[madhatter]

So you’re moaning about the make up of the supposed shortlist but you no idea who actually applied or who has been approached, got you 👍

Moaning? Hardly. I doubt I’ll be proven wrong. We’ll not get a foreign manager. I’ll be delighted if we try something different but doubt we will.

[Tobias Funke]

Moaning? Hardly. I doubt I’ll be proven wrong. We’ll not get a foreign manager. I’ll be delighted if we try something different but doubt we will.

Yes, moaning. You do a lot of it on here, you are highly skilled at at.

[J-C]

Yes, moaning. You do a lot of it on here, you are highly skilled at at.


I see the admins request to curb personal attacks and jibes is working then :confused:

[basehibby]

Moaning? Hardly. I doubt I’ll be proven wrong. We’ll not get a foreign manager. I’ll be delighted if we try something different but doubt we will.
What qualification is being "foreign"?!? Answer: it IS NOT a qualification but a potential handicap -
Unless said "foreigner" has played in Scotland he will have little idea of the style and capabilities necessary to succeed here. Our clubs do not have big budgets and do not have the pick of European and world leagues to recruit from. Similarly, we are unlikely to have the cream of world coaching throwing their cvs at us - so it makes sense on all sorts of levels that the majority of our shortlist should be comprised of coaching talent with experience of Scottish football.

[eastmainsmsh]

Henrik Larsson in running ?

[Billy Whizz]

Wonder if we’ll bring in a head coach on his own, and promote Grant Murray to Assistant Manager

[J-C]

What qualification is being "foreign"?!? Answer: it IS NOT a qualification but a potential handicap -
Unless said "foreigner" has played in Scotland he will have little idea of the style and capabilities necessary to succeed here. Our clubs do not have big budgets and do not have the pick of European and world leagues to recruit from. Similarly, we are unlikely to have the cream of world coaching throwing their cvs at us - so it makes sense on all sorts of levels that the majority of our shortlist should be comprised of coaching talent with experience of Scottish football.


Martin O'Neill, Brendan Rodgers, Steven Gerard, are they classed as foreigners or played in Scotland?

[basehibby]

I see the admins request to curb personal attacks and jibes is working then :confused:

Oh come on - dont be so precious. Critiquing someone's commentary can hardly be classified as a bloody personal attack

[Heisenberg]

Henrik Larsson in running ?

Hopefully not.

[J-C]

Oh come on - dont be so precious. Critiquing someone's commentary can hardly be classified as a bloody personal attack


It was posted to get a reaction from another poster, it's called trolling, which the admin stated in a big post the other day they wanted stopped.

[CapitalGreen]

Moaning? Hardly. I doubt I’ll be proven wrong. We’ll not get a foreign manager. I’ll be delighted if we try something different but doubt we will.

Is there a particular foreign manager you fancy for the job or is it just ANY foreign manager that you’d fancy regardless of their suitability?

[Iggy Pope]

It was posted to get a reaction from another poster, it's called trolling, which the admin stated in a big post the other day they wanted stopped.

Are all things not posted to get reaction?

[madhatter]

What qualification is being "foreign"?!? Answer: it IS NOT a qualification but a potential handicap -
Unless said "foreigner" has played in Scotland he will have little idea of the style and capabilities necessary to succeed here. Our clubs do not have big budgets and do not have the pick of European and world leagues to recruit from. Similarly, we are unlikely to have the cream of world coaching throwing their cvs at us - so it makes sense on all sorts of levels that the majority of our shortlist should be comprised of coaching talent with experience of Scottish football.

How many successful managers have we had in our time? I do concede some of our poor levels of achievement may be due to poor managerial selection but most of the managers in our history had knowledge of Scottish football. We have chronically underachieved so I’m not sure this argument for “knowledge of Scottish football” holds much value when referring to Hibs. It may in the future but as I said, our history is littered with underachieving with Scottish managers.

What qualification is “experience of Scottish football”? We want a certain style of play and Ross is alleged to play the Hecky way, Kennedy has zero experience being the manager...

I have no problem if the majority of the list are Scottish or have experience in Scottish football, my fear is the whole list is comprised with these types and there is no space for a coach from overseas.

[CapitalGreen]

It was posted to get a reaction from another poster, it's called trolling, which the admin stated in a big post the other day they wanted stopped.

I don’t think you fully understand what trolling means and if you suspect someone of trolling why not use the report function?

[Michael]

John Kennedy won’t leave Celtic. He has a job for life

Depends how ambitious he is. If he wants to be a manager he'll probably need to leave.

[madhatter]

Is there a particular foreign manager you fancy for the job or is it just ANY foreign manager that you’d fancy regardless of their suitability?

Let me turn this on it’s head, I want a few foreign coaches to be in the consideration, the feeling I’m getting here is, it seems most want to get ANY manager who is either Scottish or has experience of Scottish football regardless of their suitability.

I mean people want Maloney, people want Kennedy, people want Ross. What makes these candidates more suitable? Scottish roots? How is Maloney doing ok with Belgium national team? I mean did he play in Belgium or something? How does he know Belgium football?

Heckingbottom did not fail due to his lack of knowledge of Scottish football. His track record suggests he isn’t a very good manager.

[J-C]

Are all things not posted to get reaction?


Not if it was to get a negative reaction but hey ho back to the thread about the new manager...Kennedy would be a good shout, he's worked under some very good managers and will have picked up a lot of experience, depends if he's ready to leave Celtic and do things on his own, keep Kewell away please.

[SMAXXA]

John Kennedy won’t leave Celtic. He has a job for life

That approach will get him a managers job right enough, if he wants to be his own man chances are he has to leave at some point.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Ross seems to be the favourite. To be fair he doesnt seem to have enthused the punters at Sunderland, but that club has been a car crash for a few years now so perhaps his ultimate failure there isnt such a big deal .... having said that from posts on here he seems to be defensively minded. I dont know if that was the case at his other clubs, but definitely not for us if thats the case.

The Kennedy thing is interesting, from what I've read Celtic seem to think highly of him as a coach and the fact he didnt follow Rodgers to Leicester could be as simple as him being a home bird. He would still be a risk though, good coaches dont always make good managers ... I seem to recall Cathro being highly thought of as a coach :greengrin

Would give my left bollock for Alex Neil ... has got unfashionable PNE currently second in the championship and done a good job everywhere he has been ... if only.

[hibbyfraelibby]

She did and it's now 5 according to the Times

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She still doesn't...

[CapitalGreen]

Let me turn this on it’s head, I want a few foreign coaches to be in the consideration, the feeling I’m getting here is, it seems most want to get ANY manager who is either Scottish or has experience of Scottish football regardless of their suitability.


Earlier you said the following:


How would I know whose applied?

But you somehow know that no foreign managers have ever been in consideration?

[madhatter]

Earlier you said the following:



But you somehow know that no foreign managers have ever been in consideration?

I don’t. Past experience tells me that the chances that the shortlist isn’t completely dominated by Scottish, English and Irish managers is slim. Not sure what the point you are trying to make is? That I don’t know?

I’ve never claimed to be in the know. I’m not dealing in rumours, I’m having an opinion which I realise many people don’t like. Had two people on this thread say I was just “moaning” which is ironic given how this place has been for months. Some people get to have opinions and moans, some don’t.

[familyman]

Ross is still 1/5 across the board.
It is sad to see insults being hurled at Hibs supporters,IT MUST BE TAKEN AS READ we are one family and while we may disagree on this n that we must show respect.I have been insulted now and then saying have I ever watched a game..when I bought my first season ticket in early 70's and still hold one.
Hibs have failed sadly last time around with Heck and the summer signings were shall we say not too dynamic..but LD had to deal with Lennon and we know not what really went on ,and then had to dismiss her next appointment.She was able to deal with Terry Butcher so we need now to trust the Hibernian management to do the business this time around learning from the past .
The new owner Mr Invisible he is often referred to. may indeed need to be more visible before too long and his plan for the future needs put out there as soon as he can..but again we need to give him time to get his feet under the table.We cannot afford a mistake this time re new manager..Hibs spending over the summer did not seem at all impressive it must be said given the status of lost players from past season....again we can learn from that.
The players responded well yesterday and so we see the benefit of playing two up front and a stronger midfield from the start.
We need to keep that thirst for victory sustained now and not just a one off..
We can finish higher up this league with the correct manager one who understands what Hibs are about ...style of play community and family.
On a more basic level of improving match day experience..can I suggest hot water in the loos!!!!maybe Champions league thereafter!
:flag:

[bigwheel]

Starting to have reservations about Jack Ross....he had a budget 3 times bigger than his nearest rival with Sunderland..not only did he not take them up last year, he didn’t look like he had improved them much this season ...

I worry that he is not the quality that we need..

Think I’d rather go for Scott Gemmill , who the young players talk very highly of . That said, I don’t see him being an appointment that Hibs will consider

[eezyrider]

Starting to have reservations about Jack Ross....he had a budget 3 times bigger than his nearest rival with Sunderland..not only did he not take them up last year, he didn’t look like he had improved them much this season ...

I worry that he is not the quality that we need..

Think I’d rather go for Scott Gemmill , who the young players talk very highly of . That said, I don’t see him being an appointment that Hibs will consider

How much did he actually spend on transfer fees? Most of the players he signed appear to have been free transfers or loans.

EZ

[CapitalGreen]

How much did he actually spend on transfer fees? Most of the players he signed appear to have been free transfers or loans.

EZ

Budgets include wages not just transfer fees.

[Joe6-2]

I’ve said elsewhere with regards to ex old firm players, if Kennedy did well at Hibs he would constantly tagged with being the next Celtic manager. He’d be using Hibs as his apprenticeship. Ross on the other hand has done well at two smaller Scottish clubs failed to get Sunderland promoted. He already knows that grass is not always greener and might be the type of guy to bring stability to Hibs for a few years. Only question mark is the reason he left Hearts.

What happened at herts?

[Michael]

Starting to have reservations about Jack Ross....he had a budget 3 times bigger than his nearest rival with Sunderland..not only did he not take them up last year, he didn’t look like he had improved them much this season ...

I worry that he is not the quality that we need..

Think I’d rather go for Scott Gemmill , who the young players talk very highly of . That said, I don’t see him being an appointment that Hibs will consider

If they really had a budget 3 times the size of the next club then JR would have been sacked long before he actually was.

[at last 61]

What's wrong with your right one nae nookie

[Heisenberg]

Lennon says he doesn’t believe Kennedy will be leaving as he plays a key role at Celtc.

[eezyrider]

Budgets include wages not just transfer fees.


Yes but most of that budget had been spent on players that had already failed and were brought in before Jack Ross was appointed. To blame him for failing with a large budget I was really looking for where he himself had spent the budget badly and not improved them as is the claim on here. Not a dig, just a genuine question.

EZ

[talcy]

Starting to have reservations about Jack Ross....he had a budget 3 times bigger than his nearest rival with Sunderland..not only did he not take them up last year, he didn’t look like he had improved them much this season ...

I worry that he is not the quality that we need..

Think I’d rather go for Scott Gemmill , who the young players talk very highly of . That said, I don’t see him being an appointment that Hibs will consider

I don't know about the relative budgets, but I was at a coaching thing tonight where Jack Ross gave a talk and revealed he had to oversee a change in budget from £35M to £8M (if I'm remembering figures right). He also explained that with Sunderland changing ownership, there was huge changes in player recruitment. They initially only had one scout (yes, one) and the new Head of Recruitment has close ties to new owner and only likes dealing with agents he gets on with. They also sold his top striker at xmas, whilst he was hot property on 16/17 goals. Ross admitted to making several mistakes himself and having learnt a huge amount from the entire thing, which he's still reflecting on. Made it clear he picks system(s) based on players available as he's seen managers/coaches fail for trying to impose a systems at clubs regardless of squad (cited Nathan Jones at Stoke as an example). Came across as thoughtful and a decent man manager with the way he goes about things. Just initial impressions, but I think Hibs would be getting a real prospect who would thrive in a stable club with a clear structure as he has first hand experience of the exact opposite at a massive, underperforming, chaotic club. Just my humble opinion, for what it's worth.

[Heisenberg]

I don't know about the relative budgets, but I was at a coaching thing tonight where Jack Ross gave a talk and revealed he had to oversee a change in budget from £35M to £8M (if I'm remembering figures right). He also explained that with Sunderland changing ownership, there was huge changes in player recruitment. They initially only had one scout (yes, one) and the new Head of Recruitment has close ties to new owner and only likes dealing with agents he gets on with. They also sold his top striker at xmas, whilst he was hot property on 16/17 goals. Ross admitted to making several mistakes himself and having learnt a huge amount from the entire thing, which he's still reflecting on. Made it clear he picks system(s) based on players available as he's seen managers/coaches fail for trying to impose a systems at clubs regardless of squad (cited Nathan Jones at Stoke as an example). Came across as thoughtful and a decent man manager with the way he goes about things. Just initial impressions, but I think Hibs would be getting a real prospect who would thrive in a stable club with a clear structure as he has first hand experience of the exact opposite at a massive, underperforming, chaotic club. Just my humble opinion, for what it's worth.

Good insight. Also like Ross bringing up the failings of a manger he’s supposedly up against to get the Hibs job :greengrin

Noticed Levein was at that tonight too, hopefully he’s not made up with Ross and tried to sweet talk him.

[bingo70]

I don't know about the relative budgets, but I was at a coaching thing tonight where Jack Ross gave a talk and revealed he had to oversee a change in budget from £35M to £8M (if I'm remembering figures right). He also explained that with Sunderland changing ownership, there was huge changes in player recruitment. They initially only had one scout (yes, one) and the new Head of Recruitment has close ties to new owner and only likes dealing with agents he gets on with. They also sold his top striker at xmas, whilst he was hot property on 16/17 goals. Ross admitted to making several mistakes himself and having learnt a huge amount from the entire thing, which he's still reflecting on. Made it clear he picks system(s) based on players available as he's seen managers/coaches fail for trying to impose a systems at clubs regardless of squad (cited Nathan Jones at Stoke as an example). Came across as thoughtful and a decent man manager with the way he goes about things. Just initial impressions, but I think Hibs would be getting a real prospect who would thrive in a stable club with a clear structure as he has first hand experience of the exact opposite at a massive, underperforming, chaotic club. Just my humble opinion, for what it's worth.

As someone that’s less than excited at the prospect of Jack Ross, I think that’s quite interesting so thanks for sharing.

It does also go to show there’s only so much you can take from a managers CV, there’s context that needs applied to every job they’d done, good and bad.

[scooby]

I don't know about the relative budgets, but I was at a coaching thing tonight where Jack Ross gave a talk and revealed he had to oversee a change in budget from £35M to £8M (if I'm remembering figures right). He also explained that with Sunderland changing ownership, there was huge changes in player recruitment. They initially only had one scout (yes, one) and the new Head of Recruitment has close ties to new owner and only likes dealing with agents he gets on with. They also sold his top striker at xmas, whilst he was hot property on 16/17 goals. Ross admitted to making several mistakes himself and having learnt a huge amount from the entire thing, which he's still reflecting on. Made it clear he picks system(s) based on players available as he's seen managers/coaches fail for trying to impose a systems at clubs regardless of squad (cited Nathan Jones at Stoke as an example). Came across as thoughtful and a decent man manager with the way he goes about things. Just initial impressions, but I think Hibs would be getting a real prospect who would thrive in a stable club with a clear structure as he has first hand experience of the exact opposite at a massive, underperforming, chaotic club. Just my humble opinion, for what it's worth.

Thanks for sharing, provides a bit more insight on the parameters he was working within.

[SMAXXA]

I don't know about the relative budgets, but I was at a coaching thing tonight where Jack Ross gave a talk and revealed he had to oversee a change in budget from £35M to £8M (if I'm remembering figures right). He also explained that with Sunderland changing ownership, there was huge changes in player recruitment. They initially only had one scout (yes, one) and the new Head of Recruitment has close ties to new owner and only likes dealing with agents he gets on with. They also sold his top striker at xmas, whilst he was hot property on 16/17 goals. Ross admitted to making several mistakes himself and having learnt a huge amount from the entire thing, which he's still reflecting on. Made it clear he picks system(s) based on players available as he's seen managers/coaches fail for trying to impose a systems at clubs regardless of squad (cited Nathan Jones at Stoke as an example). Came across as thoughtful and a decent man manager with the way he goes about things. Just initial impressions, but I think Hibs would be getting a real prospect who would thrive in a stable club with a clear structure as he has first hand experience of the exact opposite at a massive, underperforming, chaotic club. Just my humble opinion, for what it's worth.

Was the the CPD thing Craig Levein was at also? If so what was his chat?

[talcy]

Was the the CPD thing Craig Levein was at also? If so what was his chat?

It was. Levein gave a presentation on Hearts Scottish Cup Final preparations, showing how they broke down video
analysis of Celtic to game plan, turn that into training sessions & then play the game. Was interesting & very detailed, they did a good job to be honest. He was brave enough to take questions on any subject. Regrets his decision to go to Leicester, he didn't research it enough as he was trying to get away from a really bad situation at Hearts under Chris Robinson. Still very upset at certain players from his time in charge of Scotland, leaking stuff to agents/media and flat out lying about medical reasons for not playing. That's only one side of things obviously, but to be fair he's the one whose neck was on the chopping block and it must be infuriating for Old Firm primadonnas to treat being a Scotland player so contemptuously when other clubs players would jump at the chance just to play in a meaningless friendly. Pointed out managers got 3-4 years on average when he started out - now they get 13 months ON AVERAGE. That is mental, when you think about it.

[04Sauzee]

I don't know about the relative budgets, but I was at a coaching thing tonight where Jack Ross gave a talk and revealed he had to oversee a change in budget from £35M to £8M (if I'm remembering figures right). He also explained that with Sunderland changing ownership, there was huge changes in player recruitment. They initially only had one scout (yes, one) and the new Head of Recruitment has close ties to new owner and only likes dealing with agents he gets on with. They also sold his top striker at xmas, whilst he was hot property on 16/17 goals. Ross admitted to making several mistakes himself and having learnt a huge amount from the entire thing, which he's still reflecting on. Made it clear he picks system(s) based on players available as he's seen managers/coaches fail for trying to impose a systems at clubs regardless of squad (cited Nathan Jones at Stoke as an example). Came across as thoughtful and a decent man manager with the way he goes about things. Just initial impressions, but I think Hibs would be getting a real prospect who would thrive in a stable club with a clear structure as he has first hand experience of the exact opposite at a massive, underperforming, chaotic club. Just my humble opinion, for what it's worth.

Getting a dig in about Nathan Jones 😏🤔

[talcy]

Getting a dig in about Nathan Jones 😏🤔

Or subtly reminding Hibs of a very recent set of experiences they might not wish to repeat in a hurry? :wink:

[weecounty hibby]

It was. Levein gave a presentation on Hearts Scottish Cup Final preparations, showing how they broke down video
analysis of Celtic to game plan, turn that into training sessions & then play the game. Was interesting & very detailed, they did a good job to be honest. He was brave enough to take questions on any subject. Regrets his decision to go to Leicester, he didn't research it enough as he was trying to get away from a really bad situation at Hearts under Chris Robinson. Still very upset at certain players from his time in charge of Scotland, leaking stuff to agents/media and flat out lying about medical reasons for not playing. That's only one side of things obviously, but to be fair he's the one whose neck was on the chopping block and it must be infuriating for Old Firm primadonnas to treat being a Scotland player so contemptuously when other clubs players would jump at the chance just to play in a meaningless friendly. Pointed out managers got 3-4 years on average when he started out - now they get 13 months ON AVERAGE. That is mental, when you think about it.

So once again it sounds like everyone else's fault but Craigys again. He is a total loser and always has an excuse ready for failure. A man that I cannot stand and why he still keeps getting asked his opinion on things is a mystery.

[Hibbyradge]

Or subtly reminding Hibs of a very recent set of experiences they might not wish to repeat in a hurry? :wink:

Jones was awesome at Luton.

I'd gladly have some of that.

[scott_hfc1875]

Quite a good interview with jack Ross on the athletic If anyone has subscribed

[bigwheel]

I don't know about the relative budgets, but I was at a coaching thing tonight where Jack Ross gave a talk and revealed he had to oversee a change in budget from £35M to £8M (if I'm remembering figures right). He also explained that with Sunderland changing ownership, there was huge changes in player recruitment. They initially only had one scout (yes, one) and the new Head of Recruitment has close ties to new owner and only likes dealing with agents he gets on with. They also sold his top striker at xmas, whilst he was hot property on 16/17 goals. Ross admitted to making several mistakes himself and having learnt a huge amount from the entire thing, which he's still reflecting on. Made it clear he picks system(s) based on players available as he's seen managers/coaches fail for trying to impose a systems at clubs regardless of squad (cited Nathan Jones at Stoke as an example). Came across as thoughtful and a decent man manager with the way he goes about things. Just initial impressions, but I think Hibs would be getting a real prospect who would thrive in a stable club with a clear structure as he has first hand experience of the exact opposite at a massive, underperforming, chaotic club. Just my humble opinion, for what it's worth.

That’s good to hear...he seems to be favourite, so we may well, get him. The 3x figure came from someone senior in the game. They Felt that Ross should have done much better with his funding relative to all other clubs in the league...it made me think a little deeper about him.

Also said that their new manager , Parkinson is a front to back style coach..and that both McNulty and McGeough will likely get even less of a role than with Ross. Felt at least one of those would be a target if Ross gets the gig.


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[Cardinal G]

That’s good to hear...he seems to be favourite, so we may well, get him. The 3x figure came from someone senior in the game. They Felt that Ross should have done much better with his funding relative to all other clubs in the league...it made me think a little deeper about him.

Also said that their new manager , Parkinson is a front to back style coach..and that both McNulty and McGeough will likely get even less of a role than with Ross. Felt at least one of those would be a target if Ross gets the gig.


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McGeough is getting no game time under Parkinson, five games on bench. Only game was against Leicester u21s on tuesday, not his finest hour, can't see him being at Sunderland beyond summer, may even be gone by January.

[talcy]

Jones was awesome at Luton.

I'd gladly have some of that.

Which Ross highlighted and praised, just to be clear. The question being discussed was whether imposing the system that worked at club A on new job at club B was a good idea - irrespective of squad make up in club B. In his opinion, and Ross made it clear it was just an opinion, that is not a good idea when you simply must get results at first team level and so he feels the best way to do that is setup to maximise the talent at your disposal. I am summarising almost 6 hours of discussions in a few sentences here, so don't want anyone to read into this that Levein was chucking people under the bus or Ross putting down job rivals. That is not fair to them or the nature of the forum.

[Ozyhibby]

Just spoke to an ex-pro who was on today’s course and he says the chat was that Jack Ross would be our new manager. Also said he gave the best presentation but there were things Billy Stark and Levien said that were worth a listen as well.
Says the amount of detail Ross puts in to his match prep is very impressive.


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[talcy]

Just spoke to an ex-pro who was on today’s course and he says the chat was that Jack Ross would be our new manager. Also said he gave the best presentation but there were things Billy Stark and Levien said that we’re worth a listen as well.
Says the amount of detail Ross puts in to his match prep is very impressive.


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Agree 100%. :aok:

[Hibeesmad]

Interesting to hear some insight to this presentation so thanks for sharing. Word on the street pretty much seems to be Ross will be in by the end of the international break. I think and hope he will do well here. Regarding the Head of Recruitment comment, he brought in McGeough, Ozturk, Morgan, Dunne, Loovens, McNulty and McLaughlin all who have Scottish Premiership experience, surely they were Ross's recommendations/signings?

[GreenCastle]

Regarding Dylan - would love him back but if Ross didn’t play him at Sunderland then surely Dylan wouldn’t be keen to be back under his management or ?

Thanks for the comments about the SFA event - was it a well attended event ?

Did Ross answer any questions ? Thought he didn’t get on with Levein?

[FitbaFolkKen]

Quite a good interview with jack Ross on the athletic If anyone has subscribed

Yeah it’s a good read, I thought this part interesting regarding the Sunderland situation behind the scenes.


Ross was their 11th manager since 2009. He was not a famous name like David Moyes, Sam Allardyce or Dick Advocaat, but he was young and hungry and he was on the up; he wanted to be there. What he found was a club powered by a ferocious yearning and negative momentum, with no CEO to bounce ideas off or to take the strain and only a single scout beyond Tony Coton, the head of recruitment.

“Like anything, you go into a football club and you don’t really know how it works until you’re there,” Ross says. “I can do a lot myself. When I was managing Alloa (Athletic), I used to open the stadium. We were part-time and I had keys for the ground so I’d go over during the day and just made it as good as it can be, but at a club of Sunderland’s size, do you need support? Yeah, I think you do. Do you need people around the city? Possibly, but in terms of being that focal point within the training ground, it was me.

“The first conversation I had with Stewart, he showed me the squad and said ‘They’ll all be gone, it’ll be a clean slate’. Maybe they didn’t think they’d want to play in League One … but that first pre-season was anything but a complete rebuild. It was just bonkers.”

On his first day on the training pitch, Ross had only 10 senior players to work with, but the presence of high-earners such as Lee Cattermole, Aiden McGeady and Bryan Oviedo meant room for manoeuvre was limited. He was never given a budget, so he never knew how much there was to spend. Didier Ndong and Papy Djilobodji were sacked for going AWOL. “There were a couple of occasions where I thought ‘I don’t know if it’s possible,” he said last season.

“The structure of the club was never where I wanted it to be, although that’s not to say I’m right,” he says now. “Ultimately, there are a lot of people who have outlasted me. But it was a great experience in terms of what do you need above and below you to make it work. I think I showed very little in terms of not being happy; it was important I did that, because people looked to me to set the tone.”

Everybody raised their levels against them, but Sunderland spent most of last season in the top three, usually with games in hand. There were a few sliding-doors moments. In January, they sold Josh Maja, who had scored 15 league goals, to Bordeaux; by May, he was still their top scorer. There was their run to the final of the EFL Trophy, adding eight fixtures to their schedule and then robbing them of impetus when Portsmouth won on penalties.

“That’s not why we ended up losing the play-off final, but it meant there were a lot of games at the end of the season and we weren’t great, which ultimately cost us,” Ross says. “With Josh, it’s easy to say in hindsight, but I believe he would have scored the same amount of goals in the second half of the season, because why wouldn’t he? I never, ever wanted him to leave the club.”

Then there was the recording of the second season of Netflix series Sunderland ‘Til I Die. “I’m consistent,” Ross says. “I didn’t want it because it felt like another distraction. If cameras are omnipresent, it’s impossible not to be aware of them. The guys behind it were great, but it was another thing to think about. They were trying to make a gripping television programme, I’m trying to be a successful manager.”

Defeat at Wembley for a second time in two months – 2-1 to a last-minute goal – added to the drama, but it deflated everything. For 24 hours afterwards, Ross considered things. “I wrestle with myself about what I could have done differently,” he says. “The play-off final will forever cripple me in that respect. It was a relentless and hard season and losing in that manner was so tough. I reflected on it, not from the perspective of whether I could do it again, but more that I hadn’t done what I set out to do. And then it was back to work.”


Ross consoles Oviedo after the play-off final (Photo: Charlie Crowhurst/Getty Images)
This summer brought another wave of uncertainty. Mark Campbell was linked with a takeover and The Athletic understands it reached the point where, with Donald’s consent, the US-based businessman was in daily contact with Ross about new signings. His associates were ensconced at the training ground. And then… nothing. They disappeared. Ross refuses to confirm this or to comment on it, either, but does admit, “I had no idea who was going to own the club.”




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[Eyrie]

Interesting to hear that Ross believes in adapting his tactics to suit the squad available. I had some concerns about how we would play based on reports about his Sunderland team, but hopefully he'll learn from what didn't work under Heckingbottom and consider how to ensure yesterday's improvement wasn't a one-off.

[bigwheel]

let’s be honest, Our last manager spoke well - would likely come over very interesting at a coaching conference - the reality was different.

Ross did nothing with Sunderland this season to suggest he was learning from last . I think there will be better candidates out there..

[SMAXXA]

let’s be honest, Our last manager spoke well - would likely come over very interesting at a coaching conference - the reality was different.

Ross did nothing with Sunderland this season to suggest he was learning from last . I think there will be better candidates out there..

That’s where I’m at aswell

[talcy]

Regarding Dylan - would love him back but if Ross didn’t play him at Sunderland then surely Dylan wouldn’t be keen to be back under his management or ?

Thanks for the comments about the SFA event - was it a well attended event ?

Did Ross answer any questions ? Thought he didn’t get on with Levein?

Attendance seemed good. Levein was first talker & left after his bit. Ross was last on & took questions at the same time as Billy Stark at the very end.

[jakeds]

McGeough is getting no game time under Parkinson, five games on bench. Only game was against Leicester u21s on tuesday, not his finest hour, can't see him being at Sunderland beyond summer, may even be gone by January.

In Edinburgh tonight according to his Instagram...

[FilipinoHibs]

Just spoke to an ex-pro who was on today’s course and he says the chat was that Jack Ross would be our new manager. Also said he gave the best presentation but there were things Billy Stark and Levien said that were worth a listen as well.
Says the amount of detail Ross puts in to his match prep is very impressive.


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Was that not part of PH's problem - too much detail for the players.

[Hibbyradge]

Which Ross highlighted and praised, just to be clear. The question being discussed was whether imposing the system that worked at club A on new job at club B was a good idea - irrespective of squad make up in club B. In his opinion, and Ross made it clear it was just an opinion, that is not a good idea when you simply must get results at first team level and so he feels the best way to do that is setup to maximise the talent at your disposal. I am summarising almost 6 hours of discussions in a few sentences here, so don't want anyone to read into this that Levein was chucking people under the bus or Ross putting down job rivals. That is not fair to them or the nature of the forum.

Thanks for that. If Jones has learned from his mistake at Stoke, and waits till he has brought in the right players to compliment his systems, I'd give him the job in a flash.

I won't be too disappointed if it's given to Ross, though.

[Ozyhibby]

Was that not part of PH's problem - too much detail for the players.

Depends how much of that you give to the players.


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[WhileTheChief..]

let’s be honest, Our last manager spoke well.

You think?

I thought he was awful. He just waffled on without saying anything.

I never learnt a thing listening to him and found him boring as hell.

[talcy]

Interesting to hear some insight to this presentation so thanks for sharing. Word on the street pretty much seems to be Ross will be in by the end of the international break. I think and hope he will do well here. Regarding the Head of Recruitment comment, he brought in McGeough, Ozturk, Morgan, Dunne, Loovens, McNulty and McLaughlin all who have Scottish Premiership experience, surely they were Ross's recommendations/signings?

I'm guessing here, but I think that was kind of his point. In the absence of a clear direction/policy, backed up with scouting and so on, they had to make quick decisions based on highlight reels and cheapness. Initially you might go "I've got free reign", but the reality is the club were slashing overheads and taking a big gamble on players being a good fit for the club/league. Not the way you would expect it to be, coming into a club the size of Sunderland in a league you don't know well - you would expect there to be some kind of structure in place to assist and guide key decision making like that. I have no inside scoop or anything, but I can appreciate he took on a truly massive job at a club going through huge turmoil. His approach and methods seem thorough and valid, so there's every chance they would work in a different environment. Should Hibs appoint him, I could understand why they think he'd be a good fit. Likewise, having had the experience he has just had, I suspect he would find Hibs a good fit. If they don't appoint him, presumably that's because they'll have found someone they consider an even better option. Like all things, there's no guarantees and time will tell I guess. :aok:

[WhileTheChief..]

Depends how much of that you give to the players.


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I remember in one of PHs first interviews he talked about wanting to get lots of information over to the players but would only give it in small doses so as not to confuse them.

It’s a pretty simple game. What were the players going to learn from him that they haven’t heard before I wonder? Some sports science guff maybe?!

[Hibbyradge]

I remember in one of PHs first interviews he talked about wanting to get lots of information over to the players but would only give it in small doses so as not to confuse them.

It’s a pretty simple game. What were the players going to learn from him that they haven’t heard before I wonder? Some sports science guff maybe?!

Your last couple of posts echo my sentiments.

The only thing I heard him say about how he wanted his team to play was "high press, high energy" but we got the opposite.

There were no other snippets of what he was trying to achieve tactically, but lots of blaming of players for individual mistakes etc.

His stuff about drip feeding information annoyed me from the outset. It sounded arrogant. Did/does he think that because he managed Leeds for 30 minutes that he knows more about football than Stubbs and Lennon?

[Steve Austin]

Left field here but Pieter huistra ex rangers winger ,as I remember a skill full player in his day,Dutch coach/manager was seemingly interesting the board last time around ?,could he be on our list.:wink:.

[bigwheel]

You think?

I thought he was awful. He just waffled on without saying anything.

I never learnt a thing listening to him and found him boring as hell.

Yes. You’ve been consistent about that view ...most who heard him speak in person shared how impressive he was

He’s gone now - you can relax

[Auckland Hibs]

Thanks for the info on the seminar guys, really interesting to hear about it.

[Not In The Know]

It was. Levein gave a presentation on Hearts Scottish Cup Final preparations, showing how they broke down video
analysis of Celtic to game plan, turn that into training sessions & then play the game. Was interesting & very detailed, they did a good job to be honest. He was brave enough to take questions on any subject. Regrets his decision to go to Leicester, he didn't research it enough as he was trying to get away from a really bad situation at Hearts under Chris Robinson. Still very upset at certain players from his time in charge of Scotland, leaking stuff to agents/media and flat out lying about medical reasons for not playing. That's only one side of things obviously, but to be fair he's the one whose neck was on the chopping block and it must be infuriating for Old Firm primadonnas to treat being a Scotland player so contemptuously when other clubs players would jump at the chance just to play in a meaningless friendly. Pointed out managers got 3-4 years on average when he started out - now they get 13 months ON AVERAGE. That is mental, when you think about it.

Avril did a masterclass on a game he lost. Mega lols 😂

[Since452]

Avril did a masterclass on a game he lost. Mega lols 😂

Yes that's true but the masterclass ensured a solo clapper appeared on the plaza. Proud.

[Hibeesmad]

Avril did a masterclass on a game he lost. Mega lols 😂

Should have done a presenation on something he has won.

[Wilson]

Should have done a presenation on something he has won.

With the best will and preparation in the world you don't always win. He chose a high profile game against probably the most difficult opponent they would face in a season. I'm sure it was a good example of their processes.

If he picked a game where everything went right and they won comfortably he'd be getting grief for painting himself as some kind of super coach.

[Greenworld]

McGeough is getting no game time under Parkinson, five games on bench. Only game was against Leicester u21s on tuesday, not his finest hour, can't see him being at Sunderland beyond summer, may even be gone by January.Dylan for me is exactly what we need can control the game well from the back .
The good news is his contract finishes this summer so can sign for someone this window and maybe go out on loan if not fancied.
I suppose it depends on his relationship with JR but it would be a good move for Dylan at this time I think



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[chrisski33]

Jack Ross is the new manager of Hibs. Will be announced tomorrow or possibly Monday.

So what's happened with your exclusive scoop???

[Northernhibee]

Avril did a masterclass on a game he lost. Mega lols 😂


TBF that is as fitting a legacy for Levein's career as anything else :greengrin

"Aye, so this is how I screwed up this opportunity, should have left that chicken in the oven for another fifteen minutes back in eighty-six. By the end was just pushing rusty water through the eye of a needle. Anyway, the Scottish Cup Final that year, I had a totally different plan to screw that one up. By the way did I mention that I hate the Hibs?"

[SouthMoroccoStu]

TBF that is as fitting a legacy for Levein's career as anything else :greengrin

"Aye, so this is how I screwed up this opportunity, should have left that chicken in the oven for another fifteen minutes back in eighty-six. By the end was just pushing rusty water through the eye of a needle. Anyway, the Scottish Cup Final that year, I had a totally different plan to screw that one up. By the way did I mention that I hate the Hibs?"

I don't think you're meant to record these seminars without permission Northernhibee

[Golden Bear]

So what's happened with your exclusive scoop???

"Possibly Monday" - still time .

[Since452]

"Possibly Monday" - still time .

He's in for his 6th interview this week. Only a matter of time 😉

[Hector Mudflap]

He's in for his 6th interview this week. Only a matter of time 😉

Failed at Sunderland with a massive budget (compared with his opponents) playing boring football (by many accounts). Why are there so many people desperately wanting him? I just don't get it.

St Mirren have for years had a good youth policy so was it not just he got lucky with who was coming through at the time?

[Since452]

Failed at Sunderland with a massive budget (compared with his opponents) playing boring football (by many accounts). Why are there so many people desperately wanting him? I just don't get it.

St Mirren have for years had a good youth policy so was it not just he got lucky with who was coming through at the time?

I tend to agree. In saying all that, managing a massive club like Sunderland will have only done him good i reckon. Like others have said, if it was the Jack Ross who left St Mirren I'd have been all for it. It has shades of McInness at Bristol City. I'm sitting somewhere in the middle.

[Stuart93]

Failed at Sunderland with a massive budget (compared with his opponents) playing boring football (by many accounts). Why are there so many people desperately wanting him? I just don't get it.

St Mirren have for years had a good youth policy so was it not just he got lucky with who was coming through at the time?

So he done a good job at st mirren because he got lucky but he’s a ***** manager because of a poor job at a tough gig at Sunderland? Hmm

[Heisenberg]

Failed at Sunderland with a massive budget (compared with his opponents) playing boring football (by many accounts). Why are there so many people desperately wanting him? I just don't get it.

St Mirren have for years had a good youth policy so was it not just he got lucky with who was coming through at the time?

St Mirren got relegated with a midfield of McGinn, McLean and Mallan. Morgan also featured too. The manager didn’t “get lucky” then.

Jack Ross did a magnificent job at St Mirren IMO. Same with Alloa.

[SMAXXA]

St Mirren got relegated with a midfield of McGinn, McLean and Mallan. Morgan also featured too. The manager didn’t “get lucky” then.

Jack Ross did a magnificent job at St Mirren IMO. Same with Alloa.

Those are very small clubs with little expectation or ambition Hibs is a different animal altogether as was Sunderland a massive club. As has been said find it surprising so many want to install him when there are bound to be others out there interested who have better credentials (like Hecky) lol he had a better CV so counts for not much a guess

[Since90+2]

Those are very small clubs with little expectation or ambition Hibs is a different animal altogether as was Sunderland a massive club. As has been said find it surprising so many want to install him when there are bound to be others out there interested who have better credentials (like Hecky) lol he had a better CV so counts for not much a guess

Hibs are closer in size to St Mirren than we are to Sunderland.

[Speedway]

I wonder if our new manager is yet to appear on any of the short lists...

[Since452]

I wonder if our new manager is yet to appear on any of the short lists...

The shortlists don't excite me so i hope not!

[HFC93]

Failed at Sunderland with a massive budget (compared with his opponents) playing boring football (by many accounts). Why are there so many people desperately wanting him? I just don't get it.

St Mirren have for years had a good youth policy so was it not just he got lucky with who was coming through at the time?

He did an excellent job at St Mirren and I doubt many of their fans would agree with your assessment of his time in Paisley.

[chrisski33]

Still waiting for the announcement! Notice the op is hiding 🤔

[Heisenberg]

Neil Warnock is now available and has previously said he’d love to work at Hibs/Hearts

[blackpoolhibs]

Neil Warnock is available, and loves Scotland.

[Bostonhibby]

Neil Warnock is now available and has previously said he’d love to work at Hibs/HeartsHearts please.

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[FitbaFolkKen]

Neil Warnock just left Cardiff City.... he’s coming to
us to the end of the season!


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[elevengoats]

Hmm... Neil Warnock anyone? :D

[Lago]

Neil Warnock is now available and has previously said he’d love to work at Hibs/Hearts
Retirement beckons 👍

[Hibeesmad]

Steve Clarke gone from over 20-1 to 15/2 with Paddy Power, no idea where that has come from :confused:

[Speedway]

Steve Clarke gone from over 20-1 to 15/2 with Paddy Power, no idea where that has come from :confused:

Ron’s had a word with Rod.

[GloryGlory]

Steve Clarke gone from over 20-1 to 15/2 with Paddy Power, no idea where that has come from :confused:

A punter putting on a speculative bet?

[Vault Boy]

Alan Nixon thinks it'll be Ross, announcement could be 'sooner than expected.'

[FilipinoHibs]

So not announced on Monday. Utter slavering by some then.

[Vault Boy]

So not announced on Monday. Utter slavering by some then.

Some fans choose to share what they hear. Of course it's not always right.

[BILLYHIBS]

Alan Nixon thinks it'll be Ross, announcement could be 'sooner than expected.'

Great another defensive minded Head Coach after our weekend goal fest

:dunno:

[flash]

Great another defensive minded Head Coach after our weekend goal fest

:dunno:

His St Mirren team were great to watch.

[BILLYHIBS]

His St Mirren team were great to watch.

His Sunderland side not so

[Robbo6-2]

His Sunderland side not so

Out of curiosity how many times you see them play?

[The 90+2]

His Sunderland side not so

He tried what he could to get a team out the league and almost done so.

I don’t get the Jack Ross excuse for not wanting him.

[04Sauzee]

Great another defensive minded Head Coach after our weekend goal fest

:dunno:

His St Mirren team scored more goals when they won the championship than Hibs did the season they won it

[CapitalGreen]

His St Mirren team were great to watch.

Maybe so but unfortunately we won’t be playing Championship clubs every week under his management (hopefully not anyway!).

[jacomo]

I wonder if our new manager is yet to appear on any of the short lists...


Spill the beans then.

[The 90+2]

So not announced on Monday. Utter slavering by some then.

That’s unfair. People get a snippet and want to share with other fans on here, it’s not slavering it’s just over excited if anything.

[Stuart93]

Maybe so but unfortunately we won’t be playing Championship clubs every week under his management (hopefully not anyway!).

But his St.Mirren team were a championship team though? Don’t understand your argument here? Did you want his st.mirren team who were in the championship to play teams in the premiership?

[SHODAN]

Jack Ross the Hibees Guy


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[The 90+2]

Maybe so but unfortunately we won’t be playing Championship clubs every week under his management (hopefully not anyway!).

And we also don’t need to **** fest our way out of a league like At Sunderland. We’re in a fortunate position of having a half decent squad the likes of Jack Ross will come into and improve on our strengths.

He had 8 first team players to work with at Sunderland when he went in on a fraction of a budget the club has given any manager for 20 years, they suffered back to back relegations and he missed out taking them up in the playoff final. Sounds a bit familiar to Stubbsy but then again I never understood why people even now still consider him a failure.

Guy is due some slack.

[BILLYHIBS]

His St Mirren team scored more goals when they won the championship than Hibs did the season they won it

But they lost more

Goal difference 34 versus 27

Sorry it’s a no from me but not me that’s picking the Manager just don’t want to see us go down the same road to failure again

[The 90+2]

But they lost more

Goal difference 34 versus 27

Sorry it’s a no from me but not me that’s picking the Manager just don’t want to see us go down the same road to failure again

So that means he’s more attacking then surely?

[SHODAN]

Jack Ross will be a fantastic appointment for Hibernian Football Club.

[Seattle.Hibs]

Alan Nixon saying “Very strong chance Ross gets it”

[bingo70]

Great another defensive minded Head Coach after our weekend goal fest

:dunno:

I’ve got the same concerns as you Billy and he wouldn’t be my choice but if he is appointed there’s no point worrying about it.

Can’t be any worse than Heckingbottom, surely.

[The 90+2]

Jack Ross will be a fantastic appointment for Hibernian Football Club.

Correct. Bookmark it in five years when we are up the crop of the table consistently and he stays with us because he won’t want his fingers burnt again.

[Stuart93]

But they lost more

Goal difference 34 versus 27

Sorry it’s a no from me but not me that’s picking the Manager just don’t want to see us go down the same road to failure again

When we appointed PH I was urging for people to give the guy a chance so
I won’t go down that road again but bringing in JR excites me more than bringing PH in did.

His prior knowledge of scottish football and hibs will be a very big positive imo.

[04Sauzee]

But they lost more

Goal difference 34 versus 27

Sorry it’s a no from me but not me that’s picking the Manager just don’t want to see us go down the same road to failure again

Defensive minded scoring more goals and losing more goals.

I have no preference out of all the front runners btw. If its Ross he gets my full support

[thegaffer12]

IIRC Ross really wanted Kamberi before we signed him. Would that suggest he's likely to be a fan and utilise him in attack.

[CapitalGreen]

But his St.Mirren team were a championship team though? Don’t understand your argument here? Did you want his st.mirren team who were in the championship to play teams in the premiership?

I mean there is a long list of managers who have won the Championship prior to Ross who were found wanting in the top league.

Mark Warburton
Robbie Nielson
Paul Hartley
Alan Archibald
Derek Adams
Jim McIntyre
Terry Butcher

[The 90+2]

IIRC Ross really wanted Kamberi before we signed him. Would that suggest he's likely to be a fan and utilise him in attack.

Try and swap Dylan for Vela, James and Jackson.

[BILLYHIBS]

So that means he’s more attacking then surely?

Naw Lenny had too many draws dragged us over the line kicking and screaming we attacked all right every team just parked the bus

I remember he dropped Jase for not scoring enough

As others have said if its JR there is nothing we can do about it and of course he will get my full support

Like us with Hecky the Black Cats fans were glad to see him go

[The 90+2]

I mean there is a long list of managers who have won the Championship prior to Ross who were found wanting in the top league.

Mark Warburton
Robbie Nielson
Paul Hartley
Alan Archibald
Derek Adams
Jim McIntyre
Terry Butcher

What manager took over the job of manager with the club bottom of the table by miles, kept them up, then got promoted right away? He left Alloa top of the table in the Championship for St Mirren too.

[Stuart93]

I mean there is a long list of managers who have won the Championship prior to Ross who were found wanting in the top league.

Mark Warburton
Robbie Nielson
Paul Hartley
Alan Archibald
Derek Adams
Jim McIntyre
Terry Butcher

Aye but the majority of the teams that went up were favourite for relegation so they were always going to struggle. Terry Butcher was flying with Inverness & Neilson’s hearts team were also doing really well compared to where they’re at now

I’m not really understanding your point.

[The 90+2]

Naw Lenny had too many draws dragged us over the line kicking and screaming we attacked all right every team just parked the bus

I remember he dropped Jase for not scoring enough

As others have said if its JR there is nothing we can do about it and of course he will get my full support

Like us with Hecky the Black Cats fans were glad to see him go

If it’s Jack Ross I’ll be delighted.

With Sunderland he failed to get them up after back to back relegations in the last minute of the playoff final, with them also be careful of what you wish for.

St Mirren won the league more convincingly than we did under Lennon on a fraction of our budget, with far less talent and with a squad that wasn’t looking to push on having won the cup, with a squad that battled relegation to the league below before he took over.

[SHODAN]

I mean there is a long list of managers who have won the Championship prior to Ross who were found wanting in the top league.

Mark Warburton
Robbie Nielson
Paul Hartley
Alan Archibald
Derek Adams
Jim McIntyre
Terry Butcher

All of those managers with the exception of Warburton did exceptionally well with limited resources at their clubs for the majority of their time there. McIntyre won a cup!

[CapitalGreen]

All of those managers with the exception of Warburton did exceptionally well with limited resources at their clubs for the majority of their time there. McIntyre won a cup!

Maybe we should go for McIntyre then?

[CapitalGreen]

I’m not really understanding your point.

That’s a shame, not many people understood my point of view in February either when I said Heckingbottom was a dud.

However, for the record if Ross is appointed I will be a lot happier with his appointment than I was when Heckingbottom was announced.

[Frankhfc]

People were talking about Jack Ross being 1/5 money on favourite a few days ago. Skybet have him at 1/2 still short priced favourite but 1/5 made him a near certainty. Harry Kewell at 2/1.

Fwiw Warnock's 4/1 to be at hearts with the long haired one sitting at even money.

interesting times.

[Bostonhibby]

Get Harry Hill to organise a fight in ER car park between Warnock and Kewell.

A bit of entertainment for the press whilst the real candidates inside sorting terms out?

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[BILLYHIBS]

If it’s Jack Ross I’ll be delighted.

With Sunderland he failed to get them up after back to back relegations in the last minute of the playoff final, with them also be careful of what you wish for.

St Mirren won the league more convincingly than we did under Lennon on a fraction of our budget, with far less talent and with a squad that wasn’t looking to push on having won the cup, with a squad that battled relegation to the league below before he took over.

Difficult to argue with any of that tbh

50% win rate as a Manager

I just do not want a Scottish Hecky

If it is him I will come back on here in 12 months time and tell you “ I told you so. “ :greengrin

[JE89]

People were talking about Jack Ross being 1/5 money on favourite a few days ago. Skybet have him at 1/2 still short priced favourite but 1/5 made him a near certainty. Harry Kewell at 2/1.

Fwiw Warnock's 4/1 to be at hearts with the long haired one sitting at even money.

interesting times.

Was 4/5 on BetVictor a few hours ago and 8/11 on Skybet. Reckon people punting money on him tonight since Harry McArthur tweet. Now 1/2 on both as you’ve said.


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[madhatter]

More about Kennedy again.

[Hibeesmad]

The Sun running a story that Kennedy is the favourite for the job.

[B.H.F.C]

Kennedy could be an interesting one. More interesting than some of the names mentioned anyway. I can’t see him wanting to leave them at the moment.

[MacGruber]

The Sun running a story that Kennedy is the favourite for the job.

I'm not saying we aren't interested in Kennedy, we might well be, but what you can say is of course the Sun are going to write this story up with the Celtic link.

[Hibeesmad]

Not going to share their link but the DR are claiming that Guardiola has called Hibs to suggest Caneda Perez for the job, with talks held with him over the last 48 hours. They also go on to claim Stubbs and Hughes are not in the running and Felix Magath's application was dismissed.

[SteveHFC]

Get Harry Hill to organise a fight in ER car park between Warnock and Kewell.

A bit of entertainment for the press whilst the real candidates inside sorting terms out?

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TV Burp reference there :greengrin

[SteveHFC]

The Sun running a story that Kennedy is the favourite for the job.

Would much rather have Ross over Kennedy.

[B.H.F.C]

Not going to share their link but the DR are claiming that Guardiola has called Hibs to suggest Caneda Perez for the job, with talks held with him over the last 48 hours. They also go on to claim Stubbs and Hughes are not in the running and Felix Magath's application was dismissed.

That would be something a bit different, to say the least.

[Hibeesmad]

That would be something a bit different, to say the least.

Kind of settled for Ross over the last few days, I still think he will get it, but it's exciting to hear these random names come up. This guy is apparently highly thought of by Guardiola. If it means Aguero on loan, i'm all for it.

[SHODAN]

The Sun running a story that Kennedy is the favourite for the job.

Meh

[MacGruber]

Not going to share their link but the DR are claiming that Guardiola has called Hibs to suggest Caneda Perez for the job, with talks held with him over the last 48 hours. They also go on to claim Stubbs and Hughes are not in the running and Felix Magath's application was dismissed.

Just read through Perez Wiki page - very interesting. Worked with Pep at both Barca and Man City in the capacity of analyst on CL opponents. Literally written the book on coaching too (albeit in Spanish 😏). Incredible records with some of his previous clubs if Wiki is to be beleived

[Hibeesmad]

Just read through Perez Wiki page - very interesting. Worked with Pep at both Barca and Man City in the capacity of analyst on CL opponents. Literally written the book on coaching too (albeit in Spanish 😏). Incredible records with some of his previous clubs if Wiki is to be beleived

25 games over 6 months unbeaten with one team and then 12 victories and 1 defeat with another, leaving both clubs due to financial issues at the clubs. I see the team he's at now though have only 5 points from their opening 10 games.

[ScottB]

Some reference certainly, getting Pep to ring up for you!

[bigwheel]

Some reference certainly, getting Pep to ring up for you!

I’m just delighted that somewhere in his office is our phone number ! [emoji2]

[Heisenberg]

Can still get 9/1 on Kennedy with SkyBet. Ross remains the favourite at 2/5.

[Brooster]

If it’s Jack Ross I’ll be delighted.

With Sunderland he failed to get them up after back to back relegations in the last minute of the playoff final, with them also be careful of what you wish for.

St Mirren won the league more convincingly than we did under Lennon on a fraction of our budget, with far less talent and with a squad that wasn’t looking to push on having won the cup, with a squad that battled relegation to the league below before he took over.

Let's not be confused here. Failing to get Sunderland out of League One was a massive failure. I seen Sunderland 4 times last season against small unfancied teams and they were dreadful to watch. They took the lead in each game but ended up winning none, Ross was tactically naive in each game. I think I could've got Sunderland out of that awful league. I would rather we looked elsewhere for a manager.

[bingo70]

Can still get 9/1 on Kennedy with SkyBet. Ross remains the favourite at 2/5.

Imo there’s a good chance the Kennedy stuff is just to get the Celtic fans opening up the links or buying the papers.

Don’t know the stats but it must add a good number to their readers when they include a Celtic or rangers angle to the story.

Not saying it’s impossible but I’m pretty sceptical.

[Heisenberg]

Imo there’s a good chance the Kennedy stuff is just to get the Celtic fans opening up the links or buying the papers.

Don’t know the stats but it must add a good number to their readers when they include a Celtic or rangers angle to the story.

Not saying it’s impossible but I’m pretty sceptical.

Good shout actually, never thought of that. Then they can do a lovely big story about how Kennedy has knocked back Hibs because he’s a staunch ra sellick man who’s sticking around for ten in a row. Makes sense.

[The 90+2]

Imo there’s a good chance the Kennedy stuff is just to get the Celtic fans opening up the links or buying the papers.

Don’t know the stats but it must add a good number to their readers when they include a Celtic or rangers angle to the story.

Not saying it’s impossible but I’m pretty sceptical.

Especially on international week when they can’t get accused of unsettling staff in the build up to a big match for Celtic.

[The 90+2]

Let's not be confused here. Failing to get Sunderland out of League One was a massive failure. I seen Sunderland 4 times last season against small unfancied teams and they were dreadful to watch. They took the lead in each game but ended up winning none, Ross was tactically naive in each game. I think I could've got Sunderland out of that awful league. I would rather we looked elsewhere for a manager.

Of course it was but nothing gives you the god given right to get promoted. They have went back further since Ross left and I don’t think they will go up this season either.

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Peps been in touch re. Raul caneda Perez. BBC gossip. The daily record story has jurgen klinsman mentioned in a poll??

[BILLYHIBS]

Let's not be confused here. Failing to get Sunderland out of League One was a massive failure. I seen Sunderland 4 times last season against small unfancied teams and they were dreadful to watch. They took the lead in each game but ended up winning none, Ross was tactically naive in each game. I think I could've got Sunderland out of that awful league. I would rather we looked elsewhere for a manager.

:aok:

[Since452]

Let's not be confused here. Failing to get Sunderland out of League One was a massive failure. I seen Sunderland 4 times last season against small unfancied teams and they were dreadful to watch. They took the lead in each game but ended up winning none, Ross was tactically naive in each game. I think I could've got Sunderland out of that awful league. I would rather we looked elsewhere for a manager.

That's the massive red herring. He has pros and cons but thats where we are in the food chain. I'm struggling to find a better or more realistic candidate.

[James Stephen]

I've stopped having strong opinions on managerial appointments, as it just seems there are so many unknowns - even for the directors appointing - never mind us fans on the outside.

We have appointed complete novices with no connection to Hibs, novices with a connection to Hibs, and people with a track record of success at smaller clubs (most of whom have also had success since).

Some have worked well, others atrociously, and many have been in the middle but are judged as failures because we fans demand challenging for 3rd while playing brilliant football (the curse of Mowbray).

Basically no manager will get time to build as fans are impatient, and the nature of fitba at our level is very transient, with almost complete player turnover every couple of years.

Personally, I was hugely underwhelmed when we appointed Mowbray, pleased when we appointed Yogi Hughes, John Collins Bobby Williamson, Mcleish and Lennon, and I was ambivalent to the appointment of Stubbs, Butcher, Calderwood, Heckinbottom and Fenlon.

So I'm happy to say I dont think I know which managers will and wont work at Hibs - an elusive cocktail of chemistry, coaching experience, luck with recruitment, luck with youngsters, experience from playing days, circumstances of Hibs, circumstances of other rivals, connection with fans, who they are succeeding, how they handle the media and probably many other factors.

I'll back whoever they choose, because it seems to me every appointment at our level is a roll of the dice.

[rcarter1]

No manager
Fans vote for starting line up
Players go out and do their thing
Fans use phones to direct substitutions
Hibs win the Champions League (in hindsight)

[Since452]

No manager
Fans vote for starting line up
Players go out and do their thing
Fans use phones to direct substitutions
Hibs win the Champions League (in hindsight)

At least we would get to boo ourselves

[The Leith Dutch]

At least we would get to boo ourselves

Visions of a pissed up West Stand singing "Sacked in the morning" at the East following an audacious attempt to go 7 up front with Hallberg holding and big Daz and Porteous trying to hospitalise anything that moves in the box without a green shirt on.......

[southsider]

Some reference certainly, getting Pep to ring up for you!

And loan of young players from City ? I’m in,

[Saint Hibee]

No manager
Fans vote for starting line up
Players go out and do their thing
Fans use phones to direct substitutions
Hibs win the Champions League (in hindsight)

We could do both team selection and formation through an online doodle poll. What could possibly go wrong?

[GonzoReturns]

I've stopped having strong opinions on managerial appointments, as it just seems there are so many unknowns - even for the directors appointing - never mind us fans on the outside.

We have appointed complete novices with no connection to Hibs, novices with a connection to Hibs, and people with a track record of success at smaller clubs (most of whom have also had success since).

Some have worked well, others atrociously, and many have been in the middle but are judged as failures because we fans demand challenging for 3rd while playing brilliant football (the curse of Mowbray).

Basically no manager will get time to build as fans are impatient, and the nature of fitba at our level is very transient, with almost complete player turnover every couple of years.

Personally, I was hugely underwhelmed when we appointed Mowbray, pleased when we appointed Yogi Hughes, John Collins Bobby Williamson, Mcleish and Lennon, and I was ambivalent to the appointment of Stubbs, Butcher, Calderwood, Heckinbottom and Fenlon.

So I'm happy to say I dont think I know which managers will and wont work at Hibs - an elusive cocktail of chemistry, coaching experience, luck with recruitment, luck with youngsters, experience from playing days, circumstances of Hibs, circumstances of other rivals, connection with fans, who they are succeeding, how they handle the media and probably many other factors.

I'll back whoever they choose, because it seems to me every appointment at our level is a roll of the dice.

Great post 👍👍

[Michael]

We could do both team selection and formation through an online doodle poll. What could possibly go wrong?

Can't be any worse than Heckingbottom. We should trial starting the next game and keep this approach for as long as remain undefeated. Lose one game and we're sacked though.

[bingo70]

I've stopped having strong opinions on managerial appointments, as it just seems there are so many unknowns - even for the directors appointing - never mind us fans on the outside.

We have appointed complete novices with no connection to Hibs, novices with a connection to Hibs, and people with a track record of success at smaller clubs (most of whom have also had success since).

Some have worked well, others atrociously, and many have been in the middle but are judged as failures because we fans demand challenging for 3rd while playing brilliant football (the curse of Mowbray).

Basically no manager will get time to build as fans are impatient, and the nature of fitba at our level is very transient, with almost complete player turnover every couple of years.

Personally, I was hugely underwhelmed when we appointed Mowbray, pleased when we appointed Yogi Hughes, John Collins Bobby Williamson, Mcleish and Lennon, and I was ambivalent to the appointment of Stubbs, Butcher, Calderwood, Heckinbottom and Fenlon.

So I'm happy to say I dont think I know which managers will and wont work at Hibs - an elusive cocktail of chemistry, coaching experience, luck with recruitment, luck with youngsters, experience from playing days, circumstances of Hibs, circumstances of other rivals, connection with fans, who they are succeeding, how they handle the media and probably many other factors.

I'll back whoever they choose, because it seems to me every appointment at our level is a roll of the dice.

Brilliant post, the only problem being it doesn’t really make for great debate on a forum if we all just say let’s wait and see.

[Robbo6-2]

I've stopped having strong opinions on managerial appointments, as it just seems there are so many unknowns - even for the directors appointing - never mind us fans on the outside.

We have appointed complete novices with no connection to Hibs, novices with a connection to Hibs, and people with a track record of success at smaller clubs (most of whom have also had success since).

Some have worked well, others atrociously, and many have been in the middle but are judged as failures because we fans demand challenging for 3rd while playing brilliant football (the curse of Mowbray).

Basically no manager will get time to build as fans are impatient, and the nature of fitba at our level is very transient, with almost complete player turnover every couple of years.

Personally, I was hugely underwhelmed when we appointed Mowbray, pleased when we appointed Yogi Hughes, John Collins Bobby Williamson, Mcleish and Lennon, and I was ambivalent to the appointment of Stubbs, Butcher, Calderwood, Heckinbottom and Fenlon.

So I'm happy to say I dont think I know which managers will and wont work at Hibs - an elusive cocktail of chemistry, coaching experience, luck with recruitment, luck with youngsters, experience from playing days, circumstances of Hibs, circumstances of other rivals, connection with fans, who they are succeeding, how they handle the media and probably many other factors.

I'll back whoever they choose, because it seems to me every appointment at our level is a roll of the dice.

This is absolutely spot on.

The most sensible post ive read on here for a long time.

[sean04]

Alan Nixon all bit confirming jack ross to Hibs. Usually reliable

[Since452]

I've stopped having strong opinions on managerial appointments, as it just seems there are so many unknowns - even for the directors appointing - never mind us fans on the outside.

We have appointed complete novices with no connection to Hibs, novices with a connection to Hibs, and people with a track record of success at smaller clubs (most of whom have also had success since).

Some have worked well, others atrociously, and many have been in the middle but are judged as failures because we fans demand challenging for 3rd while playing brilliant football (the curse of Mowbray).

Basically no manager will get time to build as fans are impatient, and the nature of fitba at our level is very transient, with almost complete player turnover every couple of years.

Personally, I was hugely underwhelmed when we appointed Mowbray, pleased when we appointed Yogi Hughes, John Collins Bobby Williamson, Mcleish and Lennon, and I was ambivalent to the appointment of Stubbs, Butcher, Calderwood, Heckinbottom and Fenlon.

So I'm happy to say I dont think I know which managers will and wont work at Hibs - an elusive cocktail of chemistry, coaching experience, luck with recruitment, luck with youngsters, experience from playing days, circumstances of Hibs, circumstances of other rivals, connection with fans, who they are succeeding, how they handle the media and probably many other factors.

I'll back whoever they choose, because it seems to me every appointment at our level is a roll of the dice.

True. Your post made me think about my own thoughts on appointments.

Williamson - delighted
Mowbray - Toys out the pram
Collins - Excited
Yogi - Happy
Calderwood - Raging
Fenlon - Open but slightly concerned
Butcher - Over the moon
Stubbs - Concerned
Lennon - Worried
Heckingbottom - Underwhelmed

Some of them successful some not. My track record mostly terrible!

I trust Hibs to make the right choice. They know better than me at the end of the day.

[wookie70]

I've stopped having strong opinions on managerial appointments, as it just seems there are so many unknowns - even for the directors appointing - never mind us fans on the outside.

We have appointed complete novices with no connection to Hibs, novices with a connection to Hibs, and people with a track record of success at smaller clubs (most of whom have also had success since).

Some have worked well, others atrociously, and many have been in the middle but are judged as failures because we fans demand challenging for 3rd while playing brilliant football (the curse of Mowbray).

Basically no manager will get time to build as fans are impatient, and the nature of fitba at our level is very transient, with almost complete player turnover every couple of years.

Personally, I was hugely underwhelmed when we appointed Mowbray, pleased when we appointed Yogi Hughes, John Collins Bobby Williamson, Mcleish and Lennon, and I was ambivalent to the appointment of Stubbs, Butcher, Calderwood, Heckinbottom and Fenlon.

So I'm happy to say I dont think I know which managers will and wont work at Hibs - an elusive cocktail of chemistry, coaching experience, luck with recruitment, luck with youngsters, experience from playing days, circumstances of Hibs, circumstances of other rivals, connection with fans, who they are succeeding, how they handle the media and probably many other factors.

I'll back whoever they choose, because it seems to me every appointment at our level is a roll of the dice.

Excellent post. Luck also has a huge part to play.

[FilipinoHibs]

We could do both team selection and formation through an online doodle poll. What could possibly go wrong?

I thought that's what happened on Saturday!

[Jones28]

I mean there is a long list of managers who have won the Championship prior to Ross who were found wanting in the top league.

Mark Warburton
Robbie Nielson
Paul Hartley
Alan Archibald
Derek Adams
Jim McIntyre
Terry Butcher

Neilson finished third with the hearts the season after getting them promoted at a canter. Hardly struggled.

[bingo70]

That's the massive red herring. He has pros and cons but thats where we are in the food chain. I'm struggling to find a better or more realistic candidate.

My problem with Jack Ross is that to me he just screams boring.

That’s not to say he’d be bad, I think he’d probably do alright, no better, no worse. I think he’s the safe pair of hands that people crave when we’re a bit ****.

Unfortunately I think the novelty of a safe pair of hands would soon wear off and we’d be back to the 9-10,000 season ticket holders in no time as we flit between 5th and 6th place, drawing 15 games a season (never really thought about it but I assume that’s a lot)

I understand the appeal of someone that’d be a safe bet but I’d personally rather we took our chances on someone a bit exciting that captured the imagination of our fans that might just be brilliant.

[wookie70]

True. Your post made me think about my own thoughts on appointments.

Williamson - delighted
Mowbray - Toys out the pram
Collins - Excited
Yogi - Happy
Calderwood - Raging
Fenlon - Open but slightly concerned
Butcher - Over the moon
Stubbs - Concerned
Lennon - Worried
Heckingbottom - Underwhelmed

Some of them successful some not. My track record mostly terrible!

I trust Hibs to make the right choice. They know better than me at the end of the day.

What fans think of a manager when the team isn't doing well is far more influential than what they think at the appointment stage. Fenlon to Butcher being the most obvious example of a manager being chased out and replaced with another far worse. Fans show some patience then Hibs probably stay up. Williamson a year later might have been the perfect fit and would you rather have Yogi than Calderwood. Fans shoving managers out can definitely be a case of be careful what you wish for. Hope we end up with a Mowbray rather than a Calderwood but no guarantees whether the next boss will be better at Hibs than Heck.

[Greenbeard]

My problem with Jack Ross is that to me he just screams boring.

That’s not to say he’d be bad, I think he’d probably do alright, no better, no worse. I think he’s the safe pair of hands that people crave when we’re a bit ****.

Unfortunately I think the novelty of a safe pair of hands would soon wear off and we’d be back to the 9-10,000 season ticket holders in no time as we flit between 5th and 6th place, drawing 15 games a season (never really thought about it but I assume that’s a lot)

I understand the appeal of someone that’d be a safe bet but I’d personally rather we took our chances on someone a bit exciting that captured the imagination of our fans that might just be brilliant.
Can't really argue with the above but I think the biggest lesson to be taken from the Heck era is the need for whoever comes in to know and have experience of the Scottish game.
Voted for Ross in the poll but maybe Kennedy would fit the bill of taking "our chances on someone a bit exciting that captured the imagination of our fans that might just be brilliant" as well as having the Scottish game experience. If he could get Hibs playing in a similar manner to the Tic then that'll do me.

[Greenworld]

Expect Jack ross to be offered the job today .
Announcement tomorrow RG flies home Friday so all is falling into place as he wanted someone in before he left.



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[bingo70]

Can't really argue with the above but I think the biggest lesson to be taken from the Heck era is the need for whoever comes in to know and have experience of the Scottish game.
Voted for Ross in the poll but maybe Kennedy would fit the bill of taking "our chances on someone a bit exciting that captured the imagination of our fans that might just be brilliant" as well as having the Scottish game experience. If he could get Hibs playing in a similar manner to the Tic then that'll do me.

I disagree about the need for a knowledge of the Scottish Game.

A manager that can motivate his players and have some tactical nous is what’s needed, the Scottish game can be learned pretty quickly.

[The 90+2]

Expect Jack ross to be offered the job today .
Announcement tomorrow RG flies home Friday so all is falling into place as he wanted someone in before he left.



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Sounds like a watered down Craig David song when you put it like that.

[The 90+2]

I disagree about the need for a knowledge of the Scottish Game.

A manager that can motivate his players and have some tactical nous is what’s needed, the Scottish game can be learned pretty quickly.

I agree. Knowledge of the Scottish game can sometimes be a bad thing if you underestimate the league like Heckingbottom did.

[FilipinoHibs]

This is absolutely spot on.

The most sensible post ive read on here for a long time.

I am interested to see who it is but who it should be I have no real views either as such a lottery

[Since452]

Sounds like a watered down Craig David song when you put it like that.

😂

[FilipinoHibs]

Sounds like a watered down Craig David song when you put it like that.

So that is another defo. He gets offered the job and we know he will take it so announced tomorrow. RG previously saying he will leave it to LD and Mathie but now needs to be here. I so wish I was in the know.

[BILLYHIBS]

Expect Jack ross to be offered the job today .
Announcement tomorrow RG flies home Friday so all is falling into place as he wanted someone in before he left.



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Just when we got our team back we end up with the Scottish Hecky

If we go back to boring negative safety first one up front eye bleeding football god help me I will throw both my Season Tickets on the fire! :greengrin

[Carheenlea]

Not buying the Pep Gaurdiola calling up Hibs stories. Can’t recall him posting on here asking for the phone number.

[Peevemor]

Not buying the Pep Gaurdiola calling up Hibs stories. Can’t recall him posting on here asking for the phone number.

He got it from Hibspage on facebook. :agree:

[southsider]

Aye show a bit originality for once. Pep’s man Perez intrigue’s me.

[eastmainsmsh]

the last Spaniard wizny too shabby

[Fogzie]

Aye show a bit originality for once. Pep’s man Perez intrigue’s me.
Maybe he was trying to wangle a possible move for Vela as part of the deal? [IMG]

[JeMeSouviens]

Alan Nixon all bit confirming jack ross to Hibs. Usually reliable

Except when he had the ink drying on SJM's contract at Celtc. :wink:

[Northernhibee]

Not buying the Pep Gaurdiola calling up Hibs stories. Can’t recall him posting on here asking for the phone number.
The man's never had a steak bake in his life :grr:

[BILLYHIBS]

Maybe he was trying to wangle a possible move for Vela as part of the deal? [IMG]

Josh Vela Manchester City has a certain ring to it


:confused:

[GloryGlory]

Except when he had the ink drying on SJM's contract at Celtc. :wink:

Nixon's twitter isn't saying much other than Ross has been interviewed and it went very well, repeating what he said last week. Which is the equivalent of saying something and nothing at the same time.

[Greenbeard]

I agree. Knowledge of the Scottish game can sometimes be a bad thing if you underestimate the league like Heckingbottom did.
Per the Spiers interview Heck admitted he knew f... all about the Scottish game. Agree he underestimated it but that was 'cos of his lack of knowledge.
And we are not in a position where we can afford to have someone come in an spend half a season learning about the Scottish game.

[Heedersnvolleys]

Per the Spiers interview Heck admitted he knew f... all about the Scottish game. Agree he underestimated it but that was 'cos of his lack of knowledge.

Lack of knowledge is fair enough but lack of doing your homework or even trying to learn more is another

[Keyser Sauzee]

the last Spaniard wizny too shabby

Who was that?

[LancsHibs]

Per the Spiers interview Heck admitted he knew f... all about the Scottish game. Agree he underestimated it but that was 'cos of his lack of knowledge.
And we are not in a position where we can afford to have someone come in an spend half a season learning about the Scottish game.

Surly should have been highlighted at interview stage, no?? I think he was a rushed appointment.

[.Sean.]

Who was that?
Paco

[The Harp Awakes]

Alan Nixon all bit confirming jack ross to Hibs. Usually reliable

If true seems a bit of a lazy, convenient appointment. Could be good, could be bad and so comes with a fair degree of risk.

Fans will back him but won't give him much slack if he doesn't hit the ground running.

[SMAXXA]

If it is Jack ross so much for the different direction LD suggested we go down, if you were going to select a mould of a Hibs manager he would fit it based on what seems our recruitment criteria.

I’d be underwhelmed with JR I have to say, hoped for someone that was a bit unknown, foreign manager with but excitement factor regardless how it would end up lol. Surly what would let us tap into other players aswell, JR will just fit in with the recruitment team.

[CockneyRebel]

I've stopped having strong opinions on managerial appointments, as it just seems there are so many unknowns - even for the directors appointing - never mind us fans on the outside.

We have appointed complete novices with no connection to Hibs, novices with a connection to Hibs, and people with a track record of success at smaller clubs (most of whom have also had success since).

Some have worked well, others atrociously, and many have been in the middle but are judged as failures because we fans demand challenging for 3rd while playing brilliant football (the curse of Mowbray).

Basically no manager will get time to build as fans are impatient, and the nature of fitba at our level is very transient, with almost complete player turnover every couple of years.

Personally, I was hugely underwhelmed when we appointed Mowbray, pleased when we appointed Yogi Hughes, John Collins Bobby Williamson, Mcleish and Lennon, and I was ambivalent to the appointment of Stubbs, Butcher, Calderwood, Heckinbottom and Fenlon.

So I'm happy to say I dont think I know which managers will and wont work at Hibs - an elusive cocktail of chemistry, coaching experience, luck with recruitment, luck with youngsters, experience from playing days, circumstances of Hibs, circumstances of other rivals, connection with fans, who they are succeeding, how they handle the media and probably many other factors.

I'll back whoever they choose, because it seems to me every appointment at our level is a roll of the dice.


Good post. You cover the reasons why I don't get my y-fronts in a twist come new manager time. My likes and dislikes from a list of potential new managers/head coaches don't bear scrutiny. I didn't want Stubbs or Mowbray but wanted Butcher so now I just sit back and then support the new guy whoever it is.

[J-C]

Leeann has a habit of doing the unexpected, no one seen Stubbs coming, Lennon approached Hibs for the job, hence it was unexpected as he wasn't the head coach type we were looking for. Heckingbottom was that young up and coming coach but he blagged his way into the job. Ross seems the obvious replacement but I wouldn't be surprised if Leeann brings in another left field choice, hence the Spanish guy intrigues me.

[CapitalGreen]

If true seems a bit of a lazy, convenient appointment. Could be good, could be bad and so comes with a fair degree of risk.

Fans will back him but won't give him much slack if he doesn't hit the ground running.

Replacing a manager who failed in the English Championship with a manager who failed in the English League 1 ✅

[green with envy]

Replacing a manager who failed in the English Championship with a manager who failed in the English League 1 ✅

Throw me a couple of genuine candidates that are big winners?

[Northernhibee]

Throw me a couple of genuine candidates that are big winners?

Roberto Di Matteo - linked with the Killie job, Champions League winner as a manager?

[Vault Boy]

Replacing a manager who failed in the English Championship with a manager who failed in the English League 1 ✅

We replaced a manager who had succeeded in the SPL with one that had never managed before, the former got us relegated and the latter ended up winning the Scottish Cup.

He went on to fail in the English Championship, so replaced him with a manager who also failed in the English Championship - he won us the league, then finished in 4th, progressing further in Europe than we had for decades.

You can frame it any way you like, ultimately all this proves is that we can't judge the manager until they're here.

[theonlywayisup]

Let's not be confused here. Failing to get Sunderland out of League One was a massive failure. I seen Sunderland 4 times last season against small unfancied teams and they were dreadful to watch. They took the lead in each game but ended up winning none, Ross was tactically naive in each game. I think I could've got Sunderland out of that awful league. I would rather we looked elsewhere for a manager.

Reading that Brooster, Jack Ross sounds like Hecky Mk 2.

Underwhelmed if it was Jack Ross!

They'll be some on here that will already be planning the protests. :greengrin

[scoopyboy]

Reading that Brooster, Jack Ross sounds like Hecky Mk 2.

Underwhelmed if it was Jack Ross!

They'll be some on here that will already be planning the protests. :greengrin

A certain striker who has played for PH and JR in the last ten months says PH is the better manager.

Says it all for me.

JR is a poor mans PH.