Vegetarianism/Veganism

[superfurryhibby]

Vegetarian for 35years, Vegan for 1year. Love my food, eat well and at 6ft and 12.5stones, not much away from my 11.5stone footballing weight whilst in my 20's and 30's. Each to their own with the food, but it's fair to say I will never touch meat/fish again.

[superfurryhibby]

Ps:Lidl and Aldi sell all the fruit n'veg you need. They also do lots of pulses and some soya products. The beetrootburger at Aldi is great, is their houmous. I cook all the time, live on my own, bake my own bread and I guess I spend 30-40quid/week on food.

[wpj]

I get my chickpeas, lentils and dried beans from asian supermarkets as way cheap than tesco’s etc..Sometimes lidle have tofu which i would stock up on..Ive saved loads since cutting out meat..once you have all your spices, nutritional yeast, liquid smoke etc

Liquid smoke? Intrigued, where do you get that and how do you use it?

[Smartie]

Does anyone have any tips for feeding kids?

The best veggie dishes we have had have been fairly spicy and not the kind of thing you could feed a 21 month old.

We’re doing our best to get to Christmas without cooking meat in the house, it’s not proving to be anything of a problem to us but it is trickier to make stuff that the wee one will eat.

Tbh she’d happily eat nothing but grapes all day long but we can probably do a bit better than that.

[Dalianwanda]

Liquid smoke? Intrigued, where do you get that and how do you use it?

Yeah it gives a smokey taste to food (surprisingly 😅)..Just like soy sauce in consistency...I’m not sure in Scotland but would imagine big supermarkets have it. I got my current bottle from amazon as was way cheaper than shop bought. Great for veggie burgers and also on of my favourite Thug Kitchen recipe Sweet Potato Al Pastor (google it)

[Alex Trager]

I get my chickpeas, lentils and dried beans from asian supermarkets as way cheap than tesco’s etc..Sometimes lidle have tofu which i would stock up on..Ive saved loads since cutting out meat..once you have all your spices, nutritional yeast, liquid smoke etc

Interesting.

Where about do you go?

I’ve yet to see tofu in Lidl, where is best to get it? I’ve got it from Sainsburys- closest big supermarket to us- and tbf it’s not cheap but cheaper than most meats

[superfurryhibby]

Interesting.

Where about do you go?

I’ve yet to see tofu in Lidl, where is best to get it? I’ve got it from Sainsburys- closest big supermarket to us- and tbf it’s not cheap but cheaper than most meats

It's around £2:50(max)for a large block, not that dear. However, it's a acquired taste. I'll stir fry it until brown, along with onion, carrot, mushrooms, peppers, ginger and garlic, bit of soy sauce....

[Hibernia&Alba]

I'm yet to try tofu. It looks horrible.

[Callum_62]

Tofu is magnificent, particularly in stir frys

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[Dalianwanda]

Interesting.

Where about do you go?

I’ve yet to see tofu in Lidl, where is best to get it? I’ve got it from Sainsburys- closest big supermarket to us- and tbf it’s not cheap but cheaper than most meats

I’m in Ireland but i guess the shops are all pretty samey. It’s generally in the bit that has a rotation of things, polish stuff, italian and sometimes veggie.

For those of you who haven’t used before i’d recommend baking it or pan frying it to give it some texture..

I’d highly recommend Ottolenghi’s black pepper tofu recipe (google it)..i add mushrooms too.....very tasty indeed

[superfurryhibby]

Does anyone have any tips for feeding kids?

The best veggie dishes we have had have been fairly spicy and not the kind of thing you could feed a 21 month old.

We’re doing our best to get to Christmas without cooking meat in the house, it’s not proving to be anything of a problem to us but it is trickier to make stuff that the wee one will eat.

Tbh she’d happily eat nothing but grapes all day long but we can probably do a bit better than that.

Mac n’ cheese or make a tomato sauce, using passata, garlic, a bay leaf of two, spoon of brown sugar, oregano. Takes about ten minutes and is excellent. Getting a bit more exotic, with risotto, fry mushrooms in garlic, blend the mushies with marscapone cheese, bairn will love it.

[Mibbes Aye]

Does anyone have any tips for feeding kids?

The best veggie dishes we have had have been fairly spicy and not the kind of thing you could feed a 21 month old.

We’re doing our best to get to Christmas without cooking meat in the house, it’s not proving to be anything of a problem to us but it is trickier to make stuff that the wee one will eat.

Tbh she’d happily eat nothing but grapes all day long but we can probably do a bit better than that.

Lasagne can be a handy way of sneaking in veg.

If it is pescatarian rather than veggie then tuna pasta bake likewise.

Risotto maybe as well - texturally it should be easy at that age.

Homemade hummus, with pitta chips, or carrot sticks, or celery sticks.

If you can be bothered making your own suasages then go for it, but readymade veggie ones with beans and mash.

Also a great opportunity to introduce sweet potato or celeriac wedges as something like chips, but a lot, lot healthier.

[calumhibee1]

Yeah it gives a smokey taste to food (surprisingly 😅)..Just like soy sauce in consistency...I’m not sure in Scotland but would imagine big supermarkets have it. I got my current bottle from amazon as was way cheaper than shop bought. Great for veggie burgers and also on of my favourite Thug Kitchen recipe Sweet Potato Al Pastor (google it)

You definitely get it in Waitrose in Edinburgh. Not sure about other supermarkets though.

[Slavers]

If you are a vegan how do you get the vital brain and body nutrients that are only sourced from animal products -such as Vitamin B12, Creatine, Vitamin D3, Carsonine & Decosahexaenoic Acid (DHA)?

[bigwheel]

If you are a vegan how do you get the vital brain and body nutrients that are only sourced from animal products -such as Vitamin B12, Creatine, Vitamin D3, Carsonine & Decosahexaenoic Acid (DHA)?

Lots of milk and dairy products have a number of those ...and of course there are easy multi vitamins to supplement if people need it ....

There’s lots of research now showing that people don’t need meat in their diet ...

[Slavers]

Lots of milk and dairy products have a number of those ...and of course there are easy multi vitamins to supplement if people need it ....

There’s lots of research now showing that people don’t need meat in their diet ...

There is research to show that vitamin supplements are not absorbed by the body in the same way as with natural animal products - meaning you are more likely to suffer from nutrient deficiency which can be dangerous especially for young children.

[bigwheel]

There is research to show that vitamin supplements are not absorbed by the body in the same way as with natural animal products - meaning you are more likely to suffer from nutrient deficiency which can be dangerous especially for young children.

I’m not an expert. But my vegan family
Members are thoroughly invested in it ..it’s largely been dispelled that you need to eat meet. Almost all elements can be secured naturally ... I’ve not eaten meat at all this year. Feels absolutely fine. Don’t use vitamins either ...

[Slavers]

I’m not an expert. But my vegan family
Members are thoroughly invested in it ..it’s largely been dispelled that you need to eat meet. Almost all elements can be secured naturally ... I’ve not eaten meat at all this year. Feels absolutely fine. Don’t use vitamins either ...

Largely dispelled by whom?

You can only get Vitamin B12, Creatine, Vitmamin D3 etc from meat, out body and brain needs these and their only natural source comes from animal products.

I suggest if you have been Vegan for a year then you are using built up reserves of vital nutrients but over the much longer term you may find problems.

Big Pharma obviously has a lot of gain from the Vegan 'movement' but nature and science show that our brain and body needs animal produce, our bodies and brains have evolved over thousands and thousands of years consuming and needing animal sourced nutrients for growth and optimal health.

[superfurryhibby]

There is research to show that vitamin supplements are not absorbed by the body in the same way as with natural animal products - meaning you are more likely to suffer from nutrient deficiency which can be dangerous especially for young children.

https://www.vegansociety.com/resources/nutrition-and-health/nutrients/vitamin-b12/what-every-vegan-should-know-about-vitamin-b12

Eating crappy processed ready meals, chips, sweeties and crisps can also be dangerous for young children. I think the answer is to eat well, most educated people do this, Vegan, Carnivore or whatever.

Plenty b12 in dairy products too.
https://www.vegansociety.com/resources/nutrition-and-health/nutrients/vitamin-b12/what-every-vegan-should-know-about-vitamin-b12

Most Vegans will be consuming fortified products, like the soya milk, soya yogurts etc.

Finding the big pharma line a bit baffling really. I really don’t think there has been a tremendous upsurge in the sale of vitaminb12 supplements and they really are not very expensive.

[Dalianwanda]

There is research to show that vitamin supplements are not absorbed by the body in the same way as with natural animal products - meaning you are more likely to suffer from nutrient deficiency which can be dangerous especially for young children.

I wonder if the meat industry paid for the research?

[Slavers]

I wonder if the meat industry paid for the research?

Think about the thousands of years our bodies have evolved and required animal products for essential nutrients.

[Callum_62]

I've been pescatarian for a few years now

Once you cut out meat, give it about 2-4 weeks and if your anything like me you will feel much better about yourself

My wife and child are meat eaters and that's there choice, altho generally eat less meat than they would due to my diet - certainly they don't have meat everyday

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[Peevemor]

Think about the thousands of years our bodies have evolved and required animal products for essential nutrients.

Humans haven't been huge meat eaters for thousands of years.

[Slavers]

Humans haven't been huge meat eaters for thousands of years.

Humans have eaten meat since the first humans walked the earth.

Our teeth show we have always eaten meat and veg.

[danhibees1875]

Humans have eaten meat since the first humans walked the earth.

Our teeth show we have always eaten meat and veg.

I thought our teeth were one of the things that show us to be vegetarian by nature?

Flat rather than pointy. :dunno:

[Dalianwanda]

Humans have eaten meat since the first humans walked the earth.

Our teeth show we have always eaten meat and veg.

We don’t need meat to be healthy. We evolve as diet evolves, reason why we don’t need appendix. We’re more educated and have more choice than we did even 10 years back.

We need a balanced diet covering all the bases. Nothing says that can only come from animal products.

[Smartie]

I thought our teeth were one of the things that show us to be vegetarian by nature?

Flat rather than pointy. :dunno:

Omnivorous, like pigs.

We have teeth for eating both meat and vegetables and need a balanced diet.

There are huge swathes of the human population who don’t eat meat, either through choice or necessity and are fine.

I think you have to be careful, because you can get deficiencies if you do it wrong. Not if you do it right though. And a lot of the worst crap you can out in your mouth is animal based.

[Dalianwanda]

Think about the thousands of years our bodies have evolved and required animal products for essential nutrients.

That’s just not true.

[Slavers]

That’s just not true.

It is true you are in denial.

Which plant products supply Vitamin B12, Creatine, Vitmamin D3 ?

[superfurryhibby]

It is true your in denial.

Which plant products supply Vitamin B12, Creatine, Vitmamin D3 ?

That has been answered already. You haven't bothered reading, have you. Repeating the same point isn't very convincing. People haven't always eaten food in plastic containers since time began either. We adapt. I'm happy with what I eat, I look and feel good. Each to their own and if that means I consume some fortified product, so what? Is that any less natural than eating hormone filled, parody of chicken bought from a supermarket? Talking of nature, when did you last hunt andkill your dinner, lol.

[Smartie]

That has been answered already. You haven't bothered reading, have you. Repeating the same point isn't very convincing. People haven't always eaten food in plastic containers since time began either. We adapt. I'm happy with what I eat, I look and feel good. Each to their own and if that means I consume some fortified product, so what? Is that any less natural than eating hormone filled, parody of chicken bought from a supermarket? Talking of nature, when did you last hunt andkill your dinner, lol.

You might end up regretting that last line...

[Slavers]

That has been answered already. You haven't bothered reading, have you. Repeating the same point isn't very convincing. People haven't always eaten food in plastic containers since time began either. We adapt. I'm happy with what I eat, I look and feel good. Each to their own and if that means I consume some fortified product, so what? Is that any less natural than eating hormone filled, parody of chicken bought from a supermarket? Talking of nature, when did you last hunt andkill your dinner, lol.

It's not been answered i have already responded by saying supplemented vitamins are not absorbed by the body in the same way as natural animal products, so where do you get your vitamin B12 etc?

[Callum_62]

It's not been answered i have already responded by saying supplemented vitamins are not absorbed by the body in the same way as natural animal products, so where do you get your vitamin B12 etc?Eggs? Shrooms?

Various milk alternatives that are fortifief with b12?

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[Dalianwanda]

It's not been answered i have already responded by saying supplemented vitamins are not absorbed by the body in the same way as natural animal products, so where do you get your vitamin B12 etc?

I take a creatine supplement..On recent blood and **** tests all is good..I’m happy with my diet and will aim for fully vegan in my own time..What’s your problem with the diet of others? From what i read people are feeling better and fitter from the choices they make

[bigwheel]

It's not been answered i have already responded by saying supplemented vitamins are not absorbed by the body in the same way as natural animal products, so where do you get your vitamin B12 etc?

B12 is gained from many fortified yeast and dairy products ..as I said earlier I’m not expert but vegans are ..there is virtually nothing that can’t be gained naturally..and there are as many studies showing a vegan diet as healthy for people as a mixed diet ...

There has been some helpful Posts in this recent exchange ..meat is not required for a healthy diet .

[Pretty Boy]

Early humans were omnivores but there's increasing evidence that their diet was primarily plant based. When you consider how ill equipped we are for hunting then that makes sense.

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/human-ancestors-were-nearly-all-vegetarians/

There's on blog that explains it in a pretty simple way. A few minutes of Google will provide several more studies and research that backs up the point.

[Slavers]

https://time.com/4252373/meat-eating-veganism-evolution/

An article showing that without meat consumption then we would not have evolved into humans.

[Dalianwanda]

https://time.com/4252373/meat-eating-veganism-evolution/

An article showing that without meat consumption then we would not have evolved into humans.

Yet we do not need it now to be fit and healthy.

Anyway that article is just guesswork not fact. Everything we have done as a species & as individuals has brought us to this place now. So everything we would have done in the past will have had an impact on our physical & mental state. That doesnt mean that everything that was done in the past is required to survive in the future.

[DiscoDirk]

It's not been answered i have already responded by saying supplemented vitamins are not absorbed by the body in the same way as natural animal products, so where do you get your vitamin B12 etc?

Been vegan 3 years and have a 6 year old who has been vegan for most of her life due to a severe dairy allergy - just had her vitamin levels tested at the docs and B12 levels are spot on . A lot of it comes down to the quality of the supplement.

B12 deficiency is definitely an risk with a vegan diet, but you get every other nutrient you need from a plant based diet.

[Dalianwanda]

Been vegan 3 years and have a 6 year old who has been vegan for most of her life due to a severe dairy allergy - just had her vitamin levels tested at the docs and B12 levels are spot on . A lot of it comes down to the quality of the supplement.

B12 deficiency is definitely an risk with a vegan diet, but you get every other nutrient you need from a plant based diet.

Slavers is more concerned about the diet of the caveman

[Aldo]

Largely dispelled by whom?

You can only get Vitamin B12, Creatine, Vitmamin D3 etc from meat, out body and brain needs these and their only natural source comes from animal products.

I suggest if you have been Vegan for a year then you are using built up reserves of vital nutrients but over the much longer term you may find problems.

Big Pharma obviously has a lot of gain from the Vegan 'movement' but nature and science show that our brain and body needs animal produce, our bodies and brains have evolved over thousands and thousands of years consuming and needing animal sourced nutrients for growth and optimal health.

I haven’t read all the thread of late however I have just watched game changers on Netflix which I think dispels all myths you must eat meat to get all the required nutrients for a healthy body. Defo worth a watch!

I will be trying a more plant based diet come the new year to assist with my training for cycling the alps in the summer. Whilst I won’t give up meat totally I will be eating it less frequently.

Each to their own though!


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[Green Man]

I haven’t read all the thread of late however I have just watched game changers on Netflix which I think dispels all myths you must eat meat to get all the required nutrients for a healthy body. Defo worth a watch!

I will be trying a more plant based diet come the new year to assist with my training for cycling the alps in the summer. Whilst I won’t give up meat totally I will be eating it less frequently.

Each to their own though!


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A friend of mine is training for three marathons next year and she’s also adopting a plant based diet as part of it. What are the training/performance benefits that plant based diet gives you?

[Aldo]

A friend of mine is training for three marathons next year and she’s also adopting a plant based diet as part of it. What are the training/performance benefits that plant based diet gives you?

I am far from being an expert however from what I had read and watched there are a variety of benefits. Less injuries, quicker recovery time and stronger performance professional athletes)

Plant based also assist with the health of your body, heart, stomach, will in time lower your cholesterol, your weight (BMI) and lower the risk of diabetes.

I am not saying you cannot do this whilst eating meat etc but being an avid meat eater (I love steak) I am going to give this a try. Someone did say that all the goodness from a steak comes from how the cattle are fed and looked after? Think most organic cattle are fed on grass etc (again not an expiry on how to fed cattle)

I am turning 50 in a few weeks and feel a change is needed in my eating habits. I feel I’m getting a few more injuries than normal... currently recovering following knee arthroscopy for torn meniscus and think how’s the time to change.


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[Green Man]

Cheers, it’s something to think about. Good luck with the training - I’m hoping to do some long rides in Scotland in the coming year myself, nothing compared to the Alps though!

[Pretty Boy]

A friend of mine is training for three marathons next year and she’s also adopting a plant based diet as part of it. What are the training/performance benefits that plant based diet gives you?

There's a UK wide group called Vegan runners who have some good info on their website.

You see there T shirts at a lot of events and they all seem to be faster than me......

[Aldo]

Cheers, it’s something to think about. Good luck with the training - I’m hoping to do some long rides in Scotland in the coming year myself, nothing compared to the Alps though!

No worries and cheers. I have a few good routes where I stay in Fife and gives a bit of everything so training can be varied! Been checking out routes in the alps and is fair to say I won’t be breaking any speed records out there in June!


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[superfurryhibby]

" Separate genetic studies have indicated that “lactase non-persistence” was the human norm until the domestication of the goat and cow in the Neolithic, starting very roughly also around 11,000 years ago. It is still the norm in modern societies that shun dairy products"

From an article I've just read about female DNA found in remains associated with early farming communities in Scandinavia. Dairy intolerant, like most of humanity until farming became widespread. She did however have Herpes and Gonorhea, eh, gonorrhoea (however you spell it).

[Hibernia&Alba]

It's going to be nut roast and veggie sausages with my first veggie Christmas dinner.

[Mibbes Aye]

It's going to be nut roast and veggie sausages with my first veggie Christmas dinner.

:aok:

[Hibernia&Alba]

Has anyone tried the vegetarian Impossible Whopper from Burker King?

[speedy_gonzales]

Has anyone tried the vegetarian Impossible Whopper from Burker King?

Is it available to buy here? I know these have been released in the US but unsure if they'd come to these shores.

[calumhibee1]

Has anyone tried the vegetarian Impossible Whopper from Burker King?

Just back from NYC and was adamant I was going to try one. Got caught up eating that much pizza that this is the first time I remembered about it :greengrin

[Hibernia&Alba]

Is it available to buy here? I know these have been released in the US but unsure if they'd come to these shores.


Just back from NYC and was adamant I was going to try one. Got caught up eating that much pizza that this is the first time I remembered about it :greengrin

Ah right, I thought they might be available here too. I think it would be a good move for them, given the size of the vegetarian market now.

[Sylar]

Ah right, I thought they might be available here too. I think it would be a good move for them, given the size of the vegetarian market now.

I had a few of them during my last spell working out in California. They're actually really nice!

[Dalianwanda]

As well as turkey for the carnivores I'm making a vegan pork roll using gluten flour....Got all the ingrediants, only probelm is for some reason the guys from Bosh! have pulled the video so now Im gonna have to completely wing it!

[Colr]

I made beef wellington and also vegan wellington for Mrs Colr.

This is the recipe:

https://veganhuggs.com/vegan-wellington/

It was really good.

[Hibernia&Alba]

I made beef wellington and also vegan wellington for Mrs Colr.

This is the recipe:

https://veganhuggs.com/vegan-wellington/

It was really good.

:top marks

My first veggie Christmas dinner was braw.

[danhibees1875]

Regarding the Whopper, for those looking to be strictly vegetarian/vegan it's apparently not suitable as it's cooked on the same grill as beef patties.

There seems to be generally a positive acceptance of this as the burger is more aimed at people who are simply trying to reduce their meat consumption rather than being strict veggie/vegans. I think that's a sensible and pragmatic reaction to the news - but the whole thing is worth remembering for anyone looking to be strictly vegan. :aok:

[Pretty Boy]

Quite intrigued by the Meat The Family show starting tonight on Channel 4. Few families get given animals to rear and when the time comes to send them to slaughter they are given the option to do so or to commit to giving up meat and sending the animals to a sanctuary.

Seems typically provocative from Channel 4 but it's an interesting idea imo. It's easy to say 'I know where meat comes from' but we are still a millions miles removed from the process. Would we be so keen to eat meat when confronted with a personal relationship with the animal providing it?

[Dalianwanda]

Books brought this month to keep my learning going:

Vegan Eat - Smith & Daughters Made a couple of things from this already my favorite is the Columbian Hominay & Black Bean Soup...Id never heard of hominay & its kinda hard to describe - a sort of chewy corn..Adds a nice bit of texture...Added their pickled red cabbage too which is so tasty Im adding it to everything

Vegan Street Food - Jackie Kearney India, Thialand, Sri Lanka, Malaysia, Indonesia & Loas street foot receipes..Thought I may need loads of fancy ingredients that are hard to get bu thats not the case So far my favorite is the Jackfruit Vindaloo

Mildreds Vegan - Miso Glazed Aubergine is really easy to make & very very tasty!

Zaika (Vegan Recipes from India) - Romy Gill So many recipes here to chose from so far Ive only made Sweet & Sour Tofu (she admits its a Indian/Chinese cross)

[Bristolhibby]

I like meat too much. No chance I’m giving it up.

J

[bigwheel]

I like meat too much. No chance I’m giving it up.

J

I used to be firmly of that view....now over a year meat free..can’t quite believe it myself


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[Dalianwanda]

I like meat too much. No chance I’m giving it up.

J

I like meat a lot too...But i like exploring tasty food , which thankfully gives me plenty of choice without it 😎 cheese may prove harder but I want to give it a good shot.

[Dalianwanda]

Quite intrigued by the Meat The Family show starting tonight on Channel 4. Few families get given animals to rear and when the time comes to send them to slaughter they are given the option to do so or to commit to giving up meat and sending the animals to a sanctuary.

Seems typically provocative from Channel 4 but it's an interesting idea imo. It's easy to say 'I know where meat comes from' but we are still a millions miles removed from the process. Would we be so keen to eat meat when confronted with a personal relationship with the animal providing it?

Did you watch it?

At the end of the day our relationship with what we eat is just a bunch of beliefs. Some we might say are fact, some we might defend, some we might find hold no further use and move onto new beliefs that suit us better at that moment. Thats going to have a knock on effect to perception then behaviours. We wouldnt eat our pets but some cultures might, purely through a belief of right and wrong. I live in a rural area so surrounded by lambs & cows & even though its taken a while my beliefs have changed and slowly so have my habits and behaviours. I've still a way to go but not even having a personal relationship, just seeing them as sentient beings has had a massive effect on me. I doubt I could watch the programme as I'd get an attachement to the animals, never mind those on the show :greengrin

[Pretty Boy]

Did you watch it?

At the end of the day our relationship with what we eat is just a bunch of beliefs. Some we might say are fact, some we might defend, some we might find hold no further use and move onto new beliefs that suit us better at that moment. Thats going to have a knock on effect to perception then behaviours. We wouldnt eat our pets but some cultures might, purely through a belief of right and wrong. I live in a rural area so surrounded by lambs & cows & even though its taken a while my beliefs have changed and slowly so have my habits and behaviours. I've still a way to go but not even having a personal relationship, just seeing them as sentient beings has had a massive effect on me. I doubt I could watch the programme as I'd get an attachement to the animals, never mind those on the show :greengrin

Just got round to watching the 1st episode on catch up.

The format of the show was pretty much as I expected. Equally my reaction was also as I expected. I was extremely uncomfortable with the idea of pigs and chickens living their entire lives without seeing daylight. The pig farm was apparently award winning and it just looked an awful existence, the chickens quite literally living on a conveyor belt was not pleasant.

I don't think my own view was changed at all. I found my relationship with meat difficult before the programme and I find it difficult afterwards. I've cut down on eating meat, I want to stop altogether, it's just a case of taking the step from thinking about it to actually doing it. It's an inevitability for me and has been for a while.

[Alex Trager]

Where do you guys that live in the Leith area buy your essentials IE lentils and beans.

I know that there are asian stores that people talk about but I am looking to tap into the wealth of knowledge and experience built up over the years!

As for things like tofu and tempeh, do you guys know the cheapest places to buy them? Or do any of you make them?

I’ve not yet had tempeh but eager to try it.

As I said, I could no doubt go and find all this out myself but I am eager to just use you guys’ experiences.

Finally, who take vitamin sups? And what do you take? And where from?!

Cheers guys.
Much appreciated as ever.

[H18BYM]

I watched a documentary during the Xmas holidays on Netflix call The Game Changers, that followed a guy who used a Vegan diet to aid his recovery from a serious injury. I'm no athlete, nor am I Vegan, but I was intrigued by what the guy experienced. There's a bit where he compares his performance on a piece of gym apparatus before and after and, if it's genuine, it's pretty compelling. As a result I'm now eating much less meat than before to see what effects is has. The documentary is definitely worth a watch for those with any interest in Veganism and/or the impact it has on physical health.

[Dalianwanda]

Where do you guys that live in the Leith area buy your essentials IE lentils and beans.

I know that there are asian stores that people talk about but I am looking to tap into the wealth of knowledge and experience built up over the years!

As for things like tofu and tempeh, do you guys know the cheapest places to buy them? Or do any of you make them?

I’ve not yet had tempeh but eager to try it.

As I said, I could no doubt go and find all this out myself but I am eager to just use you guys’ experiences.

Finally, who take vitamin sups? And what do you take? And where from?!

Cheers guys.
Much appreciated as ever.

Apart from the leith part....I'd just go to an asian supermarket...I buy a lot of my stuff on amazon mainly because its hard to get out here & what you can get is pricey..Gluten, liquid smoke, hot sauces and any weird stuff I dont think I'll find in town...Ive amazon prime so its a no brainer

You cant make your own tempeh ...Its got a taste unlike tofu..Bit nuttier..You can freeze it too..I make sweet potato al pastor with it from thug kitchen..One recipe I keep coming back to..

I took suppliments before anyway...cod liver oil, vit d, collagen & also in the morning a scoop of green powder (hion ultimate blend) to get off to an alkalising start to the day...All but the green powder (amazon on repeat) I get from iherb.com

[green&left]

I watched a documentary during the Xmas holidays on Netflix call The Game Changers, that followed a guy who used a Vegan diet to aid his recovery from a serious injury. I'm no athlete, nor am I Vegan, but I was intrigued by what the guy experienced. There's a bit where he compares his performance on a piece of gym apparatus before and after and, if it's genuine, it's pretty compelling. As a result I'm now eating much less meat than before to see what effects is has. The documentary is definitely worth a watch for those with any interest in Veganism and/or the impact it has on physical health.

Watched it too. Very interesting - do a quick google and you'll find stacks of elite athletes now on a vegan diet.

There was a documentary on farming and the harm to the environment on 4 Demand called Apocalypse Cow which may or may not be worth a watch.

[Alex Trager]

I watched a documentary during the Xmas holidays on Netflix call The Game Changers, that followed a guy who used a Vegan diet to aid his recovery from a serious injury. I'm no athlete, nor am I Vegan, but I was intrigued by what the guy experienced. There's a bit where he compares his performance on a piece of gym apparatus before and after and, if it's genuine, it's pretty compelling. As a result I'm now eating much less meat than before to see what effects is has. The documentary is definitely worth a watch for those with any interest in Veganism and/or the impact it has on physical health.

I’ve always been much like you although recently, as noted on this thread, we decided to start eating veggie during the week.

I always said I would only go vegan because of the environment, but then a few weeks prior to xmas I watched gamechangers.

I was sat there watching it thinking ‘how can I continue to eat meat knowing what it does to enviro and now my body?’

We decided there and then that we would only eat meat if we were eating out or on special occasions -like xmas- in the house.

We have moved to flora, plant milk and plant based yoghurt.

I picked up a nutrition book I have had for years and never read and read the attached this week.

As for gamechangers, there is lots of critique levelled it’s way, based on sample size and things but it certainly struck a chord with me.

The thing I find is that the debate is so polarised. I want a piece of independent work that tells us how much we need meat. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200110/4329114654a91866e62cb660a2c6538a.jpg

[Galahibby]

Never seen veggie black pudding but veggie haggis is good.

Aldi have vegan black pudding. They have a huge selection of vegetarian and vegan food.

[Alex Trager]

Apart from the leith part....I'd just go to an asian supermarket...I buy a lot of my stuff on amazon mainly because its hard to get out here & what you can get is pricey..Gluten, liquid smoke, hot sauces and any weird stuff I dont think I'll find in town...Ive amazon prime so its a no brainer

You cant make your own tempeh ...Its got a taste unlike tofu..Bit nuttier..You can freeze it too..I make sweet potato al pastor with it from thug kitchen..One recipe I keep coming back to..

I took suppliments before anyway...cod liver oil, vit d, collagen & also in the morning a scoop of green powder (hion ultimate blend) to get off to an alkalising start to the day...All but the green powder (amazon on repeat) I get from iherb.com

Yeah I know about the asian places. I was just hoping for some local knowledge so I did not have to go searching and comparing!

Yeah I think I am going to try making some tempeh. I’ve never had it though.

Thanks for all the info it is much appreciated.

I’m looking into what vitamins are worth taking.

What about B12? Surprised you don’t take that?

[Dalianwanda]

Yeah I know about the asian places. I was just hoping for some local knowledge so I did not have to go searching and comparing!

Yeah I think I am going to try making some tempeh. I’ve never had it though.

Thanks for all the info it is much appreciated.

I’m looking into what vitamins are worth taking.

What about B12? Surprised you don’t take that?

No probs at all..A lot of folk talk about b12..I've only taken the full vegan step recently so from what everyones saying, I should...I may just look into getting a decent multi vitamin to cover all the bases. Recently had blood checks, stool tests & colostomy & everything is as it should be which is cool. But yeah I'll cover b12 in some way will be in my next order :-)

[bigwheel]

No probs at all..A lot of folk talk about b12..I've only taken the full vegan step recently so from what everyones saying, I should...I may just look into getting a decent multi vitamin to cover all the bases. Recently had blood checks, stool tests & colostomy & everything is as it should be which is cool. But yeah I'll cover b12 in some way will be in my next order :-)

Interestingly it is an issue for everyone as people age....Most 50 plus year old , regardless of diet have b12. deficiencies..they are recommended to take Supplements. B12 used to be natural in the soil..but as soil qualities reduce , b12 is now a supplement into animal feed to give meat the right levels of b12..

So this is not really a vegan only topic ....

[Dmas]

I’ve always been much like you although recently, as noted on this thread, we decided to start eating veggie during the week.

I always said I would only go vegan because of the environment, but then a few weeks prior to xmas I watched gamechangers.

I was sat there watching it thinking ‘how can I continue to eat meat knowing what it does to enviro and now my body?’

We decided there and then that we would only eat meat if we were eating out or on special occasions -like xmas- in the house.

We have moved to flora, plant milk and plant based yoghurt.

I picked up a nutrition book I have had for years and never read and read the attached this week.

As for gamechangers, there is lots of critique levelled it’s way, based on sample size and things but it certainly struck a chord with me.

The thing I find is that the debate is so polarised. I want a piece of independent work that tells us how much we need meat. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200110/4329114654a91866e62cb660a2c6538a.jpg

There’s a podcast on YouTube, you can get it on your phone too but in this case for diagrams and things it’s best watched on YouTube, it’s called The Joe Rogan Experience, don’t know if you know of him already but incase you don’t he’s a very marmite character, anyway he has an episode where his guest Chris Kresser totally debunk the game changers, there is then another episode where joe, Chris and James wilks debate it all, it’s 4hrs long he defends every aspect of that film it’s really incredible to see I highly recommend watching it, it may answer a lot of questions you had after watching it.

I’ve still not made the leap to vegan I’ve started stock piling recipes and got a couple of cookbooks over Xmas but still eating fish and eggs I’m unsure if I can drop them completely to be honest

[Alex Trager]

There’s a podcast on YouTube, you can get it on your phone too but in this case for diagrams and things it’s best watched on YouTube, it’s called The Joe Rogan Experience, don’t know if you know of him already but incase you don’t he’s a very marmite character, anyway he has an episode where his guest Chris Kresser totally debunk the game changers, there is then another episode where joe, Chris and James wilks debate it all, it’s 4hrs long he defends every aspect of that film it’s really incredible to see I highly recommend watching it, it may answer a lot of questions you had after watching it.

I’ve still not made the leap to vegan I’ve started stock piling recipes and got a couple of cookbooks over Xmas but still eating fish and eggs I’m unsure if I can drop them completely to be honest

I’ve watched some of Rogan and I have heard of the first episode.
I know that Rogan hates Vegans though so I expect he will not be pro the programme.

But if you say there is another episode with them all debating It I may well watch that.
It’s better to have a balanced debate.

I just wish more health services for example would come out ‘backing’ or not veganism so we could say with more confidence that it is a suitable diet and recommended.

It’s too hard to tell with everyone else, they could so easily be paid for by vegan companies or the meat industry

[Colr]

Why would anyone hate vegans?

[Pretty Boy]

I went my weekly shop last night and for the 1st time ever there wasn't a single item of meat in the trolley. Made fajitas last night and subbed in kidney beans for chicken, no complaints from anyone. My 2 year old eats just about anything you put in front of her, her mother is usually the problem but she ate them with no fuss. A couple of meat substitutes (veggie sausages for a casserole for exanple) but I'll get more adventurous as I go.

Still on milk and cheese for now but baby steps and all that.

[neil7908]

Where do you guys that live in the Leith area buy your essentials IE lentils and beans.

I know that there are asian stores that people talk about but I am looking to tap into the wealth of knowledge and experience built up over the years!

As for things like tofu and tempeh, do you guys know the cheapest places to buy them? Or do any of you make them?

I’ve not yet had tempeh but eager to try it.

As I said, I could no doubt go and find all this out myself but I am eager to just use you guys’ experiences.

Finally, who take vitamin sups? And what do you take? And where from?!

Cheers guys.
Much appreciated as ever.

I'm in Leith and there's a place called Global Foods that is great. Its just off Easter Road near the stadium and is a big warehouse style supermarket. It has a massive selection of lentils, plus loads of other products. It's mostly Indian food but has plenty of stuff from other parts of Asia.

There's also a place called Weigh to go on Leith Walk that allows you to bring your own packaging and buy various things in bulk based on weight.

Not necessarily at the cheaper end of the scale but brilliant in terms of options is the first vegan grocery store in Edinburgh, Easter Greens. It's at the very top of Easter Road. Is quite small but we've found loads of great things like vegan fish sauce that you just can't get anywhere else.

Real Foods on Broughton Street is brilliant but like Easter Greens, can be tough on the wallet. They have a great selection of vegan foods though, including healthy stuff, lentils and pulses but also some junk food. Holland and Barrett are a decent shout as well and there is one in Ocean Terminal that has good stocks of vegan food and vitamins.

To be honest, your general supermarkets have also come on leaps and bounds. I do most of my shopping at Sainsbury's Meadowbank or the Tesco at the bottom of Leith Walk and while not prefect, they have a pretty good selection these days.

For vitamins I take a vegan multi vitamin from Holland and Barret. They are often doing a penny sale so you get basically get 2 for the price of one. I've just ordered omega 3 from a site called My vegan. Haven't been taking it long enough to give it a good review but they are doing 40% off in January so works out very reasonably with the discount. I used to take a separate B12 supplement but the vegan multi vitamin contains 100% of your B12 and you'll find a lot of vegan products are fortified with B12 - things like soy milk, lots of cereals, some mock meats, margarines, nutritional yeast etc all have B12. I'm going to keep an eye on my B12 levels though to see if I'm getting enough.

Let me know if you have any other questions!

[neil7908]

I’ve watched some of Rogan and I have heard of the first episode.
I know that Rogan hates Vegans though so I expect he will not be pro the programme.

But if you say there is another episode with them all debating It I may well watch that.
It’s better to have a balanced debate.

I just wish more health services for example would come out ‘backing’ or not veganism so we could say with more confidence that it is a suitable diet and recommended.

It’s too hard to tell with everyone else, they could so easily be paid for by vegan companies or the meat industry

I think the honest answer is that veganism isn't inherently healthy or unhealthy, it's all up the individual and what they eat.

If you are vegan but eat chips and the Greggs sausage roll for lunch every day you'll be in trouble but it's the same with meat eaters.

I always find it strange the fuss over the vegan diet when we have an obesity crisis in this country - that certainly won't be vegans fault!

What I would say is that there are more challenges to being vegan. There are clearly things you need to work harder to get like protein, B12 and omega 3. But I'd also question how many meat eaters are getting enough of those.

Like any major change in diet you need to do some research and tread carefully (as you are doing).

My personal, completely non scientific view is that it's undoubtedly healthier for me as I've cut out loads of crappy processed foods that I'd often indulge in like pizza, chocolate etc. I was veggie for ages but I don't actually think my diet was that great - too much cheese, bread, fried stuff etc.

Going vegan has made me try different foods, eat more veg and ultimately think about my diet and what's going in my body. I'm generally fairly relaxed about dairy though and when I'm on holiday or at someone else's house tend to eat veggie rather than vegan.

[Dalianwanda]

Why would anyone hate vegans?

Some folk just dislike difference...I've had more negative stuff from people though when I go off the drink..End of the day its them that are making a thing about it..I couldnt give a **** about what others eat unless Im directly concerned about their health

[Dalianwanda]

Interestingly it is an issue for everyone as people age....Most 50 plus year old , regardless of diet have b12. deficiencies..they are recommended to take Supplements. B12 used to be natural in the soil..but as soil qualities reduce , b12 is now a supplement into animal feed to give meat the right levels of b12..

So this is not really a vegan only topic ....

I did not know that, will defo get a multi vit that covers that base...thanks for the info

[neil7908]

I did not know that, will defo get a multi vit that covers that base...thanks for the info

See my post on the last page. Holland and Barrett do a good vegan multi vitamin including B12. Can usually get a deal on them to make them a bit more affordable.

[Dalianwanda]

See my post on the last page. Holland and Barrett do a good vegan multi vitamin including B12. Can usually get a deal on them to make them a bit more affordable.

I actually went to your other recommendation and got two jars there with the 40% off ...So thanks for that 👍😀

[neil7908]

I actually went to your other recommendation and got two jars there with the 40% off ...So thanks for that 👍😀

No worries!

[Pete]

Had a 'moving mountains' burger the other night, all the taste of meat but it just felt lighter.

Becoming vegetarian or even vegan is something I'd like to do but more research is definitely needed.

[Pretty Boy]

I watched a documentary during the Xmas holidays on Netflix call The Game Changers, that followed a guy who used a Vegan diet to aid his recovery from a serious injury. I'm no athlete, nor am I Vegan, but I was intrigued by what the guy experienced. There's a bit where he compares his performance on a piece of gym apparatus before and after and, if it's genuine, it's pretty compelling. As a result I'm now eating much less meat than before to see what effects is has. The documentary is definitely worth a watch for those with any interest in Veganism and/or the impact it has on physical health.

The Tennessee Titans, who featured heavily in the Game Changers documentary with several of their players changing to a vegan diet, have just made the AFC Championship game. One game away from the Superbowl. Their best performance in 13 years and only their 2nd play off appearance in 11 seasons.......

[Lucky_Jim]

What's the view amongst the more experienced veggies/vegans on here about the plant based meat substitute products? I recently bought a selection of the Vivera range of items, including the plant burger, greek kebab and escalopes. I've had the first two and been very pleasantly surprised by the taste, flavour and texture - they certainly sated my craving for meat (I've decided to attempt 6 months of pescatarianism from the start of this year).

I wonder, though, what the health effects of these types of food are. They are marketed as being high in protein and certain vitamins but are heavily processed - in the case of the burger it is rehydrated soya and wheat. What I don't know is the health and nutritional effects of foods like this - are they, for example, high in fats and calories?

I'd appreciate any advice. While I've been eating a lot of fish and salads since the start of the year, I'm still trying to find my way through a lot of meat-free eating and in particular what quick/convenient foods I can consume when I'm short on time or effort. I'd like to be going for healthy options and also want to avoid eating cheese with every meal!

Cheers,
Jim

[hibsbollah]

The Tennessee Titans, who featured heavily in the Game Changers documentary with several of their players changing to a vegan diet, have just made the AFC Championship game. One game away from the Superbowl. Their best performance in 13 years and only their 2nd play off appearance in 11 seasons.......

...and we all know that if a dietary regime can catapault a serial failure like Ryan Tannehill to a NFL championship game, it's probably worth trying :greengrin

My daughter is a vegan. My biggest problem in joining her is missing a proper cup of tea in the morning. Soya milk in tea just doesn't work.

[Dalianwanda]

Was looking for some sort of replacement for ice cream....Ive been craving it today! What I ended up with you would swear was dairy (well I would).

Banana Ice Cream with Almond Brittle

For the ice cream chop up four ripe bananas & freeze them (thats all the ingredients!).....Then make the brittle but crushing a handful of almonds mix with two tablespoons of maple syrup and flatten onto a baking sheet & sprinkled on some sea salt too...bake at 175 for 9 minutes...Take out & let it cool down & harden..

Once bananas are frozen chuck them in the blender & blend for 3-5mins.....You can eat it like that (kinda soft) or pop it back in the freezer to set..

Cant get over how creamy it was......Mind blown.....Serve with broken up bits of the brittle on top :thumbsup:

[speedy_gonzales]

Was looking for some sort of replacement for ice cream....Ive been craving it today! What I ended up with you would swear was dairy (well I would).

Banana Ice Cream with Almond Brittle

For the ice cream chop up four ripe bananas & freeze them (thats all the ingredients!).....Then make the brittle but crushing a handful of almonds mix with two tablespoons of maple syrup and flatten onto a baking sheet & sprinkled on some sea salt too...bake at 175 for 9 minutes...Take out & let it cool down & harden..

Once bananas are frozen chuck them in the blender & blend for 3-5mins.....You can eat it like that (kinda soft) or pop it back in the freezer to set..

Cant get over how creamy it was......Mind blown.....Serve with broken up bits of the brittle on top :thumbsup:

Add a little honey (is honey vegan???)and lime juice to your bananas when blitzing,,,, you can thank me later!

[Dalianwanda]

Add a little honey (is honey vegan???)and lime juice to your bananas when blitzing,,,, you can thank me later!

Ah cool, will give that a go tmrw (gonna a tub for myself while my mrs is out partying)....honey isn’t but i’ll still use it as no harm done to bees 😉)

thanks in advance!

[speedy_gonzales]

Ah cool, will give that a go tmrw (gonna a tub for myself while my mrs is out partying)....honey isn’t but i’ll still use it as no harm done to bees 😉)

thanks in advance!

In lieu of honey, you could always try agave syrup.

[Colr]

This was very good.

https://www.theguardian.com/food/2020/jan/20/thomasina-miers-recipe-for-vegetarian-chilli-with-roasted-squash-and-black-beans

[pollution]

Add a little honey (is honey vegan???)and lime juice to your bananas when blitzing,,,, you can thank me later!


Honey is neither organic nor vegan, apparently.

[Green Man]

I’ve been enjoying eating mainly vegetarian during the day, with a variety of pakora and falafel providing a more than adequate meat replacement as a bagel filling. This week we’re having a whole week of vegetarian teas as well; peanut halloumi curry on Monday, which was good and will improve as we get used to cooking it, and stir fry veg rice bowls last night, in which I didn’t miss the usual chicken at all. Tonight is a spinach and ricotta pizza which I’ve always enjoyed anyway (although it is especially good with added chorizo, but I’m happy to forgo that).

[Dalianwanda]

I’ve been enjoying eating mainly vegetarian during the day, with a variety of pakora and falafel providing a more than adequate meat replacement as a bagel filling. This week we’re having a whole week of vegetarian teas as well; peanut halloumi curry on Monday, which was good and will improve as we get used to cooking it, and stir fry veg rice bowls last night, in which I didn’t miss the usual chicken at all. Tonight is a spinach and ricotta pizza which I’ve always enjoyed anyway (although it is especially good with added chorizo, but I’m happy to forgo that).

Heres a wee fake chorizo recipe for ye https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRFCsAOOZGk Happy Pear dudes do my head in but they have some decent recipes

[JeMeSouviens]

I'm not sure if this is the right thread, but interesting ...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/sep/06/meat-production-veganism-deforestation

[Dalianwanda]

I'm not sure if this is the right thread, but interesting ...

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2010/sep/06/meat-production-veganism-deforestation

I’ve read a few times that small scale ecologically minded farming will be the way things will go. Will be interesting to see the battle the big diary & meat producers put up. The ecological side of things isn’t high on my thinking when I’ve made my choice, at the end of what ever process animals are raped and slaughtered for our selfish benefit.

[neil7908]

I’ve read a few times that small scale ecologically minded farming will be the way things will go. Will be interesting to see the battle the big diary & meat producers put up. The ecological side of things isn’t high on my thinking when I’ve made my choice, at the end of what ever process animals are raped and slaughtered for our selfish benefit.

I agree. I like Monbiot but the type of farming being discussed here still resulting in high levels of animal cruelty. I therefore found this line extremely disappointing:

"But if we were to adopt it, we could eat meat, milk and eggs (albeit much less) with a clean Conscience".

That's a very strange line to include in an article around veganism. I know a lot of people do it for environmental reasons rather than animal rights but any method of farming animals to use them as food would not leave my conscience clear. I think this vision of happy little farms away from terrible mass production farming doesn't really stop animals being used as a commodity, which invariably will see them being exploited and standards dropping to increase profit.

[21.05.2016]

I don't mind anyone that chooses, for whatever reason, to be vegan/vegetarian. I really don't understand why people make such a big deal of it to be quite honest. If someone wants to eat or not eat meat then it has zero impact on me or my life.

What I don't like however is Vegan people who try to ram it down your throat and try to take this big moral high ground. I know personally a couple of vegan people who work near me and the stuff they share on facebook that make out basically if you eat meat your heartless, a bad person etc etc. I respect their lifestyle choice but they have to resect mine as well. Its a bit like religion, im not a religious person at all but I have absolutely nothing at all against any religion and fully believe people are entitled to believe in whatever they want (so long as its not harming anyone) but I can't stand people that try and ram their beliefs down others throats and try to make others feel inferior or wrong for not agreeing with them.

Live and let live, eat meat, don't eat meat I really don't care and strongly support everybodys freedom to live as they choose but please don't look down on people who live differently to you.

[neil7908]

I don't mind anyone that chooses, for whatever reason, to be vegan/vegetarian. I really don't understand why people make such a big deal of it to be quite honest. If someone wants to eat or not eat meat then it has zero impact on me or my life.

What I don't like however is Vegan people who try to ram it down your throat and try to take this big moral high ground. I know personally a couple of vegan people who work near me and the stuff they share on facebook that make out basically if you eat meat your heartless, a bad person etc etc. I respect their lifestyle choice but they have to resect mine as well. Its a bit like religion, im not a religious person at all but I have absolutely nothing at all against any religion and fully believe people are entitled to believe in whatever they want (so long as its not harming anyone) but I can't stand people that try and ram their beliefs down others throats and try to make others feel inferior or wrong for not agreeing with them.

Live and let live, eat meat, don't eat meat I really don't care and strongly support everybodys freedom to live as they choose but please don't look down on people who live differently to you.

With all respect, the line in your post below is why some vegans will be quite pushy on the subject:

"people are entitled to believe in whatever they want (so long as its not harming anyone".

Veganism of course sees a huge amount of harm in eating meat. I appreciate you don't see it that way and you are of course entitled to your own views on the matter but your own rules on freedom appear contradictory.

If people decided to start carrying out human sacrifice as part of their religion then you would presumably oppose this and quite vocally and strongly i hope. I'm guessing you wouldn't just shrug your shoulders and say to each their own.

To vegans they see terrible suffering being inflicted all around them for no real reason and in the circumstances, it's quite hard to not speak up.

I think a huge part of the issue is that many people don't want animals to suffer but just don't think about meat and what has to happen to get that steak on their plate.

Therefore a big focus for some vegans is on really getting people to think about how much suffering needs to happen for their dinner.

I don't agree with extreme vegan tactics as I think generally it puts people off but I think far too many folk are very uncomfortable thinking about what impact their actions have on the world and become extremely defensive as, deep down, they know veganism has the upper hand morally.

[Kato]

With all respect, the line in your post below is why some vegans will be quite pushy on the subject:

"people are entitled to believe in whatever they want (so long as its not harming anyone".

Veganism of course sees a huge amount of harm in eating meat. I appreciate you don't see it that way and you are of course entitled to your own views on the matter but your own rules on freedom appear contradictory.

If people decided to start carrying out human sacrifice as part of their religion then you would presumably oppose this and quite vocally and strongly i hope. I'm guessing you wouldn't just shrug your shoulders and say to each their own.

To vegans they see terrible suffering being inflicted all around them for no real reason and in the circumstances, it's quite hard to not speak up.

I think a huge part of the issue is that many people don't want animals to suffer but just don't think about meat and what has to happen to get that steak on their plate.

Therefore a big focus for some vegans is on really getting people to think about how much suffering needs to happen for their dinner.

I don't agree with extreme vegan tactics as I think generally it puts people off but I think far too many folk are very uncomfortable thinking about what impact their actions have on the world and become extremely defensive as, deep down, they know veganism has the upper hand morally.


Morality aside it seems it is everyone's business anyway. Producing one 1/4 pound beefburger releases the same amount of greenhouse gas emmisions as driving a car from Edinburgh to the West End of Glasgow. That just can't be sustainable. I say this as an ex-veggie of nine years (post the mad cow thingy, cheers messrs Creutzfeldt & Jakob) who now eats meat but is seriously thinking of changing back. Felt far healthier as a veggie anyway.

[Dalianwanda]

I had a go at making the BOSH! vegan popcorn chicken last night. Not because I wanted to replicate a chicken nugget (but this does) but mainly because I wanted some dirty fried food..As a dip I had some Buckfast BBQ sauce which was great with them..Highly recommended, I'll be making again! Heres the receipe (https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=189922395691229)

[number9dream]

Celtic now have a vegan kiosk at the stadium - hoops & roots...
Fans are all singing ‘kale, kale...’

[Green Reaper]

I have been changing my diet over the past few Months and don't eat meat anymore. I was prompted both by my GP's concerns for my health and also after watching Forks over Knives on Netflix. I have found it hard to go completely Vegan but have given up meat, milk, butter, eggs and more or less cheese. I have found that using some processed foids has made it easier to start. It seems like Linda McCartney range gets a bit of stick but a few of their products have helped such as the Mozzarella Burgers and the delicious Pulled Pork Burgers. Also, Farmfoods have a great range called Meat Free which includes Soy Mince, Meatballls and Chicken style pieces (great for curries). They also have Falafels which I put in Corn Wraps with Hummus and Chilli sauce (yummy!) Other things I found are Vegan sausages rolls in Aldi (much better than Greggs) and websites such as Elavegan (fantastic recupes, including cheese sauce) and Forks over Knives. I am cheating a bit but gradually cooking more recipes myself rather than buying processed foods. I do feel so much better and my Chloresteral levels have plummeted

[superfurryhibby]

I have been changing my diet over the past few Months and don't eat meat anymore. I was prompted both by my GP's concerns for my health and also after watching Forks over Knives on Netflix. I have found it hard to go completely Vegan but have given up meat, milk, butter, eggs and more or less cheese. I have found that using some processed foids has made it easier to start. It seems like Linda McCartney range gets a bit of stick but a few of their products have helped such as the Mozzarella Burgers and the delicious Pulled Pork Burgers. Also, Farmfoods have a great range called Meat Free which includes Soy Mince, Meatballls and Chicken style pieces (great for curries). They also have Falafels which I put in Corn Wraps with Hummus and Chilli sauce (yummy!) Other things I found are Vegan sausages rolls in Aldi (much better than Greggs) and websites such as Elavegan (fantastic recupes, including cheese sauce) and Forks over Knives. I am cheating a bit but gradually cooking more recipes myself rather than buying processed foods. I do feel so much better and my Chloresteral levels have plummeted


Aldi vegan sausage rolls are barri. The meat free burgers are also very good. They akso do vegan sweet potato burgers and falafel. The vegan ice cream is decent too. They were stocking vegan pizza, but seemed to have stopped that recently. They also have bio soya yogurt, but unfortunately it’s got a lot of sugar.

By the way I don’t work for Akdi, but I shop there or Lidl ( mostly Aldi). Such good value for money, even although some of their staff can be a bit unhelpful.

[Callum_62]

Starting Gousto tomorrow and avoiding all meat dishes

I've been pescatarian for years but wife and kid keen to try. I bet they are surprised by how good some of the meals can be

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[danhibees1875]

Starting Gousto tomorrow and avoiding all meat dishes

I've been pescatarian for years but wife and kid keen to try. I bet they are surprised by how good some of the meals can be

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I tried Gousto briefly at the start of the year.

It was really good. :aok:

[Dalianwanda]

Thats me just over two months completely meat & dairy free..Its actually been a lot easier than I thought it would be and thats mainly down to the briliant recipes I've been getting..My friend who runs a vegan restaurant put me onto this fella's stuff, looks amazing..Gonna give the home made mozzarella a go today, I want it specifically for pizza..She swears its brilliant & acts just like the real thing, Im a bit sceptical but she knows whats shes talking about https://schoolnightvegan.com/recipes/

[Alex Trager]

Thats me just over two months completely meat & dairy free..Its actually been a lot easier than I thought it would be and thats mainly down to the briliant recipes I've been getting..My friend who runs a vegan restaurant put me onto this fella's stuff, looks amazing..Gonna give the home made mozzarella a go today, I want it specifically for pizza..She swears its brilliant & acts just like the real thing, Im a bit sceptical but she knows whats shes talking about https://schoolnightvegan.com/recipes/

Where is your friends vegan restaurant?

[superfurryhibby]

Vegan pizza back at Aldi in Gilmerton Road,
Tried the Vegan meatballs, bowfing.

[Green Reaper]

Vegan pizza back at Aldi in Gilmerton Road,
Tried the Vegan meatballs, bowfing.

Try the 'meat free' meatballs from Farmfoods, I use these with tomato sauce and spaghetti and for meatball marinara subs

[Dalianwanda]

Where is your friends vegan restaurant?

In Sligo Town it’s called Sweetbeet....Doing great when no one gave it much of a chance at first.

[Alex Trager]

In Sligo Town it’s called Sweetbeet....Doing great when no one gave it much of a chance at first.

Ah I see. Glad it’s doing well!

How was the mozzarella?

[Dalianwanda]

Ah I see. Glad it’s doing well!

How was the mozzarella?

I’m an ingredient short...Waiting for my order of agar powder to arrive (didn’t realise it was needed till last minute.

Did make his wild mushroom fuselli which i was really pleased with. Masses of flavour made up for lack of cream or cheese. Really easy to make too.

[superfurryhibby]

I’m an ingredient short...Waiting for my order of agar powder to arrive (didn’t realise it was needed till last minute.

Did make his wild mushroom fuselli which i was really pleased with. Masses of flavour made up for lack of cream or cheese. Really easy to make too.

Soya cream Sainsburys. Made a lovely sauce tonight. Fried the mushrooms, onion, garlic and half a chilli, added salt and ground pepper, dried oregano. Fire in the soya cream. Served with spuds, boiled. Oh yabuetteo.

[Dalianwanda]

Soya cream Sainsburys. Made a lovely sauce tonight. Fried the mushrooms, onion, garlic and half a chilli, added salt and ground pepper, dried oregano. Fire in the soya cream. Served with spuds, boiled. Oh yabuetteo.

Sounds like a plan :-) Anything on spuds is a winner!

oh i finally made that vegan mozzarella...it’s so good, doesn’t taste like mozzarella but it does taste nice and cheesy. Better than anything i’ve bought & you can freeze it! melts bubbles browns and stretches just like the real thing.

[Dalianwanda]

That’s me 6 months in completely plant based eating and certainly won’t be going back. I think lockdown has actually helped as seeing as i do all my own cooking there’s been no temptation or feeling I’m missing out I may have got if bars/cafes/restaurants were open.

[bigwheel]

That’s me 6 months in completely plant based eating and certainly won’t be going back. I think lockdown has actually helped as seeing as i do all my own cooking there’s been no temptation or feeling I’m missing out I may have got if bars/cafes/restaurants were open.

Feeling better for it ? I’m not vegan, but pescatarian . Have been all year, after eating meat only 4-5 times during whole of last year too. Have fish once a week, rest of time it’s vegan or veggie food. Still quite surprised tbh as I was a committed carnivore all my life. Don’t miss it at all now. Eating better, tastier food..as you say, lockdown has helped as cooking everything from scratch.


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[Colr]

There may be an increase in vegetarianism if US meat is allowed into the UK.

[Dalianwanda]

Feeling better for it ? I’m not vegan, but pescatarian . Have been all year, after eating meat only 4-5 times during whole of last year too. Have fish once a week, rest of time it’s vegan or veggie food. Still quite surprised tbh as I was a committed carnivore all my life. Don’t miss it at all now. Eating better, tastier food..as you say, lockdown has helped as cooking everything from scratch.


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TBH I dont feel any better physically for it but I certainly dont feel any worse. Where I do feel better is with the choices Ive made. Im pleased that Ive managed to make the transition so that my actions are in line with my feelings. My mrs is pescatarian and still eats cheese although since Im now making cheese, mayonaise, butter & milk shes gradually moving across to fully plant-based.

I've noticed a subtle switch in terms of rather than noticing all the things I cant have Im now looking for the things I can. So the 'cants' arent as much of a problem, doesnt mean I dont fancy a juicy burger now and again.....

[Dalianwanda]

There may be an increase in vegetarianism if US meat is allowed into the UK.

Potentially, but its not the only meat that will be available....There will still be choice

[bigwheel]

TBH I dont feel any better physically for it but I certainly dont feel any worse. Where I do feel better is with the choices Ive made. Im pleased that Ive managed to make the transition so that my actions are in line with my feelings. My mrs is pescatarian and still eats cheese although since Im now making cheese, mayonaise, butter & milk shes gradually moving across to fully plant-based.

I've noticed a subtle switch in terms of rather than noticing all the things I cant have Im now looking for the things I can. So the 'cants' arent as much of a problem, doesnt mean I dont fancy a juicy burger now and again.....


thats a great summary - Nice one...tbh, and I never thought I'd say this - some of our homemade veggie burgers are getting just as good as any burgers I've had before..

[Colr]

Potentially, but its not the only meat that will be available....There will still be choice

The Americans do not want country if origin labelling or labelling as chlorine washed or hormone fed. It’ll be hard to tell especially with cheaper stuff, in processed food and restaurants.

I won’t be touching meat unless I can be sure where its come from. That will probably mean eating more expensive meat but a lot less often.

[Dalianwanda]

thats a great summary - Nice one...tbh, and I never thought I'd say this - some of our homemade veggie burgers are getting just as good as any burgers I've had before..

You should have a look at Veggie Burger Atelier by Nina Olson ...some great burger recipes in there.

[Pretty Boy]

See when it comes to chlorine washed chicken I assume the issue is around the overall welfare and hygiene standard as opposed to the process itself?

People are aware bagged salads, prepared vegetables and the like that aren't organic are already routinely washed in a chlorine solution? It's also common practice in some restaurants for veg, fruit and cleaning surfaces and utensils.

[bigwheel]

You should have a look at Veggie Burger Atelier by Nina Olson ...some great burger recipes in there.

[emoji108][emoji106]

[Colr]

See when it comes to chlorine washed chicken I assume the issue is around the overall welfare and hygiene standard as opposed to the process itself?

People are aware bagged salads, prepared vegetables and the like that aren't organic are already routinely washed in a chlorine solution? It's also common practice in some restaurants for veg, fruit and cleaning surfaces and utensils.

It is. The issue is why they have to chlorine wash it and also that its only partially effective.

American food is pretty **** generally. They can even make chocolate taste like cat sick.

[calumhibee1]

It is. The issue is why they have to chlorine wash it and also that its only partially effective.

American food is pretty **** generally. They can even make chocolate taste like cat sick.

Hershey’s put their chocolate through a process called lipolysis which creates butyric acid - compound which is also found in vomit. Hence the taste.

Why they do it I’ve no idea.

[Antifa Hibs]

See when it comes to chlorine washed chicken I assume the issue is around the overall welfare and hygiene standard as opposed to the process itself?

People are aware bagged salads, prepared vegetables and the like that aren't organic are already routinely washed in a chlorine solution? It's also common practice in some restaurants for veg, fruit and cleaning surfaces and utensils.

Regarding your first sentence what is the difference between the yanky chlorine stuff and chickens over here? One of the German shops or Iceland was selling a whole chicken for under 4 quid when i was last in. Imported from Romania or Bulgaria i'm sure it said. Can't imagine animal welfare of the latter was any good at that price point?

[Pretty Boy]

Regarding your first sentence what is the difference between the yanky chlorine stuff and chickens over here? One of the German shops or Iceland was selling a whole chicken for under 4 quid when i was last in. Imported from Romania or Bulgaria i'm sure it said. Can't imagine animal welfare of the latter was any good at that price point?

Animal welfare for most UK supermarket chickens is horrendous. I dread to think what conditions must be like in the US if it's worse.

One of the reasons I no longer eat meat.

[SideBurns]

Animal welfare for most UK supermarket chickens is horrendous. I dread to think what conditions must be like in the US if it's worse.

One of the reasons I no longer eat meat.

I've got a horrible feeling you're going to put me off, but... I am going to buy a British free range chicken for a roast dinner tomorrow. I'm sure vegetarians could give me many reasons why I shouldn't, but buying a British free range bird makes me feel comfortable that welfare conditions have been pretty good...

[Pretty Boy]

I've got a horrible feeling you're going to put me off, but... I am going to buy a British free range chicken for a roast dinner tomorrow. I'm sure vegetarians could give me many reasons why I shouldn't, but buying a British free range bird makes me feel comfortable that welfare conditions have been pretty good...

There's free range chicken and free range chicken. These 2 articles are quite interesting and explain some of the nuances well:

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/food-and-drink/organic-chicken-daylesford-farm-highwelfare-better-a8504166.html

https://www.ciwf.org.uk/farm-animals/chickens/meat-chickens/

[Colr]

I've got a horrible feeling you're going to put me off, but... I am going to buy a British free range chicken for a roast dinner tomorrow. I'm sure vegetarians could give me many reasons why I shouldn't, but buying a British free range bird makes me feel comfortable that welfare conditions have been pretty good...

If the Americans get their way, you won’t know if its British.

[Keyser Sauzee]

Taking the plunge and going vegetarian, think it will be really difficult for me as I am also beginning a new workout program so meeting my macros is the hard part. I am confident I will be able to meet my calorie target but I think meeting my protein target is going to be difficult without going heavy on the carbs which I am trying to avoid doing. I have been reading up on Tofu, Tempeh and Seitan and was looking for people’s experiences using these. Also has anyone tried making their own version aswell? Thanks

[bigwheel]

Taking the plunge and going vegetarian, think it will be really difficult for me as I am also beginning a new workout program so meeting my macros is the hard part. I am confident I will be able to meet my calorie target but I think meeting my protein target is going to be difficult without going heavy on the carbs which I am trying to avoid doing. I have been reading up on Tofu, Tempeh and Seitan and was looking for people’s experiences using these. Also has anyone tried making their own version aswell? Thanks

As a previous devoted meat eater, who is now pescatarian..I like tofu, as long as it is prepped well and in decent sauce / flavours. Sweet and sour tofu is one of my favourites ..lots of different options ...

[Keyser Sauzee]

As a previous devoted meat eater, who is now pescatarian..I like tofu, as long as it is prepped well and in decent sauce / flavours. Sweet and sour tofu is one of my favourites ..lots of different options ...

I tinkered with the idea of pescatarian but thought I’d go full veggie for as long as I can. How often a week do u eat Tofu? Im trying to stay away from soy as much as I can but I know I will have to eat it a couple times a week. Have u tried Tempeh or Seitan?

[bigwheel]

I tinkered with the idea of pescatarian but thought I’d go full veggie for as long as I can. How often a week do u eat Tofu? Im trying to stay away from soy as much as I can but I know I will have to eat it a couple times a week. Have u tried Tempeh or Seitan?

Only around once a week ..tbh. Fish is only max once a week for me too..so dominant veggie diet now for around 18 months ....

Have tried seitan. Not tempeh yet...not quite got in to them yet ...but do our quite a lot of soya beans in recipes..

I mainly eat made from scratch veggie dishes ..have to say. Really enjoy it..I’d say my food is not only better. But tastier than my old meat based diet was ... enjoy it more ..

[Mibbes Aye]

Taking the plunge and going vegetarian, think it will be really difficult for me as I am also beginning a new workout program so meeting my macros is the hard part. I am confident I will be able to meet my calorie target but I think meeting my protein target is going to be difficult without going heavy on the carbs which I am trying to avoid doing. I have been reading up on Tofu, Tempeh and Seitan and was looking for people’s experiences using these. Also has anyone tried making their own version aswell? Thanks

At your stage, then oily fish a couple of times a week, beans and pulses as a sub for meat three or four times a week in regular dishes like stews, moussakas and lasagnes, then meat subs like Quorn in Indian or Chinese style meals. Then build it from there. If you want true veg then you have to drop the fish and focus on things like tofu or quinoa, jackfruit maybe. It is a mixture and different veg complement different proteins.

[Dalianwanda]

I tinkered with the idea of pescatarian but thought I’d go full veggie for as long as I can. How often a week do u eat Tofu? Im trying to stay away from soy as much as I can but I know I will have to eat it a couple times a week. Have u tried Tempeh or Seitan?

I was just writing out some receipes for a friend & thought Id add the here since you were looking for ideas for tempeh & tofu...Generally my go to is dals & currys..But heres the other stuff thats helped make the full plant based transition that bit easier

Mozzarella -*https://schoolnightvegan.com/home/super-cheesy-vegan-mozzarella/
Parmesan -*https://minimalistbaker.com/how-to-make-vegan-parmesan-cheese/
Sour Cream -*https://www.hotforfoodblog.com/recipes/2014/08/19/cashew-sour-cream/
Mayo -*https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/may/19/meera-sodha-recipe-vegan-chilli-burgers-garlic-mayo
Oat Milk -*https://minimalistbaker.com/make-oat-milk/

Tofu*
Tofu Scramble -*https://www.hotforfoodblog.com/recipes/2014/07/11/the-perfect-tofu-scramble/
Black Pepper Tofu -*https://ottolenghi.co.uk/recipes/black-pepper-tofu-a
Crispy Chilli Tofu -*https://www.bosh.tv/recipes/crispy-chilli-tofu

Tempeh
Thug Kitchens Al Pastor -*https://www.epicurious.com/recipes/member/views/thug-kitchen-sweet-potato-al-pastor-tacos-5b5371433e9ef72048274cb4
BBQ Banh Mi -*https://www.hotforfoodblog.com/recipes/2015/04/27/bbq-tempeh-banh-mi-sandwich/
Tempeh Croutons ( miso green bean with this she mentions are amazing) -*https://www.hotforfoodblog.com/recipes/2020/05/06/seasoned-tempeh-croutons/

Misc
Cauliflower Buffalo Wings -*https://www.hotforfoodblog.com/recipes/2014/02/11/cauliflower-buffalo-wings/
Mac & Cheese -*https://schoolnightvegan.com/home/vegan-mac-and-cheese/
BBQ Jackfruit Pizza with Garlic Cream - https://www.hotforfoodblog.com/recipes/2017/08/09/bbq-jackfruit-pizza-with-creamy-garlic-sauce/

[green&left]

Richmond meat free sausages. Easily the best vegan/veggie effort out there, miles better than yer Quorn and Linda McCartney efforts.

2 sausages, tattie scone, well fired roll and hp - magic. Seriously would struggle to tell there's no meat in them.

[bigwheel]

Richmond meat free sausages. Easily the best vegan/veggie effort out there, miles better than yer Quorn and Linda McCartney efforts.

2 sausages, tattie scone, well fired roll and hp - magic. Seriously would struggle to tell there's no meat in them.

Yes. They are the business ..might be too “meaty” for some veggies though ...

[neil7908]

Richmond meat free sausages. Easily the best vegan/veggie effort out there, miles better than yer Quorn and Linda McCartney efforts.

2 sausages, tattie scone, well fired roll and hp - magic. Seriously would struggle to tell there's no meat in them.

Never seen them before but looks like Tesco have them. Will definitely check them out.

[easty]

Richmond meat free sausages. Easily the best vegan/veggie effort out there, miles better than yer Quorn and Linda McCartney efforts.

2 sausages, tattie scone, well fired roll and hp - magic. Seriously would struggle to tell there's no meat in them.

They're really good, as is the Simon Howie veggie square sausage :aok:

[Dalianwanda]

Going full on plant based has been pretty simple but I think that’s due to the fact i’ve been cooking for myself in lockdown.

Working in Galway & the hotel i’m in doesn’t to vegan. They tried to give me a salad with feta as according to the chef it’s not dairy 😅 Chips & onion rings for the next couple of days.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Well, I've done a year without falling off the wagon. I've only been tempted a couple of times when drunk, when I had thoughts of a big greasy kebab. However, I resisted, and overall it hasn't been difficult, and I wish I'd done it long ago. I've lost around two stones as a result of staying away from fast food; an occasional pizza is my only takeaway food.

[superfurryhibby]

They're really good, as is the Simon Howie veggie square sausage :aok:

That sliced sausage is barri. Aldi seem to have returned to stocking it, after some months off the shelves. My teenage boys like the old Lorne sausage and say the vegan one is pretty decent too.

[Northernhibee]

This is a great thread - my partner's personal trainer challenged her to do a vegan week last week as part of her nutrition. She lost a ton of weight in that one week and although I only lost a pound I enjoyed it very much.

We're looking to do vegan food five days a week. It's partially to help us with weight loss but as my partner has intolerances for lactose and gluten that can leave her very bloated at best and downright unwell at worst, the last week has been a huge help too. Home made spicy beanburgers, five bean and seven vegetable chilli, jackfruit burritos, cauliflower wings - all good stuff to try out.

Don't know if I could do seven days a week but five is defo manageable and wouldn't rule out changing to seven days out of seven in the future.

[Mibbes Aye]

This is a great thread - my partner's personal trainer challenged her to do a vegan week last week as part of her nutrition. She lost a ton of weight in that one week and although I only lost a pound I enjoyed it very much.

We're looking to do vegan food five days a week. It's partially to help us with weight loss but as my partner has intolerances for lactose and gluten that can leave her very bloated at best and downright unwell at worst, the last week has been a huge help too. Home made spicy beanburgers, five bean and seven vegetable chilli, jackfruit burritos, cauliflower wings - all good stuff to try out.

Don't know if I could do seven days a week but five is defo manageable and wouldn't rule out changing to seven days out of seven in the future.

I have fluctuated over the years between carnivorous, pescatarian, fully vegetarian. I have a few vegan recipes that I will use but never gone fully vegan. Currently I sit predominantly pescatarian, but more veggie than fish, with meat maybe once a week, twice at most.

If I do eat meat it tends to be slow cooker recipes. I am lucky (sort of) that there is limited takeaway provision where I stay so a Szechuan beef or a lamb jalfrezi is very much a rare treat. We used to eat out a lot but that hasn’t been the case for months now - when we did, I was always likely to go for a steak or venison, maybe halibut or turbot if it was on the menu, but we have gotten a fair amount of that sort of stuff from Donald Russell. It is not the same as eating out but the offers and deals have been difficult to turn down.

What I have found is that the digestive system seems to change - once you are used to being fully veggie or even pescatarian, it can feel really uncomfortable to eat meat with any regularity once your body adapts to meat-free.

[green&left]

They're really good, as is the Simon Howie veggie square sausage :aok:

Tried that at the weekend. Surprisingly good. The grilled one was a bit bland but the one fryed in a wee touch of oil hit the spot.


Also just tried two vegan pesto's. Scala (the Italian brand you'll see in all supermarkets) was very good. Hard to tell the difference. Zest which i found at Morrisons was ok - quite vinegary so might be better for salads as opposed to hot dishes (down to quid though so can't complain).

Been on oat milk for my cereal and switched to alpro yoghurt and both absolutely fine. Not much more expensive than the dairy stuff either.

[green&left]

Been dairy free now for 3 weeks. What a difference. Any fellow IBS sufferers i'd give it a go if you think dairy could be a trigger. (On top of that some back/shoulder spots i've had since teenage years have completely vanished - doctors had tried everything from lotions to antibiotics and now they're gone! Also losed a bit weight due to not having a temptation of picking up a mars bar and a steak bake etc. Win win win for me :thumbsup: )

[Northernhibee]

After the vegan/vegetarian weeks earlier in the year as challenged by my partners personal trainer, we barely eat meat more than twice a week now. The smell of it cooking puts me right off so only have it if we're eating out or having a takeaway. Not been drinking for the last few months either and losing weight, sleeping well, nice positive mindset and enjoying cooking new food.

Made a roasted Mediterranian vegetable lasagne for tea tonight from scratch and largely without a recipe and it was mega. Diced mixed peppers, courgettes, aubergine, red onion and carrots, tossed in olive oil, a little balsamic and smoked sea salt flakes then baked til there was a bit of a char on it. Added to a nice tomato and chilli sauce and built the lasagne as you normally would from there.

[neil7908]

Interested to get people's thoughts on this:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/02/no-kill-lab-grown-meat-to-go-on-sale-for-first-time

As a long time veggie I'd be quite happy to have this but my partner who is also vegetarian is totally against it.

[superfurryhibby]

Interested to get people's thoughts on this:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/02/no-kill-lab-grown-meat-to-go-on-sale-for-first-time

As a long time veggie I'd be quite happy to have this but my partner who is also vegetarian is totally against it.

Lab produced, no kill meat, it sounds horrific. No doubt it will be full of all kinds of additives to make it taste just like real meat, lol.

If you really want meat, better off going down to your local butcher and I say that as someone who has been vegetarian for 35 years and dairy free for nearly two.

[overdrive]

Interested to get people's thoughts on this:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/02/no-kill-lab-grown-meat-to-go-on-sale-for-first-time

As a long time veggie I'd be quite happy to have this but my partner who is also vegetarian is totally against it.

I wonder what the "vaccine is GM junk" brigade make of this.

Although not veggie or vegan, I reduced my consumption of meat when I was diagnosed with extremely high cholesterol at the end of 2018. I've upped my meat intake since meeting my girlfriend as she loves her meat (oooh... er) but I've introduced her to the likes of tofu and Quorn.

I was making Quorn sweet and sour last night but couldn't get any of the Quorn pieces so got Quorn nuggets for the first time instead. I genuinely thought they tasted the exact same as a chicken nugget.

[neil7908]

Lab produced, no kill meat, it sounds horrific. No doubt it will be full of all kinds of additives to make it taste just like real meat, lol.

If you really want meat, better off going down to your local butcher and I say that as someone who has been vegetarian for 35 years and dairy free for nearly two.

Its not the health issues that stopped me eating meat, it was animal welfare, which is why I won't be going near a butcher. Lots of veggie food right now is heavily processed but I still have a veggie burger etc for a treat sometimes.

Personally I think this is going to be huge in the future and don't see any problems with it. I'd certainly give it a try.

[superfurryhibby]

Its not the health issues that stopped me eating meat, it was animal welfare, which is why I won't be going near a butcher. Lots of veggie food right now is heavily processed but I still have a veggie burger etc for a treat sometimes.

Personally I think this is going to be huge in the future and don't see any problems with it. I'd certainly give it a try.

Veganism is the only way forward for those who’s conscience is troubled by animal welfare. However, it’s an each to their own scenario for me.

Processed food is fine in small doses. Mostly I just eat the real stuff though. Stopped the soya and other similar products.

[Dalianwanda]

Interested to get people's thoughts on this:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/02/no-kill-lab-grown-meat-to-go-on-sale-for-first-time

As a long time veggie I'd be quite happy to have this but my partner who is also vegetarian is totally against it.

Sure it’s tasty but sounds manky...I think i’ll pass...This is great tho if you want some faux chicken http://schoolnightvegan.com/home/vegan-fried-chicken/

[allmodcons]

Sure it’s tasty but sounds manky...I think i’ll pass...This is great tho if you want some faux chicken http://schoolnightvegan.com/home/vegan-fried-chicken/

I'm veggie but doubt I would eat this stuff.

That said, it could have a huge positive impact - 130 million chickens slaughtered everyday!!!

[Dalianwanda]

I'm veggie but doubt I would eat this stuff.

That said, it could have a huge positive impact - 130 million chickens slaughtered everyday!!!




Anything to stop needless slaughter and abuse of animals is great. It’s also good to have alternatives to the alternatives :-)

[Hibernia&Alba]

What are .net vegetarians having for Christmas dinner in place of turkey?

[bigwheel]

What are .net vegetarians having for Christmas dinner in place of turkey?

Homemade nut roast [emoji106]

[Hibernia&Alba]

Homemade nut roast [emoji106]

Just ordering some Christmas messages at Tesco online now. I'm going for the Quorn family roast.

[AugustaHibs]

https://twitter.com/_cinnamoro11_/status/1335276806065192960?s=21

This is why I find a lot of vegans on social media intolerable. How in any way can the two be compared?

[Hibernia&Alba]

https://twitter.com/_cinnamoro11_/status/1335276806065192960?s=21

This is why I find a lot of vegans on social media intolerable. How in any way can the two be compared?

I don't do social media, other than Facebook, so I can keep in touch with a few old school friends who now live abroad. I have no interest in what John Bull in Plymouth or Stonehaven thinks about Brexit or the latest crap on the telly.

[Northernhibee]

https://twitter.com/_cinnamoro11_/status/1335276806065192960?s=21

This is why I find a lot of vegans on social media intolerable. How in any way can the two be compared?

Some are disappointed in Morrissey showing support for the notable right wing, when he compared the Norway massacre to KFC and McDonalds he did a lot of damage and showed his colours then.

Way too many people looking to alienate those with a different view than reason with them.

[Dalianwanda]

There’s idiots everywhere no matter their diet. Meat eaters that keep telling you how much they are going to enjoy a juicy steak for tea as if it’s going to trigger me. Pointing out I’m missing out on B12 when half of them have no clue about what vits & minerals they get from their own diet.

The self righteousness from elements of both sides can be a real turn off. I was kinda shocked into going fully plant based so I fine with that but to come from a place of being better than another for what you put into your body is wrong.

[neil7908]

There’s idiots everywhere no matter their diet. Meat eaters that keep telling you how much they are going to enjoy a juicy steak for tea as if it’s going to trigger me. Pointing out I’m missing out on B12 when half of them have no clue about what vits & minerals they get from their own diet.

The self righteousness from elements of both sides can be a real turn off. I was kinda shocked into going fully plant based so I fine with that but to come from a place of being better than another for what you put into your body is wrong.

Agree 100% with this. There are definitely plenty of sanctimonious vegans around but I've come across many, many more meat eaters who are desperate to shove their love of meat in my face (yes, sometimes literally).

[Dalianwanda]

What are .net vegetarians having for Christmas dinner in place of turkey?

Ive just been told Im doing the cooking for Christmas Day. Ive done it before a couple of times & do enjoy it but this time I'll be doing it at my inlaws house & will be my first time doing it plant based (Im the only one who is plant based, my fiances is pescaterian & the rest of them full blown carnivores). They know the food will be tasty so are happy out that theres no meat or dairy involved.

So Im going full out for tastiness so they dont miss their usual christmas fayre. Last year I did a seitan roast wrapped around apricot & sage stuffing so I'll do something similar to this https://veganhuggs.com/vegan-holiday-roast/ I'll also do a wellington..Thinking this one looks good https://www.hotforfoodblog.com/recipes/2016/11/15/thanksgiving-roast/ Then all the usuals roast veggies with crushed cherry toms/white wine vinegar & rosemary, roasties, these sprouts https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/chilli-charred-brussels-sprouts..A nice rich gravy & bread sauce and homemade cranberry sauce..I make my own non dairy cheese so have that melted with aubergine & tomato sauce for starter.....Some sort of soup?..Probably vanilla cheesecake to finish with banana/peanut butter icecream & chocolate cashew cream for pud............Thats the plan at the moment anyway.....

Day time snacks the sausage roll recipes I posted further up the page, cauliflower hot wings (again further up the page)..onion bajis & what ever else is easy to make & stick in the oven..

[Hibernia&Alba]

Ive just been told Im doing the cooking for Christmas Day. Ive done it before a couple of times & do enjoy it but this time I'll be doing it at my inlaws house & will be my first time doing it plant based (Im the only one who is plant based, my fiances is pescaterian & the rest of them full blown carnivores). They know the food will be tasty so are happy out that theres no meat or dairy involved.

So Im going full out for tastiness so they dont miss their usual christmas fayre. Last year I did a seitan roast wrapped around apricot & sage stuffing so I'll do something similar to this https://veganhuggs.com/vegan-holiday-roast/ I'll also do a wellington..Thinking this one looks good https://www.hotforfoodblog.com/recipes/2016/11/15/thanksgiving-roast/ Then all the usuals roast veggies with crushed cherry toms/white wine vinegar & rosemary, roasties, these sprouts https://www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/chilli-charred-brussels-sprouts..A nice rich gravy & bread sauce and homemade cranberry sauce..I make my own non dairy cheese so have that melted with aubergine & tomato sauce for starter.....Some sort of soup?..Probably vanilla cheesecake to finish with banana/peanut butter icecream & chocolate cashew cream for pud............Thats the plan at the moment anyway.....

Day time snacks the sausage roll recipes I posted further up the page, cauliflower hot wings (again further up the page)..onion bajis & what ever else is easy to make & stick in the oven..

Very impressive, sounds great. :aok:

What's the best vegetarian gravy?

[Dalianwanda]

Very impressive, sounds great. :aok:

What's the best vegetarian gravy?

I have made a few recipe ones but I've found just going by taste works best. I'll use the scrapings and ny oil from anything else similar to if I was doing a meat roast..Add a splash of red wine & get as many bits of favour as I can (probably add some thyme & rosemary sprigs. Bisto is vegan so have some of that made up..Pour that in and then give the lot a stir & sive it....If it needed more flavour then maybe 1/4 tsp marmite or miso paste..See how that goes...ill add a teaspoon of cranberry sauce as I like a bit of fruitiness in it

Heres a couple of recipes Ive used before but mines is a bit more simple which I'd prefer on a day with so many other bits to think about..

Bosh https://www.bosh.tv/recipes/perfect-gravy
School Night Vegan https://schoolnightvegan.com/home/perfect-vegan-gravy/
ElaVegan https://elavegan.com/vegan-gravy/

[Hibernia&Alba]

I have made a few recipe ones but I've found just going by taste works best. I'll use the scrapings and ny oil from anything else similar to if I was doing a meat roast..Add a splash of red wine & get as many bits of favour as I can (probably add some thyme & rosemary sprigs. Bisto is vegan so have some of that made up..Pour that in and then give the lot a stir & sive it....If it needed more flavour then maybe 1/4 tsp marmite or miso paste..See how that goes...ill add a teaspoon of cranberry sauce as I like a bit of fruitiness in it

Heres a couple of recipes Ive used before but mines is a bit more simple which I'd prefer on a day with so many other bits to think about..

Bosh https://www.bosh.tv/recipes/perfect-gravy
School Night Vegan https://schoolnightvegan.com/home/perfect-vegan-gravy/
ElaVegan https://elavegan.com/vegan-gravy/

Thanks a lot, great tips. :aok:

My veggie cookbook contains a simple gravy recipe with a couple of onions, half a pint of stout, some veg stock and a couple of other things. Like you say, improvise a wee bit and see what works.

[Dalianwanda]

Thanks a lot, great tips. :aok:

My veggie cookbook contains a simple gravy recipe with a couple of onions, half a pint of stout, some veg stock and a couple of other things. Like you say, improvise a wee bit and see what works.

No worries hope it goes well for you (maybe have a wee practice with 1/4 of the ingredients so there's no surprises on the day :greengrin)

[Hibernia&Alba]

No worries hope it goes well for you (maybe have a wee practice with 1/4 of the ingredients so there's no surprises on the day :greengrin)

Yes, I will definitely try it out first. If the worst happens, it's only for me anyway, as the wife isn't veggie and it will be just the two of us, due to lockdown.

[Dalianwanda]

Yes, I will definitely try it out first. If the worst happens, it's only for me anyway, as the wife isn't veggie and it will be just the two of us, due to lockdown.

Id just go with the bottle of stout and not worry about the rest then :greengrin

[Keyser Sauzee]

Was given the BOSH! Cook book for xmas, really looking forward to getting stuck into it and trying the food. I’ve been veggie since summer but have pretty much stuck to the very basics and not been adventurous at all, hoping this book helps change that.

[Dalianwanda]

Was given the BOSH! Cook book for xmas, really looking forward to getting stuck into it and trying the food. I’ve been veggie since summer but have pretty much stuck to the very basics and not been adventurous at all, hoping this book helps change that.
Trust me it’s the trying new things that’s the best part of it. I’m gonna write a longer post to recognise my first year fully plant based which you might find helpful.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Trust me it’s the trying new things that’s the best part of it. I’m gonna write a longer post to recognise my first year fully plant based which you might find helpful.

:top marks


My veggie onion gravy was very much appreciated by the wife. I tried it out a couple of days before Christmas and then decided to cut down on the onion and Guinness, which worked a treat. I was like Gordon Ramsay on Christmas day, demanding perfection and producing the goods. :greengrin

[Dalianwanda]

I just thought Id write a few lines as thats me one year fully plant based eating. Prior to that I loved cheese & greek yogurt & would treat myself to some meat if I was going out for a meal and the very rare time in the house. TBH I was sceptical I would stay the distance but I can say with confidence I wont be changing back. Thats probably down to my reason for stopping which was just the fact that animals are being exploited for our benefit (thats my reason Im not looking for debate on that :wink:) I think if it was just for myself & the health benefits I might have succumbed to temptation but because its for something far greater than just me, Ive never really wavered.

Thats not to say Ive not fancied a juicy burger (pub next door does AMAZING ones) or thinking of Hibs doesnt give me pangs for a curry pie (actually there might be not meat in them :greengrin)..Id love a bacon roll now & again or chance to demolish a cheeseboard. These thoughts are pretty rare though & as time has passed & habits have changed they dont have the same pull as they did. I now enjoy the stuff I can have more than think about the things I choose not to.

Lockdowns probably made it easier for me as I do all my own cooking. So Ive not been limited by choice in a non vegan restaurant or hotel. I do have people interested but saying "It must be so much more difficult to cook vegan, so much more work". Simply not true. I generally cook a pot or two two things that will last two or three days eg today was roast aubergine curry/ sweet potato vindaloo...Both of them one pot & simple to make & most importantly very tasty, at the weekend I made doner pizzas & fake steak pie..I will make my own pickles & dips to go with them but again these are things that will last at least a couple of weeks. Ive a few must haves in the cupboard cashews, nutritional yeast, dates...Ive made a few purchases like psyllium husks, wheat gluten, TVP, liquid smoke, agar powder..Then theres the staples of various lentils, chickpeas, beans, spices..So my only purchases every week are my fruit & veg depending on what Im making..This also leads to very little waste.

I have loads of vegan cookbooks which I think Ive mentioned before..Meera Sodha's books "East" & "Fresh India" are the ones I probably go to most at the moment as everything I make from them is simple & tastes amazing. Lauren Toyotas "Vegan Comfort Classics" is brilliant too when I want to have something a little more like junk food.

Ive not told that many people that Ive switched completely and don't really get into conversations about it too much. If someones genuinely interested I'll have a chat. If I sense they are just trying to get a rise from me I'll just dodge it. I do take supplements but I was when I was a carnivor so no difference there.

So do I have more energy? Not really. Do I feel healthier? Not really. I do feel WAY MORE HAPPY about my diet & the choices Im making. Could I do more? Yes I could get rid of the pair of leather desert boots I have and the woollen jumpers. Im happy with the fact I'll not buy any more and will phase out the wardrobe so theres no animal exploitation there either. A move to veganism.

So would a I recommend it? Wholeheartedly. Its not as difficult as as may seem & the small changes are worth it (especially for the animals)..

[Hibernia&Alba]

I just thought Id write a few lines as thats me one year fully plant based eating. Prior to that I loved cheese & greek yogurt & would treat myself to some meat if I was going out for a meal and the very rare time in the house. TBH I was sceptical I would stay the distance but I can say with confidence I wont be changing back. Thats probably down to my reason for stopping which was just the fact that animals are being exploited for our benefit (thats my reason Im not looking for debate on that :wink:) I think if it was just for myself & the health benefits I might have succumbed to temptation but because its for something far greater than just me, Ive never really wavered.

Thats not to say Ive not fancied a juicy burger (pub next door does AMAZING ones) or thinking of Hibs doesnt give me pangs for a curry pie (actually there might be not meat in them :greengrin)..Id love a bacon roll now & again or chance to demolish a cheeseboard. These thoughts are pretty rare though & as time has passed & habits have changed they dont have the same pull as they did. I now enjoy the stuff I can have more than think about the things I choose not to.

Lockdowns probably made it easier for me as I do all my own cooking. So Ive not been limited by choice in a non vegan restaurant or hotel. I do have people interested but saying "It must be so much more difficult to cook vegan, so much more work". Simply not true. I generally cook a pot or two two things that will last two or three days eg today was roast aubergine curry/ sweet potato vindaloo...Both of them one pot & simple to make & most importantly very tasty, at the weekend I made doner pizzas & fake steak pie..I will make my own pickles & dips to go with them but again these are things that will last at least a couple of weeks. Ive a few must haves in the cupboard cashews, nutritional yeast, dates...Ive made a few purchases like psyllium husks, wheat gluten, TVP, liquid smoke, agar powder..Then theres the staples of various lentils, chickpeas, beans, spices..So my only purchases every week are my fruit & veg depending on what Im making..This also leads to very little waste.

I have loads of vegan cookbooks which I think Ive mentioned before..Meera Sodha's books "East" & "Fresh India" are the ones I probably go to most at the moment as everything I make from them is simple & tastes amazing. Lauren Toyotas "Vegan Comfort Classics" is brilliant too when I want to have something a little more like junk food.

Ive not told that many people that Ive switched completely and don't really get into conversations about it too much. If someones genuinely interested I'll have a chat. If I sense they are just trying to get a rise from me I'll just dodge it. I do take supplements but I was when I was a carnivor so no difference there.

So do I have more energy? Not really. Do I feel healthier? Not really. I do feel WAY MORE HAPPY about my diet & the choices Im making. Could I do more? Yes I could get rid of the pair of leather desert boots I have and the woollen jumpers. Im happy with the fact I'll not buy any more and will phase out the wardrobe so theres no animal exploitation there either. A move to veganism.

So would a I recommend it? Wholeheartedly. Its not as difficult as as may seem & the small changes are worth it (especially for the animals)..

Well done, mate. I don't think veganism is for me, as I love cheese and eggs and other dairy, and I eat more of them now I'm veggie. Veganism must take great discipline, as there are so many things that contain forbidden ingredients, sometimes unexpected things. I can certainly see the attraction of it, but I'm trying to convince myself there are ethical methods to buy dairy, which might just be very convenient on my part :greengrin:greengrin

By the way, the onion gravy at Christmas and new year was very nice.

[Bangkok Hibby]

Well done, mate. I don't think veganism is for me as, I love cheese and eggs and other dairy, and I eat more of them now I'm veggie. Veganism must take great discipline, as there are so many things that contain forbidden ingredients, sometimes unexpected things. I can certainly see the attraction of it, but I'm trying to convince myself there are ethical methods to buy dairy, which might just be very convenient on my part :greengrin:greengrin

By the way, the onion gravy at Christmas and new year was very nice.

By no means lecturing you here but you need to know there are no ethical ways to eat dairy. Its the cruellest industry of them all. Plenty stuff on youtube to ram that point home.

[Hibernia&Alba]

By no means lecturing you here but you need to know there are no ethical ways to eat dairy. Its the cruellest industry of them all. Plenty stuff on youtube to ram that point home.

I would struggle without milk and cheese. I can't take tea and coffee without milk, and I've never tried soya milk.

[bigwheel]

I would struggle without milk and cheese. I can't take tea and coffee without milk, and I've never tried soya milk.

Soya milk and oat milk are both quite simple replacements...maybe take a week or so to get used to them, but then they are absolutely fine....in coffees I now prefer soya milk tbh


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[Bangkok Hibby]

I would struggle without milk and cheese. I can't take tea and coffee without milk, and I've never tried soya milk.

I haven't touched milk for nearly 50 years but hypocritically was a cheese lover most of my life. Once you fully understand the absolute horror that is the dairy industry your tastes change rapidly. Lots of alternatives out there.
All depend of course where your starting point is, vegetarian or vegan? For the animals, the environment or your health. I'll just say once more then leave it, dairy is the worst of all worlds,obviously for the animals but also for your health. I urge you to do more research. Good luck on your journey.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Soya milk and oat milk are both quite simple replacements...maybe take a week or so to get used to them, but then they are absolutely fine....in coffees I now prefer soya milk tbh


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I haven't touched milk for nearly 50 years but hypocritically was a cheese lover most of my life. Once you fully understand the absolute horror that is the dairy industry your tastes change rapidly. Lots of alternatives out there.
All depend of course where your starting point is, vegetarian or vegan? For the animals, the environment or your health. I'll just say once more then leave it, dairy is the worst of all worlds,obviously for the animals but also for your health. I urge you to do more research. Good luck on your journey.

I will pick up some soya milk and vegan cheese later today and give them a go.

What about free range eggs? At least leave me those :greengrin

[bigwheel]

I will pick up some soya milk and vegan cheese later today and give them a go.

What about free range eggs? At least leave me those :greengrin

If you don’t like soya milk, try oat milk - has less of a taste...

I’m not full vegan, still eat eggs...


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[Hibernia&Alba]

If you don’t like soya milk, try oat milk - has less of a taste...

I’m not full vegan, still eat eggs...


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Cheers, I will go for the oat milk then.

[Dalianwanda]

I will pick up some soya milk and vegan cheese later today and give them a go.

What about free range eggs? At least leave me those :greengrin

I make my own oat milk takes two mins in a nutribullet or blender. For coffe i know a lot of places use oatley as it doesn’t split. I’m not a fan of any vegan cheese and prefer to make my own.

I

[Bangkok Hibby]

I will pick up some soya milk and vegan cheese later today and give them a go.

What about free range eggs? At least leave me those :greengrin

Haha I said I wouldn't say anymore but you did ask. "Free range" is a term to make you feel better about the slaughter of hens. Its such a shame that the general public aren't fully aware of the utter pain, fear and misery involved in getting eggs to your plate for a fleeting couple of minutes taste pleasure.
Are you aware that around 5 billion day old male chicks are macerated, suffocated, or gassed every year because they dont lay eggs.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Haha I said I wouldn't say anymore but you did ask. "Free range" is a term to make you feel better about the slaughter of hens. Its such a shame that the general public aren't fully aware of the utter pain, fear and misery involved in getting eggs to your plate for a fleeting couple of minutes taste pleasure.
Are you aware that around 5 billion day old male chicks are macerated, suffocated, or gassed every year because they dont lay eggs.

Right, I've just been to Tesco. I got green tea, oat milk; no cheese. You're turning me into a full blown soy boy; I hope you're proud of yourself :na na:

I'm not going to stop overnight; it's a case of trying to cut down.

[Dalianwanda]

Right, I've just been to Tesco. I got green tea, oat milk; no cheese. You're turning me into a full blown soy boy; I hope you're proud of yourself :na na:

I'm not going to stop overnight; it's a case of trying to cut down.

Nice one! (i cannae stand green tea tho)

[Bangkok Hibby]

Right, I've just been to Tesco. I got green tea, oat milk; no cheese. You're turning me into a full blown soy boy; I hope you're proud of yourself :na na:

I'm not going to stop overnight; it's a case of trying to cut down.

I'm proud of you 👍🏻🙏🏻

[superfurryhibby]

My dairy free approaches have changed in recent times. I'm moving away from Soya based products. Using Oat milk, Oat based bio yogurts, using less processed foods (Vegan cheese, no more).

[overdrive]

Is there a decent shop bought vegan pesto?

I bought Sacla reduced fat pesto yesterday not realising it was actually vegan. It wasn’t very nice. I normally make my own (non-vegan) pesto but I didn’t have the time.

[Dalianwanda]

Is there a decent shop bought vegan pesto?

I bought Sacla reduced fat pesto yesterday not realising it was actually vegan. It wasn’t very nice. I normally make my own (non-vegan) pesto but I didn’t have the time.

I don’t know brands back home but here’s a quick recipe for it https://www.hotforfoodblog.com/recipes/2015/11/10/easy-pesto-pasta/

oops i just read your last line 🥴

[CropleyWasGod]

Slight thread hijack, but does anyone follow an Ayurvedic diet?

[Dalianwanda]

Slight thread hijack, but does anyone follow an Ayurvedic diet?

I had to look this up, never heard of it. I wouldnt be one for set diets but from what I read sounds pretty interesting. Doesnt seem to be much research into its effectiveness though. Does mention weight loss but I would have thought if someone was living cleanly with the foods recommended in this if they werent eating clean before its going to make a difference.

[Dalianwanda]

Made this lasagna yesterday...Have to say its the best one Ive had since I went plant based..Really easy to make & full of flavour (and it makes loads!)..I couldnt be bothered going out in the rain to cut some spinach so I just swapped in a handful of TVP. I also added a glug of balsamic & a couple of bay leaves to the tomato base..Everything else I did by the book https://www.86eats.com/recipes/perfect-vegan-lasagna?fbclid=IwAR3AlhKzXhug0wpUsqsldr5YpZ5nQBF5X yzYHfK6RSCKTuODqhVnqM9NiOw

[Alex Trager]

Right chaps.

What is thee best vegan book you have (for recipes?)

I have:
Vegan man.
Thug kitchen.
Jack Monroes.
Bosh.
Dirty vegan.

All done to death.

Is there an ultimate vegan book out there? I read once that there was (written by a woman) but I can’t think what the title was - a bible if you will.

Preferably one written for UK audiences.

Cheers

[nonshinyfinish]

Right chaps.

What is thee best vegan book you have (for recipes?)

I have:
Vegan man.
Thug kitchen.
Jack Monroes.
Bosh.
Dirty vegan.

All done to death.

Is there an ultimate vegan book out there? I read once that there was (written by a woman) but I can’t think what the title was - a bible if you will.

Preferably one written for UK audiences.

Cheers

Are you maybe thinking of World Vegetarian by Madhur Jaffrey? Obviously not specifically vegan, but a lot of the recipes are vegan or can be adapted, and I've seen it referred to as the bible of vegetarian food.

It's massive, and it's not just recipes but also general advice on using/preparing all sorts of ingredients.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Doesn't seem nigh on two years since I started this thread! Have to say I don't miss meat at all. I've cut down on the dairy, but I'm not vegan.

[Dalianwanda]

Right chaps.

What is thee best vegan book you have (for recipes?)

I have:
Vegan man.
Thug kitchen.
Jack Monroes.
Bosh.
Dirty vegan.

All done to death.

Is there an ultimate vegan book out there? I read once that there was (written by a woman) but I can’t think what the title was - a bible if you will.

Preferably one written for UK audiences.

Cheers

Ones i use the most at the moment are:

Fresh India & East both by Meera Sodha
Jackfruit & Blue Ginger by Sasha Gill
Comfort Food Classics by Lauren Toyota
Vegan Japaneasy by Tim Anderson
Vegan Fakeaway by Katie Berskow

i’ve all the ones you have mentioned (apart from vegan man) and would recommend them all 😊

I’ve a massive list of vegan recipes saved as bookmarks. I’m still a sucker for purchasing books tho on kindle

[Alex Trager]

Are you maybe thinking of World Vegetarian by Madhur Jaffrey? Obviously not specifically vegan, but a lot of the recipes are vegan or can be adapted, and I've seen it referred to as the bible of vegetarian food.

It's massive, and it's not just recipes but also general advice on using/preparing all sorts of ingredients.

I don’t think so but maybe I should give that a go.

I just bought:

Speedy Bosh.
Vegan one pound meals.
One pot Vegan.
The original dirty vegan (we have the newest one).
Green barbeque.

We’ll see how we get on with these ones

[Alex Trager]

Ones i use the most at the moment are:

Fresh India & East both by Meera Sodha
Jackfruit & Blue Ginger by Sasha Gill
Comfort Food Classics by Lauren Toyota
Vegan Japaneasy by Tim Anderson
Vegan Fakeaway by Katie Berskow

i’ve all the ones you have mentioned (apart from vegan man) and would recommend them all [emoji4]

I’ve a massive list of vegan recipes saved as bookmarks. I’m still a sucker for purchasing books tho on kindle

I looked at a few of them:

I’m not really a fan of jackfruit though, is the jackfruit and blue ginger mostly jackfruit?

Also, are these all UK ingredients?

That’s one thing that frustrates me with a lot of cook books!

[Dalianwanda]

I looked at a few of them:

I’m not really a fan of jackfruit though, is the jackfruit and blue ginger mostly jackfruit?

Also, are these all UK ingredients?

That’s one thing that frustrates me with a lot of cook books!

No not at all...Having a quick look at the recipes in that one, Ive made - Kofta Curry (one of my favourite recipes), Butter Bean Tikka, Dal makhani (I've not had it for that long)..I live out in a village in the north west of ireland, if I can get the ingredients I'm sure you could :-) Sometimes I use amazon but for these books mentioned (apart from the Japaneasy one) that hasn't been the case...

Generally Im looking for max taste without too many ingredients...Certainly Meerha Sodhras book achieves that, Ive never cooked a bad recipe from them. I do generally have a quick look and if I think Im gonna struggle with ingredients then I don't bother..

PS the Lasagna in the Dirty Vegan book is excellent!

[silverhibee]

I will ask on here, where can you get local honey to buy. :aok:

[Dalianwanda]

I will ask on here, where can you get local honey to buy. :aok:
local to me might be a bit pricey to collect 😅

[SChibs]

I will ask on here, where can you get local honey to buy. :aok:

Theres a honey shop on Easter Road between the Albion Road and Sunnyside junctions. Not 100% if their honey is local but maybe worth giving them a phone to ask

[Franck Le God]

Theres a honey shop on Easter Road between the Albion Road and Sunnyside junctions. Not 100% if their honey is local but maybe worth giving them a phone to ask

Yeah they stock a load of Edinburgh honey. Been in a few times, not all that cheap but it's good stuff.


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[Antifa Hibs]

Right chaps.

What is thee best vegan book you have (for recipes?)

I have:
Vegan man.
Thug kitchen.
Jack Monroes.
Bosh.
Dirty vegan.

All done to death.

Is there an ultimate vegan book out there? I read once that there was (written by a woman) but I can’t think what the title was - a bible if you will.

Preferably one written for UK audiences.

Cheers

Not into cookbooks as I find them to pretentious. "Nip down to you're local organic Jamaican green grocery and pick up x, y and z". Fine if you're in London not so much if in Pilton. However, create an instagram account (instagram is absolute bollocks but good for this) and follow "fitgreenmind" (https://www.instagram.com/fitgreenmind/?hl=en). She's a 16 year old German lassie who has some fantastic quick and easy to follow recipes. From following her you'll then be recommended other Vegan chefs, cooks and bloggers etc. Great resource.

[Alex Trager]

Yeah they stock a load of Edinburgh honey. Been in a few times, not all that cheap but it's good stuff.


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The shop is really good.

As you say not overly cheap but I try to buy my honey from there.

The last time I was there, the jars were to keep which is good in one regard ( free glass jar) but would be good to get a reduced price and a refill

[Alex Trager]

Not into cookbooks as I find them to pretentious. "Nip down to you're local organic Jamaican green grocery and pick up x, y and z". Fine if you're in London not so much if in Pilton. However, create an instagram account (instagram is absolute bollocks but good for this) and follow "fitgreenmind" (https://www.instagram.com/fitgreenmind/?hl=en). She's a 16 year old German lassie who has some fantastic quick and easy to follow recipes. From following her you'll then be recommended other Vegan chefs, cooks and bloggers etc. Great resource.

Nice one. I have insta and a few bloggers on there already so will check her oot

[Alex Trager]

No not at all...Having a quick look at the recipes in that one, Ive made - Kofta Curry (one of my favourite recipes), Butter Bean Tikka, Dal makhani (I've not had it for that long)..I live out in a village in the north west of ireland, if I can get the ingredients I'm sure you could :-) Sometimes I use amazon but for these books mentioned (apart from the Japaneasy one) that hasn't been the case...

Generally Im looking for max taste without too many ingredients...Certainly Meerha Sodhras book achieves that, Ive never cooked a bad recipe from them. I do generally have a quick look and if I think Im gonna struggle with ingredients then I don't bother..

PS the Lasagna in the Dirty Vegan book is excellent!

Nice one mate. I’ve now purchased books but will return to this maybe in 6 months or so.

I’ve found that Tesco magazine is quite good, especially so at times of the year where there is a veggie day/week/month.

It’s free and obviously has things in it that you can buy in store

[silverhibee]

Theres a honey shop on Easter Road between the Albion Road and Sunnyside junctions. Not 100% if their honey is local but maybe worth giving them a phone to ask

Edinburgh Honey company, if that’s the one will pop down on Monday and get a few jars. Cheers. :thumbsup:

[Antifa Hibs]

https://veganuary.com/

Give it a try lads/lassies/gender neutrals.

Great time to try it and make the transition - every shop will be stocking a shedload of vegan products and alternatvies throughout January to help you on your way. Better for the planet, your own health and the animals :wink:

[Dalianwanda]

https://veganuary.com/

Give it a try lads/lassies/gender neutrals.

Great time to try it and make the transition - every shop will be stocking a shedload of vegan products and alternatvies throughout January to help you on your way. Better for the planet, your own health and the animals :wink:

Nice one!

Gonna recommend another book as I've worked my way through about half of the recipes and everyone a winner. Some only use one pot. I generally make a curry & a dal and taking from each with rice or nan give me plenty for 2 or three days without getting bored.

Spice Box - Grace Reagan https://thehappyfoodie.co.uk/books/spicebox/

[Dmas]

https://veganuary.com/

Give it a try lads/lassies/gender neutrals.

Great time to try it and make the transition - every shop will be stocking a shedload of vegan products and alternatvies throughout January to help you on your way. Better for the planet, your own health and the animals :wink:


Thanks for this, I was vegetarian for a couple of years went back to meat last year but scunnered with it again so I'm going to give this a try over January

[Moulin Yarns]

There is a hotel here that is 100% vegan, I've not been but it does have a good reputation for the food, although all the guests sit around the same big table at breakfast. The only thing you have to be aware of is the huge build up of static electricity from all the manmade and nylon fibres. :greengrin

[Hibrandenburg]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2017/08/25/vegetarianism-may-be-linked-to-depression-study-suggests/amp/

[Antifa Hibs]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2017/08/25/vegetarianism-may-be-linked-to-depression-study-suggests/amp/

So basically there is no link... but a friendly reminder to take your multi-vitamins to ensure you're body is getting what it needs.

Pish article really.

[Antifa Hibs]

Nice one!

Gonna recommend another book as I've worked my way through about half of the recipes and everyone a winner. Some only use one pot. I generally make a curry & a dal and taking from each with rice or nan give me plenty for 2 or three days without getting bored.

Spice Box - Grace Reagan https://thehappyfoodie.co.uk/books/spicebox/

I'll check it out. No dish washer and a lazy ******* when it comes to cleaning so one-pit meals are definitely up my street


Thanks for this, I was vegetarian for a couple of years went back to meat last year but scunnered with it again so I'm going to give this a try over January

Good luck with it :aok:

[Colr]

Are you maybe thinking of World Vegetarian by Madhur Jaffrey? Obviously not specifically vegan, but a lot of the recipes are vegan or can be adapted, and I've seen it referred to as the bible of vegetarian food.

It's massive, and it's not just recipes but also general advice on using/preparing all sorts of ingredients.

I used to have Madhur Jaffrey’s Easter Vegetarian Cooking. It was best on Indian food but pretty good on other regions as well. veggie not vegan, obvs.

[Dalianwanda]

While I was back managed to get some cheese from Black Rabbit on Brougham Street. The Honestly Tasty Camenbert was easily the tastiest creamiest plant based cheese Ive ever had (the blue cheese I got was also brilliant but cant remember who made that). So if anyones wanting to give plant based a go for January but are worrying about their cheese fix I'd highly recommend. Gutted Honestly Tasty doesnt deliver to Ireland :boo hoo:

[neil7908]

While I was back managed to get some cheese from Black Rabbit on Brougham Street. The Honestly Tasty Camenbert was easily the tastiest creamiest plant based cheese Ive ever had (the blue cheese I got was also brilliant but cant remember who made that). So if anyones wanting to give plant based a go for January but are worrying about their cheese fix I'd highly recommend. Gutted Honestly Tasty doesnt deliver to Ireland :boo hoo:

Thanks for that, cheese is definitely the thing I miss most and has been the cause of my past slips ups. I've found it hard to find even reasonable substitutes so definitely going to give this a try.

[Antifa Hibs]

Your taste buds will definitely change and adapt to the vegan stuff. I never bothered with it at the start as just didn't enjoy the taste and it was easy to compare it to "real" cheese. Now though after a while i've forgotten what "real" cheese taste's like I'm starting to enjoy the vegan stuff. I had a mature cheddar from Morrisons' own brand, a cheddar from Violife and a Smoked Applewood wedge. The Mature Cheddar did have a slight crumply texture and tasted very good, the other to had a texture like European cheeses (like a gouda or edam) but both also very nice, especially with a bit pickle and some oat cakes.


Like most i've been a greddy so-and-so the last week so back to getting the eating on track tonight with a shepards pie replacing the mince with canned lentils.

[overdrive]

Made seitan for the first time on Sunday. No idea if I got the texture right as I’d never eaten it before. From what I read, I thought it would be ‘meatier’ in texture than it was. Looking at it, it looked more bread like than what photos of it seemed.

Any ideas?

It tasted good though.

[nonshinyfinish]

Never tried making seitan, but it's on my list so I've read a few recipes. One thing I noticed is that some (not all) tell you to wrap it tightly during part of the cooking to stop it expanding – I guess this might make it turn out less bready?

For example this recipe: https://www.onegreenplanet.org/vegan-recipe/carving-board-seitan-pastrami/

[overdrive]

Never tried making seitan, but it's on my list so I've read a few recipes. One thing I noticed is that some (not all) tell you to wrap it tightly during part of the cooking to stop it expanding – I guess this might make it turn out less bready?

For example this recipe: https://www.onegreenplanet.org/vegan-recipe/carving-board-seitan-pastrami/

Yep, I did wrap it tightly in baking paper and tin foil

[Colr]

Not into cookbooks as I find them to pretentious. "Nip down to you're local organic Jamaican green grocery and pick up x, y and z". Fine if you're in London not so much if in Pilton. However, create an instagram account (instagram is absolute bollocks but good for this) and follow "fitgreenmind" (https://www.instagram.com/fitgreenmind/?hl=en). She's a 16 year old German lassie who has some fantastic quick and easy to follow recipes. From following her you'll then be recommended other Vegan chefs, cooks and bloggers etc. Great resource.

That’s funny. I started out with Rose Elliot’s books. She suggested getting my local farmyard cider for a recipe. Unfortunately, Gorgie City Farm was fresh out!

Veggie cook books can be SO bourguoise it’s untrue.

Madur Jaffrey’s books are good. Obscure ingredients, obviously, but if you’re in a city with an eastern population you should get them.

[hibby rae]

I made this lentil and plantain curry last night. Was very nice (obvs can spice it up if you want).

Also recommend jollof rice if you've never had it.

https://www.greenpeace.org.uk/news/vegan-plant-based-recipes-david-olu-veganuary/?source=FB&subsource=FOAMREINFB01N7&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=David%27s+Jollof+Rice+Blog+Lead+Gen+I N+20220107&fbclid=IwAR3eAx1mpWjPp7202-k4Oyt78sz6DJd_JvdEcmNg-mbzY9q4PevCNkivjpM

[Antifa Hibs]

Made seitan for the first time on Sunday. No idea if I got the texture right as I’d never eaten it before. From what I read, I thought it would be ‘meatier’ in texture than it was. Looking at it, it looked more bread like than what photos of it seemed.

Any ideas?

It tasted good though.

Havn't made it (yet) as the place usually ends up in a right state as soon as flour is brought out, but from memory when reading and watching recipes I think kneeding/battering the dough is key.

[Antifa Hibs]

I made this lentil and plantain curry last night. Was very nice (obvs can spice it up if you want).

Also recommend jollof rice if you've never had it.

https://www.greenpeace.org.uk/news/vegan-plant-based-recipes-david-olu-veganuary/?source=FB&subsource=FOAMREINFB01N7&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=David%27s+Jollof+Rice+Blog+Lead+Gen+I N+20220107&fbclid=IwAR3eAx1mpWjPp7202-k4Oyt78sz6DJd_JvdEcmNg-mbzY9q4PevCNkivjpM

Nice one. Think its been said on this thread but curries are probably the best type of food if starting out veggie/vegan. You have the spice and flavours there you don't miss the meat at all. Raosted cauliflower, chickpeas and lentils (not all together haha) make great curries. Failing that if wanting some "meat" in the curry for a change Sainsbury's do a nice chicken bits substitute and they're a decent protein source too.

[Dalianwanda]

Havn't made it (yet) as the place usually ends up in a right state as soon as flour is brought out, but from memory when reading and watching recipes I think kneeding/battering the dough is key.

For sure also letting it chill…Ive made a brilliant “ham” and also a decent “chicken”…it’s certainly a skill but when you get it right it’s very cool.

sauce staches videos are great, ive just bought his book but would certainly recommend his youtube..

on a separate note the book ‘vegan pizza’ is well worth getting…i just got an ooni pizza oven so working my way through it and all have been grwat

[overdrive]

I tried the McPlant burger from McDonalds on Friday. I honestly couldn’t tell the difference once it was in my mouth (it looked a bit fake or like a really cheap burger). Enjoyed it so much, I’m going to get some Beyond Meat burgers from the supermarket.

[Since90+2]

I tried the McPlant burger from McDonalds on Friday. I honestly couldn’t tell the difference once it was in my mouth (it looked a bit fake or like a really cheap burger). Enjoyed it so much, I’m going to get some Beyond Meat burgers from the supermarket.

Beyond Meat burgers are very nice but they are expensive to buy in the shops. If they could get the price down I think more people would consider them as an option over meat burgers.

[danhibees1875]

I tried the McPlant burger from McDonalds on Friday. I honestly couldn’t tell the difference once it was in my mouth (it looked a bit fake or like a really cheap burger). Enjoyed it so much, I’m going to get some Beyond Meat burgers from the supermarket.

I was wanting to try the McPlant - it's a shame if it's the same as their normal burger though. :wink:

[superfurryhibby]

Beyond Meat burgers are very nice but they are expensive to buy in the shops. If they could get the price down I think more people would consider them as an option over meat burgers.

Tried them and was surprised to find they tasted exactly the same as the Aldi plant based burger. Aldi have a few different types, this is the meat look alike version. £1.50 for two. I reckon they are made by the same producer, they were absolutely identical.

Aldi also stocking Vegan Cheese, bacon substitute rashers and Beetroot and the Sweet Potato burger in their fresh section, as well as the best Vegan sausage rolls known to mankind. The Chicago Town stuffed crust vegan pizza is pretty damn good as well.

[Dalianwanda]

Beyond Meat burgers are very nice but they are expensive to buy in the shops. If they could get the price down I think more people would consider them as an option over meat burgers.

Yeah hopefully as they become more widespread the price will come down..Thats what they claimed when first launched anyway..The pub next door lets you do a swao out in an of their burgers for these which is great. Pity almost anything else they add apart from veggies isnt vegan (Ive tried giving them a couple of vegan cheese recipes but they havent taken me up :greengrin

I'll need to try the Aldi ones. Generally I get the ones from Lidl but although they are good they are massive & although they are really good they have a bit of a taste that keeps remindng you your eating a substitute...You dont get that with the beyond ones.

I see they have also launched chicken in the states, infact the range is huge..Although at the end of the day it is junk food, its still nice for a wee treat every now and again.

[superfurryhibby]

Yeah hopefully as they become more widespread the price will come down..Thats what they claimed when first launched anyway..The pub next door lets you do a swao out in an of their burgers for these which is great. Pity almost anything else they add apart from veggies isnt vegan (Ive tried giving them a couple of vegan cheese recipes but they havent taken me up :greengrin

I'll need to try the Aldi ones. Generally I get the ones from Lidl but although they are good they are massive & although they are really good they have a bit of a taste that keeps remindng you your eating a substitute...You dont get that with the beyond ones.

I see they have also launched chicken in the states, infact the range is huge..Although at the end of the day it is junk food, its still nice for a wee treat every now and again.

Get yourself into Aldi.

You make a point about the processed foods and junk. I'm not certain how bad the Beyond Meat stuff is, but something that really annoys me is how Vegan restaurants seem to find it beyond them to make a decent home made burger. I was in Seeds for the Soul, Edinburgh and the burger was an off the shelf thing. A bit of a rip off when your getting charged £12.00 for it.

[Antifa Hibs]

Availability, price, size/quantity and taste for me the winner for me is the linda mccartney quarter pounders. Currently half price at Morrisons for £1.10 :aok:

[Scouse Hibee]

Moving Mountains Vegan burgers are pretty decent.

[Callum_62]

I don't know who Gousto use for there vegetarian burgers but they are delicious

Even my wee ones loves them

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[neil7908]

I tried the McPlant burger from McDonalds on Friday. I honestly couldn’t tell the difference once it was in my mouth (it looked a bit fake or like a really cheap burger). Enjoyed it so much, I’m going to get some Beyond Meat burgers from the supermarket.

Beyond Meat burgers are awesome if you are looking for something meat-like. Not sure if it's just me, or other stuff I'm eating but I find they are pretty salty. Had one a couple of nights ago and had a drink about 4 glasses of water after dinner!

[Dalianwanda]

Can you get 'Just Egg' in Scotland as an egg replacement? You cant get it here..I use flaxseed or psyllium husk with water which work fine for binding but not much else.

[Callum_62]

I tried the Green Cuisine southern fried non chicken breast from bird's-eye

Probably the best veggie chicken replacement I've had

Also had The Vegetarian Butchers Unbelievaballs last night as a bolognaise

Texture was a bit on the light side but definately pretty good!

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[overdrive]

Beyond Meat burgers are awesome if you are looking for something meat-like. Not sure if it's just me, or other stuff I'm eating but I find they are pretty salty. Had one a couple of nights ago and had a drink about 4 glasses of water after dinner!

We had them on Tuesday night and whilst we didn't find them salty when eating them, we both woke up several times in the night with a really dry mouth.

[Dalianwanda]

Yet another couple of books to consider ‘vegan air fryer cookbook” by Tess Challis is brilliant..Ive made 10 things and all very tasty! Only made a couple of thing from ‘Vegan Junk Food’ by Zacchary Bird but great so far Bratwurst particularly good and i’ve enough left to make CurryWurst for the Scotland game today :-)

[Paulie Walnuts]

I’ve been buying:

Wicked meatballs. You get them in Tesco and tbh I genuinely wouldn’t know they’re not beef. Even looking at them they look like beef meatballs.

Beyond meat burger. You get them in Waitrose and Tesco. They’re very good although they had a weird paper like skin on either side that I scratched off. It was proper black like I’d cremated the burger but didn’t taste at all burnt.

Vivera shiwarma kebab. These are very good. Lots of flavour and as I don’t eat actual kebabs I don’t feel like they’re a replacement, they’re just something new to eat.

Going to try the birds eye southern fried chicken that was mentioned earlier.

Also tried a McPlant the other day but unfortunately I didn’t think it as great. Had a weird taste I thought.

[superfurryhibby]

Can you get 'Just Egg' in Scotland as an egg replacement? You cant get it here..I use flaxseed or psyllium husk with water which work fine for binding but not much else.

You can if you go to a dedicated whole foods type shop, not aware of it in supermarkets.