Heckingbottom

[JimBHibees]

Hecky rightly criticises the players for not doing the basics. The number one basic for any manager is to put the right team on the field.He refuses to have a proper defensive midfielder so therefore fails that basic requirement and deserves the criticism he is getting.I also hope he doesn't believe what he said in interview about the game up to the sending off but is trying to gee up the team.

How do you know he hasn't been trying to get one in?

[jacomo]

He didn’t have a chunk of the support to begin with, imo.


You are right and it doesn’t make his job any easier.

[SMAXXA]

Hecky rightly criticises the players for not doing the basics. The number one basic for any manager is to put the right team on the field.He refuses to have a proper defensive midfielder so therefore fails that basic requirement and deserves the criticism he is getting.I also hope he doesn't believe what he said in interview about the game up to the sending off but is trying to gee up the team.

I actually through his assessment up to the sending of was fair, never in it for the first half an hour and either side of half time we were better, half time probably came at a bad time for us. Take a look at the goals and the defending since the sending of shockers, one goes right through Marciano, the defenders get out jumped for the last one, sure vela gets caught on the ball for one just shocking. That’s not me trying to say we did well overall we were miles off it and he needs to take criticism for the set up and personnel but that aside players at this level should be able to do better and defend better imo.

[bingo70]

How do you know he hasn't been trying to get one in?

It’s what he’s been saying, he’s happy with what he’s got and he doesn’t want defensive midfielders, he wants midfielders that can do it all, tackle, pass and attack.

It sounds great in theory, I just don’t think it’s realistic or practical.

[jacomo]

What can Mallan actually do? I keep hearing he is an attacking midfielder but he shows absolute zero qualities I'd want in an attacking midfielder other than decent shooting.


Score goals. We’ve been crying out for goals from midfield for years.

Unfortunately the balance is now all wrong in midfield and we are getting over run.

If I had the choice to play Dylan or Mallan it would be the former no question.

[Gypsy King]

To be honest had rangers been clinical last year we would have been skelped. We were long overdue that spanking from them IMO.

The fact they have a guy leading their line with more than 150 premier league goals says it all.

They had a 4 million quid centre half on the bench.

Mackie let the occasion get to him and it cost us dearly. We were chasing shadows and trying to play rugby in the first 20 a sending off was inevitable.

They are a very good team and I guarantee you we wont be the last to be in for a skelping in Mordor.

This Hecky out chat is a total knee jerk reaction and de-stabilising the team after a humiliating defeat would be a terrible decision.

Thankfully the numpties that think that are not in charge.

Hecky has made mistakes.Time will tell if he learns from them.

FWIW - Have it on good authority we aren't actually finished in the market either.

[Hermit Crab]

If he goes go for Micheal O'Neil. :agree:

[steakbake]

Score goals. We’ve been crying out for goals from midfield for years.

Unfortunately the balance is now all wrong in midfield and we are getting over run.

If I had the choice to play Dylan or Mallan it would be the former no question.

I find Slivka is criminally overlooked.

[Hermit Crab]

I find Slivka is criminally overlooked.


Thats another fault with Heckingbottom, his failure to spot a good player on the bench and use him when he was needed on Sunday. I bet Slivka couldn't quite believe the Flo was getting stripped when we were down to 10 men when bolstering the defence was what was needed, not another striker on the park.

[Bobby's Cinema]

It feels to me like the manager has brought in players to fit the system he wants to play rather than finding a system that has all our best players playing in their best positions.

That is surely the number one sin. And if our budget is now gone to get us to that position and the system isn’t working? where do you go.

Remain fully behind the team but the squad looks thin throughout. Who is coming from the bench to change a game when those in front aren’t performing? I don’t see any depth

[blackpoolhibs]

It fees to me like the manager has brought in players to fit the system he wants to play rather than finding a system that has all our best players playing in their best positions.

That is surely the number one sin. And if our budget is now gone to get us to that position then where do you go now.

Remain fully behind the team but the squad looks thin throughout. Who is coming from the bench to change a game when those in front aren’t performing? I don’t see any depth

He's brought in players who dont press or get near their opponents to play a pressing game, his words. :rolleyes:

[Hibeesmad]

If he goes go for Micheal O'Neil. :agree:

I’m sure I read a while back he has release clause of about £750,000

[MrSmith]

For me, its tippy tappy sideways passing rubbish! How can you play high pressing football without getting the ball forward?

[Hermit Crab]

For me, its tippy tappy sideways passing rubbish! How can you play high pressing football without getting the ball forward?


The high press comment from PH is a steaming pile of male farm animal dung. It hasn't happened in a single game yet! :I'm waiti

[Hermit Crab]

I’m sure I read a while back he has release clause of about £750,000


Really? Count us out then!

[Gypsy King]

Score goals. We’ve been crying out for goals from midfield for years.

Unfortunately the balance is now all wrong in midfield and we are getting over run.

If I had the choice to play Dylan or Mallan it would be the former no question.


The laddie has the kind of strike that you cant teach.

Stevie Mallan should be deployed as a CF just in behind the striker in a 4-4-1-1

He is entirely ineffectual in a holding role/deep lying playmaker . I do find it strange Hecky and Lennon persist on playing him there.

GK - Rocky
Rb - Gray /James
CB - Porteus
CB - Jackson
LB- Stevenson
RM- Horgan
CM- Allan
CM -Vella
LM- Middleton
CF- Mallan
ST- Kamberi

That for me Is our strongest team.

[JimBHibees]

I find Slivka is criminally overlooked.

He has been injured but flatters to deceive a bit however thought he should have started Sunday.

[JimBHibees]

If he goes go for Micheal O'Neil. :agree:

As a player? Bit old is he not

[Hermit Crab]

As a player? Bit old is he not


Would start him ahead of Doidge.

[Smartie]

The laddie has the kind of strike that you cant teach.

Stevie Mallan should be deployed as a CF just in behind the striker in a 4-4-1-1

He is entirely ineffectual in a holding role/deep lying playmaker . I do find it strange Hecky and Lennon persist on playing him there.

GK - Rocky
Rb - Gray /James
CB - Porteus
CB - Jackson
LB- Stevenson
RM- Horgan
CM- Allan
CM -Vella
LM- Middleton
CF- Mallan
ST- Kamberi

That for me Is our strongest team.

I agree with you.

Not sure how the midfield would get on, but I think that's the best using what we have available.

[steakbake]

For me, its tippy tappy sideways passing rubbish! How can you play high pressing football without getting the ball forward?

Over-thought at times.

I barely played proper team football as a kid, but I do remember various coaches booming "options!" and "who's showing for it?" from the sidelines.

Felt the same v St Mirren.

[Liberal Hibby]

I'm not convinced Hecky really thinks we don't need a defensive midfielder. From seeing Aberdeen it looks like that is exactly what Ojo was going to be. By all accounts it looks like we were pursuing him for quite a while. Perhaps we simply didnt have a plan B once it fell through. Or we have also been unable to persuade plan B or C to sign for us.

Isn't Vela the defensive midfielder and the plan B for when Ojo went to the Dons?

I'm still not convinced we can play Mallan and Allan in the same team - they're both best just behind the forward(s) to either hit a 30 yard shot or the defence splitting pass that opens the opponents up (delete as applicable).

[MrSmith]

Over-thought at times.

I barely played proper team football as a kid, but I do remember various coaches booming "options!" and "who's showing for it?" from the sidelines.

Felt the same v St Mirren.

The dear departed Peter Collins form Gracemount. Was always shouting those from the side.

Great guy and hibee.

[HappyAsHellas]

Exactly. The comparison is a bum job.

I think McGeouch is the better player of the two, I was trying to point out that for years we have been looking for a goal scoring midfielder and Mallan certainly helps in that department. McGeouch also had a certain SJM alongside which is the side of things we desperately need now.

[The_Horde]

I find Slivka is criminally overlooked.

Criminally overrated.

[The_Horde]

The high press comment from PH is a steaming pile of male farm animal dung. It hasn't happened in a single game yet! :I'm waiti

Needs to take a look at the way rangers played on Sunday to see what a high press looks like.

[MWHIBBIES]

Score goals. We’ve been crying out for goals from midfield for years.

Unfortunately the balance is now all wrong in midfield and we are getting over run.

If I had the choice to play Dylan or Mallan it would be the former no question.

When did Mallan last score a competitive goal? Livi away? Played about 12 games since. He used to score goals, now be offers **** all. Slivka is definitely better and should start the next 2.

[blackpoolhibs]

When did Mallan last score a competitive goal? Livi away? Played about 12 games since. He used to score goals, now be offers **** all. Slivka is definitely better and should start the next 2.

He was a regular scorer when played where he should play, he's never a player who can play the McGeouch role, and god knows why successive managers are playing him there?

Its either him or Allan, and its always Allan for me.

[Sammy7nil]

Criminally overrated.

Ha ha :greengrin :agree:

[jeffers]

He was a regular scorer when played where he should play, he's never a player who can play the McGeouch role, and god knows why successive managers are playing him there?

Its either him or Allan, and its always Allan for me.

Other than being positioned much deeper than before I've no idea what role he's playing. McGeouch took the ball from the defence and moved it on, Mallan never does that. Play him further forward or don't play him at all.

[MWHIBBIES]

He was a regular scorer when played where he should play, he's never a player who can play the McGeouch role, and god knows why successive managers are playing him there?

Its either him or Allan, and its always Allan for me.

Was he? Mallan has never consistently played attacking midfield for Hibs.

He got 5/6 of his goals before Mcginn even left, 4 against a part time Faroe side.

Allan is 10x the player Mallan is, it's definitely always Allan.

[Dmas]

Criminally overrated.

No chance very good technically all he needs is a run of games imo if there’s anyone in our squad capable of filling the job McGeouch done for us it’s slivka.

we’re still missing someone to do the dirty work though which is the biggest concern for me if we’re done in the transfer market as Hecky has said we’ve made a massive mistake allowing Bartley to leave

[Since452]

I think we were on a hiding to nothing at Ibrox anyway but Slivka would have been in the team for me

[broondog]

Have never thought Hecky was right for us. I think we got a bounce when he came in and now his inability to change a game is being found out. What the Hun game has shown us is the signings that have been brought in aren’t good enough. We need 4 more I’d say in key positions. Hope he gets his act together or it will be a long season

[Dinkydoo]

I'm willing to give him more time, but I'm starting to get the impression that he talks a good game and knows exactly what he wants from his players, without having the first clue as to how to get it.

I saw evidence of this elusive high press on Sunday, but it seemed to just be "rush the player with the ball" - which resulted in a much more composed team on the ball, simply playing around us time and again.

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[Heisenberg]

Have never thought Hecky was right for us. I think we got a bounce when he came in and now his inability to change a game is being found out. What the Hun game has shown us is the signings that have been brought in aren’t good enough. We need 4 more I’d say in key positions. Hope he gets his act together or it will be a long season

One of the only things I’d say he has going for him, even going back to last season, is his ability to change a game. Didn’t work out against the huns but he’s changed tactics or personnel in quite a few games to get us results since he arrived.

[BoomtownHibees]

The laddie has the kind of strike that you cant teach.

Stevie Mallan should be deployed as a CF just in behind the striker in a 4-4-1-1

He is entirely ineffectual in a holding role/deep lying playmaker . I do find it strange Hecky and Lennon persist on playing him there.

GK - Rocky
Rb - Gray /James
CB - Porteus
CB - Jackson
LB- Stevenson
RM- Horgan
CM- Allan
CM -Vella
LM- Middleton
CF- Mallan
ST- Kamberi

That for me Is our strongest team.

On paper you have probably picked our best 11 players but playing a midfield 2 of Allan and Vela would have us murdered in the middle of the park against most teams. Would maybe work on Saturday against the likes of Morton, although I believe Mallan is injured, however wouldn’t fancy it in the tougher league games

[The_Horde]

No chance very good technically all he needs is a run of games imo if there’s anyone in our squad capable of filling the job McGeouch done for us it’s slivka.

we’re still missing someone to do the dirty work though which is the biggest concern for me if we’re done in the transfer market as Hecky has said we’ve made a massive mistake allowing Bartley to leave

He's had plenty runs of games. Has a stormer of a game once every dozen or so games and then goes missing for another dozen or so, resulting in him being dropped. And repeat.

[matty_f]

One of the only things I’d say he has going for him, even going back to last season, is his ability to change a game. Didn’t work out against the huns but he’s changed tactics or personnel in quite a few games to get us results since he arrived.

Correct. The last thing you can throw at him is that he doesn’t change games.

[James Stephen]

Have never thought Hecky was right for us. I think we got a bounce when he came in and now his inability to change a game is being found out. What the Hun game has shown us is the signings that have been brought in aren’t good enough. We need 4 more I’d say in key positions. Hope he gets his act together or it will be a long season

"Inability to change a game" is right up there in the big book of I dont like the manager cliches.

It's right up there with-
"Tactically inept"
"No plan B"
"Naive substitutions"
"Baffling team selections"
"Cringeworthy post match comments"

Hecky has done someone good things, some bad things, and his new signings have played two meaningful games against league opposition, winning one, getting hammered in one (against a team we would expect to lose to).

[JimBHibees]

No chance very good technically all he needs is a run of games imo if there’s anyone in our squad capable of filling the job McGeouch done for us it’s slivka.

we’re still missing someone to do the dirty work though which is the biggest concern for me if we’re done in the transfer market as Hecky has said we’ve made a massive mistake allowing Bartley to leave

When did he say we made a mistake with Marv

[JimBHibees]

Would start him ahead of Doidge.

Already written Doidge off, cool.

[jeffers]

When did he say we made a mistake with Marv

He meant we are done in the transfer market as Hecky has said.

[The_Horde]

Already written Doidge off, cool.

That's not what he said though, is it?

[pacoluna]

Already written Doidge off, cool.

If he scores more than 10 goals this season I'll give you £100 he looks dreadful as does Newell.

[Sammy7nil]

If he scores more than 10 goals this season I'll give you £100 he looks dreadful as does Newell.

I would like that offer is that in all competitions? :greengrin

[Dmas]

He's had plenty runs of games. Has a stormer of a game once every dozen or so games and then goes missing for another dozen or so, resulting in him being dropped. And repeat.

He’s not playing the 24 games a season you’re suggesting there is he, he’s also been played everywhere in midfield rather than a settled position. He should be the deep lying playmaker PH is desperately trying to shoe horn Mallan into

[Dmas]

When did he say we made a mistake with Marv

Probably after the game against Livi knowing our luck

[MWHIBBIES]

He's had plenty runs of games. Has a stormer of a game once every dozen or so games and then goes missing for another dozen or so, resulting in him being dropped. And repeat.

Complete and utter nonsense that Slivka does missing for a dozen games. Care to name some of these if its so often?

[Hi Heid Yin]

Complete and utter nonsense that Slivka does missing for a dozen games. Care to name some of these if its so often?

Rather than exactitudes, the point made was that Slivka goes missing or offers next to nothing in far too many games.

He has had plenty of time under different managers/coaches to demonstrate that he should be a first pick in every game.

For me, he blows cold far more often than hot and thus finds himself in and out of the side.

[Nicho87]

Slivka should be binned but he isn’t cause the recruitment has been that bad that hes deemed decent.

we have went backwards since our first year up.

[ekhibee]

Complete and utter nonsense that Slivka does missing for a dozen games. Care to name some of these if its so often?

More like complete and utter nonsense if you think Slivka is influential in any way. He's not. The original poster was correct IMO, he only has the occasional good game, and it's been a long time since the last one.

[jacomo]

He's had plenty runs of games. Has a stormer of a game once every dozen or so games and then goes missing for another dozen or so, resulting in him being dropped. And repeat.


He hasn’t.

To me, a run of games would be 5 or 6 starts in a row, where the manager tells him to play without fear and impose himself on the games.

Slivka has never had that opportunity. Admittedly this has also been due to injury or him playing badly.

[FilipinoHibs]

"Inability to change a game" is right up there in the big book of I dont like the manager cliches.

It's right up there with-
"Tactically inept"
"No plan B"
"Naive substitutions"
"Baffling team selections"
"Cringeworthy post match comments"

Hecky has done someone good things, some bad things, and his new signings have played two meaningful games against league opposition, winning one, getting hammered in one (against a team we would expect to lose to).

Of the new signings I Newell has ability but no application or concentration. Doidge tries but he out of his level. James and Jackson look to be comfortable and more than adequate. Vela looks the part and just needs matches to get sharp. Maxwell looks a good cover and Middleton looks to be the creative threat we need. Allan of course is class but not his signing but is being used as first choice.

[MWHIBBIES]

Slivka is a better, more consistent player than Mallan. Mallan gets away with absolute murder on here, he has been awful since about 8 weeks into last season. Offers the odd goal and very little else.

[Hermit Crab]

Slivka should be binned but he isn’t cause the recruitment has been that bad that hes deemed decent.

we have went backwards since our first year up.


Absolute rubbish! He's a quality player.

[Hermit Crab]

Slivka is a better, more consistent player than Mallan. Mallan gets away with absolute murder on here, he has been awful since about 8 weeks into last season. Offers the odd goal and very little else.


Agree, Slivka is quality and deserves a run in the team due to Mallans pishness, Mallan should be dropped for Sliv. You need to offer more than 1 free kick every 6-8 games or so.

[The_Horde]

He hasn’t.

To me, a run of games would be 5 or 6 starts in a row, where the manager tells him to play without fear and impose himself on the games.

Slivka has never had that opportunity. Admittedly this has also been due to injury or him playing badly.

Slivka played in most of Hecky's "good run" of results, no?

He just needs games is the oldest excuse in the book for average performers who are likeable.

See also - he just needs a goal, he just needs time to adjust to the game, he just needs time for the new players to gel etc

[calumhibee1]

He hasn’t.

To me, a run of games would be 5 or 6 starts in a row, where the manager tells him to play without fear and impose himself on the games.

Slivka has never had that opportunity. Admittedly this has also been due to injury or him playing badly.

He probably hasn’t ever had a run, but as you say, it’s down to his own performances or injury that this is the case.

We can’t afford to just give someone a run to see if they turn it round. If that was how it worked then Shaw would be battering down the door asking for an extended run as would the likes of Mackie or whatever CB isn’t playing etc. Slivka needs to show a lot more to justify an extended run in the team imo.

[Borderhibbie76]

Slivka is a better, more consistent player than Mallan. Mallan gets away with absolute murder on here, he has been awful since about 8 weeks into last season. Offers the odd goal and very little else.Glad it's not just me that thinks this....

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[Hibeesmad]

Who won our player of the year last season?

[flash]

Some real hatred towards Stevie Mallan on this thread. Sits nicely with the vitriol being aimed at the manager, new players and anybody who dares to support them.
Which is nice.

[jacomo]

He probably hasn’t ever had a run, but as you say, it’s down to his own performances or injury that this is the case.

We can’t afford to just give someone a run to see if they turn it round. If that was how it worked then Shaw would be battering down the door asking for an extended run as would the likes of Mackie or whatever CB isn’t playing etc. Slivka needs to show a lot more to justify an extended run in the team imo.


I agree with you, but it does wonders for a player’s confidence if they feel they’ve got the full support of their manager.

On the other hand, if they are thinking ‘best not make a mistake here or I’m dropped’ it can inhibit them.

It’s a chicken and egg situation of course, the player has to justify their selection but they can’t really prove themselves unless they are selected. Managers earn their money on these decisions.

[Brightside]

He probably hasn’t ever had a run, but as you say, it’s down to his own performances or injury that this is the case.

We can’t afford to just give someone a run to see if they turn it round. If that was how it worked then Shaw would be battering down the door asking for an extended run as would the likes of Mackie or whatever CB isn’t playing etc. Slivka needs to show a lot more to justify an extended run in the team imo.

it was down to lennon playing him in every position on the pitch.

[green day]

Who won our player of the year last season?

Players player and fans, iirc

This is similar to those people who couldnt see what McGeogh brought to the party. Mallan, like every player, will have good and bad matches.

[JimBHibees]

That's not what he said though, is it?

Would suggest that saying a manager who hasnt played in yesrs should start in front of him would indicate he does.

[JimBHibees]

Slivka is a better, more consistent player than Mallan. Mallan gets away with absolute murder on here, he has been awful since about 8 weeks into last season. Offers the odd goal and very little else.

I would say Slivkas biggest weakness is he isnt consistent.

[Since452]

He has this Saturday and next to get back in my good books and for me to start calling him Hecky again. For the time being he's Heckingbottom. That's how i show my displeasure 😉

[Robbo6-2]

Very worrying times if people genuinely think Slivka is actually the missing link and going to turn our season around.

Slivka is simply not good enough and if we want to challenge for 3 place we need much better.

Slivka would not get a game for Aberdeen Killie or even Hearts.

Sad state of affairs

[Barman Stanton]

Very worrying times if people genuinely think Slivka is actually the missing link and going to turn our season around.

Slivka is simply not good enough and if we want to challenge for 3 place we need much better.

Slivka would not get a game for Aberdeen Killie or even Hearts.

Sad state of affairs

Have you seen Killie this season? Slivka would walk into the Killie team.

[calumhibee1]

it was down to lennon playing him in every position on the pitch.

It’s a convenient excuse for a guy that hasn’t delivered often enough imo.

I’m not doubting it hasn’t helped his cause but he’s still had enough chances to show more than he has.

Lennon signed him and most of the time didn’t play him. Hecky has inherited him and again, most of the time he hasn’t played him. I’m not saying their opinion of a player has to be taken as gospel, but it’s telling that even the manager that signed him didn’t play him often.

[we are hibs]

Players player and fans, iirc

This is similar to those people who couldnt see what McGeogh brought to the party. Mallan, like every player, will have good and bad matches.

Difference is that McGeouch is a vastly superior player than Mallan.

[we are hibs]

Some real hatred towards Stevie Mallan on this thread. Sits nicely with the vitriol being aimed at the manager, new players and anybody who dares to support them.
Which is nice.

Point out the hatred please?

[Hibeesmad]

Players player and fans, iirc

This is similar to those people who couldnt see what McGeogh brought to the party. Mallan, like every player, will have good and bad matches.

The boy is only 23 years old, he’s still learning, we can all agree that last season wasn’t fantastic but he still stepped up finished the season as our top goal scorer and bagged plenty of assists. I think the criticism of him is pretty harsh.

[flash]

Point out the hatred please?

Easy to find within the last 20 posts. Not by you I should add.

[Robbo6-2]

Have you seen Killie this season? Slivka would walk into the Killie team.

Slivka is not better than Power and Dicker regardless of how Killie have started this season

[SRHibs]

He hasn’t.

To me, a run of games would be 5 or 6 starts in a row, where the manager tells him to play without fear and impose himself on the games.

Slivka has never had that opportunity. Admittedly this has also been due to injury or him playing badly.

He had a run of games last season where the general consensus was that he had been our best player. He then had one underwhelming game and people instantly reverted to the same old clichés about him not grabbing the game by the scruff of the neck.

[Hibeesmad]

Slivka’s best game last season was probably against Elgin. Thought he was outstanding that game.

[Cameron1875]

If Slivka left to join another club would anyone really actually care? He is alright and is sometimes involved in a game but not top 4 in Scotland standard for me.

Anyway Heckingbottom has a big month now so hopefully a hammering of Morton on Saturday will get the confidence back a wee bit. St Johnstone and Motherwell after has to be 3 or more points otherwise...

[MWHIBBIES]

Players player and fans, iirc

This is similar to those people who couldnt see what McGeogh brought to the party. Mallan, like every player, will have good and bad matches.
No, what McGeouch brought was actually clear. What does Mallan bring?

If Slivka left to join another club would anyone really actually care? He is alright and is sometimes involved in a game but not top 4 in Scotland standard for me.

Anyway Heckingbottom has a big month now so hopefully a hammering of Morton on Saturday will get the confidence back a wee bit. St Johnstone and Motherwell after has to be 3 or more points otherwise...

Slivka played 22 games the season we finished 4th, so he is more qualified than Mallan to be playing for a top 4 side.

[Barman Stanton]

Slivka is not better than Power and Dicker regardless of how Killie have started this season

Disagree, still think he would get a game for Killie easily. Yet another Hibs player getting a booting though. Wonder who is next.

[Robbo6-2]

Disagree, still think he would get a game for Killie easily. Yet another Hibs player getting a booting though. Wonder who is next.

Skivka doesn't get a hammered on here.

Its the blind love people have for him on here that pisses folk off.

Hes had enough chances under different manager's over the last 3 year to prove himself. Hes simply not good enough for a top 3 team.

[MWHIBBIES]

Skivka doesn't get a hammered on here.

Its the blind love people have for him on here that pisses folk off.

Hes had enough chances under different manager's over the last 3 year to prove himself. Hes simply not good enough for a top 3 team.

Who in our squad is? Not one has ever regularly played in a top 3 team other than Whittaker years ago.

Slivka is good enough to improve our current midfield, that's what actually matters.

[Treadstone]

Slivka played 22 games the season we finished 4th, so he is more qualified than Mallan to be playing for a top 4 side.

Started less than a quarter of league games.

[calumhibee1]

Slivka played 22 games the season we finished 4th, so he is more qualified than Mallan to be playing for a top 4 side.

Allan played 12. Doesn’t mean Slivka is more qualified than him.

Stevie May played 41 for the team that finished third last year and he’s absolutely jobbies.

[CockneyRebel]

[QUOTE=MWHIBBIES;5887984]Who in our squad is? Not one has ever regularly played in a top 3 team other than Whittaker years ago.

Slivka is good enough to improve our current midfield, that's what actually matters.



That's what matters just now.

[Barman Stanton]

Skivka doesn't get a hammered on here.

Its the blind love people have for him on here that pisses folk off.

Hes had enough chances under different manager's over the last 3 year to prove himself. Hes simply not good enough for a top 3 team.

Thats my point. Now its just yet another Hibs player getting a booting, from yourself. Its getting tiring, non stop criticism of all things Hibs on a Hibs forum.

Im not Slivkas biggest fan but think he is a good squad player to have. I think people forget how young he is as well. Guy only turned 24 this year and already has 35 international caps. Still plenty time for him to improve.

[Robbo6-2]

Thats my point. Now its just yet another Hibs player getting a booting, from yourself. Its getting tiring, non stop criticism of all things Hibs on a Hibs forum.

Im not Slivkas biggest fan but think he is a good squad player to have. I think people forget how young he is as well. Guy only turned 24 this year and already has 35 international caps. Still plenty time for him to improve.

I actually agree with you mate hes a squad player. Not the messiah folk make out on here.

If he is what we are relying on week in week out for 3rd place we are simply not going to make it.

[Barman Stanton]

I actually agree with you mate hes a squad player. Not the messiah folk make out on here.

If he is what we are relying on week in week out for 3rd place we are simply not going to make it.

Iv honestly never seen anyone on here talk about Slivka like he is the Messiah :dunno:

[blackpoolhibs]

Slivka was a squad player who the club thought would be one for the future, he's a pretty average player who has had the odd very good performance during his time at the club.

Our midfield has become so bad now, that Slivka should probably be one of the first names on the team sheet, certainly he's a more important squad player now than he ought to be after the transfer window we are having.

[cmcd]

Very worrying times if people genuinely think Slivka is actually the missing link and going to turn our season around.

Slivka is simply not good enough and if we want to challenge for 3 place we need much better.

Slivka would not get a game for Aberdeen Killie or even Hearts.

Sad state of affairs
You forgot to say "" In my opinion ""

[FilipinoHibs]

Slivka is not better than Power and Dicker regardless of how Killie have started this season
Shown in games he can be class. In others he looks like a teenager that has just woke up and has to go to school. A real enigma. Needs a strong character to play alongside him to keep going.

[Heedersnvolleys]

Slivka was a squad player who the club thought would be one for the future, he's a pretty average player who has had the odd very good performance during his time at the club.

Our midfield has become so bad now, that Slivka should probably be one of the first names on the team sheet, certainly he's a more important squad player now than he ought to be after the transfer window we are having.
Yip I agree

[PH91]

The problem in hibs midfield is not that these guys are poor players just that they cant play the role required.

Mallan and slivka have good qualities, the best of which are when we have the ball. Mallan has excellent passing range, is comfortable on the ball and has a great shot on him. Slivka is neat and tidy, doesnt tend to give the ball away and makes some good late runs into the box.

Neither have strong defensive qualities though. Mallan will try to get stuck in but lacks athleticism. Slivka can get about the pitch but is far too timid.

So we can continually argue about which should be playing, and there are merits to both, but the best solution is neither unless they are taking vela or allans place. We need a new midfielder in pronto.

[The 90+2]

Slivka was a squad player who the club thought would be one for the future, he's a pretty average player who has had the odd very good performance during his time at the club.

Our midfield has become so bad now, that Slivka should probably be one of the first names on the team sheet, certainly he's a more important squad player now than he ought to be after the transfer window we are having.

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[Smartie]

Slivka was a squad player who the club thought would be one for the future, he's a pretty average player who has had the odd very good performance during his time at the club.

Our midfield has become so bad now, that Slivka should probably be one of the first names on the team sheet, certainly he's a more important squad player now than he ought to be after the transfer window we are having.

Slivka's biggest (and most justified) criticism relates to his consistency and the fact that he occasionally doesn't impose himself as much as he could.

Whilst this is true, I don't remember him being part of a midfield that has been torn apart anything like as often as Mallan has. Mallan is the one who has the greatest fluctuation in performance from the excellent down to the woeful.

Mallan is a bigger risk than Slivka right now.

[Smartie]

The problem in hibs midfield is not that these guys are poor players just that they cant play the role required.

Mallan and slivka have good qualities, the best of which are when we have the ball. Mallan has excellent passing range, is comfortable on the ball and has a great shot on him. Slivka is neat and tidy, doesnt tend to give the ball away and makes some good late runs into the box.

Neither have strong defensive qualities though. Mallan will try to get stuck in but lacks athleticism. Slivka can get about the pitch but is far too timid.

So we can continually argue about which should be playing, and there are merits to both, but the best solution is neither unless they are taking vela or allans place. We need a new midfielder in pronto.

I agree with every word of this and tbh if we get this sorted, about 80% of our team's problems will be sorted and I'll feel far more confident about our chances going forward.

[MWHIBBIES]

Bizarre how Slivka gets stick for his consistently but not Mallan? Is that because he is always missing? Is that consistency?

[green day]

No, what McGeouch brought was actually clear. What does Mallan bring?


I am aware of what McGeoch brought, I am a huge fan - what I was suggesting is that some people on here (even today) questioned whether he was a good player or did enough for the team.

So, while you and I see that clearly - others do not.

Same with Mallan, imo - fans can be blinkered (indeed plenty of fans know brussel sprout about football).

There is a reason Mallan won POTY and players POTY, and its not because he is crap or brings nothing to the party.

[jeffers]

I am aware of what McGeoch brought, I am a huge fan - what I was suggesting is that some people on here (even today) questioned whether he was a good player or did enough for the team.

So, while you and I see that clearly - others do not.

Same with Mallan, imo - fans can be blinkered (indeed plenty of fans know brussel sprout about football).

There is a reason Mallan won POTY and players POTY, and its not because he is crap or brings nothing to the party.

I'm not going to get into another McGeouch debate mate. With regards Mallan though, he had a great start to his Hibs career and on the back of that coupled with noone else really being a standout throughout the season was awarded POTY. It's not that his detractors can't see what he brings to the team their issues (I include myself in that) is when he's not hitting a dead ball or hitting a shot he's offering heehaw. When was his last goal ? Last assist (Hearts away I think.) None of this is helped by a manager trying to fit him into a position that he isn't suited for.

If football was like NFL and you had special teams Mallan would be great option to have, unfortunately it's not and you have a guy on the pitch there in the hope we might get a free kick within scoring distance but we can't afford a luxury like that in our side.

[fishybeaver]

Bizarre how Slivka gets stick for his consistently but not Mallan? Is that because he is always missing? Is that consistency?
Think the fact Mallam scores often is reason enough to put him in the team imo

[BoomtownHibees]

Think the fact Mallam scores often is reason enough to put him in the team imo

With the way we seem to want to play, we need a midfielder giving a lot more than what Mallan does. If Hecky wants to stick with the 3, Mallan doesn’t have the attributes to play where he wants him to and carry out the role he wants him to

[MWHIBBIES]

Think the fact Mallam scores often is reason enough to put him in the team imo

He doesn't score often, though. He has scored 4 goals in his last 34 games.

[BILLYHIBS]

He doesn't score often, though. He has scored 4 goals in his last 34 games.

You don’t like Stevie Mallan do you ?

[Monts]

You don’t like Stevie Mallan do you ?

Seems like a fair point

[Calidad]

I think for Mallan + Alan to co-exist, we need to adopt a 3-5-2.

————Porteous—-Jackson—-Hanlon
Gray———Mallan—-Vela—-Slivka——-Stevenson
—————————-Allan
——————Kamberi

Given Allan a free role to create havoc.

That formation gets our best players on the pitch. Horgan unlucky to miss out, but he can be a rotation option. Boyle obviously done for the season.

[FilipinoHibs]

He doesn't score often, though. He has scored 4 goals in his last 34 games.

Yes he's on a poor run and does not warrant a place for his goals alone.

[JimBHibees]

He doesn't score often, though. He has scored 4 goals in his last 34 games.

Fair number of assists as well though.

[Monts]

I've given him the benefit of the doubt up til now but that was a worrying match from a managerial point of view. The starting midfield was all wrong, the substitutions were baffling, and the players looked lost at times.

[21.05.2016]

His decision to take Allan off was totally bizarre. 1-0 up with 30 odd mins to go against a poor side where we should be looking to kill off the game and we take off our most creative player. Everyone in the ground knew it was wrong.

His signings so far havent been anything to get excited about either.

[The_Horde]

His decision to take Allan off was totally bizarre. 1-0 up with 30 odd mins to go against a poor side where we should be looking to kill off the game and we take off our most creative player. Everyone in the ground knew it was wrong.

His signings so far havent been anything to get excited about either.

Absolute nonsense. Allan was on a booking, he was knackered and getting a total roasting because of it.

I'd agree that he shouldn't have been playing wide in the first place but he had to go off.

[H18 SFR]

I think we just need to accept that we need to sit tight, give the guy time to make a complete arse of it then eventually he will be away one way or another. He's not going anywhere in a hurry but hopefully this time next year we've started a season with the right guy in charge.

[gaz1875]

Absolute nonsense. Allan was on a booking, he was knackered and getting a total roasting because of it.

I'd agree that he shouldn't have been playing wide in the first place but he had to go off.

That's twice I've read you post Allan was on a booking, what match are you talking about because he wasn't booked today? He also didn't looked knackered he looked lost because he isn't in a million years a winger.

[The_Horde]

That's twice I've read you post Allan was on a booking, what match are you talking about because he wasn't booked today? He also didn't looked knackered he looked lost because he isn't in a million years a winger.

He should've been booked for that challenge that wiped Gray out. Maybe that's where I'm getting mixed up but he was definitely knackered and getting roasted and deservedly got subbed off.

He shouldn't have been knackered because he shouldn't have been on the wing but that's an entirely different debate altogether.

[gaz1875]

He should've been booked for that challenge that wiped Gray out. Maybe that's where I'm getting mixed up but he was definitely knackered and getting roasted.

But he wasn't, nor were the St Johnstone players who left the field of play to celebrate. He still never looked knackered IMHO.

[Sammy7nil]

I said to my mate today with a out 15 to go this reminds of the Hamilton play off game you knew the goal
was coming but the players and manager looked incapable of preventing it. We offered zero in the last ten minutes it was hanging on with no idea of how best to do it.

[Unseen work]

I just don’t want us to become a circus again.

i thought we were past that and then there was the Lennon fiasco and now again talk of sacking our manager within 3 league games.

We need continuity, no other club in Scotland seems to have as many issues like we do when it comes to managers, losing the dressing room etc.

The buzz of Scottish cup, promotion, Europe and highest point tally has well and truly gone.

We need something, a couple of known quality signings would do. We’re relying heavily on Hallberg being exactly what we need and good.

[The_Horde]

But he wasn't, nor were the St Johnstone players who left the field of play to celebrate. He still never looked knackered IMHO.

He did. So much so that I predicted him going off about 5 minutes before he eventually did. Same with the goal Doidger.

[Nicho87]

Absolute nonsense. Allan was on a booking, he was knackered and getting a total roasting because of it.

I'd agree that he shouldn't have been playing wide in the first place but he had to go off.

two minutes earlier he drifted centrally and played a perfect through ball.

if you want an excuse you’ll find an excuse. Hecky cost us three points today.

Stupid formations = stupid results

[ionahibby]

I just don’t want us to become a circus again.

i thought we were past that and then there was the Lennon fiasco and now again talk of sacking our manager within 3 league games.

We need continuity, no other club in Scotland seems to have as many issues like we do when it comes to managers, losing the dressing room etc.

The buzz of Scottish cup, promotion, Europe and highest point tally has well and truly gone.

We need something, a couple of known quality signings would do. We’re relying heavily on Hallberg being exactly what we need and good.

We won’t be the only club though who’s fans are getting fed up with management. I have feeling the Aberdeen fans patience is wearing thin with mcinnes. It happens at every football club, I’m sure some Celtic fans were calling for Lennons sacking after the champions league disaster. When’s results improve fans quieten, when they don’t well ......

[Sammy7nil]

We won’t be the only club though who’s fans are getting fed up with management. I have feeling the Aberdeen fans patience is wearing thin with mcinnes. It happens at every football club, I’m sure some Celtic fans were calling for Lennons sacking after the champions league disaster. When’s results improve fans quieten, when they don’t well ......

McInnis may have had a couple of hundred more games :greengrin :greengrin :wink:

[Carheenlea]

We won’t be the only club though who’s fans are getting fed up with management. I have feeling the Aberdeen fans patience is wearing thin with mcinnes. It happens at every football club, I’m sure some Celtic fans were calling for Lennons sacking after the champions league disaster. When’s results improve fans quieten, when they don’t well ......

McInnes has been at Aberdeen about 6 or 7 years and enjoyed a bit of success, but for Heckingbottom I get the sense his face hasn’t fitted for too many from day one. He will always be one or two bad results away from a crisis with little room for error, and such a scenario is not sustainable long term. He won’t be afforded the good will of the fans that Lennon and Stubbs before him had during troublesome spells.

[SMAXXA]

McInnes has been at Aberdeen about 6 or 7 years and enjoyed a bit of success, but for Heckingbottom I get the sense his face hasn’t fitted for too many from day one. He will always be one or two bad results away from a crisis with little room for error, and such a scenario is not sustainable long term. He won’t be afforded the good will of the fans that Lennon and Stubbs before him had during troublesome spells.

I agree with this but why people have felt this way from day one is what I don’t really get. Apart from those that were team Lennon and no matter who came in was going to be on to a hiding from the off.

[FitbaFolkKen]

We had a solid end to last year, just support the team and the players and if we don’t succeed then so be it. He will get sacked if he underperforms but it isn’t in our interests to drag him down it is in our interests to support the team.


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[The 90+2]

We had a solid end to last year, just support the team and the players and if we don’t succeed then so be it. He will get sacked if he underperforms but it isn’t in our interests to drag him down it is in our interests to support the team.


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We had a piss poor end to last season and that was with better players.

[The_Horde]

two minutes earlier he drifted centrally and played a perfect through ball.

if you want an excuse you’ll find an excuse. Hecky cost us three points today.

Stupid formations = stupid results

He was also beaten to the ball several times after that and caught for pace more than once, culminating in his rash challenge that wiped out SDG. He was knackered and not tracking runners.

[#2 Double Tap]

We had a solid end to last year, just support the team and the players and if we don’t succeed then so be it. He will get sacked if he underperforms but it isn’t in our interests to drag him down it is in our interests to support the team.


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Thats the typa message which was given out when fenlon was in charge,

its the guys who boo that want to win the most. The doom and gloomers are the real fans, their daily mood coincides with the fortunes of the team. They are the guys who the club should and need to be listening too, not the happy clapping, Oh it is just a game of football brigade.

[Hiber-nation]

We had a piss poor end to last season and that was with better players.

This is an interesting interview when he blamed everyone at the club and the fans for "downing tools" at the end of last season.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48895632

[Rumble de Thump]

thats the typa message which was given out when fenlon was in charge,

its the guys who boo that want to win the most. The doom and gloomers are the real fans, their daily mood coincides with the fortunes of the team. They are the guys who the club should and need to be listening too, not the happy clapping, oh it is just a game of football brigade.

lol

[madhatter]

This is an interesting interview when he blamed everyone at the club and the fans for "downing tools" at the end of last season.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48895632

Players may have, that was his responsibility to control though. Fans certainly didn’t, most of us turned up even though, as the games went on, they became increasingly meaningless.

[Unseen work]

Thats the typa message which was given out when fenlon was in charge,

its the guys who boo that want to win the most. The doom and gloomers are the real fans, their daily mood coincides with the fortunes of the team. They are the guys who the club should and need to be listening too, not the happy clapping, Oh it is just a game of football brigade.

The fans that boo or constantly moan at games always strike me as the type that have never kicked a ball at a semi decent level in their life. They think it’s as easy as rocking up and winning because of either x,y or z.

“The doom and gloomers are the real fans” - No the real fans are the ones that back their team till the end and encourage them. Not boo a managers sub when we’re 1-0 up.

[The_Horde]

McInnes has been at Aberdeen about 6 or 7 years and enjoyed a bit of success, but for Heckingbottom I get the sense his face hasn’t fitted for too many from day one. He will always be one or two bad results away from a crisis with little room for error, and such a scenario is not sustainable long term. He won’t be afforded the good will of the fans that Lennon and Stubbs before him had during troublesome spells.

Stubbs was afforded what he'd rightly earned in building us up to be a team the fans could relate to and Lennon was afforded a few howlers because his teams were expansive and exciting and you knew fine well they'd bounce back more often than not.

I wanted Lennon so far out by the time he left because he'd run his course and the players were done with him.

I'll admit I've never been convinced by Heckingbottom but that's not because of some mythical love for Lennon or Stubbs. It's because the man's an uninspiring, passionless wet wipe who hasn't done a thing to relate himself to the supporters since his arrival.

And today he's saying the players were too weak to deal with the expectation from the stands. Maybe it's him who doesn't 'get hibs' or understand what our expectations are.

[Nicho87]

Stubbs was afforded what he'd rightly earned in building us up to a team the fans could relate to and Lennon was afforded a few howlers because his teams were expansive and exciting and you knew fine well they'd bounce back more often than not.

I wanted Lennon so far out by the time he left because he'd run his course and the players were done with him.

I'll admit I've never been convinced by Heckingbottom but that's not because of some mythical love for Lennon or Stubbs. It's because the man's an uninspiring, passionless wet wipe who hasn't done a thing to relate himself to the supporters since his arrival.

And today he's saying the players were too weak to deal with the expectation from the stands. Maybe it's him who doesn't 'get hibs' or understand what our expectations are.

love for this post

[Fuzzywuzzy]

Paul Heckingbottom has claimed panic from the stands played a part in costing Hibs during their 2-2 draw with St Johnstone at Easter Road.

Home supporters watched their side concede an 11th goal in three games when Jason Kerr netted to secure a last-gasp point in Leith.

The 42-year-old said: "We were trying to get the boys to relax but the whole stadium was anxious and that spread to the players.

From the record

[Gaz]

Paul Heckingbottom has claimed panic from the stands played a part in costing Hibs during their 2-2 draw with St Johnstone at Easter Road.

Home supporters watched their side concede an 11th goal in three games when Jason Kerr netted to secure a last-gasp point in Leith.

The 42-year-old said: "We were trying to get the boys to relax but the whole stadium was anxious and that spread to the players.

From the record

Very good but how can we relax watching that

[The 90+2]

This is an interesting interview when he blamed everyone at the club and the fans for "downing tools" at the end of last season.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48895632

Pattern emerging.

Then you’ve got his quotes having to get used to not playing sat, tues, sat even though it looks as if the team look unfit.

Does Hecky want to be in Scottish Football?

[The 90+2]

Stubbs was afforded what he'd rightly earned in building us up to be a team the fans could relate to and Lennon was afforded a few howlers because his teams were expansive and exciting and you knew fine well they'd bounce back more often than not.

I wanted Lennon so far out by the time he left because he'd run his course and the players were done with him.

I'll admit I've never been convinced by Heckingbottom but that's not because of some mythical love for Lennon or Stubbs. It's because the man's an uninspiring, passionless wet wipe who hasn't done a thing to relate himself to the supporters since his arrival.

And today he's saying the players were too weak to deal with the expectation from the stands. Maybe it's him who doesn't 'get hibs' or understand what our expectations are.

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[Greencore]

Stubbs was afforded what he'd rightly earned in building us up to be a team the fans could relate to and Lennon was afforded a few howlers because his teams were expansive and exciting and you knew fine well they'd bounce back more often than not.

I wanted Lennon so far out by the time he left because he'd run his course and the players were done with him.

I'll admit I've never been convinced by Heckingbottom but that's not because of some mythical love for Lennon or Stubbs. It's because the man's an uninspiring, passionless wet wipe who hasn't done a thing to relate himself to the supporters since his arrival.

And today he's saying the players were too weak to deal with the expectation from the stands. Maybe it's him who doesn't 'get hibs' or understand what our expectations are.


This.

[andybev1]

Stubbs was afforded what he'd rightly earned in building us up to be a team the fans could relate to and Lennon was afforded a few howlers because his teams were expansive and exciting and you knew fine well they'd bounce back more often than not.

I wanted Lennon so far out by the time he left because he'd run his course and the players were done with him.

I'll admit I've never been convinced by Heckingbottom but that's not because of some mythical love for Lennon or Stubbs. It's because the man's an uninspiring, passionless wet wipe who hasn't done a thing to relate himself to the supporters since his arrival.

And today he's saying the players were too weak to deal with the expectation from the stands. Maybe it's him who doesn't 'get hibs' or understand what our expectations are.

spot on

[Squirrel 1875]

Stubbs was afforded what he'd rightly earned in building us up to be a team the fans could relate to and Lennon was afforded a few howlers because his teams were expansive and exciting and you knew fine well they'd bounce back more often than not.

I wanted Lennon so far out by the time he left because he'd run his course and the players were done with him.

I'll admit I've never been convinced by Heckingbottom but that's not because of some mythical love for Lennon or Stubbs. It's because the man's an uninspiring, passionless wet wipe who hasn't done a thing to relate himself to the supporters since his arrival.

And today he's saying the players were too weak to deal with the expectation from the stands. Maybe it's him who doesn't 'get hibs' or understand what our expectations are.

Nailed it. Can someone pin this post please?

Funny, you’d be getting hounded on this forum for posting this a few weeks ago, just like I was.

[jacomo]

I just don’t want us to become a circus again.

i thought we were past that and then there was the Lennon fiasco and now again talk of sacking our manager within 3 league games.

We need continuity, no other club in Scotland seems to have as many issues like we do when it comes to managers, losing the dressing room etc.

The buzz of Scottish cup, promotion, Europe and highest point tally has well and truly gone.

We need something, a couple of known quality signings would do. We’re relying heavily on Hallberg being exactly what we need and good.


I agree with much of what you say, but the fans are still turning up in numbers.

I have to admit I a bit concerned right now but concern shouldn’t turn to panic yet imo. Hecky is talking an ambitious game, and plenty of people talk about him positively. Robbie Stockdale is rated.

We might sign a striker before the transfer window shuts. I was impressed by Jackson today, a few of the other signings look decent or came with decent reputations.

Today was pretty poor overall though. I get why folk are annoyed.

[Heisenberg]

Stubbs was afforded what he'd rightly earned in building us up to be a team the fans could relate to and Lennon was afforded a few howlers because his teams were expansive and exciting and you knew fine well they'd bounce back more often than not.

I wanted Lennon so far out by the time he left because he'd run his course and the players were done with him.

I'll admit I've never been convinced by Heckingbottom but that's not because of some mythical love for Lennon or Stubbs. It's because the man's an uninspiring, passionless wet wipe who hasn't done a thing to relate himself to the supporters since his arrival.

And today he's saying the players were too weak to deal with the expectation from the stands. Maybe it's him who doesn't 'get hibs' or understand what our expectations are.

It’s hard to argue with any of that. There’s absolutely no chance the players should be crumbling under the expectations from the fans. I think he’s just making excuses for another horrendous performance.

My worry is we won’t act quickly to change it.

[#2 Double Tap]

The fans that boo or constantly moan at games always strike me as the type that have never kicked a ball at a semi decent level in their life. They think it’s as easy as rocking up and winning because of either x,y or z.

“The doom and gloomers are the real fans” - No the real fans are the ones that back their team till the end and encourage them. Not boo a managers sub when we’re 1-0 up.

Fair enough point, but you dont need to have been a semi-pro player to understand what is good or bad football.

IMO the guys that hurt the most when we are playing poorly aint the ones who are happy clapping when the team is performing pish. Its the happy clappers who fail to see any shortcomings, and it is often them who expect to win because of x, y and z not the guys booing.

opinions ehhh......just like everyone ass hole.

[WhileTheChief..]

It's because the man's an uninspiring, passionless wet wipe who hasn't done a thing to relate himself to the supporters since his arrival. .

Couldn’t have put it any better.

He’s got to go soon. He’s never going to last the 3 years so no point delaying the inevitable just cause it seams harsh.

[One Day In Time]

Paul Heckingbottom has claimed panic from the stands played a part in costing Hibs during their 2-2 draw with St Johnstone at Easter Road.

Home supporters watched their side concede an 11th goal in three games when Jason Kerr netted to secure a last-gasp point in Leith.

The 42-year-old said: "We were trying to get the boys to relax but the whole stadium was anxious and that spread to the players.

From the record

That’s a really stupid thing to say to be honest. One of these statements that no one benefits from and in fact does more damage than anything else.

[hibeerealist]

K
The fans that boo or constantly moan at games always strike me as the type that have never kicked a ball at a semi decent level in their life. They think it’s as easy as rocking up and winning because of either x,y or z.

“The doom and gloomers are the real fans” - No the real fans are the ones that back their team till the end and encourage them. Not boo a managers sub when we’re 1-0 up.

Nah I cant agree with that.

Also the fans were NOT booing the team today (this is about the 5/6th post had to defend fans) they were booing Hecky for taking off SA after he played him out of position. I will give him this, he is the only one of our last three managers that has managed to make SA look pretty poor on the pitch and all because he cannot set up the team properly. I think he has lost it and the reason we did not get a result today is down to him not the nervousness emanating from the stands - what a load of c r ap.

[hibeerealist]

Stubbs was afforded what he'd rightly earned in building us up to be a team the fans could relate to and Lennon was afforded a few howlers because his teams were expansive and exciting and you knew fine well they'd bounce back more often than not.

I wanted Lennon so far out by the time he left because he'd run his course and the players were done with him.

I'll admit I've never been convinced by Heckingbottom but that's not because of some mythical love for Lennon or Stubbs. It's because the man's an uninspiring, passionless wet wipe who hasn't done a thing to relate himself to the supporters since his arrival.

And today he's saying the players were too weak to deal with the expectation from the stands. Maybe it's him who doesn't 'get hibs' or understand what our expectations are.

:agree:
Also where is the high press and fitness levels they have never known????

Hecky’s words not mine, he has rattled on about this several times and we are not seeing it. Talks a good game and we fans want to see it but it is not there he is talking p I sh. Bringing a lot of heat onto himself talking like that when 1. He has not signed players that fit into that (high pressure) nor are they fit as f —- and 2. His formations are baffling

[Widhibs]

...
And today he's saying the players were too weak to deal with the expectation from the stands. Maybe it's him who doesn't 'get hibs' or understand what our expectations are.

Absolutely bang on!

[mcfly]

Blaming the supporters is only going to increase the pressure on him.

He doesn’t get the fans expectations, as someone said before he doesn’t relate with the fans. He plays boring uninspiring football and he can’t spot a player in my view.

Got to go

[Baader]

Should be having a good look at himself and his stupid decisions instead of having a go at the people who paid to watch that rubbish yesterday.

He is out of his depth and we need to cut our losses.

[Hibs Giant]

I left at half time. Heartbroken. I used to be what you might call a happy clapper. I'm too long in the tooth now though. I've seen so many Hibs teams like the one I watched yesterday. Disjointed. Rudderless. I genuinely thought we'd left that messy, feint heartedness behind us.
In the past, I'd have wanted the manager to be given lots of time. Now, I want us to begin succession planning ASAP. We should have targets lined up for the end of the year. By then we'll be able say we gave Heck a chance, but crucially we'll still have the Jan window available for the new guy.
No use crying over spilled milk. No need to reinvent our recruitment process. We hired the wrong guy. It happens. Let the hard work to put it right start now.

[Smartie]

I left at half time. Heartbroken. I used to be what you might call a happy clapper. I'm too long in the tooth now though. I've seen so many Hibs teams like the one I watched yesterday. Disjointed. Rudderless. I genuinely thought we'd left that messy, feint heartedness behind us.
In the past, I'd have wanted the manager to be given lots of time. Now, I want us to begin succession planning ASAP. We should have targets lined up for the end of the year. By then we'll be able say we gave Heck a chance, but crucially we'll still have the Jan window available for the new guy.
No use crying over spilled milk. No need to reinvent our recruitment process. We hired the wrong guy. It happens. Let the hard work to put it right start now.

If the first half left you heartbroken, don't whatever you do watch any footage of the second half.

I thought the first half was ok, nothing special. We were in front and had been pretty much in control and we had reason to go into the second half optimistic.

We had no answer to St Johnstone raising their game after the break which is totally depressing.

[gazzag70]

I really hope the board come to their senses and pay heed to Leeds United's actions and rid themselves of this idiot before irreparable damage is done. He likes to talk a good game but his brand of football is slow and dire to watch. Fans will leave in big numbers if this brand of eye bleeding football continues!

[Unseen work]

K

Nah I cant agree with that.

Also the fans were NOT booing the team today (this is about the 5/6th post had to defend fans) they were booing Hecky for taking off SA after he played him out of position. I will give him this, he is the only one of our last three managers that has managed to make SA look pretty poor on the pitch and all because he cannot set up the team properly. I think he has lost it and the reason we did not get a result today is down to him not the nervousness emanating from the stands - what a load of c r ap.

If you read my post, you will see that I said it was the substitution that was boo’d and not the team in general.

Everyone can have their difference of opinion or theory about where Allan should play, for me he should be in the number 10 but playing right of a midfield 4 is not alien to him or that crazy an idea. Allan was very poor and could hardly control a ball during the game, that has nothing to do with where he was playing.

To get boo’d for subbing someone playing poor is ridiculous.

[Unseen work]

Unless Iv missed something at no point has he blamed the fans.

In his hibs tv interview he said he wanted the boys to relax as the anxiousness from the stands was spreading onto the pitch - it was, it was clear as day.

That not saying the fans were to blame

[hibbydad]

Any manager who blames the fans for a poor performance has one foot out the door already

[Springbank]

If you read my post, you will see that I said it was the substitution that was boo’d and not the team in general.

Everyone can have their difference of opinion or theory about where Allan should play, for me he should be in the number 10 but playing right of a midfield 4 is not alien to him or that crazy an idea. Allan was very poor and could hardly control a ball during the game, that has nothing to do with where he was playing.

To get boo’d for subbing someone playing poor is ridiculous.

Nonsense.

Sport is all about small advantages.

The feel good factor that raises the game that extra 1%

It's why hearts feign injuries in the lead up to every derby, and it's why clubs scout the opposition

Having some of your best players on the bench lifts the opposition in the away dressing room and playing your best player out of position is a gift for the other side.

Subbing him only compounds the matter.

I worry that these utter basics pass so many people by, it was like that under Alex Miller for 10 long years (high balls to one-up-front Mickey weir at Tynecastle stood out)

Fear hecky cant see the wood for the stubborn trees

[Unseen work]

Nonsense.

Sport is all about small advantages.

The feel good factor that raises the game that extra 1%

It's why hearts feign injuries in the lead up to every derby, and it's why clubs scout the opposition

Having some of your best players on the bench lifts the opposition in the away dressing room and playing your best player out of position is a gift for the other side.

Subbing him only compounds the matter.

I worry that these utter basics pass so many people by, it was like that under Alex Miller for 10 long years (high balls to one-up-front Mickey weir at Tynecastle stood out)

Fear hecky cant see the wood for the stubborn trees

Nonsense? 😂

It clearly never had the effect you’re talking about playing him wide then as we were winning 1-0 when he went off and were in control for the first half.

even once he went off we got the game to 2-1.

The way Allan was playing the would have been disappointed he got subbed. He was unable to control the ball and lettting his man run off him on every occasion.

[Crab apple]

Unless Iv missed something at no point has he blamed the fans.

In his hibs tv interview he said he wanted the boys to relax as the anxiousness from the stands was spreading onto the pitch - it was, it was clear as day.

That not saying the fans were to blame

It’s still an excuse and a feeble one at that.

[Rumble de Thump]

Nonsense.

Sport is all about small advantages.

The feel good factor that raises the game that extra 1%

It's why hearts feign injuries in the lead up to every derby, and it's why clubs scout the opposition

Having some of your best players on the bench lifts the opposition in the away dressing room and playing your best player out of position is a gift for the other side.

Subbing him only compounds the matter.

I worry that these utter basics pass so many people by, it was like that under Alex Miller for 10 long years (high balls to one-up-front Mickey weir at Tynecastle stood out)

Fear hecky cant see the wood for the stubborn trees

The head coach explained why he subbed Allan. What did you disagree with?

[madhatter]

Why did Allan play if he was looking tired in training all week? Surely that’s the bigger question if Hecky is using that as the excuse for why he was taken off.

I’d have preferred to have him near the end to impact the match from the middle rather than run about aimlessly on the wing. Use him as a sub.

Hecky got it wrong. He needs to realise that Mallon needs to play development football for a while as well, keeps getting games when he is rubbish and doesn’t defend.

[jacomo]

If you read my post, you will see that I said it was the substitution that was boo’d and not the team in general.

Everyone can have their difference of opinion or theory about where Allan should play, for me he should be in the number 10 but playing right of a midfield 4 is not alien to him or that crazy an idea. Allan was very poor and could hardly control a ball during the game, that has nothing to do with where he was playing.

To get boo’d for subbing someone playing poor is ridiculous.


Allan was one of the best players on the park - left after 60 mins with one assist and should have had two after putting it on a plate for Doidge (who fluffed his chance).

[Tyler Durden]

Allan was one of the best players on the park - left after 60 mins with one assist and should have had two after putting it on a plate for Doidge (who fluffed his chance).

Mallan got the assist for Jackson’s goal

[matty_f]

Unless Iv missed something at no point has he blamed the fans.

In his hibs tv interview he said he wanted the boys to relax as the anxiousness from the stands was spreading onto the pitch - it was, it was clear as day.

That not saying the fans were to blame

You’re not missing anything.

[bingo70]

Why did Allan play if he was looking tired in training all week? Surely that’s the bigger question if Hecky is using that as the excuse for why he was taken off.

I’d have preferred to have him near the end to impact the match from the middle rather than run about aimlessly on the wing. Use him as a sub.

Hecky got it wrong. He needs to realise that Mallon needs to play development football for a while as well, keeps getting games when he is rubbish and doesn’t defend.

I don’t believe the story about him carrying an injury tbh.

Allan looked as shocked as the rest of us when he realised it was him being subbed. I also don’t think if he was genuinely carrying an injury he’d have been moved out to play wide right, a position that requires more discipline and tracking of the runner. If he was really struggling, keep him playing in the middle of a three man midfield and the other two midfielders could cover him.

[Iggy Pope]

I left at half time. Heartbroken. I used to be what you might call a happy clapper. I'm too long in the tooth now though. I've seen so many Hibs teams like the one I watched yesterday. Disjointed. Rudderless. I genuinely thought we'd left that messy, feint heartedness behind us.
In the past, I'd have wanted the manager to be given lots of time. Now, I want us to begin succession planning ASAP. We should have targets lined up for the end of the year. By then we'll be able say we gave Heck a chance, but crucially we'll still have the Jan window available for the new guy.
No use crying over spilled milk. No need to reinvent our recruitment process. We hired the wrong guy. It happens. Let the hard work to put it right start now.

You’re not long in the tooth man you are 37. You missed the first of our disastrous relegations by birth. Leaving at half time is heartless not heartbroken. Where did you go at half time ya big giant that you are? Get clapping.

[Unseen work]

Allan was one of the best players on the park - left after 60 mins with one assist and should have had two after putting it on a plate for Doidge (who fluffed his chance).

One of the best on the park?! Come on now.

Im a huge Allan fan but yesterday he was poor, certainly for his standards.

He never got an assist yesterday, Mallan and Middleton did.

[B.H.F.C]

I don’t believe the story about him carrying an injury tbh.

Allan looked as shocked as the rest of us when he realised it was him being subbed. I also don’t think if he was genuinely carrying an injury he’d have been moved out to play wide right, a position that requires more discipline and tracking of the runner. If he was really struggling, keep him playing in the middle of a three man midfield and the other two midfielders could cover him.

Agreed. Heckingbottom talking rubbish with those comments IMO. And if he wasn’t talking rubbish, then doing what he did doesn’t reflect well on him anyway.

[PaulSmith]

One of the best on the park?! Come on now.

Im a huge Allan fan but yesterday he was poor, certainly for his standards.

He never got an assist yesterday, Mallan and Middleton did.

He would’ve had Doidge had the ability to kick a football from 9 yards with his left foot. That is the only time that we saw him “inside”.

There’s not one hibs fan who eras the team at 1:30 and saw Scott Allan wide right. The man is a clown.

[Pretty Boy]

The anxiousness in the stands spread from what people were seeing on the park. Up to the point when we scored the atmosphere was a bit flat but largely supportive. At that point we were playing OK, far from exciting but fine. Then we started to sit back, stopped pressing and allowed St Johnstone to get a foothold in the game and go on to control possession for long spells. What set of fans wouldn't get anxious in such a situation? We were defending a slender lead and playing poorly.

I'm not buying this 'he's blaming the fans' chat but I do think he needs to ask himself why the fans got nervous and what role both the team and himself played in that happening.

[The_Horde]

Why did Allan play if he was looking tired in training all week? Surely that’s the bigger question if Hecky is using that as the excuse for why he was taken off.

I’d have preferred to have him near the end to impact the match from the middle rather than run about aimlessly on the wing. Use him as a sub.

Hecky got it wrong. He needs to realise that Mallon needs to play development football for a while as well, keeps getting games when he is rubbish and doesn’t defend.

Could you imagine the reaction if Allan hadn't played at all? :hilarious

[Unseen work]

He would’ve had Doidge had the ability to kick a football from 9 yards with his left foot. That is the only time that we saw him “inside”.

There’s not one hibs fan who eras the team at 1:30 and saw Scott Allan wide right. The man is a clown.

Youre right Doidge should have done better.

We also should have scored when Doidge nicked it off the defender and squared it to Kamberi.

[bingo70]

Could you imagine the reaction if Allan hadn't played at all? :hilarious

If it was because he’d been carrying an injury i don’t think there would have been any sort of reaction?

If he didn’t start it also would have been assumed he was injured.

[JohnM1875]

Youre right Doidge should have done better.

We also should have scored when Doidge nicked it off the defender and squared it to Kamberi.

Flo should have done better than hitting the post. But the simple pass from Doidge wasn't great at all. It was a weird wee bobbly number instead of across the deck.

I actually think Doidge was fine yesterday though. Won a lot of flick ons and does a good amount of running, closing down and finds himself in good attaching positions.

[matty_f]

I don’t believe the story about him carrying an injury tbh.

Allan looked as shocked as the rest of us when he realised it was him being subbed. I also don’t think if he was genuinely carrying an injury he’d have been moved out to play wide right, a position that requires more discipline and tracking of the runner. If he was really struggling, keep him playing in the middle of a three man midfield and the other two midfielders could cover him.

I this is another of his comments that has been misinterpreted I think.

Heckingbottom said that Allan hadn’t trained much after finishing 120 minutes against Morton, iirc. I don’t know where the injury bit comes from.

[The_Horde]

If it was because he’d been carrying an injury i don’t think there would have been any sort of reaction?

If he didn’t start it also would have been assumed he was injured.

In a perfect world, yes. But people would've jumped on that if the result was the same and if he was on the bench they would be giving it "why put him on the bench if he wasn't fit".

[B.H.F.C]

The talk of anxiousness in the stands is interesting. I didn’t feel anxious. At 2-1 I was sitting fed up. The fact it went to 2-2 didn’t make me feel a great deal different to be honest.

Normally I’d be gutted if we threw away a couple of points as late on as that. My enthusiasm for it has disappeared with what we’ve been watching lately. It’s not enjoyable and I don’t look forward to going like I have since 2014.

[ekhibee]

Unless Iv missed something at no point has he blamed the fans.

In his hibs tv interview he said he wanted the boys to relax as the anxiousness from the stands was spreading onto the pitch - it was, it was clear as day.

That not saying the fans were to blame

Yes, it is.

[Unseen work]

Flo should have done better than hitting the post. But the simple pass from Doidge wasn't great at all. It was a weird wee bobbly number instead of across the deck.

I actually think Doidge was fine yesterday though. Won a lot of flick ons and does a good amount of running, closing down and finds himself in good attaching positions.

Agree that Doidge made it a very awkward one, somehow managed to bounce/chip it into him

Maybe down to a lack of composure in his part.

Thought Doidge done fine and will come good imo. He’s missed a fair share of decent chances so far this season 2/3 against St Mirren and again yesterday, as you say though he is getting in good positions.

[Unseen work]

Yes, it is.

Sensitive soul if you think that’s him blaming the fans.

[Hibeesmad]

We’ve had 33 shots on target against us in our last 4 games, which includes St Mirren and Morton. Except from Scott Allan there isn’t a player who I think ‘oh I’m looking forward to seeing them play today’. The days of Ambrose, McGinn, McGeough and Stokes are sadly missed.

[Smartie]

We’ve had 33 shots on target against us in our last 4 games, which includes St Mirren and Morton. Except from Scott Allan there isn’t a player who I think ‘oh I’m looking forward to seeing them play today’. The days of Ambrose, McGinn, McGeough and Stokes are sadly missed.

Funnily enough there are plenty of Hibs players I look forward to seeing - individuals that is. Flo, Allan, Gray, Rocky, Boyle, Middleton, Horgan on his day, McGregor, Stevenson - all players I enjoy watching and look forward to seeing play.

Because I like them as much as I do I find it tough to see them struggle. They're good players, they just need a bit of help to get us back to being able to enjoy watching them play again.

The way we are playing is making good players like poor players.

[flash]

I left at half time. Heartbroken. I used to be what you might call a happy clapper. I'm too long in the tooth now though. I've seen so many Hibs teams like the one I watched yesterday. Disjointed. Rudderless. I genuinely thought we'd left that messy, feint heartedness behind us.
In the past, I'd have wanted the manager to be given lots of time. Now, I want us to begin succession planning ASAP. We should have targets lined up for the end of the year. By then we'll be able say we gave Heck a chance, but crucially we'll still have the Jan window available for the new guy.
No use crying over spilled milk. No need to reinvent our recruitment process. We hired the wrong guy. It happens. Let the hard work to put it right start now.

Why would you leave at half time? The first half wasn't great but neither was it particularly bad.
Methinks you might be telling porkies for effect.

[Captain Trips]

The anxiousness from stands led to what then happend on the pitch which made players anxious and thus that anxiousness caused a goal?

Is this right or wrong? Also why were people anxious at 2-1?

[Sammy7nil]

The anxiousness from stands led to what then happend on the pitch which made players anxious and thus that anxiousness caused a goal?

Is this right or wrong? Also why were people anxious at 2-1?

Everyone in the ground could see their second goal was coming Fans, Manager and players and they were incapable of stopping it the surprise was it took so long.

[cabbageandribs1875]

heard a wee bit of sportsound on the way home


Richard gordon : mikey stewart said a st.johnstone goal was coming, which begs the Q why did heckingbottom not see it coming

[southern hibby]

I was board watching Hibs on Saturday. I felt there was very little atmosphere and thought that the boo’s were the loudest I’ve heard in a very long time.

If we moved the singing section back to the East would this lift the atmosphere and ultimately the players confidence? Make no mistake it’s taken us a long time to get the fans back in their numbers and the way things are going there will be a few leaving soon watching performances like Saturday’s.

GGTTH

[FitbaFolkKen]

Thats the typa message which was given out when fenlon was in charge,

its the guys who boo that want to win the most. The doom and gloomers are the real fans, their daily mood coincides with the fortunes of the team. They are the guys who the club should and need to be listening too, not the happy clapping, Oh it is just a game of football brigade.

Aye it was pretty awesome when Fenlon left us in 5th and we replaced him with Butcher. I bet Butcher booed the loudest in the interview and showed he wanted it the most.


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[Smartie]

heard a wee bit of sportsound on the way home


Richard gordon : mikey stewart said a st.johnstone goal was coming, which begs the Q why did heckingbottom not see it coming

In fairness, he did.

We started the 2nd half very badly, had the enforced injury change then he used up his last 2 subs on 62 minutes in an attempt to stem the tide. We were being over-run in midfield and Scott Allan was a bit lost on the right.

I don't think the changes he made were the right ones but he was trying to shore it up a bit and make it a bit harder to play through us. It didn't work and the pattern of play before the changes was exactly the same as after them.

By then he'd made all his subs and whether he saw the goal coming or not, I don't know what more he could have done with his subs made.

Put it this way though - everyone in the ground saw the goal coming so I'd be amazed if he didn't.

[mjhibby]

It’s hard to argue with any of that. There’s absolutely no chance the players should be crumbling under the expectations from the fans. I think he’s just making excuses for another horrendous performance.

My worry is we won’t act quickly to change it.

This is feeling like the mixu situation all over again. Mixu was hounded out after top six finishes but the fans saw his team as uninspiring. As with binning fenlon just be careful what you wish for. Easy for fans to moan but where is this mythical manager who will play free flowing football and get us into Europe. We all moan about how brutal the dons are and how we couldn't watch that every week. Mmm

[mjhibby]

Also we have never been a constant top six and challenging for Europe team. Maybe we got used to some lovely football with Dylan,Scotty and sjm but I'm sure we knew that was a once in a generation midfield. If we don't give Hecky time the revolving door of managers will spin again. Do we really want this. Seems loads do. I only hope we accepts the consequences

[J-C]

Flo should have done better than hitting the post. But the simple pass from Doidge wasn't great at all. It was a weird wee bobbly number instead of across the deck.

I actually think Doidge was fine yesterday though. Won a lot of flick ons and does a good amount of running, closing down and finds himself in good attaching positions.


The shot from Flo that hit the post took a nick off the defender onto the post, nothing much more Flo could've done.

[Smartie]

The shot from Flo that hit the post took a nick off the defender onto the post, nothing much more Flo could've done.

Flo did very well with what was a pretty poor pass - a horrible, bobbly shot to hit.

[southsider]

We are painfully slow all over the pitch. O'H beat Gray for fun out left and Saints could have done better with his crosses. We were dreadful and our recent signing are not up to scratch. We need pace in the team and a new manager that does not try to defend a one goal lead with 30 minutes to go. IMHO Hecky can get behind the wheel and drive back to England, the sooner the better.

[bingo70]

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/craig-levein-feels-heat-punters-19006936

6/1 for Heckingbottom to be the first manager to be sacked.

[AlbertK86]

We had a solid end to last year, just support the team and the players and if we don’t succeed then so be it. He will get sacked if he underperforms but it isn’t in our interests to drag him down it is in our interests to support the team.


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Great post mate. Totally agree

Expectation and entitlement levels amongst our support have gone through the roof.

He needs to be given time to get the newcomers settled in and then decide his best team.

After all even Sir Alex struggled for the first season and a half at Man U. Not for a minute comparing him to SAF but the negativity spread on social media and forums spreads like cancer.

He was partially correct about this feeling spreading onto the pitch.

Several players and opposing managers have acknowledged over the years that the mood of the home crowd at ER can have a negative effect on the team and boost opponents.

Not sure how anybody can think booing the team and being on their backs during a game helps.

Yep I get frustration but FFS he is right when he says we should back the team.




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[Wilson]

Also we have never been a constant top six and challenging for Europe team. Maybe we got used to some lovely football with Dylan,Scotty and sjm but I'm sure we knew that was a once in a generation midfield. If we don't give Hecky time the revolving door of managers will spin again. Do we really want this. Seems loads do. I only hope we accepts the consequences

Your line is defeatist. We've never been so what? We never will be? We started from a good place when we brought Hecky in. We had the players for him to drive into the top six. When you start from a good place and invest money - which we have done - then you don't expect to go backwards.

Our problem isn't what type of team we are historically. It isn't that the manager hasn't been allowed to bring his own players in. We have invested in a duff manager who has signed duds. That is the problem.

[#2 Double Tap]

Aye it was pretty awesome when Fenlon left us in 5th and we replaced him with Butcher. I bet Butcher booed the loudest in the interview and showed he wanted it the most.


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you are right he probably happy clapped like a seal.

[Real Emerald]

Your line is defeatist. We've never been so what? We never will be? We started from a good place when we brought Hecky in. We had the players for him to drive into the top six. When you start from a good place and invest money - which we have done - then you don't expect to go backwards.

Our problem isn't what type of team we are historically. It isn't that the manager hasn't been allowed to bring his own players in. We have invested in a duff manager who has signed duds. That is the problem.

Exactly 👍

[The Harp Awakes]

In fairness, he did.

We started the 2nd half very badly, had the enforced injury change then he used up his last 2 subs on 62 minutes in an attempt to stem the tide. We were being over-run in midfield and Scott Allan was a bit lost on the right.

I don't think the changes he made were the right ones but he was trying to shore it up a bit and make it a bit harder to play through us. It didn't work and the pattern of play before the changes was exactly the same as after them.

By then he'd made all his subs and whether he saw the goal coming or not, I don't know what more he could have done with his subs made.

Put it this way though - everyone in the ground saw the goal coming so I'd be amazed if he didn't.

For me the subs made things worse, mainly because when Doidge came off we lost his aerial presence in the last 3rd of the pitch where he had been winning most headers. From then on, every time a Hibs defender lumped it up the park the St J central defenders faced no challenge and were able to spray the ball about with ease. It heaped more and more pressure on us.

Fans aren't daft. They could see the substitutions were ludicrous and that's why there was the reaction there was.

[The Leith Dutch]

In fairness, he did.

We started the 2nd half very badly, had the enforced injury change then he used up his last 2 subs on 62 minutes in an attempt to stem the tide. We were being over-run in midfield and Scott Allan was a bit lost on the right.

I don't think the changes he made were the right ones but he was trying to shore it up a bit and make it a bit harder to play through us. It didn't work and the pattern of play before the changes was exactly the same as after them.

By then he'd made all his subs and whether he saw the goal coming or not, I don't know what more he could have done with his subs made.

Put it this way though - everyone in the ground saw the goal coming so I'd be amazed if he didn't.

I agree with the bit in bold.

Part of the issue for me is that he started with a team that a lot of people would have suspected would be easy to play through as a midfield of Allan and Mallan playing up the park and out wide with Vela holding the middle just isn't right.

The formation (a 4-1-2-3 presumably?) doesn't work.
I suspect it wouldn't work in the league full stop but certainly not with the players we've got.

I suspect a lot of managers are going to go with 2 or 3 combative midfielders against Hibs and find themselves on the front foot a lot due to our midfield not being there to take the ball off them.

[J-C]

I agree with the bit in bold.

Part of the issue for me is that he started with a team that a lot of people would have suspected would be easy to play through as a midfield of Allan and Mallan playing up the park and out wide with Vela holding the middle just isn't right.

The formation (a 4-1-2-3 presumably?) doesn't work.
I suspect it wouldn't work in the league full stop but certainly not with the players we've got.

I suspect a lot of managers are going to go with 2 or 3 combative midfielders against Hibs and find themselves on the front foot a lot due to our midfield not being there to take the ball off them.


That system will work but the 2 wider attacking players need to drop back and help out more, Middleton and Horgan were poor defensively, we miss Boyle's energy up and down the right wing, he does a power of work.

We still got overrun in the middle even after the changes, the balance of the players just wasn't right. Neither Mallan or Slivka can tackle and Vela is still miles behind fitness wise.

[007]

Thats the typa message which was given out when fenlon was in charge,

its the guys who boo that want to win the most. The doom and gloomers are the real fans, their daily mood coincides with the fortunes of the team. They are the guys who the club should and need to be listening too, not the happy clapping, Oh it is just a game of football brigade.

So people who didn't boo aren't real fans?

[007]

Your line is defeatist. We've never been so what? We never will be? We started from a good place when we brought Hecky in. We had the players for him to drive into the top six. When you start from a good place and invest money - which we have done - then you don't expect to go backwards.

Our problem isn't what type of team we are historically. It isn't that the manager hasn't been allowed to bring his own players in. We have invested in a duff manager who has signed duds. That is the problem.

You're saying mjhibby's line is defeatist and then go on to say the new players are duds after they've only played a handful of games. That sounds pretty defeatist to me.

You've stated we were in a good place when Hecky came in. We were on a bad run of results, so what is it that makes up the good place we were in? Your next sentence mentions we had the players for him to drive into the top 6 so if that is what makes up the good place, those players had us in 8th place after 25 games. I don't think it is fair to say we've gone backwards since Heckingbottom came in. Though I'm open to you convincing me we were in a good place on 12th Feb.

[#2 Double Tap]

So people who didn't boo aren't real fans?


The people who did not boo, do not want to win as much as the people who chose to do so, imo.

'Real fans' was a poor choice of words from me but I do think the people who want the club to advance
and prosper the most, tend not to be of the happy clapping variety, because those types are content with
any old *****.

[Since452]

The people who did not boo, do not want to win as much as the people who chose to do so, imo.

'Real fans' was a poor choice of words from me but I do think the people who want the club to advance
and prosper the most, tend not to be of the happy clapping variety, because those types are content with
any old *****.

Booing does absolutely nothing but dunt the players confidence further. We all saw it on Saturday. Roaring them on probably would have helped see us over the line imo. Calling ourselves supporters then booing doesn't make sense

[happiehibbie]

Boo more than 50% of us where booing. That was torcher on Saturday I am yet to see a performance.

What a load of tosh let the players bed in
he does not know his best team

he is a professional person in a role he should be able to carry out.

Sport is up and down levels change week on week. My issue is I don't see a coach who gets the best out his players or set up.

Let me highlight a simple job for a coach. Throw Ins, the set up and execution of them is NIL. If he cant get players to do deal with a throw in we have no chance.

for me this is the same style as Butcher its horrendous to watch.

[Heisenberg]

Booing does absolutely nothing but dunt the players confidence further. We all saw it on Saturday. Roaring them on probably would have helped see us over the line imo. Calling ourselves supporters then booing doesn't make sense

Would it? St Johnstone were all over us before the Allan sub. I doubt a wee bit of cheering from the stands would’ve stemmed the tide.

[we are hibs]

Would it? St Johnstone were all over us before the Allan sub. I doubt a wee bit of cheering from the stands would’ve stemmed the tide.

Exactly. We were shocking after around 30 minutes in and i dont know why people want to rewrite history to have a go at the hibs support. But i suppose thats the cool thing to do just now on here and facebook groups.

[#2 Double Tap]

Booing does absolutely nothing but dunt the players confidence further. We all saw it on Saturday. Roaring them on probably would have helped see us over the line imo. Calling ourselves supporters then booing doesn't make sense

seeing with your own eyes crap performances and the like, and saying or doing nothing to show displeasure is what doesnt make sense to me.

[Captain Trips]

Booing does absolutely nothing but dunt the players confidence further. We all saw it on Saturday. Roaring them on probably would have helped see us over the line imo. Calling ourselves supporters then booing doesn't make sense

Its almost countless the games I have been at when support has been fantastic but we have been beaten and that can go for games when maybe support hasnt been as loud and we have won. It is really as simple as we were not playing well enough. Read Jacksons comments about the crowd. As much as we like to think i really do not think we have as much influence at a match as we like to think.

[Peevemor]

Its almost countless the games I have been at when support has been fantastic but we have been beaten and that can go for games when maybe support hasnt been as loud and we have won. It is really as simple as we were not playing well enough. Read Jacksons comments about the crowd. As much as we like to think i really do not think we have as much influence at a match as we like to think.

Being constantly targetted for abuse by fans can destroy individual players self confidence. Joe Tortolano was a perfect example of this and numerous former team mates have spoken angrily about the abuse he got and how it affected him.

Supporters will often pat themselves on the back for being 'tremendous' at a given match - normally after a good result. Often this is also acknowledged in post match player & manager interviews.

If we accept this as true then it would be stupid to think that booing and abuse don't also have an affect.

[Hibbyradge]

Being constantly targetted for abuse by fans can destroy individual players self confidence. Joe Tortolano was a perfect example of this and numerous former team mates have spoken angrily about the abuse he got and how it affected him.

Supporters will often pat themselves on the back for being 'tremendous' at a given match - normally after a good result. Often this is also acknowledged in post match player & manager interviews.

If we accept this as true then it would be stupid to think that booing and abuse don't also have an affect.

I agree. More recently than Tortolano, Lewis Stevenson received dogs abuse from sections of our support for a good few years. Fortunately, he is strong enough mentally to deal with that.

Booing can only be detrimental to the team. The only positive is that it allows the individual who is doing the booing some release.

However, it seems to me that the recent booing has been as a result of the poor performances, not the cause of them.

[Peevemor]

I agree. More recently than Tortolano, Lewis Stevenson received dogs abuse from sections of our support for a good few years. Fortunately, he is strong enough mentally to deal with that.

Booing can only be detrimental to the team. The only positive is that it allows the individual who is doing the booing some release.

However, it seems to me that the recent booing has been as a result of the poor performances, not the cause of them.

I'm with you on that.

[SaulGoodman]

The people who did not boo, do not want to win as much as the people who chose to do so, imo.

'Real fans' was a poor choice of words from me but I do think the people who want the club to advance
and prosper the most, tend not to be of the happy clapping variety, because those types are content with
any old *****.

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[J-C]

Being constantly targetted for abuse by fans can destroy individual players self confidence. Joe Tortolano was a perfect example of this and numerous former team mates have spoken angrily about the abuse he got and how it affected him.

Supporters will often pat themselves on the back for being 'tremendous' at a given match - normally after a good result. Often this is also acknowledged in post match player & manager interviews.

If we accept this as true then it would be stupid to think that booing and abuse don't also have an affect.


Not one individual player is getting targeted by supporters, any booing or negativity is being shown towards either the manager of the team as a whole, who are not performing as they should. Stop trying to blame the fans for the pi sh on show, we've been poor since the friendlies, through the League cup games and onto the League games, yes we've won a few games but scraping past Stirling, extra time against Morton and humiliation against Rangers has got the fans on their backs early doors and nothing looks like improving very soon.

We've also not seen his high tempo, high pressing football and the players are all looking very unfit with little to no pace in the 11 players.

[calumhibee1]

Being constantly targetted for abuse by fans can destroy individual players self confidence. Joe Tortolano was a perfect example of this and numerous former team mates have spoken angrily about the abuse he got and how it affected him.

Supporters will often pat themselves on the back for being 'tremendous' at a given match - normally after a good result. Often this is also acknowledged in post match player & manager interviews.

If we accept this as true then it would be stupid to think that booing and abuse don't also have an affect.

:agree:

[flash]

Exactly. We were shocking after around 30 minutes in and i dont know why people want to rewrite history to have a go at the hibs support. But i suppose thats the cool thing to do just now on here and facebook groups.

Have you read the facebook groups? 99% of the punters on them are cutting the manager no slack whatsoever and there are barely any posts slating those who booed. Summing up the real "cool thing to do" seems to be to offer no support to the manager whatsoever.

[calumhibee1]

Not one individual player is getting targeted by supporters, any booing or negativity is being shown towards either the manager of the team as a whole, who are not performing as they should. Stop trying to blame the fans for the pi sh on show, we've been poor since the friendlies, through the League cup games and onto the League games, yes we've won a few games but scraping past Stirling, extra time against Morton and humiliation against Rangers has got the fans on their backs early doors and nothing looks like improving very soon.

We've also not seen his high tempo, high pressing football and the players are all looking very unfit with little to no pace in the 11 players.

The fans were on the clubs back for deservedly winning against St Mirren as well as some of the league cup games we won. Let’s not make out like it’s only been they 3 games they’ve been given stick for.

Like it or not, NOTHING positive can come out of the reaction from the fans on Saturday. The players and staff take the vast majority of blame for what goes on on the pitch, but there’s no way it can be argued that the reaction from the fans while 1-0 up on Saturday could only have been detrimental go the team. And it wasn’t just that the subs were booed, the atmosphere became poisonous for the rest of the game at that point.

[jeffers]

Being constantly targetted for abuse by fans can destroy individual players self confidence. Joe Tortolano was a perfect example of this and numerous former team mates have spoken angrily about the abuse he got and how it affected him.

Supporters will often pat themselves on the back for being 'tremendous' at a given match - normally after a good result. Often this is also acknowledged in post match player & manager interviews.

If we accept this as true then it would be stupid to think that booing and abuse don't also have an affect.

I'm pretty sure even the fans who boo individual players, if you asked them in the cold light of day, would admit it does nothing to help the player being targetted.

I did boo on Saturday, only at the Allan substitution and make no apologies for it. I was booing the manager and his decision, not the players going off or coming on and it seemed pretty obvious to me anyway that's why others were booing at that point.

[JimBHibees]

For me the subs made things worse, mainly because when Doidge came off we lost his aerial presence in the last 3rd of the pitch where he had been winning most headers. From then on, every time a Hibs defender lumped it up the park the St J central defenders faced no challenge and were able to spray the ball about with ease. It heaped more and more pressure on us.

Fans aren't daft. They could see the substitutions were ludicrous and that's why there was the reaction there was.

Not sure they were ludicrous apart from taking Allan off. Made some sense taking Doidge off and putting extra midfielder on but the 3 in the middle were so insipid it was unreal. Mallan and Slivka must be the most unphysical midfielders it is possible to have, Vela should not have been the attacking mid. We had numerous opportunities to keep the ball or be in on breaks but butchered everyone.

[JimBHibees]

I'm pretty sure even the fans who boo individual players, if you asked them in the cold light of day, would admit it does nothing to help the player being targetted.

I did boo on Saturday, only at the Allan substitution and make no apologies for it. I was booing the manager and his decision, not the players going off or coming on and it seemed pretty obvious to me anyway that's why others were booing at that point.

Yep was very clear it was for Scott coming off.

[J-C]

The fans were on the clubs back for deservedly winning against St Mirren as well as some of the league cup games we won. Let’s not make out like it’s only been they 3 games they’ve been given stick for.

Like it or not, NOTHING positive can come out of the reaction from the fans on Saturday. The players and staff take the vast majority of blame for what goes on on the pitch, but there’s no way it can be argued that the reaction from the fans while 1-0 up on Saturday could only have been detrimental go the team.


The football on view has been turgid, winning or not we still want to see a certain level of performance that gives value for our hard earned cash. I certainly don't want to turn up at ER having to watch negative sideways/backwards passing, extremely slow laborious build up play and finally hoofball to midget wing men. I want to be entertained, be excited and hopefully if it all works out win, the 5-5 final game against Rangers is what I'm on about, we needed lots of goals, went for it and it was thrilling. I DON'T want to see our manager 1-0 up at home take off our most important player ( who played out of position) and stick on players to shore up the midfield and "see out" the game.

[Peevemor]

Not one individual player is getting targeted by supporters, any booing or negativity is being shown towards either the manager of the team as a whole, who are not performing as they should. Stop trying to blame the fans for the pi sh on show, we've been poor since the friendlies, through the League cup games and onto the League games, yes we've won a few games but scraping past Stirling, extra time against Morton and humiliation against Rangers has got the fans on their backs early doors and nothing looks like improving very soon.

We've also not seen his high tempo, high pressing football and the players are all looking very unfit with little to no pace in the 11 players.

Whittaker? Flo (although not in his current form)? How long before it starts on Doidge, Newell, etc.?

And I'm not blaming the fans. I fully understand that many weren't happy with the team set-up/substitutions on Saturday. However, those who think that negativity from the stands doesn't affect the players are kidding themselves on.


I'm pretty sure even the fans who boo individual players, if you asked them in the cold light of day, would admit it does nothing to help the player being targetted.

I did boo on Saturday, only at the Allan substitution and make no apologies for it. I was booing the manager and his decision, not the players going off or coming on and it seemed pretty obvious to me anyway that's why others were booing at that point.

There wasn't only that though.

[jeffers]

The fans were on the clubs back for deservedly winning against St Mirren as well as some of the league cup games we won. Let’s not make out like it’s only been they 3 games they’ve been given stick for.

Like it or not, NOTHING positive can come out of the reaction from the fans on Saturday. The players and staff take the vast majority of blame for what goes on on the pitch, but there’s no way it can be argued that the reaction from the fans while 1-0 up on Saturday could only have been detrimental go the team. And it wasn’t just that the subs were booed, the atmosphere became poisonous for the rest of the game at that point.

I'm only referring to the booing at the substitutions but if our manager has a good hard look at himself, his formations, in particular his deployment of Scott Allan then something good could and should come of it. I suspect however he's going to be stubborn on this one and refuse to admit he's wrong. I don't accept that the players were effected by that booing it was clear it was the removal of SA, nothing to do with who was coming on.

[calumhibee1]

I'm only referring to the booing at the substitutions but if our manager has a good hard look at himself, his formations, in particular his deployment of Scott Allan then something good could and should come of it. I suspect however he's going to be stubborn on this one and refuse to admit he's wrong. I don't accept that the players were effected by that booing it was clear it was the removal of SA, nothing to do with who was coming on.

I can accept that it was obvious what people were booing, I don’t agree with that in the slightest though. But the atmosphere the rest of the game was poisonous off the back of that, so while people want to repeat that it was obvious that’s what they were booing (which it was) they need to acknowledge that it caused the rest of the game to be played out in a horrendous atmosphere. That’s not good for the team, no matter what the initial reason for it was.

[jeffers]

Whittaker? Flo (although not in his current form)? How long before it starts on Doidge, Newell, etc.?

And I'm not blaming the fans. I fully understand that many weren't happy with the team set-up/substitutions on Saturday. However, those who think that negativity from the stands doesn't affect the players are kidding themselves on.



There wasn't only that though.

Like I said I personally only booed when the substitutions were made, the only other two occasions I remember boos ringing out were at the two St Johnston goals, the first of which was equalised almost immediately the second was at the death. Not sure how much impact the booing at those points would have had on the players.

[jeffers]

I can accept that it was obvious what people were booing, I don’t agree with that in the slightest though. But the atmosphere the rest of the game was poisonous off the back of that, so while people want to repeat that it was obvious that’s what they were booing (which it was) they need to acknowledge that it caused the rest of the game to be played out in a horrendous atmosphere. That’s not good for the team, no matter what the initial reason for it was.

You don't think we should let our manager know when he's making a bad decision in badly utulising or best midfielder then hooking him when it unsurprisingly doesn't work out ? If we can't let him know then, when should we ? Or do you just think we should accept it ? If so you are a better and more restrained man than me Calum.

While I don't think the atmosphere was great after that it wasn't horrendous or poisonous IMO. I'm pretty sure if had been as bad as that Mikey Stewart would have commented on it as he was in attendance.

[JimBHibees]

I can accept that it was obvious what people were booing, I don’t agree with that in the slightest though. But the atmosphere the rest of the game was poisonous off the back of that, so while people want to repeat that it was obvious that’s what they were booing (which it was) they need to acknowledge that it caused the rest of the game to be played out in a horrendous atmosphere. That’s not good for the team, no matter what the initial reason for it was.

Don't think it was, supporters were on edge rightly so as we constantly gave the ball away however to say it was horrendous is overstating it.

[JimBHibees]

You don't think we should let our manager know when he's making a bad decision in badly utulising or best midfielder then hooking him when it unsurprisingly doesn't work out ? If we can't let him know then, when should we ? Or do you just think we should accept it ? If so you are a better and more restrained man than me Calum.

While I don't think the atmosphere was great after that it wasn't horrendous or poisonous IMO. I'm pretty sure if had been as bad as that Mikey Stewart would have commented on it as he was in attendance.

No I don't think fans should be booing who he decides to take off as fans wont know what has gone on at half time or during training during the week. He may have had a knock in the first half or only have just made the game. I totally didn't agree with the substitution and was surprised however never at any time thought of booing. We were leading at the time.

[calumhibee1]

No I don't think fans should be booing who he decides to take off as fans wont know what has gone on at half time or during training during the week. He may have had a knock in the first half or only have just made the game. I totally didn't agree with the substitution and was surprised however never at any time thought of booing. We were leading at the time.

Pretty much how I see it. We as fans could only dream of getting a managerial job at a club like Hibs. Hecky is more qualified to make they decisions than any of us. I’m not saying we have to agree with it but the idea that we’re to tell him he’s doing his job wrong is daft to me.

Maybe Allan was knackered due to a diabetes related issue? Maybe he had a knock? Maybe the flu? Who knows why the sub was made other than PH. I wouldn’t have made it, but then I can only base that on the fact I know he’s a great player, because I don’t know how Allan was feeling, I don’t know if he had a wee niggle and to be honest, he was having a poor game anyway.

[J-C]

Pretty much how I see it. We as fans could only dream of getting a managerial job at a club like Hibs. Hecky is more qualified to make they decisions than any of us. I’m not saying we have to agree with it but the idea that we’re to tell him he’s doing his job wrong is daft to me.

Maybe Allan was knackered due to a diabetes related issue? Maybe he had a knock? Maybe the flu? Who knows why the sub was made other than PH. I wouldn’t have made it, but then I can only base that on the fact I know he’s a great player, because I don’t know how Allan was feeling, I don’t know if he had a wee niggle and to be honest, he was having a poor game anyway.


He didn't look knackered or carrying a knock, if anything he looked pis sed off being stuck out wide and not involved as he should've been in the game and when he did come inside, he sparked into life, when he went off he ran over to the side without any sign of tiredness or injury.

[JimBHibees]

He didn't look knackered or carrying a knock, if anything he looked pis sed off being stuck out wide and not involved as he should've been in the game and when he did come inside, he sparked into life, when he went off he ran over to the side without any sign of tiredness or injury.

Agree with that he didn't look injured or knackered and the timing was odd giving he had just played a lovely ball through for Doidge when he should have done better.

[J-C]

Agree with that he didn't look injured or knackered and the timing was odd giving he had just played a lovely ball through for Doidge when he should have done better.


Playing as a winger needs more energy and tactical knowledge than you'd think, you have to be able to get up and down all game, defending and attacking and knowing who to pick up when defending. You can't just throw an attacking midfielder onto the wing and expect him to suddenly be top notch at it, Boyle is very good at that, he attacks with pace but also knows when to drop back and help out his FB. Horgan on the other hand defends poorly, loses his man when defending and blows out hes erse after 50mins.

[calumhibee1]

He didn't look knackered or carrying a knock, if anything he looked pis sed off being stuck out wide and not involved as he should've been in the game and when he did come inside, he sparked into life, when he went off he ran over to the side without any sign of tiredness or injury.

Again, I wouldn’t have made the sub. But maybe if he was looking pissed off and wasn’t involved then that’s why he came off? Maybe PH thought he wasn’t putting in enough effort and his attitude wasn’t great if he looked pissed off?

I would have kept him on and moved him into the middle and taken Mallan off, but I’m sure there would have been a logic to PH thinking. Let’s keep in mind that if there’s one thing that people have to give him some credit for it’s that he’s generally been pretty good at making changes that work for us in games. I doubt anyone on here would have made all the changes that have worked for us during his tenure. He’s never going to get them all right though and when he doesn’t we shouldn’t suddenly be making out like we as fans know better.

[J-C]

Again, I wouldn’t have made the sub. But maybe if he was looking pissed off and wasn’t involved then that’s why he came off? Maybe PH thought he wasn’t putting in enough effort and his attitude wasn’t great if he looked pissed off?

I would have kept him on and moved him into the middle and taken Mallan off, but I’m sure there would have been a logic to PH thinking. Let’s keep in mind that if there’s one thing that people have to give him some credit for it’s that he’s generally been pretty good at making changes that work for us in games. I doubt anyone on here would have made all the changes that have worked for us during his tenure. He’s never going to get them all right though and when he doesn’t we shouldn’t suddenly be making out like we as fans know better.


Exactly and that's why there were boos, everyone in the crowd could see that Mallan was a passenger and the shape needed Allan in the middle dictating the play like he does so well. He got it all wrong with the team shape and when he changed it he left the wrong players on the field which made us even worse, we're still a soft touch unfortunately.

[JimBHibees]

Playing as a winger needs more energy and tactical knowledge than you'd think, you have to be able to get up and down all game, defending and attacking and knowing who to pick up when defending. You can't just throw an attacking midfielder onto the wing and expect him to suddenly be top notch at it, Boyle is very good at that, he attacks with pace but also knows when to drop back and help out his FB. Horgan on the other hand defends poorly, loses his man when defending and blows out hes erse after 50mins.

Agree a totally different role than what Scott is used to. Manager probably thought he could get away with it however Kennedy was a dangerous winger last season and is still one especially against a 60% fit full back. Agree about Horgan too very weak defensively.

[calumhibee1]

Exactly and that's why there were boos, everyone in the crowd could see that Mallan was a passenger and the shape needed Allan in the middle dictating the play like he does so well. He got it all wrong with the team shape and when he changed it he left the wrong players on the field which made us even worse, we're still a soft touch unfortunately.

Mallan was a passenger, agree. I think he deserves a bit of slack though, people are adamant that they were booing his subs yet his ability to change a game has been one of his best attributes at Hibs. The minute he got it wrong (and at that point nobody knew if it was even going to be wrong) the crowd went nuts and the atmosphere was minging afterwards with every mistake being hounded. It’s not good for anybody.

He’s done himself no favours with his comments afterwards however.

[hibsbollah]

Seems loads do. I only hope we accepts the consequences

Its easy to demand managers are sacked when things aren't going well for your club, because you can never be wrong. You can protect your Fan Ego. If the results take a turn for the better you can say 'see? We're well shot of that heck idiot', I told you so', and if things don't get better, well, that's just another one in the line of rubbish managers.

Getting behind a manager when you're in the minority can sometimes feel like hope over expectation. But it doesn't mean you're wrong.

And let's park this 'rewriting history' nonsense right now. I was in the west lower near the FF on Saturday and I haven't experienced vitriol like that since a certain Hampden Cup final. Some real self entitled, vein bulging tantrum behaviour. With far less justification this time.

[J-C]

Mallan was a passenger, agree. I think he deserves a bit of slack though, people are adamant that they were booing his subs yet his ability to change a game has been one of his best attributes at Hibs. The minute he got it wrong (and at that point nobody knew if it was even going to be wrong) the crowd went nuts and the atmosphere was minging afterwards with every mistake being hounded. It’s not good for anybody.

He’s done himself no favours with his comments afterwards however.


Until Allan went off most of the chat around me and at half time was WTF was Allan doing on the right wing as he looked way out his depth there, he was giving almost zero help to Gray, in fact it was because Allan was slow to react to that caused Gray's injury. The fact that nearly all the crowd could see this not working and also the poor display in general, taking off your most creative player and leaving on Mallan was the last straw in the game and the fans vented their anger towards the manager.

[jeffers]

Until Allan went off most of the chat around me and at half time was WTF was Allan doing on the right wing as he looked way out his depth there, he was giving almost zero help to Gray, in fact it was because Allan was slow to react to that caused Gray's injury. The fact that nearly all the crowd could see this not working and also the poor display in general, taking off your most creative player and leaving on Mallan was the last straw in the game and the fans vented their anger towards the manager.

Agree with all of that and you don’t have to be a football manager to see it. I’d say Mikey Stewart is a decent punter who has played at a decent level, making him more qualified than most of us to give an opinion and he’s saying the same. Scott Allan is wasted out on the right.

[J-C]

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/paul-heckingbottom-should-apologise-hibs-16820590?fbclid=IwAR2eQ4mKbTAtNknLa-r_UoH8odpeUWR1hsvzY0FvPH1ZZt63yLzA4AB94p

Jackie McNamara snr having a swipe at him.

[happiehibbie]

Not one individual player is getting targeted by supporters, any booing or negativity is being shown towards either the manager of the team as a whole, who are not performing as they should. Stop trying to blame the fans for the pi sh on show, we've been poor since the friendlies, through the League cup games and onto the League games, yes we've won a few games but scraping past Stirling, extra time against Morton and humiliation against Rangers has got the fans on their backs early doors and nothing looks like improving very soon.

We've also not seen his high tempo, high pressing football and the players are all looking very unfit with little to no pace in the 11 players.


well said JC

[happiehibbie]

I'm pretty sure even the fans who boo individual players, if you asked them in the cold light of day, would admit it does nothing to help the player being targetted.

I did boo on Saturday, only at the Allan substitution and make no apologies for it. I was booing the manager and his decision, not the players going off or coming on and it seemed pretty obvious to me anyway that's why others were booing at that point.


Agree

[The Wireless]

Pretty much how I see it. We as fans could only dream of getting a managerial job at a club like Hibs. Hecky is more qualified to make they decisions than any of us. I’m not saying we have to agree with it but the idea that we’re to tell him he’s doing his job wrong is daft to me.

Maybe Allan was knackered due to a diabetes related issue? Maybe he had a knock? Maybe the flu? Who knows why the sub was made other than PH. I wouldn’t have made it, but then I can only base that on the fact I know he’s a great player, because I don’t know how Allan was feeling, I don’t know if he had a wee niggle and to be honest, he was having a poor game anyway.

Fair comments Calum. I know we all mostly see the game and have different opinions.How I saw it was Scott Allan as most are well aware is not best suited to the role our manager asked him to perform on Saturday. The position out wide is one which required more work and a different responsibility off the ball than on it and Scott’s talent is better suited as a No. 10 behind the striker/s. What I found very strange was Heckys tactical thought process after the player was substituted. Moving Vela to the position off Kamberi, which is unquestionably Allan’s most effective and favoured role. Mallan in the deeper role was bizarre to say the least and not a decision I would expect from a superior tactician who at last realised we were outnumbered in central midfield. We lost our talisman and a player we bought to play this deeper role in 1 very poor substitution. I do not have his qualifications but I do not suffer from the ‘know nothing’. mentality often directed at paying supporters. I did not boo his decision on Saturday but imo it was Daft and he got it big time wrong on this occasion. I believe others had similar thoughts. :agree:

[Captain Trips]

Being constantly targetted for abuse by fans can destroy individual players self confidence. Joe Tortolano was a perfect example of this and numerous former team mates have spoken angrily about the abuse he got and how it affected him.

Supporters will often pat themselves on the back for being 'tremendous' at a given match - normally after a good result. Often this is also acknowledged in post match player & manager interviews.

If we accept this as true then it would be stupid to think that booing and abuse don't also have an affect.

Im not talking about singling out individuals which is a totally different matter, the team being booed in general at HT or FT is very different from 1 player getting it tight for 90mins. As i said the general atmosphere in the stadium IMO will have little effect on the match outcome only the players decide this.

3-0 Vs Sevco we are bouncing they are raging final score 5-5 why? because our players failed to do the job. 3-0 vs Falkirk cup semi I think there were plenty of boos that day. It is down to the the players and we sometimes give the noise we make to much kudos on its actual affect. The player will know themself if played well or not irrespective of mass booing or cheering.

[Marvellous]

https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/football/paul-heckingbottom-should-apologise-hibs-16820590?fbclid=IwAR2eQ4mKbTAtNknLa-r_UoH8odpeUWR1hsvzY0FvPH1ZZt63yLzA4AB94p

Jackie McNamara snr having a swipe at him.

Doubt many other people will have found Heck's interview "astonishing". What an unhelpful over reaction.

[blackpoolhibs]

Pretty much how I see it. We as fans could only dream of getting a managerial job at a club like Hibs. Hecky is more qualified to make they decisions than any of us. I’m not saying we have to agree with it but the idea that we’re to tell him he’s doing his job wrong is daft to me.

:faf: I refer the honorable gentleman to last season.

[calumhibee1]

:faf: I refer the honorable gentleman to last season.

You are utterly obsessed with me, it’s absolutely tragic on your part. As soon as I saw you were the last poster on the thread I knew it would be to attempt to have a go at me. Got an absolute hard on for me.

[blackpoolhibs]

You are utterly obsessed with me, it’s absolutely tragic on your part. As soon as I saw you were the last poster on the thread I knew it would be to attempt to have a go at me. Got an absolute hard on for me.


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