Motherwell v Hibs

[SRHibs]

It will cost us an absolute fortune to punt Lennon. Our best hope is that he walks

Which he has no incentive to do now. A few months ago he would've been able to leave and move into a decent job. I don't think the same applies now.

[hibee_girl]

Pushing the boat out for Scotty right now would be pointless. Top 6 goes tonight.

We've still got a Scottish Cup to win :greengrin

[SlickShoes]

Kamberi blames a cross for him being offside.

He wasn't offside on the replay.

[neil7908]

the table doesn’t lie,we are where we are cos there is a real lack of quality in our squad

I'm honestly not sure that's the case. I'm beginning to think pretty strongly that this is the manager.

We've had a good spell in Europe, beaten the teams first and second in the league and humped Hamilton 6-0.

We have the nucleus of a good side but some huge gaps in the team and a manger who looks like he doesn't know how to put a team out to win games.

[AZhibee]

Motm Rocky 😟

[The 90+2]

It will cost us an absolute fortune to punt Lennon. Our best hope is that he walks

Will it cost more the way it’s heading? We have a manager who I don’t think wants to be here setting a team up based on tombola and we are heading in one direction. Signing ***** just for the sake of it.

[Speedway]

Flo misses by inches.

Beyond him to score by inches I presume?

[ehf]

One comedy team selection too many for me. It's time.

:agree:

[HibbyKeith]

5 mins added time to be played

[SirDavidsNapper]

He should have been finished ages ago. He should definitely be finished after tonight.

Correct. Seems more people are finally starting to agree

[Cameron1875]

He jacked it in after Hearts 2-1 last season when he went AWOL.

It's not been the same since.

[Gatecrasher]

I wish it were that good.
Not bad enough to be relegated but not good enough to compete.

[Scottie]

Maybe Lennon’s thinking you’ll never win anything with rejects.

Calling Mr. S. Clarke...
Your having a laugh. Why the hell would Clarke even consider jumping ship to us after what he's built at Killie :confused:

[The 90+2]

We've still got a Scottish Cup to win :greengrin

Would take it to be honest 😂 he’s due a cup win 👍

[Lee Marvin]

Whittaker puts in the best cross the world has ever seen.

We’ve been bullied tonight. Again


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Lennon knows this. He says we are the 7 dwarfs. Yet he keeps signing dwarf after dwarf....

Get him out

[Stuart93]

But recruitment videos?

[mcfly]

Serious investment needed or its bottom 6 and a lot smaller crowds.

[Jim44]

Pushing the boat out for Scotty right now would be pointless. Top 6 goes tonight.

7th or 8th will be an achievement with what we have.

[jacomo]

the table doesn’t lie,we are where we are cos there is a real lack of quality in our squad


I just don’t think that’s true.

Unbalanced squad sure, but we have some good players.

[Speedway]

He jacked it in after Hearts 2-1 last season when he went AWOL.

It's not been the same since.

I’d say it was Tynie this year when he jacked it.

[SHODAN]

We finally decide to go up the pitch in injury time, only to realise we can't put the ball in the net because we haven't signed any ****ing strikers.

[neil7908]

Serious investment needed or its bottom 6 and a lot smaller crowds.

I'm not sure I'd be throwing a lot of money at the current manager...

[WeeRussell]

Just a wee reminder that it’s not so long that Lennon was the best manager we’d ever had, or at the very least since Eddie Turnbull, and we are lucky to have him. Posters on here that didn’t agree knew nothing about football.

My point being that emotions are high as we’re about to suffer a defeat by poor performance. Things will calm down and we attempt to put them right on Saturday, make a few more adjustments by the end of the window and try and push on in this second half.

[Borderhibbie76]

Seriously losing interest in this season...it's one inept performance after another...dreadful stuff. Lennon needs to sort this and fast

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[killie-hibby]

It will cost us an absolute fortune to punt Lennon. Our best hope is that he walks

Is he on a rolling or fixed term contract?

[hhibs]

[QUOTE=Cameron1875;5673675]He jacked it in after Hearts 2-1 last season when he went AWOL.

It's not been the same since.[/QUOTE

]Hmm,interesting point,what do others think ?

[MacGruber]

Serious investment needed or its bottom 6 and a lot smaller crowds.

I don't want Lennon given anymore funds. Hope he is gone by the morning.

[madhatter]

Started the season with a tiny squad. We've lost our best player (based on this season), Efe. We've signed 2 players on loan to add to the tiny squad and a pre-contract agreement with Scott Allan. Lennon, recruitment team, coaches and everyone at the club (from a footballing perspective) needs to take a look at what they are doing. What are we building for? On paper we have good players but we have a shambolic team. We are so slow in every transfer window and its normally loans we are working with. Look how many midfielders we have and yet we still can't put together a good midfield. We are terribly short in defence and upfront and have zero competition at CB,RB,LB,ST and on the wings. Serious problems.

[confused]

I’m sure we could play here until next week and never score

[The Spaceman]

So bad. Absolutely disgusting performance. Worst I’ve seen in a long time.

[SirDavidsNapper]

At least the players have a nice tan though

[cabbageandribs1875]

a thumping for st.mirren tonight, there's only one team they could wish to play next

[Brightside]

Top 8 is best we can do this season. We need a new RB, CB, Forward and 2 wingers. Gauld and Slvka only ones with pass points tonight. But Lennon must take the blame for crazy set up against an industrial team like Well.

[mcfly]

Just a wee reminder that it’s not so long that Lennon was the best manager we’d ever had, or at the very least since Eddie Turnbull, and we are lucky to have him. Posters on here that didn’t agree knew nothing about football.

My point being that emotions are high as we’re about to suffer a defeat by poor performance. Things will calm down and we attempt to put them right on Saturday, make a few more adjustments by the end of the window and try and push on in this second half.

Sorry but it’s poor performance after poor performance after poor performance.

This is the norm now. Not good enough

[Borderhibbie76]

Just a wee reminder that it’s not so long that Lennon was the best manager we’d ever had, or at the very least since Eddie Turnbull, and we are lucky to have him. Posters on here that didn’t agree knew nothing about football.

My point being that emotions are high as we’re about to suffer a defeat by poor performance. Things will calm down and we attempt to put them right on Saturday, make a few more adjustments by the end of the window and try and push on in this second half.He's not even close to being that...seriously overrated by a lot of hibs fans...we are currently nowhere near the top 6 under his stewardship and his team...his players
..his recruitment

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[cleanyman]

Predicted this season would be terrible and it has been.

For as long as we persist with Mallan and the likes we are doomed

Folk were saying how great the midfield were against Elgin. Yes. Elgin

Talk about deluded

Bottom 6 this season it is

[J-C]

I don't want to go Lennon bashing but the constant random team selections after a half decent weekend performance makes me think he's not really all that and is living off his Celtic reputation. I wasn't a fan of Lennon when he came but gave him my backing as he was still our manager, far too many incidents involving himself and bizarre team shapes and performances, maybe time for a re think from LD because keep this form up and well be back in the championship.

[calumhibee1]

Just a wee reminder that it’s not so long that Lennon was the best manager we’d ever had, or at the very least since Eddie Turnbull, and we are lucky to have him. Posters on here that didn’t agree knew nothing about football.

My point being that emotions are high as we’re about to suffer a defeat by poor performance. Things will calm down and we attempt to put them right on Saturday, make a few more adjustments by the end of the window and try and push on in this second half.

It was last season he was the best we’d had since ET. This season he’s the worst we’ve had since Butcher. Infact, he’s worse seeing as he has 16000 fans turning up and funding this every week.

[Hibs90]

Is he on a rolling or fixed term contract?

Ends 2020.

Or hopefully tomorrow.

[SHODAN]

Top six is more than likely gone so no point in changing the manager. If Lennon manages to arrest this decline, he'll keep his job. If not, the board will sack him.

[we are hibs]

Still a complete shambles. Lennon though what a winner :rolleyes:

[hfc-1875]

Absolutely murder stuff, no game plan no creativity no fight. Even the Motherwell tv commentators were slating Whittaker tonight, he should be nowhere near our team! Far too many passengers tonight and several more signings needed this window.

[Borderhibbie76]

Top 8 is best we can do this season. We need a new RB, CB, Forward and 2 wingers. Gauld and Slvka only ones with pass points tonight. But Lennon must take the blame for crazy set up against an industrial team like Well.Can u maybe let our manager no so he can extract his finger from his backside before the window slams shut - cheers

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[BarcelonaHibee]

That reminded me of days of Terry Butcher

[SeanWilson]

Absolutely murder stuff, no game plan no creativity no fight. Even the Motherwell tv commentators were slating Whittaker tonight, he should be nowhere near our team! Far too many passengers tonight and several more signings needed this window.The he's been on the tins at half time comment was some light relief [emoji1787][emoji1787]

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[PeeJay]

At no point in this game did we look like we were getting anything from it - absolutely shocking performance all round ...

[Hibee Mac]

Anyone who was holding onto hope of a resurgence, there's your answer the league season is well and truly over and it's January. We honestly need to worry about potential for relegation.

As for Lennon, time is up now he's lost it no question.

[Ilovehibs]

I don't want to go Lennon bashing but the constant random team selections after a half decent weekend performance makes me think he's not really all that and is living off his Celtic reputation. I wasn't a fan of Lennon when he came but gave him my backing as he was still our manager, far too many incidents involving himself and bizarre team shapes and performances, maybe time for a re think from LD because keep this form up and well be back in the championship.

Says it all

[SChibs]

It was last season he was the best we’d had since ET. This season he’s the worst we’ve had since Butcher. Infact, he’s worse seeing as he has 16000 fans turning up and funding this every week.

We've only had 2 managers since butcher!

[DavidDavidGray]

Shameful, has been since John McGinn left. 3 wins in 15 games is unacceptable, genuinely no way of defending thag. Need about 3/4 players in for Sunday to avoid another honking result. Lennon is lucky it is January so he gets the transfer window or else he would be gone by now imo.

[James310]

Thanks Hibs. 21615

[Weegreenman]

Paying the price for not signing quality players in the summer. The guys we have brought to the club simply aren’t good enough. Over to you Mr Lennon. :confused:

[hfc-1875]

The he's been on the tins at half time comment was some light relief [emoji1787][emoji1787]

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Hahaha had a wee laugh at that one 😂

[Stuart93]

Lennon has to go to have any chance of trying to make something of this season.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

One of the worst match threads for a while, time to go? 😣

[delbert]

But recruitment videos?

Took us into this season at least three players short having lost an entire midfield and knowing about fitness issues up front. We are now almost at the end of another transfer window and the same issues pretty much still exist plus we have a defence who look soft as ***** ! Certainly seems to me that at the very least there are questions to be asked about recruitment policy, both quality and of the manager signing off on some of these clearly substandard signings.

[Northernhibee]

Top 8 is best we can do this season. We need a new RB, CB, Forward and 2 wingers. Gauld and Slvka only ones with pass points tonight. But Lennon must take the blame for crazy set up against an industrial team like Well.

We have a brilliant one already.

Who can't get off the bench.

[SaulGoodman]

Has the Hibs match report boy been drinking? We created numerous chances apparently

[sorrow sorrow]

I just don’t think that’s true.

Unbalanced squad sure, but we have some good players.3/4 good players,the rest are average honest players.we are bang average and I think the table is a true picture of where we are

[madhatter]

Top six is more than likely gone so no point in changing the manager. If Lennon manages to arrest this decline, he'll keep his job. If not, the board will sack him.

I'm hoping he walks. I can't see him stopping this rot. I don't think he knows what he is doing tbh. His demeanour has changed on the touchline and in the interviews he decides to do - think this shows something is wrong.

[flash]

Top 8 is best we can do this season. We need a new RB, CB, Forward and 2 wingers. Gauld and Slvka only ones with pass points tonight. But Lennon must take the blame for crazy set up against an industrial team like Well.

We have one of the best right backs around. He just doesn't get picked.

[SirDavidsNapper]

To put it in context 3 wins in 15 league games is worse than Fenlon, Calderwood, Yogi and Butcher achieved when they were emptied, left whatever.

[Not In The Know]

Serious investment needed or its bottom 6 and a lot smaller crowds.


folk keep saying this but we are investing. We pay very decent wages to marquee players.

Managers not getting the best out them at the moment.

**** knows what's going on with Kamberi - he's not a hold up player he has clearly been told to try and gather/shield the ball and bring others into the game. Berra took him to school the other week and so will any other journey man clogger defender.

[fulshie]

It was a bad performance and it is frustrating, but we are rebuilding. It was always going to be difficult to replace the midfield of McGinn, McGeoch and Allen. Hopefully the new recruits will start to gel but, I feel we need a good ball winner and i'm afraid they don't fall off trees too often.

[calumhibee1]

We've only had 2 managers since butcher!

Realised that after I said it :greengrin

Every bit as bad this season if not worse than all the duds we had in the last 10 years or so.

[One Day]

I’ve turned it off, we could play all night and not score

I felt the same. stopped watching live stream and just kept checking the score. You get games like that. We will see what Sunday brings

[GreenCastle]

Width / speed / energy(bite) with a bit of quality / creativity - no coincidence we don’t have this and are easy to play against.

Too many passers and we need a settled side which has been so hrs with injuries and mixed form of players

[matty_f]

To put it in context 3 wins in 15 league games is worse than Fenlon, Calderwood, Yogi and Butcher achieved when they were emptied, left whatever.

And we've been playing progressively worse as the season has gone on.

[FitbaFolkKen]

There certainly is a point. We might be able to salvage most of our ST holders if we get a decent run of form built up over the next few months.

Maybe entice you back ;)

Despite my avatar that was absolutely garbage, I like Lennon but the last 3/4 months has been dreadful.

[Nicho87]

If Lennon left now I genuinely think it might be for the best.

[hhibs]

I'm hoping he walks. I can't see him stopping this rot. I don't think he knows what he is doing tbh. His demeanour has changed on the touchline and in the interviews he decides to do - think this shows something is wrong.

Yep.

[Hibeesmad]

Very disappointing. Don’t beat St Mirren and it’s going to be a long end to season.

We will probably end up 10th and win the Scottish Cup 😁😁

[Not In The Know]

We have one of the best right backs around. He just doesn't get picked.

who?

[The Harp Awakes]

Yet again back from an expensive trip in the sun and we put in a woeful performance. After the failed La Manga trips it's time we learned our lesson that it doesn't work for us.

[SaulGoodman]

I felt the same. stopped watching live stream and just kept checking the score. You get games like that. We will see what Sunday brings

I wish I shared your optimism. I’m usually quite optimistic but Hibs have me miserable right now.

[SaulGoodman]

who?

You joking? David Gray

[SeanWilson]

Only just popped on to this so not sure if mentioned already but wtf was 'the hibs k a n t e' supposed to be doing in the first half? Looked like he'd never seen a ball before!

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[calumhibee1]

If Lennon left now I genuinely think it might be for the best.

I’d be delighted.

[Alex Trager]

We have a brilliant one already.

Who can't get off the bench.

Who also happens to be a proper leader

[angus hibby]

Regular public criticism of the players and no great surprise IF the players aren’t playing for him. Check all the ex pros reactions to Sarri’s comments at the weekend and you’ll see it’s a big no go nowadays.

Look at the difference at Man United.

[SChibs]

People on here said Main wasn't good enough when he was mentioned on the transfer thread but he's exactly what we are looking for when people say we need a target man. He can hold it up and bully defenders into mistakes like he did quite often with whittaker tonight

[hhibs]

Very disappointing. Don’t beat St Mirren and it’s going to be a long end to season.

We will probably end up 10th and win the Scottish Cup 😁😁



At present don't think we could win a tea cup.

[SideBurns]

It was a bad performance and it is frustrating, but we are rebuilding. It was always going to be difficult to replace the midfield of McGinn, McGeoch and Allen. Hopefully the new recruits will start to gel but, I feel we need a good ball winner and i'm afraid they don't fall off trees too often.

We started with Bartley and Omeonga in the midfield - do we need 3 ball winners in there, then?

[MacGruber]

I would thank Lennon for his time at the club and wish him well. Like Mixu and Yogi before him - popular characters and some successful moments on the field but there comes a tipping point and a change is needed. His time has come now and for the sake of the football club it is time for an amicable parting of the ways.

[Not In The Know]

http://www.hibs.net/images/hibsnet/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by J-C http://www.hibs.net/images/hibsnet/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?p=5673714#post5673714)
I don't want to go Lennon bashing but the constant random team selections after a half decent weekend performance makes me think he's not really all that and is living off his Celtic reputation. I wasn't a fan of Lennon when he came but gave him my backing as he was still our manager, far too many incidents involving himself and bizarre team shapes and performances, maybe time for a re think from LD because keep this form up and well be back in the championship.



Says it all


im starting to feel this also....

[SChibs]

Only just popped on to this so not sure if mentioned already but wtf was 'the hibs k a n t e' supposed to be doing in the first half? Looked like he'd never seen a ball before!

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I thought he looked okay just caught out by the speed of the game here. He is obviously used to more time on the ball by the looks of it

[cabbageandribs1875]

You joking? David Gray



tbf 'not in the know' doesn't know



but we do

[bingo70]

Such a lack of quality all over the side but particularly in the final third.

I’ve been a bit concerned about our transfer activity and the players we’re being linked with. To me there doesn’t appear to be a plan or a preferred system that suits our players. Imo that showed tonight, the formation just doesn’t make sense and if we bring in a forward, Allan and a winger that’s just going to confuse things further imo.

[SaulGoodman]

We’re not going to sack a manager half way through a transfer window

[Jim44]

Anyone who was holding onto hope of a resurgence, there's your answer the league season is well and truly over and it's January. We honestly need to worry about potential for relegation.

As for Lennon, time is up now he's lost it no question.

I think we’ll scrape a few draws to keep us away from relegation but we really are a rank bottom six team. I’ve tried to avoid pointing the finger at Lennon but it’s getting to the point where I’d breath a sigh of relief if he walked.

[Wheat Hound]

Glad the mid season trip abroad worked well again.

[we are hibs]

Is that 2 wins in 14 now? That's relegation form. Standards have slipped massively. Can get all the good players you want but the game plan will stay the same, brainless punts up the park to kamberi.

[Smartie]

It was a bad performance and it is frustrating, but we are rebuilding. It was always going to be difficult to replace the midfield of McGinn, McGeoch and Allen. Hopefully the new recruits will start to gel but, I feel we need a good ball winner and i'm afraid they don't fall off trees too often.

No we're not.

We're signing pretty good players in on short term loans then not utilising them properly.

We have excellent, proven players not getting a game. We're dropping the only players (Mackie and Slivka) who are in anything like decent form.

The players we have signed on long contracts are gash, and not going to improve. 3 years to Whittaker and Mallan? You're not going to teach these players to have the athleticism to improve their game.

We're a directionless shambles and I'm afraid I've lost patience as I don't see where we are going.

[hibee_girl]

We’re not going to sack a manager half way through a transfer window

:agree:

More than halfway, it closes next Thursday. Would be crazy to think we could sack Lennon, get a more than decent manager in and then be able to convince players to come to us all in that timeframe.

[Wheat Hound]

For the first time since Stubbs came in it's stopped being enjoyable watching Hibs again.

[matty_f]

We’re not going to sack a manager half way through a transfer window

And rightly so.

I don't think Lennon is a bad manager, but he's struggling just now.

I'd give him until the end of the season regardless, unless we were in relegation danger.

[nonshinyfinish]

Has the Hibs match report boy been drinking? We created numerous chances apparently

It's true in the literal sense of 'numerous' that there were a number of chances. Just a very small number.

[mcfly]

folk keep saying this but we are investing. We pay very decent wages to marquee players.

Managers not getting the best out them at the moment.

**** knows what's going on with Kamberi - he's not a hold up player he has clearly been told to try and gather/shield the ball and bring others into the game. Berra took him to school the other week and so will any other journey man clogger defender.

Kamberi is played up front on his own.
No help and is criticised by Lennon.

It’s the managers fault with his team selection and persistence in
playing Mallan.

This season needs s dramatic turnaround now

Sunday is must win

[calumhibee1]

We’re not going to sack a manager half way through a transfer window

Only reason people are talking about sacking him now is because it wasn’t done when it should have been a month or so ago.

[where'stheslope]

I would thank Lennon for his time at the club and wish him well. Like Mixu and Yogi before him - popular characters and some successful moments on the field but there comes a tipping point and a change is needed. His time has come now and for the sake of the football club it is time for an amicable parting of the ways.
Now is not the time to bring in a new manager!
Only a week till the window shuts and find a new manager?
Anyone wanting the job, must either be wanting a quick payday, or just wants to say he managed Hibs!!!

[Stuart93]

We’re not going to sack a manager half way through a transfer window

We’re well over half way. And we’ve lost more players than we’ve brought in from what was already a struggling squad

[Not In The Know]

Genuine question. What were our tactics tonight btw?

I tuned in for the second half and genuinely couldn't figure it out. One up front? Why did Omeonga get subbed?

[we are hibs]

We’re not going to sack a manager half way through a transfer window

He shouldn't have been given any of the window. Should have been gone after the hearts defeat. They've stuck by him now so he will be here until the end of the season now unless he walks but we won't finish anywhere near top 6 this season.

[elevengoats]

Okay, this was really, really bad. I want to see Lennon explain his tactics. And don't want him to criticise the players, Lennon had several weeks to prepare the team for this game. Also don't want to see Parker in the post match interview whilst Lennon is hiding behind the curtains.

[cabbageandribs1875]

why can't we just play either of the old firm every week :boo hoo:

[BOB MARLEYS DUG]

Thanks Hibs. 21615

Never bet your own team to win, number one rule. Rookie error that.

[madhatter]

Only just popped on to this so not sure if mentioned already but wtf was 'the hibs k a n t e' supposed to be doing in the first half? Looked like he'd never seen a ball before!

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We decided to do a Sarri, have a box-to-box midfielder and play him out of position. Can't believe we played Omeonga in behind Kamberi while Gauld was on the wing. I thought he looked ok but hard to tell as no Hibs player could control the ball or pass to a teammate.

Honestly, my opinion is Lennon has sort of lost the players and that is why he isn't berating them on the touchline as much. I think he can't fix the problems but is trying - that's why he keeps changing the line-up. He's trying to find out what works but playing Omeonga behind Kamberi, Hanlon at LB and Gauld at RM should be the end of his reign tbh.

Is our formation and line-up drawn out of a tombola?

[TelaStella]

That result tonight is a big turning point for me. As a fan who has stood by Lennon all the way the writing is surely by now on the wall and judging by the general consensus on here and other platforms I’m not alone in accepting we’re not going any further with Lenny. Yes we still have a week left in the transfer window and yes we still have half a season to see out but frankly given where we’ve came over the past couple years and where we as fans expect us to be competing this season has now became a farce and tonight would just sum it up perfect. I’m not for calling for his sacking, I believe given what he’s done for us over the past two seasons we owe him to see the season out. We won’t go down, despite what some of you may say that undisputedly isn’t going to happen, bringing in a new manager at this time of year would be ridiculous unless it was critical which I don’t think it is... yet, perhaps. Ultimately though unless of a miracle the end of this season has to be the end of the road for him and probably three or four in the squad. Time to build around the few quality players we actually have and come back again new and stronger.


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[Jim44]

It was a bad performance and it is frustrating, but we are rebuilding. It was always going to be difficult to replace the midfield of McGinn, McGeoch and Allen. Hopefully the new recruits will start to gel but, I feel we need a good ball winner and i'm afraid they don't fall off trees too often.

We’ll never replace them so it’s not worth debating the issue. They’ve gone and it’s up to the manager, Lennon or otherwise, to come up with new strategies.

[SteveHFC]

Anyone see some fighting coming out of the ground.

[660]

Why does he persist with Whittaker and Mallan? Both awful. Whittaker shouldn’t play for Hibs again.

Playing Gauld on the right then move him in the middle where he was good then move him out right when Shaw came on? Why?

Play one up front then the defenders punt it up to him. No one to take the ball from defence and drive the team forward. Bartley in there for no reason. His first touch is a tackle.

None of these things are particularly complicated and can be solved with existing personnel but Lennon seems to want to solve it by signing 4 more wingers.

If he went tomorrow I wouldn’t be bothered. Seems to chuck it if he doesn’t get a result at Tynecastle.

[Hibeesmad]

No chance of catching the top four, St Johnstone are starting to do well, they have a good manager and a great squad of players for this league. It will be us and Hearts battling for 6th place. 7 points behind, not impossible but we need our fortunes to start changing pronto

Our last game before the split is actually Hearts too

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

At least there's not a 2nd half of the season slump to worry about. 😨

[berwickhibee]

I long for a hibs team formation i can understand. Baffling again from the manager.

[Ozyhibby]

Top 8 is best we can do this season. We need a new RB, CB, Forward and 2 wingers. Gauld and Slvka only ones with pass points tonight. But Lennon must take the blame for crazy set up against an industrial team like Well.

Is Top 8 a thing? [emoji23]


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[MWHIBBIES]

Looked much better 2nd half but damage was done. Benching Slivka and Mackie was stupid.

[RossScott1991]

Lennon actually doing post match interview? Wouldn’t surprise me one bit if he dodges it as per

[Nicho87]

If the board really believe in Lennon. Allan should be signed within the next 24 hours and budgets blown. If they think it’s goodnight expect no deals, Lennon resigning next month and a season ending of crowds closer to 9k. Over to you Petrie.

[bingo70]

Genuine question. What were our tactics tonight btw?

I tuned in for the second half and genuinely couldn't figure it out. One up front? Why did Omeonga get subbed?

What’s our preferred formation?

If we don’t know that, and I don’t think we do, I don’t see how we can buy players to suit our preferred system.

I’m also not convinced our players are that good either tbh. Ironically the only genuine quality upnfront we have is Kamberi who is being ruined by being played up front on his own or played with no service behind him.

He’s good but he’s not Messi, he needs help.

[Hibeesmad]

We’ll never replace them so it’s not worth debating the issue. They’ve gone and it’s up to the manager, Lennon or otherwise, to come up with new strategies.

Bringing Allan back (hopefully the board get the cheque book out and bring him in sooner) and bringing in Gauld have been good signings. Haven’t seen enough of Omeonga to judge but hopefully we can add another two or three before the end of the window and see players returning to full fitness and we might start to see a change! Here’s hoping

[CMac1988]

People on here said Main wasn't good enough when he was mentioned on the transfer thread but he's exactly what we are looking for when people say we need a target man. He can hold it up and bully defenders into mistakes like he did quite often with whittaker tonight

Easy to do against Whittaker but even then I thought we should've went out and signed Maine in the summer. Even when he isn't scoring he's at least offering something else. Plenty energy and fight and always plays for the team.

[SeanWilson]

We decided to do a Sarri, have a box-to-box midfielder and play him out of position. Can't believe we played Omeonga in behind Kamberi while Gauld was on the wing. I thought he looked ok but hard to tell as no Hibs player could control the ball or pass to a teammate.

Honestly, my opinion is Lennon has sort of lost the players and that is why he isn't berating them on the touchline as much. I think he can't fix the problems but is trying - that's why he keeps changing the line-up. He's trying to find out what works but playing Omeonga behind Kamberi, Hanlon at LB and Gauld at RM should be the end of his reign tbh.

Is our formation and line-up drawn out of a tombola?As someone else said, looked shocked by the pace of the game and as you say, seemed lost in the role he was asked to play. Unfortunately we don't have the ability to do a Klopp and give a player 3 months to get used to the game here ... [emoji849] I like Lennon but for Hibs sake, I really feel torn. Shocking time for him to leave but probably best for the club as I really can't see him turning this round.

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[SideBurns]

I suppose this is one of the problems with the transfer window system. There seems little point in sacking a manager this close to the end of January as any decent replacement wouldn't want to be saddled with his predecessor's squad for the rest of the season (you'd imagine, anyway).

My gut instinct after the Rugby Park debacle was that Lennon wouldn't turn it around. He seemed to have a wee renaissance during December (largely forgotten I'd suggest, due to the derby defeat), but sadly I think my instinct was probably correct. He has to stop these crazy team selections/tactics/formations in away matches, that's for sure.

[BoomtownHibees]

Easy to do against Whittaker but even then I thought we should've went out and signed Maine in the summer. Even when he isn't scoring he's at least offering something else. Plenty energy and fight and always plays for the team.

He wasn’t up against Whittaker so no idea why he’s mentioned here. One thing about Main is at least our centre half’s will go off knowing they’ve been in a game. Their centre half’s could have had the cigars and slippers out

[calumhibee1]

I suppose this is one of the problems with the transfer window system. There seems little point in sacking a manager this close to the end of January as any decent replacement wouldn't want to be saddled with his predecessor's squad for the rest of the season (you'd imagine, anyway).

My gut instinct after the Rugby Park debacle was that Lennon wouldn't turn it around. He seemed to have a wee renaissance during December (largely forgotten I'd suggest, due to the derby defeat), but sadly I think my instinct was probably correct. He has to stop these crazy team selections/tactics/formations in away matches, that's for sure.

His Renaissance was blown out of proportion. It was 2 wins in a row, admittedly the win against Celtic was superb.

[SteveHFC]

We need a few more bodies iin before end of the world.

How we haven’t signed another striker remains to be seen.

[madhatter]

Bringing Allan back (hopefully the board get the cheque book out and bring him in sooner) and bringing in Gauld have been good signings. Haven’t seen enough of Omeonga to judge but hopefully we can add another two or three before the end of the window and see players returning to full fitness and we might start to see a change! Here’s hoping

My problem is, Gauld and Allan would both give us more influence further up the field but we can't get it from the defence into the midfield and forward. We don't need a McGinn or McGeouch, we simply need one player that can drop deep get the ball and drive.

Can anybody name a player in the current team that can run at a player and make other defenders commit? Efe was the only one that could drive forward with intent and he's gone. We can't keep passing as soon as we are pressed, someone has to beat a man and we don't have anyone doing that at the moment. It's so simply to defend against us, press McGregor, press Bartley, press Whittaker, press Mallan and you'll get the ball. They'll pass it out of play or to one of your teammates.

Allan doesn't fix this problem. Just as Gauld hasn't fixed the problem. We are rotten from back to middle and then middle to top, we have no transition. We are a hoofball team.

[SideBurns]

His Renaissance was blown out of proportion. It was 2 wins in a row, admittedly the win against Celtic was superb.

I'd include two draws v The Huns; perhaps neither were great performances but decent results.

[Willis1875]

If the board really believe in Lennon. Allan should be signed within the next 24 hours and budgets blown. If they think it’s goodnight expect no deals, Lennon resigning next month and a season ending of crowds closer to 9k. Over to you Petrie.

We would have to actually get the ball into Allan’s feet for him to do any damage,I don’t think we have a midfielder capable of doing that

[calumhibee1]

I'd include two draws v The Huns; perhaps neither were great performances but decent results.

I genuinely forgot about them. Even then though, a draw at home to Rangers is a decent result, no more than that. A draw away is good though.

[Bishop Hibee]

Poor result. The formation sounded crazy as has been the case too often this season. It’s difficult to see us going on a run to make the top 6 after a result like that.

[Lago]

I thought the days of hibs having one good season followed by many seasons of mediocrity were a thing of the past,, unfortunately not.

[Brightside]

We have one of the best right backs around. He just doesn't get picked.

So there must be a reason for that

[Smartie]

I suppose this is one of the problems with the transfer window system. There seems little point in sacking a manager this close to the end of January as any decent replacement wouldn't want to be saddled with his predecessor's squad for the rest of the season (you'd imagine, anyway).

My gut instinct after the Rugby Park debacle was that Lennon wouldn't turn it around. He seemed to have a wee renaissance during December (largely forgotten I'd suggest, due to the derby defeat), but sadly I think my instinct was probably correct. He has to stop these crazy team selections/tactics/formations in away matches, that's for sure.

We have decent players, plenty of them.

A "decent replacement" would be amazed at the amount of quality we've actually got.

If we were lucky enough to make a change before the end of the window, a new manager would need to go all out to get some pace and firepower in then work on a sensible gameplan with a solid first XI whilst putting in place plans to improve next season.

With Lennon we'll have a random lineup every week where we change everyone but f*****g Stevie Mallan every week when the opposite is required, and Steven "more Finnish than Antti Niemi" Whittaker chosen repeatedly ahead of an inspirational figure who provides ability, drive, desire and leadership - all of which we are badly lacking.

Lennon lost me tonight I'm afraid.

[The 90+2]

And rightly so.

I don't think Lennon is a bad manager, but he's struggling just now.

I'd give him until the end of the season regardless, unless we were in relegation danger.

Matty, do you honestly, deep down think he’s going to turn it round? If so why? Based on what? If not even if no relegation which I think is crazy chat crowds are going to plummet. That’s not bed wetting it’s realith based on previous and I’m sick at the thought of going through that again based on giving someone who isn’t going to turn it around and in my eyes doesn’t want to be there more time. That’s what led to half empty stadiums and relegation.

[where'stheslope]

Looking at the up coming fixtures Motherwell have a far easier Jan - Feb fixtures than us!!!
We need to pull the finger out quick or they could catch us in the next 3 weeks or so????

[calumhibee1]

Matty, do you honestly, deep down think he’s going to turn it round? If so why? Based on what? If not even if no relegation which I think is crazy chat crowds are going to plummet. That’s not bed wetting it’s realith based on previous and I’m sick at the thought of going through that again based on giving someone who isn’t going to turn it around and in my eyes doesn’t want to be there more time. That’s what led to half empty stadiums and relegation.

Exactly how I see it. We won’t be relegated with NL in charge for the rest of the season. We probably wouldn’t finish any lower than 9th. But the crowds would nosedive next season if we do. So why bother allowing that to happen for the sake of giving him more time when he’s clearly not capable of turning it around?

[IWasThere2016]

8th is unacceptable in my opinion.

We have had injuries but 8th isn't good enough..

[hibbymick]

So there must be a reason for that

I dont think there does have to be a reason with lennon.

[cabbageandribs1875]

st.mirren now bottom of the league , who you gonna call.........................Hibs

[SideBurns]

I genuinely forgot about them. Even then though, a draw at home to Rangers is a decent result, no more than that. A draw away is good though.

Aye, agree with that. And ultimately they weren't good enough results or performances to buy him time indefinitely.

Under normal circumstances, I'd say that defeat on Sunday should be enough but with only 4 days thereafter to sign players I'd imagine he'll keep his job (unless he was to walk, of course).

[Lago]

8th is unacceptable in my opinion.

We have had injuries but 8th isn't good enough..
Convinced it will be 7th or 8th this season.

[matty_f]

Matty, do you honestly, deep down think he’s going to turn it round? If so why? Based on what? If not even if no relegation which I think is crazy chat crowds are going to plummet. That’s not bed wetting it’s realith based on previous and I’m sick at the thought of going through that again based on giving someone who isn’t going to turn it around and in my eyes doesn’t want to be there more time. That’s what led to half empty stadiums and relegation.

Yes, I think he'll turn it around.

He's a good manager, imho, and good managers sometimes have bad spells and in this day and age everyone rushes to change things when sometimes the thing to do is remember why you hired the manager in the first place and back him.

I think Lennon has enough credit in the bank with us to deserve the season, and after that if we need to change he can't say he wasn't given a fair crack of the whip.

[calumhibee1]

Yes, I think he'll turn it around.

He's a good manager, imho, and good managers sometimes have bad spells and in this day and age everyone rushes to change things when sometimes the thing to do is remember why you hired the manager in the first place and back him.

I think Lennon has enough credit in the bank with us to deserve the season, and after that if we need to change he can't say he wasn't given a fair crack of the whip.

Genuine question here but how long does it remain a bad “spell”? It’s been over a third of a season and counting that we’ve managed two wins. When it gets to that kind of length of time it’s more than a spell imo.

[B.H.F.C]

Yes, I think he'll turn it around.

He's a good manager, imho, and good managers sometimes have bad spells and in this day and age everyone rushes to change things when sometimes the thing to do is remember why you hired the manager in the first place and back him.

I think Lennon has enough credit in the bank with us to deserve the season, and after that if we need to change he can't say he wasn't given a fair crack of the whip.

I think he had credit in the bank. When we went on that run earlier in the season and didn’t win in seven I didn’t think he deserved too much stick.

The bad form has stretched on for a third of a season now. When does the credit run out?

My biggest concern is that I don’t see many signs of it being turned round. I don’t think the players look happy. Something just doesn’t seem right IMO.

[Stuart93]

Worst thing about it was I thought 8th place was just a fluke and we weren’t as bad as our league position suggested but we really are

[matty_f]

Genuine question here but how long does it remain a bad “spell”? It’s been over a third of a season and counting that we’ve managed two wins. When it gets to that kind of length of time it’s more than a spell imo.

Not much longer but until the end of the season is reasonable.

He's had to deal with an unusually high number of injuries to key players - that's outside of his control.

His signings in this window and how well they do will tell you if he'll turn it around or not.

[madhatter]

I think he had credit in the bank. When we went on that run earlier in the season and didn’t win in seven I didn’t think he deserved too much stick.

The bad form has stretched on for a third of a season now. When does the credit run out?

My biggest concern is that I don’t see many signs of it being turned round. I don’t think the players look happy. Something just doesn’t seem right IMO.

It’s the fact that we are playing worse as well. We’re progressively getting worse. We haven’t had many games recently where I’ve thought “we’ve been unlucky there”. It’s grim having to go see Hibs play at the moment, this isn’t a spell, as you say something is wrong and it doesn’t look like stopping.

[SideBurns]

We have decent players, plenty of them.

A "decent replacement" would be amazed at the amount of quality we've actually got.

If we were lucky enough to make a change before the end of the window, a new manager would need to go all out to get some pace and firepower in then work on a sensible gameplan with a solid first XI whilst putting in place plans to improve next season.

With Lennon we'll have a random lineup every week where we change everyone but f*****g Stevie Mallan every week when the opposite is required, and Steven "more Finnish than Antti Niemi" Whittaker chosen repeatedly ahead of an inspirational figure who provides ability, drive, desire and leadership - all of which we are badly lacking.

Lennon lost me tonight I'm afraid.

I wouldn't argue with this, just thinking that the kind of manager most of us would want if Lennon was to go would probably like to get his own players in quickly if he decided the squad required surgery; and he'd have to wait until the summer to make any changes (or at least would have very limited time to assess the situation before next Thursday).

[JXM73]

Just beginning to feel my toes, no pass marks by anyone tonight. Gauld best of a **** bunch.

[Heisenberg]

Not much longer but until the end of the season is reasonable.

He's had to deal with an unusually high number of injuries to key players - that's outside of his control.

His signings in this window and how well they do will tell you if he'll turn it around or not.

While injuries have been an issue, Gray has been back for a while now and still can’t get ahead of Whittaker. That’s ridiculous. As is our lack of good strikers and anything resembling cohesion in midfield.

[SeanWilson]

While injuries have been an issue, Gray has been back for a while now and still can’t get ahead of Whittaker. That’s ridiculous. As is our lack of good strikers and anything resembling cohesion in midfield.The boy skipping by Whittaker in to the box in the first half sums him up. He's F'n useless.

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[Coco Bryce]

The boy skipping by Whittaker in to the box in the first half sums him up. He's F'n useless.

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The comments by the Motherwell TV commentary team as they joked he looked like he had been on the bevvy says it all.

[bingo70]

Not much longer but until the end of the season is reasonable.

He's had to deal with an unusually high number of injuries to key players - that's outside of his control.

His signings in this window and how well they do will tell you if he'll turn it around or not.

With regards to the injuries Probably the only one that’s really made a difference to the starting 11 would be Boyle. We’ve got a massive squad of very similar and average players, not enough genuine first name on the team sheet type quality players, that’s what’s cost us, not the injuries IMO.

What star players have been out that we’ve really missed? Maybe Agyepong as well.

[matty_f]

With regards to the injuries Probably the only one that’s really made a difference to the starting 11 would be Boyle. We’ve got a massive squad of very similar and average players, not enough genuine first name on the team sheet type quality players, that’s what’s cost us, not the injuries IMO.

What star players have been out that we’ve really missed? Maybe Agyepong as well.

Injuries this season for more than a couple of games, from the top of my head:

Bogdan
Marciano
Gray
McGregor
Hanlon
Stevenson
Milligan
Boyle
Kamberi
Maclaren
Agyepong
Bartley
Horgan
Stevenson

It's not just the fact that the player is injured but it's what happens to the rest of the team while they're out.

Different starting line ups, having to change formation, having to bring players in before they're back up to speed...

As much as I can't say that it's not all down to injuries (it's not) it's equally ridiculous to say that they've not had a significant impact.

[JohnMcM]

I've never been one to slag individual players, my team r manager and never will.

I will however comment on what I see as poor performances, poor team selection and not very good tactics.

The latter, I believe, I travelled to and paid to see tonight and I am really quite pee'd off about that.

I am losing faith in NL I'm afraid.

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[truehibernian]

Yes, I think he'll turn it around.

He's a good manager, imho, and good managers sometimes have bad spells and in this day and age everyone rushes to change things when sometimes the thing to do is remember why you hired the manager in the first place and back him.

I think Lennon has enough credit in the bank with us to deserve the season, and after that if we need to change he can't say he wasn't given a fair crack of the whip.

Wish I shared your optimism Matty but there's only so many times you can shout, bawl and call out players until it becomes 'white noise' and players simply switch off to it - and some have. There is no direction from him during games, if you watch and listen to him (and Parker when he's bothered to give input) all they do now is shout. They don't instruct, lead from the sidelines and direct players. Formations are baffling, he doesn't seem to capitalise on the psychological side of the game (Mackie doing great v Celtic, on a high, then dropped........play the lad when he is feeling top of the world and playing well). There are of course times where you need tough love and to shout, but you really need to outweigh that with positive coaching both during the week and during games. The calling out players in public was unnecessary - counter that with Clarke saying to Killie fans 'boo Jordan you boo me'..........chalk and cheese and has the desired effect. Bet he was angry at the tweets but he showed real solidarity publicly and it worked - fans stayed onside and backed both player and manager. Lennon is far too rash.

Another case in point, watch Mallan during a game and how he drifts in and out and watch him closely positionally - the lad doesn't know whether he should drop deep, play further forward as a 10, play wide to support the left back............he's lost. I watch and listen to NL and all Neil does is shout.........and it's usually negative and derogatory. I don't believe for one minute Mallan's recent 'he's one of the best manager' lines is honest, that's player rhetoric. I'll bet some of the players are really peed off being bawled at and not being really told their roles and have developed a dislike for the management team.

You can't blame injuries, we have players who are good enough and we also have players who are experienced enough to get through games and win. But it's not easy if you know you're coming off the pitch to get negativity.

The club's demeanour this season is all wrong too, it's 'dour' and it's failed to capitalise on the feel good factor. You rarely see or hear from Leeann, the media side of things has gone way way downhill since Greig and Tom left and there is already a feeling that some fans are disconnecting again. Even when we lost games (and they were here) the place was upbeat and their ideas were imaginative and creative. And the singing section nonsense............those guys are great and uplifting and the club seems to have treated them poorly.

It's not just Neil Lennon but the whole club behind the scenes need to get reinvigorated and get back to what they were doing best the last 4 seasons. The media and marketing has been woeful this season. Hibs are becoming boring again.

[HibeeHibernian4]

All of the above is spot on, won't quote it but it's absolutely the post I've wanted to write.

[madhatter]

I’m still struggling to work out why we played a CB at LB while two LBs were on the bench...I’m really trying to make sense of that. Why do we even have 2 LBs on the bench? I’m also trying to work out what the signings of Mavrias and Nelom are about. Mavrias has come and gone with barely playing although we had no fit RB for a while. We have a tiny squad and a manager that doesn’t know how to use it. Only sense I can make of this is we’ve lost sight of team building and just approach recruitment in terms of profile and calibre of player.

I also think we’re operating a bizarre “we’ll give you experience of British football” system alongside a “have you ever played for your National team?”. On paper the players we have now are some of the best we’ve had in ages. Fyvie would be one of the best midfielders in this squad though. That’s probably my biggest worry, how far we’ve went backwards.

[Coco Bryce]

Wish I shared your optimism Matty but there's only so many times you can shout, bawl and call out players until it becomes 'white noise' and players simply switch off to it - and some have. There is no direction from him during games, if you watch and listen to him (and Parker when he's bothered to give input) all they do now is shout. They don't instruct, lead from the sidelines and direct players. Formations are baffling, he doesn't seem to capitalise on the psychological side of the game (Mackie doing great v Celtic, on a high, then dropped........play the lad when he is feeling top of the world and playing well). There are of course times where you need tough love and to shout, but you really need to outweigh that with positive coaching both during the week and during games. The calling out players in public was unnecessary - counter that with Clarke saying to Killie fans 'boo Jordan you boo me'..........chalk and cheese and has the desired effect. Bet he was angry at the tweets but he showed real solidarity publicly and it worked - fans stayed onside and backed both player and manager. Lennon is far too rash.

Another case in point, watch Mallan during a game and how he drifts in and out and watch him closely positionally - the lad doesn't know whether he should drop deep, play further forward as a 10, play wide to support the left back............he's lost. I watch and listen to NL and all Neil does is shout.........and it's usually negative and derogatory. I don't believe for one minute Mallan's recent 'he's one of the best manager' lines is honest, that's player rhetoric. I'll bet some of the players are really peed off being bawled at and not being really told their roles and have developed a dislike for the management team.

You can't blame injuries, we have players who are good enough and we also have players who are experienced enough to get through games and win. But it's not easy if you know you're coming off the pitch to get negativity.

The club's demeanour this season is all wrong too, it's 'dour' and it's failed to capitalise on the feel good factor. You rarely see or hear from Leeann, the media side of things has gone way way downhill since Greig and Tom left and there is already a feeling that some fans are disconnecting again. Even when we lost games (and they were here) the place was upbeat and their ideas were imaginative and creative. And the singing section nonsense............those guys are great and uplifting and the club seems to have treated them poorly.

It's not just Neil Lennon but the whole club behind the scenes need to get reinvigorated and get back to what they were doing best the last 4 seasons. The media and marketing has been woeful this season. Hibs are becoming boring again.

Excellent post.

[hibbymick]

Wish I shared your optimism Matty but there's only so many times you can shout, bawl and call out players until it becomes 'white noise' and players simply switch off to it - and some have. There is no direction from him during games, if you watch and listen to him (and Parker when he's bothered to give input) all they do now is shout. They don't instruct, lead from the sidelines and direct players. Formations are baffling, he doesn't seem to capitalise on the psychological side of the game (Mackie doing great v Celtic, on a high, then dropped........play the lad when he is feeling top of the world and playing well). There are of course times where you need tough love and to shout, but you really need to outweigh that with positive coaching both during the week and during games. The calling out players in public was unnecessary - counter that with Clarke saying to Killie fans 'boo Jordan you boo me'..........chalk and cheese and has the desired effect. Bet he was angry at the tweets but he showed real solidarity publicly and it worked - fans stayed onside and backed both player and manager. Lennon is far too rash.

Another case in point, watch Mallan during a game and how he drifts in and out and watch him closely positionally - the lad doesn't know whether he should drop deep, play further forward as a 10, play wide to support the left back............he's lost. I watch and listen to NL and all Neil does is shout.........and it's usually negative and derogatory. I don't believe for one minute Mallan's recent 'he's one of the best manager' lines is honest, that's player rhetoric. I'll bet some of the players are really peed off being bawled at and not being really told their roles and have developed a dislike for the management team.

You can't blame injuries, we have players who are good enough and we also have players who are experienced enough to get through games and win. But it's not easy if you know you're coming off the pitch to get negativity.

The club's demeanour this season is all wrong too, it's 'dour' and it's failed to capitalise on the feel good factor. You rarely see or hear from Leeann, the media side of things has gone way way downhill since Greig and Tom left and there is already a feeling that some fans are disconnecting again. Even when we lost games (and they were here) the place was upbeat and their ideas were imaginative and creative. And the singing section nonsense............those guys are great and uplifting and the club seems to have treated them poorly.

It's not just Neil Lennon but the whole club behind the scenes need to get reinvigorated and get back to what they were doing best the last 4 seasons. The media and marketing has been woeful this season. Hibs are becoming boring again.

Cant disagree with this.

[SideBurns]

Injuries this season for more than a couple of games, from the top of my head:

Bogdan
Marciano
Gray
McGregor
Hanlon
Stevenson
Milligan
Boyle
Kamberi
Maclaren
Agyepong
Bartley
Horgan
Stevenson

It's not just the fact that the player is injured but it's what happens to the rest of the team while they're out.

Different starting line ups, having to change formation, having to bring players in before they're back up to speed...

As much as I can't say that it's not all down to injuries (it's not) it's equally ridiculous to say that they've not had a significant impact.

The injuries have been horrendous, but it just makes it all the more mystifying when Lennon makes unenforced changes (both in terms of personnel and tactics) that seem incomprehensible to fans before a ball is kicked, and the performance almost inevitably suffers as a result. That is what concerns me as much as anything else.

[GreenCastle]

Wish I shared your optimism Matty but there's only so many times you can shout, bawl and call out players until it becomes 'white noise' and players simply switch off to it - and some have. There is no direction from him during games, if you watch and listen to him (and Parker when he's bothered to give input) all they do now is shout. They don't instruct, lead from the sidelines and direct players. Formations are baffling, he doesn't seem to capitalise on the psychological side of the game (Mackie doing great v Celtic, on a high, then dropped........play the lad when he is feeling top of the world and playing well). There are of course times where you need tough love and to shout, but you really need to outweigh that with positive coaching both during the week and during games. The calling out players in public was unnecessary - counter that with Clarke saying to Killie fans 'boo Jordan you boo me'..........chalk and cheese and has the desired effect. Bet he was angry at the tweets but he showed real solidarity publicly and it worked - fans stayed onside and backed both player and manager. Lennon is far too rash.

Another case in point, watch Mallan during a game and how he drifts in and out and watch him closely positionally - the lad doesn't know whether he should drop deep, play further forward as a 10, play wide to support the left back............he's lost. I watch and listen to NL and all Neil does is shout.........and it's usually negative and derogatory. I don't believe for one minute Mallan's recent 'he's one of the best manager' lines is honest, that's player rhetoric. I'll bet some of the players are really peed off being bawled at and not being really told their roles and have developed a dislike for the management team.

You can't blame injuries, we have players who are good enough and we also have players who are experienced enough to get through games and win. But it's not easy if you know you're coming off the pitch to get negativity.

The club's demeanour this season is all wrong too, it's 'dour' and it's failed to capitalise on the feel good factor. You rarely see or hear from Leeann, the media side of things has gone way way downhill since Greig and Tom left and there is already a feeling that some fans are disconnecting again. Even when we lost games (and they were here) the place was upbeat and their ideas were imaginative and creative. And the singing section nonsense............those guys are great and uplifting and the club seems to have treated them poorly.

It's not just Neil Lennon but the whole club behind the scenes need to get reinvigorated and get back to what they were doing best the last 4 seasons. The media and marketing has been woeful this season. Hibs are becoming boring again.

Nail on head.

I wanted to start a thread on this but it’s not just the 1st team but many areas of the club I feel have become boring and standards have dropped.

Basics like food at the stadium / tannoy / singing section / fans reps plus the 1st and development team not performing has really not helped.

We have had some great years but we need leadership / togetherness from the top and we aren’t getting much of it.

[matty_f]

Wish I shared your optimism Matty but there's only so many times you can shout, bawl and call out players until it becomes 'white noise' and players simply switch off to it - and some have. There is no direction from him during games, if you watch and listen to him (and Parker when he's bothered to give input) all they do now is shout. They don't instruct, lead from the sidelines and direct players. Formations are baffling, he doesn't seem to capitalise on the psychological side of the game (Mackie doing great v Celtic, on a high, then dropped........play the lad when he is feeling top of the world and playing well). There are of course times where you need tough love and to shout, but you really need to outweigh that with positive coaching both during the week and during games. The calling out players in public was unnecessary - counter that with Clarke saying to Killie fans 'boo Jordan you boo me'..........chalk and cheese and has the desired effect. Bet he was angry at the tweets but he showed real solidarity publicly and it worked - fans stayed onside and backed both player and manager. Lennon is far too rash.

Another case in point, watch Mallan during a game and how he drifts in and out and watch him closely positionally - the lad doesn't know whether he should drop deep, play further forward as a 10, play wide to support the left back............he's lost. I watch and listen to NL and all Neil does is shout.........and it's usually negative and derogatory. I don't believe for one minute Mallan's recent 'he's one of the best manager' lines is honest, that's player rhetoric. I'll bet some of the players are really peed off being bawled at and not being really told their roles and have developed a dislike for the management team.

You can't blame injuries, we have players who are good enough and we also have players who are experienced enough to get through games and win. But it's not easy if you know you're coming off the pitch to get negativity.

The club's demeanour this season is all wrong too, it's 'dour' and it's failed to capitalise on the feel good factor. You rarely see or hear from Leeann, the media side of things has gone way way downhill since Greig and Tom left and there is already a feeling that some fans are disconnecting again. Even when we lost games (and they were here) the place was upbeat and their ideas were imaginative and creative. And the singing section nonsense............those guys are great and uplifting and the club seems to have treated them poorly.

It's not just Neil Lennon but the whole club behind the scenes need to get reinvigorated and get back to what they were doing best the last 4 seasons. The media and marketing has been woeful this season. Hibs are becoming boring again.

Good post. :agree:

[Smartie]

Wish I shared your optimism Matty but there's only so many times you can shout, bawl and call out players until it becomes 'white noise' and players simply switch off to it - and some have. There is no direction from him during games, if you watch and listen to him (and Parker when he's bothered to give input) all they do now is shout. They don't instruct, lead from the sidelines and direct players. Formations are baffling, he doesn't seem to capitalise on the psychological side of the game (Mackie doing great v Celtic, on a high, then dropped........play the lad when he is feeling top of the world and playing well). There are of course times where you need tough love and to shout, but you really need to outweigh that with positive coaching both during the week and during games. The calling out players in public was unnecessary - counter that with Clarke saying to Killie fans 'boo Jordan you boo me'..........chalk and cheese and has the desired effect. Bet he was angry at the tweets but he showed real solidarity publicly and it worked - fans stayed onside and backed both player and manager. Lennon is far too rash.

Another case in point, watch Mallan during a game and how he drifts in and out and watch him closely positionally - the lad doesn't know whether he should drop deep, play further forward as a 10, play wide to support the left back............he's lost. I watch and listen to NL and all Neil does is shout.........and it's usually negative and derogatory. I don't believe for one minute Mallan's recent 'he's one of the best manager' lines is honest, that's player rhetoric. I'll bet some of the players are really peed off being bawled at and not being really told their roles and have developed a dislike for the management team.

You can't blame injuries, we have players who are good enough and we also have players who are experienced enough to get through games and win. But it's not easy if you know you're coming off the pitch to get negativity.

The club's demeanour this season is all wrong too, it's 'dour' and it's failed to capitalise on the feel good factor. You rarely see or hear from Leeann, the media side of things has gone way way downhill since Greig and Tom left and there is already a feeling that some fans are disconnecting again. Even when we lost games (and they were here) the place was upbeat and their ideas were imaginative and creative. And the singing section nonsense............those guys are great and uplifting and the club seems to have treated them poorly.

It's not just Neil Lennon but the whole club behind the scenes need to get reinvigorated and get back to what they were doing best the last 4 seasons. The media and marketing has been woeful this season. Hibs are becoming boring again.

I want to find something to argue with here but sadly it is spot on.

[Iain G]

Have we scored yet?

[BlackSheep]

Lately I’ve read a lot on here about how we lack a midfield... with our defence just hoofing it up the park to a lone striker and missing the midfield out, perhaps it’s the defence that needs some work!

Who is the imposter that has been wearing Hanlon’s shirt this year... sells himself consistently this season, just doesn’t look the same player.

McGregor just looks like this year is a season to far.

Whittaker does the easy stuff poorly and sometime pulls off the hard stuff... but right now we need the basics done right!

We need Gray back in the side pronto and give us some wodth down the right, Whitty’s legs cannot get back if he ventures forward!

Sort these problems out and maybe the midfield will get a chance to play!! The lack of threat from Elgin allowed the midfield to pay at the weekend and look at the result, albeit against a pub team!!

[HibeeHibernian4]

The problem really is that we all seem to be in agreement with truehibernian's post, but how do Hibs start to go about addressing it?

[heretoday]

We're crap. New players required.

[Smartie]

The problem really is that we all seem to be in agreement with truehibernian's post, but how do Hibs start to go about addressing it?

You read his post. You agree with the points he's made. You fix the highlighted problems one by one.

It doesn't matter where it starts, if all needs done.

[J-C]

Yes, I think he'll turn it around.

He's a good manager, imho, and good managers sometimes have bad spells and in this day and age everyone rushes to change things when sometimes the thing to do is remember why you hired the manager in the first place and back him.

I think Lennon has enough credit in the bank with us to deserve the season, and after that if we need to change he can't say he wasn't given a fair crack of the whip.


What makes you say he's a good manager, apart from the Celtic gig, his record aint that great, promotion from an average Championship but with eye bleeding football, 4th last season but with arguably the best midfield in the league but got lucky with Flo and Mac and a wee Europa run mostly down to McGinn playing out his skin before leaving. His record in the transfer market has been very poor to say the least and he seems to need the January transfer window to get him out of a pickle after his summer signing fail again.

[Martymck]

:thumbsup:f
Wish I shared your optimism Matty but there's only so many times you can shout, bawl and call out players until it becomes 'white noise' and players simply switch off to it - and some have. There is no direction from him during games, if you watch and listen to him (and Parker when he's bothered to give input) all they do now is shout. They don't instruct, lead from the sidelines and direct players. Formations are baffling, he doesn't seem to capitalise on the psychological side of the game (Mackie doing great v Celtic, on a high, then dropped........play the lad when he is feeling top of the world and playing well). There are of course times where you need tough love and to shout, but you really need to outweigh that with positive coaching both during the week and during games. The calling out players in public was unnecessary - counter that with Clarke saying to Killie fans 'boo Jordan you boo me'..........chalk and cheese and has the desired effect. Bet he was angry at the tweets but he showed real solidarity publicly and it worked - fans stayed onside and backed both player and manager. Lennon is far too rash.

Another case in point, watch Mallan during a game and how he drifts in and out and watch him closely positionally - the lad doesn't know whether he should drop deep, play further forward as a 10, play wide to support the left back............he's lost. I watch and listen to NL and all Neil does is shout.........and it's usually negative and derogatory. I don't believe for one minute Mallan's recent 'he's one of the best manager' lines is honest, that's player rhetoric. I'll bet some of the players are really peed off being bawled at and not being really told their roles and have developed a dislike for the management team.

You can't blame injuries, we have players who are good enough and we also have players who are experienced enough to get through games and win. But it's not easy if you know you're coming off the pitch to get negativity.

The club's demeanour this season is all wrong too, it's 'dour' and it's failed to capitalise on the feel good factor. You rarely see or hear from Leeann, the media side of things has gone way way downhill since Greig and Tom left and there is already a feeling that some fans are disconnecting again. Even when we lost games (and they were here) the place was upbeat and their ideas were imaginative and creative. And the singing section nonsense............those guys are great and uplifting and the club seems to have treated them poorly.

It's not just Neil Lennon but the whole club behind the scenes need to get reinvigorated and get back to what they were doing best the last 4 seasons. The media and marketing has been woeful this season. Hibs are becoming boring again.

[MacGruber]

We're crap. New players required.

I think we've done the new players - it's a change of management required.

[HibeeHibernian4]

You read his post. You agree with the points he's made. You fix the highlighted problems one by one.

It doesn't matter where it starts, if all needs done.

Some of his points would, if enacted, require fundamental changes in Lennon's personality that I don't believe can be made. So then what? Sack him?

[MacGruber]

Wish I shared your optimism Matty but there's only so many times you can shout, bawl and call out players until it becomes 'white noise' and players simply switch off to it - and some have. There is no direction from him during games, if you watch and listen to him (and Parker when he's bothered to give input) all they do now is shout. They don't instruct, lead from the sidelines and direct players. Formations are baffling, he doesn't seem to capitalise on the psychological side of the game (Mackie doing great v Celtic, on a high, then dropped........play the lad when he is feeling top of the world and playing well). There are of course times where you need tough love and to shout, but you really need to outweigh that with positive coaching both during the week and during games. The calling out players in public was unnecessary - counter that with Clarke saying to Killie fans 'boo Jordan you boo me'..........chalk and cheese and has the desired effect. Bet he was angry at the tweets but he showed real solidarity publicly and it worked - fans stayed onside and backed both player and manager. Lennon is far too rash.

Another case in point, watch Mallan during a game and how he drifts in and out and watch him closely positionally - the lad doesn't know whether he should drop deep, play further forward as a 10, play wide to support the left back............he's lost. I watch and listen to NL and all Neil does is shout.........and it's usually negative and derogatory. I don't believe for one minute Mallan's recent 'he's one of the best manager' lines is honest, that's player rhetoric. I'll bet some of the players are really peed off being bawled at and not being really told their roles and have developed a dislike for the management team.

You can't blame injuries, we have players who are good enough and we also have players who are experienced enough to get through games and win. But it's not easy if you know you're coming off the pitch to get negativity.

The club's demeanour this season is all wrong too, it's 'dour' and it's failed to capitalise on the feel good factor. You rarely see or hear from Leeann, the media side of things has gone way way downhill since Greig and Tom left and there is already a feeling that some fans are disconnecting again. Even when we lost games (and they were here) the place was upbeat and their ideas were imaginative and creative. And the singing section nonsense............those guys are great and uplifting and the club seems to have treated them poorly.

It's not just Neil Lennon but the whole club behind the scenes need to get reinvigorated and get back to what they were doing best the last 4 seasons. The media and marketing has been woeful this season. Hibs are becoming boring again.

It really saddens me to say it but this is right on the money. Couldnt agree more.

[Smartie]

Some of his points would, if enacted, require fundamental changes in Lennon's personality that I don't believe can be made. So then what? Sack him?

I was meaning more in relation to the last 2 paragraphs.

But I think I'd be looking answers from Lennon if I was at Hibs. If I got the right answers , much along the lines of doing what the post says then I'd stick with him.

If his answers didn't cut it then I don't think there would be any choice other than to sack him.

[NAE NOOKIE]

That was as abject a 'performance' as I've seen for a long time. Until the latter part of the second half we never moved the ball through midfield and barely built a move worthy of the name. It looked like we could have played all night without scoring.

I cant be bothered to comment any further because its not worth my sodding time considering I've already wasted two hours watching that dross … my sympathy to those who were there.

[Brightside]

Just watched Lennon interview. He never accepts the blame. He thought we were solid until Ryan went off. You will struggle to find anyone that agrees with that. A team with no idea what they are doing and with no confidence to keep hold of the ball. Hanlon and Whitss as full backs was wrong and stupid.

[flash]

Just watched Lennon interview. He never accepts the blame. He thought we were solid until Ryan went off. You will struggle to find anyone that agrees with that. A team with no idea what they are doing and with no confidence to keep hold of the ball. Hanlon and Whitss as full backs was wrong and stupid.

I take it you were alluding that Grays omission isn't for football reasons?

[Brightside]

I take it you were alluding that Grays omission isn't for football reasons?

I’ve no idea why Gray isn’t being picked. But play him and RB and Mackie at LB and you at least have 2 players proving width and doing their job properly. He started Hanlon as a LWB last night. And he was rightly being slated on here in that role. But why play him there. It makes no sense and no one ever qns him. Why drop Slivka? He has more movement than anyone outside Ryan Gauld. There are plenty players not up to scratch at the moment but it must be a nightmare to play in a team that changes its style and formation so much.

[LustForLeith]

Wish I shared your optimism Matty but there's only so many times you can shout, bawl and call out players until it becomes 'white noise' and players simply switch off to it - and some have. There is no direction from him during games, if you watch and listen to him (and Parker when he's bothered to give input) all they do now is shout. They don't instruct, lead from the sidelines and direct players. Formations are baffling, he doesn't seem to capitalise on the psychological side of the game (Mackie doing great v Celtic, on a high, then dropped........play the lad when he is feeling top of the world and playing well). There are of course times where you need tough love and to shout, but you really need to outweigh that with positive coaching both during the week and during games. The calling out players in public was unnecessary - counter that with Clarke saying to Killie fans 'boo Jordan you boo me'..........chalk and cheese and has the desired effect. Bet he was angry at the tweets but he showed real solidarity publicly and it worked - fans stayed onside and backed both player and manager. Lennon is far too rash.

Another case in point, watch Mallan during a game and how he drifts in and out and watch him closely positionally - the lad doesn't know whether he should drop deep, play further forward as a 10, play wide to support the left back............he's lost. I watch and listen to NL and all Neil does is shout.........and it's usually negative and derogatory. I don't believe for one minute Mallan's recent 'he's one of the best manager' lines is honest, that's player rhetoric. I'll bet some of the players are really peed off being bawled at and not being really told their roles and have developed a dislike for the management team.

You can't blame injuries, we have players who are good enough and we also have players who are experienced enough to get through games and win. But it's not easy if you know you're coming off the pitch to get negativity.

The club's demeanour this season is all wrong too, it's 'dour' and it's failed to capitalise on the feel good factor. You rarely see or hear from Leeann, the media side of things has gone way way downhill since Greig and Tom left and there is already a feeling that some fans are disconnecting again. Even when we lost games (and they were here) the place was upbeat and their ideas were imaginative and creative. And the singing section nonsense............those guys are great and uplifting and the club seems to have treated them poorly.

It's not just Neil Lennon but the whole club behind the scenes need to get reinvigorated and get back to what they were doing best the last 4 seasons. The media and marketing has been woeful this season. Hibs are becoming boring again.

This. We need a complete rethink from top to bottom of the club.

[Hiber-nation]

Wish I shared your optimism Matty but there's only so many times you can shout, bawl and call out players until it becomes 'white noise' and players simply switch off to it - and some have. There is no direction from him during games, if you watch and listen to him (and Parker when he's bothered to give input) all they do now is shout. They don't instruct, lead from the sidelines and direct players. Formations are baffling, he doesn't seem to capitalise on the psychological side of the game (Mackie doing great v Celtic, on a high, then dropped........play the lad when he is feeling top of the world and playing well). There are of course times where you need tough love and to shout, but you really need to outweigh that with positive coaching both during the week and during games. The calling out players in public was unnecessary - counter that with Clarke saying to Killie fans 'boo Jordan you boo me'..........chalk and cheese and has the desired effect. Bet he was angry at the tweets but he showed real solidarity publicly and it worked - fans stayed onside and backed both player and manager. Lennon is far too rash.

Another case in point, watch Mallan during a game and how he drifts in and out and watch him closely positionally - the lad doesn't know whether he should drop deep, play further forward as a 10, play wide to support the left back............he's lost. I watch and listen to NL and all Neil does is shout.........and it's usually negative and derogatory. I don't believe for one minute Mallan's recent 'he's one of the best manager' lines is honest, that's player rhetoric. I'll bet some of the players are really peed off being bawled at and not being really told their roles and have developed a dislike for the management team.

You can't blame injuries, we have players who are good enough and we also have players who are experienced enough to get through games and win. But it's not easy if you know you're coming off the pitch to get negativity.

The club's demeanour this season is all wrong too, it's 'dour' and it's failed to capitalise on the feel good factor. You rarely see or hear from Leeann, the media side of things has gone way way downhill since Greig and Tom left and there is already a feeling that some fans are disconnecting again. Even when we lost games (and they were here) the place was upbeat and their ideas were imaginative and creative. And the singing section nonsense............those guys are great and uplifting and the club seems to have treated them poorly.

It's not just Neil Lennon but the whole club behind the scenes need to get reinvigorated and get back to what they were doing best the last 4 seasons. The media and marketing has been woeful this season. Hibs are becoming boring again.

Excellent post. Add in ticketmaster/loyalty points fiasco and even catering. The feelgood factor has long gone. Surely those at the top must realise there are a lot of issues that need to be addressed?

[The 90+2]

Wish I shared your optimism Matty but there's only so many times you can shout, bawl and call out players until it becomes 'white noise' and players simply switch off to it - and some have. There is no direction from him during games, if you watch and listen to him (and Parker when he's bothered to give input) all they do now is shout. They don't instruct, lead from the sidelines and direct players. Formations are baffling, he doesn't seem to capitalise on the psychological side of the game (Mackie doing great v Celtic, on a high, then dropped........play the lad when he is feeling top of the world and playing well). There are of course times where you need tough love and to shout, but you really need to outweigh that with positive coaching both during the week and during games. The calling out players in public was unnecessary - counter that with Clarke saying to Killie fans 'boo Jordan you boo me'..........chalk and cheese and has the desired effect. Bet he was angry at the tweets but he showed real solidarity publicly and it worked - fans stayed onside and backed both player and manager. Lennon is far too rash.

Another case in point, watch Mallan during a game and how he drifts in and out and watch him closely positionally - the lad doesn't know whether he should drop deep, play further forward as a 10, play wide to support the left back............he's lost. I watch and listen to NL and all Neil does is shout.........and it's usually negative and derogatory. I don't believe for one minute Mallan's recent 'he's one of the best manager' lines is honest, that's player rhetoric. I'll bet some of the players are really peed off being bawled at and not being really told their roles and have developed a dislike for the management team.

You can't blame injuries, we have players who are good enough and we also have players who are experienced enough to get through games and win. But it's not easy if you know you're coming off the pitch to get negativity.

The club's demeanour this season is all wrong too, it's 'dour' and it's failed to capitalise on the feel good factor. You rarely see or hear from Leeann, the media side of things has gone way way downhill since Greig and Tom left and there is already a feeling that some fans are disconnecting again. Even when we lost games (and they were here) the place was upbeat and their ideas were imaginative and creative. And the singing section nonsense............those guys are great and uplifting and the club seems to have treated them poorly.

It's not just Neil Lennon but the whole club behind the scenes need to get reinvigorated and get back to what they were doing best the last 4 seasons. The media and marketing has been woeful this season. Hibs are becoming boring again.

Completely spot on sadly. Tremendous post.

[Heckys Wheel]

Wish I shared your optimism Matty but there's only so many times you can shout, bawl and call out players until it becomes 'white noise' and players simply switch off to it - and some have. There is no direction from him during games, if you watch and listen to him (and Parker when he's bothered to give input) all they do now is shout. They don't instruct, lead from the sidelines and direct players. Formations are baffling, he doesn't seem to capitalise on the psychological side of the game (Mackie doing great v Celtic, on a high, then dropped........play the lad when he is feeling top of the world and playing well). There are of course times where you need tough love and to shout, but you really need to outweigh that with positive coaching both during the week and during games. The calling out players in public was unnecessary - counter that with Clarke saying to Killie fans 'boo Jordan you boo me'..........chalk and cheese and has the desired effect. Bet he was angry at the tweets but he showed real solidarity publicly and it worked - fans stayed onside and backed both player and manager. Lennon is far too rash.

Another case in point, watch Mallan during a game and how he drifts in and out and watch him closely positionally - the lad doesn't know whether he should drop deep, play further forward as a 10, play wide to support the left back............he's lost. I watch and listen to NL and all Neil does is shout.........and it's usually negative and derogatory. I don't believe for one minute Mallan's recent 'he's one of the best manager' lines is honest, that's player rhetoric. I'll bet some of the players are really peed off being bawled at and not being really told their roles and have developed a dislike for the management team.

You can't blame injuries, we have players who are good enough and we also have players who are experienced enough to get through games and win. But it's not easy if you know you're coming off the pitch to get negativity.

The club's demeanour this season is all wrong too, it's 'dour' and it's failed to capitalise on the feel good factor. You rarely see or hear from Leeann, the media side of things has gone way way downhill since Greig and Tom left and there is already a feeling that some fans are disconnecting again. Even when we lost games (and they were here) the place was upbeat and their ideas were imaginative and creative. And the singing section nonsense............those guys are great and uplifting and the club seems to have treated them poorly.

It's not just Neil Lennon but the whole club behind the scenes need to get reinvigorated and get back to what they were doing best the last 4 seasons. The media and marketing has been woeful this season. Hibs are becoming boring again.

This post is spot on.

Everything that was good at the club is going in the wrong direction now. That includes the style of play, the desire and fight on the pitch, the communication coming from the manager and players. As well as the marketing and communications and the commercial side of the club.

On the pitch we have a feel of Mourinho’s Utd team. I’ve backed Lennon all the way but I’m edging closer to the opinion that a young Manager with little experience, could come in and get this squad “enjoying their football again” and we’d see instant results.

The marketing, media and communications have been in decline since the last Marketing Director left, LD has gone quiet now the accolades have stopped and the commercial side of the club is completely out of touch with the fans again. Only this week I saw a tweet asking for £130 for kids to wave a flag on the pitch. Buying the privilege to play on the pitch has tripled in price in the space of a couple of years and the pricing table for 4th Round games demonstrated perfectly where the club are at with regards to thoughts for the fans.

The most regular communication coming out of the club these days is putting something up for sale at extortionate prices. It’s not on.