Morton v Hibernian

[MWHIBBIES]

Just watched the goals on Freeview.
Re. the pen. Does Daz no' play the ball first? :dunno:
Nobody seems to be screaming about it so I assume I'm wrong.Was miles away from it, extremely stupid challenge.

[Callum_62]

Definite pen for them - definite pen for us

[Smartie]

Just watched the goals on Freeview.
Re. the pen. Does Daz no' play the ball first? :dunno:
Nobody seems to be screaming about it so I assume I'm wrong.

I thought he definitely got the ball at the game and couldn't work out why nobody seemed more worked up about it.

[Stevie Reid]

I can understand people having concerns about the lack of goals and how many draws we've had, but I find the amount of negativity on here most of the time to be especially galling - we have an objective to achieve this season, and we are hopefully on the verge of doing that. I truly don't care how it's done.

Many, many people on here the last two seasons have stated that they would happily jettison the passing and possession football for the sake of winning the league (I know both Hearts and Rangers won by a big margin by regularly beating teams comfortably), and so many said after the glory of winning the Scottish Cup last season that the only aim was to now get out of the Championship, by whatever means necessary. If those same people are now whining about us not doing it in enough style, then that winds me up.

There is no glory in winning this league, there is only meeting the sole objective that was set at the start of the season, to get back to the league that we should be in - a box to be ticked. If/when it happens, I will of course be pleased and celebrate the fact, but it will be light years away from last May, possibly the most glorious day in our history. Thoughts will immediately be focused on how we prepare for being back in the SPL.

On that note, I find it incomprehensible that anyone wouldn't want Lennon in charge next season, not even taking into account the fact that it would be insane to get rid of a manager who just won you promotion. I love the guy, and love the passion that he has for Hibs - which is in stark contrast to some of our recent incumbents. Are people's memories really that short? If he has been more pragmatic at times than people would have liked, I can understand it completely to get us where we need to be. If we play like we have in our more reserved performances next season, then I'll be concerned - but I don't see that being how Lennon wants us to play.

I actually think we have so much to build on for next season. We are hard as nails and very hard to beat - and not losing many is a great habit to get into (IIRC correctly, Inverness under Butcher went an entire year without losing away from home, half of which was in the SPL after promotion) and we have so often been accused of being a soft touch over the years. I sure don't see that now, and can't imagine we ever will be under Lennon. We have a solid spine to the team, some very talented footballers and one of the most natural goalscorers in the country. That's a sound basis upon which to build.

There's no doubt that some of the transfer activity has been a bit disappointing, but there have been some inspired signings too - and we have had an horrendous season in terms of injuries to key players for long periods of time. I'm excited to see who Lennon brings in next season actually - at the start of the season I had a fairly in depth look at his transfer business at Celtic, and his signing record was excellent, and he brought in a lot more in fees than he spent.

Probably the most interesting thing for me was that in three full seasons and six transfer windows as Celtic manager, he only brought in three players that were signed from other SPL teams (Mulgrew, Stokes and McGeough), which shows that he has decent contacts and is prepared to look further afield for quality. Yes we will need several good players in for next season if we go up, but that is perfectly normal. Hearts and Rangers both won the league by a mile and still performed major surgery on their squads. We will be no different - it's who we bring in that will be key.

Would it have been nice to dish out a few hammerings this season? Of course it would. But when we have a team that always shows up, often plays well and wins its biggest games, I'm prepared to allow the less inspirational performances against teams in the lower reaches of this league. No amount of hammerings of the likes of Dumbarton or Ayr would surpass the nights that we had under the floodlights at ER against Dundee Utd and Hearts, when we blew them away. Again, there was glory in winning those games - there is none in dispatching part-time teams by large score lines.

If we use our four games against the likes of Hearts and Brondby this season as our marker for how we may do in the SPL, it is really encouraging - it will be interesting to see how we get on against an excellent Aberdeen side in a couple of weeks too. The long and the short of it is, with our current Chief Exec, manager, many of our playing squad - and the appetite of our support reflected in the early season ticket sales - I can't help but be overwhelmingly optimistic for next season. When we hopefully wrap this league up in the near future, I very much hope more on this board will join in.

[Blaster]

Well said Stevie

[Cardinal Hibernian]

I remember getting pumped.off Dunfermline at ER in the League Cup was it 3 1 maybe...awful stuff. Clydebank away in Scottish too we lost 1 nil

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Yup, a 3 - 1 loss in late August 1989. John Collins equalised to take it to extra-time. I have already touched upon the Clydebank loss. However, to be fair to Miller, he did then get a win in the 1991 League Cup Final against the Pars and then quite an exciting side skelped the Bankies 5 v 1 back at New Kilbowie in the Scottish Cup (Jan / Feb 1992 if my memory cells are working).

However, the worst for me was the loss (ok not counting Arbroath in the late 1970s but that would be going to far back) at Bayview against East Fife after a reply. I think Roughie had a shin bone broken in that reply. Celtc (note spelling!) horsed them 6 v 0 in the following round and so chances of progressing would have been slim anyway. Without checking must have been Sir Patrick of Stanton who was the manager for that East Fife tie.

[bigwheel]

Yup, a 3 - 1 loss in late August 1989. John Collins equalised to take it to extra-time. I have already touched upon the Clydebank loss. However, to be fair to Miller, he did then get a win in the 1991 League Cup Final against the Pars and then quite an exciting side skelped the Bankies 5 v 1 back at New Kilbowie in the Scottish Cup (Jan / Feb 1992 if my memory cells are working).

However, the worst for me was the loss (ok not counting Arbroath in the late 1970s but that would be going to far back) at Bayview against East Fife after a reply. I think Roughie had a shin bone broken in that reply. Celtc (note spelling!) horsed them 6 v 0 in the following round and so chances of progressing would have been slim anyway. Without checking must have been Sir Patrick of Stanton who was the manager for that East Fife tie.


A couple things about that East Fife tie that I recall...one was Durie , playing for East Fife at the time was outstanding...and secondly was the crush outside the away end before the game - it's one of the only times I was a bit fearful in a crowd...my feet left the ground at one point as the crowd pushed forward to the few gates that were open..a wee bit scary..

[Peevemor]

A couple things about that East Fife tie that I recall...one was Durie , playing for East Fife at the time was outstanding...and secondly was the crush outside the away end before the game - it's one of the only times I was a bit fearful in a crowd...my feet left the ground at one point as the crowd pushed forward to the few gates that were open..a wee bit scary..
We bought Durie not long after.

As for that match, my mates and I found ourselves in the home end, and ran down the touchline during a stoppage in play to jump in beside the Hibs supporters.

[Lago]

I can understand people having concerns about the lack of goals and how many draws we've had, but I find the amount of negativity on here most of the time to be especially galling - we have an objective to achieve this season, and we are hopefully on the verge of doing that. I truly don't care how it's done.

Many, many people on here the last two seasons have stated that they would happily jettison the passing and possession football for the sake of winning the league (I know both Hearts and Rangers won by a big margin by regularly beating teams comfortably), and so many said after the glory of winning the Scottish Cup last season that the only aim was to now get out of the Championship, by whatever means necessary. If those same people are now whining about us not doing it in enough style, then that winds me up.

There is no glory in winning this league, there is only meeting the sole objective that was set at the start of the season, to get back to the league that we should be in - a box to be ticked. If/when it happens, I will of course be pleased and celebrate the fact, but it will be light years away from last May, possibly the most glorious day in our history. Thoughts will immediately be focused on how we prepare for being back in the SPL.

On that note, I find it incomprehensible that anyone wouldn't want Lennon in charge next season, not even taking into account the fact that it would be insane to get rid of a manager who just won you promotion. I love the guy, and love the passion that he has for Hibs - which is in stark contrast to some of our recent incumbents. Are people's memories really that short? If he has been more pragmatic at times than people would have liked, I can understand it completely to get us where we need to be. If we play like we have in our more reserved performances next season, then I'll be concerned - but I don't see that being how Lennon wants us to play.

I actually think we have so much to build on for next season. We are hard as nails and very hard to beat - and not losing many is a great habit to get into (IIRC correctly, Inverness under Butcher went an entire year without losing away from home, half of which was in the SPL after promotion) and we have so often been accused of being a soft touch over the years. I sure don't see that now, and can't imagine we ever will be under Lennon. We have a solid spine to the team, some very talented footballers and one of the most natural goalscorers in the country. That's a sound basis upon which to build.

There's no doubt that some of the transfer activity has been a bit disappointing, but there have been some inspired signings too - and we have had an horrendous season in terms of injuries to key players for long periods of time. I'm excited to see who Lennon brings in next season actually - at the start of the season I had a fairly in depth look at his transfer business at Celtic, and his signing record was excellent, and he brought in a lot more in fees than he spent.

Probably the most interesting thing for me was that in three full seasons and six transfer windows as Celtic manager, he only brought in three players that were signed from other SPL teams (Mulgrew, Stokes and McGeough), which shows that he has decent contacts and is prepared to look further afield for quality. Yes we will need several good players in for next season if we go up, but that is perfectly normal. Hearts and Rangers both won the league by a mile and still performed major surgery on their squads. We will be no different - it's who we bring in that will be key.

Would it have been nice to dish out a few hammerings this season? Of course it would. But when we have a team that always shows up, often plays well and wins its biggest games, I'm prepared to allow the less inspirational performances against teams in the lower reaches of this league. No amount of hammerings of the likes of Dumbarton or Ayr would surpass the nights that we had under the floodlights at ER against Dundee Utd and Hearts, when we blew them away. Again, there was glory in winning those games - there is none in dispatching part-time teams by large score lines.

If we use our four games against the likes of Hearts and Brondby this season as our marker for how we may do in the SPL, it is really encouraging - it will be interesting to see how we get on against an excellent Aberdeen side in a couple of weeks too. The long and the short of it is, with our current Chief Exec, manager, many of our playing squad - and the appetite of our support reflected in the early season ticket sales - I can't help but be overwhelmingly optimistic for next season. When we hopefully wrap this league up in the near future, I very much hope more on this board will join in.
Great post, sums up my thoughts exactly.

[Callum_62]

We are potentially champions this coming Saturday

We have a Scottish cup semi the week after

Why so glum Hibee chums?

[CallumLaidlaw]

I thought he definitely got the ball at the game and couldn't work out why nobody seemed more worked up about it.

I was absolutely adamant at the game that he got to the ball first. As was everyone around me. One look at the highlights showed I was very wrong tho. Nowhere near the ball.

[JimBHibees]

I can understand people having concerns about the lack of goals and how many draws we've had, but I find the amount of negativity on here most of the time to be especially galling - we have an objective to achieve this season, and we are hopefully on the verge of doing that. I truly don't care how it's done.

Many, many people on here the last two seasons have stated that they would happily jettison the passing and possession football for the sake of winning the league (I know both Hearts and Rangers won by a big margin by regularly beating teams comfortably), and so many said after the glory of winning the Scottish Cup last season that the only aim was to now get out of the Championship, by whatever means necessary. If those same people are now whining about us not doing it in enough style, then that winds me up.

There is no glory in winning this league, there is only meeting the sole objective that was set at the start of the season, to get back to the league that we should be in - a box to be ticked. If/when it happens, I will of course be pleased and celebrate the fact, but it will be light years away from last May, possibly the most glorious day in our history. Thoughts will immediately be focused on how we prepare for being back in the SPL.

On that note, I find it incomprehensible that anyone wouldn't want Lennon in charge next season, not even taking into account the fact that it would be insane to get rid of a manager who just won you promotion. I love the guy, and love the passion that he has for Hibs - which is in stark contrast to some of our recent incumbents. Are people's memories really that short? If he has been more pragmatic at times than people would have liked, I can understand it completely to get us where we need to be. If we play like we have in our more reserved performances next season, then I'll be concerned - but I don't see that being how Lennon wants us to play.

I actually think we have so much to build on for next season. We are hard as nails and very hard to beat - and not losing many is a great habit to get into (IIRC correctly, Inverness under Butcher went an entire year without losing away from home, half of which was in the SPL after promotion) and we have so often been accused of being a soft touch over the years. I sure don't see that now, and can't imagine we ever will be under Lennon. We have a solid spine to the team, some very talented footballers and one of the most natural goalscorers in the country. That's a sound basis upon which to build.

There's no doubt that some of the transfer activity has been a bit disappointing, but there have been some inspired signings too - and we have had an horrendous season in terms of injuries to key players for long periods of time. I'm excited to see who Lennon brings in next season actually - at the start of the season I had a fairly in depth look at his transfer business at Celtic, and his signing record was excellent, and he brought in a lot more in fees than he spent.

Probably the most interesting thing for me was that in three full seasons and six transfer windows as Celtic manager, he only brought in three players that were signed from other SPL teams (Mulgrew, Stokes and McGeough), which shows that he has decent contacts and is prepared to look further afield for quality. Yes we will need several good players in for next season if we go up, but that is perfectly normal. Hearts and Rangers both won the league by a mile and still performed major surgery on their squads. We will be no different - it's who we bring in that will be key.

Would it have been nice to dish out a few hammerings this season? Of course it would. But when we have a team that always shows up, often plays well and wins its biggest games, I'm prepared to allow the less inspirational performances against teams in the lower reaches of this league. No amount of hammerings of the likes of Dumbarton or Ayr would surpass the nights that we had under the floodlights at ER against Dundee Utd and Hearts, when we blew them away. Again, there was glory in winning those games - there is none in dispatching part-time teams by large score lines.

If we use our four games against the likes of Hearts and Brondby this season as our marker for how we may do in the SPL, it is really encouraging - it will be interesting to see how we get on against an excellent Aberdeen side in a couple of weeks too. The long and the short of it is, with our current Chief Exec, manager, many of our playing squad - and the appetite of our support reflected in the early season ticket sales - I can't help but be overwhelmingly optimistic for next season. When we hopefully wrap this league up in the near future, I very much hope more on this board will join in.

Great post totally agree this season is purely about getting up irrespective of how it is done. No doubt Neil would have liked to win more games however we have protected our lead pretty well the last few weeks by not losing to teams rather than winning though beating Falkirk was huge imo. Once we are up a new job to take on and I am sure we will see decent quality arriving.

[Dibben]

I was absolutely adamant at the game that he got to the ball first. As was everyone around me. One look at the highlights showed I was very wrong tho. Nowhere near the ball.

I've only seen it on my phone - but at the game I am 100% sure he did play the ball, but can't say whether he went through the man to get it.

On my phone I can't tell...

[snooky]

I've only seen it on my phone - but at the game I am 100% sure he did play the ball, but can't say whether he went through the man to get it.

On my phone I can't tell...

I still think he plays the ball. Great tackle :greengrin
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[wookie70]

Nowhere near the ball. The Morton player waits for the tackle before kicking the ball away so Daz gets nothing on it. Clever from the Morton player stupid from Daz. The freeze frame shows Daz about to wipe out the Morton player and he hasn't got within a foot of the ball from what I can see.

[lucky]

Nowhere near the ball. The Morton player waits for the tackle before kicking the ball away so Daz gets nothing on it. Clever from the Morton player stupid from Daz. The freeze frame shows Daz about to wipe out the Morton player and he hasn't got within a foot of the ball from what I can see.

Spot on, unfortunately he did the same against the Yams. Hopefully he'll learn to stay on his feet.

[inglisavhibs]

People on here just wont admit they are wrong, but we have a forward line as poor as anything we've had in the past.

Cummings does score some great goals, yesterdays was up there with the best, but apart from the odd game he's not played that well as a footballer goals apart. He's not progressed as much as i'd hoped in the other parts of his game that he clearly can do as we all saw against Hearts where he was fantastic for the whole game.

Holt is a waste of a jersey 90% of the time, Graham has to be up there with some of the worst players we've seen in a hibs strip, and Keatings while having good technique is just not good enough to be a player where we all want Hibs to be.

As an attacking force, we do not have the right blend. Wide we have Boyle, he's very direct but has no final ball. He has pace and thats about it, no tricks no real skill to beat a man, just pace and little quality when delivering the ball. I really think he's a better player up front than those mentioned above bar Cummings.

Our midfield players rarely get beyond the front men, and the play is way too pedestrian which allows every team the time to get behind the ball in numbers far too easily.

We need at least 5 new first choice picks in my opinion, and thats allowing for us keeping John McGinn and Cummings.

That will be the same players who have pumped every SPL team we have played over the last two seasons (or most of them ) . Give us some names that should be on our list within our budget that are so much better than we have. Yes we need to make improvements but the slating you give our players is a bit embarasing.

[snooky]

Nowhere near the ball. The Morton player waits for the tackle before kicking the ball away so Daz gets nothing on it. Clever from the Morton player stupid from Daz. The freeze frame shows Daz about to wipe out the Morton player and he hasn't got within a foot of the ball from what I can see.

It's hard to see from the video who actually kicks the ball. The projectory had me assuming it was Daz.
If it was indeed the Morton player then I agree, it's a penalty and the tackle was probably late enough to do for next week. :wink:

[blackpoolhibs]

That will be the same players who have pumped every SPL team we have played over the last two seasons (or most of them ) . Give us some names that should be on our list within our budget that are so much better than we have. Yes we need to make improvements but the slating you give our players is a bit embarasing.

The same players have put in some woeful performances over the last 3 seasons, more in my opinion this season.

They dont appear to have much problem raising there games against the top sides, although even the management said they understood why we were so poor the game after we beat hearts.

Thats just another excuse in the long list of excuses in my opinion, and if thats carried on next season, are we to expect more of the same after 4 games against hearts, 4 against celtic and 4 against sevco, and another 4 against aberdeen?

We need much better players, and players who are stronger mentally, which to be fair to Lennon he certainly is.

There's a reason we've drawn so many games in this league, and the likes of hearts and sevco romped it, and its a quite simple reason, they had a better team with a better mentality, along with a style of play implemented by a manager who knew what they were doing.

[Northernhibee]

Great goal from the Cumdog!

Famous!

[cmcd]

I think he is much, much better now than he was at the start of the season.

He's worked hard and improved his game hugely.

I would say that he's still a bit predictable about wanting to get it onto his left foot before shooting. Every now and then he could do with surprising teams by taking it on his right.

He's much, much better at running the channels than he used to be and is a big threat in behind teams.

Come to think of it, I'm being a bit harsh and you're probably right. I agreed with Lennon at the start of the season that when he's not scoring he's not adding much but that's not really the case any more.

It certainly was on Saturday against QoS

[Basildon Hibs]

It certainly was on Saturday against QoS

He'll score on Saturday...😉