Commons - any update?

[houstonhibbee]

Thats what I mean. If we are talking to Commons directly it surely means that both Hibs and Celtic have come to some sort of agreement to continue the loan and it is now purely about what Commons wants to do.
If Commons wants to keep getting paid then he only has two options as things stand

maybe he and his agent want to use the rest of the window to see what other interest that can generate either on a loan deal or a new contract

[WoreTheGreen]

Kris is helping coaching already.

[Craig_HFC]

Do you think the BBC put him up to this tweet?

That's some world-class consipiracy theorising there.

[Danderhall Hibs]

If Commons wants to keep getting paid then he only has two options as things stand

maybe he and his agent want to use the rest of the window to see what other interest that can generate either on a loan deal or a new contract

When does the MLS season start? Is that maybe an option - one that would please his agent?

[Danderhall Hibs]

That's some world-class consipiracy theorising there.

I'm just trying to fit in with the others.

[Craig_HFC]

I'm just trying to fit in with the others.

:greengrin

[--------]

If Commons wants to keep getting paid then he only has two options as things stand

maybe he and his agent want to use the rest of the window to see what other interest that can generate either on a loan deal or a new contract

Well, they need to be careful. At ER he's fairly sure of a place in the side most match-days. If he leaves, and we get in someone else, he could find himself back where he was, training at Celtic and struggling to get a place on the bench ahead of younger players.

If he stays at ER till the end of May and we go up, he'll be sure to have been noticed and should have no problem getting a new start.

And his family are settled in Scotland? He should know when he's well off.

[northstandhibby]

Thats what I mean. If we are talking to Commons directly it surely means that both Hibs and Celtic have come to some sort of agreement to continue the loan and it is now purely about what Commons wants to do.

Really hope he stays. He's been class so far and that is with him being below his peak fitness levels. Would be great for the younger players to learn from him. Comes across as a really nice bloke.

If he doesn't then best wishes to him for coming in and steadying the ship for us while some of our best players were out with injury and for pitching in with invaluable goals.

Glory Glory

[houstonhibbee]

Well, they need to be careful. At ER he's fairly sure of a place in the side most match-days. If he leaves, and we get in someone else, he could find himself back where he was, training at Celtic and struggling to get a place on the bench ahead of younger players.

If he stays at ER till the end of May and we go up, he'll be sure to have been noticed and should have no problem getting a new start.

And his family are settled in Scotland? He should know when he's well off.
That all makes sense to me. Cant help thinking there is something else at play otherwise it wouldn't see to be such a mystery.
You would think the meeting on Monday would settle things but KC in the interview indicated it might take weeks rather than days

[Keyser Sauzee]

Kris is helping coaching already.

If this is true (and I'm not doubting u btw) then I can see the deal being extended to the summer at least as I can't see why if he was only ever here for the month why NL would have him helping with the coaching.

[IWasThere2016]

Commons will need a pay-off from Celtc as he's on a basic of £12k + appearance money.

There's no way Celtc will allow us to pay just £2k a week till the end of the season, and I doubt we'll pay more.

I have never believed he would be at us full time - and still don't.

[Golden Bear]

If this is true (and I'm not doubting u btw) then I can see the deal being extended to the summer at least as I can't see why if he was only ever here for the month why NL would have him helping with the coaching.

Good point. The possible player/coaching role was first mooted back in August so it's perfectly feasible that something might materialise along these lines.

[high bee]

Based on what his agent's tweeted it doesn't sound like there's a decent chance.

His agents job is to do the best for his player. He's played the last game during this loan spell and his agent is publicising a positive loan spell coming to an end to try and develop interest.

They will all know what the score is but Kris has said he will speak to Celtic so unless something significant comes up to tempt him away from family we've got a good shout. Commons agent will be conscious that he must speak in relation to facts only (that this is his last game) especially to Chick Young of all people so as to not upset Celtic.

[WoreTheGreen]

If this is true (and I'm not doubting u btw) then I can see the deal being extended to the summer at least as I can't see why if he was only ever here for the month why NL would have him helping with the coaching.

Took control or a few coaching sesions players highly impressed

[high bee]

Took control or a few coaching sesions players highly impressed

Hopefully coached our midfielders to score goals ;)

[Keyser Sauzee]

Took control or a few coaching sesions players highly impressed

This is a big sign to me that he will probably stay then, everything u hear agents a players say is just lip service most of the time but actions like this say a lot more IMO. It doesn't make sense to me for him to take training if there wasn't long term thinking behind it by both NL and KC. Sounds promising to me.:thumbsup:

[silverhibee]

When does the MLS season start? Is that maybe an option - one that would please his agent?

March.

[truehibernian]

March.

Seems a devoted family man SH, can't see him leaving or uprooting family - the way I see it panning out is Celtic pay his contract (not in full but a compromise), we get him until end of season where he then has chance to assess options. Van Dijk being sold brings 'Tic millions in a sell on - pretty sure that'll ease things.

[brog]

Commons will need a pay-off from Celtc as he's on a basic of £12k + appearance money.

There's no way Celtc will allow us to pay just £2k a week till the end of the season, and I doubt we'll pay more.

I have never believed he would be at us full time - and still don't.

£2k a week from us is better than the zero Celtc will get by letting him rot at Darkheid for the rest of the season!

[Nicho87]

I think he would be quite happy to stay with us providing and quite rightly he gets a decent settlement of contract from the tims. If this can be done i would say a fair deal would be 6 month deal with the option of a further 12 months if he wants it. If he'd rather go to the states or england shake hands and move on. I hope we get him in for the remainder of the season as he is scoring vital goals.

[WhileTheChief..]

He said he wants to stay. Doesn't matter if other clubs come in for him or not if he doesn't want to go to them.

He will get paid by Celtic whether he goes back there, gets loaned to us or Celtic pay up his contract and he's free to do whatever he wants.

I don't see any reason why he won't be here.

[CRAZYHIBBY]

Im just grateful for the few games that we had him..anything more is a bonus

[The Harp Awakes]

I've no inside information but my hunch is that KC will be with us until the end of the season. The key thing is that he wants to be here. Money will clearly be a factor but I think it will be sorted.

[truehibernian]

I've no inside information but my hunch is that KC will be with us until the end of the season. The key thing is that he wants to be here. Money will clearly be a factor but I think it will be sorted.

I'll be astonished if he's not a Hibs player until summer.

[Jim44]

Commons will need a pay-off from Celtc as he's on a basic of £12k + appearance money.

There's no way Celtc will allow us to pay just £2k a week till the end of the season, and I doubt we'll pay more.

I have never believed he would be at us full time - and still don't.

What options do Celtic have? Tell him to beetle off to the midlands or some other place he probably doesn't want to go to, in the hope that they can get a grand or more towards his wages? Or cut their noses off to spite their ugly mugs by keeping him at Parkhead doing sod all for his full contracted wage? I think everything hinges on what Commons wants. He's got them by the short and curlies. £40k is better than a snotter up your nose, think about it Celtic.

[Baw187]

[emoji23][emoji23]The conjecture and speculation on this thread is brilliant!

It could go anyway and and nobody has the foggiest idea whether he'll stay or not. Fantastic if he does. All the best and thanks for the contribution if not.

[houstonhibbee]

[emoji23][emoji23]The conjecture and speculation on this thread is brilliant!

It could go anyway and and nobody has the foggiest idea whether he'll stay or not. Fantastic if he does. All the best and thanks for the contribution if not.
The virtual pub:greengrin

[BigT-Hibeez]

My Mates cousins aunty heard him whistling "should I stay or should I go" by the Clash, so I would say it's pretty inconclusive at this stage.. What will he whistle next I wonder??

[Bay Area Hibees]

Appreciate the handful of games and his role
But really want him til end of season.
Long way to go.
Plus defense of Scottish cup ! Albeit I know that is secondary importance given imperative of promotion.
Stay till end of season, help us get promoted and then head to USA or stay with us.
You know it makes sense....

[spike220]

Appreciate the handful of games and his role
But really want him til end of season.
Long way to go.
Plus defense of Scottish cup ! Albeit I know that is secondary importance given imperative of promotion.
Stay till end of season, help us get promoted and then head to USA or stay with us.
You know it makes sense....

You don't defend the Scottish cup, you have to play to win it again!

[J-C]

Commons will need a pay-off from Celtc as he's on a basic of £12k + appearance money.

There's no way Celtc will allow us to pay just £2k a week till the end of the season, and I doubt we'll pay more.

I have never believed he would be at us full time - and still don't.

How do you know all this?

I've read on here he's on £12k, £18k and £20k and we're paying him £2k or maybe it's 20%, tell me how does anyone outside of Commons, his agent and Celtic know how much he's paid and how much we're paying towards that sum?

How do you know how much we'll pay him, do you know the ceiling for Hibs wages, is there a ceiling or pure conjecture on your part?

Far to much guess work and horse**** on this thread, Hibs will pay what they think he's worth determined by their budget, this will also be determined by Celtic and if they are happy with what we offer.

If Celtic pay off Commons contract, he may well be happy to come to us for £2k as he's been payed off by Celtic and his full wages whatever they are will be in his bank, so he will not be losing out, if it's a loan again, he'll still get his full wage, partly paid by us.

[lapsedhibee]

Is he the agent?

Or is this just a BBC employee doing biased stuff?

:greengrin

You would accept though, would you not, that Sally Magnusson did use the phrase "Scottish Cup supporters" and/or "West of Scotland football fans" to avoid saying "Rangers fans"? Don't you find that just a trifle odd? :dunno:

[Jim44]

How do you know all this?

I've read on here he's on £12k, £18k and £20k and we're paying him £2k or maybe it's 20%, tell me how does anyone outside of Commons, his agent and Celtic know how much he's paid and how much we're paying towards that sum?

How do you know how much we'll pay him, do you know the ceiling for Hibs wages, is there a ceiling or pure conjecture on your part?

Far to much guess work and horse**** on this thread, Hibs will pay what they think he's worth determined by their budget, this will also be determined by Celtic and if they are happy with what we offer.

If Celtic pay off Commons contract, he may well be happy to come to us for £2k as he's been payed off by Celtic and his full wages whatever they are will be in his bank, so he will not be losing out, if it's a loan again, he'll still get his full wage, partly paid by us.

I'm quite sure that, when a club pays off a player, the total amount paid is greatly reduced, so that the player, over the piece, loses out. Unless of course the new club makes up the total shortfall, which in this case we probably could not or would not choose to do.

[Enough said]

I'm quite sure that, when a club pays off a player, the total amount paid is greatly reduced, so that the player, over the piece, loses out. Unless of course the new club makes up the total shortfall, which in this case we probably could not or would not choose to do.

Nonsense contracts are paid up on full unless a breach has been made, which in this case hasn't. Commons will get his full contract paid up from Celtic.

[J-C]

I'm quite sure that, when a club pays off a player, the total amount paid is greatly reduced, so that the player, over the piece, loses out. Unless of course the new club makes up the total shortfall, which in this case we probably could not or would not choose to do.



Why would a player choose to take a lesser amount if the team want him off the payroll, unfortunately getting rid of players by short changing them with a reduced pay off doesn't work nowadays.

Approx 20 weeks till the season ends, would you take £160K pay off(reduced) or £240K full payment?

[brog]

Nonsense contracts are paid up on full unless a breach has been made, which in this case hasn't. Commons will get his full contract paid up from Celtic.

Just not true I'm afraid. In football a pay off invariably results from negotiation, there would be no need for negotiation if the full amount was paid. Barton apparently accepted just over 50% of the total amount due to him over the duration of his contract.
This then allows the player to find a new club, in Barton's case he's now being paid by 2 clubs at least through end of this season.

[Enough said]

Just not true I'm afraid. In football a pay off invariably results from negotiation, there would be no need for negotiation if the full amount was paid. Barton apparently accepted just over 50% of the total amount due to him over the duration of his contract.
This then allows the player to find a new club, in Barton's case he's now being paid by 2 clubs at least through end of this season.

Totally different situation , Barton breaches his contract or got fight punting on games . This situation is different . Cheers

[Hibeewilly]

Kris Commons will be a Hibs player till the end of the season at least and I'm not telling you my source

[Danderhall Hibs]

:greengrin

You would accept though, would you not, that Sally Magnusson did use the phrase "Scottish Cup supporters" and/or "West of Scotland football fans" to avoid saying "Rangers fans"? Don't you find that just a trifle odd? :dunno:


I didn't realise she had said that although I accept that's what I've read in some articles.

[s.a.m]

[QUOTE=brog;4908174]Just not true I'm afraid. In football a pay off invariably results from negotiation, there would be no need for negotiation if the full amount was paid. Barton apparently accepted just over 50% of the total amount due to him over the duration of his contract.
This then allows the player to find a new club, in Barton's case he's now being paid by 2 clubs at least through end of this season.[

Tm McManus talks about this in his new blog. In fact, not so much negotiation, but the psychological breaking of a player (him) that a club wants rid of.

[Jim44]

Why would a player choose to take a lesser amount if the team want him off the payroll, unfortunately getting rid of players by short changing them with a reduced pay off doesn't work nowadays.

Approx 20 weeks till the season ends, would you take £160K pay off(reduced) or £240K full payment?

A player would accept a lesser amount knowing that he was a free agent to go to another club for a decent wage, giving him a greater aggregate total salary. For example, Let's say Commons was on £12k per week. Celtic might agree to return his contract for, say, £8k per week. Commons could then go to a club which might be willing to pay him £5k per week........... Commons and Celtic win,win. :dunno:

[lucky]

I love the fact that some posters are saying others are posting "conjecture". FFS this is fans forum 99.9% of the posts are conjecture. Lighten up it's fans talking football

[TrinityHibby]

Kris Commons will be a Hibs player till the end of the season at least and I'm not telling you my source
Cheers Kris:agree:

[scoopyboy]

My prediction is Commons will be with us beyond January through to the end of the season.

Wouldn't surprise me though if it isn't sorted out til near the end of the month so might miss next couple of games.

I think we want him, I think he wants to stay but I think Celtic's financial demands may be the stumbling block.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

If Celtc won't compromise on money and we can't then there may be a decision for the player to make.

[Captain Trips]

Players generally take a payoff of less than the contract worth. It saves the club paying the player fully and saves the player hanging about not playing. It will only be agreed if both parties are happy.

But in this case I think we can probably all agree that Commons is on over 10k pw therefore his payoff would need to be pretty high so we were able to match a shortfall, or has been stated Celtic pay him fully for his service.

[Jim44]

My prediction is Commons will be with us beyond January through to the end of the season.

Wouldn't surprise me though if it isn't sorted out til near the end of the month so might miss next couple of games.

I think we want him, I think he wants to stay but I think Celtic's financial demands may be the stumbling block.

What might these demands be? A bigger % share of his salary from Hibs seems the obvious one. If, as has been reported, Commons wants to stay with us and has no appetite to go further afield, surely any contribution from us is better than having a discontented non-player twiddling his thumbs in the background ....... poor for their club image and player morale etc.

[edwards]

Would like to see him stay for the rest of the season as his experiance would be beneficial in our run in. Surely after all he has done for Celtic they would come and go, there aren't that many games left. If he goes a big thank you for helping us out in our hour of need.

[snooky]

Would like to see him stay for the rest of the season as his experiance would be beneficial in our run in. Surely after all he has done for Celtic they would come and go, there aren't that many games left. If he goes a big thank you for helping us out in our hour of need.

You'd think there would be no problem in them giving him to Hibs, us being their feeder team and all.
:tin hat: :greengrin

[scoopyboy]

What might these demands be? A bigger % share of his salary from Hibs seems the obvious one. If, as has been reported, Commons wants to stay with us and has no appetite to go further afield, surely any contribution from us is better than having a discontented non-player twiddling his thumbs in the background ....... poor for their club image and player morale etc.

That would be my guess, but it's only a guess.

[Greenworld]

I've no idea what we are paying wages wise towards is salary but look at the last 5 games and the impact.I would be amazed if hibs don't come up with whatever is required it will be money well spent

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[147lothian]

My Mates cousins aunty heard him whistling "should I stay or should I go" by the Clash, so I would say it's pretty inconclusive at this stage.. What will he whistle next I wonder??

Tell me please, I wanna know!

[brog]

A player would accept a lesser amount knowing that he was a free agent to go to another club for a decent wage, giving him a greater aggregate total salary. For example, Let's say Commons was on £12k per week. Celtic might agree to return his contract for, say, £8k per week. Commons could then go to a club which might be willing to pay him £5k per week........... Commons and Celtic win,win. :dunno:

Sums it up perfectly. Separately, it's strange why footballers' salaries are always discussed as £xk a week. Possibly a nod to our working class roots but somehow can't see that happening with our captains of industry!!

[DavieRoy]

They have Lennon up now.

https://twitter.com/scotlandsky/status/820447218700271617

[J-C]

They have Lennon up now.

https://twitter.com/scotlandsky/status/820447218700271617



Liked the bit at the end, he's made a massive contribution...so far :greengrin

[Gogs07]

Let's all think of the benefit to Hibs!

Common's two away goals have won us six points.

The benefit of his experience and,hopefully, further goals will get us
out of this league as Champions and another great run in the Cup.

Any deal to make sure that he can play against Celtic in the Cup final! :greengrin

Get the deal done, pronto!!

[Jim44]

Liked the bit at the end, he's made a massive contribution...so far :greengrin

Maybe reading too much into it, but it wasn't just a ".......... massive contribution so far." bur more " ............massive contribution, (pause) so far.", emphasising it and kind of implying a continuation. We can but hope.

[J-C]

Maybe reading too much into it, but it wasn't just a ".......... massive contribution so far." bur more " ............massive contribution, (pause) so far.", emphasising it and kind of implying a continuation. We can but hope.


:agree:

[jgl07]

Sums it up perfectly. Separately, it's strange why footballers' salaries are always discussed as £xk a week. Possibly a nod to our working class roots but somehow can't see that happening with our captains of industry!!
Of course footballers were often paid weekly. Remember the tension at the end of each week when the Hearts players would go to the cash machine at midnight to see if their weekly wage had been paid in?

Hearts then spoiled things by going to monthly pay, presumably to give a bit of leeway to raise the cash 💰!

[Big L]

He appears to have had a massive effect on the squad, the likes of Cummings, Boyle and McGeough coming out and singing his praises, and saying they hope he stays, which is great for morale.

[Dan Sarf]

17952

Presumably he was talking off the top of his head. :greengrin

[hfc rd]

Hope he stays as he's played a pivotal part in our last three games. Took him time to get settled as he really was lacking match fitness but the last few weeks have shown what a class player he really is.

[lapsedhibee]

I didn't realise she had said that although I accept that's what I've read in some articles.

Can't find Sally on iPlayer but here's a BBC article from the summer. Surely even a dedicated sceptic like yourself will see something anomalous in the reporting here?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-36808609

To spell it out, the article names seven people in bother: four "Hibs fans" and three "other football fans".

[Marco G]

Hope he stays as he's played a pivotal part in our last three games. Took him time to get settled as he really was lacking match fitness but the last few weeks have shown what a class player he really is.
Yes, get the feeling he has enjoyed playing an active part in games that matter, after being on the sidelines at Parkhead, and gets on well with his new team mates.

Fwiw I think his and Celtic's regard for Neil Lennon will help us to sign him on loan until the end of the season. Lets hope so anyway!

[SonOfDavidFrancey]

The two interviews - commons and Lennon - are masterpieces of ambiguity. Reading between the lines it's pretty clear Lennon really wants him, Commons has enjoyed it and would probably like to carry on, but neither of them can speak for what Celtic want. Lennon doesn't make it want to sound like it's the end of the world if he doesn't come. Commons has been around long enough to know how to play a dead bat.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Can't find Sally on iPlayer but here's a BBC article from the summer. Surely even a dedicated sceptic like yourself will see something anomalous in the reporting here?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-36808609

To spell it out, the article names seven people in bother: four "Hibs fans" and three "other football fans".

I don't think it's just a BBC thing though. The BBC bias claims are a load of paranoid ***** imo.

[Jim44]

I don't think it's just a BBC thing though. The BBC bias claims are a load of paranoid ***** imo.

I'm not convinced in any way that our so-called obsession about the BBC is unfounded. For example, during our demise, they have joked, laughed taunted consistently as if they were enjoying the whole situation. Yesterday, discussing St Mirren's demise, they were, to a man, deadly serious in their concern for their future. No paranoia there, just saying it as it is.

[Ozyhibby]

I think in a deal like this everyone will have to give a little more than they want to make it happen.
Hibs will prob have to put Commons in right at the very top of the pay structure, Commons may have to accept a small cut in what he would receive if he just sat tight at Celtic in order to get back playing, and Celtic will have to accept that they are in the hook for the balance.
That's is going to take a fair bit of negotiating.


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[Hibby Bairn]

I would of thought something similar to current deal plus a higher % end of loan payment to Celtic if we get promoted would work. Performance related covenant in loan agreement.

[Danderhall Hibs]

I'm not convinced in any way that our so-called obsession about the BBC is unfounded. For example, during our demise, they have joked, laughed taunted consistently as if they were enjoying the whole situation. Yesterday, discussing St Mirren's demise, they were, to a man, deadly serious in their concern for their future. No paranoia there, just saying it as it is.

That's cos you're not a st Mirren fan though or a dundee united fan (last season).

[Ronniekirk]

I think in a deal like this everyone will have to give a little more than they want to make it happen.
Hibs will prob have to put Commons in right at the very top of the pay structure, Commons may have to accept a small cut in what he would receive if he just sat tight at Celtic in order to get back playing, and Celtic will have to accept that they are in the hook for the balance.
That's is going to take a fair bit of negotiating.


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In Leeann we Trust Make it happen and could be the piece of the jigsaw that guarantees us promotion quicker allowing other players to sign new comtracts for next season
Am sure if there is a willingness by all parties something can be worked out

[Tom Hart RIP]

I remember a top manager, possibly Clough saying that if you give players an excuse to fail they will always take it. Every team in the championship have moaned about how they can't be expected to compete against us cos we can sign players of the quality of KC. Houston was one of the first and see how his team have done since. I think there may be something in it.

[Famous Fiver]

Tom I disagree.

Houston is tom kite and HE takes any opportunity to cover his own inadequacy.

He is a balloon.

[Betty Boop]

https://twitter.com/martinjreilly69/status/820360898745430016

[Big L]

Commons meeting Lawlor tomorrow to discuss a pay off, then he meets with LD & Lennon to discuss a deal. ( good source )

[MWHIBBIES]

Commons meeting Lawlor tomorrow to discuss a pay off, then he meets with LD & Lennon to discuss a deal. ( good source )Jerry Lawlor?

[IWasThere2016]

I'm quite sure that, when a club pays off a player, the total amount paid is greatly reduced, so that the player, over the piece, loses out. Unless of course the new club makes up the total shortfall, which in this case we probably could not or would not choose to do.

The first £30k is treated as severance and is tax-free. Bear in mind KC will be a higher band tax payer also.

[IWasThere2016]

How do you know all this?

I've read on here he's on £12k, £18k and £20k and we're paying him £2k or maybe it's 20%, tell me how does anyone outside of Commons, his agent and Celtic know how much he's paid and how much we're paying towards that sum?

How do you know how much we'll pay him, do you know the ceiling for Hibs wages, is there a ceiling or pure conjecture on your part?

Far to much guess work and horse**** on this thread, Hibs will pay what they think he's worth determined by their budget, this will also be determined by Celtic and if they are happy with what we offer.

If Celtic pay off Commons contract, he may well be happy to come to us for £2k as he's been payed off by Celtic and his full wages whatever they are will be in his bank, so he will not be losing out, if it's a loan again, he'll still get his full wage, partly paid by us.

You'll need to trust me on this. His basic is £12k + app. money


My prediction is Commons will be with us beyond January through to the end of the season.

Wouldn't surprise me though if it isn't sorted out til near the end of the month so might miss next couple of games.

I think we want him, I think he wants to stay but I think Celtic's financial demands may be the stumbling block.
This. Celtc will up the ante - they have seen KC's value to us - hence the £2k a week will rise.

[Big L]

Jerry Lawlor?

Sorry. Lawwell!

[IWasThere2016]

What options do Celtic have? Tell him to beetle off to the midlands or some other place he probably doesn't want to go to, in the hope that they can get a grand or more towards his wages? Or cut their noses off to spite their ugly mugs by keeping him at Parkhead doing sod all for his full contracted wage? I think everything hinges on what Commons wants. He's got them by the short and curlies. £40k is better than a snotter up your nose, think about it Celtic.

Think about it - Celtc can save more than £40k by agreeing a pay-off. Celtc have no interest in Hibs' wishes.

[CMurdoch]

Hibs problem in the last 18 months has been an inability to score goals despite consistently having the lions share of possession. In the games I have watched Commons he has done very little BUT he has won us 6 points with his goals, Vital.

I think Celtic gave him to us on the cheap (£2k/wk) to get him up to speed before the transfer window in the hope that he would do well and either we would be willing to pay say £4K of his wages per week for the rest of the season or another team would.
Celtic will fail in their attempts to punt him to anyone else and towards the end of January it will be announced that he will remain with Hibs to the end of the season.

McGinn, Fyvie and Bartley will do the extra running for Commons and Humphrey until they are up to full speed. 33 year old Kris Commons will continue to make valuable goal and assist contributions for the rest of the season and Hibs will be promoted in April :cb.

P.S. Can anyone comment on how much work Commons put in on the pitch at his peak? (i.e. Has he always been a luxury player)

[scoopyboy]

The first £30k is treated as severance and is tax-free. Bear in mind KC will be a higher band tax payer also.

I know that is the law for redundancy but I'm not sure that would be the case here.

[Billy Whizz]

I know that is the law for redundancy but I'm not sure that would be the case here.

CWG should be able to clear this up

[IWasThere2016]

I know that is the law for redundancy but I'm not sure that would be the case here.

Happens regularly in the game.

[Big L]

Sky news. Hibs meet Celtic tomorrow to discuss Commons.

[Famous Fiver]

Commons meets Celtic tomorrow to discuss Hibs?

[H18 SFR]

Hibs problem in the last 18 months has been an inability to score goals despite consistently having the lions share of possession. In the games I have watched Commons he has done very little BUT he has won us 6 points with his goals, Vital.

I think Celtic gave him to us on the cheap (£2k/wk) to get him up to speed before the transfer window in the hope that he would do well and either we would be willing to pay say £4K of his wages per week for the rest of the season or another team would.
Celtic will fail in their attempts to punt him to anyone else and towards the end of January it will be announced that he will remain with Hibs to the end of the season.

McGinn, Fyvie and Bartley will do the extra running for Commons and Humphrey until they are up to full speed. 33 year old Kris Commons will continue to make valuable goal and assist contributions for the rest of the season and Hibs will be promoted in April :cb.

P.S. Can anyone comment on how much work Commons put in on the pitch at his peak? (i.e. Has he always been a luxury player)

My very good friend is a ST holder at Celtic. In answer to your question, he thinks he was a luxury player in terms of work rate. A very good one though.

[Stubbsyy]

Hibs problem in the last 18 months has been an inability to score goals despite consistently having the lions share of possession. In the games I have watched Commons he has done very little BUT he has won us 6 points with his goals, Vital.

I think Celtic gave him to us on the cheap (£2k/wk) to get him up to speed before the transfer window in the hope that he would do well and either we would be willing to pay say £4K of his wages per week for the rest of the season or another team would.
Celtic will fail in their attempts to punt him to anyone else and towards the end of January it will be announced that he will remain with Hibs to the end of the season.

McGinn, Fyvie and Bartley will do the extra running for Commons and Humphrey until they are up to full speed. 33 year old Kris Commons will continue to make valuable goal and assist contributions for the rest of the season and Hibs will be promoted in April :cb.

P.S. Can anyone comment on how much work Commons put in on the pitch at his peak? (i.e. Has he always been a luxury player)

He's always been a bit of a luxury player (one of the reasons Rodgers doesn't fancy him is because he likes his players to constantly press and he knows Commons won't do this) but what you get from him is great vision, dead balls and he can get you a goal, at every level, from nothing.

He's a great player when fully fit.

[theonlywayisup]

Sky news. Hibs meet Celtic tomorrow to discuss Commons.


Commons meets Celtic tomorrow to discuss Hibs?

So who's right?

[CMurdoch]

My very good friend is a ST holder at Celtic. In answer to your question, he thinks he was a luxury player in terms of work rate. A very good one though.l

Because we have the ball so much he is a luxury we can afford in this league.
Just as we are struggling he has the key to unlock the opposition defence.

[CMurdoch]

He's always been a bit of a luxury player (one of the reasons Rodgers doesn't fancy him is because he likes his players to constantly press and he knows Commons won't do this) but what you get from him is great vision, dead balls and he can get you a goal, at every level, from nothing.

He's a great player when fully fit.

Thanks for that.
He is probably exactly what we have needed.
We are so much better than other teams in the Division but have massively struggled to score goals.
Looks like his teammates will have to get used to him not doing much but making telling contributions when they are huffing and puffing.

[Dashing Bob S]

Commons is a goalscoring midfielder and he has bagged a couple of vital ones for us. Already shown some class and I think his football brain will sharpen up with more games, though whatever speed he had (not much) has gone. So it would be great if he signed for the rest of the season.

If not, it would be great if we got Swanson. Scores goals from midfield and probably has an SPL shelf-life for us next term, unlike KC.

[greenlex]

So who's right?

Commons meets Hibs tomorrow to discuss Celtic.

[Sergey]

Commons is a goalscoring midfielder and he has bagged a couple of vital ones for us. Already shown some class and I think his football brain will sharpen up with more games, though whatever speed he had (not much) has gone. So it would be great if he signed for the rest of the season.

If not, it would be great if we got Swanson. Scores goals from midfield and probably has an SPL shelf-life for us next term, unlike KC.

We're not going to be signing Peter Pawlett - Source - his father.

[Big L]

So who's right?

I got told Commons was meeting Lawwell tomorrow then meeting LD.
The other bit appeared on Sky Sports News. In essence both could be right. Or not ! Just telling what I heard!

[truehibernian]

We're not going to be signing Peter Pawlett - Source - his father.

I wonder if there'll be a knock on effect of us signing Danny and Pawlett going to Saints ? We are 100% wanting Swanson permanent contract.

[Juice-Terry]

I wonder if there'll be a knock on effect of us signing Danny and Pawlett going to Saints ? We are 100% wanting Swanson permanent contract.

How old is Swanson now?

[Golden Bear]

I wonder if there'll be a knock on effect of us signing Danny and Pawlett going to Saints ? We are 100% wanting Swanson permanent contract.

According to Tam Cowan, Danny Swanson will be signing for Motherwell. Believe it if you want.

[truehibernian]

How old is Swanson now?

30 mate. I think he could be our diminutive 'Pat McGinley' and be the 15 goal midfielder we are missing. And he'd give 100% every time he played. If promoted we'll need a goal threat from midfield to be top 6.

[McD]

I wonder if there'll be a knock on effect of us signing Danny and Pawlett going to Saints ? We are 100% wanting Swanson permanent contract.


Thought pawlett was was looking for a move down south due to family ill health?

[trev the hat]

So who's right?

Commons meets Celtic tomorrow to discuss Commons

[Ronniekirk]

According to Tam Cowan, Danny Swanson will be signing for Motherwell. Believe it if you want.

Dont see that happening Winding Cosgrove up more likely

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

He's a great player when fully fit.

Seems to be a great player when not fully fit too.

[HibbySpurs]

I cant help thinking there's a better than good chance that if he can agree a mutual termination with Celtic that we may find a permanent deal I a possibility.

From what I've read/heard it appears that he and his family are very settled in Scotland and it may be the case he or his wife/kids don't want to leave their current home, this being the case it would surely make us big favourites to land him as he almost certainly wouldn't sign for The Rangers....

If a player/coach deal was on the cards this may tempt him as he is getting towards the "twilight" of his playing career and it may be on his mind to start the wheels in motion of a possible managerial career?

This may all be wishful thinking of course and it's purely a "hunch" but I'd love to be right :cb

I'd still think a loan to season end is the most likely outcome however (if we are to keep him at all)

[Springbank]

I cant help thinking there's a better than good chance that if he can agree a mutual termination with Celtic that we may find a permanent deal I a possibility.

From what I've read/heard it appears that he and his family are very settled in Scotland and it may be the case he or his wife/kids don't want to leave their current home, this being the case it would surely make us big favourites to land him as he almost certainly wouldn't sign for The Rangers....

If a player/coach deal was on the cards this may tempt him as he is getting towards the "twilight" of his playing career and it may be on his mind to start the wheels in motion of a possible managerial career?

This may all be wishful thinking of course and it's purely a "hunch" but I'd love to be right :cb

I'd still think a loan to season end is the most likely outcome however (if we are to keep him at all)

He could always sign for The Famous, though, just in time for their end of season party at Starks Park this Sunday.
Cathro Must Stay

[oneone73]

He could always sign for The Famous, though, just in time for their end of season party at Starks Park this Sunday.
Cathro Must Stay

Wish we'd stop perpetuating this Famous boll0cks.

[Billy Whizz]

I wonder if there'll be a knock on effect of us signing Danny and Pawlett going to Saints ? We are 100% wanting Swanson permanent contract.

Heard Saints are after O'Hallaron on loan, who they sold to Rangers last Jan

[GreenOnions]

I know that is the law for redundancy but I'm not sure that would be the case here.

It would not be the case as he would not be made redundant. All of any package agreed would be taxable - unless some is made as an employer pension contribution.

[jacomo]

Wish we'd stop perpetuating this Famous boll0cks.

They deserve to be mocked relentlessly for their hubris and over-inflated sense of importance.

[Greenworld]

It would not be the case as he would not be made redundant. All of any package agreed would be taxable - unless some is made as an employer pension contribution.
A lot of these things are dealt with as a mutually agreeable separation and in that case the first 30k is tax free

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[California-Hibs]

Anyone else keep refreshing this thread in hope? Hoping to hear some good news today!

[Golden Bear]

Anyone else keep refreshing this thread in hope? Hoping to hear some good news today!

California, you're certainly a big fan of KC.

:thumbsup:

[scoopyboy]

Anyone else keep refreshing this thread in hope? Hoping to hear some good news today!

I would be pleasantly surprised if it happened today, I have a hunch it will drag on and on.

[HibbySpurs]

Anyone else keep refreshing this thread in hope? Hoping to hear some good news today!

I keep looking in more in hope than expectation at this point tbh.

[GreenOnions]

A lot of these things are dealt with as a mutually agreeable separation and in that case the first 30k is tax free

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It sounds like maybe you have specific examples in mind. If you do - then I'm sure those examples are correct. I'm not sure how that could be applied though.

The main ways to obtain a lump sum tax-free would be if your job is made redundant (which it clearly is not - as someone else is now doing that job) or via an ex-gratia / non-contractual payment. Any payment "for wages owed" is taxable as HMRC would not agree to forgo tax on income just because someone is receiving it as a lump sum up front.

Maybe there is some ruse that is deployed to get around this but it's strange to think that HMRC would be happy about such a thing.

[Danderhall Hibs]

I would be pleasantly surprised if it happened today, I have a hunch it will drag on and on.

Based on previous deals with Celtic that's what I'd expect as well.

[Billy Whizz]

I would be pleasantly surprised if it happened today, I have a hunch it will drag on and on.

Me too, hope I'm wrong though
The fact that Commons/Lennon have the same agent, who does a lot of work at Celtic should help

[Greenworld]

It sounds like maybe you have specific examples in mind. If you do - then I'm sure those examples are correct. I'm not sure how that could be applied though.

The main ways to obtain a lump sum tax-free would be if your job is made redundant (which it clearly is not - as someone else is now doing that job) or via an ex-gratia / non-contractual payment. Any payment "for wages owed" is taxable as HMRC would not agree to forgo tax on income just because someone is receiving it as a lump sum up front.

Maybe there is some ruse that is deployed to get around this but it's strange to think that HMRC would be happy about such a thing.
I'm no expert that's for sure but seen this done in business and first hand experience of it.
However I understand what your saying perhaps I'm wrong on a football front

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[Geo_1875]

It sounds like maybe you have specific examples in mind. If you do - then I'm sure those examples are correct. I'm not sure how that could be applied though.

The main ways to obtain a lump sum tax-free would be if your job is made redundant (which it clearly is not - as someone else is now doing that job) or via an ex-gratia / non-contractual payment. Any payment "for wages owed" is taxable as HMRC would not agree to forgo tax on income just because someone is receiving it as a lump sum up front.

Maybe there is some ruse that is deployed to get around this but it's strange to think that HMRC would be happy about such a thing.

The club don't hand over cash as balance of wages payable under contract. It's usually termed as a severance payment and treated similarly to redundancy payments.

[GreenOnions]

The club don't hand over cash as balance of wages payable under contract. It's usually termed as a severance payment and treated similarly to redundancy payments.

Interesting - thanks. Must be some kind of established exception to normal rules. Anyway - whatever it is - let's hope KC can arrange something quick and get signed up at ER ☺

[lucky]

It sounds like maybe you have specific examples in mind. If you do - then I'm sure those examples are correct. I'm not sure how that could be applied though.

The main ways to obtain a lump sum tax-free would be if your job is made redundant (which it clearly is not - as someone else is now doing that job) or via an ex-gratia / non-contractual payment. Any payment "for wages owed" is taxable as HMRC would not agree to forgo tax on income just because someone is receiving it as a lump sum up front.

Maybe there is some ruse that is deployed to get around this but it's strange to think that HMRC would be happy about such a thing.

That's not correct, you can leave your job under a compromise agreement and the first £30k is tax free. The compromise agreement generally means your accepting the termination of your contract and that you won't bring a claim against your employer.

[CropleyWasGod]

The latest legal opinion on compromise agreements:-

http://www.gannons.co.uk/employment/employees/compromise-agreements-tax-free-or-not-tax-free/

[GreenOnions]

That's not correct, you can leave your job under a compromise agreement and the first £30k is tax free. The compromise agreement generally means your accepting the termination of your contract and that you won't bring a claim against your employer.

Ah - cheers Lucky. I had not been aware of the "Compromise Agreement" before. You learn a lot on this board sometimes :agree:

[Captain Trips]

My understanding is that if per say he is on 10kpw until contract end he can sit about on that or Celtic offer him say if they both agree to contract ending today we will give you the equivalent of 7k pw as pay off. That is either acceptable or a negotiation will take place.

[houstonhibbee]

My understanding is that if per say he is on 10kpw until contract end he can sit about on that or Celtic offer him say if they both agree to contract ending today we will give you the equivalent of 7k pw as pay off. That is either acceptable or a negotiation will take place.
If Celtic are obligated to honor the contract what advantage is there to the player to accept a reduced settlement? I don't see Celtic standing in his way to staying on loan with Hibs.

[Rangers visitor]

I think you're all getting your knickers in a twist and I understand that. Previously Stubbs' and now Lennon's connections with Celtic have got Hibs good loan arrangements and there's no reason to suggest it won't happen again. Commons will be at Easter Rd. until the end of the season.

[Captain Trips]

If Celtic are obligated to honor the contract what advantage is there to the player to accept a reduced settlement? I don't see Celtic standing in his way to staying on loan with Hibs.

He would accept a reduced settlement in order to sign a contract with a new club as that would make him free agent. As it stands now this is not needed as he is still on Celtics books so regardless of what percentage of wage we pay he is as you say getting paid the same under his contract.

[Oscar T Grouch]

If Celtic are obligated to honor the contract what advantage is there to the player to accept a reduced settlement? I don't see Celtic standing in his way to staying on loan with Hibs.

The player is then free to sign for whomever they want. It suits some players others are happy to sit and get full contract worth I would assume anyways.

[houstonhibbee]

He would accept a reduced settlement in order to sign a contract with a new club as that would make him free agent. As it stands now this is not needed as he is still on Celtics books so regardless of what percentage of wage we pay he is as you say getting paid the same under his contract.
ok so this probably a non issue then

[Killiehibbie]

If Celtic are obligated to honor the contract what advantage is there to the player to accept a reduced settlement? I don't see Celtic standing in his way to staying on loan with Hibs.Say he got the equivalent of £7,000 for the remainder of his contracted weeks then he would be free to sign for another club who might give him £5,000 per week.

[houstonhibbee]

Say he got the equivalent of £7,000 for the remainder of his contracted weeks then he would be free to sign for another club who might give him £5,000 per week.
Not sure if there is much merit in that argument. Why take such a gamble.

[Killiehibbie]

Not sure if there is much merit in that argument. Why take such a gamble.I don't suppose he's strapped for cash and his agent would have a deal lined up before he took the severance package. Must be a few English teams paying more than that for players not as good as him.

[houstonhibbee]

I don't suppose he's strapped for cash and his agent would have a deal lined up before he took the severance package. Must be a few English teams paying more than that for players not as good as him.
Ok yes that makes sense. makes him coming to hibs less likely then.

[houstonhibbee]

Ok yes that makes sense. makes him coming to hibs less likely then.

So KC would want to keep the door open with Hibs in case nothing better was offered hence his positive comments but he also said it may take weeks to sort out which indicates he will spend time trying to get a better deal while Hibs in the meantime will continue to search for an alternative....

[Andy74]

Ok yes that makes sense. makes him coming to hibs less likely then.

The only chat about pay offs is on here - there is no indication that Celtic are looking to pay him off or release him or that Commons is looking to walk away from the rest of his contract.

Celtic got him for next to nothing, got fantastic service form him and are very unlikely to care about what Commons is costing them for the next six months.

[H18 SFR]

The only chat about pay offs is on here - there is no indication that Celtic are looking to pay him off or release him or that Commons is looking to walk away from the rest of his contract.

Celtic got him for next to nothing, got fantastic service form him and are very unlikely to care about what Commons is costing them for the next six months.

They will definitely care. Lawwell is tighter than RP's y-fronts.

[oldbutdim]

They will definitely care. Lawwell is tighter than RP's y-fronts.

Disturbing knowledge there.

[ancient hibee]

The club don't hand over cash as balance of wages payable under contract. It's usually termed as a severance payment and treated similarly to redundancy payments.

The club and player also avoid NHI payments.

Commons will be at Hibs unless he and Celtic get a better offer elsewhere.In which case he won't be.Statement of the bleeding obvious number 250.

[Jim44]

Say he got the equivalent of £7,000 for the remainder of his contracted weeks then he would be free to sign for another club who might give him £5,000 per week.


Not sure if there is much merit in that argument. Why take such a gamble.


I don't suppose he's strapped for cash and his agent would have a deal lined up before he took the severance package. Must be a few English teams paying more than that for players not as good as him.


Ok yes that makes sense. makes him coming to hibs less likely then.


So KC would want to keep the door open with Hibs in case nothing better was offered hence his positive comments but he also said it may take weeks to sort out which indicates he will spend time trying to get a better deal while Hibs in the meantime will continue to search for an alternative....


The only chat about pay offs is on here - there is no indication that Celtic are looking to pay him off or release him or that Commons is looking to walk away from the rest of his contract.

Celtic got him for next to nothing, got fantastic service form him and are very unlikely to care about what Commons is costing them for the next six months.


They will definitely care. Lawwell is tighter than RP's y-fronts.

I've already outlined a similar scenario as Killihibbie, which would make it financially viable for Commons to go south, but something nobody is really considering is Commons' optimal preference. i.e. Would he definitely uproot his family life to go south for around the same money that he could get up here on loan to Hibs ( assuming we and Celtic can reach an agreement)? Yes he could probably get a contract from an English club which ensured decent income after his present contract with Celtic finishes. But, by the same token, it might be in his best interests to play with us till the end of the season, get positive exposure through our successful campaign and then, if desired, look for a decent contract in England next season. I think there is a reasonable chance that he will opt to stay at ER till the end of the season.

[houstonhibbee]

The club and player also avoid NHI payments.

Commons will be at Hibs unless he and Celtic get a better offer elsewhere.In which case he won't be.Statement of the bleeding obvious number 250.
Thats fair but its also in Hibs hands as well as there are other options for Hibs to pursue. Hibs could make celtic an offer with a deadline so they can pursue other options if Celtic/KC decline such offer. So far Hibs have not made any offer if Lennon says no discussions have taken place yet

[mjhibby]

They will definitely care. Lawwell is tighter than RP's y-fronts.

With £30m banked from the champions league efforts I doubt commons wage situation is taxing him too much. It's just us hibbies who are speculating like mad. It makes sense for him to continue with us as Celtic do reduce their outlay and of course we get a top player in this league for £2,000 a week. I suspect Celtic are probably looking for a loan fee as is the popular way of things. What Celtic think is reasonable and what we think is reasonable are two different beasts. Commons I'm sure just wants to be playing and be ready for the end of his contact so he is fully fit which will probably be his last contract he gets while playing.

[ancient hibee]

Thats fair but its also in Hibs hands as well as there are other options for Hibs to pursue. Hibs could make celtic an offer with a deadline so they can pursue other options if Celtic/KC decline such offer. So far Hibs have not made any offer if Lennon says no discussions have taken place yet

Very true but I suspect Hibs are keener to get him rather than to go looking elsewhere.Obviously we don't want to hang on too long for a decision.

[houstonhibbee]

Very true but I suspect Hibs are keener to get him rather than to go looking elsewhere.Obviously we don't want to hang on too long for a decision.
Looks like we're already looking elsewhere. Celtic/KC could run the risk we take up another option if they delay too long

[Aldo]

Heard Saints are after O'Hallaron on loan, who they sold to Rangers last Jan

Desperate to get him off the wage bill! Deemed surplus to requirements!


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[AlbertK86]

Looks like we're already looking elsewhere. Celtic/KC could run the risk we take up another option if they delay too long

New info to this effect ? ... IE looking elsewhere already

[houstonhibbee]

New info to this effect ? ... IE looking elsewhere already

Josh harrop

Danny swanson

[Waxy]

Whatever happens with KC he scored two vital goals. Effectively won us 4pts.

[Billy Whizz]

Desperate to get him off the wage bill! Deemed surplus to requirements!


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Aldo, think also Rangers are due an instalment, maybe don't want to/can't pay it

[Aldo]

Aldo, think also Rangers are due an instalment, maybe don't want to/can't pay it

Your probably right there Billy! I never understood why the bought him and haven't played him. Another player that chased the money and got splinters in his arse!


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[Slim Shady]

Whatever happens with KC he scored two vital goals. Effectively won us 4pts.

6 points

Falkirk game and Dumbarton.

[jacomo]

With £30m banked from the champions league efforts I doubt commons wage situation is taxing him too much. It's just us hibbies who are speculating like mad. It makes sense for him to continue with us as Celtic do reduce their outlay and of course we get a top player in this league for £2,000 a week. I suspect Celtic are probably looking for a loan fee as is the popular way of things. What Celtic think is reasonable and what we think is reasonable are two different beasts. Commons I'm sure just wants to be playing and be ready for the end of his contact so he is fully fit which will probably be his last contract he gets while playing.

I'm not persuaded that Celtc will do us a favour just because they've made good money elsewhere.

As you say, it's all about negotiation now.

[Newcastlehibby]

6 points

Falkirk game and Dumbarton.
4 points. 2 wins vs 2 draws.

[noz]

6 points

Falkirk game and Dumbarton.

its 4pts,think waxys saying that if he hadnt scored then both games wouldve been draws.

[livi hibs 1875]

6 points

Falkirk game and Dumbarton.

If he never scored those two goals we would still have got 2 points so 4 is correct

[3pm]

Your probably right there Billy! I never understood why the bought him and haven't played him. Another player that chased the money and got splinters in his arse!


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I'd take him.

[Aldo]

I'd take him.

What in a fight!! [emoji41] sorry I'll get ma coat.

Not sure I would! Maybe him going to Oerth would hasten the release of Swanson??


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[Waxy]

6 points

Falkirk game and Dumbarton.

Yes 4pts. He turned two draws into two wins.

[3pm]

What in a fight!! [emoji41] sorry I'll get ma coat.

Not sure I would! Maybe him going to Oerth would hasten the release of Swanson??


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:greengrin

Maybe mate, what's the latest with Swanson?

[AlbertK86]

Josh harrop Danny swanson

Cheers mate .... Just read Evening News article about Harrop.

Swanson would be good

[Aldo]

:greengrin Maybe mate, what's the latest with Swanson?

Not sure!

Not 'ITK' but think a nominal fee will be required to get his services should St Johnstone decide to let him go. Suspect this will depend on if the get someone else in to replace him. Possibly O'Halloran!

[Colr]

Cheers mate .... Just read Evening News article about Harrop.

Swanson would be good

I think Commons experience would be WAY more important in the run up. I would have him over some pe]remixer like newbie who'll not be able to handle the more industrial side of the game and may well have his head up his arse with the money he's making at Man U. We've had a few like that over the years and they've not really done much for us.

I recall the influence Murdo had on the team in the early 90s. We could do with something similar now.

[neil7908]

Given our next opponent is a non-league team we don't need to rush into anything with Commons. I'd love to hear news this week but there is no rush.

[houstonhibbee]

Given our next opponent is a non-league team we don't need to rush into anything with Commons. I'd love to hear news this week but there is no rush.
evening news indicating he's probably outwith our budget...............

[Iggy Pope]

Aldo, think also Rangers are due an instalment, maybe don't want to/can't pay it

News like this would be lovely.....rooked to the very core again and in so many ways, and in a comparatively short space of time given their "quintessential Britishness"
I'd like to be rubbing that wee **** Alex MacDonald's nose in hot poop like this.

[Nicho87]

On twitter commons linked with short term deal to blackburn rovers

[Rangers visitor]

if he was going anywhere else Commons would never have went to Hibs in November ?....calm your jets

[Heisenberg]

On twitter commons linked with short term deal to blackburn rovers

Rumour seems to have been started by a fake Agent Scotland twitter account. I don't see him leaving Scotland tbh. He'll stay where he is or come back to us on loan.

[houstonhibbee]

if he was going anywhere else Commons would never have went to Hibs in November ?....calm your jets
gone to hibs

[ian cruise]

Cheers mate .... Just read Evening News article about Harrop.

Swanson would be good

I'm really worried Swanson would be a disappointment. He's going through a wee purple patch career wise but he's blown hot and cold as he's struggled with injures, etc, at points in the past. We signed a goal scoring midfielder from saints before and he was vilified by our support, well certain sections, and there's additional pressure on Danny coming in as a fan, who has played for our rivals and has been consistently linked with us.

It would be great if he did come in and hit the ground running, few would be happier that I would be for the lad, but if he doesn't I fear support would turn quickly. Feels like a signing that would have been made in the pre-Leeann days, though you could argue about David Gray, who was consistently linked with us too!

I think I may have countered my own argument...

[truehibernian]

On twitter commons linked with short term deal to blackburn rovers

Kris happy at Hibs - tick
Hibs what him - tick
Wife and kids don't want to leave Scotland - tick
Players and manager hinting it's on - tick

Don't worry

[houstonhibbee]

Kris happy at Hibs - tick
Hibs what him - tick
Wife and kids don't want to leave Scotland - tick
Players and manager hinting it's on - tick

Don't worry
what about the rumors that hibs are saying they can't afford him? If all the boxes are checked why's it not a done deal?

[truehibernian]

what about the rumors that hibs are saying they can't afford him? If all the boxes are checked why's it not a done deal?

He would have been at Hibs prior to the emergency loan but failed to happen. My prediction is it will go to the end of the window, and whilst not hinging on it, Celtic will happily pay him off after VVD is sold in the EPL, giving Celtic a huge uplift in fee.

Hence I'm chilled - Commons will be a Hibs player by the end of January.

[houstonhibbee]

He would have been at Hibs prior to the emergency loan but failed to happen. My prediction is it will go to the end of the window, and whilst not hinging on it, Celtic will happily pay him off after VVD is sold in the EPL, giving Celtic a huge uplift in fee.

Hence I'm chilled - Commons will be a Hibs player by the end of January.
But why would Hibs risk waiting until the 11th hour to know if they are getting their man? Surely they need to know they have all the ammunition in place as soon as possible and before it's too late?

[Brightside]

chill

[truehibernian]

But why would Hibs risk waiting until the 11th hour to know if they are getting their man? Surely they need to know they have all the ammunition in place as soon as possible and before it's too late?

Because it's two weeks left in the window, we've a game against a Junior side and we've a strong squad ?

[houstonhibbee]

Because it's two weeks left in the window, we've a game against a Junior side and we've a strong squad ?
so if we hold off on other options waiting on Commons and it doesn't materialize you will be content

[truehibernian]

so if we hold off on other options waiting on Commons and it doesn't materialize you will be content

I'm content because he'll be at Hibs - whether this week, next week, or Feb - he'll be a Hibs player.

[houstonhibbee]

I'm content because he'll be at Hibs - whether this week, next week, or Feb - he'll be a Hibs player.
If it was as cut and dried as you make out it wouldn't drag on for weeks.....

[truehibernian]

If it was as cut and dried as you make out it wouldn't drag on for weeks.....

We'll see

[truehibernian]

If it was as cut and dried as you make out it wouldn't drag on for weeks.....

I'd be more worried if we were signing 37 year old centre halfs losing two integral players to the African Nations - and pondering Christophe Berra !

[houstonhibbee]

We'll see
I would like to see Hibs make their best offer and if it is not accepted move on and maximize what remains of the window to help strengthen the squad to help us get promotion.

[HoboHarry]

I would like to see Hibs make their best offer and if it is not accepted move on and maximize what remains of the window to help strengthen the squad to help us get promotion.
What else would you expect them to do? Bit of stating the obvious there.....

[CMurdoch]

I'm really worried Swanson would be a disappointment. He's going through a wee purple patch career wise but he's blown hot and cold as he's struggled with injures, etc, at points in the past.


I share your worries Ian. Don't think the purple patch would continue if Danny came to Hibs.

[houstonhibbee]

What else would you expect them to do? Bit of stating the obvious there.....
It seems to be suggested that it will drag out until the end of the month. Im glad you agree that's not in Hibs interests

[CMurdoch]

On twitter commons linked with short term deal to blackburn rovers

No chance.
Nothing in it for Commons financially.

At the moment he strolls about in a Hibs side which is way better than all the other teams in the league.
Even better others do his running and he scores a goal here and there and sets up a few for others.
Kris is happy and the Hibees are happy.

A strolling Kris in a struggling Blackburn side would not be good for either party.

Commons to Hibs a few days before the next league game. Hibs pay Celtic £4K per week. Everyone happy again

[truehibernian]

I share your worries Ian. Don't think the purple patch would continue if Danny came to Hibs.

Are you serious ? He's in the form of his career !!

[truehibernian]

It seems to be suggested that it will drag out until the end of the month. Im glad you agree that's not in Hibs interests

We've a squad MORE than capable to see off Rose and QotS before KC and others join - no rush whatsoever

[CMurdoch]

Are you serious ? He's in the form of his career !!

He is but wingers are temperamental and fragile creatures.

[truehibernian]

He is but wingers are temperamental and fragile creatures.

He's not a winger and Saints have been playing him just off the striker and centrally all season.

[CMurdoch]

Are you serious ? He's in the form of his career !!

I would sign him on a contract until the end of the 2018/19 season and expect him to play 25-30 games a season.

[HoboHarry]

It seems to be suggested that it will drag out until the end of the month. Im glad you agree that's not in Hibs interests
If you get tired at any time of going over and over the same subject, there is an excellent Indian eatery just north of downtown Houston you might visit - seems like you need to get outside for a while........

http://www.namasteir.com/

[truehibernian]

If you get tired at any time of going over and over the same subject, there is an excellent Indian eatery just north of downtown Houston you might visit - seems like you need to get outside for a while........

http://www.namasteir.com/

He should be more worried about his team signing Berra harry

[greenlex]

It seems to be suggested that it will drag out until the end of the month. Im glad you agree that's not in Hibs interests

Depends what we are going to be paying him. Hibs save a couple of weeks wages by waiting till the end of the window. Might even bung that saving to Commons by way of a signing in fee.

[houstonhibbee]

If you get tired at any time of going over and over the same subject, there is an excellent Indian eatery just north of downtown Houston you might visit - seems like you need to get outside for a while........

http://www.namasteir.com/
Thanks. That's actually only 10 minutes from where I live.

[WeeRussell]

I'd be more worried if we were signing 37 year old centre halfs losing two integral players to the African Nations - and pondering Christophe Berra !

Somewhat off topic and irrelevant but... my understanding is there's no pondering to be done and it's been a done deal for some time between Mr Berra and that lot.

[Tom Hart RIP]

Though mick McCarthy said no chance of Berra leaving?

[Hermit Crab]

chill


Thats good enough for me.

[Rugy07]

Somewhat off topic and irrelevant but... my understanding is there's no pondering to be done and it's been a done deal for some time between Mr Berra and that lot.

I think the only done deal is with Ipswich. Mick McCarthy says it's all nonsense and that they're planning on extending his contract for another year which they have the option to do. The earliest he could leave would be summer 2018.

[dp00]

Commons back training at Celtic today when you look at there snap chat ... you'd think if he was staying he would be training with us ?


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[JimBHibees]

Commons back training at Celtic today when you look at there snap chat ... you'd think if he was staying he would be training with us ?


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Technically a Celtic player.

[dp00]

Technically a Celtic player.

True but it points to nothing being agreed yet


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[JimBHibees]

True but it points to nothing being agreed yet


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Which no doubt is the case until signed.

[Jim44]

To some extent, it's probably in each club's interest to leave it to the last minute. Hibs will save a few grand in wages for a couple of weeks and Celtic will use the time to seek out a better deal with another club (that is if Commons is interested ). One club will lose out. We will have lost our man or Celtic will have lost contribution to Commons' wages. One thing is almost certain ............. Commons won't be at Parkhead, twiddling his thumbs for the rest of the season.

[Brightside]

Commons back training at Celtic today when you look at there snap chat ... you'd think if he was staying he would be training with us ?


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no he wouldn't. until the paper is signed he stays at celtic.

[Thecat23]

no he wouldn't. until the paper is signed he stays at celtic.

Correct.

[silverhibee]

No chance.
Nothing in it for Commons financially.

At the moment he strolls about in a Hibs side which is way better than all the other teams in the league.
Even better others do his running and he scores a goal here and there and sets up a few for others.
Kris is happy and the Hibees are happy.

A strolling Kris in a struggling Blackburn side would not be good for either party.

Commons to Hibs a few days before the next league game. Hibs pay Celtic £4K per week. Everyone happy again

Really, no chance Hibs will be paying anything near that.

[bingo70]

Thats good enough for me.

Nah, I don't think for a second anything has been agreed, there's too many possible outcomes so discussions are clearly still a work in progress.

I don't think anybody knows what's going to happen at this stage, including Neil Lennon, Kris Commons, his agent, Petrie, Dempster, anyone at Celtic and certainly not anybody on here.

He might sign, he might not but anyone claiming to have inside info is making an educated guess and hoping for the best IMO.

[CRAZYHIBBY]

I was talking to chris earlier and he reckons its a done deal

[CMurdoch]

Really, no chance Hibs will be paying anything near that.

It wouldn't be that expensive.
If he signs up towards the end of the month that would only be £4k x 18 = £72k
If Lennon sees him as his insurance for promotion £72k won't put Hibs off

[Newcastlehibby]

I was talking to chris earlier and he reckons its a done deal
Chris who?

[Hibbyradge]

Chris who?

Sutton.

He's pally with Kris Commons.

[Newcastlehibby]

Sutton.

He's pally with Kris Commons.


:greengrin

[Captain Trips]

Sutton.

He's pally with Kris Commons.

Hold on a minute here, Chris Sutton has a pal?

[Waxy]

Hold on a minute here, Chris Sutton has a pal?

Is that uncommons?

[Bay Area Hibees]

Is that uncommons?

Oofftttt
:)

[The Leith Dutch]

Let's all think of the benefit to Hibs!

Common's two away goals have won us six points.

The benefit of his experience and,hopefully, further goals will get us
out of this league as Champions and another great run in the Cup.

Any deal to make sure that he can play against Celtic in the Cup final! :greengrin

Get the deal done, pronto!!

I'd much rather beat The Rangers in the cup final again :greengrin

[CRAZYHIBBY]

Chris who?

Hes just a guy from the pub......he says put your mortgage on it

[thebausburst]

rumours on social media of deal done by MK Dons for Commons 😔

[Oscar T Grouch]

rumours on social media of deal done by MK Dons for Commons 😔

From what I've read on their forums (TCR MKDonsMad), its a rumour started by a Celtc fan but nothing coming out from MKDs about it. Neilson obviously knows about commons but whether he is after him just now is unclear. Couple of fans reckon he'd be a good signing albeit a bit small. Think it is nothing more than wild speculation. They also have noted that he wants to stay with Hibs for the rest of the season, possibly from the Sky interview, but no link on that post.

[Ronniekirk]

rumours on social media of deal done by MK Dons for Commons 😔

Rumours are just that I think if a deal can be struck to keep him st Hibs till end of the Season he would be happy with that But he cant sit about and hope that happens so any substantial intetest in him will have to be considered as he isnt going to play regular football at Celtic , and the last five games wil have given him the appetite for this .with the crowds we are getting , and about to start defence of Scottish Cup , and sitting top of the League i would think when you take money out the equation he will want to stay so Celtic hold the cards in terms of what they can do to give him decent pay off to end hs contract

[RoxburghHibs]

Rumours are just that I think if a deal can be struck to keep him st Hibs till end of the Season he would be happy with that But he cant sit about and hope that happens so any substantial intetest in him will have to be considered as he isnt going to play regular football at Celtic , and the last five games wil have given him the appetite for this .with the crowds we are getting , and about to start defence of Scottish Cup , and sitting top of the League i would think when you take money out the equation he will want to stay so Celtic hold the cards in terms of what they can do to give him decent pay off to end hs contract

Agreed :agree:

Although I nearly collapsed, after reading this post, as no chance to breathe. :wink:

[ian cruise]

rumours on social media of deal done by MK Dons for Commons 😔

A done deal for Commons, I've heard that before somewhere :wink:

No point fretting over speculation, just have to wait and see. Hibs will do the best they can to get him in, of that I'm sure. If it doesn't happen and he goes elsewhere then it doesn't happen.

[where'stheslope]

Its always a problem when you take a player on loan and he plays well and fits in.
Now the ball is firmly in Celtics control, they know we want him and he's a good fit in the team, so we have to talk money.
If he's that good, Celtic will want a good pay out and get him off their books so another player can come in for them.

[xyz23jc]

Hold on a minute here, Chris Sutton has a pal?

Aye! Derek Johnstone! :greengrin:offski::tumble::duck:

[Mikey09]

I can't see Commons moving down south. His family will dictate where he goes and for me that will be Hibs. He will be with us till the end of the season.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

https://youtu.be/8Qu7s-Wox0M

[Famous Fiver]

Speculation.

If Commons plays against Albion Rovers in the Cup at the weekend it means

a) he can't play for three teams in a season
b) the only club he could play for apart from Celtic is us
c) but he would be cup tied and not available for potential Hampden heroics.

Will be interesting to see if Celtic list him, or indeed, Henderson, Mackay-Stevens or Christie, on Sunday because if any of them come to us they would be cup tied.

[CRAZYHIBBY]

Back in training with celtics first team......stevie may might be coming though

[Scott Allan Key]

Back in training with celtics first team......stevie may might be coming though

May for which team? Us?

[CRAZYHIBBY]

May for which team? Us?

Obviously

[Frazerbob]

Speculation.

If Commons plays against Albion Rovers in the Cup at the weekend it means

a) he can't play for three teams in a season
b) the only club he could play for apart from Celtic is us
c) but he would be cup tied and not available for potential Hampden heroics.

Will be interesting to see if Celtic list him, or indeed, Henderson, Mackay-Stevens or Christie, on Sunday because if any of them come to us they would be cup tied.

Not a chance KC will play for Celtic this weekend.

[Betty Boop]

Aberdeen now interested apparently.

[Craig_in_Prague]

Aberdeen now interested apparently.

nice and close to Glasgow, that'll suit the family.

[snooky]

Back in training with celtics first team......stevie may might be coming though

Okay, I'll say it ....May-bees aye, May-bees no' :rolleyes:

[CMurdoch]

May for which team? Us?

The BBC are reporting that Aberdeen are interested in taking May on loan.

[Stokesy's on fire]

Aberdeen now interested apparently.

No chance would he sign for a club like that

[BH Hibs]

Rodgers on Sky Sports saying Hibs want Commons but KC will have to think about it. Didn't mention any other clubs or being opposed to the move.

[CMurdoch]

Aberdeen now interested apparently.

No chance, they would want him to graft.
At 33 and 85% fitness he wouldn't be a good fit for them.

[snooky]

No chance, they would want him to graft.
At 33 and 85% fitness he wouldn't be a good fit for them.
Fitless then? :cb

[CMurdoch]

Fitless then? :cb

:top marks:greengrin

[adhibs]

Rodgers on Sky Sports saying Hibs want Commons but KC will have to think about it. Didn't mention any other clubs or being opposed to the move.

Sounds like its all down to him accepting a reduced pay off from celtic.

[HoboHarry]

NL still thinks we are in the hunt.....

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/teams/hibernian/neil-lennon-wants-to-recreate-the-winning-feeling-with-hibs-1-4343698

[Andy JR]

From this interview it sounds like Hibs have made an offer and are waiting for Commons to make a decision. Speculation though...

https://stv.tv/sport/football/1378506-kieran-tierney-links-with-english-giants-doesn-t-worry-celtic-boss/?utm_content=buffer5f3e6&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

[Andy74]

No chance, they would want him to graft.
At 33 and 85% fitness he wouldn't be a good fit for them.

Sorry, are you saying there isn't an expectation for Hibs players to work hard?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

The BBC are reporting that Aberdeen are interested in taking May on loan.

Theresa can go as far as I'm concerbed

[CMurdoch]

Sorry, are you saying there isn't an expectation for Hibs players to work hard?

Hibs have so much possession in this league that they can afford the luxury of an 85% fit Commons strolling about and contributing the fairy dust when we need it.

[Heisenberg]

From this interview it sounds like Hibs have made an offer and are waiting for Commons to make a decision. Speculation though...

https://stv.tv/sport/football/1378506-kieran-tierney-links-with-english-giants-doesn-t-worry-celtic-boss/?utm_content=buffer5f3e6&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Yeah sounds like it's down to Commons.

[CMurdoch]

From this interview it sounds like Hibs have made an offer and are waiting for Commons to make a decision. Speculation though...

https://stv.tv/sport/football/1378506-kieran-tierney-links-with-english-giants-doesn-t-worry-celtic-boss/?utm_content=buffer5f3e6&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Just the usual answering a question but not saying anything significant, tedious for Rodgers and pointless.

[Jim44]

Sounds like its all down to him accepting a reduced pay off from celtic.

Assuming you're correct, the scenario must be along the following assumptions:

Commons salary is around £12k per week.
Hibs want to / can only afford £2k per week.
Celtic say they will only pay £8k if he is on loan.
So Commons has to accept a £2k drop if he comes back to us.
Commons want's full whack so stays at Parkhead.

If that's reasonably near the facts, Hibs stick out for £2k contribution and hope that Celtic will back down or at least come to a compromise in order to get at least some contribution to Commons' wage, or he accepts a compromise. :dunno:

[2016 Delivered]

Sounds promising on commons and on a perm too.