Neil Lennon

[emerald green]

His indifference to the club?? Where you getting that from?

Post cup feel good factor is alive and kicking with me.

It might be with you, but I don't think that's the same for quite a lot of supporters now.

I overheard one bloke speaking to his mate walking down the road after the game. His words were "I'm not f****** renewing my season ticket if we're still in this league next season".

[IWasThere2016]

It might be with you, but I don't think that's the same for quite a lot of supporters now.

I overheard one bloke speaking to his mate walking down the road after the game. His words were "I'm not f****** renewing my season ticket if we're still in this league next season".


I think STs will half if Hibs don't go up.

[Canon Hannan]

I think STs will half if Hibs don't go up.

I think they will double if we go up 😂👍

[lord bunberry]

I am one who has always said back the team and not to get on their backs but now I'm sick of the players not doing their jobs.

This is Hibs we are talking about and we have a squad that should be good enough to blow at least some teams away in this league. Some players have simply had to many chances and need binned. If they can't perform at this level then I don't want them here it's simple as that.

Maybe we are signing players who think it's a stroll guys with experience like Commons Holt and Shinnie when really guys from teams like
Falkirk, Etc could do it better?

I've no idea the soloution but it's time something changed on the park because enough is enough. Team needs to Man the **** up and start being ruthless.
The buck has to stop with the manager, it's as simple as that. He needs to sign well and get the most out of what he's already got. I don't have much confidence in Lennon, but we can't sack him at this stage. We need to hope he has it in him to drag this team over the line. The players need to step up to the mark and help Lennon out, but they will be here after Lennon has gone and turning on them won't help things. The signs are worrying, but not yet at crisis levels.

[emerald green]

I think STs will half if Hibs don't go up.

I agree. They will inevitably reduce by a considerable number. There sure wont be a crowd of 15,400 the next time we play Raith Rovers if Hibs are still in the Championship for a fourth season.

It's just unthinkable, but the manager and players are now finding themselves under increasing pressure due to the same failings that have existed at the club for several seasons.

I don't know what the answer is to players keeping missing sitters & get suckered at the other end. Today was just so predictable when the teams went in at HT at 0-0 instead of maybe 2-0 or 3-0 maybe. Very wasteful in front of goal, then you can expect to get punished, and so it happened. Yet again.

[Hermit Crab]

If we lose to Dundee Utd the pressure on him will mount.

What about Falkirk first? If we lose next week and united win the gap is 5 points. The if we lose to united the following week and the gap is 8 points, not forgetting Falkirk would close the gap behind us in the process. Pressure on him now to win at Falkirk.

[cabbageandribs1875]

I think they will double if we go up 😂👍



so we're filling in the corners then ? how could nearly 23,000 fit in :hmmm:

[Canon Hannan]

What about Falkirk first? If we lose next week and united win the gap is 5 point. The if we lose to united and the gap is 8 points, not forgetting Falkirk would close the gap behind us in the process. Pressure on him now to win at Falkirk.

plenty time

[Canon Hannan]

so we're filling in the corners then ? how could nearly 23,000 fit in :hmmm:

😂 Is the clue

[Hermit Crab]

Just sack the manager now then?
Next manager needs to win the league? If not sack them again?!
Sack sack sack.
Christmas sack.

I never said that nor am I suggesting that! I was making the point to that we have falkirk to play before utd.

[Canon Hannan]

I never said that nor am I suggesting that! I was making the point to that we have falkirk to play before utd.

Apologies. Getting pizzed off with negativity on here. Not you mate 🙏

[emerald green]

Apologies. Getting pizzed off with negativity on here. Not you mate 🙏

Do you expect everyone to share your views? If they don't, you use the stock phrase - "negativity".

Maybe we should all have done the conga and danced out of ER this afternoon after watching that rubbish? Having failed to beat a club which hasn't won a league match at ER against Hibs since 1995? In such a crucial and important fixture for the club.

[Canon Hannan]

Do you expect everyone to share your views? If they don't, you use the stock phrase - "negativity".

Maybe we should all have done the conga and danced out of ER this afternoon after watching that rubbish? Having failed to beat a club which hasn't won a league match at ER against Hibs since 1995? In such a crucial and important fixture for the club.

No I don't.
Like you should not expect everyone to agree with you. It's opinions.

[Iain G]

Apologies. Getting pizzed off with negativity on here. Not you mate 🙏

Hard not to feel deflated after watching Hibs huff and puff today in a perfect recreation of the last several years, only positive is under Butcher or Stubbs we would have lost all three point today, but we have hardly moved forward under Lennon on that evidence.

[fulshie]

No negativity from me just a truthful analysis of how I saw the game. We started the game well and should have been 2 up before the 20 minute mark but, then Raith, as is happens with a lot of teams that camp themselves in, grew with confidence and from then on we struggled to break them down. We need to get that early goal and if so we will kill teams off. As for Lennon, I will keep the faith but cant help feeling he's slow but surely ruining a good squad that was built by Stubbs (even without Stokes and Henderson). In saying that he has been unlucky with injuries to Fyvie and SJM. We'll see what the Jan window brings. I have to give a mention to Raith's two centre halfs, the boy with the dyed blonde hair and the big black guy were immense today and if Lennon needs a lesson in desire then look no further than these two today. In saying all this we should have won the game. I now look forward to the Falkirk game and firmly believe we can win it.

[emerald green]

No I don't.
Like you should not expect everyone to agree with you. It's opinions.

I don't expect everyone to agree with me. When did I ever say that?

What I don't do though is say that those who post opinions I don't like are being "negative".

Your comments, which you are perfectly entitled to, are not "positive" IMO. They seem more like head in the sand to me. But that's just my opinion.

[Nakedmanoncrack]

Hard not to feel deflated after watching Hibs huff and puff today in a perfect recreation of the last several years, only positive is under Butcher or Stubbs we would have lost all three point today, but we have hardly moved forward under Lennon on that evidence.

We haven't moved forward - we have clearly moved back, there's no logical argument to suggest otherwise. Reality is we've been a poor team who were miles off the pace both the last 2 seasons, have lost some of our better players - Allan, Malonga, Stokes, Henderson, and replaced them with clearly inferior players so it shouldnt really surprise. I naively thought we'd brought in a better manager who could get more from the lesser talents available- looks like I was wrong.

[Ricky Bobby]

No negativity from me just a truthful analysis of how I saw the game. We started the game well and should have been 2 up before the 20 minute mark but, then Raith, as is happens with a lot of teams that camp themselves in, grew with confidence and from then on we struggled to break them down. We need to get that early goal and if so we will kill teams off. As for Lennon, I will keep the faith but cant help feeling he's slow but surely ruining a good squad that was built by Stubbs (even without Stokes and Henderson). In saying that he has been unlucky with injuries to Fyvie and SJM. We'll see what the Jan window brings. I have to give a mention to Raith's two centre halfs, the boy with the dyed blonde hair and the big black guy were immense today and if Lennon needs a lesson in desire then look no further than these two today. In saying all this we should have won the game. I now look forward to the Falkirk game and firmly believe we can win it.

Agree about their two centre backs, but not one of our players showed the same desire as these two. Sick of the same excuses week after week.
Lennon was never the right man for the job, He has treated the club with contempt from minute one.

[Captain Trips]

Players need to step up big time, ****ing sick of dominating and doing FA with it.

[PompeyHibs]

65% possession all boring stuff

Pass pass pass pass pass pass pass pass ZzzzzzzzZzz pass pass pass no pace pass pass pass pass shot fi 30 yards zzzzzzzz

[Peanut Shaz]

Interesting you mention Lennon's indifference. That has been my feeling about him as well. Maybe harsh but I just don't get the feeling that he really either wants to be here ir is he enjoying it. Hope I'm wrong

Agreed. Also,No empathy with the fans at all.

[ancient hibee]

No negativity from me just a truthful analysis of how I saw the game. We started the game well and should have been 2 up before the 20 minute mark but, then Raith, as is happens with a lot of teams that camp themselves in, grew with confidence and from then on we struggled to break them down. We need to get that early goal and if so we will kill teams off. As for Lennon, I will keep the faith but cant help feeling he's slow but surely ruining a good squad that was built by Stubbs (even without Stokes and Henderson). In saying that he has been unlucky with injuries to Fyvie and SJM. We'll see what the Jan window brings. I have to give a mention to Raith's two centre halfs, the boy with the dyed blonde hair and the big black guy were immense today and if Lennon needs a lesson in desire then look no further than these two today. In saying all this we should have won the game. I now look forward to the Falkirk game and firmly believe we can win it.
Stubbs won the cup and we will always be grateful for that but the fact is we finished second in the league and then third.To me that doesn't show much in the way of squad building.

[fulshie]

Stubbs won the cup and we will always be grateful for that but the fact is we finished second in the league and then third.To me that doesn't show much in the way of squad building.Yes agree finishing 2nd then 3rd isn't too great but, look at the results Stubbs had playing SPFL teams in the cup games, Hearts, St Johnstone, Aberdeen, Dundee Utd, Inverness. Do you really believe that the way we're playing we would beat this amount of SPFL teams now? I hate to say it but, I think we would struggle big time in the SPFL the way we're playing just now however, like I say, I will keep the faith as always and hope that Lennon can get us playing better.

[Greenwich_Hibby]

Hindsight's a great thing but I always felt we looked too far ahead in our first season down - Stubbs would have been ideal in the SPL. We should have taken the short-term approach to get us up, then build a longer-term approach after that. We got Stubbs too soon unfortunately. I still recall GJP saying he had to build 2 teams - one to get up, another to stay up. Maybe we should have gone with a short term manager purely to get us up, then built from there.

Not sure we've got it right at the moment tbh - maybe NL is the 'short-term' after which we'll review and look to move on longer term with someone else?

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Yes agree finishing 2nd then 3rd isn't too great but, look at the results Stubbs had playing SPFL teams in the cup games, Hearts, St Johnstone, Aberdeen, Dundee Utd, Inverness. Do you really believe that the way we're playing we would beat this amount of SPFL teams now? I hate to say it but, I think we would struggle big time in the SPFL the way we're playing just now however, like I say, I will keep the faith as always and hope that Lennon can get us playing better.

What Stubbs did last season is I believe unprecedented for a championship club or equivalent. And whilst fighting on 3 fronts possibly and untimely injuries undid us - and although the Holy Grail was bagged in the process - the revenues generated were probably vital to us this year.

[Onion]

Stubbs won the cup and we will always be grateful for that but the fact is we finished second in the league and then third.To me that doesn't show much in the way of squad building.

Stubbs inherited a mess, had to build the entire squad from nothing and took us deep into the League and Scottish Cups (both seasons) in his first managerial job.

Lennon inherited a decent squad with great morale, has had a free run the league without any cup distractions or having to contend with the Yams / Sevco. And we sit in 2nd place to the relegated team.

Lennon needs to get the finger out.

[Big L]

If we didn't already know, it's shown us just how important McGinn & Fyvie are to the team. Same last year when we went on that bad run, soon as Fyvie came back we started to win again. What annoys me about the McGinn situ is that Lennon knew he would need an op and should have had a plan in place. It seemed to come as a surprise to him just before we played dun Utd. He's been trying to find a system ever since. He then goes cap in hand for Commons, who, IMO has shown nowt! He should have had Scott Martin and Crane in right away. I have serious doubts about letting him spend anymore cash, his signings with the exception of Marciano, who has had very little to do, have been really poor. If he loses the next 2 games he should do the decent thing and F.O.

[Marco G]

If we didn't already know, it's shown us just how important McGinn & Fyvie are to the team. Same last year when we went on that bad run, soon as Fyvie came back we started to win again. What annoys me about the McGinn situ is that Lennon knew he would need an op and should have had a plan in place. It seemed to come as a surprise to him just before we played dun Utd. He's been trying to find a system ever since. He then goes cap in hand for Commons, who, IMO has shown nowt! He should have had Scott Martin and Crane in right away. I have serious doubts about letting him spend anymore cash, his signings with the exception of Marciano, who has had very little to do, have been really poor. If he loses the next 2 games he should do the decent thing and F.O.
McGinn might have been able to keep going, but only he knew when he had to quit; no way did Lennon know when he might need the op. When it had to be done he was right in and had it done. Soon will be back for 2nd half of season.
Signings have been solid. Marciano is a top class keeper where we had problems before. Laidlaw is secure backup. Holt is doing a great job as target man. Graham is a goal scorer. Shinnie has added a lot. Commons will cover till Fyvie and McGinn are back. Eardley was there if needed.
In January I am confident we will strengthen ready for the crunch times.

[stantonhibby]

If we didn't already know, it's shown us just how important McGinn & Fyvie are to the team. Same last year when we went on that bad run, soon as Fyvie came back we started to win again. What annoys me about the McGinn situ is that Lennon knew he would need an op and should have had a plan in place. It seemed to come as a surprise to him just before we played dun Utd. He's been trying to find a system ever since. He then goes cap in hand for Commons, who, IMO has shown nowt! He should have had Scott Martin and Crane in right away. I have serious doubts about letting him spend anymore cash, his signings with the exception of Marciano, who has had very little to do, have been really poor. If he loses the next 2 games he should do the decent thing and F.O.

Classy

[pacorosssco]

Yes agree finishing 2nd then 3rd isn't too great but, look at the results Stubbs had playing SPFL teams in the cup games, Hearts, St Johnstone, Aberdeen, Dundee Utd, Inverness. Do you really believe that the way we're playing we would beat this amount of SPFL teams now? I hate to say it but, I think we would struggle big time in the SPFL the way we're playing just now however, like I say, I will keep the faith as always and hope that Lennon can get us playing better.

Stubbs was still learning and signed well. Biggest mistake was burnt team out with same players given full 90 most season. Took till end season to know when best to change it up. Games v Falkirk typical Hibs but if ref up to job would have gone up but prob at expense cup. I think current form we would not get results we got v top flight teams last season. Lennon 6 months in has job on his hands.

[J-C]

Stubbs was still learning and signed well. Biggest mistake was burnt team out with same players given full 90 most season. Took till end season to know when best to change it up. Games v Falkirk typical Hibs but if ref up to job would have gone up but prob at expense cup. I think current form we would not get results we got v top flight teams last season. Lennon 6 months in has job on his hands.

I've read a few of your posts now and I really hope you type in this pigeon English way because you are foreign, if not your grasp of the English language is horrendous.

[mjhibby]

What Stubbs did last season is I believe unprecedented for a championship club or equivalent. And whilst fighting on 3 fronts possibly and untimely injuries undid us - and although the Holy Grail was bagged in the process - the revenues generated were probably vital to us this year.

Indeed the revenue has been vital. In the two years in the championship we have lost £600,000 which is less that Kilmarnock lost last season and half what Hertz lost when in the championship for one season. Bizarrely the championship hasn't hurt us any worse than being in the SPL. I think the timing of Stubbs departure and appointment of Lennon plus the early start v Malmo didn't help and the squad is much weaker imho than last season. We are minus stokes,henderson etc and now injuries have hit us big time. I don't think Lennon is the issue as such just a combination of factors. We clearly are in a battle with utd for the top spot and have to recognise this. We do need a couple of quality signings to get us over the line and I hope we aren't thinking what if if we end up in the dreaded playoff. I know it's a difficult balancing act in money v players on the pitch but the cost of not going up vouple be much greater than getting a couple of quality players.

[mjhibby]

Also the cup win has given even us a massive shot in the arm attendance wise and hopefully we do go up with the likelyhood of 12,000 season ticket holders and probably our highest attendance figures for decades.

[SkintHibby]

The most worrying thing I've heard from Lennon recently is that he has stated that only one or two players will be brought in in the transfer window.

Now unless these two players are of the quality of Sauzee or Latapy (which they most certainly wont be) then we are in big trouble in my opinion.

[scoopyboy]

The most worrying thing I've heard from Lennon recently is that he has stated that only one or two players will be brought in in the transfer window.

Now unless these two players are of the quality of Sauzee or Latapy (which they most certainly wont be) then we are in big trouble in my opinion.

We won't be getting any more than two, unless maybe a decent player leaves.

[scoopyboy]

Indeed the revenue has been vital. In the two years in the championship we have lost £600,000 which is less that Kilmarnock lost last season and half what Hertz lost when in the championship for one season. Bizarrely the championship hasn't hurt us any worse than being in the SPL. I think the timing of Stubbs departure and appointment of Lennon plus the early start v Malmo didn't help and the squad is much weaker imho than last season. We are minus stokes,henderson etc and now injuries have hit us big time. I don't think Lennon is the issue as such just a combination of factors. We clearly are in a battle with utd for the top spot and have to recognise this. We do need a couple of quality signings to get us over the line and I hope we aren't thinking what if if we end up in the dreaded playoff. I know it's a difficult balancing act in money v players on the pitch but the cost of not going up vouple be much greater than getting a couple of quality players.

£1,000,000 to £1,500,000 in TV fees due to not being in top flight.

[lucky]

£1,000,000 to £1,500,000 in TV fees due to not being in top flight.

But surely the Scottish cup win and additional STs sales have offset the loss of tv money? Our crowds are way up on our last season in the premiership. I'd like to know if the tv money loss is taken on its own or in the overall finances. I doubt Hibs had financially planned for record ST sales or attendances of over 15000. There's also the share issue and HSL money. I think the director who spun that to you needs to clarify it further.

[Canon Hannan]

Stubbs inherited a mess, had to build the entire squad from nothing and took us deep into the League and Scottish Cups (both seasons) in his first managerial job.

Lennon inherited a decent squad with great morale, has had a free run the league without any cup distractions or having to contend with the Yams / Sevco. And we sit in 2nd place to the relegated team.

Lennon needs to get the finger out.

Neil Lennon does not have Stokes, Henderson, Fyfie or McGinn. We would win the league with them easily.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

But surely the Scottish cup win and additional STs sales have offset the loss of tv money? Our crowds are way up on our last season in the premiership. I'd like to know if the tv money loss is taken on its own or in the overall finances. I doubt Hibs had financially planned for record ST sales or attendances of over 15000. There's also the share issue and HSL money. I think the director who spun that to you needs to clarify it further.

When the window opens though the last impression that we want to give is that we are flush.

[SkintHibby]

Neil Lennon does not have Stokes, Henderson, Fyfie or McGinn. We would win the league with them easily.

Utter garbage.

We had these players last season and we finished 3rd. Not 2nd but THIRD in a dross league.

[Greenworld]

Neil Lennon does not have Stokes, Henderson, Fyfie or McGinn. We would win the league with them easily.
Does anyone know the latest with mcginn and Fyvie injurys

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[Canon Hannan]

[QUOTE=SkintHibby;4890153]Utter garbage.

We had these players last season and we finished 3rd. Not 2nd but THIRD in a dross league.

Just proves how good a job Neil is actually doing then!

[Northernhibee]

Utter garbage.

We had these players last season and we finished 3rd. Not 2nd but THIRD in a dross league.

We competed on three fronts to the end of each competition. Teams with several extra players would have found that exhausting.

[J-C]

The most worrying thing I've heard from Lennon recently is that he has stated that only one or two players will be brought in in the transfer window.

Now unless these two players are of the quality of Sauzee or Latapy (which they most certainly wont be) then we are in big trouble in my opinion.

We have been without our 2 most influential players in McGinn and Fyvie, any team would miss that quality, they'll be back soon enough, we don't need to replace them but we do need to bring in players to strengthen our depth in the squad. We need a wide player and another solid midfielder as cover and we'll be good to go.

[blackpoolhibs]

Neil Lennon does not have Stokes, Henderson, Fyfie or McGinn. We would win the league with them easily.

Neither do Dundee Utd.

[Canon Hannan]

Neither do Dundee Utd.

They have Premier League experienced players and are favourites in my view to win the league. But we have a good manager and team and have a chance to win the league. I am being realistic here. Keep the faith. 👍

[MacGruber]

Neil Lennon does not have Stokes, Henderson, Fyfie or McGinn. We would win the league with them easily.

Neither did Stubbs.
Then he signed them.
McGinn the best player in the league replacing the previous best player in the league that Stubbs signed in Allan
McGeough was also part of the Allan deal

It's been Lennons job to recruit to fill gap of losing players
He's not made a great job of that in my opinion with the exception of Marciano. Shinnie on paper too but he's yet to impress as much as I hoped he would

I have no faith in Lennon signing well in Jan either - hope for all our sakes that's wrong because we are toiling.

[Onion]

The most worrying thing I've heard from Lennon recently is that he has stated that only one or two players will be brought in in the transfer window.

Now unless these two players are of the quality of Sauzee or Latapy (which they most certainly wont be) then we are in big trouble in my opinion.

The best managers get the best out of players and in this respect Lennon has room for improvement. He's done well with our defence but at the expense of goalscoring/winning games. Lennon's most obvious failure is to get the most out of our £2M rated striker, who he consigned to the subs bench and who's struggled since. That's no where near good enough. Yes, we probably do need a few players in Jan, but that IMO is due to the deficiencies in Lennon's management. The current squad *should* be good enough to win this league.

[WhileTheChief..]

Surprised at the strength of feeling against Lennon being shown on here.

It's not the vibe I get at ER or chatting with mates etc in the pub before/after games.

I'm still 100% behind him and hope he stays with us a good few years.

[The Modfather]

Neil Lennon does not have Stokes, Henderson, Fyfie or McGinn. We would win the league with them easily.

We didn't even finish second with all of them!

Henderson and Stokes would add quality but wouldn't address any of the same problems that have kept us down here into our 3rd season.

[Smartie]

Surprised at the strength of feeling against Lennon being shown on here.

It's not the vibe I get at ER or chatting with mates etc in the pub before/after games.

I'm still 100% behind him and hope he stays with us a good few years.

I'm surprised too.

He's had one transfer window to improve a squad that had already failed to get promotion twice and it's not exactly like we're miles behind United.

I'll have a bit more to say at the end of the window, but realistically he should only be judged on whether or not we get promotion and he should be backed until then.

I think it's just a feature of modern football - unless a club is exceeding the expectation of the fans by a mile, there will be people calling for the manager's head. It's just the easy solution for everyone.

Stubbs leaving and a managerial change was the worst thing that could have happened at the end of last season as it sends you back to square one - the new man has to come in, assess the players and then change it as he sees fit. You'll often get a short-term bounce (as we did) but rarely do you get the long-term improvement you really need.

It beggars belief that some folk think that a managerial change is what we need right now.

And no, I've not been 100% satisfied with the football during the first half of this season. I'm pretty sure Neil Lennon hasn't been either but he's done well to battle on with the players he's had at his disposal.

[Smartie]

The best managers get the best out of players and in this respect Lennon has room for improvement. He's done well with our defence but at the expense of goalscoring/winning games. Lennon's most obvious failure is to get the most out of our £2M rated striker, who he consigned to the subs bench and who's struggled since. That's no where near good enough. Yes, we probably do need a few players in Jan, but that IMO is due to the deficiencies in Lennon's management. The current squad *should* be good enough to win this league.

Whilst Cummings played regularly and scored a lot of goals under Stubbs, Stubbs consistently struggled to get a team together that scored enough goals. I think Lennon was entitled to do as he saw fit and try Boyle.

IMO the change largely worked - Boyle has scored a decent number of goals whilst he's been in the team and has provided a different threat.

Pretty much everything Lennon does, I can understand why he does it. I understand his signings, his tactical choices, his team selections and I like that I do. We've had a number of managers where I've wondered wtf is actually going on.

My main criticism is that he's a bit slow with his subs but that's not that big a deal.

It's easy to criticise with hindsight and when things don't work out. But most weeks I'm fairly happy when the team is announced and when he's signed players, I've understood his thinking at the time, albeit I may have ultimately been slightly disappointed with the way things have worked out.

[superfurryhibby]

Whilst Cummings played regularly and scored a lot of goals under Stubbs, Stubbs consistently struggled to get a team together that scored enough goals. I think Lennon was entitled to do as he saw fit and try Boyle.

IMO the change largely worked - Boyle has scored a decent number of goals whilst he's been in the team and has provided a different threat.

Pretty much everything Lennon does, I can understand why he does it. I understand his signings, his tactical choices, his team selections and I like that I do. We've had a number of managers where I've wondered wtf is actually going on.

My main criticism is that he's a bit slow with his subs but that's not that big a deal.

It's easy to criticise with hindsight and when things don't work out. But most weeks I'm fairly happy when the team is announced and when he's signed players, I've understood his thinking at the time, albeit I may have ultimately been slightly disappointed with the way things have worked out.

You must have some tactical insight that is lost on me. I can't grasp playing such defensive formations against weak teams or promoting a not very successful version of hoofball when the main striker is unable to get on the end of the punts launched in his direction.

The football is undeniably less easy on the eye and the results are demonstrably no better.

I think we all saw this season as one in which a very good side, albeit one with some flaws, would be built upon. I expected Lennon to instil confidence and a more ruthless approach to the team. It hasn't happened and the fans recognise that we have gone backwards. The manager is not helping matters by signings like Commons on emergency loan. Loads of less naive posters questioned that one and so far it looks like a waste of time and effort, a panic measure which smacks of desperation.

Poor results, albeit injury etc,crap football and falling behind in the league is a fair basis for questioning what's happening at the club. Lets hope the board grasp the severity of the situation and give the manager the tools and find out if he can do the job. So far, the jury is well and truly out on that question.

[MacGruber]

They have Premier League experienced players and are favourites in my view to win the league. But we have a good manager and team and have a chance to win the league. I am being realistic here. Keep the faith. 👍

Please!
They had 7 players close season after the playing staff was decimated.
Premier League experience.. Stevenson, Hanlon, McGregor, McGinn, Fyvie.. there's plenty more in our ranks.

We had a better team than Utd last year and a far bigger budget to go into this one. We were massive favourites. Not anymore.

[Smartie]

You must have some tactical insight that is lost on me. I can't grasp playing such defensive formations against weak teams or promoting a not very successful version of hoofball when the main striker is unable to get on the end of the punts launched in his direction.

The football is undeniably less easy on the eye and the results are demonstrably no better.

I think we all saw this season as one in which a very good side, albeit one with some flaws, would be built upon. I expected Lennon to instil confidence and a more ruthless approach to the team. It hasn't happened and the fans recognise that we have gone backwards. The manager is not helping matters by signings like Commons on emergency loan. Loads of less naive posters questioned that one and so far it looks like a waste of time and effort, a panic measure which smacks of desperation.

Poor results, albeit injury etc,crap football and falling behind in the league is a fair basis for questioning what's happening at the club. Lets hope the board grasp the severity of the situation and give the manager the tools and find out if he can do the job. So far, the jury is well and truly out on that question.

We've played decent stuff when we've had our best players available.

When you lose players of the quality of McGinn, Fyvie and McGeouch then it is going to affect you. It was hard to see what kind of a midfield he could put out that would allow us to continue to play passing football so I though it was reasonable to go direct. It's not easy on the eye but I can understand why he did it. The signing of Commons DOES smack of desperation but I thought it was a risk worth taking and I can see why he did it (and I've not been that impressed by Commons so far).

Lennon made a good start and you could understand why he didn't feel he needed to bring in more players. Or maybe he did, but the board didn't? But the lack of depth in our squad and our lack of options (especially out wide) have come back to haunt us again.

I agree that he needs some backing. I don't think our current squad is good enough to get promoted and I think the current manager should only shoulder a small amount of blame for that.

[Sammy7nil]

You must have some tactical insight that is lost on me. I can't grasp playing such defensive formations against weak teams or promoting a not very successful version of hoofball when the main striker is unable to get on the end of the punts launched in his direction.

The football is undeniably less easy on the eye and the results are demonstrably no better.

I think we all saw this season as one in which a very good side, albeit one with some flaws, would be built upon. I expected Lennon to instil confidence and a more ruthless approach to the team. It hasn't happened and the fans recognise that we have gone backwards. The manager is not helping matters by signings like Commons on emergency loan. Loads of less naive posters questioned that one and so far it looks like a waste of time and effort, a panic measure which smacks of desperation.

Poor results, albeit injury etc,crap football and falling behind in the league is a fair basis for questioning what's happening at the club. Lets hope the board grasp the severity of the situation and give the manager the tools and find out if he can do the job. So far, the jury is well and truly out on that question.

I whole heartedly agree with the bit in bold, I would drop the 2 fullbacks when we play at home using a back 3 with Boyle and another as attacking wingbacks. I don't think you can knock the signing of Commons I agree it appears it may not workout BUT if a player of that quality wants to play in the championship it is awfully hard to turn them down. Imagine the out cry on here if it was leaked that Lennon had turned the move down and our results were poor.

[MacGruber]

[QUOTE=Smartie;4890223]Whilst Cummings played regularly and scored a lot of goals under Stubbs, Stubbs consistently struggled to get a team together that scored enough goals. I think Lennon was entitled to do as he saw fit and try Boyle.



Pretty much everything Lennon does, I can understand why he does it. I understand his signings, his tactical choices, his team selections and I like that I do. We've had a number of managers where I've wondered wtf is actually going on.

I feel exactly the opposite. I watch hibs now with no shape, idea, tactics, New 11 on a weekly basis. I can rarely work out the game plan other than lump it high and early to the big man or infront of Boyle.

Also worked out that in the majority of these games where we are always going to dominate posession of the ball against an opponent intent on sitting in we play 2 defensive full backs, 3 centre halfs, a defensive midfielder to sit on top.... and still kick the thing long

[Greenworld]

Whilst Cummings played regularly and scored a lot of goals under Stubbs, Stubbs consistently struggled to get a team together that scored enough goals. I think Lennon was entitled to do as he saw fit and try Boyle.

IMO the change largely worked - Boyle has scored a decent number of goals whilst he's been in the team and has provided a different threat.

Pretty much everything Lennon does, I can understand why he does it. I understand his signings, his tactical choices, his team selections and I like that I do. We've had a number of managers where I've wondered wtf is actually going on.

My main criticism is that he's a bit slow with his subs but that's not that big a deal.

It's easy to criticise with hindsight and when things don't work out. But most weeks I'm fairly happy when the team is announced and when he's signed players, I've understood his thinking at the time, albeit I may have ultimately been slightly disappointed with the way things have worked out.
The most important thing is not to stubbornly stick by players who are not doing it .
The Cummings situation is certainly strange but I get what your saying about trying to the goals spread throughout the team.
He needs to think big signings wise this window and I feel sure the club will back him.
Staying in this league anther season is not an option.

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[HappyAsHellas]

I can't grasp playing such defensive formations against weak teams or promoting a not very successful version of hoofball when the main striker is unable to get on the end of the punts launched in his direction.

The football is undeniably less easy on the eye and the results are demonstrably no better.



I can understand to an extent his defensive tactics and no one is really complaining about the amount of goals conceded so we have to view that side as successful. As for hoofball, I really don't understand this at all. In the earlier games of the season we would try different approaches depending on what was happening at the time. Since Fyvie has been missing our central defenders are the ones bringing the ball out, and when closed down they will launch it up the park. I agree that some of the football has not been pretty, but to put everything at the managers door is just wrong. He can't do anything about key players getting injured and I've never seen him miss a glorious chance in front of goal. Let's back him and the team and get the hell out of this crappy league - together we will do it, we all have to be onside.

[J-C]

Last saturday we reverted to a back 4 which gives us far better shape and allows players like Dylan and Martin to play it on the deck which they did for a good 60+ mins, if it wasn't for the wasteful strikers we'd have won by a clear 4 goals. It wasn't until we went a goal down that we started to lump if up to the strikers because we got rid of the midfield and had 4 up top trying to get back into the game.

We need to go 4-3-3 in this league and play high tempo, quick pace right from kick off, a lead needs to be taken early to kill off teams. Martin has to keep his place as his energy is vital, if Keatings is fit he should play with JC and Holt up top with Commons floating.

[Eyrie]

We need to go 4-3-3 in this league and play high tempo, quick pace right from kick off, a lead needs to be taken early to kill off teams.

You, me and countless others have been pointing that out for two and a half seasons now. I'm not optimistic that Lennon will prove any more willing to do the smart thing than Stubbs was.

[shreevesy]

I'm hearing from inside the corridors that Lennon isn't too happy either and Doolan may be coming in.
Don't shoot the messenger on this one and no I'm not trolling and yes I am Hibee.

[J-C]

I'm hearing from inside the corridors that Lennon isn't too happy either and Doolan may be coming in.
Don't shoot the messenger on this one and no I'm not trolling and yes I am Hibee.



Although I can't see it happening but Doolan was the main man at training when he was here and was the guy that gave us the team spirit, he got us, I know he was interested in the job but chose to go with Stubbs, maybe a mistake on his part.

[ruthven_raiders]

You, me and countless others have been pointing that out for two and a half seasons now. I'm not optimistic that Lennon will prove any more willing to do the smart thing than Stubbs was.

Yeh everyone sitting beside me are asking why we play 3 centre half's, two wing backs that can't cross and a holding midfielder in this league! 4-3-3 and take the game to the opposition all the time.....

[Greenworld]

I'm hearing from inside the corridors that Lennon isn't too happy either and Doolan may be coming in.
Don't shoot the messenger on this one and no I'm not trolling and yes I am Hibee.
Which corridors is that? If I may ask

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[shreevesy]

That would be from within the club, Hibernian FC, Easter Road.
I thought it would have been obvious, apologies if it wasn't.

[keep the faith]

I'm hearing from inside the corridors that Lennon isn't too happy either and Doolan may be coming in.
Don't shoot the messenger on this one and no I'm not trolling and yes I am Hibee.

He certainly doesn't look happy or particularly engaged with the club or fans.
Interesting. I wonder why Doolan and not Stubbs/Doolan?

[Greenworld]

That would be from within the club, Hibernian FC, Easter Road.
I thought it would have been obvious, apologies if it wasn't.
Would be astonished if that was true but in football anything is possible.
Maybe just as an additional coach?


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[matty_f]

That would be from within the club, Hibernian FC, Easter Road.
I thought it would have been obvious, apologies if it wasn't.

I heard differently, albeit a couple of weeks back. Lennon was very engaged with the club and had really taken to Hibs. I'd be surprised if that had changed, to be honest.

Also, experience has shown that virtually every post that contains the words "don't shoot the messenger" is usually bollocks. (including this one, probably :greengrin)

[JimBHibees]

I'm hearing from inside the corridors that Lennon isn't too happy either and Doolan may be coming in.
Don't shoot the messenger on this one and no I'm not trolling and yes I am Hibee.

Don't believe it for a minute.

[Smartie]

I heard differently, albeit a couple of weeks back. Lennon was very engaged with the club and had really taken to Hibs. I'd be surprised if that had changed, to be honest.

Also, experience has shown that virtually every post that contains the words "don't shoot the messenger" is usually bollocks. (including this one, probably :greengrin)

I honestly don't get any of this "disinterested" stuff.

He doesn't seem in the least disinterested to me.

TBH I think he's feeling the pressure a bit, I don't think he's finding it as easy as he thought he would.

FWIW I think this rumour is likely to be nonsense - I think Lennon's career needs him to be a success at ER, at the very least he needs to get us promoted before he can leave with his reputation intact/ enhanced. If he were to walk halfway through this job because he wasn't really enjoying it/ whatever then I don't think it would reflect well on him.

Or if he felt he wasn't going to be backed the way he thought he should................

[Greenworld]

I honestly don't get any of this "disinterested" stuff.

He doesn't seem in the least disinterested to me.

TBH I think he's feeling the pressure a bit, I don't think he's finding it as easy as he thought he would.

FWIW I think this rumour is likely to be nonsense - I think Lennon's career needs him to be a success at ER, at the very least he needs to get us promoted before he can leave with his reputation intact/ enhanced. If he were to walk halfway through this job because he wasn't really enjoying it/ whatever then I don't think it would reflect well on him.

Or if he felt he wasn't going to be backed the way he thought he should................
That would really be interesting " I left cause the board wouldn't back me for the players I wanted" [emoji102]

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[Marco G]

I heard differently, albeit a couple of weeks back. Lennon was very engaged with the club and had really taken to Hibs. I'd be surprised if that had changed, to be honest.

Also, experience has shown that virtually every post that contains the words "don't shoot the messenger" is usually bollocks. (including this one, probably :greengrin)
Agree with you Matty 100%. The message "from the corridors" started on someone's laptop imo and sounds like a load of guff to me.

[shreevesy]

Agree with you Matty 100%. The message "from the corridors" started on someone's laptop imo and sounds like a load of guff to me.

Fully expected responses like this.
I do know that it is for personal reasons that Neil Lennon would leave, why Doolan I'm not so sure.
I have been fairly critical of Lennon but now knowing the personal issues I'll retract my previous criticism.

[Marco G]

Fully expected responses like this.
I do know that it is for personal reasons that Neil Lennon would leave, why Doolan I'm not so sure.
I have been fairly critical of Lennon but now knowing the personal issues I'll retract my previous criticism.
Sorry but your post said that "Lennon was not too happy either". Nothing about personal reasons or anything specific so you will forgive me if I think you are making this up as you go, I hope.

[shreevesy]

Sorry but your post said that "Lennon was not too happy either". Nothing about personal reasons or anything specific so you will forgive me if I think you are making this up as you go, I hope.
Again not an unexpected response.
He has some personal issues and is not happy. I know what the personal issues are don't think it is appropriate to post them.
I have no agenda, I am not trolling I have chosen to share some info, Doolan was the biggest mystery to me, although I know he is highly thought off within the club.

[Greenworld]

Fully expected responses like this.
I do know that it is for personal reasons that Neil Lennon would leave, why Doolan I'm not so sure.
I have been fairly critical of Lennon but now knowing the personal issues I'll retract my previous criticism.
How would you know that given that hibs are very tight with such information.Im not suggesting it may not be true .
The Doolan link is not surprising Lennon chucking it would be.
The fact you say it is for personal reasons suggests it's done and he's gone
However only a few days ago LD said she will be backing Lennon in the transfer window.
Seems strange

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[bingo70]

Again not an unexpected response.
He has some personal issues and is not happy. I know what the personal issues are don't think it is appropriate to post them.
I have no agenda, I am not trolling I have chosen to share some info, Doolan was the biggest mystery to me, although I know he is highly thought off within the club.

If Lennon was to leave, Parker would leave at exactly the same time so we'd need a caretaker manager. Doolan would be a good candidate for that imo.

[sleeping giant]

Interesting :-)

Love a good rumour before the transfer window.

[WhileTheChief..]

Some folk think Lennon looks disinterested.

A few more similar posts and it will become a fact I suppose.

This place reeks sometimes. How the F can you tell what someone's thinking?

You can't.

[Billy Whizz]

If Lennon was to leave, Parker would leave at exactly the same time so we'd need a caretaker manager. Doolan would be a good candidate for that imo.

Doolan and stubbs were at the hibs v Raith game on Saturday

[Greenworld]

Doolan and stubbs were at the hibs v Raith game on Saturday
So exciting old management team back 😀

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[Lago]

Doolan and stubbs were at the hibs v Raith game on Saturday

Like the ghost of christmas past.

[Callum_62]

surely this is pesh?

[Andy74]

So exciting old management team back 😀

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No thanks.

[Canon Hannan]

So exciting old management team back 😀

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Prefer Neil Lennon and his team thanks.

[ancient hibee]

I must admit that I don't understand the comparisons of today's football and the evidently free flowing wonder football under Stubbs.At this stage last season the team had scored two more goals in 18 league games and lost five more.Really to get out of this league this is all that matters.I can't fo rg t that in two seasons we dropped from second to third.

[Greenworld]

No thanks.
I was joking [emoji1]

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[bingo70]

Some folk think Lennon looks disinterested.

A few more similar posts and it will become a fact I suppose.

This place reeks sometimes. How the F can you tell what someone's thinking?

You can't.

I can only speak for myself but I've never felt Lennon came across particularly engaged with the fans or enthusiastic about the job.

When Mowbray, Stubbs or even Doolan spoke I felt a passion and desire to succeed that I just don't get when I hear Lennon speak, I just think he comes across like he's doing this job for a year or two to help us out until a bigger job becomes available.

May not be accurate and I'm sure folk will come along shortly to tell me I'm talking ***** but it's just the vibe I've always got from Lennon.

[silverhibee]

How would you know that given that hibs are very tight with such information.Im not suggesting it may not be true .
The Doolan link is not surprising Lennon chucking it would be.
The fact you say it is for personal reasons suggests it's done and he's gone
However only a few days ago LD said she will be backing Lennon in the transfer window.
Seems strange

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LD also said that Stubbs would be our manager this season, still time I suppose.

[WhileTheChief..]

Bingo, fair play if that's how you see it.

From my point of view it's the complete opposite. Every time I've heard him speak, which is practically every interview he's given, I think he comes across brilliantly.

I get what he's says and think he's exactly what we need.

Far too often when I listened to Hibs managers' interviews I wondered what damn game they were at.

Even Stubbs. I always felt like he was a temporary manager and the way he spoke about the game never gave me any confidence.

I'd choose Lennon every single time for manager over Stubbs. Not a popular view but hey-ho I can cope!

[HoboHarry]

I can only speak for myself but I've never felt Lennon came across particularly engaged with the fans or enthusiastic about the job.

When Mowbray, Stubbs or even Doolan spoke I felt a passion and desire to succeed that I just don't get when I hear Lennon speak, I just think he comes across like he's doing this job for a year or two to help us out until a bigger job becomes available.

May not be accurate and I'm sure folk will come along shortly to tell me I'm talking ***** but it's just the vibe I've always got from Lennon.

Which manager in Scotland isn't looking for a bigger job? Including those of the ugly sisters - they would both be back in England in a hurry if the right offer was there and there is nothing wrong with that...........

[Smartie]

Bingo, fair play if that's how you see it.

From my point of view it's the complete opposite. Every time I've heard him speak, which is practically every interview he's given, I think he comes across brilliantly.

I get what he's says and think he's exactly what we need.

Far too often when I listened to Hibs managers' interviews I wondered what damn game they were at.

Even Stubbs. I always felt like he was a temporary manager and the way he spoke about the game never gave me any confidence.

I'd choose Lennon every single time for manager over Stubbs. Not a popular view but hey-ho I can cope!

I agree with you.

Lennon still seems to me like he's hard but fair. He'll criticise when he needs to, he'll give praise when it suits.

I couldn't stand him when he was at Celtic but i find him honest, open and quite endearing at Hibs. I don't think he's maybe been as critical as he could have been at times but that is understandable given he's still had to expect these players to go out and win points for him, no point in "Butchering" their confidence.

The "Cummings situation" may yet prove to be the making of Jason Cummings.

He has never at any point seemed anything other than focussed and engaged.

Not to me anyway.

As to whether I'd prefer him to Stubbs - as he's the man in position, I'd rather it was Lennon. In truth, I'd have rather Stubbs hadn't left as I think that as last season ended he probably had the best idea what was needed to get us up and we could have made faster strides without Lennon having to come in and learn about the players etc.

I'm pretty sure that as things stand, Lennon knows better than anyone and is our best chance by a long shot at getting promotion.

[bingo70]

Which manager in Scotland isn't looking for a bigger job? Including those of the ugly sisters - they would both be back in England in a hurry if the right offer was there and there is nothing wrong with that...........

Of course.

My objection isn't the possibility of Lennon moving after a year or two and if he was to get us promoted this season I couldn't care less what happens. My point is that while they're at hibs I want them to be totally immersed in everything about the club and the job, I've never felt that from Lennon, others might have and that's great but as I said it's just the vibe I've always got.

A more direct comparison would be someone like Ray McKinnon at Dundee Utd, imo he's acting like that's his dream job and is leaving no stone unturned giving it absolutely everything which included q&a's, meeting supporters and visiting some in their houses as part of an incentive, I just have never had the same feeling from Lennon, we'll probably since he missed that Pre-season friendly to be on the tele.

[bingo70]

Again not an unexpected response.
He has some personal issues and is not happy. I know what the personal issues are don't think it is appropriate to post them.
I have no agenda, I am not trolling I have chosen to share some info, Doolan was the biggest mystery to me, although I know he is highly thought off within the club.

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-take-sunderland-left-back-tommy-robson-on-trial-1-4328112

Wonder if there's any relevance that it's Parker giving the quotes about this left back rather than Lennon? Hmmmm...

[Smartie]

Of course.

My objection isn't the possibility of Lennon moving after a year or two and if he was to get us promoted this season I couldn't care less what happens. My point is that while they're at hibs I want them to be totally immersed in everything about the club and the job, I've never felt that from Lennon, others might have and that's great but as I said it's just the vibe I've always got.

A more direct comparison would be someone like Ray McKinnon at Dundee Utd, imo he's acting like that's his dream job and is leaving no stone unturned giving it absolutely everything which included q&a's, meeting supporters and visiting some in their houses as part of an incentive, I just have never had the same feeling from Lennon, we'll probably since he missed that Pre-season friendly to be on the tele.

Was part of the original Cummings story not something about Lennon not being happy that he'd missed the golf day with the fans?

[bingo70]

Was part of the original Cummings story not something about Lennon not being happy that he'd missed the golf day with the fans?

Apparently so.

I'm not about to start twisting everything Lennon does into a negative as he's still our manager and I hope he succeeds. I don't really see him playing in a golf day as any great sign of commitment though.

[northstandhibby]

Of course.

My objection isn't the possibility of Lennon moving after a year or two and if he was to get us promoted this season I couldn't care less what happens. My point is that while they're at hibs I want them to be totally immersed in everything about the club and the job, I've never felt that from Lennon, others might have and that's great but as I said it's just the vibe I've always got.

A more direct comparison would be someone like Ray McKinnon at Dundee Utd, imo he's acting like that's his dream job and is leaving no stone unturned giving it absolutely everything which included q&a's, meeting supporters and visiting some in their houses as part of an incentive, I just have never had the same feeling from Lennon, we'll probably since he missed that Pre-season friendly to be on the tele.

It probably actually is his dream job with a step up from Raith to boot. Lenny was given the task to get us out of this league and as a professional manager I am sure he is getting on with it and will continue to. I don't think Lenny's that type of getting involved with the fans and as long as he does get us promoted it seems a bit irrelevant.

[Betty Boop]

I can only speak for myself but I've never felt Lennon came across particularly engaged with the fans or enthusiastic about the job.

When Mowbray, Stubbs or even Doolan spoke I felt a passion and desire to succeed that I just don't get when I hear Lennon speak, I just think he comes across like he's doing this job for a year or two to help us out until a bigger job becomes available.

May not be accurate and I'm sure folk will come along shortly to tell me I'm talking ***** but it's just the vibe I've always got from Lennon.

Couldn't agree more.

[Smartie]

Apparently so.

I'm not about to start twisting everything Lennon does into a negative as he's still our manager and I hope he succeeds. I don't really see him playing in a golf day as any great sign of commitment though.

I was referring more to the fact that he chose to pull up Cummings on his lack of commitment by failing to show for the golf tournament.

If you're not that committed yourself do you pull other folk up for it?


Lennon has managed a bigger club than us, the club he supported. He will always have a bigger emotional pull to that club. We shouldn't expect him to fall head over heels in love with us.

All we need is for him to be professional and committed, which I think he is.

In many ways I prefer this to someone who gets too involved and heaps extra pressure on themselves by being hugely emotionally involved with the club.

[CockneyRebel]

Of course.

My objection isn't the possibility of Lennon moving after a year or two and if he was to get us promoted this season I couldn't care less what happens. My point is that while they're at hibs I want them to be totally immersed in everything about the club and the job, I've never felt that from Lennon, others might have and that's great but as I said it's just the vibe I've always got.

A more direct comparison would be someone like Ray McKinnon at Dundee Utd, imo he's acting like that's his dream job and is leaving no stone unturned giving it absolutely everything which included q&a's, meeting supporters and visiting some in their houses as part of an incentive, I just have never had the same feeling from Lennon, we'll probably since he missed that Pre-season friendly to be on the tele.

I wish folk would give this a rest. Lennon was under contract with the TV punditry before we approached him so there was no way he could come to us straight away. We offered him the job knowing this so we can hardly criticise him for it.It was not his fault so let it go.

[Brightside]

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/hibs-take-sunderland-left-back-tommy-robson-on-trial-1-4328112

Wonder if there's any relevance that it's Parker giving the quotes about this left back rather than Lennon? Hmmmm...

Parker did the PC... its normal. Lennon was away trying to sort out other deals.... :wink:

[IWasThere2016]

I can only speak for myself but I've never felt Lennon came across particularly engaged with the fans or enthusiastic about the job.

When Mowbray, Stubbs or even Doolan spoke I felt a passion and desire to succeed that I just don't get when I hear Lennon speak, I just think he comes across like he's doing this job for a year or two to help us out until a bigger job becomes available.

May not be accurate and I'm sure folk will come along shortly to tell me I'm talking ***** but it's just the vibe I've always got from Lennon.

:agree:

There is also no rapport between NL and the players. This will turn sour IMHO. I would make a change personally..

[HoboHarry]

:agree:

There is also no rapport between NL and the players. This will turn sour IMHO. I would make a change personally..

You know this how?

[bingo70]

[/B]

I wish folk would give this a rest. Lennon was under contract with the TV punditry before we approached him so there was no way he could come to us straight away. We offered him the job knowing this so we can hardly criticise him for it.It was not his fault so let it go.

I was reluctant to post about that as I knew this is the response I'd get and quite frankly I can't be arsed going over it again.

That is just one factor amongst others and as it's something that I've never seen from a hibs manager before I'll continue to think it was wrong he missed the Hibs game. Managers should be at every game imo, friendly or not. There's nothing anybody can say that'll change my mind on that so we'll just agree to disagree, no point coming back about contracts etc.....

[ClewsHibs]

:agree:

There is also no rapport between NL and the players. This will turn sour IMHO. I would make a change personally..

How do you know this?

[WhileTheChief..]

Cummings said himself that meeting Lennon in Paris and rubbing shoulders with Shearer and Hartson etc helped persuade him to sign his contract.

If NL hadn't been doing the punditry stuff Cummings might not have signed!

I also like the fact that our manager was on national TV and raised the profile of our club. You didn't see Neilson, Warburton or McInnes there.

It will only be once Lennon leaves and we bring in Ian Murray or similar that folk will realise what an asset he was to us.

[Canon Hannan]

:agree:

There is also no rapport between NL and the players. This will turn sour IMHO. I would make a change personally..

I am friendly with a players dad and he tells me team spirit is excellent.

[HoboHarry]

I was reluctant to post about that as I knew this is the response I'd get and quite frankly I can't be arsed going over it again.

That is just one factor amongst others and as it's something that I've never seen from a hibs manager before I'll continue to think it was wrong he missed the Hibs game. Managers should be at every game imo, friendly or not. There's nothing anybody can say that'll change my mind on that so we'll just agree to disagree, no point coming back about contracts etc.....
Yes, no point in bringing legally binding documents into it is there? I mean they are worthless when faced with an opinion aren't they?

What - they aren't?........

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Cummings said himself that meeting Lennon in Paris and rubbing shoulders with Shearer and Hartson etc helped persuade him to sign his contract.

If NL hadn't been doing the punditry stuff Cummings might not have signed!

I also like the fact that our manager was on national TV and raised the profile of our club. You didn't see Neilson, Warburton or McInnes there.

It will only be once Lennon leaves and we bring in Ian Murray or similar that folk will realise what an asset he was to us.



Your last paragraph surely needs qualified by saying the reasons why he will eventually leave?

[IWasThere2016]

How do you know this?

A friend of a friend of a player.


I am friendly with a players dad and he tells me team spirit is excellent.

That's interesting... Not translating to the park (IMHO)

[Canon Hannan]

A friend of a friend of a player.



That's interesting... Not translating to the park (IMHO)

Team spirit is fine. Shooting boots need sorted though.

[HoboHarry]

A friend of a friend of a player.



That's interesting... Not translating to the park (IMHO)
Oh aye right you are then. He doesn't support Hearts by any chance does he?

:rolleyes:

[bingo70]

Yes, no point in bringing legally binding documents into it is there? I mean they are worthless when faced with an opinion aren't they?

What - they aren't?........

They don't tell us if he asked to get out of the contract do they?

BBC is a big company I'm sure they'd have understood and been able to find a replacement if he politely asked to be excused given he would have been able to give somewhere between 4-6 weeks notice.

[Carheenlea]

A friend of a friend of a player.






Watertight source :hilarious

[WhileTheChief..]

Your last paragraph surely needs qualified by saying the reasons why he will eventually leave?

I think we will get promoted and go on to be comfortably top 6 next season.

Folk on here willl then moan like hell if he decides to take a job down south instead of signing an extension to his contract :greengrin

[Sir David Gray]

I've read a few of your posts now and I really hope you type in this pigeon English way because you are foreign, if not you're grasp of the English language is horrendous.

Unfortunate typo in there when you're correcting someone's mistakes. :greengrin

[HoboHarry]

They don't tell us if he asked to get out of the contract do they?

BBC is a big company I'm sure they'd have understood and been able to find a replacement if he politely asked to be excused given he would have been able to give somewhere between 4-6 weeks notice.
How would I know? The point is you dismissed contracts as being worthless which they are not. The rest you are guessing.

[.Sean.]

I'll probably get shot down for this but I couldn't care less.

I hope there is some truth in any speculation about him being offski because I'm sick of his boring football, non-existent tactical nouse, inability to change a team with a substitution, his baffling tactics, I could go on and on. Let's be honest, we're rank-rotten to watch and for a good while we've been a bang-average side in a pish league. How many of us are confident of even 2 points from the next 2 games? I'm not.

And I'm just gonny say it and I don't give a Tam Kite how narrow-minded it might seem. I canny take to anyone that's so instantly associated with Celtic. Struggled since the day he was appointed and I can't see it changing and I'd lose no sleep if he left tomorrow, in fact it'd quite the opposite for me. I'm fed up of listening to his opinions on Celtic in the press and I'm sick of Hibs being linked with over-the-hill huddies that played under him there.

He just doesn't fit in, the players look disjointed under him and the feel-good factor May brought has all but ran out.

[bingo70]

How would I know? The point is you dismissed contracts as being worthless which they are not. The rest you are guessing.

I never dismissed it as worthless, or I never intended to. The point I was making that it's worthless to this debate as even having a contract wouldn't tell us the full story as it wouldn't tell us if he tried to get out the contract or not.

I don't believe the BBC wouldn't have excused him from media duties if he wanted out of it and was able to give plenty notice.

[IWasThere2016]

Oh aye right you are then. He doesn't support Hearts by any chance does he?

:rolleyes:

No, Hibs.

[Canon Hannan]

I'll probably get shot down for this but I couldn't care less.

I hope there is some truth in any speculation about him being offski because I'm sick of his boring football, non-existent tactical nouse, inability to change a team with a substitution, his baffling tactics, I could go on and on. Let's be honest, we're rank-rotten to watch and for a good while we've been a bang-average side in a pish league. How many of us are confident of even 2 points from the next 2 games? I'm not.

And I'm just gonny say it and I don't give a Tam Kite how narrow-minded it might seem. I canny take to anyone that's so instantly associated with Celtic. Struggled since the day he was appointed and I can't see it changing and I'd lose no sleep if he left tomorrow, in fact it'd quite the opposite for me. I'm fed up of listening to his opinions on Celtic in the press and I'm sick of Hibs being linked with over-the-hill huddies that played under him there.

He just doesn't fit in, the players look disjointed under him and the feel-good factor May brought has all but ran out.

You must have hated Hendo and Stoksey Celtic players winning the Cup for us?
We have not struggled since he has arrived. Have you been to Easter Road for the last 10 years in our struggles under many managers.
You need to cheer up! 😂☘

[Lago]

Some folk have never wanted him & never accept him, nor will they in the future. I almost feel that some would prefer to see him fail rather than see hibs succeed, hope I'm wrong but....

[brog]

Im surprised so many people are taking the assertion that NL isn't happy so seriously. Within a few minutes of the original post the poster then says he knows NL has personal issues & then soon after that he knows what these issues are! If NL has personal issues he won't be happy wherever he is! I'm no lover of Lennon but on Saturday he finally at least made the changes that most of us wanted & we played very well in the first half. I would be astonished if NL is not our manager post this transfer window.

[Canon Hannan]

Some folk have never wanted him & never accept him, nor will they in the future. I almost feel that some would prefer to see him fail rather than see hibs succeed, hope I'm wrong but....

Many Hearts infiltrators on here I would say.
At the games the fans are ok with the manager when I go.

[Super_JMcGinn]

I'll probably get shot down for this but I couldn't care less.

I hope there is some truth in any speculation about him being offski because I'm sick of his boring football, non-existent tactical nouse, inability to change a team with a substitution, his baffling tactics, I could go on and on. Let's be honest, we're rank-rotten to watch and for a good while we've been a bang-average side in a pish league. How many of us are confident of even 2 points from the next 2 games? I'm not.

And I'm just gonny say it and I don't give a Tam Kite how narrow-minded it might seem. I canny take to anyone that's so instantly associated with Celtic. Struggled since the day he was appointed and I can't see it changing and I'd lose no sleep if he left tomorrow, in fact it'd quite the opposite for me. I'm fed up of listening to his opinions on Celtic in the press and I'm sick of Hibs being linked with over-the-hill huddies that played under him there.

He just doesn't fit in, the players look disjointed under him and the feel-good factor May brought has all but ran out.


Not from this household of season ticket holders :top marks

[MWHIBBIES]

You must have hated Hendo and Stoksey Celtic players winning the Cup for us?
We have not struggled since he has arrived. Have you been to Easter Road for the last 10 years in our struggles under many managers.
You need to cheer up! 😂☘Those players didn't win the cup, they were part of the team that won the cup. Hendo didn't even start the game and Stokes played for Hibs before Celtic.

[Lago]

Many Hearts infiltrators on here I would say.
At the games the fans are ok with the manager when I go.

Thats good to hear.

[Baldy Foghorn]

I can only speak for myself but I've never felt Lennon came across particularly engaged with the fans or enthusiastic about the job.

When Mowbray, Stubbs or even Doolan spoke I felt a passion and desire to succeed that I just don't get when I hear Lennon speak, I just think he comes across like he's doing this job for a year or two to help us out until a bigger job becomes available.

May not be accurate and I'm sure folk will come along shortly to tell me I'm talking ***** but it's just the vibe I've always got from Lennon.

I take it you were not at AGM, a number of sceptics were pleasantly surprised at how well NL spoke.

He was full, frank and honest, and spoke passionately....

[bingo70]

I take it you were not at AGM, a number of sceptics were pleasantly surprised at how well NL spoke.

He was full, frank and honest, and spoke passionately....

No I wasn't and that's good to hear.

Contrary to some posts on this thread I'm sure everyone wants him to succeed (even Sean).

I can only base my opinion (and that's all they are, I've never presented anything I've said as facts) on what I've heard and seen and up to now I've still to be convinced.

[WhileTheChief..]

Im surprised so many people are taking the assertion that NL isn't happy so seriously. Within a few minutes of the original post the poster then says he knows NL has personal issues & then soon after that he knows what these issues are! If NL has personal issues he won't be happy wherever he is! I'm no lover of Lennon but on Saturday he finally at least made the changes that most of us wanted & we played very well in the first half. I would be astonished if NL is not our manager post this transfer window.

It's not just that one post though.

There are people saying Lennon is unhappy here from pages 1 & 2 of this thread.

I just don't see it. I think he has spoken with affection about us, sees us a great club and has been professional in everything he's done in his time here.

The football is crap at times but I think that's more do with this awful league we're in. It's not going to be pretty but if you think back to the QotS game at ER we were damn good.

The 2nd half of the season will be far better than the 1st.

[Baldy Foghorn]

No I wasn't and that's good to hear.

Contrary to some posts on this thread I'm sure everyone wants him to succeed (even Sean).

I can only base my opinion (and that's all they are, I've never presented anything I've said as facts) on what I've heard and seen and up to now I've still to be convinced.

I know Bingo, but this thread doesn't make for pleasant reading, and knives are being well and truly sharpened.

Let's see where we are after players brought in, and players return from injury.

[Sir David Gray]

I honestly believe that once McGinn and Fyvie are back to full match fitness again (hopefully within the next 3-4 weeks) then we'll see a massive improvement. Those two returning, coupled with a couple of new signings in key areas will really make the difference I think.

And if it doesn't then obviously at that point we would need to revisit the management position

At the moment we're playing without arguably our two most influential players and any team in our league would struggle without one of them in the side, never mind them both at the same time.

[bingo70]

I know Bingo, but this thread doesn't make for pleasant reading, and knives are being well and truly sharpened.

Let's see where we are after players brought in, and players return from injury.

He's certainly not a popular manager but I suppose that's to be expected considering how we've played for most of this season.

My preference is obviously for him to get things right but if I was to wake up tomorrow morning and see those rumours were true I wouldn't be overly disappointed.

[Canon Hannan]

He's certainly not a popular manager but I suppose that's to be expected considering how we've played for most of this season.

My preference is obviously for him to get things right but if I was to wake up tomorrow morning and see those rumours were true I wouldn't be overly disappointed.

Then the league would be lost. A whole new management team is crazy considering this is a must win year.

[JimBHibees]

Bingo, fair play if that's how you see it.

From my point of view it's the complete opposite. Every time I've heard him speak, which is practically every interview he's given, I think he comes across brilliantly.

I get what he's says and think he's exactly what we need.

Far too often when I listened to Hibs managers' interviews I wondered what damn game they were at.

Even Stubbs. I always felt like he was a temporary manager and the way he spoke about the game never gave me any confidence.

I'd choose Lennon every single time for manager over Stubbs. Not a popular view but hey-ho I can cope!

I agree think he comes over very well what I would say is that I think his interviews should all be on freeview on Hibs tv rather than not shown without subscription. To me he is an intelligent football man and deserves a bit more respect than he is currently getting. A bit more support would be good rather than nasty tittle tattle designed to stir up trouble.

[JimBHibees]

I'll probably get shot down for this but I couldn't care less.

I hope there is some truth in any speculation about him being offski because I'm sick of his boring football, non-existent tactical nouse, inability to change a team with a substitution, his baffling tactics, I could go on and on. Let's be honest, we're rank-rotten to watch and for a good while we've been a bang-average side in a pish league. How many of us are confident of even 2 points from the next 2 games? I'm not.

And I'm just gonny say it and I don't give a Tam Kite how narrow-minded it might seem. I canny take to anyone that's so instantly associated with Celtic. Struggled since the day he was appointed and I can't see it changing and I'd lose no sleep if he left tomorrow, in fact it'd quite the opposite for me. I'm fed up of listening to his opinions on Celtic in the press and I'm sick of Hibs being linked with over-the-hill huddies that played under him there.

He just doesn't fit in, the players look disjointed under him and the feel-good factor May brought has all but ran out.

Dear oh dear.

[ancient hibee]

I take it you were not at AGM, a number of sceptics were pleasantly surprised at how well NL spoke.

He was full, frank and honest, and spoke passionately....:top marks

Couldn't agree more.I've been at AGMs back to Tony Mowbray and Lennon was far and away the most impressive of the bunch.

[Eyrie]

I agree think he comes over very well what I would say is that I think his interviews should all be on freeview on Hibs tv rather than not shown without subscription. To me he is an intelligent football man and deserves a bit more respect than he is currently getting. A bit more support would be good rather than nasty tittle tattle designed to stir up trouble.

I'm not fussed about whether the manager's interviews are free to watch or not, because all I would expect to hear are PR puff and platitudes. There won't be any insight into why he plays Gray and Stevenson out of position, or failed to bring in at least one winger in the summer, or thinks we need six defensive players in a stodgy 3-5-2 rather than play a high tempo 4-3-3.

I am fussed about whether the manager is doing his job of getting us promoted, preferably by playing good football. And recent performances (even dating back to when McGinn and Fyvie were fit) do not fill me with confidence on either of those.

I have no knowledge of the truth about Lennon's current intentions, but if he does decide to go then I want it to be about football and not the alleged personal reasons which I'd guess would be health related.

Having said all that, I'd prefer Lennon to stay for the simple reason that it would be very disruptive to change managers at this stage of the season.

[Thecat23]

Many Hearts infiltrators on here I would say.
At the games the fans are ok with the manager when I go.

Have to agree regarding the fans. Bar one or two idiots with the odd shout everyone else seems fine with Lennon where I sit.

[Bostonhibby]

Lennon will hopefully stay and drive the winning mentality we need to get out of this league. I like the guy because when the chips are down there's every chance he will tell it like it is.

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[truehibernian]

:agree:

There is also no rapport between NL and the players. This will turn sour IMHO. I would make a change personally..

That's weird because NL has been out with the players a few times, very recently in a bar/hotel in Bruntsfield where he and certain first team players were happy to engage and chat with punters, even having little phone video clips taken. Senior players there really like NL - there's no issues in the camp between players and management.

[ancient hibee]

That's weird because NL has been out with the players a few times, very recently in a bar/hotel in Bruntsfield where he and certain first team players were happy to engage and chat with punters, even having little phone video clips taken. Senior players there really like NL - there's no issues in the camp between players and management.
I understand he made them go,fined those that didn't turn up and booted Jason in the backside for not buying his round.Some may find this hard to believe but I think it's pretty accurate as I was told by a guy who lives next door to somebody that is pals with a player's cousin.

[J-C]

Unfortunate typo in there when you're correcting someone's mistakes. :greengrin


Haha it was meant to read your, it was 6am and I was still half asleep :greengrin


It's now been edited.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Why are some intent on making up stories which are detrimental to OUR club?

[truehibernian]

I understand he made them go,fined those that didn't turn up and booted Jason in the backside for not buying his round.Some may find this hard to believe but I think it's pretty accurate as I was told by a guy who lives next door to somebody that is pals with a player's cousin.

You're probably right AH, I was probably in the bar when they had the annual 'Neil Lennon, Liam Fontaine and Martin Boyle Lookalikey Competition' 😀 The Cummings lookalike was having a good fight with muffins at the time.......

[truehibernian]

I understand he made them go,fined those that didn't turn up and booted Jason in the backside for not buying his round.Some may find this hard to believe but I think it's pretty accurate as I was told by a guy who lives next door to somebody that is pals with a player's cousin.

You're probably right AH, I was probably in the bar when they had the annual 'Neil Lennon, Liam Fontaine and Martin Boyle Lookalikey Competition' 😀 The Cummings lookalike was having a food fight with muffins at the time.......

[JimBHibees]

I'm not fussed about whether the manager's interviews are free to watch or not, because all I would expect to hear are PR puff and platitudes. There won't be any insight into why he plays Gray and Stevenson out of position, or failed to bring in at least one winger in the summer, or thinks we need six defensive players in a stodgy 3-5-2 rather than play a high tempo 4-3-3.

I am fussed about whether the manager is doing his job of getting us promoted, preferably by playing good football. And recent performances (even dating back to when McGinn and Fyvie were fit) do not fill me with confidence on either of those.

I have no knowledge of the truth about Lennon's current intentions, but if he does decide to go then I want it to be about football and not the alleged personal reasons which I'd guess would be health related.

Having said all that, I'd prefer Lennon to stay for the simple reason that it would be very disruptive to change managers at this stage of the season.

It was into the assertion he was unhappy or wasn't engaged with the club. His interviews are very good and worth listening.

[Bostonhibby]

Why are some intent on making up stories which are detrimental to OUR club?
How have the charity robbers been doing recently? Things not going their way? Bit of deflection required?

Dunno?

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[blackpoolhibs]

Managers talk sheite, they tell us all what we want to hear, it's all soundbites. A manager should be judged on results and style of football, although this season its results that are paramount.

The current incumbent needs to do better, seems i say that most seasons. :rolleyes:

[Betty Boop]

Managers talk sheite, they tell us all what we want to

The current incumbent needs to do better, seems i say that most seasons. :rolleyes:
Show a little patience eh ! :greengrin

[cleanyman]

Just win the ****ing league

[blackpoolhibs]

Show a little patience eh ! :greengrin

I know, someone's been telling porkies eh? :wink:

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Why is it we will always have jam tomorrow?

Come on G, do you need reminded again? Just show a bit of patience! ;-)

[brog]

It's not just that one post though.

There are people saying Lennon is unhappy here from pages 1 & 2 of this thread.

I just don't see it. I think he has spoken with affection about us, sees us a great club and has been professional in everything he's done in his time here.

The football is crap at times but I think that's more do with this awful league we're in. It's not going to be pretty but if you think back to the QotS game at ER we were damn good.

The 2nd half of the season will be far better than the 1st.

I agree. My point was really about the guy who today kicked this whole thing off again. To go from saying he was hearing it in the corridors to saying he knows what NL's personal problem is in the space of a few posts is IMO pure fantasy. That poster having stirred the pot has now disappeared. This thread is perversely making me feel more supportive of NL!

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Come on G, do you need reminded again? Just show a bit of patience! ;-)

Should've read the rest of the thread before posting, BB beat me to it!

[blackpoolhibs]

Should've read the rest of the thread before posting, BB beat me to it!


Yip you were too impatient, imagine that eh? :wink:

[JimBHibees]

[/B]

I wish folk would give this a rest. Lennon was under contract with the TV punditry before we approached him so there was no way he could come to us straight away. We offered him the job knowing this so we can hardly criticise him for it.It was not his fault so let it go.

Totally agree. Lame area to criticise.

[silverhibee]

I know, someone's been telling porkies eh? :wink:

Are we still in the 5 year plan or the change of summer period. :greengrin

[dp00]

Anyone know why Gary Parker does the pre match interviews on more occasions than most


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[pacorosssco]

I've read a few of your posts now and I really hope you type in this pigeon English way because you are foreign, if cannot you're grasp of the English language is horrendous.

me so sorri

[ehf]

[QUOTE=ancient hibee;4890629I think it's pretty accurate as I was told by a guy who lives next door to somebody that is pals with a player's cousin.[/QUOTE]

Gospel truth, then.

[stantonhibby]

I'll probably get shot down for this but I couldn't care less.

I hope there is some truth in any speculation about him being offski because I'm sick of his boring football, non-existent tactical nouse, inability to change a team with a substitution, his baffling tactics, I could go on and on. Let's be honest, we're rank-rotten to watch and for a good while we've been a bang-average side in a pish league. How many of us are confident of even 2 points from the next 2 games? I'm not.

And I'm just gonny say it and I don't give a Tam Kite how narrow-minded it might seem. I canny take to anyone that's so instantly associated with Celtic. Struggled since the day he was appointed and I can't see it changing and I'd lose no sleep if he left tomorrow, in fact it'd quite the opposite for me. I'm fed up of listening to his opinions on Celtic in the press and I'm sick of Hibs being linked with over-the-hill huddies that played under him there.

He just doesn't fit in, the players look disjointed under him and the feel-good factor May brought has all but ran out.

Erse

[JimBHibees]

That's weird because NL has been out with the players a few times, very recently in a bar/hotel in Bruntsfield where he and certain first team players were happy to engage and chat with punters, even having little phone video clips taken. Senior players there really like NL - there's no issues in the camp between players and management.

Sounds good now need to get a few wins and get back on track.

[sleeping giant]

I've read a few of your posts now and I really hope you type in this pigeon English way because you are foreign, if not your grasp of the English language is horrendous.

Disgraceful comment.

Pity you had to edit your spelling mistakes though .

[shreevesy]

I agree. My point was really about the guy who today kicked this whole thing off again. To go from saying he was hearing it in the corridors to saying he knows what NL's personal problem is in the space of a few posts is IMO pure fantasy. That poster having stirred the pot has now disappeared. This thread is perversely making me feel more supportive of NL!
I haven't disappeared at all I just don't spend every waking hour on here and you are entitled to your opinion. I know what I know though and it isn't pure fantasy.
I'm heading out soon and won't be here for a while just in case you think I've disappeared 😬

[Andy74]

I've read a few of your posts now and I really hope you type in this pigeon English way because you are foreign, if not your grasp of the English language is horrendous.

I don't think pigeons speak English.

I've heard of pidgin English though!

[J-C]

I don't think pigeons speak English.

I've heard of pidgin English though!

Haha, that's what happens when you post at 6am and still asleep. :greengrin

[Swedish hibee]

Erse

This is a open forum.
Everyone is allowed their opinion without a nasty reply.

[WhileTheChief..]

I don't think pigeons speak English.

I've heard of pidgin English though!

Learnt something new today, always wondered where that phrase came from!

[Lago]

This is a open forum.
Everyone is allowed their opinion without a nasty reply.

Open forum yes, reply spot on.:aok:

[Baldy Foghorn]

Lennon over at the end giving the fans the thumbs up, looks like he is engaging with fans after all:aok:

[Hibby Bairn]

His reaction when Commons scored puts to bed any suggestions he "doesn't care". Seemed to also be a big "yes, ya beauty" up towards Dempster.

[the pie eater]

Lennon over at the end giving the fans the thumbs up, looks like he is engaging with fans after all:aok:

He had to do something.after the reaction from the hibs fans when he took Cummings of. Unbelievable decision by lennon. I was one of the hundreds who disagreed. A poor performance from us. End of the day 3 points. Top of league. Now to stay top.

[northstandhibby]

Lennon over at the end giving the fans the thumbs up, looks like he is engaging with fans after all:aok:

Well done Lenny :thumbsup:

A big win today, team showed bottle to go on and take all three points.

Glory Glory

[ancient hibee]

He had to do something.after the reaction from the hibs fans when he took Cummings of. Unbelievable decision by lennon. I was one of the hundreds who disagreed. A poor performance from us. End of the day 3 points. Top of league. Now to stay top.

Was it not the man be brought on who was fouled for the winning free kick?

[Northernhibee]

Job accomplished today - it doesn't matter how we get them, but three points are a must. Right back to square one if we don't win on Friday.

Well done Neil today though, I've been slating him as of late so it's only fair to give him credit when we win.

[Lee Marvin]

He had to do something.after the reaction from the hibs fans when he took Cummings of. Unbelievable decision by lennon. I was one of the hundreds who disagreed. A poor performance from us. End of the day 3 points. Top of league. Now to stay top.

Eh, this decision probably won us the game!!

Had cummings stayed on he almost certainly would have taken the free kick and probably would not have scored.

So, lennon got it right. You and I, in hindsight, were wrong

[ancient hibee]

Job accomplished today - it doesn't matter how we get them, but three points are a must. Right back to square one if we don't win on Friday.

Well done Neil today though, I've been slating him as of late so it's only fair to give him credit when we win.


UNless we draw of course which will mean we are still top surely.

[stoneyburn hibs]

With Lenny congratulating the fans today maybe we could put all this nonsense to bed and get behind the manager and players starting Friday.

[Carheenlea]

He had to do something.after the reaction from the hibs fans when he took Cummings of. Unbelievable decision by lennon. I was one of the hundreds who disagreed. A poor performance from us. End of the day 3 points. Top of league. Now to stay top.

There will be differing opinions, like the substitution of Cummings, but there is no difference of opinion on our ultimate target. Fans, player, management and board - we are all together in this in pursuing our goal for rest of season.

[Baldy Foghorn]

With Lenny congratulating the fans today maybe we could put all this nonsense to bed and get behind the manager and players starting Friday.

:top marks

[Super_JMcGinn]

Magnificent result for us today allied with the Utd score.

Sets us up for a full house against them but hopefully not a fall. If we win I think the skooshers will be right. lose and I think we'll still win it but only on points :greengrin.

I still don't think Lennon is the man for us though, the football he has us playing is really dross.

[Heisenberg]

Happy for him and the team today :thumbsup:

[the pie eater]

Was it not the man be brought on who was fouled for the winning free kick?

So that justified the decision. Again poor performances fi holt,shinnie and commons. Cummings is more than likely to score.at the end of today it is 3 points. Luv Dumbarton beating utd.

[Dashing Bob S]

Lennon's brief is to get us up. If we had been further ahead at this stage we might have seen more expressive football, but I doubt that will come now. I won't worry if we're back in the SPL next season.

[Brightside]

So that justified the decision. Again poor performances fi holt,shinnie and commons. Cummings is more than likely to score.at the end of today it is 3 points. Luv Dumbarton beating utd.

Commons had a poor game? aye ok.

[MWHIBBIES]

The booing of the sub was utterly pathetic, weren't booing him at the end were ya?

[MWHIBBIES]

So that justified the decision. Again poor performances fi holt,shinnie and commons. Cummings is more than likely to score.at the end of today it is 3 points. Luv Dumbarton beating utd.Holt wasn't poor, battled hard all day and defended well when he had to. Midfield was the problem today, 2nd to everything for the first hour.

[Super_JMcGinn]

Commons had a poor game? aye ok.

Correct me If I'm wrong but you thought Commons had a good game last week when he was invisible, I wouldn't be going by your biased opinion that's for sure.

How did your son play today Mrs H ?

[Baldy Foghorn]

Holt wasn't poor, battled hard all day and defended well when he had to. Midfield was the problem today, 2nd to everything for the first hour.

Holt battled and battled. Thought he caused them problems....

[the pie eater]

Eh, this decision probably won us the game!!

Had cummings stayed on he almost certainly would have taken the free kick and probably would not have scored.

So, lennon got it right. You and I, in hindsight, were wrong

Free kicks today kris had control. So it would still have been him that took the free kick. Anyway it's 3 points. It was another poor performance though.

[Fergos]

With Lenny congratulating the fans today maybe we could put all this nonsense to bed and get behind the manager and players starting Friday.

Agreed. Whilst we have been huffing and puffing our way through this league so far this season credit where credit is due.

We we should all be on the same side now.....beat Utd on Friday and it's game on.

Lets get this done Hibs!

GGTTH

[Hi Heid Yin]

Lennon deserves al the credit. Whatever the most critical think about his selections and tactics we beat Falkirk on their own patch, which was always going to be a big ask going on recent form and results.
Well done Neil!
Top of the league again!:flag:

[blackpoolhibs]

Free kicks today kris had control. So it would still have been him that took the free kick. Anyway it's 3 points. It was another poor performance though.

If we are sheite and win, i will take that all the way to the end of the season. Sheite and not win is when we should be moaning.

[Dashing Bob S]

This was a huge test today and we came through it. That win and that Commons goal have swung the momentum back from United to us. It might swing back -still a long season- but I'm feeling we're in driving seat again.

[JimBHibees]

He had to do something.after the reaction from the hibs fans when he took Cummings of. Unbelievable decision by lennon. I was one of the hundreds who disagreed. A poor performance from us. End of the day 3 points. Top of league. Now to stay top.

Ffs

[JimBHibees]

Correct me If I'm wrong but you thought Commons had a good game last week when he was invisible, I wouldn't be going by your biased opinion that's for sure.

How did your son play today Mrs H ?

Commons was good last week first half, got a knock second half.

[Onion]

This was a huge test today and we came through it. That win and that Commons goal have swung the momentum back from United to us. It might swing back -still a long season- but I'm feeling we're in driving seat again.

:agree: Also been a while since we ended a year top of the league with the Scottish Cup in the bag :thumbsup:.

[marleyhib]

With Lenny congratulating the fans today maybe we could put all this nonsense to bed and get behind the manager and players starting Friday.

This has to be the only way forward, I have slagged him off to be fair but it's gonna achieve nowt.

[Hibeewilly]

With Lenny congratulating the fans today maybe we could put all this nonsense to bed and get behind the manager and players starting Friday.
Well said SH agree 100%. The booing at the substitution was pathetic today. Lets sell out on Friday and show Scottish Football and anybody else who'll listen what Hibernian FC is all about!!! Lets have a great night now GGTTH

[HoboHarry]

He had to do something.after the reaction from the hibs fans when he took Cummings of. Unbelievable decision by lennon. I was one of the hundreds who disagreed. A poor performance from us. End of the day 3 points. Top of league. Now to stay top.
Did you frighten the dug when you yelled at your radio?

[Shrekko]

With Lenny congratulating the fans today maybe we could put all this nonsense to bed and get behind the manager and players starting Friday.

Exactly.

Couldn't believe what I was hearing today. Some folk need to find other ways to vent their pathetic fury or at least wait till after the game. We're in a title race- if ever we all need to be together it's now.

Maybe there is some rightful frustration but booing players and manager in a crucial game like this?? Beyond belief.

The fans were amazing the last 2 times at Falkirk- what on earth happened today?!

[GreenCastle]

Exactly.

Couldn't believe what I was hearing today. Some folk need to find other ways to vent their pathetic fury or at least wait till after the game. We're in a title race- if ever we all need to be together it's now.

Maybe there is some rightful frustration but booing players and manager in a crucial game like this?? Beyond belief.

The fans were amazing the last 2 times at Falkirk- what on earth happened today?!

It was an odd substitution as Cummings had scored and was doing fine. He's our top goal scorer - we needed a winner and others weren't playing as well.

Not quite sure how Shinnie stayed on for example.

The win and 3 points was really important though and hopefully give Commons a boost and another game for his fitness / sharpness.

[the pie eater]

Did you frighten the dug when you yelled at your radio?

I was at game today as I have been at most this season home and away. If it wisnae for games on tv i would have been at at alot more. Travel up to nearly every game. I'm not blackpool.

[Silky]

Exactly.

Couldn't believe what I was hearing today. Some folk need to find other ways to vent their pathetic fury or at least wait till after the game. We're in a title race- if ever we all need to be together it's now.

Maybe there is some rightful frustration but booing players and manager in a crucial game like this?? Beyond belief.

The fans were amazing the last 2 times at Falkirk- what on earth happened today?!

Agreed. No one has came on and admitted why or what they would have done differently. He had the gall to take off Cummings! So what? What makes Cummings the messiah? Yes the football may not be exciting, but we've been there and are still in the Championship. If it's boring, eye bleeding and hard-going but we're winning, I'm sorry but I don't give a toss. Let's back the team ffs. As someone once said, if you don't like the way we're playing, you could go to the cinema.

[blackpoolhibs]

I was at game today as I have been at most this season home and away. If it wisnae for games on tv i would have been at at alot more. Travel up to nearly every game. I'm not blackpool.


Oi you. :wink: FFS lighten up, we won we are top.:top marks there will be plenty more times to moan if i know Hibs. :devil:

[tamig]

Agreed. No one has came on and admitted why or what they would have done differently. He had the gall to take off Cummings! So what? What makes Cummings the messiah? Yes the football may not be exciting, but we've been there and are still in the Championship. If it's boring, eye bleeding and hard-going but we're winning, I'm sorry but I don't give a toss. Let's back the team ffs. As someone once said, if you don't like the way we're playing, you could go to the cinema.

Bit harsh on wee Boabby with the last bit. That is a myth that seems to have gained fact status.

[Andy74]

It was an odd substitution as Cummings had scored and was doing fine. He's our top goal scorer - we needed a winner and others weren't playing as well.

Not quite sure how Shinnie stayed on for example.

The win and 3 points was really important though and hopefully give Commons a boost and another game for his fitness / sharpness.

This is the problem though. Why would Boyle have come on for Shinnie?
Shinnie was deeper midfield and we don't have many players left in that area.

Boyle coming on was right move at the time. He won the free kick that won the game so job done.

[hibs0666]

He had to do something.after the reaction from the hibs fans when he took Cummings of. Unbelievable decision by lennon. I was one of the hundreds who disagreed. A poor performance from us. End of the day 3 points. Top of league. Now to stay top.

And you were wrong. Giruy for your utter negativity.

[Brightside]

Correct me If I'm wrong but you thought Commons had a good game last week when he was invisible, I wouldn't be going by your biased opinion that's for sure.

How did your son play today Mrs H ?

He was very good last week and this week. Involved in almost everything positive that Hibs done. Paul had a rash challenge today but fine bar that. Was excellent last week. You really need to start actually watching games without the negativity already in your mind. It may help you.

[GreenCastle]

This is the problem though. Why would Boyle have come on for Shinnie?
Shinnie was deeper midfield and we don't have many players left in that area.

Boyle coming on was right move at the time. He won the free kick that won the game so job done.

Keatings ?

Important today we win missing key players.

Like others I'm delighted we won / Utd lost but I do feel we still need to improve. Interested to see how any new players play and if we change our shape to keep other teams guessing.

[GreenNWhiteArmy]

Cany believe this thread is still on the go!

Remit at the start of the season - PROMOTION AT ALL COSTS! That to me says we don't care how the football is just so long as we top the table come may.

Dec hasn't been a great month but we're back top with a chance to open up a gap on Friday which will hopefully see a sell out in the home end

Look at Newcastle in the English championship. A far superior budget to any club in that division and yet still not romping it. Have patience my friends, class always shows and we'll build up a handsome gap over Jan/Feb

Happy New Year and best wishes for 2017 when it comes fellow hibees. 2016 has been a helluva year 💚⚽🏆

[Canon Hannan]

God bless Neil. He is a quality manager who we are lucky to have and a gent to boot. 🙏☘🇳🇬

[Lago]

:top marks
He was very good last week and this week. Involved in almost everything positive that Hibs done. Paul had a rash challenge today but fine bar that. Was excellent last week. You really need to start actually watching games without the negativity already in your mind. It may help you.

[A Hi-Bee]

Cany believe this thread is still on the go!

Remit at the start of the season - PROMOTION AT ALL COSTS! That to me says we don't care how the football is just so long as we top the table come may.

Dec hasn't been a great month but we're back top with a chance to open up a gap on Friday which will hopefully see a sell out in the home end

Look at Newcastle in the English championship. A far superior budget to any club in that division and yet still not romping it. Have patience my friends, class always shows and we'll build up a handsome gap over Jan/Feb

Happy New Year and best wishes for 2017 when it comes fellow hibees. 2016 has been a helluva year 💚⚽🏆

Well said above,
The manager will get us out of this league, don't care how he does it, and my guess would be that Neil and his backroom team will not care much how it is done as well, just as long as we get there. :flag:

[Saint Hibee]

I was at the game today and am obviously delighted with the three points. That said, I don't think it was a great performance and the real issue for me is our inability to put in good crosses from dangerous positions. If our crossing had been up to scratch (i.e. Liam Henderson standard) then the score would have been a lot more comfortable than 2-1.

[Northernhibee]

UNless we draw of course which will mean we are still top surely.

We need to win. Four points gives us insurance for when we have an off day in the future.

[Pete]

God bless Neil. He is a quality manager who we are lucky to have and a gent to boot. 🙏☘🇳🇬

:agree:

Really like the guy.

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

We need to win. Four points gives us insurance for when we have an off day in the future.

United need to win.

[greenlex]

He was very good last week and this week. Involved in almost everything positive that Hibs done. Paul had a rash challenge today but fine bar that. Was excellent last week. You really need to start actually watching games without the negativity already in your mind. It may help you.
I think that challenge had to be made and had to be made where it was too. He had been drawn too far out of position to let play continue. Worth the booking I reckon and smart recovery from him.

[147lothian]

Neil Lennon, is a big name manager, who has made big calls, and signed some pretty big players for the league were in, I just hope the doubting Thomas's who wanted to change the manager half way through the season and questioned the signing of Kris Commons start to realize this end the negativity and get behind the team for the game on Friday GGTTH

[fife hfc]

Are we the first set of fans to show dissatisfaction with a substitution? I booed as at the time I thought it was a ludicrous decision as Holt could easily have been hooked as he was contributing nothing imho. But we won and I am far from negative just thought it was the wrong decision but that what Lennon gets paid to do.

[Frazerbob]

United need to win.

Neither side NEEDS to win. I suspect it'll be the games against all the other pish that decides who goes up. Just like last year. Would be great to win though, obviously.

[Allant1981]

So that justified the decision. Again poor performances fi holt,shinnie and commons. Cummings is more than likely to score.at the end of today it is 3 points. Luv Dumbarton beating utd.

of course it justifies the decision as we won after a foul on the guy who came on, what a daft question to ask

[Ozyhibby]

The signing of Humphrey at least shows Lennon recognises our lack of pace and width, something Stubbs never managed.
We had a poor summer transfer window but once that is rectified Lennon will prove to be an excellent Hibs manager.


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[eastcoasthibby]

The most fickle fans in the country a d I am one who has his moans n groans,about team selection, players performances, tactics , etc etc but at the end if the day we need to win games and get the **** out of this league, it's tough it's ugly it's uncomfortable it's a slightly, you need to work for everything you get in this league, people say it's sh$te, maybe it us but we need to stand by the club, manager and players all the time difficult as it is, we are all HIBS ..showing dissent, unhappiness so openly at the times we do like yesterday at that place , with that manager is not the collectuveness we need to show.
We are too quick to get on everyone's backs and yes I do it , but not in such a public way, we need NL to perform and feel wanted , cos he has the fighting gritty personality that will get us out of this league and I don't care if it's ugly football. His neck is in a noose in this job and I for one think he will see us over the line, but we need to stop all the negativity towards NL, let him do his job and judge at the back of the season ..silky soccer will not win this league..

[lucky]

I can't remember Hibs ever playing well against Falkirk. They generally defend well kick us of the park and sneak a goal. Add in the horrendous weather and the ground only having 3 sides it's a nightmare place to go. But we've been twice and got 6 points. Lennon might not be everyone's favourite but all we ask off him is promotion. I'm sick off this pishy league

[Enough said]

United need to win.why mention Utd??? We are hibs we need to win

[Enough said]

Neither side NEEDS to win. I suspect it'll be the games against all the other pish that decides who goes up. Just like last year. Would be great to win though, obviously.

Course we need to win it's our biggest rivals , do you just want us draw?

[BoomtownHibees]

So that justified the decision

Clearly

[rotherhamrob]

Robbed by ridiculous refereeing decisions earlier in the season, our 2 best players out through injury 3 if you include dylans various lay offs and yet we're still top,what's not to like?
If this is how nl has decided to play to get out of this league then so be it.
If and when we do go up the style can be altered and if it isn't then I wouldn't blame people for having a pop but until then just let him get on with what he is paid to do.

[Winston Ingram]

A lot of rewriting of history in this thread re Stubbs.

He hadn't a scooby how to set up a team in this league. Stubbs only won 8 games v Championship clubs in 2016 and i don't ever remember him getting the level of stick NL's getting now.

The problems we have are mainly down to Stubbs. For the last 3 seasons we've lacked pace, width and the type of match winning creativity that the last 2 years champions had in abundance. As as result, every team in our league know that all they have to do is defend the width of the box v us and they've got a brilliant chance of getting something from the game.

What NL does deserve criticism for is his failure to watch any footage of last season, as if he did, he'd have sorted this in July. Thankfully he's beginning to address this now which Stubbs never did.

[Marco G]

I can't remember Hibs ever playing well against Falkirk. They generally defend well kick us of the park and sneak a goal. Add in the horrendous weather and the ground only having 3 sides it's a nightmare place to go. But we've been twice and got 6 points. Lennon might not be everyone's favourite but all we ask off him is promotion. I'm sick off this pishy league
Lots to agree with here! Yesterday was about a battle and we won it. End of story. How anyone can be unhappy after that beats me, but then we do have a fair range of glass half full to glass half empty supporters.

Today I aim to keep it a glass full day!

[The Harp Awakes]

NL has made us a much harder team to beat this season. Room for improvement certainly in terms of style of play and hitting the back of the net, but I don't give a monkeys really as long as we get promoted. Very confident we'll win the league and if we do it would be great to see Neil commit his future to Hibs. We're lucky to have him.

[Super_JMcGinn]

A lot of rewriting of history in this thread re Stubbs.

He hadn't a scooby how to set up a team in this league. Stubbs only won 8 games v Championship clubs in 2016 and i don't ever remember him getting the level of stick NL's getting now.

The problems we have are mainly down to Stubbs. For the last 3 seasons we've lacked pace, width and the type of match winning creativity that the last 2 years champions had in abundance. As as result, every team in our league know that all they have to do is defend the width of the box v us and they've got a brilliant chance of getting something from the game.

What NL does deserve criticism for is his failure to watch any footage of last season, as if he did, he'd have sorted this in July. Thankfully he's beginning to address this now which Stubbs never did.

Lay off the drink , Stubbs is and always will be a Legend. Every Hibs fan with half a brain knows our League form dipped because of the cup runs we had, International call offs and ultimately fixture congestion, not to mention injuries.

Lennon has only had injuries to deal with.

Happy New Year btw :flag:

[Thecat23]

A lot of rewriting of history in this thread re Stubbs.

He hadn't a scooby how to set up a team in this league. Stubbs only won 8 games v Championship clubs in 2016 and i don't ever remember him getting the level of stick NL's getting now.

The problems we have are mainly down to Stubbs. For the last 3 seasons we've lacked pace, width and the type of match winning creativity that the last 2 years champions had in abundance. As as result, every team in our league know that all they have to do is defend the width of the box v us and they've got a brilliant chance of getting something from the game.

What NL does deserve criticism for is his failure to watch any footage of last season, as if he did, he'd have sorted this in July. Thankfully he's beginning to address this now which Stubbs never did.

Reaching 2 cup finals took its toll on our league form. Playing so many games in such a short space of time along with injuries meant it was near impossible to win the lot.

Think you are being very harsh on the man who led us to Scottish Cup glory. I'd always welcome him back as manager.

[Swedish hibee]

A lot of rewriting of history in this thread re Stubbs.

Well I'd hate to think where we'd be now if we didn't have him. I think there's a lot of forgetting of what Stubbs done for us on this thread.

[Thecat23]

Well I'd hate to think where we'd be now if we didn't have him. I think there's a lot of forgetting of what Stubbs done for us on this thread.

Exactly, he rebuild the whole side from nothing and while at its lowest in many years. But seems folk would rather just brush over that.

[StevieCowan]

Can we not just see things for what they are rather than trying to find an angle.

Stubbs rebuilt the playing dept from its lowest ebb and managed to attract some top quality players, personally some of the best football witnessed since Mowbray. Led us to a Scottish cup semi final and then won us the Holy Grail.

Lennon has been given one job to do and right now he's on track to deliver. And he will deliver us the league title.

[Dashing Bob S]

Stubbs was the man to break a hoodoo of 114 years by playing expansive, exciting football, and he will always be a Hibernian legend.

However, Lennon is charged with the less glamour task of getting us back into the top tier, and I think he's probably better suited to that one. If he's successful, he'll fall short of Stubb's legendary status, but he'll have done something almost as vital for the club. It's been a fun diversion, but we really can't be spending another season down here.

[cmcd]

Stubbs was the man to break a hoodoo of 114 years by playing expansive, exciting football, and he will always be a Hibernian legend.

However, Lennon is charged with the less glamour task of getting us back into the top tier, and I think he's probably better suited to that one. If he's successful, he'll fall short of Stubb's legendary status, but he'll have done something almost as vital for the club. It's been a fun diversion, but we really can't be spending another season down here.

He's could still do the double 😊😊

[Lago]

Lay off the drink , Stubbs is and always will be a Legend. Every Hibs fan with half a brain knows our League form dipped because of the cup runs we had, International call offs and ultimately fixture congestion, not to mention injuries.

Lennon has only had injuries to deal with.

Happy New Year btw :flag:

I dont get this 'legend' stuff that appears to be Stubbs, as for the poor league form 2nd half of 2016, you certainly manage to sanitize it.

[Thecat23]

I dont get this 'legend' stuff that appears to be Stubbs, as for the poor league form 2nd half of 2016, you certainly manage to sanitize it.

He brought us the Scottish Cup while playing in the championship. Any manager who can do that is a legend.

[Thecat23]

Can we not just see things for what they are rather than trying to find an angle.

Stubbs rebuilt the playing dept from its lowest ebb and managed to attract some top quality players, personally some of the best football witnessed since Mowbray. Led us to a Scottish cup semi final and then won us the Holy Grail.

Lennon has been given one job to do and right now he's on track to deliver. And he will deliver us the league title.

Well said.

[Lago]

Exactly, he rebuild the whole side from nothing and while at its lowest in many years. But seems folk would rather just brush over that.

Dont think anyone is trying to brush over anything, but this raising him towards legend status seems to ignore many of the criticisms re his poor substitutions, always reverting to the diamond, lack of width etc etc.

[northstandhibby]

Alan Stubbs = Legend

Brought home the holy grail and humiliated the Yams on the way to winning it.

:cup:

:lolyam: :brokenyam:

Best day in life of being a hibby at the final!!! Thank you Alan Stubbs for being the manager who achieved it.

Glory Glory

[Gordy M]

Exactly, he rebuild the whole side from nothing and while at its lowest in many years. But seems folk would rather just brush over that.

Tbf i dont think folk are brushing over it. Stubbs will always be a legend at hibs, thats not even a debate. He delivered us the holy grail and greatest footballing day of my life.

What happened is that some posters have suggested they wanted Stubbs back and using him as a yardstick for Lennon and the current team. If you are gonna do that, then you have to expect folk with a different point of view to point out that Stubbs, in the league, didnt do as well as lennon has....so far.

When this thread started i had a look back at the alloa vs hibs match thread from April...makes interesting reading....a lot of critisism of stubbs and the team, most of it similar to what has been levelled at Lennon including calls for Stubbs to be sacked!!!. Thankfully that didnt happen but i think that may be what some folk may have been referring to when suggesting that the history may look kinder than the actual reality in the league.

[BoomtownHibees]

Dont think anyone is trying to brush over anything, but this raising him towards legend status seems to ignore many of the criticisms re his poor substitutions, always reverting to the diamond, lack of width etc etc.

He will always be a legend for winning the cup. There should be no argument on that, regardless of any other criticisms

[blackpoolhibs]

Tbf i dont think folk are brushing over it. Stubbs will always be a legend at hibs, thats not even a debate. He delivered us the holy grail and greatest footballing day of my life.

What happened is that some posters have suggested they wanted Stubbs back and using him as a yardstick for Lennon and the current team. If you are gonna do that, then you have to expect folk with a different point of view to point out that Stubbs, in the league, didnt do as well as lennon has....so far.

When this thread started i had a look back at the alloa vs hibs match thread from April...makes interesting reading....a lot of critisism of stubbs and the team, most of it similar to what has been levelled at Lennon including calls for Stubbs to be sacked!!!. Thankfully that didnt happen but i think that may be what some folk may have been referring to when suggesting that the history may look kinder than the actual reality.

Amen to that, :top marks and from someone who wanted Lennon but is still far from convinced he's going to do what he was brought to the club to do.

Although i live in hope, and am much happier after yesterdays result. :thumbsup: