Does anyone on here want Trump to win in November?

[Hibbyradge]

I suppose that everyone who runs for President must be pandering to their ego to some extent or another, but Trump seems to have taken it to another level.

http://huff.to/2aGeb9P

In addition, not only has he no political skills, he has no diplomacy and, I genuinely believe he is a threat to world peace and stability.

Would anyone here vote for him?

[cabbageandribs1875]

i certainly wouldn't vote for a clinton





:)

[Holmesdale Hibs]

I suppose that everyone who runs for President must be pandering to their ego to some extent or another, but Trump seems to have taken it to another level.

http://huff.to/2aGeb9P

In addition, not only has he no political skills, he has no diplomacy and, I genuinely believe he is a threat to world peace and stability.

Would anyone here vote for him?

No, but...

I think it's a good thing that someone who isn't a career politician is doing so well and could realistically be elected. It's just a shame that Trump is a ****, but if it was someone with genuine business and real-life working credentials then I think they would be able to add valuable perspective to the Harvard business school (or Oxbridge over here) political elite.

I'm trying to think of a good example, maybe Steve Jobs, Bill Gates or Richard Branson over here? Sure there are much better examples but just can't think of any. But Clinton fails to inspire which is why Trump is doing better than people thought he would.

[Bristolhibby]

Nope

[Ryan69]

I suppose that everyone who runs for President must be pandering to their ego to some extent or another, but Trump seems to have taken it to another level.

http://huff.to/2aGeb9P

In addition, not only has he no political skills, he has no diplomacy and, I genuinely believe he is a threat to world peace and stability.

Would anyone here vote for him?

How Hilary isn't in jail is beyond me!

Recieving cash for favors.(your talking hundreds of millions too)
Endangering national security.
Constant lying about pretty much everything!

Only person that can save America....Is Trump!

Not many people like Trump....But I guarantee he WOULD change America,and politics!

[CapitalGreen]

How Hilary isn't in jail is beyond me!

Recieving cash for favors.(your talking hundreds of millions too)
Endangering national security.
Constant lying about pretty much everything!

Only person that can save America....Is Trump!

Not many people like Trump....But I guarantee he WOULD change America,and politics!

The three above points could also be attributed to Trump though, no?

[Ryan69]

The three above points could also be attributed to Trump though, no?


Not really no!

[BroxburnHibee]

I honestly believe he will be elected. After George Bush nothing would surprise me.

Now he's got the nomination he needs to broaden his base to win so I expect the rhetoric that got him there will be toned down.

[Betty Boop]

I suppose that everyone who runs for President must be pandering to their ego to some extent or another, but Trump seems to have taken it to another level.

http://huff.to/2aGeb9P

In addition, not only has he no political skills, he has no diplomacy and, I genuinely believe he is a threat to world peace and stability.

Would anyone here vote for him?
I would say Hilary Clinton is just as much a threat to world peace, as Trump. I'll never forget her insane laugh when Gadaffi died, (what a success that foreign policy mission turned out to be). She's a hawk pure and simple.

[Mon Dieu4]

I'd vote Gary Johnson if I had a vote, but must admit that the unhinged side of me is curious to see how ****ed up things could get if Trump wins

[Holmesdale Hibs]

On the plus side we'd have 4 years of good satirical comedy.

[Hibbyradge]

I would say Hilary Clinton is just as much a threat to world peace, as Trump. I'll never forget her insane laugh when Gadaffi died, (what a success that foreign policy mission turned out to be). She's a hawk pure and simple.

Fair enough.

I'll put you in the pro-Trump total.

[#FromTheCapital]

Americans don't have a particularly great choice here. A huge number of them will vote Clinton to keep Trump out and vice versa, not necessarily because they want Clinton or Trump to be president.

I'm actually going to Chicago in October one month before the election so will get a much better understanding of it all from the American perspective then. Trump is getting a lot of bad press because of some of the statements he's come out with, but is he as bad as the media make out? He's got this far, so a lot of people obviously think different and not all of them are the stereotypical dumb Americans or rednecks.

Fwiw I think if he came to power, you would see a much different Donald Trump to the one we are seeing now. However I do hope that it doesn't come to that!

[cabbageandribs1875]

http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/staceydash/files/2016/05/61xGodIlcoL._UX385_.jpg

[Hibbyradge]

Americans don't have a particularly great choice here. A huge number of them will vote Clinton to keep Trump out and vice versa, not necessarily because they want Clinton or Trump to be president.

I'm actually going to Chicago in October one month before the election so will get a much better understanding of it all from the American perspective then. Trump is getting a lot of bad press because of some of the statements he's come out with, but is he as bad as the media make out? He's got this far, so a lot of people obviously think different and not all of them are the stereotypical dumb Americans or rednecks.

Fwiw I think if he came to power, you would see a much different Donald Trump to the one we are seeing now. However I do hope that it doesn't come to that!

I think he let the cat out of the bag in that video.

A refrain along the ines of, "I think she really believed me..." might heard over and over again from Trump should he win.

[GreenLake]

The devil or the deep blue sea

[Ryan69]

Its glaringly obvious that the people at the top want Clinton.
Media are paid to bad name trump and never question Clintons lies.
Protestors at Trump rallies are actually for and bused in by the Clintons too!

Look at her statement about when she arrived in Bosnia for example...supposedly under sniper fire.
Not according to the footage that was aired when she arrived she didn't!
She is an evil evil women...that's a compulsive liar!


Thousands were also turned away today from a trump rally for safety concern.....in a swing state!
They are doing everything possible to Trump Trump!

If Hilary Clinton gets in...America is in deep doodoo!

I also remember an interview she did on a talk show talking about when she was a defence attorney and she was defending this guy who quite clearly raped the women.....and she was so proud of herself bigging herself up....That the rapist walked free!

Disgusting disgusting women...The devil in disguise!

[RyeSloan]

Its glaringly obvious that the people at the top want Clinton. Media are paid to bad name trump and never question Clintons lies. Protestors at Trump rallies are actually for and bused in by the Clintons too! Look at her statement about when she arrived in Bosnia for example...supposedly under sniper fire. Not according to the footage that was aired when she arrived she didn't! She is an evil evil women...that's a compulsive liar! Thousands were also turned away today from a trump rally for safety concern.....in a swing state! They are doing everything possible to Trump Trump! If Hilary Clinton gets in...America is in deep doodoo! I also remember an interview she did on a talk show talking about when she was a defence attorney and she was defending this guy who quite clearly raped the women.....and she was so proud of herself bigging herself up....That the rapist walked free! Disgusting disgusting women...The devil in disguise!

You clearly don't like her and there is not to like on that I agree but having a go at a defence attorney for defending a case and winning is a bit odd is it not?

[Killiehibbie]

I got a bit 15/2 on trump winning. Is he any worse than her?

[calumhibee1]

Trump could go either way if elected IMO. Clinton is a much safer bet for president although I certainly wouldn't vote for her. Trump could be an absolute disaster but i genuinely think he'd make a much better attempt at stopping ISIS. The worry however would be how he'd go about that and what the aftermath would be.

[Hibbyradge]

She is an evil evil women...

Disgusting disgusting women...The devil in disguise!

:faf:

Is it because she's a woman?

[snooky]

The devil or the deep blue sea

Aye kinda like being asked "Who do you want to win the league? The Rangers or Celtic?"

[lyonhibs]

:faf:

Is it because she's a woman?

Or even multiple. She can spawn evil clones dammit!!

[IWasThere2016]

Pity the Yanks for having the choice they have. Both Trump and Clinton annoy me immensely.

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cg6wVL8WkAA02tN.jpg


spot on, i despise the clintons more than i do the huns

[cabbageandribs1875]

clinton, trump and cruz...what a line up that was/is





#prayforamerica

[Pretty Boy]

Trump will be aiming his campaign primarily at those who always want to blame someone else for their problems, much like the leave campaign did in the EU Referendum. With justification, in both cases, many of these people do have legitimate reasons to blame their limited opportunities on others. The issue is they are aiming their ire at the wrong people, the Mexicans, the Muslims, the African Americans etc etc and placing their trust in a man who would sell them down the river for a dollar. Trump doesn't give a toss about those in the former industrial heartlands any more than anyone else who has gone before. The painting of him as some anti establishment hero, just because he makes offensive remarks on a regular basis, is laughable.

It's a car crash of an election as I'm no fan of Hilary Clinton either. If I had a vote I'd probably hold my nose and vote for her as the lesser of 2 evils. Whatever happened to the optimism generated by Barack Obama 8 years ago?

[Hibs Class]

Trump will be aiming his campaign primarily at those who always want to blame someone else for their problems, much like the leave campaign did in the EU Referendum. With justification, in both cases, many of these people do have legitimate reasons to blame their limited opportunities on others. The issue is they are aiming their ire at the wrong people, the Mexicans, the Muslims, the African Americans etc etc and placing their trust in a man who would sell them down the river for a dollar. Trump doesn't give a toss about those in the former industrial heartlands any more than anyone else who has gone before. The painting of him as some anti establishment hero, just because he makes offensive remarks on a regular basis, is laughable.

It's a car crash of an election as I'm no fan of Hilary Clinton either. If I had a vote I'd probably hold my nose and vote for her as the lesser of 2 evils. Whatever happened to the optimism generated by Barack Obama 8 years ago?

Last paragraph sums it up for me. I was in the US for the first three weeks of July and watched a lot of news etc. plus the republican convention and the build up to the democrats'. I saw more than enough to convince me that only morons would vote for Trump, but sadly America has more than its fair share of them. It is difficult to find a single redeeming feature that Trump possesses, he is truly a despicable racist bigoted individual. His campaign team claim constantly that he gets undeservedly adverse media coverage, however I found the likes of CNN very balanced whilst Fox was predictably pro-Trump. I saw little in the way of pro-Clinton coverage, there was almost a sense that Clinton has many flaws but anyone is better than Trump, and that isn't a pro-establishment stance, just a recognition that Trump is genuinely a million miles away from being fit for the job.

[Hibbyradge]

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/a-neuroscientist-explains-trump-has-a-mental-disorder-that-makes-him-a-dangerous-world-leader/

[Sir David Gray]

If I was American I would vote for Hillary Clinton but it would only be because I see her as the ever so slightly better option.

[lord bunberry]

Even if he doesn't win it should be a wake up call to politicians in the US. The fact that people are prepared to vote for Trump is a sign that people are completely fed up with politicians in general. He's seen as a break from the norm and much like the brexit vote, people feel that things can't get any worse for them and they've nothing to lose. People who voted for brexit and people who vote for Trump are dismissed as right wing loonies or racists. They can't all come under that category and even if they are, they're right wing loonies or racists with a vote. Until politicians reach out to the disenfranchised voters, the rise of people like Trump and Nigel Farage will only continue.

[Hibrandenburg]

Even if he doesn't win it should be a wake up call to politicians in the US. The fact that people are prepared to vote for Trump is a sign that people are completely fed up with politicians in general. He's seen as a break from the norm and much like the brexit vote, people feel that things can't get any worse for them and they've nothing to lose. People who voted for brexit and people who vote for Trump are dismissed as right wing loonies or racists. They can't all come under that category and even if they are, they're right wing loonies or racists with a vote. Until politicians reach out to the disenfranchised voters, the rise of people like Trump and Nigel Farage will only continue.

I suppose you're right that it's a sign of a sickness in society if masses of people are willing to vote for guys like Trump or Farage. But I think there's something other than a sense of hopelessness driving it.

I think it's part of a cycle in human nature and attitude. I think these cycles start with generations that have experienced the destruction and fear of war first hand and have learned the value of human life and interaction. They pass this subconsciously on to the next generation but the experience is watered down through every generation until we get to the point that society again sees conflict as a reasonable solution to its problems.

I think we're approaching the end of that cycle.

[Hibbyradge]

I suppose you're right that it's a sign of a sickness in society if masses of people are willing to vote for guys like Trump or Farage. But I think there's something other than a sense of hopelessness driving it.

I think it's part of a cycle in human nature and attitude. I think these cycles start with generations that have experienced the destruction and fear of war first hand and have learned the value of human life and interaction. They pass this subconsciously on to the next generation but the experience is watered down through every generation until we get to the point that society again sees conflict as a reasonable solution to its problems.

I think we're approaching the end of that cycle.

Cheers me up, why don't you? :wink:

[McD]

I suppose you're right that it's a sign of a sickness in society if masses of people are willing to vote for guys like Trump or Farage. But I think there's something other than a sense of hopelessness driving it.

I think it's part of a cycle in human nature and attitude. I think these cycles start with generations that have experienced the destruction and fear of war first hand and have learned the value of human life and interaction. They pass this subconsciously on to the next generation but the experience is watered down through every generation until we get to the point that society again sees conflict as a reasonable solution to its problems.

I think we're approaching the end of that cycle.


Thats a a very profound and deep thought...also a frightening one for most of us

[s.a.m]

I suppose you're right that it's a sign of a sickness in society if masses of people are willing to vote for guys like Trump or Farage. But I think there's something other than a sense of hopelessness driving it.

I think it's part of a cycle in human nature and attitude. I think these cycles start with generations that have experienced the destruction and fear of war first hand and have learned the value of human life and interaction. They pass this subconsciously on to the next generation but the experience is watered down through every generation until we get to the point that society again sees conflict as a reasonable solution to its problems.

I think we're approaching the end of that cycle.


I've thought similar myself. I think conflict is never far away: following conflict, we expend lots of energy and time trying to find ways of avoiding it, and understanding that it's important to do so. Over time, and without serious life-changing conflict in our lives, we get complacent and underestimate what we've achieved. I think that's where we are now.

[Hibrandenburg]

Cheers me up, why don't you? :wink:

Aye, I'm a barrel of laughs on a night out :greengrin

[Hibrandenburg]

Thats a a very profound and deep thought...also a frightening one for most of us

Think I first started thinking about this in school during history lessons. It's only my strange way of interpreting the "Why" question. I'm sure you'll know the Vietnam poster that was knocking about in the 70's. That's probably what set me off, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.

[Hibrandenburg]

I've thought similar myself. I think conflict is never far away: following conflict, we expend lots of energy and time trying to find ways of avoiding it, and understanding that it's important to do so. Over time, and without serious life-changing conflict in our lives, we get complacent and underestimate what we've achieved. I think that's where we are now.

:agree: There's probably a population/resources equation thrown into the formula somewhere as well.

[Pretty Boy]

It's certainly an interesting theory. It's probably worth saying though that since 'the war to end all wars' Britain has been involved in:

1918 - 1920 - Estonian war of independence
1918 - 1920 - Latvian war of independence
1918 - 1920 - Russian civil war
1919 - 1923 - Turkish war of independence
1919 - 3rd Anglo- Afghan war
1919 - 1920 - Irish war of independence
1920 - Somalia campaign
1920 - Great Iraqi revolution
1923 - Adwan revolution
1927 - 1930 - Ikwhan revolt
1936 - 1939 - Great Arab revolt in Palestine
1938- 1948 - Jewish insurgency in Palestine
1939 - 1940 - S-Plan
1939 - 1945 - WW2
1942 - 1944 - Northern Campaign
1944 - 1948 - Greek civil war
1945 - 1949 - Indonesian Revolution
1945 - 1946 - Operation Masterdon
1946 - 1948 - Corfu Channel Incident
1948 - 1960 - Malayan emergency
1950 - 1953 - Korean War
1951 - 1952 - Anglo - Egyptian war
1952 - 1960 - Mau Mau uprising
1954 - 1958 - Jekel Akhdar War
1955 - 1959 - Cyprus emergency
1956 - 1957 - Suez Crisis
1956 - 1962 - Border campaign
1958 - 1961 - 1st Cod war
1962 - 1966 - Indonesia - Malaysia confrontation
1962 - 1975 - Dhofar rebellion
1963 - 1967 - Aden emergnecy
1967 - 1970 - Nigerian civil war
1968 - 1998 - The 'Troubles'
1972 - 1973 - 2nd Cod war
1975 - 1976 - 3rd Cod war
1982 - Falklands conflict
1982 - 1984 - Lebanon
1991 - Gulf War
1992 - 1996 - Bosnian war
1998 - Desert Fox
1998 - 1999 - Kosovo war
2000 - 2002 - Sierra Leone civil war
2001 - 2014 - Afghan war
2003 - 2009 - Iraq war
2011 - Libyan civil war
2014 - ? - Multinational force against IS

Post WW2 the UK has lost over 4500 service personel. I'm being deliberately obtuse of course but we have been almost permanently involved in conflict for the entirity of the 20th and 21st century with some of the most bloody since 1945, with the biggest impact at home, coming in recent years. I would agree that since the 'end' of the cold war the threat of imminent global conflict had lessened to some extent. Maybe war and all that goes with it has been glamourised somewhat in film, computer game and the gutter press to the extent it now seems desireable?

[ihibs7]

I suppose that everyone who runs for President must be pandering to their ego to some extent or another, but Trump seems to have taken it to another level.

http://huff.to/2aGeb9P

In addition, not only has he no political skills, he has no diplomacy and, I genuinely believe he is a threat to world peace and stability.

Would anyone here vote for him?

I think he'd be a ****** scream as president. Sort of like berlesconi but on a completely nuttier scale.


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[Ryan69]

Trump as president is terrifying....But who else would sort out ISIS on the other hand?

Going with Clinton.....Is accepting that you don't give a **** what people say and do with such an incredible track record!
look at her,listen to her....she is a sick woman.

This is all about control,and voting Hillary is keeping the agenda in place!

Trump is not part of that club!

do you honestly believe this refugee crisis happened by accident...We were warned over 2 years ago about this!

This agenda in the world sucks!

people need to wake up....Before the final throw of the dice is thrown!!!

[Ryan69]

I suppose that everyone who runs for President must be pandering to their ego to some extent or another, but Trump seems to have taken it to another level.

http://huff.to/2aGeb9P

In addition, not only has he no political skills, he has no diplomacy and, I genuinely believe he is a threat to world peace and stability.

Would anyone here vote for him?

look at the world at the moment...is their peace?

a lot of countries are testing the water,a lot of places on knife-edge,religion at war(Islam....on everyone!!!!) and most importantly media controlling and dictating things!

The world is the most dangerous it's ever been probably!

People have no respect for the own life or others.....Are very dangerous people!

has Hillary even mentioned her idea behind it?
or as expected...Not really give a ****!

[Hibbyradge]

Going with Clinton.....Is accepting that you don't give a **** what people say and do with such an incredible track record!
look at her,listen to her....she is a sick woman

In which ways is she a sick woman?

[Pretty Boy]

The Harvard Republican Club:

Dear Members and Alumni,

In every presidential election since 1888, the members and Executive Board of the Harvard Republican Club have gathered to discuss, debate, and eventually endorse the standard-bearer of our party. But for the first time in 128 years, we, the oldest College Republicans chapter in the nation, will not be endorsing the Republican nominee.

Donald Trump holds views that are antithetical to our values not only as Republicans, but as Americans. The rhetoric he espouses –from racist slander to misogynistic taunts– is not consistent with our conservative principles, and his repeated mocking of the disabled and belittling of the sacrifices made by prisoners of war, Gold Star families, and Purple Heart recipients is not only bad politics, but absurdly cruel.

If enacted, Donald Trump’s platform would endanger our security both at home and abroad. Domestically, his protectionist trade policies and draconian immigration restrictions would enlarge our federal deficit, raise prices for consumers, and throw our economy back into recession. Trump’s global outlook, steeped in isolationism, is considerably out-of-step with the traditional Republican stance as well. The flippancy with which he is willing to abdicate the United States’ responsibility to lead is alarming. Calling for the US’ withdrawal from NATO and actively endorsing nuclear proliferation, Donald Trump’s foreign policy would wreak havoc on the established world order which has held aggressive foreign powers in check since World War II.

Perhaps most importantly, however, Donald Trump simply does not possess the temperament and character necessary to lead the United States through an increasingly perilous world. The last week should have made obvious to all what has been obvious to most for more than a year. In response to any slight –perceived or real– Donald Trump lashes out viciously and irresponsibly. In Trump’s eyes, disagreement with his actions or his policies warrants incessant name calling and derision: stupid, lying, fat, ugly, weak, failing, idiot –and that’s just his “fellow” Republicans.

He isn’t eschewing political correctness. He is eschewing basic human decency.

Donald Trump, despite spending more than a year on the campaign trail, has either refused or been unable to educate himself on issues that matter most to Americans like us. He speaks only in platitudes, about greatness, success, and winning. Time and time again, Trump has demonstrated his complete lack of knowledge on critical matters, meandering from position to position over the course of the election. When confronted about these frequent reversals, Trump lies in a manner more brazen and shameless than anything politics has ever seen.

Millions of people across the country are feeling despondent. Their hours have been cut, wages slashed, jobs even shipped overseas. But Donald Trump doesn’t have a plan to fix that. He has a plan to exploit that.

Donald Trump is a threat to the survival of the Republic. His authoritarian tendencies and flirtations with fascism are unparalleled in the history of our democracy. He hopes to divide us by race, by class, and by religion, instilling enough fear and anxiety to propel himself to the White House. He is looking to to pit neighbor against neighbor, friend against friend, American against American. We will not stand for this vitriolic rhetoric that is poisoning our country and our children.

President Reagan called on us to maintain this, our shining city on a hill. He called on us to maintain freedom abroad by keeping a strong presence in the world. He called on us to maintain liberty at home by upholding the democratic process and respecting our opponents. He called on us to maintain decency in our hearts by loving our neighbor.

He would be ashamed of Donald Trump. We are too.

This fall, we will instead focus our efforts on reclaiming the Republican Party from those who have done it considerable harm, campaigning for candidates who will uphold the conservative principles that have defined the Republican Party for generations. We will work to ensure both chambers of Congress remain in Republican hands, continuing to protect against executive overreach regardless of who wins the election this November.

We call on our party’s elected leaders to renounce their support of Donald Trump, and urge our fellow College Republicans to join us in condemning and withholding their endorsement from this dangerous man. The conservative movement in America should not and will not go quietly into the night.

A longtime student of American democracy, Alexis de Tocqueville once said, “America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.”

De Tocqueville believed in the United States. Americans are a decent people. We work hard, protect our own, and look out for one another in times of need, regardless of the color of our skin, the God we worship, or our party registration. Donald Trump may not believe in that America, but we do. And that America will never cease to be great.

The Harvard Republican Club

[s.a.m]

It's certainly an interesting theory. It's probably worth saying though that since 'the war to end all wars' Britain has been involved in:

1918 - 1920 - Estonian war of independence
1918 - 1920 - Latvian war of independence
1918 - 1920 - Russian civil war
1919 - 1923 - Turkish war of independence
1919 - 3rd Anglo- Afghan war
1919 - 1920 - Irish war of independence
1920 - Somalia campaign
1920 - Great Iraqi revolution
1923 - Adwan revolution
1927 - 1930 - Ikwhan revolt
1936 - 1939 - Great Arab revolt in Palestine
1938- 1948 - Jewish insurgency in Palestine
1939 - 1940 - S-Plan
1939 - 1945 - WW2
1942 - 1944 - Northern Campaign
1944 - 1948 - Greek civil war
1945 - 1949 - Indonesian Revolution
1945 - 1946 - Operation Masterdon
1946 - 1948 - Corfu Channel Incident
1948 - 1960 - Malayan emergency
1950 - 1953 - Korean War
1951 - 1952 - Anglo - Egyptian war
1952 - 1960 - Mau Mau uprising
1954 - 1958 - Jekel Akhdar War
1955 - 1959 - Cyprus emergency
1956 - 1957 - Suez Crisis
1956 - 1962 - Border campaign
1958 - 1961 - 1st Cod war
1962 - 1966 - Indonesia - Malaysia confrontation
1962 - 1975 - Dhofar rebellion
1963 - 1967 - Aden emergnecy
1967 - 1970 - Nigerian civil war
1968 - 1998 - The 'Troubles'
1972 - 1973 - 2nd Cod war
1975 - 1976 - 3rd Cod war
1982 - Falklands conflict
1982 - 1984 - Lebanon
1991 - Gulf War
1992 - 1996 - Bosnian war
1998 - Desert Fox
1998 - 1999 - Kosovo war
2000 - 2002 - Sierra Leone civil war
2001 - 2014 - Afghan war
2003 - 2009 - Iraq war
2011 - Libyan civil war
2014 - ? - Multinational force against IS

Post WW2 the UK has lost over 4500 service personel. I'm being deliberately obtuse of course but we have been almost permanently involved in conflict for the entirity of the 20th and 21st century with some of the most bloody since 1945, with the biggest impact at home, coming in recent years. I would agree that since the 'end' of the cold war the threat of imminent global conflict had lessened to some extent. Maybe war and all that goes with it has been glamourised somewhat in film, computer game and the gutter press to the extent it now seems desireable?

Most of those wars / conflicts were fairly peripheral to the existence of the general population in the western world, though. Life went on as normal for the majority of folk, and they were able to lie in their beds safe in the knowledge that the sacrificing of life and destruction of infrastructure was happening well away from them. It would be interesting to compare attitudes of people here with people in some of those conflict zones. At the time of the Iraq invasion, I wondered if the USA enthusiasm for invasion and occupation and lack of concern for post-conflict planning, compared with European governments, reflected the fact that mainland Europe has suffered occupation in living memory, and the USA has never had to deal with that, or its aftermath.

[Hibrandenburg]

The Harvard Republican Club:

Dear Members and Alumni,

In every presidential election since 1888, the members and Executive Board of the Harvard Republican Club have gathered to discuss, debate, and eventually endorse the standard-bearer of our party. But for the first time in 128 years, we, the oldest College Republicans chapter in the nation, will not be endorsing the Republican nominee.

Donald Trump holds views that are antithetical to our values not only as Republicans, but as Americans. The rhetoric he espouses –from racist slander to misogynistic taunts– is not consistent with our conservative principles, and his repeated mocking of the disabled and belittling of the sacrifices made by prisoners of war, Gold Star families, and Purple Heart recipients is not only bad politics, but absurdly cruel.

If enacted, Donald Trump’s platform would endanger our security both at home and abroad. Domestically, his protectionist trade policies and draconian immigration restrictions would enlarge our federal deficit, raise prices for consumers, and throw our economy back into recession. Trump’s global outlook, steeped in isolationism, is considerably out-of-step with the traditional Republican stance as well. The flippancy with which he is willing to abdicate the United States’ responsibility to lead is alarming. Calling for the US’ withdrawal from NATO and actively endorsing nuclear proliferation, Donald Trump’s foreign policy would wreak havoc on the established world order which has held aggressive foreign powers in check since World War II.

Perhaps most importantly, however, Donald Trump simply does not possess the temperament and character necessary to lead the United States through an increasingly perilous world. The last week should have made obvious to all what has been obvious to most for more than a year. In response to any slight –perceived or real– Donald Trump lashes out viciously and irresponsibly. In Trump’s eyes, disagreement with his actions or his policies warrants incessant name calling and derision: stupid, lying, fat, ugly, weak, failing, idiot –and that’s just his “fellow” Republicans.

He isn’t eschewing political correctness. He is eschewing basic human decency.

Donald Trump, despite spending more than a year on the campaign trail, has either refused or been unable to educate himself on issues that matter most to Americans like us. He speaks only in platitudes, about greatness, success, and winning. Time and time again, Trump has demonstrated his complete lack of knowledge on critical matters, meandering from position to position over the course of the election. When confronted about these frequent reversals, Trump lies in a manner more brazen and shameless than anything politics has ever seen.

Millions of people across the country are feeling despondent. Their hours have been cut, wages slashed, jobs even shipped overseas. But Donald Trump doesn’t have a plan to fix that. He has a plan to exploit that.

Donald Trump is a threat to the survival of the Republic. His authoritarian tendencies and flirtations with fascism are unparalleled in the history of our democracy. He hopes to divide us by race, by class, and by religion, instilling enough fear and anxiety to propel himself to the White House. He is looking to to pit neighbor against neighbor, friend against friend, American against American. We will not stand for this vitriolic rhetoric that is poisoning our country and our children.

President Reagan called on us to maintain this, our shining city on a hill. He called on us to maintain freedom abroad by keeping a strong presence in the world. He called on us to maintain liberty at home by upholding the democratic process and respecting our opponents. He called on us to maintain decency in our hearts by loving our neighbor.

He would be ashamed of Donald Trump. We are too.

This fall, we will instead focus our efforts on reclaiming the Republican Party from those who have done it considerable harm, campaigning for candidates who will uphold the conservative principles that have defined the Republican Party for generations. We will work to ensure both chambers of Congress remain in Republican hands, continuing to protect against executive overreach regardless of who wins the election this November.

We call on our party’s elected leaders to renounce their support of Donald Trump, and urge our fellow College Republicans to join us in condemning and withholding their endorsement from this dangerous man. The conservative movement in America should not and will not go quietly into the night.

A longtime student of American democracy, Alexis de Tocqueville once said, “America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.”

De Tocqueville believed in the United States. Americans are a decent people. We work hard, protect our own, and look out for one another in times of need, regardless of the color of our skin, the God we worship, or our party registration. Donald Trump may not believe in that America, but we do. And that America will never cease to be great.

The Harvard Republican Club

Whilst that is an intellectually excellent statement and gesture from the elite Harvard Republican Club, it will be received by Trump voters like George V's support for the Tsar amongst the Bolsheviks.

[Hibbyradge]

Whilst that is an intellectually excellent statement and gesture from the elite Harvard Republican Club, it will be received by Trump voters like George V's support for the Tsar amongst the Bolsheviks.

That's very likely, I agree.

Where it might have more significant resonance is with party officials and the right wing media.

It's a devastating commentary.

[Smartie]

I'd vote Gary Johnson if I had a vote, but must admit that the unhinged side of me is curious to see how ****ed up things could get if Trump wins

Until I'd read this post I'd never heard of Gary Johnson. I don't follow American politics particularly closely but I genuinely didn't know that this wasn't a two horse race.

I've spent the last 10 minutes or so reading up on Gary Johnson and he seems a decent sort with a perfectly sensible set of policies behind him that should (in theory) appeal to a lot of people. Certainly I could see his comments on racial discrimination in the USA (simply acknowledging that it exists and that it has been a wake-up call for him to acknowledge this) potentially gathering huge backing for him.

Is the reason he is largely overlooked mainly because people in the USA vote tactically? Would they rather vote Clinton to prevent Trump getting in, even though they agree with Johnson more?

If I were voting I would 100% be voting for Johnson, based only on my 10 minutes research. I know much, much more about Trump and Clinton and I know for a fact that I know enough to hate them both equally.

[Smartie]

Trump could go either way if elected IMO. Clinton is a much safer bet for president although I certainly wouldn't vote for her. Trump could be an absolute disaster but i genuinely think he'd make a much better attempt at stopping ISIS. The worry however would be how he'd go about that and what the aftermath would be.

The most positive thing you could say is that he would make a more concerted effort at dealing with ISIS.

His approach would undoubtedly be more gung-ho but his scant disregard for the aftermath and the "bull in a China shop" way he'd go about it mean that for me it would in no way be a better attempt at stopping ISIS than we currently have. For me the situation over there is a powder keg, a real lose/ lose situation and I don't know if anyone really has proper answers about what the right thing to do actually is.

It's the lack of intelligent thought about "how to go about it" and "how to deal with aftermath" in Iraq that has led to ISIS.

More of that crap - only worse - is the last thing we need.

[Mon Dieu4]

Until I'd read this post I'd never heard of Gary Johnson. I don't follow American politics particularly closely but I genuinely didn't know that this wasn't a two horse race.

I've spent the last 10 minutes or so reading up on Gary Johnson and he seems a decent sort with a perfectly sensible set of policies behind him that should (in theory) appeal to a lot of people. Certainly I could see his comments on racial discrimination in the USA (simply acknowledging that it exists and that it has been a wake-up call for him to acknowledge this) potentially gathering huge backing for him.

Is the reason he is largely overlooked mainly because people in the USA vote tactically? Would they rather vote Clinton to prevent Trump getting in, even though they agree with Johnson more?

If I were voting I would 100% be voting for Johnson, based only on my 10 minutes research. I know much, much more about Trump and Clinton and I know for a fact that I know enough to hate them both equally.

You always get independent candidates in the US elections but normally it's them that are the bams, in the 40s and 60s a couple of very racist candidates came forward, they normally don't have a look in, suppose it's the equivalent of the Lib Dems at a general election in that only one of two is ever going to win

Some people this time are voting tactically and going for the so called lesser of two evils, but Johnson is the only half decent candidate out there this time, he seems to talk real sense

[SHODAN]

If I was in America I'd hold my nose and vote for Clinton. Trump is the closest thing this generation would see to a major Western fascist leader.

[Ozymandias]

Trump as president is terrifying....But who else would sort out ISIS on the other hand?

Going with Clinton.....Is accepting that you don't give a **** what people say and do with such an incredible track record!
look at her,listen to her....she is a sick woman.

This is all about control,and voting Hillary is keeping the agenda in place!

Trump is not part of that club!

do you honestly believe this refugee crisis happened by accident...We were warned over 2 years ago about this!

This agenda in the world sucks!

people need to wake up....Before the final throw of the dice is thrown!!!


look at the world at the moment...is their peace?

a lot of countries are testing the water,a lot of places on knife-edge,religion at war(Islam....on everyone!!!!) and most importantly media controlling and dictating things!

The world is the most dangerous it's ever been probably!

People have no respect for the own life or others.....Are very dangerous people!

has Hillary even mentioned her idea behind it?
or as expected...Not really give a ****!

There was a poster on here in the past who had a very similar posting style and standpoint as yourself. HKHibby he was called, but that's by-the-by.

I'd be interested to see some of your specific reasons for wanting Trump to win, as you seem to have some positive feelings toward him rather than basing it solely on anti-Clinton.

Which of his specific policies do you find attractive? You ask "Who else will sort out ISIS?" - what specifically do you think he will do? Do you agree with his rhetoric on building the wall - how specifically will he get Mexico to pay for it? What is your take on Trump asking why the US doesn't use "1st strike" nuclear capability as a viable option? How do you feel about Trump telling Pence his role as VP will be "to manage foreign and domestic policy"?

[JimBHibees]

Its glaringly obvious that the people at the top want Clinton.
Media are paid to bad name trump and never question Clintons lies.
Protestors at Trump rallies are actually for and bused in by the Clintons too!

Look at her statement about when she arrived in Bosnia for example...supposedly under sniper fire.
Not according to the footage that was aired when she arrived she didn't!
She is an evil evil women...that's a compulsive liar!


Thousands were also turned away today from a trump rally for safety concern.....in a swing state!
They are doing everything possible to Trump Trump!

If Hilary Clinton gets in...America is in deep doodoo!

I also remember an interview she did on a talk show talking about when she was a defence attorney and she was defending this guy who quite clearly raped the women.....and she was so proud of herself bigging herself up....That the rapist walked free!

Disgusting disgusting women...The devil in disguise!

You must be very selective in what you believe in to think Clinton would be more dangerous to the world than Trump. Wall to keep Mexicans out, Muslims kicked out the Country.

[Hibbyradge]

Oh oh...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/07/trump-may-go-before-court-over-deal-that-deprived-us-treasury-of/

[Hibbyradge]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/08/trump-national-security-neocons-freaking-out-republicans?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+main+NEW+H+categories&utm_term=185219&subid=16631905&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

[Holmesdale Hibs]

You must be very selective in what you believe in to think Clinton would be more dangerous to the world than Trump. Wall to keep Mexicans out, Muslims kicked out the Country.

I actually don't have a problem with the wall itself, surely it's just another form of border control. You could argue (probably successfully) that's it's unnecessary, a waste of money, and both unrealistic and cheeky as **** to say Mexicans will pay for it, but if they want to build a wall along their border then that's fair enough. My main issue is the language Trump has used to describe Mexicans, and others, is unacceptable.

I'm certainly not writing this in support of Trump. I agree he's more dangerous than Clinton and I've posted before that I'd never vote for him. I've just never understood the fuss around building a wall when ever country in the world enforces some form of border control.

[Smartie]

I actually don't have a problem with the wall itself, surely it's just another form of border control. You could argue (probably successfully) that's it's unnecessary, a waste of money, and both unrealistic and cheeky as **** to say Mexicans will pay for it, but if they want to build a wall along their border then that's fair enough. My main issue is the language Trump has used to describe Mexicans, and others, is unacceptable.

I'm certainly not writing this in support of Trump. I agree he's more dangerous than Clinton and I've posted before that I'd never vote for him. I've just never understood the fuss around building a wall when ever country in the world enforces some form of border control.

I'm glad it's not just me!

I don't know this for sure but I bet it's bloody hard to get from Mexico to the USA illegally. Yes, it will be possible, desperate people will always find a way but there will already be fences, armed guards, the lot and you will have to work bloody hard to get past it.

Is a wall going to be any more effective? I highly doubt it.

I think it more about the iconic, metaphorical significance of a wall that would appeal to the smallest of small minds in the USA, like Trump's.

As you say, there's nothing wrong with strict border control. The language of hate that he (and many others around the world) are choosing to use is a different matter altogether.

[Ozymandias]

I actually don't have a problem with the wall itself, surely it's just another form of border control. You could argue (probably successfully) that's it's unnecessary, a waste of money, and both unrealistic and cheeky as **** to say Mexicans will pay for it, but if they want to build a wall along their border then that's fair enough. My main issue is the language Trump has used to describe Mexicans, and others, is unacceptable.

I'm certainly not writing this in support of Trump. I agree he's more dangerous than Clinton and I've posted before that I'd never vote for him. I've just never understood the fuss around building a wall when ever country in the world enforces some form of border control.

Aside from the overt racism surrounding the wall, there are some very genuine reasons for not having it:
- I have read (sorry no source handy) that the net migrant flow is to Mexico. The lax border controls southwards mean that people can work, then return to families in Mexico. A wall could/would strand them
- Cost. Mexico wont pay. In a delicate financial position, is a 2000 mile wall good use of public money
- Routes - People will find a way, and the opportunity for people trafficking surely increases
- Economy - like here, sections of the economy need cheap labour to compete

[SkintHibby]

Trump is on record as saying he wants to work with Putin to defeat ISIS. I want to see the US and Russia mend ties and I see Trump as the man to help achieve that.

I despise Hillary Clinton with every fibre of my being. She is a despicable woman.

Trump for me!

[Hibs Class]

Trump is on record as saying he wants to work with Putin to defeat ISIS. I want to see the US and Russia mend ties and I see Trump as the man to help achieve that.

I despise Hillary Clinton with every fibre of my being. She is a despicable woman.

Trump for me!

Trump is on record as saying a lot of things, most of which mainly serve to underline why he is unfit for any public office, and especially the US presidency. The only positive thing that can really be said about him is that he does have a broad appeal to a wide range of idiots.

[Hibbyradge]

Trump is on record as saying he wants to work with Putin to defeat ISIS. I want to see the US and Russia mend ties and I see Trump as the man to help achieve that.

I despise Hillary Clinton with every fibre of my being. She is a despicable woman.

Trump for me!

What has HC specifically done or said to make you feel that way?

[SkintHibby]

Trump is on record as saying a lot of things, most of which mainly serve to underline why he is unfit for any public office, and especially the US presidency. The only positive thing that can really be said about him is that he does have a broad appeal to a wide range of idiots.

Thanks very much! :rolleyes:

[SkintHibby]

What has HC specifically done or said to make you feel that way?

She hooped with joy at the deaths of Bin Laden and Gaddafi. She is a sadistic evil evil woman.

She is also an habitual liar and a criminal.
I look at her and it makes me weep knowing she is going to be president of the most powerful country on Earth.

I hate her with a passion.

I would liked to have seen Bernie Sanders as president.

Oh and one last thing - The USA always says North Korea is a communist dictatorship that is run by one family. Well I consider the USA as a capitalist dictatorship run by two families - the Clinton's and the Bush's. It's typical American double standards.

[CropleyWasGod]

She hooped with joy at the deaths of Bin Laden and Gaddafi. She is a sadistic evil evil woman.

She is also an habitual liar and a criminal.
I look at her and it makes me weep knowing she is going to be president of the most powerful country on Earth.

I hate her with a passion.

I would liked to have seen Bernie Sanders as president.

Oh and one last thing - The USA always says North Korea is a communist dictatorship that is run by one family. Well I consider the USA as a capitalist dictatorship run by two families - the Clinton's and the Bush's. It's typical American double standards.

It's fair to say that a lot of people felt that way. I don't envy the choice that Americans have now.

However, Hilary as criminal? Do you mean the Whitewater case? She wasn't even charged in that.

As for your last bit....apart from the casual xenophobia :wink:..... Nixon used to think that America was run by the Kennedys. People will always have those views, but, if there is a cabal running the US, it's much more complicated than just 2 families.

[Ozymandias]

She hooped with joy at the deaths of Bin Laden and Gaddafi. She is a sadistic evil evil woman.

She is also an habitual liar and a criminal.
I look at her and it makes me weep knowing she is going to be president of the most powerful country on Earth.

I hate her with a passion.

I would liked to have seen Bernie Sanders as president.

Oh and one last thing - The USA always says North Korea is a communist dictatorship that is run by one family. Well I consider the USA as a capitalist dictatorship run by two families - the Clinton's and the Bush's. It's typical American double standards.

That is an interesting reply.

With relation to Bin Laden and Gaddafi, I haven’t seen thecoverage of her doing that and whilst poor taste, if you’re Secretary of Statein a country who has suffered direct loss (regardless of the provenance of theconflict in the first place) from these people a bit of pleasure at the death of people who are killing your citizens is maybe not unwarranted, particularly withoutthe benefit of hindsight.

Trump, according to Politifact, who cover the truth ofpolitical claims made by candidates, is telling a whopping 69% lies, whereasHillary is at (if I recall correctly) 23%. Neither is a statistic to take muchpleasure from, but if you’re deciding on the basis of truth being proffered,The Donald is miles and miles ahead in the deceit stakes.

I agree with you on Bernie.

The North Korea / US comparison is, without being tooinsulting I hope, pretty lazy and glib. Ask yourself where you would prefer to live.

Neither main candidate in the US election is inspiring, but Trumpis enormously and seriously dangerous. Remember in the past few days he has suggestedhe’d put a moratorium on regulation of business. Welcome pollution, corruption,graft and bank fat cats again.

Clinton may be pretty awful, but give me her any dayover a narcissitic, fantasising sociopath.

[snooky]

Strong language but worth a listen.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CceQISThDYQ

[SkintHibby]

That is an interesting reply.

With relation to Bin Laden and Gaddafi, I haven’t seen thecoverage of her doing that and whilst poor taste, if you’re Secretary of Statein a country who has suffered direct loss (regardless of the provenance of theconflict in the first place) from these people a bit of pleasure at the death of people who are killing your citizens is maybe not unwarranted, particularly withoutthe benefit of hindsight.

Trump, according to Politifact, who cover the truth ofpolitical claims made by candidates, is telling a whopping 69% lies, whereasHillary is at (if I recall correctly) 23%. Neither is a statistic to take muchpleasure from, but if you’re deciding on the basis of truth being proffered,The Donald is miles and miles ahead in the deceit stakes.

I agree with you on Bernie.

The North Korea / US comparison is, without being tooinsulting I hope, pretty lazy and glib. Ask yourself where you would prefer to live.

Neither main candidate in the US election is inspiring, but Trumpis enormously and seriously dangerous. Remember in the past few days he has suggestedhe’d put a moratorium on regulation of business. Welcome pollution, corruption,graft and bank fat cats again.

Clinton may be pretty awful, but give me her any dayover a narcissitic, fantasising sociopath.

Osama Bin Laden was directly involved in the death of over 2000 innocent Americans.

Countless AMERICAN presidents have been directly involved of the death of MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of innocent civilians.

Do you see the discrepancy here?

[Hibbyradge]

Clinton "whooping" as Bin Laden killed. (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/130501075930-01-osama-death-super-169.jpg)

Clinton laughing at news of Gaddafi's death (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn6yktWU5qA). I don't like to see that sort of reaction from politician's, but, to be fair, his death hadn't even been confirmed.

In any case, her bad taste remarks pale into insignificance compared to what Gaddafi did and what his killers did to him (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNlFZf_yAto&oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DM NlFZf_yAto&has_verified=1).

[SkintHibby]

Clinton "whooping" as Bin Laden killed. (http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/130501075930-01-osama-death-super-169.jpg)

Clinton laughing at news of Gaddafi's death (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn6yktWU5qA). I don't like to see that sort of reaction from politician's, but, to be fair, his death hadn't even been confirmed.

In any case, her bad taste remarks pale into insignificance compared to what Gaddafi did and to what his killers did to him (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNlFZf_yAto&oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DM NlFZf_yAto&has_verified=1).

Gaddafi was a great president of Libya who spread the oil wealth amongst his people instead of handing it over to the French, British and Americans. You really should look beyond western propaganda that even Goebbels would have proud of.

It's very sad how many people in western Europe and North America are programmed by the media to tell us that Russia, North Korea, China and Muslims are evil.

If you want to read about evil try reading Rogue State (a guide to the worlds only superpower) by William Blum.:agree:

[Hibbyradge]

Gaddafi was a great president of Libya who spread the oil wealth amongst his people instead of handing it over to the French, British and Americans. You really should look beyond western propaganda that even Goebbels would have proud of.

It's very sad how many people in western Europe and North America are programmed by the media to tell us that Russia, North Korea, China and Muslims are evil.

If you want to read about evil try reading Rogue State (a guide to the worlds only superpower) by William Blum.:agree:

I was answering your propaganda points about Hilary Clinton.

[SkintHibby]

I was answering your propaganda points about Hilary Clinton.

I'm bowing out of this before I lose the plot.

I want world peace for my and others children and I genuinely only see the US as the real threat to that due to their hegemony.

I always look at the "least worst war mongering" presidential candidate and in this case, I see it as Trump.:agree:

[Hibbyradge]

I'm bowing out of this before I lose the plot.

I want world peace for my and others children and I genuinely only see the US as the real threat to that due to their hegemony.

I always look at the "least worst war mongering" presidential candidate and in this case, I see it as Trump.:agree:

That's a surprising conclusion.

"If we have nuclear weapons, why can't we use them?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-republican-party-nuclear-weapons-terrified-national-security-experts-quite-rightly-a7180841.html%3famp?client=ms-android-samsung

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

Gaddafi was a great president of Libya who spread the oil wealth amongst his people instead of handing it over to the French, British and Americans. You really should look beyond western propaganda that even Goebbels would have proud of.

It's very sad how many people in western Europe and North America are programmed by the media to tell us that Russia, North Korea, China and Muslims are evil.

If you want to read about evil try reading Rogue State (a guide to the worlds only superpower) by William Blum.:agree:

Ive read that, its a decent read.

However, US/ western hegemony, despite its flaws is preferable to any other.

I always think of churchills quote about democracy.

[Ozymandias]

Osama Bin Laden was directly involved in the death of over 2000 innocent Americans.

Countless AMERICAN presidents have been directly involved of the death of MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of innocent civilians.

Do you see the discrepancy here?

Absolutely, and I specifically said "regardless of the provenance of the conflict". The grief porn the world indulges in when there is an atrocity in France compared to, say, and equal number of deaths by terrorism in somewhere like Kandahar or Kabul is hugely unpleasant but not surprising because we happen to live in the West and can therefore empathise more easily with Paris than somewhere in Pakistan.

And is it really MILLIONS upon MILLIONS, certainly post WW2 directly (and solely) at the hands of US Presidents - excessive hyperbolic claims don't really aid your argument.

Your point also doesn't really answer why Trump would be less of a hawk than Hillary.

[Ozymandias]

Gaddafi was a great president of Libya who spread the oil wealth amongst his people instead of handing it over to the French, British and Americans. You really should look beyond western propaganda that even Goebbels would have proud of.

It's very sad how many people in western Europe and North America are programmed by the media to tell us that Russia, North Korea, China and Muslims are evil.

If you want to read about evil try reading Rogue State (a guide to the worlds only superpower) by William Blum.:agree:

The opportunity for challenging the "media propaganda" is greater now than ever due to alternative news sources and more freely available information (or, indeed, propaganda - you do your research and decide what you believe). Progressive views regarding the US political scene are every bit as accesible as Fox News, as well as everywhere between.

The people who choose to lazily believe that all Muslims are evil or that everything about Russia is bad are those who dont want to think as easy unchallenging soundbites are easy to digest. I ask the question again, would you prefer to live in the US or any of China, Russia or North Korea?

You are aware also of Trumps views on Muslims? They are hardly liberal - the GOP convention was an exercise in fear mongering and creating loathing of "The Other". Oh, and Mexico sends all their rapists to the USA - isn't that just him brainwashing the good ol' boys who whoop and holler and chant "USA! USA!"

[Hibs Class]

Gaddafi was a great president of Libya who spread the oil wealth amongst his people instead of handing it over to the French, British and Americans. You really should look beyond western propaganda that even Goebbels would have proud of.

It's very sad how many people in western Europe and North America are programmed by the media to tell us that Russia, North Korea, China and Muslims are evil.

If you want to read about evil try reading Rogue State (a guide to the worlds only superpower) by William Blum.:agree:

Has Trump, your preferred candidate, had anything to say about Muslims?

[SkintHibby]

Has Trump, your preferred candidate, had anything to say about Muslims?

My preferred candidate was none of the above. I simply see Trump as the least worst candidate.

Trump speaks his mind whilst that evil bitch Clinton just tells people what they want to hear.

[hibsbollah]

Ive read that, its a decent read.

However, US/ western hegemony, despite its flaws is preferable to any other.

I always think of churchills quote about democracy.

How would we know? :dunno: There's only one hegemonic power so we can only imagine what elements another one might have. I can't think of many worse models, personally.

[Hibs Class]

Trump is on record as saying he wants to work with Putin to defeat ISIS. I want to see the US and Russia mend ties and I see Trump as the man to help achieve that.

I despise Hillary Clinton with every fibre of my being. She is a despicable woman.

Trump for me!


My preferred candidate was none of the above. I simply see Trump as the least worst candidate.

Trump speaks his mind whilst that evil bitch Clinton just tells people what they want to hear.

My mistake. :rolleyes:

[lucky]

Clinton maybe not everyone's cup of tea and she might have a questionable past but how anyone could consider voting from Trump is beyond belief

[Hibbyradge]

My preferred candidate was none of the above. I simply see Trump as the least worst candidate.

Trump speaks his mind whilst that evil bitch Clinton just tells people what they want to hear.

In what way is she "evil"?

I've seen a few folk using that adjective. Trump’s empty propaganda must be working.

And "bitch"? Really?

[Mibbes Aye]

My preferred candidate was none of the above. I simply see Trump as the least worst candidate.

Trump speaks his mind whilst that evil bitch Clinton just tells people what they want to hear.

It's a bit of a shame when the board degenerates to this sort of language. Poor, poor stuff.

[Hibbyradge]

http://money.cnn.com/2016/08/10/media/new-york-daily-news-donald-trump-campaign/index.html?sr=fbCNN081016new-york-daily-news-donald-trump-campaign1031AMStoryLink&linkId=27509887

[Ryan69]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc6_1471132028

here is some evidence to show how well Hillary is.

[steakbake]

Clinton maybe not everyone's cup of tea and she might have a questionable past but how anyone could consider voting from Trump is beyond belief

Agreed on this.

[The Green Goblin]

Clinton maybe not everyone's cup of tea and she might have a questionable past but how anyone could consider voting from Trump is beyond belief

:agree: Astonishing. He is an insecure child in a rich man's body. Not even remotely capable of being fit for public office.

[Hibbyradge]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bc6_1471132028

here is some evidence to show how well Hillary is.

Evidence? :faf:

It's utter rubbish and belongs in the same file as the Obama birth place drivel.

It's incredible what crap people will believe if it suits their agenda.

:hilarious

[Ryan69]

Evidence? :faf:

It's utter rubbish and belongs in the same file as the Obama birth place drivel.

It's incredible what crap people will believe if it suits their agenda.

:hilarious

She is quite clearly ill with dementia!

How can you deny that?

On the bigger scale of things...why knowingly allow someone who is quite clearly ill run,?
So the globalists agenda can be kept!

Her medical record wad released recently...the person that released it has been killed.
Another 44 emails were released...they got killed too.

[CropleyWasGod]

She is quite clearly ill with dementia!

How can you deny that?

On the bigger scale of things...why knowingly allow someone who is quite clearly ill run,?
So the globalists agenda can be kept!

Her medical record wad released recently...the person that released it has been killed.
Another 44 emails were released...they got killed too.
Are you a doctor?

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[Ryan69]

Are you a doctor?

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Nope...but isnt amazing how desperate the media who are also infiltrated are to get this proven liar and psychopath in office.

She doesnt get questioned on anything? Why not???

[CropleyWasGod]

Nope...but isnt amazing how desperate the media who are also infiltrated are to get this proven liar and psychopath in office.

She doesnt get questioned on anything? Why not???
My point, of course, is that, as you're not a doctor, you can't say that "she's clearly ill with dementia "

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[Ryan69]

My point, of course, is that, as you're not a doctor, you can't say that "she's clearly ill with dementia "

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Have you actually watched her?

She clearly has seizures and forgets what shes even talking about.
Its pretty damn obvious.

[CropleyWasGod]

Have you actually watched her?

She clearly has seizures and forgets what shes even talking about.
Its pretty damn obvious.
I've watched her.

I'm not a doctor.

I'd prefer to make my judgement about her health, physical and otherwise, on the basis of independent evidence and not agenda-led commentary.

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[Hibbyradge]

She is quite clearly ill with dementia!

How can you deny that?

On the bigger scale of things...why knowingly allow someone who is quite clearly ill run,?
So the globalists agenda can be kept!

Her medical record wad released recently...the person that released it has been killed.
Another 44 emails were released...they got killed too.

She's not ill.

It's made up drivel, ffs.

The stuff about the guy getting killed is fake.

If you choose to believe publications like the inquirer etc. that's up to you, but you won't learn anything real.

[steakbake]

Nope...but isnt amazing how desperate the media who are also infiltrated are to get this proven liar and psychopath in office.

She doesnt get questioned on anything? Why not???

Infiltrated by who?

[Pretty Boy]

This thread, or a poster on it, is just offensive now. The whole dementia claims are just further stigamtising an illness that is increasingly common and had a devestating effect on the person concerned and all connected to them.

If people choose to believe The Inquistr and Snopes then stupid is as stupid does quite frankly.

[Hibbyradge]

This thread, or a poster on it, is just offensive now. The whole dementia claims are just further stigamtising an illness that is increasingly common and had a devestating effect on the person concerned and all connected to them.

If people choose to believe The Inquistr and Snopes then stupid is as stupid does quite frankly.

I agree with your sentiments. I would point out that Snopes debunks myths, it doesn't stsrt them.

[Ryan69]

So basically her struggling to walk on her own at times.
Forgetting what she is saying at times.
The very clear spasms she has on national television.

Are all clear traits of her good health and it should never be questioned.

Like saying George Bush junior wouldnt of been in office if it wasnt for Daddy!
Obama wouldnt of been president if he wasnt black!

People really need to wake up and realise that the current regime is just puppets!

Thats why Trump gets all the ****...hes NOT part of the club!

[CropleyWasGod]

So basically her struggling to walk on her own at times.
Forgetting what she is saying at times.
The very clear spasms she has on national television.

Are all clear traits of her good health and it should never be questioned.

Like saying George Bush junior wouldnt of been in office if it wasnt for Daddy!
Obama wouldnt of been president if he wasnt black!

People really need to wake up and realise that the current regime is just puppets!

Thats why Trump gets all the ****...hes NOT part of the club!
There's questioning, on the basis of reasoned and independent curiosity. And then there's assumption, on the basis of bias.

I'm still in the former camp, ie willing to be persuaded by facts and proper evidence.

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[Hibbyradge]

So basically her struggling to walk on her own at times.
Forgetting what she is saying at times.
The very clear spasms she has on national television.

Are all clear traits of her good health and it should never be questioned.

Like saying George Bush junior wouldnt of been in office if it wasnt for Daddy!
Obama wouldnt of been president if he wasnt black!

People really need to wake up and realise that the current regime is just puppets!

Thats why Trump gets all the ****...hes NOT part of the club!

It clearly doesn't suit your opinion, but Hillary Clinton is perfectly healthy. The stories about her having dementia were hoaxes.

A few choice photographs taken at the right moment can show anyone to look odd.

Miliband and the bacon sandwich being an excellent example.

An older lady gets a hand walking up some steps. She's clearly had a stroke.

She forgets a line. Dementia.

The stories about her supposed "dementia and seizures" and someone getting murdered because they leaked her medical history are totally fabricated. There is absolutely NO SUBSTANCE in them at all.

Yet you choose to believe them. You WANT them to be true.

But they're not.

[Ryan69]

It clearly doesn't suit your opinion, but Hillary Clinton is perfectly healthy. The stories about her having dementia were hoaxes.

A few chiice photographs tajen at tge right moment can show snyone to look odd.

Miliband and the bacon sandwich being an excellent example.

An older lady gets a hand walking up some steps. She's ckearky had a stroke.

She forgets a line. Dementia.

The stories about her supposed "dementia and seizures" and someone getting murdered because they leaked her medical history are titally fabricated. There is absolutely NO SUBSTANCE in them at all.

Yet you choose to believe them. You WANT them to be true.

But they're not.

If your her doctor....then ill believe you.
Remember she also spent 6 months in hospital

[Hibbyradge]

If your her doctor....then ill believe you.

:faf:

Her doctor has said as much.

Did you know they found a WW2 bomber on the moon?

[CropleyWasGod]

If your her doctor....then ill believe you.
Remember she also spent 6 months in hospital
And if you're her doctor, I'll believe you [emoji6]

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[Hibbyradge]

Remember she also spent 6 months in hospital

When was that?

[Pretty Boy]

:faf:

Her doctor has said as much.

Did you know they found a WW2 bomber on the moon?

Was it not a London bus?

That was in The Sunday Sport which is a newspaper that isn't mainstream so it must be true.

[CropleyWasGod]

:faf:

Her doctor has said as much.

Did you know they found a WW2 bomber on the moon?
Ffs man, didn't you see Men In Black?

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[Hibbyradge]

Was it not a London bus?

That was in The Sunday Sport which is a newspaper so it must be true.

Both.

[Ozymandias]

So basically her struggling to walk on her own at times.
Forgetting what she is saying at times.
The very clear spasms she has on national television.

Are all clear traits of her good health and it should never be questioned.

Like saying George Bush junior wouldnt of been in office if it wasnt for Daddy!
Obama wouldnt of been president if he wasnt black!

People really need to wake up and realise that the current regime is just puppets!

Thats why Trump gets all the ****...hes NOT part of the club!

This type of Alex Jones conspiracy theory is pathetic.
There are many reasons to argue reasonable against Clinton, but this type of nonsense if anything detracts and distracts from the things she should be challenged on.

She is still, despite all her flaws, inestimably less dangerous to the world than Trump would be.

[Hibbyradge]

I'm trying hard to ignore the nonsense that Obama only won because he was black...

[CropleyWasGod]

This type of Alex Jones conspiracy theory is pathetic.
There are many reasons to argue reasonable against Clinton, but this type of nonsense if anything detracts and distracts from the things she should be challenged on.

She is still, despite all her flaws, inestimably less dangerous to the world than Trump would be.
I find it really sad, and worrying, that we've got to the point where we're having to choose on the basis of "who is less scary?"

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[Pretty Boy]

I'm trying hard to ignore the nonsense that Obama only won because he was black...
In fairness he did speak to huge numbers of disenfranchised people, many of them minorities, and got them out to vote when they had never bothered before.

I don't think that was what was being implied though.

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[Ozymandias]

I find it really sad, and worrying, that we've got to the point where we're having to choose on the basis of "who is less scary?"

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True.
The thing with the American political system is that it is incredibly difficult to separate power from money and influence. It's the same to a greater or lesser extent pretty much anywhere I suppose, but in the Land of the Free the direct and clear correlation between donors and politicians of both parties is pretty overt, especially at senate/represenative level.
Trump rides in on a platfrom of "I'm in nobodies pocket" - populist and powerful (especially if he actually didn't take donations - he does) and shakes things up. The problem is that as an individual, he is incredibly, deeply and dangeously unprepared for the role. Clinton is at worst status quo, but status quo under the Democrats is much better than the potential changes under a Trump Republican administration

[Hibbyradge]

If anyone is interested, here is the video that the Republicans say shows Hillary Clinton having a seizure! In fact, she's obviously messing around and the journos are enjoying it. :faf:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-hillary-clinton-health-20160812-story.html

[Hibbyradge]

When was that?

Any joy finding the information about Hillary's 6 month hospitalisation yet, Ryan?

[Pretty Boy]

If anyone is interested, here is the video that the Republicans say shows Hillary Clinton having a seizure! In fact, she's obviously messing around and the journos are enjoying it. :faf:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-hillary-clinton-health-20160812-story.html

Surely anyone with basic analytical skills can see that video for what it is?

Anyway the same stuff was thrown around about Joe Biden 8 years ago because he'd previously suffered an aneurysm in his brain. Dick Cheney suffered repeated heart problems throught his tenure as VP and even lived for nearly a year and a half without a pulse (due to living with an LVAD as opposed to because he's a heartless barsteward) before undergoing a transplant.

Politicians are humans, they will get ill. Clinton has explained her health problems with regards her concussion and post concussion recovery. She's also in her late 60s and may need assistance from time to time. I find the questioning of her health, and the fact Trump himself is getting involved, thoroughly distasteful.

[Hibbyradge]

I find the questioning of her health, and the fact Trump himself is getting involved, thoroughly distasteful.

It is, but the Trump camp have nothing else but lies, smears and innuendo.

The fact that so many people, in fact any people at all, choose to believe that crap and repeat it, is astonishing.

[RyeSloan]

I'm trying hard to ignore the nonsense that Obama only won because he was black...

Come on...it had been such a great advantage before of course it was ;-)

[Mibbes Aye]

It is, but the Trump camp have nothing else but lies, smears and innuendo.

The fact that so many people, in fact any people at all, choose to believe that crap and repeat it, is astonishing.

There's an astounding level of misogyny, often at dog-whistle level, directed at Hillary.

I genuinely think it's stronger than any racial element Obama faced in 2008.

[CropleyWasGod]

Actually, I may be wavering on this.

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/08/night-that-obama-and-hillary-founded-isis.html

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[Hibbyradge]

Come on...it had been such a great advantage before of course it was ;-)

Silly me.

[Ryan69]

This thread, or a poster on it, is just offensive now. The whole dementia claims are just further stigamtising an illness that is increasingly common and had a devestating effect on the person concerned and all connected to them.

If people choose to believe The Inquistr and Snopes then stupid is as stupid does quite frankly.

Truth hurts...and maby people dig their headto the bloody obvious!

[Ryan69]

:faf:

Her doctor has said as much.

Did you know they found a WW2 bomber on the moon?

Her doctor would be killed for saying what she knows!
But Its obvious to everyone,,,,if you 1 + 1 together and you dont get a window!

Do you actually believe the demons are not running amok?

If so.....You are a Fool!

[Ryan69]

Gaddafi was a great president of Libya who spread the oil wealth amongst his people instead of handing it over to the French, British and Americans. You really should look beyond western propaganda that even Goebbels would have proud of.

It's very sad how many people in western Europe and North America are programmed by the media to tell us that Russia, North Korea, China and Muslims are evil.

If you want to read about evil try reading Rogue State (a guide to the worlds only superpower) by William Blum.:agree:

Nobody in this world will prove Osama died when he did....like Hitler! But you are definately told....The opposite of FBI records!

Osama died years ago on the run....with huge kidney failure!

Keep the gullible happy....we killed him!

Keeps the happy people happy...dont ask questions!

If it really happened...somebody could prove it!
Its worth millions to them!

World has been infiltrated by money...slaves like money ;)

[marinello59]

Nobody in this world will prove Osama died when he did....like Hitler! But you are definately told....The opposite of FBI records!

Osama died years ago on the run....with huge kidney failure!

Keep the gullible happy....we killed him!

Keeps the happy people happy...dont ask questions!

If it really happened...somebody could prove it!
Its worth millions to them!

World has been infiltrated by money...slaves like money ;)

:faf::faf:

[Hibbyradge]

Nobody in this world will prove Osama died when he did....like Hitler! But you are definately told....The opposite of FBI records!

Osama died years ago on the run....with huge kidney failure!

Keep the gullible happy....we killed him!

Keeps the happy people happy...dont ask questions!

If it really happened...somebody could prove it!
Its worth millions to them!

World has been infiltrated by money...slaves like money ;)

Yeah, and the guy who leaked the info about Hilary Clinton's dementia was murdered.

[Hibs Class]

When did David Icke get here?

[Hibrandenburg]

When did David Icke get here?

:greengrin

[The Green Goblin]

So basically her struggling to walk on her own at times.
Forgetting what she is saying at times.
The very clear spasms she has on national television.

Are all clear traits of her good health and it should never be questioned.

Like saying George Bush junior wouldnt of been in office if it wasnt for Daddy!
Obama wouldnt of been president if he wasnt black!

People really need to wake up and realise that the current regime is just puppets!

Thats why Trump gets all the ****...hes NOT part of the club!

What day did Trump twice think it was last Thursday?

http://metro.co.uk/2016/08/12/trump-implies-clinton-lacks-mental-stamina-but-forgets-what-day-it-is-6063102/

[Ozymandias]

Nobody in this world will prove Osama died when he did....like Hitler! But you are definately told....The opposite of FBI records!

Osama died years ago on the run....with huge kidney failure!

Keep the gullible happy....we killed him!

Keeps the happy people happy...dont ask questions!

If it really happened...somebody could prove it!
Its worth millions to them!

World has been infiltrated by money...slaves like money ;)

Come on admit it you're trolling now.
What makes you think Bin Laden died of "huge kidney failure"?
Why would him dying at the hands of the Americans (and therefore martyrdom) be preferable to him dying in agony on his own?
Taking your own argument I'd like to see your proof of your version of his death. If it really happened of course... Your proof/evidence for seizures was, it has to be said, entirely laughable.
"World has been infiltrated by money...slaves like money". What the bright blue blethering f*** does this even mean?

[Sergio sledge]

Nobody in this world will prove Osama died when he did....like Hitler! But you are definately told....The opposite of FBI records!

Osama died years ago on the run....with huge kidney failure!

Keep the gullible happy....we killed him!

Keeps the happy people happy...dont ask questions!

If it really happened...somebody could prove it!
Its worth millions to them!

World has been infiltrated by money...slaves like money ;)

Welcome back Riz!

[Haymaker]

I would like to see you say Osama died of kidney failure to Robert J. O'Neill.

[Pretty Boy]

Nobody in this world will prove Osama died when he did....like Hitler! But you are definately told....The opposite of FBI records!

Osama died years ago on the run....with huge kidney failure!

Keep the gullible happy....we killed him!

Keeps the happy people happy...dont ask questions!

If it really happened...somebody could prove it!
Its worth millions to them!

World has been infiltrated by money...slaves like money ;)

You do realise there is a difference between healthy scepticism and believing utter nonsense?

[steakbake]

You do realise there is a difference between healthy scepticism and believing utter nonsense?

Exactly the sort of thing a lizard shill would say...! :rolleyes:

[Pretty Boy]

Exactly the sort of thing a lizard shill would say...! :rolleyes:

Rumbled.

[lord bunberry]

I would like to see you say Osama died of kidney failure to Robert J. O'Neill.

Maybe he shot him in the kidneys

[Haymaker]

Maybe he shot him in the kidneys

Maybe, maybe.

[Hibbyradge]

https://m.mic.com/articles/150865/the-head-of-the-american-nazi-party-now-thinks-donald-trump-is-a-real-opportunity#.6VD749Ysk

[lyonhibs]

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37090082

So in summary, a load of tasteless, baseless nonsense.

Anyone who thinks Hilary Clinton, whilst far, FAR from ideal would be a worse US President than Donald Trump simply isn't in possession of a functioning brain, eyes or ears IMO.

[SunshineOnLeith]

I've got more respect for someone who says 'I'm voting for Trump because I don't like brown people' than anyone who tries to justify it any other way.

At least they're honest.

[McD]

Her doctor would be killed for saying what she knows!
But Its obvious to everyone,,,,if you 1 + 1 together and you dont get a window!

Do you actually believe the demons are not running amok?

If so.....You are a Fool!


Do you actually hear the words you speak?

[Bishop Hibee]

Mike Pence Trump's running mate is 100% pro-life and intent on overturning Roe v Wade which would be a big incentive for me to vote Trump if I were American. On balance, I'd probably not vote as their is no guarantee what Trump would do if in power. Betty Boop is right on Clinton's hawkish tendencies. Democrats are worse than Republicans when it comes to starting conflicts with other countries.

[wpj]

Clinton and Trump are both very bad candidates and it scares me they are what's left to vote for. Feel very sorry for America to be honest.

[Haymaker]

I would like to see you say Osama died of kidney failure to Robert J. O'Neill.

Still waiting for Ryan69 to say if he would say it to Rob O'Neill face. You can tweet him if easier.

[Ozymandias]

Mike Pence Trump's running mate is 100% pro-life and intent on overturning Roe v Wade which would be a big incentive for me to vote Trump if I were American. On balance, I'd probably not vote as their is no guarantee what Trump would do if in power. Betty Boop is right on Clinton's hawkish tendencies. Democrats are worse than Republicans when it comes to starting conflicts with other countries.

That's fair enough if your agenda is driven by a single issue. Pence's other stated beliefs (such as Intelligent Design and climate change denial) do however give pause...

[Hibbyradge]

Democrats are worse than Republicans when it comes to starting conflicts with other countries.

Bush senior and "W" might disagree.

[GreenLake]

More conspiracy theories. (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-17/million-dollar-bounty-offered-hillarys-true-health-records)

[Bishop Hibee]

Bush senior and "W" might disagree.

Bill Clinton didn't hesitate to bomb the crap out of Somalia and Truman intervened in Korea.

[Haymaker]

Bill Clinton didn't hesitate to bomb the crap out of Somalia and Truman intervened in Korea.

Either side love military action.

[PeeJay]

Bill Clinton didn't hesitate to bomb the crap out of Somalia and Truman intervened in Korea.

Would you care to explain how the Democrats are "worse" than the GOP? Not sure of the reasoning or the point behind your assertion?

[Hibbyradge]

Bill Clinton didn't hesitate to bomb the crap out of Somalia and Truman intervened in Korea.

You said Democrats were worse.

No they're not.

[lord bunberry]

You said Democrats were worse.

No they're not.

That war mongering ******* FDR was a democrat. :greengrin

[Bishop Hibee]

You said Democrats were worse.

No they're not.

Not much in it but a win is a win http://911billofrights.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/democrat-or-republican-presidents-who.html

[Hibbyradge]

Not much in it but a win is a win http://911billofrights.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/democrat-or-republican-presidents-who.html

Those figures can't be taken on their own.

Over the past 100 years the Democratic party has held power nearly twice as long as the Republicans in both the Senate and the House.

And the Democratic party has had control of the White House and the two Houses of Congress for 35 years, compared to 16 years for the Republican party over the last 100 years

[Ryan69]

Come on admit it you're trolling now.
What makes you think Bin Laden died of "huge kidney failure"?
Why would him dying at the hands of the Americans (and therefore martyrdom) be preferable to him dying in agony on his own?
Taking your own argument I'd like to see your proof of your version of his death. If it really happened of course... Your proof/evidence for seizures was, it has to be said, entirely laughable.
"World has been infiltrated by money...slaves like money". What the bright blue blethering f*** does this even mean?

Its common knowledge that he had big problems with his kidneys.
a leader dying to kill 2 people or 20 people isn't as effective and would probably seen as cowardly...than to guide his followers surely?

The slavery part means...the whole world is corrupted!

Do you actually believe that this migrant invasion was not planned???

A lot of people are making BIG BIG money in this....like corporations.

Do you think the living wage is going to match the price of rises in costs??
All these costs to society drives prices up,wages down....but certain people that made this agenda are becoming richer than you could ever imagine!

Do you know there are rich people cities being build of West Africa?

Welcome to modern day slavery!

small comparison is that in 1973 you could pay 23p for a pint of beer and make an average wage of 6k....What happened to the balance?

bring Shariah law into this world.....Easier to control the slaves!

[Ryan69]

I would like to see you say Osama died of kidney failure to Robert J. O'Neill.

Surely if you killed the most wanted man on the planet....You would prove it?

or somebody would of made a bloody fortune with only one picture!

Strange how all but one that went on that operation died mysteriously! Coincidence I guess??

other is on the run as he fears for his life.....Though categorically stated Osama was NOT in the compound!

why not prove it?

Do you actually believe we live in a non corrupt world where politicians and government actually give a 5hit about you or I???

[CropleyWasGod]

Surely if you killed the most wanted man on the planet....You would prove it?

or somebody would of made a bloody fortune with only one picture!

Strange how all but one that went on that operation died mysteriously! Coincidence I guess??

other is on the run as he fears for his life.....Though categorically stated Osama was NOT in the compound!

why not prove it?

Do you actually believe we live in a non corrupt world where politicians and government actually give a 5hit about you or I???
Can you tell me more about the deaths of the men from that mission?

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[GreenLake]

Can you tell me more about the deaths of the men from that mission?

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Google Seal team 6 and helicopter crash.

[CropleyWasGod]

Google Seal team 6 and helicopter crash.
So at the moment there are unproven accusations.
Accusations that need to be dealt with, for sure. Until they are, they'll fuel plenty of conspiracy theories [emoji6]

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[lyonhibs]

Google Seal team 6 and helicopter crash.

I can't have been the only one who read the above and immediately thought "**** me, Google are taking **** seriously these days if they've got their own Seal teams!!"

[Ozymandias]

Its common knowledge that he had big problems with his kidneys.
a leader dying to kill 2 people or 20 people isn't as effective and would probably seen as cowardly...than to guide his followers surely?

The slavery part means...the whole world is corrupted!

Do you actually believe that this migrant invasion was not planned???

A lot of people are making BIG BIG money in this....like corporations.

Do you think the living wage is going to match the price of rises in costs??
All these costs to society drives prices up,wages down....but certain people that made this agenda are becoming richer than you could ever imagine!

Do you know there are rich people cities being build of West Africa?

Welcome to modern day slavery!

small comparison is that in 1973 you could pay 23p for a pint of beer and make an average wage of 6k....What happened to the balance?

bring Shariah law into this world.....Easier to control the slaves!

I'm guessing you like Alex Jones.

[RyeSloan]

Its common knowledge that he had big problems with his kidneys. a leader dying to kill 2 people or 20 people isn't as effective and would probably seen as cowardly...than to guide his followers surely? The slavery part means...the whole world is corrupted! Do you actually believe that this migrant invasion was not planned??? A lot of people are making BIG BIG money in this....like corporations. Do you think the living wage is going to match the price of rises in costs?? All these costs to society drives prices up,wages down....but certain people that made this agenda are becoming richer than you could ever imagine! Do you know there are rich people cities being build of West Africa? Welcome to modern day slavery! small comparison is that in 1973 you could pay 23p for a pint of beer and make an average wage of 6k....What happened to the balance? bring Shariah law into this world.....Easier to control the slaves!

What? Corporations making money? Who would have thought that...do you suggest they should all lose money instead?

And 'rich people' building cities, wow well it's pretty hard for poor people to build them and I suppose you could say that's always happened...it wasn't the poor of Edinburgh that built the New Town.

As for the price of beer...well taxation is the simple answer there but I'm not sure what the question was.

I get your general point, the world is corrupt and the fiat money system has been used to make the wealthy wealthier there is no disputing that but your assertion that everything is all planned by the hidden hand is wide of the mark in my opinion. Much more likely is incompetence and vested interests aligned to the fact that politicians do more harm than good with their constant interventions and 'solutions' to problems.

As for Sharia law...well if the agenda has went so well so far why would we need that? It seems that those cunningly planning all these events for their own benefit have been doing just fine.

[GreenLake]

I can't have been the only one who read the above and immediately thought "**** me, Google are taking **** seriously these days if they've got their own Seal teams!!"

:greengrin

Their security teams probably are ex Seals!

[Hibbyradge]

Its common knowledge that he had big problems with his kidneys.
a leader dying to kill 2 people or 20 people isn't as effective and would probably seen as cowardly...than to guide his followers surely?

The slavery part means...the whole world is corrupted!

Do you actually believe that this migrant invasion was not planned???

A lot of people are making BIG BIG money in this....like corporations.

Do you think the living wage is going to match the price of rises in costs??
All these costs to society drives prices up,wages down....but certain people that made this agenda are becoming richer than you could ever imagine!

Do you know there are rich people cities being build of West Africa?

Welcome to modern day slavery!

small comparison is that in 1973 you could pay 23p for a pint of beer and make an average wage of 6k....What happened to the balance?

bring Shariah law into this world.....Easier to control the slaves!

The average wage in 1973 was about £1600.

[Haymaker]

Google Seal team 6 and helicopter crash.

There have been 2 people who have admitted being on that mission. One wrote a decent (not great) book on it.

Also, SEAL team 6, or DEVGRU, is quite big.

[GreenLake]

There have been 2 people who have admitted being on that mission. One wrote a decent (not great) book on it.

Also, SEAL team 6, or DEVGRU, is quite big.

I vaguely remember reading that Obama said none of the Seals who died on the helicopter were from the team that raided Bin Laden's compound.

[Haymaker]

I vaguely remember reading that Obama said none of the Seals who died on the helicopter were from the team that raided Bin Laden's compound.

I thought so too. DEVGRU is quite big apparently. Not to say that none of them have been killed since, it's a dangerous job.

EDIT: Those killed in said crash were from one squadron. The team that killed UBL were taken from all squadrons to have the most experienced possible.

[Betty Boop]

Surely if you killed the most wanted man on the planet....You would prove it?

or somebody would of made a bloody fortune with only one picture!

Strange how all but one that went on that operation died mysteriously! Coincidence I guess??

other is on the run as he fears for his life.....Though categorically stated Osama was NOT in the compound!

why not prove it?

Do you actually believe we live in a non corrupt world where politicians and government actually give a 5hit about you or I???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5aD1By3HL0

[--------]

On the plus side we'd have 4 years of good satirical comedy.


No - we'd have about three weeks and then he'd press the red button ....

All together now - "We'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when ...." :singing:

[wpj]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5aD1By3HL0

Radge, him and Alex Jones and david ike would be a fun table in the pub

[Hibbyradge]

Radge, him and Alex Jones and david ike would be a fun table in the pub

I'm not a conspiracy theorist!

[Betty Boop]

I'm not a conspiracy theorist!

Oh Mr Radge ! :faf:

[SunshineOnLeith]

Its common knowledge that he had big problems with his kidneys.
a leader dying to kill 2 people or 20 people isn't as effective and would probably seen as cowardly...than to guide his followers surely?

The slavery part means...the whole world is corrupted!

Do you actually believe that this migrant invasion was not planned???

A lot of people are making BIG BIG money in this....like corporations.

Do you think the living wage is going to match the price of rises in costs??
All these costs to society drives prices up,wages down....but certain people that made this agenda are becoming richer than you could ever imagine!

Do you know there are rich people cities being build of West Africa?

Welcome to modern day slavery!

small comparison is that in 1973 you could pay 23p for a pint of beer and make an average wage of 6k....What happened to the balance?

bring Shariah law into this world.....Easier to control the slaves!

https://youtu.be/xGn55BRyDSk

[Hibbyradge]

Oh Mr Radge ! :faf:

What?

Because I think Trotskyists are entering the Labour Party?

That's not a conspiracy theory. It's an absolute truth.

Are there any conspiracies you think I believe?

[wpj]

What?

Because I think Trotskyists are entering the Labour Party?

That's not a conspiracy theory. It's an absolute truth.

Are there any conspiracies you think I believe?

Just noticed how my post looked. I meant radge as in its radge not that you were a conspiracy theorist. Dont know you to make that call 😊

[Hibernia&Alba]

I was really hoping Bernie Sanders would win the nomination for the Democrats, but in the end the political machine and its money did for him. That said, I do hope Hillary Clinton (not someone I have much great admiration for) destroys that idiotic bigot Trump, and I'm sure she will.

[PeeJay]

I was really hoping Bernie Sanders would win the nomination for the Democrats, but in the end the political machine and its money did for him. That said, I do hope Hillary Clinton (not someone I have much great admiration for) destroys that idiotic bigot Trump, and I'm sure she will.

Maybe Sanders not actually being a Democrat and only using the party as a vehicle for his own political ambitions was also part of the problem - why should the party get behind him instead of Hillary C.?

[Hibbyradge]

Just noticed how my post looked. I meant radge as in its radge not that you were a conspiracy theorist. Dont know you to make that call 😊

I knew that. I was messing about.

#shouldhaveusedasmiley

[Jones28]

Surely if you killed the most wanted man on the planet....You would prove it?

or somebody would of made a bloody fortune with only one picture!

Strange how all but one that went on that operation died mysteriously! Coincidence I guess??

other is on the run as he fears for his life.....Though categorically stated Osama was NOT in the compound!

why not prove it?

Do you actually believe we live in a non corrupt world where politicians and government actually give a 5hit about you or I???

They were one of the most highly trained groups of soldiers in the world. I think they stood a decent chance against Bin laden and his bodyguards.

[Hibbyradge]

The USA election is even funnier than Labour's 😂😂😂

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37203285

[GreenLake]

The USA election is even funnier than Labour's 😂😂😂

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37203285

I wonder if that BBC journalist will be fired for writing an article about Trump's health like those who have said anything about Hillary's. :greengrin

http://www.westernjournalism.com/journalist-dismissed-after-post-about-hillary-clintons-health-chilling/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/08/26/dr-drew-show-canceled-days-after-his-negative-speculation-about-hillary-clintons-health/

[(((Fergus)))]

It clearly doesn't suit your opinion, but Hillary Clinton is perfectly healthy. The stories about her having dementia were hoaxes.

A few choice photographs taken at the right moment can show anyone to look odd.

Miliband and the bacon sandwich being an excellent example.

An older lady gets a hand walking up some steps. She's clearly had a stroke.

She forgets a line. Dementia.

The stories about her supposed "dementia and seizures" and someone getting murdered because they leaked her medical history are totally fabricated. There is absolutely NO SUBSTANCE in them at all.

Yet you choose to believe them. You WANT them to be true.

But they're not.


Clinton is using her concussion (from which she still has a blood clot on the brain) to justify her "don't recall" excuses to FBI: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-clinton-emails-idUSKCN11829I

More generally, she has blurred the lines between private and professional, using public office for personal enrichment – regardless of the impact on the United States, domestically and overseas.

Trump, on the other hand, is a patriot who, in his own words, "doesn't need to be doing this". If he can do to the Presidency what he has done to the GOP, America - and its allies - will have a great eight years (before Ivanka becomes the first female POTUS ;o)). It will be entertaining at the very least.

If you are worried about Trump "blowing up the world", I would just point out that Trump makes his money by building (beautiful resorts), whereas the Clinton Foundation lives off disasters.

[Hibs Class]

Clinton is using her concussion (from which she still has a blood clot on the brain) to justify her "don't recall" excuses to FBI: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-clinton-emails-idUSKCN11829I

More generally, she has blurred the lines between private and professional, using public office for personal enrichment – regardless of the impact on the United States, domestically and overseas.

Trump, on the other hand, is a patriot who, in his own words, "doesn't need to be doing this". If he can do to the Presidency what he has done to the GOP, America - and its allies - will have a great eight years (before Ivanka becomes the first female POTUS ;o)). It will be entertaining at the very least.

If you are worried about Trump "blowing up the world", I would just point out that Trump makes his money by building (beautiful resorts), whereas the Clinton Foundation lives off disasters.

There are Americans who also think this way. For example, some of them can be found presenting on Fox News.

[Ozymandias]

Clinton is using her concussion (from which she still has a blood clot on the brain) to justify her "don't recall" excuses to FBI: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-clinton-emails-idUSKCN11829I (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-clinton-emails-idUSKCN11829I)
(http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-clinton-emails-idUSKCN11829I)The report confirms the first part of your sentence. It does not say she still has a blood clot, and there's nothing to suggest she does. Where's your evidence that this is the case?


More generally, she has blurred the lines between private and professional, using public office for personal enrichment – regardless of the impact on the United States, domestically and overseas.
Whereas Trump sees no issue diverting 20% of his campaign funds to family and Trump businesses. Maybe its just me, but thats certainly a bit blurry as well?
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/22/us/politics/donald-trump-self-funding-payments.html?_r=0


Trump, on the other hand, is a patriot who, in his own words, "doesn't need to be doing this". If he can do to the Presidency what he has done to the GOP, America - and its allies - will have a great eight years (before Ivanka becomes the first female POTUS ;o)). It will be entertaining at the very least.

If you are worried about Trump "blowing up the world", I would just point out that Trump makes his money by building (beautiful resorts), whereas the Clinton Foundation lives off disasters.
I think Trump had no concept he would get this far. I think his personal narcissism is now so fuelled that he actually believes he is a Messiah. I agree that the ripping of the GOP is no bad thing - the rise of the evangelical right as a result of the Republicans Southern Strategy needed challenging and breaking - its sad that the USA has no real conservative alternative to the Democrats. The fact that this pressure has come as a result of a shallow buffoon who is dangerously stoking racial tension is very sad.

Entertaining is what TV and Hibs are for. Global geopolitics is not meant to be entertaining

Your last sentence is bizarre. A man is a real estate entrepreneur and therefore can be trusted with the worlds largest army and nuclear arsenal? I dont see how thats linked myself.

[PeeJay]

I'd vote Gary Johnson if I had a vote, but must admit that the unhinged side of me is curious to see how ****ed up things could get if Trump wins

... seems your guy GJ isn't quite up to date on international events .... President of the United States of America, can't see it myself? :greengrin


https://youtu.be/nKb2oiJluLk

[Mon Dieu4]

... seems your guy GJ isn't quite up to date on international events .... President of the United States of America, can't see it myself? :greengrin


https://youtu.be/nKb2oiJluLk

I saw that haha, let's be fair he's the kick in the shins rather than the poke in the eye or baws in this contest which is why I'd have voted for him

[calumhibee1]

See Hilary collapsed yesterday. Pneumonia apparently, although folk are a bit suspicious that she hid it from everyone..

[Hibrandenburg]

See Hilary collapsed yesterday. Pneumonia apparently, although folk are a bit suspicious that she hid it from everyone..

It will certainly fuel the conspiracy theories.

[Ryan69]

See Hilary collapsed yesterday. Pneumonia apparently, although folk are a bit suspicious that she hid it from everyone..

The US government dont do transparancy!

John F Kennedy...died in very strange circumstances(I believe it was bodyguard in front seat)
Roosevelt had polio.
George Bush Snr(Head of Cia)...never left office really.
George Bush Junior....Had Daddy pulling the strings.
Bill Clinton...sexual predator.
Hillary Clinton...Failed in everything she has ever done,plus is seriously ill.
Barrack Obama....7 errors on his birth certificatr,including being born in a hospital that closed 2 years before he was even born!
9/11....Biggest cover up in history!
Boston bombing....You will NEVER hear from or see that man again! His brother was killed in a shootout......But it was screened on national television the guy walking with his hands behind his head,naked,about tobe arrested....but suddenly died in a shootout?????

WTF is all you can really say!

[Ryan69]

I could.go.on about many things the US government cover up.

Adolf Hitler
Osama Bin Laden
Gaddafi

They are the most corrupt and evil establishment mankind could ever imagine!

Thats why Hillary....WILL win!

Trumps not in the club!

[calumhibee1]

🙄

[Hibbyradge]

The US government dont do transparancy!

John F Kennedy...died in very strange circumstances(I believe it was bodyguard in front seat)
Roosevelt had polio.
George Bush Snr(Head of Cia)...never left office really.
George Bush Junior....Had Daddy pulling the strings.
Bill Clinton...sexual predator.
Hillary Clinton...Failed in everything she has ever done,plus is seriously ill.
Barrack Obama....7 errors on his birth certificatr,including being born in a hospital that closed 2 years before he was even born!
9/11....Biggest cover up in history!
Boston bombing....You will NEVER hear from or see that man again! His brother was killed in a shootout......But it was screened on national television the guy walking with his hands behind his head,naked,about tobe arrested....but suddenly died in a shootout?????

WTF is all you can really say!

Do you ever check out the stuff you read and then happily believe?

What a lot of utter rubbish.

[johnbc70]

I could.go.on about many things the US government cover up.

Adolf Hitler
Osama Bin Laden
Gaddafi

They are the most corrupt and evil establishment mankind could ever imagine!

Thats why Hillary....WILL win!

Trumps not in the club!

Do tell us the Hitler conspiracy, that's a new one to me.

[easty]

I could.go.on about many things the US government cover up.

Adolf Hitler
Osama Bin Laden
Gaddafi

They are the most corrupt and evil establishment mankind could ever imagine!

Thats why Hillary....WILL win!

Trumps not in the club!

You left out the moon landings.

[Ryan69]

Do you ever check out the stuff you read and then happily believe?

What a lot of utter rubbish.

I do yes. I don't read mainstream media.

Mainstream media is just there to program you! Why do you think that known Globalists own 98% of the mainstream media companies??? (Too much detail for you probably)

And if your not awake to what's happening in this world.....Then WTf?

All of the things are stated and you can even get evidence in a video form if you choose todo so!


or you can dig your head in the sand....IF that's what you choose todo.

[PeeJay]

I do yes. I don't read mainstream media.

Mainstream media is just there to program you!

How do you know mainstream media is so bad and that it is there to program "us" if you don't read it? Wouldn't arriving at a balanced opinion require you to at least read what the mainstream media are saying, or do you simply "assume" or "know" that everything in the MSM is untrue, because ...?

[easty]

I do yes. I don't read mainstream media.

Mainstream media is just there to program you! Why do you think that known Globalists own 98% of the mainstream media companies??? (Too much detail for you probably)

And if your not awake to what's happening in this world.....Then WTf?

All of the things are stated and you can even get evidence in a video form if you choose todo so!


or you can dig your head in the sand....IF that's what you choose todo.

I'm selling a tin foil hat, never been worn, it keeps "them" from reading your mind. Want to buy it?

[Ozymandias]

The US government dont do transparancy!

John F Kennedy...died in very strange circumstances(I believe it was bodyguard in front seat)
Roosevelt had polio.
George Bush Snr(Head of Cia)...never left office really.
George Bush Junior....Had Daddy pulling the strings.
Bill Clinton...sexual predator.
Hillary Clinton...Failed in everything she has ever done,plus is seriously ill.
Barrack Obama....7 errors on his birth certificatr,including being born in a hospital that closed 2 years before he was even born!
9/11....Biggest cover up in history!
Boston bombing....You will NEVER hear from or see that man again! His brother was killed in a shootout......But it was screened on national television the guy walking with his hands behind his head,naked,about tobe arrested....but suddenly died in a shootout?????

WTF is all you can really say!

What a load of scattergun bollocks - what points are you trying to make?
JFK - are you now saying he wasn't assassinated at all?
Roosevelt did have Polio
Bush snr - Well he did leave office, didn't he
GWB - Awful President on his own account
Hillary - She has pneumonia, and has failed in everything? Really? You have a strange definition of failure
Obama - Even Trump has shut up about being a Birther. Your hospital claim is just wrong
9/11 - sheesh.
Boston - what is your point?

I'm still not sure if you're a troll or are genuinely edging towards the unhinged edge of the spectrum.

[CropleyWasGod]

I do yes. I don't read mainstream media.

Mainstream media is just there to program you! Why do you think that known Globalists own 98% of the mainstream media companies??? (Too much detail for you probably)

And if your not awake to what's happening in this world.....Then WTf?

All of the things are stated and you can even get evidence in a video form if you choose todo so!


or you can dig your head in the sand....IF that's what you choose todo.
I'm interested in your definition of "Globalists".

Once we've established that, can you show how you get to your 98%?

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The US government dont do transparancy!

John F Kennedy...died in very strange circumstances(I believe it was bodyguard in front seat)
Roosevelt had polio.
George Bush Snr(Head of Cia)...never left office really.
George Bush Junior....Had Daddy pulling the strings.
Bill Clinton...sexual predator.
Hillary Clinton...Failed in everything she has ever done,plus is seriously ill.
Barrack Obama....7 errors on his birth certificatr,including being born in a hospital that closed 2 years before he was even born!
9/11....Biggest cover up in history!
Boston bombing....You will NEVER hear from or see that man again! His brother was killed in a shootout......But it was screened on national television the guy walking with his hands behind his head,naked,about tobe arrested....but suddenly died in a shootout?????

WTF is all you can really say!

Ryan, my second cousin, once removed, is a Lieutenant-General in the Nigerian Army.

He plans to retire to this country, but needs access to a bank account to facilitate the transfer of funds from Nigeria to Scotland.

"They" - I can see clearly that you know who "they" are - won't allow him to use the bank accounts of members of his family, so I'm not allowed to help him out, but ...

Could you PM me with the details of your current account. The General can then transfer his savings to your account without "them" knowing anything about it. I PROMISE you there's a couple of hundred thousand in it for you, probably more.

The Lieutenant-General is an incredibly honest and generous person, and never forgets a friend.

While you're at it, I have some solid gold bricks you might be interested in?

[Ozymandias]

I could.go.on about many things the US government cover up.

Adolf Hitler
Osama Bin Laden
Gaddafi

They are the most corrupt and evil establishment mankind could ever imagine!

Thats why Hillary....WILL win!

Trumps not in the club!

I offer you by way of refutation:
Europe under the Nazis
Russia under Stalin
Romania under Ceausescu
North Korea since it's inception
China under Mao
Cambodia under Pol Pot
Uganda under Idi Amin

Throwaway statements like the one highlighted are dangerous and stupid. There are lots of things that the US establishment are horrendous at. Foreign policy under Bush in particular, environmental policies etc. Focus on thse real things that actually exist rather than your mix of David Icke/Alex Jones conspiracy bollocks.

[Pretty Boy]

Do tell us the Hitler conspiracy, that's a new one to me.

Fled to Antartica by submarine, hiding out in Patagonia or given asylum by the Vatican are the usual tin foil hat brigade go to theories.

The fact it qas the Soviets as opposed to the USA who investigated Hitlers suicide and published the findings, albeit years later, doesn't seem to matter.

[GreenLake]

I'm interested in your definition of "Globalists".

Once we've established that, can you show how you get to your 98%?

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I will stab a guess that it involves people who are secretly plotting a new world order and a one world government.

[GreenLake]

Fled to Antartica by submarine, hiding out in Patagonia or given asylum by the Vatican are the usual tin foil hat brigade go to theories.

The fact it qas the Soviets as opposed to the USA who investigated Hitlers suicide and published the findings, albeit years later, doesn't seem to matter.

I thought the Soviets had Hitler's brain pickled in a jar in the basement of the Kremlin. Or maybe I am mixing up "The Man With Two Brains" and "Escape to Victory".

[NYHibby]

I thought the Soviets had Hitler's brain pickled in a jar in the basement of the Kremlin. Or maybe I am mixing up "The Man With Two Brains" and "Escape to Victory".

I thought that was just a cover story so that the USSR could use Hitler as a secret agent to infiltrate NASA to steal the plans for the space shuttle.

[Haymaker]

I thought the Soviets had Hitler's brain pickled in a jar in the basement of the Kremlin. Or maybe I am mixing up "The Man With Two Brains" and "Escape to Victory".

The Man With The Screaming Brain was better.

[GlesgaeHibby]

The US government dont do transparancy!

John F Kennedy...died in very strange circumstances(I believe it was bodyguard in front seat)
Roosevelt had polio.
George Bush Snr(Head of Cia)...never left office really.
George Bush Junior....Had Daddy pulling the strings.
Bill Clinton...sexual predator.
Hillary Clinton...Failed in everything she has ever done,plus is seriously ill.
Barrack Obama....7 errors on his birth certificatr,including being born in a hospital that closed 2 years before he was even born!
9/11....Biggest cover up in history!
Boston bombing....You will NEVER hear from or see that man again! His brother was killed in a shootout......But it was screened on national television the guy walking with his hands behind his head,naked,about tobe arrested....but suddenly died in a shootout?????

WTF is all you can really say!

Exactly, that's all I can say about your post. Mental.

[(((Fergus)))]

When Reality Turned Inside Out (http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150449295541/when-reality-turned-inside-out)

Posted September 15th, 2016 @ 10:49am (http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150449295541/when-reality-turned-inside-out) in #Trump Clinton (http://blog.dilbert.com/tagged/Trump-Clinton)
Do you remember way—-way—-way—back in July, when the public thought Trump was the candidate they couldn’t trust with the nuclear arsenal? That was before we realized he could moderate his personality on command, as he is doing now. We’re about to enter our fifth consecutive week of Trump doing more outreach than outrage.

Read more... (http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150449295541/when-reality-turned-inside-out)

[Ozymandias]

When Reality Turned Inside Out (http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150449295541/when-reality-turned-inside-out)

Posted September 15th, 2016 @ 10:49am (http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150449295541/when-reality-turned-inside-out) in #Trump Clinton (http://blog.dilbert.com/tagged/Trump-Clinton)
Do you remember way—-way—-way—back in July, when the public thought Trump was the candidate they couldn’t trust with the nuclear arsenal? That was before we realized he could moderate his personality on command, as he is doing now. We’re about to enter our fifth consecutive week of Trump doing more outreach than outrage.

Read more... (http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150449295541/when-reality-turned-inside-out)

That's an interesting way of twisting everything Trump is, says and does.

No mention of the staggering lack of detail on any policy whatsoever.
No mention of his consistent and breathtaking lying (only 15% of statements rated by Politifact are rated "true" or "mostly true"). Hillarys 50% isnt much to right home about but still miles ahead of Trump
No mention of his flip-flop during and then after the visit to Mexico on the wall.
No mention of his "foundation" which has had none of his money put in it since 2008
No mention of the 1/4 of funds raised going to Trump businesses or family.

The man is a dangerous buffoon. He's not a "winner" - he is a dangerous narcissist

[(((Fergus)))]

That's an interesting way of twisting everything Trump is, says and does. No mention of the staggering lack of detail on any policy whatsoever. No mention of his consistent and breathtaking lying (only 15% of statements rated by Politifact are rated "true" or "mostly true"). Hillarys 50% isnt much to right home about but still miles ahead of Trump No mention of his flip-flop during and then after the visit to Mexico on the wall. No mention of his "foundation" which has had none of his money put in it since 2008 No mention of the 1/4 of funds raised going to Trump businesses or family. The man is a dangerous buffoon. He's not a "winner" - he is a dangerous narcissist

Not so bad at the twisting yourself! But as the subtext of that article says: 'facts' don't matter, feelings do. See this vox pop, for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsxXty6vEBA

As for Trump turning attacks into fuel, this 'Les Deplorables' entry from last night is a great example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEiTKloMgBg

[Ozymandias]

Not so bad at the twisting yourself! But as the subtext of that article says: 'facts' don't matter, feelings do. See this vox pop, for example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsxXty6vEBA

As for Trump turning attacks into fuel, this 'Les Deplorables' entry from last night is a great example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEiTKloMgBg

I have no idea what I am meant to have twisted? Tell me which of the points I put out are incorrect - if they are wrong I'll gladly apologise.

As for the clips the main thought is "...and your point is?" Street vox pop deliberately duping people is not really illustrating anything, is it?

Facts do matter, and if you're happy for presentation being better than content then you're fairly deplorable. Talking of which, here is what Clinton said:


We are living in a volatile political environment. You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic -- you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people -- now 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks -- they are irredeemable, but thankfully they are not America."
"But the other basket -- and I know this because I see friends from all over America here -- I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas -- as well as, you know, New York and California -- but that other basket of people are people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well."

The fact is that she is right. If you consider racism, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia and Islamophobia to be in general fairly deplorable, then the stats support Clintons claim. For him to revel in this is utterly odious http://www.vox.com/2016/9/12/12882796/trump-supporters-racist-deplorables

(http://www.vox.com/2016/9/12/12882796/trump-supporters-racist-deplorables)

[RyeSloan]

I will stab a guess that it involves people who are secretly plotting a new world order and a one world government.

But these people already rule the world through their shadowy means so I very much doubt they want any change in the world order thank you very much.

Thing is there is plenty of corruption and policy that can be challenged and used to show why the likes of Clinton is an establishment play or how the 1% have used their power and influence to continue to consolidate their wealth without having to turn to tin pot conspiracy theories!

I am however still waiting on the clarification of what a Globalist is and looks like...whatever they are 98% is a terrifyingly large figure so I think we should all be extremely concerned...

[Ryan69]

So without me saying anything else...Is Hillary seriously ill..or dying/maybe dead)

She looked a lot lighter after emerging from Chelsea's apartment after Greenboro...and full of life.
Dont believe Everything your told!


Please take your heads out the sand....certain people at least!

Most people know...There is a plan! And Trump,you,I,Your dog...ain't part of it.

were gonna bankrupt o
the world.

10 years ago...Doomsday preppers were crazy bar stewards! Who are the crazy ones really...with everything that you know? ?? ??? ????

[NYHibby]

So without me saying anything else...Is Hillary seriously ill..or dying/maybe dead)

She looked a lot lighter after emerging from Chelsea's apartment after Greenboro...and full of life.
Dont believe Everything your told!

So to summarise your post, Weekend At Bernies III?

[Hibbyradge]

So without me saying anything else...Is Hillary seriously ill..or dying/maybe dead)

She looked a lot lighter after emerging from Chelsea's apartment after Greenboro...and full of life.
Dont believe Everything your told!


Please take your heads out the sand....certain people at least!

Most people know...There is a plan! And Trump,you,I,Your dog...ain't part of it.

were gonna bankrupt o
the world.

10 years ago...Doomsday preppers were crazy bar stewards! Who are the crazy ones really...with everything that you know? ?? ??? ????

I see your location is Amsterdam.

All is clear now.

[Ozymandias]

So without me saying anything else...Is Hillary seriously ill..or dying/maybe dead)

She looked a lot lighter after emerging from Chelsea's apartment after Greenboro...and full of life.
Dont believe Everything your told!


Please take your heads out the sand....certain people at least!

Most people know...There is a plan! And Trump,you,I,Your dog...ain't part of it.

were gonna bankrupt o
the world.

10 years ago...Doomsday preppers were crazy bar stewards! Who are the crazy ones really...with everything that you know? ?? ??? ????
fairly confident I know the answer to this question

[Mon Dieu4]

So without me saying anything else...Is Hillary seriously ill..or dying/maybe dead)

She looked a lot lighter after emerging from Chelsea's apartment after Greenboro...and full of life.
Dont believe Everything your told!


Please take your heads out the sand....certain people at least!

Most people know...There is a plan! And Trump,you,I,Your dog...ain't part of it.

were gonna bankrupt o
the world.

10 years ago...Doomsday preppers were crazy bar stewards! Who are the crazy ones really...with everything that you know? ?? ??? ????

I'm sure Trump has been bankrupt more than Hillary

[Pretty Boy]

fairly confident I know the answer to this question

Likewise.

With that in mind I'm packing up for a cabin in the highlands tonight, tinned food at the ready, supply of bottled water and a wind up radio to check for Radio 4.

[RyeSloan]

So without me saying anything else...Is Hillary seriously ill..or dying/maybe dead)

She looked a lot lighter after emerging from Chelsea's apartment after Greenboro...and full of life.
Dont believe Everything your told!


Please take your heads out the sand....certain people at least!

Most people know...There is a plan! And Trump,you,I,Your dog...ain't part of it.

were gonna bankrupt o
the world.

10 years ago...Doomsday preppers were crazy bar stewards! Who are the crazy ones really...with everything that you know? ?? ??? ????

I think she is definitely dead...are you suggesting she's actually an android?!?

There is conspiracy theories and there is conspiracy theories...this one 'trumps' the lot!

[CropleyWasGod]

I think she is definitely dead...are you suggesting she's actually an android?!?

There is conspiracy theories and there is conspiracy theories...this one 'trumps' the lot!
She's with the Rangers now.

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[GreenLake]

But these people already rule the world through their shadowy means so I very much doubt they want any change in the world order thank you very much.

Thing is there is plenty of corruption and policy that can be challenged and used to show why the likes of Clinton is an establishment play or how the 1% have used their power and influence to continue to consolidate their wealth without having to turn to tin pot conspiracy theories!

I am however still waiting on the clarification of what a Globalist is and looks like...whatever they are 98% is a terrifyingly large figure so I think we should all be extremely concerned...

It's a hard pick between international socialism (I think his Globalists are implementing that) and national socialism (the far right parties will spend everyone elses money too). It all comes down to which corrupt oligarchs we prefer to rule over us. Economists and bankers are happy to serve either and it seems the poets and the scientists are too.

[PeeJay]

https://youtu.be/nRp1CK_X_Yw

[jacomo]

When Reality Turned Inside Out (http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150449295541/when-reality-turned-inside-out)

Posted September 15th, 2016 @ 10:49am (http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150449295541/when-reality-turned-inside-out) in #Trump Clinton (http://blog.dilbert.com/tagged/Trump-Clinton)
Do you remember way—-way—-way—back in July, when the public thought Trump was the candidate they couldn’t trust with the nuclear arsenal? That was before we realized he could moderate his personality on command, as he is doing now. We’re about to enter our fifth consecutive week of Trump doing more outreach than outrage.

Read more... (http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150449295541/when-reality-turned-inside-out)

Wow. That really is deluded. And racist.

Hillary is promoting an anti-gay agenda by allowing immigration? Yes, because all brown people are homophobes, is that it?

Oh, and plenty of Trump's supporters are 'deplorables' - thick, ill-educated bigots. Apparently saying so isn't allowed, which is ironic because most of them rail against 'political correctness' stopping freedom of speech. But of course this irony goes right over their head, because they are thick.

If anyone is promoting bigotry, it is Trump - both by acting like a bigot himself, and by encouraging groups like the Tea Party to vent their bigoted views.

[Hibbyradge]

Wow. That really is deluded. And racist.

Hillary is promoting an anti-gay agenda by allowing immigration? Yes, because all brown people are homophobes, is that it?

Oh, and plenty of Trump's supporters are 'deplorables' - thick, ill-educated bigots. Apparently saying so isn't allowed, which is ironic because most of them rail against 'political correctness' stopping freedom of speech. But of course this irony goes right over their head, because they are thick.

If anyone is promoting bigotry, it is Trump - both by acting like a bigot himself, and by encouraging groups like the Tea Party to vent their bigoted views.

I stopped reading it after they said "probably". Utter drivel.

[cabbageandribs1875]

watched the vice-presidents debate last night, what a difference from the utter morons that are clinton and trump, republicans should have picked mike pence as their candidate, pity democrat kaine went on and on and on about trumps taxes(or non-taxes whatever) he sounded like a male clone of actress clinton

[jacomo]

So without me saying anything else...Is Hillary seriously ill..or dying/maybe dead)

She looked a lot lighter after emerging from Chelsea's apartment after Greenboro...and full of life.
Dont believe Everything your told!


Please take your heads out the sand....certain people at least!

Most people know...There is a plan! And Trump,you,I,Your dog...ain't part of it.

were gonna bankrupt o
the world.

10 years ago...Doomsday preppers were crazy bar stewards! Who are the crazy ones really...with everything that you know? ?? ??? ????

Oh dear lord.

Trump supporters were pouring over those photos, not just before and after on the day, but compared with lots of images of Hillary Clinton. Even in extreme close up. I honestly challenge you to show me any proof that it was a body double.

As for the woman who turned up for the 1st presidential debate - if that wasn't Hillary Clinton, I'm not a Hibs supporter.

Listen - whatever the elite is, Hillary is quite clearly a member. Her husband literally had the most powerful job on the planet. She has been at the top of American society for 20 years. She may well be out of touch with 'ordinary' people. She might not be a very nice person. You might not like her politics. By most sane measures, she is pretty right wing.

But still - to go from there and then make a wild leap to believe any old conspiracy theory?? Pur-lease.

[Hibbyradge]

Trump, the admitted sexual predator.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/08/donald-trump-forced-into-apology-as-sex-boast-tape-horrifies-republicans?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+main+NEW+H+categories&utm_term=193896&subid=16631905&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

[RyeSloan]

Trump, the admitted sexual predator.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/08/donald-trump-forced-into-apology-as-sex-boast-tape-horrifies-republicans?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+main+NEW+H+categories&utm_term=193896&subid=16631905&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

That's dynamite...how many more of these types of revelations and comments can he survive. The whole thing is turning into the biggest farce of all time!

[Pretty Boy]

That's dynamite...how many more of these types of revelations and comments can he survive. The whole thing is turning into the biggest farce of all time!

I think that the more of this that comes out the more his support will galvanise amongst certain groups.

They'll explain it as the 'liberal media' doing a number on Trump when it could be argued many Trump voters are actually just racists, misogynists, xenophobes, religious bigots or apologists for them.

[RyeSloan]

I think that the more of this that comes out the more his support will galvanise amongst certain groups.

They'll explain it as the 'liberal media' doing a number on Trump when it could be argued many Trump voters are actually just racists, misogynists, xenophobes, religious bigots or apologists for them.

Probably true but surely his support amongst the multiple groups he has attacked, most notably and repeatedly women, will be tanking.

This was even the last straw for a number of prominent Republicans.

[hibsbollah]

I think that the more of this that comes out the more his support will galvanise amongst certain groups.

They'll explain it as the 'liberal media' doing a number on Trump when it could be argued many Trump voters are actually just racists, misogynists, xenophobes, religious bigots or apologists for them.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/#!

Trump goes ahead of Hilary 46-43 according to the LA Times today. If anything, the more Trump acts up the role of misogynist arrogant racist prick, the more popular he gets. Politics is increasing becoming about mobilizing your core vote, not reaching out to the 'middle ground'. A cynic might say it was his team that leaked the 'grab pussy' footage with this is mind.

[heretoday]

He must have blown it now surely? Even given the fact that loads of guys take advantage of their position to try and snare females, the President is supposed to be above all that.
Except Bill Clinton obviously.

[Hibby Bairn]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/#!

Trump goes ahead of Hilary 46-43 according to the LA Times today. If anything, the more Trump acts up the role of misogynist arrogant racist prick, the more popular he gets. Politics is increasing becoming about mobilizing your core vote, not reaching out to the 'middle ground'. A cynic might say it was his team that leaked the 'grab pussy' footage with this is mind.

Good headline story on poll. Except it was polled up to 6th Oct and every other poll on a very long list shows the opposite trend.

Absolutely no way Trump can win and would be surprised if he was still a candidate in 2-3 days time.

[snooky]

He must have blown it now surely? Even given the fact that loads of guys take advantage of their position to try and snare females, the President is supposed to be above all that.
Except Bill Clinton obviously.

Bill Clinton was already President when he got caught up in Lewd-inski-gate.
Trump, as with Gary Hart, has fallen at the final fence before getting to the White House.
Megalomaniacs like Trump usually unwittingly put themselves up for a public hanging when they are given the rope.

[Colr]

That's dynamite...how many more of these types of revelations and comments can he survive. The whole thing is turning into the biggest farce of all time!

But we all know he's an asshole and he is we're he is. That might suggest this is not that relevant to his supporters.

[SHODAN]

Trump, the admitted sexual predator.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/08/donald-trump-forced-into-apology-as-sex-boast-tape-horrifies-republicans?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+main+NEW+H+categories&utm_term=193896&subid=16631905&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

"Yeah but what about Celtic Clinton???" Was literally his response. Classic whataboutery, sadly it didn't work.

[hibsbollah]

Absolutely no way Trump can win

I hope you're right. I also think its a complacent attitude. its close.

[GreenLake]

Trump, the admitted sexual predator.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/08/donald-trump-forced-into-apology-as-sex-boast-tape-horrifies-republicans?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+main+NEW+H+categories&utm_term=193896&subid=16631905&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

http://freebeacon.com/politics/audio-hillary-clinton-speaks-of-defense-of-child-rapist-in-newly-unearthed-tapes/

[Jim44]

Robert De Niro shoud come off the fence:

https://www.facebook.com/DailyMail/videos/1532668330126243/

[Holmesdale Hibs]

But we all know he's an asshole and he is we're he is. That might suggest this is not that relevant to his supporters.

I agree, his decided supporters will probably put this down to him as a bit of a 'maverick' so it won't affect them too much. There must be some moderate republicans and undecideds that will think again about voting for him after this though, surely. Although I guess Hilary won't be able to kill him off with this as other Democrats with non-sleezy partners could.

[GreenLake]

I agree, his decided supporters will probably put this down to him as a bit of a 'maverick' so it won't affect them too much. There must be some moderate republicans and undecideds that will think again about voting for him after this though, surely. Although I guess Hilary won't be able to kill him off with this as other Democrats with non-sleezy partners could.

http://ramrants.com/2016/10/yesterday-reason-can-no-longer-support-donald-trump/

[heretoday]

Trump is currently 7/2 to win. Might be worth a punt. I may as well make a few bob before WW3 begins.

[snooky]

Trump is currently 7/2 to win. Might be worth a punt. I may as well make a few bob before WW3 begins.

Btw, what were the odds on a Brexit 'Yes' vote?

[Benny Brazil]

Trump came out swinging tonight in the latest debate - he also rambles a lot and shows how little he actually knows about the issues.
Got to admit I did like his attack on Hilary about the whole email fiasco though

[matty_f]

Trump came out swinging tonight in the latest debate - he also rambles a lot and shows how little he actually knows about the issues.
Got to admit I did like his attack on Hilary about the whole email fiasco though

He was terrible. The guy's a complete idiot.

[Pretty Boy]

Trump came out swinging tonight in the latest debate - he also rambles a lot and shows how little he actually knows about the issues.
Got to admit I did like his attack on Hilary about the whole email fiasco though

Having watched clips of the debate it appeared when it came to the issue of trust Trump has Clinton rocking. He also played the misogyny issue the only way he could and it's made it less of a killer blow than it would have been had it not been Clinton in the other corner.

However when it comes to debate on actual policy he was repeatedly shown up. I don't really agree with many of Clintons policies but at least they are thought out, structured and coherent. When quizzed on policy Trump showed massive gaps in his knowledge, was rambling and offered quite literally no detail on half baked ideas.

Again I've no doubt that will appeal to some of his support base who value 'common sense' over structured plans but it should hopefully be a wake up call to those on the fence.

[Hibrandenburg]

Having watched clips of the debate it appeared when it came to the issue of trust Trump has Clinton rocking. He also played the misogyny issue the only way he could and it's made it less of a killer blow than it would have been had it not been Clinton in the other corner.

However when it comes to debate on actual policy he was repeatedly shown up. I don't really agree with many of Clintons policies but at least they are thought out, structured and coherent. When quizzed on policy Trump showed massive gaps in his knowledge, was rambling and offered quite literally no detail on half baked ideas.

Again I've no doubt that will appeal to some of his support base who value 'common sense' over structured plans but it should hopefully be a wake up call to those on the fence.

It was a circus as usual. Trump has entertainment value which probably makes him the better of the two candidates, however Clinton would make the better president if that makes sense. Both still poor choices from their respective parties though.

[JeMeSouviens]

Having watched clips of the debate it appeared when it came to the issue of trust Trump has Clinton rocking. He also played the misogyny issue the only way he could and it's made it less of a killer blow than it would have been had it not been Clinton in the other corner.

However when it comes to debate on actual policy he was repeatedly shown up. I don't really agree with many of Clintons policies but at least they are thought out, structured and coherent. When quizzed on policy Trump showed massive gaps in his knowledge, was rambling and offered quite literally no detail on half baked ideas.

Again I've no doubt that will appeal to some of his support base who value 'common sense' over structured plans but it should hopefully be a wake up call to those on the fence.

Pretty much any other candidate would have won easily against Clinton, her favourability ratings are dire. The Republican party needs to have a long, hard look at how it does primaries if it ever wants to have another president. To appeal to the Republican base you now either have to make yourself sound like a complete moron (McCain, Romney) or actually be a complete moron (Trump).

[Mibbes Aye]

Pretty much any other candidate would have won easily against Clinton, her favourability ratings are dire. The Republican party needs to have a long, hard look at how it does primaries if it ever wants to have another president. To appeal to the Republican base you now either have to make yourself sound like a complete moron (McCain, Romney) or actually be a complete moron (Trump).

The challenge for the Republicans is that they have a number of very different factions within the movement and there are some irreconcilable differences between them.

Continental America is generally Democratic blue around its edges and Republican red inside. Throughout those states, consistent over the decades are votes who are innately conservative, with a small 'c' - no criticism or value judgement there, it's just how it looks. I've no idea how many of them will know who Edmund Burke was, but they're essentially in sympathy with his sensibilities.

There's then a grouping who are right-wing and religious - evangelical to a great extent. Well-organised and motivated and a powerful faction within the Republican Party, especially in the South.

Similarly right-wing but definitely not religious, you have the libertarian element, who shun theology but embrace ideology. For them, the federal government and the organised churches are anathema.

And then there's a more moderate, socially liberal element, pragmatic, sometimes pro-choice and with a big focus on reducing the federal government footprint because they see that as a spur for economic growth rather than reaffirming the Constitution.

Any successful candidate has to find a way of picking up delegates from more than one of those groupings, whether through their own campaigning or through a choice of running mate. That's no easy task!

At the same time, how does a Republican candidate then go on and try and pitch convincingly to a key demographic - for example, one analysis would suggest that unless the Republicans can up their vote with Hispanic people (amongst others), they will always struggle to win a presidential election. Polling shows Hispanic voters trust the Democrats more, massively, on immigration and healthcare for example. The Republicans moving closer to Democratic policy in those areas is unthinkable for some of the factions, either way.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

The challenge for the Republicans is that they have a number of very different factions within the movement and there are some irreconcilable differences between them.

Continental America is generally Democratic blue around its edges and Republican red inside. Throughout those states, consistent over the decades are votes who are innately conservative, with a small 'c' - no criticism or value judgement there, it's just how it looks. I've no idea how many of them will know who Edmund Burke was, but they're essentially in sympathy with his sensibilities.

There's then a grouping who are right-wing and religious - evangelical to a great extent. Well-organised and motivated and a powerful faction within the Republican Party, especially in the South.

Similarly right-wing but definitely not religious, you have the libertarian element, who shun theology but embrace ideology. For them, the federal government and the organised churches are anathema.

And then there's a more moderate, socially liberal element, pragmatic, sometimes pro-choice and with a big focus on reducing the federal government footprint because they see that as a spur for economic growth rather than reaffirming the Constitution.

Any successful candidate has to find a way of picking up delegates from more than one of those groupings, whether through their own campaigning or through a choice of running mate. That's no easy task!

At the same time, how does a Republican candidate then go on and try and pitch convincingly to a key demographic - for example, one analysis would suggest that unless the Republicans can up their vote with Hispanic people (amongst others), they will always struggle to win a presidential election. Polling shows Hispanic voters trust the Democrats more, massively, on immigration and healthcare for example. The Republicans moving closer to Democratic policy in those areas is unthinkable for some of the factions, either way.

Good analysis. Its sad to see the decline of a once great party, the GOP, and in some ways it mirrors the decline of the labour party here.

Basically society has moved away from them, and their own internal fights and problems are stopping them from moving also.

It does seem anachronistic however that the country in the world that prides itself so much on individualism should habe such a rigid two-party system. Maybe its fracturing is inevitable?

[Future17]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37614095