Does anyone on here want Trump to win in November?

[Just Alf]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37614095
How does he get away with all this? I dread.to think what the world would be like if he got the presidency :-(

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[steakbake]

I'm not particularly hopeful either way - Clinton is a total hawk. Trump, a total liability. Would hate to have to make that choice on Nov 8th but as it goes, better the devil you know than the unpredictable showman?

Plus (according to some on the altRight), Clinton isn't long for this world anyway, so Tim Kaine would take over and while bland, he seems pretty inoffensive.

[Moulin Yarns]

I was talking to an American today and came to the conclusion that Donald trump doesn't want to win. He told his supporters to all come out and vote on November 28th.

[Moulin Yarns]

Anybody looking for help with the American election


http://2016election.procon.org/view.source-summary-chart.php

why are Johnson and Stein not getting the same coverage as Clinton and Trump?

[Hibrandenburg]

Trump took a kicking last night and is now screaming foul play before a vote has been cast and refuses to say he'll accept the result however it turns out. Could get very bloody.

[Colr]

Anybody looking for help with the American election


http://2016election.procon.org/view.source-summary-chart.php

why are Johnson and Stein not getting the same coverage as Clinton and Trump?

Rich Hall's explanation on his Radio 4 show was clear as well as humorous.

[Colr]

Trump took a kicking last night and is now screaming foul play before a vote has been cast and refuses to say he'll accept the result however it turns out. Could get very bloody.

Might be preparing for some desperate face saving if it's a landslide against him.

[Hibbyradge]

Might be preparing for some desperate face saving if it's a landslide against him.

Indeed.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/17/man-who-cried-rigged-problem-with-trump-election-claims?client=ms-android-samsung

[Colr]

Trump should sack his tailor. For the money he has to spend, nobody's sleeves should be so ill fitting.

[Mon Dieu4]

Trump should sack his tailor. For the money he has to spend, nobody's sleeves should be so ill fitting.

It's his wee hands

[BroxburnHibee]

I honestly think if the republicans ditched him now and put up someone moderate in his place (if such a candidate exists) they'd still have a great chance of winning.

Clinton is winning by default.

[calumhibee1]

I'll admit to knowing nothing about politics, however, I find it very difficult to believe all these women that are coming out. Every day a new woman comes out with a scandalous story to tell about him from 20 years ago that they've just decided to tell now, a matter of weeks before the election. And a new one comes out on a daily basis...

[Mon Dieu4]

I'll admit to knowing nothing about politics, however, I find it very difficult to believe all these women that are coming out. Every day a new woman comes out with a scandalous story to tell about him from 20 years ago that they've just decided to tell now, a matter of weeks before the election. And a new one comes out on a daily basis...

Dont know if its true or not but could be like Jimmy Saville, once one comes out then others get the bravery to do the same

[heretoday]

At the end of it all you'd be hard pushed to say what the policies of the respective candidates are. We know more about their private lives than we do about their abilities to do the job.

It's a shame there isn't a third choice - or is there?

[calumhibee1]

Dont know if its true or not but could be like Jimmy Saville, once one comes out then others get the bravery to do the same

True, never really thought about it that way.

[Future17]

Dont know if its true or not but could be like Jimmy Saville, once one comes out then others get the bravery to do the same

When he dies and isn't around to defend himself? Given how wealthy he is, I would imagine that will happen now whether the allegations are true or not.

[CropleyWasGod]

At the end of it all you'd be hard pushed to say what the policies of the respective candidates are. We know more about their private lives than we do about their abilities to do the job.

It's a shame there isn't a third choice - or is there?
There are at least a 3rd,4th and 5th choice.

Gary Johnson from the Libertarians. A woman from the Greens. And a weirdo who lives with tigers.

John Oliver made a case for them last night, then ripped them apart. As he does 😁

A better choice would be the spoiled paper......
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[Mon Dieu4]

And a weirdo who lives with tigers.



Siegfried and Roy would be great running mates and are what this is missing

[ballengeich]

There are at least a 3rd,4th and 5th choice.

Gary Johnson from the Libertarians. A woman from the Greens. And a weirdo who lives with tigers.

John Oliver made a case for them last night, then ripped them apart. As he does 😁

A better choice would be the spoiled paper......
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There was a good suggestion on Question Time yesterday evening - if you're in a state where the outcome is certain vote for a third choice. If you're in a marginal hold your nose and vote Clinton.

[The Green Goblin]

There are at least a 3rd,4th and 5th choice.

Gary Johnson from the Libertarians. A woman from the Greens. And a weirdo who lives with tigers.

John Oliver made a case for them last night, then ripped them apart. As he does 😁

A better choice would be the spoiled paper......
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Enough spoiled papers, and Trump might just get in, no? Unlikely, but also not worth the risk.

[Betty Boop]

Oh dear terrible timing for Clinton.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/hillary-clinton-emails-investigation-re-opened-fbi-a7385706.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/hillary-clinton-emails-investigation-re-opened-fbi-a7385706.htmlOh)

[Colr]

Oh dear terrible timing for Clinton.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/hillary-clinton-emails-investigation-re-opened-fbi-a7385706.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/hillary-clinton-emails-investigation-re-opened-fbi-a7385706.htmlOh)

Was this on the back of more wikileaks?

I supposed an alleged rapist like Assange would clearly relate the Trump.

[marinello59]

Was this on the back of more wikileaks?

I supposed an alleged rapist like Assange would clearly relate the Trump.

Shhhhhh. There are still some who can't see him as the self serving narcissist that he is.

[(((Fergus)))]

Deliciously ironic prospect of Clinton getting schlonged by the Weiner probe.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cv4S3QOXgAAfj9Q.jpg

[Pretty Boy]

Shhhhhh. There are still some who can't see him as the self serving narcissist that he is.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/heres-what-i-learned-about-julian-assange?utm_term=.ligJggoWG#.tjGyzz7Dl

It's not exactly a highbrow news source but it's quite an interesting read all the same imo.

[The Green Goblin]

I'm starting to wonder if Trump might shock everyone and sneak it...

[Colr]

I'm starting to wonder if Trump might shock everyone and sneak it...

I watched the movie Children of Men last night. Strangely prophetic. Worth a look.

[calumhibee1]

I know it's been said a million times but they really have a horrendous decision to make. Clinton is up for criminal investigation yet she probably still seems like the more logical choice of the two.

[hibsbollah]

I watched the movie Children of Men last night. Strangely prophetic. Worth a look.

If you want prophetic read Philip Roths 'The War Against America'. It's ten years old or something but it is amazingly accurate in the rise of Trump and the US intolerant right.

[High-On-Hibs]

Most of the things you hear about the candidates in these elections are complete bull. It's all swings and roundabouts stirred up by the media to keep people in a state of suspense. Expect more last gasp stories about Clinton and Trump in the dying seconds of the campaign. Stories that just happen to be discovered just as people go to fill in their ballot paper.

The media already knows who's won.

[Colr]

If you want prophetic read Philip Roths 'The War Against America'. It's ten years old or something but it is amazingly accurate in the rise of Trump and the US intolerant right.

Was recommended on Radio 4 the other day as well.

[The Green Goblin]

I watched the movie Children of Men last night. Strangely prophetic. Worth a look.

One of my favourite films ever. :agree: Devastating, isn't it? The parallels with things we have been seeing recently are many and frightening.

[(((Fergus)))]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwF1r8BWYAQTYEN.jpg

[Betty Boop]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwF1r8BWYAQTYEN.jpg

Ha ha :greengrin

[calumhibee1]

Trump a point ahead in the opinion polls. What would be the likely effect of GBP-USD either way here? Both fairly unpopular candidates to say the least, trumps a psycho and Clintons main plus point is that she's not trump. For purely selfish reasons I'm hoping for an increase in the GBP-USD exchange rate although I know very little about what makes these things move.

[Ozymandias]

Trump a point ahead in the opinion polls. What would be the likely effect of GBP-USD either way here? Both fairly unpopular candidates to say the least, trumps a psycho and Clintons main plus point is that she's not trump. For purely selfish reasons I'm hoping for an increase in the GBP-USD exchange rate although I know very little about what makes these things move.

No expert myself, but I suspect the $ will crash horrendously if Trump wins. There is a reason why "the establishment" don't support him. If you're a redneck simpleton or a good ol' boy it' because they're all terrified of how Trump will challenge what they do. It's actually because he is a dangerous loon with a budgetary plan that will lead to a recession and a massively destabilising entity with almost zero international credibility.

Clinton is fairly awful in many ways, but she is of a magnitude less dangerous to the immediate and long term future of the world than Trump.

[GlesgaeHibby]

No expert myself, but I suspect the $ will crash horrendously if Trump wins. There is a reason why "the establishment" don't support him. If you're a redneck simpleton or a good ol' boy it' because they're all terrified of how Trump will challenge what they do. It's actually because he is a dangerous loon with a budgetary plan that will lead to a recession and a massively destabilising entity with almost zero international credibility.

Clinton is fairly awful in many ways, but she is of a magnitude less dangerous to the immediate and long term future of the world than Trump.

Not sure I can agree with that. I'd be more worried about America going to War with Clinton in charge than Trump.

Two truly awful candidates for the Americans to choose between. The only benefit of Clinton being elected would be that Trump hasn't, and vice versa.

[steakbake]

I've got a feeling Trump is going to nick it. The only people to blame for that is Clinton and the Dems. They chose the wrong candidate.

Like you, Glesgae, that doesn't frighten me particularly. I wouldn't want to live in America but I don't think Trump is a warmonger. Clinton we know, is.

I think the US would be quite different under Trump. He's talked of pulling US troops out of South Korea and Japan. We has also talked about a multinational solution to the war in Syria. And he's not paranoid about Putin.

Clinton would certainly continue the cycle of war.

That said, it's pretty amusing to see the FBI effectively trying to dictate the course of the election with the email investigation. The US has been responsible for coups all around the world. Would be pretty funny if their presidential election was also a victim of their shenanigans.

[Just Alf]

The South Korea one worries me, I genuinely feel that the USA support (and presence) in the South is stopping things escalating.

With you on the FBI bit! :D


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[Ryan69]

No expert myself, but I suspect the $ will crash horrendously if Trump wins. There is a reason why "the establishment" don't support him. If you're a redneck simpleton or a good ol' boy it' because they're all terrified of how Trump will challenge what they do. It's actually because he is a dangerous loon with a budgetary plan that will lead to a recession and a massively destabilising entity with almost zero international credibility.

Clinton is fairly awful in many ways, but she is of a magnitude less dangerous to the immediate and long term future of the world than Trump.

And how do you come to that conclusion?

Considering all the lies and corruption that Hillary has proven tobe involved in.

[Just Alf]

I'm guessing it's because she's more "establishment " than Trump so (hopefully!) more likley to take advice on board.


Maybe :-/

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[Hibbyradge]

And how do you come to that conclusion?

Considering all the lies and corruption that Hillary has proven tobe involved in.

What corruption was she proven to be involved in?

[Hibs Class]

And how do you come to that conclusion?

Considering all the lies and corruption that Hillary has proven tobe involved in.

As opposed to Trump who you presumably think is famed for his honesty? His lies are so breathtakingly dishonest and obviously lies that it makes you wonder if he genuinely believes them himself.

[cabbageandribs1875]

you have to feel for the yanks, hilary ****** clinton, and a slimey bare-faced lying crooked sexual predator...














then there's donald trump

[Ozymandias]

And how do you come to that conclusion?

Considering all the lies and corruption that Hillary has proven tobe involved in.

Politifact rate 26% of Hillarys statements to be "Mostly False", "False" or "Pants on Fire". The equivalent for Trump is 71%.

The conclusion is based on a number of things:
1) The world and the world economy thrives on stability. Trump is unquestioningly a destabilising influence - indeed a lot of his appeal is that he is not of the political establishment.
2) Trump has listed SCOTUS nominees that are almost exclusively evangelical, far right republicans. The impact on civil liberties and the possible turnover of progressive laws such as same-sex marriage and potentially even Roe v Wade are real risks. Creationism in schools anyone?
3) Trump has already asked why he cant use nuclear weapons. This is not a good thing that he needs to ask.
4) He has no understanding of Middle East politics. His plan to beat ISIS seems to be "lets not tell them what we're doing". If only miltary commanders for all of history had this insight!
5) His overt racism and sexism mean that it will not be good to be black, hispanic, gay, non-christian or female in the USA.

Finally, anyone who has the support of such a range of luminaries as David Duke, Louis Gohmert, Nigel Farage, Katie Hopkins, Jim Bakker and Rush Limbaugh is clearly appealing to the wrong block of humanity.

[Ryan69]

What corruption was she proven to be involved in?

Clinton Foundation
Benghazi
Screwing over Bernie Sanders
Rigging Palestinian election

There are too many to mention.

Voting Clinton is basically saying we want to continue the rich getting richer,middle class falling closer to poverty and basically saying sje can lie to everybody and its ok

[CropleyWasGod]

Clinton Foundation
Benghazi
Screwing over Bernie Sanders
Rigging Palestinian election

There are too many to mention.

Voting Clinton is basically saying we want to continue the rich getting richer,middle class falling closer to poverty and basically saying sje can lie to everybody and its ok

There's a big difference between allegation and proof, though.

You forgot Whitewater.....:wink:

[Hibee87]

America is screwed regardless of who wins in my opinion.

Being asked who you want to win is like being asked who you want to win in a rangers v celtic match. You reply, cant they both lose?

what an awful awful pair of candidates to have to chose from.

But dont worry, Obama 'who has done nothing whilst in office' will start WW3 with Russia before next Friday so that he can stay in power and bring Daesh to America as a secret ISIS member (You've got to love the internet when you read statements like this)

[Moulin Yarns]

America is screwed regardless of who wins in my opinion.

Being asked who you want to win is like being asked who you want to win in a rangers v celtic match. You reply, cant they both lose?

what an awful awful pair of candidates to have to chose from.

But dont worry, Obama 'who has done nothing whilst in office' will start WW3 with Russia before next Friday so that he can stay in power and bring Daesh to America as a secret ISIS member (You've got to love the internet when you read statements like this)

Just want to point out, not aimed at anyone, and it is the medias fault, but there are actually a few more presidential candidates than get coverage. Unfortunately they still believe in the 2 party system the UK had for years.

http://www.politics1.com/p2016.htm

[Ryan69]

There's a big difference between allegation and proof, though.

You forgot Whitewater.....:wink:

The list of her deciet and corruption could fill a book.

I know Trump is far from great,but voting for Kilary.....you would need your head tested.

She cannot be trusted in anything she does!

[CropleyWasGod]

The list of her deciet and corruption could fill a book.

I know Trump is far from great,but voting for Kilary.....you would need your head tested.

She cannot be trusted in anything she does!

It's one thing reading allegations, and social media gossip.

It's another thing proving it.

[Ryan69]

It's one thing reading allegations, and social media gossip.

It's another thing proving it.

She is guilty as sin....and you and everybody else knows it!

[Mr White]

She is guilty as sin....and you and everybody else knows it!

I thought I knew you from somewhere, you were on jury duty with me in 2010 weren't you?
:greengrin

[CropleyWasGod]

She is guilty as sin....and you and everybody else knows it!

That's where we differ.

In my life, and work, I tend to base my opinions on facts and evidence.

So.... I don't know it. I may suspect it, but until someone provides me with hard evidence, I'll wallow in my boring old prejudices, thank you.

The floor is yours.... :greengrin

[(((Fergus)))]

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/secallen/Screenshot%202016-11-03%2019.50.17_zps79daclps.png


Another plug for the most interesting source of commentary (IMO) and accurate prediction (not MO) in this election cycle:

Persuasion scorecard one week out (http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152644376081/the-persuasion-scorecard-update-one-week-out)

[calumhibee1]

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/secallen/Screenshot%202016-11-03%2019.50.17_zps79daclps.png


Another plug for the most interesting source of commentary (IMO) and accurate prediction (not MO) in this election cycle:

Persuasion scorecard one week out (http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152644376081/the-persuasion-scorecard-update-one-week-out)

That article is a load of absolute pish. I actually don't give a f either way what happens, they're both as bad as each other in my eyes. That article and tweet are absolute ***** though.

[Ryan69]

That's where we differ.

In my life, and work, I tend to base my opinions on facts and evidence.

So.... I don't know it. I may suspect it, but until someone provides me with hard evidence, I'll wallow in my boring old prejudices, thank you.

The floor is yours.... :greengrin

Why do you think people like Julian Assange should be destroyed by a drone?
If theres no truth...You wouldnt go out your way to shut them up!

Conspiracy theorists have been around for decades...and now you feel there is potential...Its right!

Lets move forward as a sheep and follow what money provides you?
Or
Wake up...and realise how the world is being run!

Now is the main focal point to allowing it....OR NOT!

We have enough money and resources...

[snooky]

Not sure I can agree with that. I'd be more worried about America going to War with Clinton in charge than Trump.

Two truly awful candidates for the Americans to choose between. The only benefit of Clinton being elected would be that Trump hasn't, and vice versa.

God bless America, however you just wonder if He's having second thoughts. :hmmm:

[CropleyWasGod]

Why do you think people like Julian Assange should be destroyed by a drone?
If theres no truth...You wouldnt go out your way to shut them up!

Conspiracy theorists have been around for decades...and now you feel there is potential...Its right!

Lets move forward as a sheep and follow what money provides you?
Or
Wake up...and realise how the world is being run!

Now is the main focal point to allowing it....OR NOT!

We have enough money and resources...
None of which answers my question.

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[Ryan69]

None of which answers my question.

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I wasnt answering your question.

[Mon Dieu4]

I wasnt answering your question.

I like your Trump approach, just answer the question you want

[CropleyWasGod]

I wasnt answering your question.
Really? [emoji1]


Here's the thing, though. You could have used the example of Hillary's "misremembering" being under fire when she was in Iraq. But you didn't. You lost your way in the maze of your ranting, which was based on your political stance. You're entitled to your stance, of course. But, when it is challenged, and you can't support it with evidence and proof, your argument loses all credibility.

[Hibbyradge]

Here's Philip Collins in today's edition of 'The Times' doing his journalistic bit to redress the balance in support of Hillary Clinton.

He makes a very telling point that having Bill as her husband has probably done far more damage to her campaign than good!

"When Hillary Clinton was searching for a title for her book about four years as secretary of state, she considered calling it The Scrunchie Chronicles: 112 Countries And It’s Still About My Hair. Her text sets out the dilemmas present in Burma, Afghanistan, Russia, the Middle East and Syria, so Hard Choices proved to be a wiser title.

It is a thoughtful and serious book, exactly the manual for power you would hope a presidential candidate had read. That the candidate has written it is a bonus.

An unkind critic might suggest the main drawback of Hard Choices is the caution of the author’s judgments. Sometimes the choices are so hard she doesn’t make them.

You might also say that the book parades the perennial wisdom of the bien pensant East Coast foreign policy establishment. It is all rather technical and dry, a treatise on policy without verve. It is the work of an accomplished technocrat and impressive diplomat but written in flat prose rather than the rhythmic poetry of a political campaign.

This is the essence of the accusation that Hillary Clinton is not a good candidate to be president. The usual shorthand is that she “lacks charisma”. It is possible, of course, to be a poor candidate and yet a good president. Mrs Clinton is a partisan figure who struggles to draw Republicans into the Democrat fold. She speaks rather as she writes: in dense sentences replete with policy detail. Charisma is an important political currency and perhaps it is a reasonable judgment that Mrs Clinton lacks it.

But it is still puzzling that this apparent deficit of charisma is played against her so often. The sexism here is not in the judgment, it is in the category selection. Does Mrs Merkel lack charisma? Probably, not that it matters. Does Mrs May? Likewise. Whether or not Mrs Clinton lacks charisma, she assuredly does not lack the respect of presidents and prime ministers the world over, experience of the tragic conflicts of government, calm judgment, detailed knowledge of domestic policy, intelligence, humour, stamina and strength, both mental and physical. Mrs Clinton does not lack, in other words, the set of attributes that will make her a good president of the United States.

Mrs Clinton doesn’t sound like a bad candidate to me, and that’s even before we turn to the alternative. The one candidate in this election whose hair does warrant a book of its own is Donald Trump. When he is not written off as beyond belief, Mr Trump is often described, presumably to connote tragedy, as “Shakespearean”. The best source from what is going on in this presidential election is actually one of the comedies. Much Ado About Nothing is a meditation on honour, shame and court politics. The title is a pun with three meanings. It is all a fuss over nothing, everything is minutely observed and it is a radical take on the power of women. It is much ado about those members of the species who, in the Elizabethan slang, have no thing.

Shakespeare gets to the point of the vital part that Mrs Clinton lacks. How else can we explain the vitriol that comes her way? It is not Mrs Clinton who threatens critics with legal action, who throws out uncongenial reporters, who applauds Mr Putin, who demonises Muslims and who avoids federal taxes. It is not Mrs Clinton who boasts about sexual prowess or makes derogatory remarks about how people are not worth assaulting because they are too ugly.

After saying all that, Mr Trump, incredibly, trod the path taken by many presidents in the wake of Lincoln, to make a speech at Gettysburg. Eisenhower and Kennedy spoke there to applaud the American constitution. Trump used it to declare a media conspiracy.

The truth is that Mrs Clinton gets the raw deal. Analysis by the Kennedy School at Harvard of CBS, the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal found they were more critical of Mrs Clinton than any other Republican or Democratic candidate. There has been more coverage of the FBI’s inquiry into Mrs Clinton’s private server than all policy questions combined even though an extensive trawl has unearthed nothing that warrants charges. The polls suggest that, if only men voted, Mr Trump would win. Fifty-two per cent of white men hold a “very unfavourable” view of Mrs Clinton, which moved President Obama to ask male voters to search their minds and hearts for the signs of sexism.

For Mrs Clinton the signs of sexism have been there from the start. She was always criticised for not looking, or playing, the part of a governor’s wife back in Arkansas in 1979. In 1992, when her husband first ran for president, Mrs Clinton was described by Republicans as a “feminazi” because, as the holder of a doctor of law degree from Yale, she was not a conventional mother. The critics then had it the other way because, when Mrs Clinton stayed with her husband after the revelation of his infidelities, her marriage was written off in the manner of Dogberry in Much Ado About Nothing: “Marry, sir, they have committed false report; moreover, they have spoken untruths; secondarily, they are slanders; sixth and lastly, they have belied a lady; thirdly, they have verified unjust things; and, to conclude, they are lying knaves”.

There is a sense in Washington that it is not just a political machine that the Clintons run; it is a cash machine
Which brings us to the uncomfortable point that the problem for Hillary Clinton is not so much her first name as her second. Bill Clinton certainly has the thing that Hillary lacks, and I don’t mean charisma, though he has that too. It seems obvious, though hard to prove, that the American public lets Bill off the hook but punishes Hillary for his misdemeanours. There is a sense in Washington that it is not just a political machine that the Clintons run; it is a cash machine. From Whitewater onwards, minor scandal skirts the Clintons. Most people will have no notion of the emails Hillary Clinton wrote but they might have a propensity to believe there was something nefarious about them.

For people on the left, Bill Clinton is the supernova and they don’t wish to be told that his presidency was all much ado about nothing. It was, though, because he ducked every hard choice he was ever offered. Unless millions of usually silent Americans turn out to vote Trump on November 8, which they might, Hillary Clinton will become the best president in her household and, note this, the first female president of the United States of America.

“Equal and exact justice to all men,” said Thomas Jefferson. This cautious, serious candidate for office has all the conventional virtues and yet she is entirely unusual at the same time. It will not be a fuss over nothing. It will be a remarkable, deserved success for a person of high calibre. It is a mark of the prejudice Hillary Clinton is battling that so few people have noted that."

[Ozymandias]

Why do you think people like Julian Assange should be destroyed by a drone?
If theres no truth...You wouldnt go out your way to shut them up!

Conspiracy theorists have been around for decades...and now you feel there is potential...Its right!

Lets move forward as a sheep and follow what money provides you?
Or
Wake up...and realise how the world is being run!

Now is the main focal point to allowing it....OR NOT!

We have enough money and resources...

This is another of your posts in this thread where you just brain dump thoughts.
How do you envisage the world will be run after Trump is elected, if God forbid it happens. Not rhetoric, just some examples of how the powerful will be less powerful and the plebian hordes somehow cared for?

I still don't quite my head around republicans voting (in their heads) for power to the people. in practice (as Trump as said, explicitly, and often) he will swing an axe through regulation. Bye bye workers rights. Bye bye environment. Hello exploitation.

[easty]

I like your Trump approach, just answer the question you want

:tee hee:

[McD]

Why do you think people like Julian Assange should be destroyed by a drone?
If theres no truth...You wouldnt go out your way to shut them up!

Conspiracy theorists have been around for decades...and now you feel there is potential...Its right!

Lets move forward as a sheep and follow what money provides you?
Or
Wake up...and realise how the world is being run!

Now is the main focal point to allowing it....OR NOT!

We have enough money and resources...


where exactly did CWG say Julian Assange should be destroyed by a drome? :confused:

You keep prattling on about dark and shadowy conspiracies, and anytime you're asked for evidence you either ignore the post or reply with another rambling incoherent monologue (see the quoted post as an example).

Most of us apply a fairly consistent approach to things like this: we read/hear/see information about a person/situation, we seek evidence to guide our thoughts and understanding, and we form a rational, reasoned opinion, which we can coherently impart when required.

Your point about why shut people up when there's no truth - if someone was going about calling your wife a slapper, wouldn't you want to shut them up, even if it's not true?

[Hibbyradge]

http://shareblue.com/hillary-clinton-is-one-of-the-most-ethical-and-most-lied-about-political-leaders-in-america/

[Betty Boop]

Was this on the back of more wikileaks?

I supposed an alleged rapist like Assange would clearly relate the Trump.



Is Clinton along with the media, not blaming the Russians?

[snooky]

Just spotted a photo on BBC news website of Trump holding up a baby in Tampa, Florida.
Maybe it's just me, but I think he might be strangling it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-37885105

[cabbageandribs1875]

how the heck did the FBI manage to read through 650,000 e-mails in just a few days :confused:

[Peevemor]

how the heck did the FBI manage to read through 650,000 e-mails in just a few days :confused:

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/espritscriminels/images/1/1f/Reid_S10.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150404183522&path-prefix=fr

[Future17]

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/espritscriminels/images/1/1f/Reid_S10.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150404183522&path-prefix=fr

:greengrin

[cabbageandribs1875]

http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/espritscriminels/images/1/1f/Reid_S10.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150404183522&path-prefix=fr


cool, i was watching episodes from season 12 just last night :agree: they would need quite a few spencer reid's though

[Beefster]

how the heck did the FBI manage to read through 650,000 e-mails in just a few days :confused:

They didn't need to read through every email. They just find the emails with Clinton as an addressee and read those ones.

The amount to be checked was probably a tiny fraction of the total.

[PeeJay]

They didn't need to read through every email. They just find the emails with Clinton as an addressee and read those ones.

The amount to be checked was probably a tiny fraction of the total.

Think you're right there - most of the "checks" will have been put through text-recognition software anyway ... or maybe they asked the Russkis for help :greengrin

[RyeSloan]

They didn't need to read through every email. They just find the emails with Clinton as an addressee and read those ones.

The amount to be checked was probably a tiny fraction of the total.

They will have just asked the NSA for a hand, they are pretty good at analysing significantly more email traffic than that! [emoji12]

[TheReg!]

I fear under Clinton the Middle East will spiral into a much larger conflict, she is too much in bed with the Sunni Muslims in the region (Saudi, Qatar etc). Isis and other nut jobs have been funded by SA and trained by US/U.K. SF in SA . 4 years of America being inward looking would be for the better of the planet IMHO, Something has to give, I believe the US/UK should concentrate with Iraq and let the Russians along with Assad retake Syria, yup it's a total mess but under Clinton it will get a whole lot worse.
Trump is the overall the lesser evil

[Holmesdale Hibs]

An American mate of mine sent me this link: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/11/03/republicans-are-now-vowing-total-war-and-the-consequences-could-be-immense/

He described the WaPo as a well respected newspaper which leans a bit to the left, so a bit like the US equivalent of the Guardian. Decent read and worrying if true. The guy was always quite a strong republican until Trump came along.

[Just Alf]

An American mate of mine sent me this link: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/11/03/republicans-are-now-vowing-total-war-and-the-consequences-could-be-immense/

He described the WaPo as a well respected newspaper which leans a bit to the left, so a bit like the US equivalent of the Guardian. Decent read and worrying if true. The guy was always quite a strong republican until Trump came along.
That is a scary read... it sounds like a conspiracy theory... unfortunately every single thing mentioned is true (and backed up with supporting links/info).



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[snooky]

The cowboys will vote for the cowboy :cb

[BroxburnHibee]

Sadly I've a feeling Trump is gonna win this....

[Pretty Boy]

Sadly I've a feeling Trump is gonna win this....

A few of the last polls seemed to show him doing well in the swing states but Clinton 4 points up nationally.

Too close to call imo.

[Colr]

A few of the last polls seemed to show him doing well in the swing states but Clinton 4 points up nationally.

Too close to call imo.

Al Gore won nationally.

[Off the bar]

anyone else staying up to watch the results come in? No big surprises so far, looking like Clinton to win

[Off the bar]

Florida looking frighteningly close

[Pretty Boy]

No one on TV is wanting to say it but Trump is in a pretty good place right now.

[Off the bar]

No one on TV is wanting to say it but Trump is in a pretty good place right now.

Yup the perfect clean sweep he needed is looking on. Nate Silvers model is giving trump 26% of winning at the moment, but this is starting to feel like watching the brexit vote coming in, it's just starting to feel like Trump can do it. Grim viewing, I'm back to the highland park.

[BroxburnHibee]

Seems like my earlier prediction is looking likely.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i fully expect that woman to win, after which i wonder how long it will take her to realise that as much as trump has shot himself in the foot so many times in the last 2 months(and historical transgressions getting exposure) that still at least half the country voted against her/don't like her, i'l be turning all news channels off afterwards, the thought of watching news items of her dancing about like a silly monstrous teletubby fair gives me the pure boak man



p.s. i was reading trump is already possibly suing nevada officials http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-sues-nevada-files-lawsuit-polls-open-extra-long-us-election-2016-a7405346.html

Donald Trump's campaign is suing Nevada officials over how early voting there was carried out (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/election-day-live-results-trump-clinton-polls-vote-latest-news-maps-who-is-winning-a7403041.html).

[Pretty Boy]

Bookies now have Trump an odds on favourite. 5/6 generally whilst Clinton is out to 11/10.

[guthrie01]

Trump currently ahead in Virginia, Florida, and North Carolina.
They're still pretty close to call right now, but if Trump sweeps all three, looking very likely Trump becomes president

[Off the bar]

Trump is going to win this

[Pretty Boy]

Bet365 now have Trump at 1/6 with Clinton at 4/1.

[guthrie01]

New York Times reporting 80% chance for Trump to win, very interesting

[Off the bar]

Bet365 now have Trump at 1/6 with Clinton at 4/1.

Hard to argue with those odds the way it looks now. I'm watching CNN at the moment (I'm flicking between several news sources) and they are as pro Hilary as it gets and they're not looking happy right now.

[Pretty Boy]

Hard to argue with those odds the way it looks now. I'm watching CNN at the moment (I'm flicking between several news sources) and they are as pro Hilary as it gets and they're not looking happy right now.

It's clear as day that the news channels know Clinton is in big trouble but don't want to say it.

Even if she sneaks it it's further proof that politicians can't just pay lip service to 'listening' now. The successes of Farage and Trump are eveidence of that, rhetoric that acknowledges peoples fears and problems is more important than actually having a coherent plan to fix them.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Bet365 now have Trump at 1/6 with Clinton at 4/1.


i've just joined that site to stick £30 on clinton, somehow i've totally mucked up my deposits and it won't change :rolleyes:

[Off the bar]

It's clear as day that the news channels know Clinton is in big trouble but don't want to say it.

Even if she sneaks it it's further proof that politicians can't just pay lip service to 'listening' now. The successes of Farage and Trump are eveidence of that, rhetoric that acknowledges peoples fears and problems is more important than actually having a coherent plan to fix them.


It's a real rejection of the status quo, I'm watching a stream on the Washington post now (CNN cut to commercials) they're backing Clinton as well and are pointing out there is a long way to go.
Clinton has to take the next few swing states or she's done.
I was only intending to stay up till 2 or so see the pattern develop, but I'm hooked to this now.

[cabbageandribs1875]

131 v 183


winner needs 270


trump takes north carolina, south carolina trump projected

[Off the bar]

Trump takes Ohio, needs to win Michigan and Wisconsin to pretty much win it for the real estate mogul and they're red as it stands....

[Off the bar]

New York Times reporting 80% chance for Trump to win, very interesting

94% Trump now

[leither17]

1/8 for Trump now

[leither17]

Florida is being called for Trump now too and it's 1/9

[cabbageandribs1875]

red will win Florida, blues win a huge 55 in california

202-216



comeback well on....watch the odds change hugely

[Off the bar]

red will win Florida, blues win a huge 55 in california

202-216



comeback well on....watch the odds change hugely

NY times has trump <95% to win. Looking pretty grim for Clinton

[cabbageandribs1875]

trump 48 votes away


202-222


utah predicting trump

[Off the bar]

trump 48 votes away


202-222


utah predicting trump

Who's making that call? Washington post CNN and BBC are not calling it that far in trumps favour.

[cabbageandribs1875]

Who's making that call? Washington post CNN and BBC are not calling it that far in trumps favour.


fox news live


still 202-222

[Off the bar]

fox news live

I couldn't get fox live to work, it wanted me to sign up or log in

[cabbageandribs1875]

I couldn't get fox live to work, it wanted me to sign up or log in


i'm watching fox news on sky...

[guthrie01]

I couldn't get fox live to work, it wanted me to sign up or log in

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2016/presidential-election-headquarters

This website should work and it gives a good outlook of the remaining states

[Off the bar]

i'm watching fox news on sky...

I'm on the iPad and too pissed to muck about finding a stream, no commentator I can find fancies Clinton now. I can't believe it. I'm not a Clinton fan but Trump seems like such a radge choice.

[cabbageandribs1875]

209-222

[Off the bar]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2016/presidential-election-headquarters

This website should work and it gives a good outlook of the remaining states

Nice one thanks, I've not had the Trump camp view yet, I'll see how long I can stomach their triumphalism!

[cabbageandribs1875]

209-232 wisconsin goes red, after 2 recounts



reds need 38


iowa goes to trump...6 votes

209-238

[Off the bar]

209-232 wisconsin goes red

Damn that pretty much seals it, can't see Clinton coming back now, this is massive.

[cabbageandribs1875]

209-254

Georgia goes red

[Hibs Class]

Grim, shocking that it is even this close.

[Off the bar]

Grim, shocking that it is even this close.

Close? Trump has got this, no way Clinton wins now. No way.

[Off the bar]

Fox news gone to an add break. Back to BBC just realised its 4:50 and I've drunk the best part of half a bottle of highland park one more large one, get the final result and then bed. This is just like brexit.

[cabbageandribs1875]

trump ahead by 50k votes in michigan, win and that's 16 seats...= 270, 100k ahead in wisconsin=10 seats

[cabbageandribs1875]

wow, trump is now ahead by 8k in pennsylvania =16

[cabbageandribs1875]

wonder if the obamas and the clintons will go back to hating each other, all that acting meaningless

[cabbageandribs1875]

215-254...nevada 6 for clinton

[Off the bar]

I'm stunned. Twatted. Stunned. It's pishing it down here in London and I'm stunned. Back to fox news and they're creaming themselves.

[heretoday]

Fox news gone to an add break. Back to BBC just realised its 4:50 and I've drunk the best part of half a bottle of highland park one more large one, get the final result and then bed. This is just like brexit.

We're all gonna need more than Highland Park when the nuclear missiles start flying over our heads.

[Betty Boop]

Looks like the Yanks don't want the corrupt Clintons in the White House.

[Off the bar]

We're all gonna need more than Highland Park when the nuclear missiles start flying over our heads.

I don't know maybe whoever won this it was a poisoned chalice. There must be tons of dirt on Trump, Clinton would have had years of legal challenges. I'm clutching at straws here but **** what has happened?

[Pretty Boy]

Fat lady is clearing her throat and going through the warm up excercises.

Certainly shows up all the daft conspiracy theories that Clinton wouldn't be allowed to lose for what they are.

An interesting 4 years ahead.

[cabbageandribs1875]

I'm stunned. Twatted. Stunned. It's pishing it down here in London and I'm stunned. Back to fox news and they're creaming themselves.



i honestly think trump was getting it tight from the media(much of it merited no doubt), and rather lenient on clinton, a helluva lot of republicans will have sweaty bums as well...those that refused to back him, apparently he takes things like that personally

[Off the bar]

Fat lady is clearing her throat and going through the warm up excercises.

Certainly shows up all the daft conspiracy theories that Clinton wouldn't be allowed to lose for what they are.

An interesting 4 years ahead.


It's done pb Donald ****ing Trump is the next President of the USA. The only reason to stay up is to get final confirmation and because you've stayed up this far.

[Off the bar]

**** my alarm for work goes off in less than 2 hours! No way I'm driving tomorrow

[cabbageandribs1875]

reds 23k ahead in pennsylvania(20 seats) and 34k ahead in michigan(16 seats) 90k ahead in wisconsin(10 seats)



price of Gold is up 4% :)

[Off the bar]

**** it I'm going to bed, if the world is not a smouldering ruin with no WiFi I'll be back for the match day thread against Falkirk!

[#FromTheCapital]

Wow. Thought Clinton would win this comfortably. Looks like our cup win has triggered the apocalypse.

[cabbageandribs1875]

amazingly close


54,055,434 red

52,791,789 blue


clinton gets Maine- (3) 218-254

[Beefster]

This year's been ****ing nuts.

[High-On-Hibs]

The NO campaign had "Better Together".
The leave campaign had "Taking our country back".
The Trump campaign has "Making America great again".

Is this how far the western world has dropped? The fact that campaigns are generally won on nothing more but empty slogans. Never mind policy, or a vision for the future. Nope, just one slogan is all you need. Keep drumming it into the sheep and they will follow.

[cabbageandribs1875]

obama had left a day free this week to meet the new president....that will be fun if it's trump:greengrin

[(((Fergus)))]

Wow. Thought Clinton would win this comfortably. Looks like our cup win has triggered the apocalypse.

The media has done an appalling job in reporting this campaign. Too many proprietors are Clinton donors and used their channels for propaganda rather than reporting reality. The result is they have badly damaged their businesses and people are looking elsewhere for news. If anything UK media was worse than US. Can't wait to see how BBC explains their BS, Anthony Zurcher in particular.

[Colr]

The media has done an appalling job in reporting this campaign. Too many proprietors are Clinton donors and used their channels for propaganda rather than reporting reality. The result is they have badly damaged their businesses and people are looking elsewhere for news. If anything UK media was worse than US. Can't wait to see how BBC explains their BS, Anthony Zurcher in particular.

Just like reporting of Brexit. Just like thr treatment of Corbyn.

[calumhibee1]

The media has done an appalling job in reporting this campaign. Too many proprietors are Clinton donors and used their channels for propaganda rather than reporting reality. The result is they have badly damaged their businesses and people are looking elsewhere for news. If anything UK media was worse than US. Can't wait to see how BBC explains their BS, Anthony Zurcher in particular.

I'll admit I don't usually agree with anything you say on this topic, I would however agree with the part about the UK media.

[Colr]

The NO campaign had "Better Together".
The leave campaign had "Taking our country back".
The Trump campaign has "Making America great again".

Is this how far the western world has dropped? The fact that campaigns are generally won on nothing more but empty slogans. Never mind policy, or a vision for the future. Nope, just one slogan is all you need. Keep drumming it into the sheep and they will follow.
The SNP wins because they say they stand up for Scotland against the UK system. Trump says he will stand up for the working man/woman against a world they feel is stacked against them. It's a message of hope - we will see whether it is empty or not but the intention is there.

[(((Fergus)))]

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/secallen/Screenshot%202016-11-09%2006.57.04_zpsd6x38x1r.png

[lord bunberry]

I'm just up and at first I couldn't believe what I was watching, but the way things have gone this year I'm not surprised.

[lord bunberry]

The SNP wins because they say they stand up for Scotland against the UK system. Trump says he will stand up for the working man/woman against a world they feel is stacked against them. It's a message of hope - we will see whether it is empty or not but the intention is there.
:agree: People feel things can't get any worse and will vote for change, even if the change is brexit/Trump.

[(((Fergus)))]

Pollsters are another group who damaged their industry

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwyrJUcWgAAMEuE.jpg

[cabbageandribs1875]

looking like it might be later today when final results come through :I'm waiti

[High-On-Hibs]

The SNP wins because they say they stand up for Scotland against the UK system. Trump says he will stand up for the working man/woman against a world they feel is stacked against them. It's a message of hope - we will see whether it is empty or not but the intention is there.

The intention was to get into power for his own selfish political ends. Everything he has "promised" will be completely erased tomorrow. But you know what.... Americans won't even notice.

[#FromTheCapital]

The media has done an appalling job in reporting this campaign. Too many proprietors are Clinton donors and used their channels for propaganda rather than reporting reality. The result is they have badly damaged their businesses and people are looking elsewhere for news. If anything UK media was worse than US. Can't wait to see how BBC explains their BS, Anthony Zurcher in particular.

My prediction wasn't based on the medias reporting of the campaign. I just thought common sense would prevail, how naive. I was in Chicago just a few weeks ago and most Americans I spoke with were embarrassed that Trump was even a candidate.

[(((Fergus)))]

Cue exodus of celebrities now. Most to Canada, very few to Mexico. Amy Schumer said she will be learning Spanish - but going to Spain.

[(((Fergus)))]

My prediction wasn't based on the medias reporting of the campaign. I just thought common sense would prevail, how naive. I was in Chicago just a few weeks ago and most Americans I spoke with were embarrassed that Trump was even a candidate.

Chicago must be one of the most anti-Trump places in America. On paper, though, it should be one of the biggest beneficiaries of his presidency. We shall see.

[Scouse Hibee]

America officially becomes Trumpton.

[Nameless]

Apparently Clinton has conceded - it's almost official.

[TheReg!]

😂😂 Love the butt hurt 😂😂 MAGA🇬🇧

[The_Exile]

Does anybody know how to build a nuclear fallout shelter?......................asking for a friend.

[Betty Boop]

😂😂 Love the butt hurt 😂😂 MAGA🇬🇧

Well I never President Trump !

[PeeJay]

Disgraceful decision on part of Clinton not to face the music and give a speech to her supporters and the American people this evening/morning -

[snooky]

Well I never President Trump !

You have to feel heart sorry for Hillary. Imagine finding out that most of the USA likes Donald Trump more than they like you.
Must be like discovering that your girlfriend's run off with Davie Dodds.

[calumhibee1]

Disgraceful decision on part of Clinton not to face the music and give a speech to her supporters and the American people this evening/morning -

As much as she was 'more fit' to be president she was also a ridiculous candidate aswell. Experienced in making an arse of everything.

[PeeJay]

As much as she was 'more fit' to be president she was also a ridiculous candidate aswell. Experienced in making an arse of everything.


... didn't "ridiculous" win? :greengrin

[stoneyburn hibs]

2016 what a mad year.

[calumhibee1]

... didn't "ridiculous" win? :greengrin

That's why I said also!

[Mon Dieu4]

Always knew Hibs winning the cup would break the world, ah well

[Pretty Boy]

If you continually tell people you are listening whilst obviously not listening then you end up with Brexit and Trump. It's as good a way as any to try and get the self serving politicians to listen. I'm not holding my breath though.

[snooky]

Phone lines to Canadian Immigration are jammed I hear.
Population of Canada is 35m. Expected to rise to 135m in the next 12 months. :wink:

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Does anybody know how to build a nuclear fallout shelter?......................asking for a friend.

Del Boy and Rodney!

[TheReg!]

😂😂 Love the butt hurt 😂😂 MAGA🇬🇧

[johnbc70]

If you continually tell people you are listening whilst obviously not listening then you end up with Brexit and Trump. It's as good a way as any to try and get the self serving politicians to listen. I'm not holding my breath though.

Absolutely, what this year had shown us is that unless politicians listen to the people and what their hopes and fears are, rightly or wrongly, then they will get voted out.

[Pete]

On one hand you had a bold, brash, decisive leader who left nobody in any doubt about his plans.

On the other you had a wishy-washy, weak person who's only real message was that she wasn't Donald Trump.

Looks like people chose to listen to a message of hope from a more charismatic source than think about the consequences.

[Hibrandenburg]

On one hand you had a bold, brash, decisive leader who left nobody in any doubt about his plans.

On the other you had a wishy-washy, weak person who's only real message was that she wasn't Donald Trump.

Looks like people chose to listen to a message of hope from a more charismatic source than think about the consequences.

I must have missed the show where he laid down his plans.

[Pete]

I must have missed the show where he laid down his plans.

Every time I heard him speak that's pretty much all he did.

He wasn't big on the detail side of things though.

[PeeJay]

I must have missed the show where he laid down his plans.


Think the "Trump plans" are in the same drawer as the tax returns ...

[Hibernia&Alba]

Oh f***. America votes in its Putin. Right wing populists are having their say across the world post the 2008 economic meltdown. Whilst I share their anger, I think they're going in the wrong direction and blaming the wrong people.

Really shocked and appalled at this. I'm no fan of the modern Democrats and their neo-liberalism, but would take them over Trump every time. This is disastrous.

[lord bunberry]

I must have missed the show where he laid down his plans.

He's going to build a wall.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

If you continually tell people you are listening whilst obviously not listening then you end up with Brexit and Trump. It's as good a way as any to try and get the self serving politicians to listen. I'm not holding my breath though.

Agree with this.

Wont step hysterical reactions though.

[snooky]

He's going to build a wall.

If I was a Mexican, I'd be digging the foundations already.

[easty]

He's going to build a wall.

Paddy Power will give you 4/1 that there's a wall along the entire US - Mexico border by the end of 2020.

[Hibernia&Alba]

If I was a Mexican, I'd be digging the foundations already.

The Canadian immigration website crashed, due to quantity of traffic. :greengrin

[Jay]

At least we are not seen to be the biggest eejits in the world anymore

[Hibrandenburg]

At least we are not seen to be the biggest eejits in the world anymore

They only won on penalties though.

[Pretty Boy]

They only won on penalties though.

Played their trump card surely?

[Hibbyradge]

The intention was to get into power for his own selfish political ends.

I think the inention was ego driven, rather than political.



Everything he has "promised" will be completely erased tomorrow.

That's got to be a good thing.

I can't see how he'll get out of building the wall, though.

[Jay]

They only won on penalties though.

Ha ha aye i suppose...but they still won :)

[Jim44]

The whole pantomime stinks. The chief villain takes off his make-up and glowingly praises his opponent for her magnificent services to the country, when only weeks and days ago he was calling her a criminal and demanding she be indicted.

[Hibernia&Alba]

The Republican loonies also control both houses on congress. Trump will be able to appoint extremely conservative supreme court judges. Bye bye any chance of climate change control, a woman's right to an abortion, gay marriage laws etc. Trump's win rejuvenates the old anti-civil rights reactionaries.

[Hibrandenburg]

The whole pantomime stinks. The chief villain takes off his make-up and glowingly praises his opponent for her magnificent services to the country, when only weeks and days ago he was calling her a criminal and demanding she be indicted.

You could feel the disbelief from his audience as he already started back tracking.

[calumhibee1]

When it's all said and done this will have very little effect on the average americans day to day life and even less on ours.

[Hibernia&Alba]

When it's all said and done this will have very little effect on the average americans day to day life and even less on ours.

That's best case scenario, but I fear it will have enormous consequences for millions, not least the twenty million people who are about to lose their health care coverage.

[Geo_1875]

Oh f***. America votes in its Putin. Right wing populists are having their say across the world post the 2008 economic meltdown. Whilst I share their anger, I think they're going in the wrong direction and blaming the wrong people.

Really shocked and appalled at this. I'm no fan of the modern Democrats and their neo-liberalism, but would take them over Trump every time. This is disastrous.

Hopefully this will see the end of self-serving, centrist politics (here and in the USA) and the return of real Socialist parties. People are sick and tired of being told by millionaires that they understand their feelings and they care about the underprivileged and we can't afford to do anything about it.

[Hibernia&Alba]

Hopefully this will see the end of self-serving, centrist politics (here and in the USA) and the return of real Socialist parties. People are sick and tired of being told by millionaires that they understand their feelings and they care about the underprivileged and we can't afford to do anything about it.

I hope you're right, but the anti-establishment elections are mainly being won by the populist Right, who are blaming the immigrants etc. It's very worrying times. The Democratic Party needs to re-discover its progressive radicalism and take heed of the impact of Bernie Sanders.

[snooky]

Hopefully this will see the end of self-serving, centrist politics (here and in the USA) and the return of real Socialist parties. People are sick and tired of being told by millionaires that they understand their feelings and they care about the underprivileged and we can't afford to do anything about it.

You could be right. I think folk in the US & UK are fed up of politics being a game played by the chosen few while the rest of the populus is being used as a pile of free chips.
That old mould was broken today for sure.

Let's sit back and enjoy (or maybe not) the ride.
"To infinity and beyoooooond........"

[(((Fergus)))]

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q191/secallen/Screenshot%202016-11-09%2010.29.03_zpszsgomdgs.png

[PeeJay]

Hopefully this will see the end of self-serving, centrist politics (here and in the USA) and the return of real Socialist parties. People are sick and tired of being told by millionaires that they understand their feelings and they care about the underprivileged and we can't afford to do anything about it.

Well not in the USA - they just elected a billionaire who understands the feelings of the blue collar worker apparently ... as to the return of the real socialist parties, that made me laugh out loud on this sad day ... nice one!:greengrin

[Hibernia&Alba]

Well not in the USA - they just elected a billionaire who understands the feelings of the blue collar worker apparently ... as to the return of the real socialist parties, that made me laugh out loud on this sad day ... nice one!:greengrin

Let's wait and see. Jeremy Corbyn has proved it can be done, and, hopefully, the Democrats will learn the same lesson and re-discover its radical tradition of the FDR, RFK, George McGovern type.

I forgot to add that Bernie Sanders calls himself a socialist, and he was denied the nomination by the Democratic Party machine. There is traction for a populist left as well as the populist right.

[Bristolhibby]

Let's wait and see. Jeremy Corbyn has proved it can be done, and, hopefully, the Democrats will learn the same lesson and re-discover its radical tradition of the FDR, RFK, George McGovern type.

But if you listened to Trumps acceptance speech he talked about a mass capital works project (New Deal anyone), that's as about left wing as you can get. New roads, schools, hospitals, bridges (no laughing), etc.

That's pure FDR Keynesian economics.

What has my head scratching is how is he going to pay for it? Republicans are low taxation, low regulation. Trump is basing this on doubling growth? Hasn't the whole world been trying to stimulate growth for the past 8 years?

J

[Hibernia&Alba]

But if you listened to Trumps acceptance speech he talked about a mass capital works project (New Deal anyone), that's as about left wing as you can get. New roads, schools, hospitals, bridges (no laughing), etc.

That's pure FDR Keynesian economics.

What has my head scratching is how is he going to pay for it? Republicans are low taxation, low regulation. Trump is basing this on doubling growth? Hasn't the whole world been trying to stimulate growth for the past 8 years?

J

Great point, BH, I heard him say he'll put millions to work on re-building infrastructure, which is TOTALLY against Republican principles. As you say, that's New Deal stuff. That's the type of policy the Democrats should be proposing, and the millions of white working and middle class voters who have been screwed by Reagonomics and NAFTA and who have voted for Trump should be a key demographic for them, too. The Democrats should finally realise that their obsession with Wall Street has caused millions of poorer Americans to abandon them. Their lives are getting harder all the time, but both parties have been in the pockets of big business.

[PeeJay]

But if you listened to Trumps acceptance speech he talked about a mass capital works project (New Deal anyone), that's as about left wing as you can get. New roads, schools, hospitals, bridges (no laughing), etc.

That's pure FDR Keynesian economics.

What has my head scratching is how is he going to pay for it? Republicans are low taxation, low regulation. Trump is basing this on doubling growth? Hasn't the whole world been trying to stimulate growth for the past 8 years?

J

Well yeah, I was laughing at the wish for a "return of a real socialist party" on a thread about Trump - I fail to see how you can place DT in the left-wing socialist camp ... and do so in the USA, without it being some sort of joke?

As to FDR - now there was a real socialist (sic) ...

[ekhibee]

But if you listened to Trumps acceptance speech he talked about a mass capital works project (New Deal anyone), that's as about left wing as you can get. New roads, schools, hospitals, bridges (no laughing), etc.

That's pure FDR Keynesian economics.

What has my head scratching is how is he going to pay for it? Republicans are low taxation, low regulation. Trump is basing this on doubling growth? Hasn't the whole world been trying to stimulate growth for the past 8 years?

J
Political commentators often tend to make sweeping generalizations when it comes to economics. For many many years the US has had strict import controls, very much a left wing policy. I agree with you, how indeed is he going to pay for it? More than likely he will not be able to implement at least half of the policies he's suggesting, because most of the Republican Party regard him as a loose cannon. But the result of the US election, IMO is more an enditement of the complacency shown by Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party. She was disliked and distrusted, and she was the wrong choice for nomination. Another thing people should be questioning is all the political programmes and political commentators, virtually every one of them got it wrong. In the debates between Trump and Clinton, she clearly won all of them, hands down. But the majority of the american public seem to have regarded basically all of that as irrelevant. They've made it clear that despite his mysogenistic, racist comments, he's still the better option. What's also scary is that when you consider how hard people fought over the centuries to get the vote, in this election the best policy would probably have been not to vote at all. Just my opinion though.

[cabbageandribs1875]

interestingly, exit polls for the white woman vote was...43% for clinton and 53% for trump, clinton got 65% of the hispanic/latino vote and trump 29%, more hispanic/latinos voted for trump than they did for matt romney 4 years ago

[Hibernia&Alba]

interestingly, exit polls for the white woman vote was...43% for clinton and 57% for trump, clinton got 65% of the hispanic/latino vote and trump 29%, more hispanic/latinos voted for trump than they did for matt romney 4 years ago

Yes. How could a majority of white women for that man? He's a misogynistic pervert. Shame on them.

[Geo_1875]

Well yeah, I was laughing at the wish for a "return of a real socialist party" on a thread about Trump - I fail to see how you can place DT in the left-wing socialist camp ... and do so in the USA, without it being some sort of joke?

As to FDR - now there was a real socialist (sic) ...

You'd have to be able to lick your own back to see Trump as anything but a right-wing rabble rouser.

[Hibernia&Alba]

You'd have to be able to lick your own back to see Trump as anything but a right-wing rabble rouser.

:agree:

But he combined an appeal to redneck racists with the economic populism that appealed to the rust belt in the mid west; certainly not the traditional economics of the Republicans in that sense. However, he's also promised a massive cut in business tax. The economic forecast is he will increase the US deficit by $5 trillion, ​which again is contrary to the fiscal conservatism espoused by his party.

[(((Fergus)))]

:greengrin

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw0ejKmXUAEmQoe.jpg

http://www.buchanobserver.co.uk/news/aberdeenshire-business-owner-wins-presidential-election-1-4282745

[Peevemor]

:greengrin

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw0ejKmXUAEmQoe.jpg

http://www.buchanobserver.co.uk/news/aberdeenshire-business-owner-wins-presidential-election-1-4282745

Brilliant!

[(((Fergus)))]

Yes. How could a majority of white women for that man? He's a misogynistic pervert. Shame on them.

They were voting for Commander-in-Chief, not chaplain.

Plus the other side is worse. What kind of "woman's advocate" stays with her serially adulterous husband - who is still "ducking bimbos" - unless there is some attraction other than marital love. Wonder if that mysterious glue will continue to hold now.

[Hibernia&Alba]

They were voting for Commander-in-Chief, not chaplain.

Plus the other side is worse. What kind of "woman's advocate" stays with her serially adulterous husband - who is still "ducking bimbos" - unless there is some attraction other than marital love. Wonder if that mysterious glue will continue to hold now.

And he is totally unqualified. Not just a tad inexperienced, but totally unqualified and unfit. A crypto-fascist serial business failure and conman.

[matty_f]

It's hard to think of worse accusations that could have been thrown at Trump than the ones he's survived in this campaign. You almost wonder if there was anything that would have come out about him that would have de-railed him. He ran the campaign like a reality tv show, IMHO, and that's a format that he's very familiar with. He lapped up the bad-guy label knowing folk would hear about it, and it's testimony to the saying that there's no such thing as bad publicity that he's triumphed.

I only wish he was up against a more able opponent than Clinton. Her campaign was a disaster as well - anyone half decent would have wiped the floor with Trump.

[Gatecrasher]

It's hard to think of worse accusations that could have been thrown at Trump than the ones he's survived in this campaign. You almost wonder if there was anything that would have come out about him that would have de-railed him. He ran the campaign like a reality tv show, IMHO, and that's a format that he's very familiar with. He lapped up the bad-guy label knowing folk would hear about it, and it's testimony to the saying that there's no such thing as bad publicity that he's triumphed.

I only wish he was up against a more able opponent than Clinton. Her campaign was a disaster as well - anyone half decent would have wiped the floor with Trump.

Bernie Sanders would have won it IMO, anyone with a bit of credibility who would run a stable campaign. Hillary basically just lost the easiest election a potential president will have gone through.

I do get the whole trump thing though, much like Brexit, people are annoyed and want change so lets give the Establishment a black eye.

[cabbageandribs1875]

They were voting for Commander-in-Chief, not chaplain.

Plus the other side is worse. What kind of "woman's advocate" stays with her serially adulterous husband - who is still "ducking bimbos" - unless there is some attraction other than marital love. Wonder if that mysterious glue will continue to hold now.


indeed, i wonder how much all the digging by the clinton camp to find videos, bringing in witnesses etc to gain points over pervert trump, imo her using that as a weapon possibly irked a lot of voters, all she was doing was portraying her sleazebag husband, at least trump is a faithful pervert, and if he's not been faithful the man must be mad :greengrin

[Pretty Boy]

It's interesting to note that the young and those with the lowest incomes both backed Clinton, according to exit polls anyway.

I initially wrote this off as a protest vote or a rising up but that suggests it's to a large degree ideologically motivated.

[SouthsideHarp_Bhoy]

:greengrin

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw0ejKmXUAEmQoe.jpg

http://www.buchanobserver.co.uk/news/aberdeenshire-business-owner-wins-presidential-election-1-4282745


Taking a 'local slant' to brilliant new levels!!

[Hibrandenburg]

Bernie Sanders would have won it IMO, anyone with a bit of credibility who would run a stable campaign. Hillary basically just lost the easiest election a potential president will have gone through.

I do get the whole trump thing though, much like Brexit, people are annoyed and want change so lets give the Establishment a black eye.

Think Trump would have wiped the floor with Bernie, he would have played the "Communist" card and Bernie would have been toast.

[Geo_1875]

Think Trump would have wiped the floor with Bernie, he would have played the "Communist" card and Bernie would have been toast.

I think Sanders had built up quite a following before the Democrat big guns decided Hilary was their man. Given time I think he would have put up a good performance in the debates. Who knows what might have been after that.

[lucky]

Think Trump would have wiped the floor with Bernie, he would have played the "Communist" card and Bernie would have been toast.

As much as I wanted him to get the nomination I suspect your spot on. Like the leave campaign Trump promised jobs and to ensure that America was for Americans. But like Britex his false promises will unravel.

[Hibrandenburg]

I think Sanders had built up quite a following before the Democrat big guns decided Hilary was their man. Given time I think he would have put up a good performance in the debates. Who knows what might have been after that.

Don't get me wrong, I love Bernie, I just don't think America is ready for progressive social democracy.

[Hibrandenburg]

As much as I wanted him to get the nomination I suspect your spot on. Like the leave campaign Trump promised jobs and to ensure that America was for Americans. But like Britex his false promises will unravel.

This is the big question, will he listen to advice or will his narcissism make him go full on numpty?

[JeMeSouviens]

I think practically any republican would've beaten Hillary and practically any other democrat would've beaten Trump.

[ekhibee]

To be honest, when I first heard he was standing I thought it was just the ultimate piss take. He was a democrat for many years and publicly endorsed Clinton and her husband many times. He attended quite a few Democratic presidential rallys in those days too. The american blue collar workers and people in more rural areas have backed him probably not so much because of who he is, but because he said the right things when addressing their part of society, a part of society they feel has been overlooked, and to a certain extent ignored. Clinton spent too much time generalizing, not addressing specific issues that effected that part of US society, and tbh Obama, when he was publicly supporting her, was the same. All these A list celebrities at the democratic rallies just reminded these people even more of the huge gaps in society. Trump preyed on this, on their feelings of insecurity, no light on the horizon, foreign workers taking what they saw as purely american jobs. and so on. So racist, mysogenistic, whatever we think of him, they didn't, and they are the ones that got him elected.

[PeeJay]

I think practically any republican would've beaten Hillary and practically any other democrat would've beaten Trump.

Think you make a decent point - yet it is interesting to hear that the "popular vote" is probably going to go HC's way ...

[AndyM_1875]

I think practically any republican would've beaten Hillary and practically any other democrat would've beaten Trump.

I think you're right. Many who voted for Trump were against Hillary rather than pro-Trump. To them that woman was the anti-Christ. Yes she's qualified but she's also loathed and was seen as the Establishment/Wall St candidate.

For the Democrats a better choice would have been Joe Biden but he didn't run after the death of his son in 2015. Biden carries he gravitas and experience that would have destroyed Trump, plus he is popular in blue collar America and he's white (sad to have to say that). Whether Biden can be persuaded to run in 2020 who knows but this will all pick up again in 2 years when by then it should have become apparent what an absolute con man and utter fraud Trump actually is.

[GreenLake]

I think you're right. Many who voted for Trump were against Hillary rather than pro-Trump. To them that woman was the anti-Christ. Yes she's qualified but she's also loathed and was seen as the Establishment/Wall St candidate.

For the Democrats a better choice would have been Joe Biden but he didn't run after the death of his son in 2015. Biden carries he gravitas and experience that would have destroyed Trump, plus he is popular in blue collar America and he's white (sad to have to say that). Whether Biden can be persuaded to run in 2020 who knows but this will all pick up again in 2 years when by then it should have become apparent what an absolute con man and utter fraud Trump actually is.

This about sums it up for me.

[Mon Dieu4]

I want Vince McMahon to run against him in 2020

[Haymaker]

I doubt trump will last a full term as president.

[Sir David Gray]

Nicola Sturgeon - "While this is not the outcome I hoped for, it is the verdict of the American people and we must respect it."

Oh the irony.

[Hibernian Verse]

Nicola Sturgeon - "While this is not the outcome I hoped for, it is the verdict of the American people and we must respect it."

Oh the irony.
We've heard a similar statement from her three times now. Sturgeon out.

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[danhibees1875]

Nicola Sturgeon - "While this is not the outcome I hoped for, it is the verdict of the American people and we must respect it."

Oh the irony.

They get to vote again in 4 years :wink:

[#FromTheCapital]

Nicola Sturgeon - "While this is not the outcome I hoped for, it is the verdict of the American people and we must respect it."

Oh the irony.

😂😂😂

[#FromTheCapital]

I doubt trump will last a full term as president.

Will he even make it to the 20th of January when his term is supposed to start?

[Haymaker]

Will he even make it to the 20th of January when his term is supposed to start?

I doubt that as well.

[JeMeSouviens]

Nicola Sturgeon - "While this is not the outcome I hoped for, it is the verdict of the American people and we must respect it."

Oh the irony.

Respecting the result of the indyref does not mean packing up and disbanding the SNP or changing its raison d'etre. It means carrying on within the existing devolved framework, carrying on sending SNP MPs to Westminster, participating in the Smith commission etc. She and the rest of the SNP are perfectly within their rights to continue to pursue independence through democratic, constiutional means. So suck it up.

[JeMeSouviens]

I think you're right. Many who voted for Trump were against Hillary rather than pro-Trump. To them that woman was the anti-Christ. Yes she's qualified but she's also loathed and was seen as the Establishment/Wall St candidate.

For the Democrats a better choice would have been Joe Biden but he didn't run after the death of his son in 2015. Biden carries he gravitas and experience that would have destroyed Trump, plus he is popular in blue collar America and he's white (sad to have to say that). Whether Biden can be persuaded to run in 2020 who knows but this will all pick up again in 2 years when by then it should have become apparent what an absolute con man and utter fraud Trump actually is.

:agree: and he's a man (sad to say that also).

[cabbageandribs1875]

i notice hilary didn't even thank kezia dugdale in her speech for her help :( maybe trump will thank her in his next speech :greengrin

[#FromTheCapital]

Respecting the result of the indyref does not mean packing up and disbanding the SNP or changing its raison d'etre. It means carrying on within the existing devolved framework, carrying on sending SNP MPs to Westminster, participating in the Smith commission etc. She and the rest of the SNP are perfectly within their rights to continue to pursue independence through democratic, constiutional means. So suck it up.

I was waiting for a comment like that.

[cabbageandribs1875]

clinton fans burning an effigy of trump, others burning the stars and stripes flag, deary me, are they only patriotic when a vote goes their way....baffling

[#FromTheCapital]

clinton fans burning an effigy of trump, others burning the star and stripes flag, deary me, are they only patriotic when a vote goes their way....baffling

People are going over the top with their reaction. Especially over here where it's extremely unlikely to affect our day to day lives. I was listening to the radio today and people were calling in and saying they felt sick, were disgusted etc. Bunch of drama queens. I was against Trump being president but I'm not going to let it get me down now that he is.

[Hibernia&Alba]

The electoral college surely needs some reform too. It's odd that, in a head to head election, the person with most votes doesn't win.

[pontius pilate]

I want Vince McMahon to run against him in 2020




Or have lashley v Umaga ( Which would be hard seeing as umaga has passed away) whoever wins becomes the next potus

[Betty Boop]

Look how much Obama has aged in eight years.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/obama-1.JPG

[snooky]

Look how much Obama has aged in eight years.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/obama-1.JPG

He's done a Michael Jackson by the looks of it.

[SuperAllyMcleod]

:greengrin

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw0ejKmXUAEmQoe.jpg

http://www.buchanobserver.co.uk/news/aberdeenshire-business-owner-wins-presidential-election-1-4282745

Harks back to the Aberdeen newspaper headline when the Titanic went down - something along the lines of "North East man missing at sea".

[Hibernia&Alba]

Look how much Obama has aged in eight years.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/obama-1.JPG

Yes, he isn't the first to suffer that fate. It's a hell of a hard job to do every day for eight years. Trump is seventy already!

[Hibernia&Alba]

American progressives The Young Turks are not at all amused. I share their disgust.


https://youtu.be/1XKitm8RNjM

[calumhibee1]

People are going over the top with their reaction. Especially over here where it's extremely unlikely to affect our day to day lives. I was listening to the radio today and people were calling in and saying they felt sick, were disgusted etc. Bunch of drama queens. I was against Trump being president but I'm not going to let it get me down now that he is.

This 100%. Woman in my work was crying and saying she was worried for mankinds existance. Ridiculous. She was prob just wanting sent home.

[JeMeSouviens]

I was waiting for a comment like that.

I'd hate for you to be disappointed. :wink:

[JeMeSouviens]

People are going over the top with their reaction. Especially over here where it's extremely unlikely to affect our day to day lives. I was listening to the radio today and people were calling in and saying they felt sick, were disgusted etc. Bunch of drama queens. I was against Trump being president but I'm not going to let it get me down now that he is.

I mostly agree but if he really does go down the route of protectionism then the US could tip towards another recession and the knock on of that will be felt in jobs and living standards here.

[Colr]

I mostly agree but if he really does go down the route of protectionism then the US could tip towards another recession and the knock on of that will be felt in jobs and living standards here.

No US market, no EU market.

[#FromTheCapital]

I'd hate for you to be disappointed. :wink:

Cheers 😂👍🏼

[#FromTheCapital]

I mostly agree but if he really does go down the route of protectionism then the US could tip towards another recession and the knock on of that will be felt in jobs and living standards here.

Fair enough, but I doubt Trump will do many of the things he said he was going to do during the campaign. The guy is an opportunist egomaniac and he just took advantage of the current state of world politics. Not saying he's going to make a good president, but I'll be surprised if he gets a second term or even makes it to the end of this term.

[JeMeSouviens]

Fair enough, but I doubt Trump will do many of the things he said he was going to do during the campaign. The guy is an opportunist egomaniac and he just took advantage of the current state of world politics. Not saying he's going to make a good president, but I'll be surprised if he gets a second term or even makes it to the end of this term.

Can't argue with that. Just have to hope he has some good people around him that can keep him in line.