Letter to those on the pitch

[MB62]

So Sevco have finally contacted their own supporters also I have heard.


I'd be curious to see how their letter is worded...

SEVCO: We hear you were on the pitch after the game in the Scottish cup final, could you confirm this?

Nuckledragger: Yes I can confirm that is correct

SEVCO: Thank you very much for defending all our players. There will be a 20% discount on your season ticket and a free round of drinks at the bar the next time you are in the lodge.

[The Green Goblin]

I've no idea as I have not received a letter:greengrin


That's kinda why I asked if anyone that has one could/would post a copy of the letter sent from Hibs.

I doubt they are the same as the one from Sevco is a letter telling the orc that he is banned from Castle Greyskull (and away games, and that his season ticket has been cancelled!).

Wow! Are you sure?! This report in a couple of days is going to be very interesting.....

[plhibs]

As long as I got an ice-cold, rock-hard pie for my trouble while I waited.... :greengrin

I can only speak for myself, but I stayed in the stand. I recall that to get your cup final tickets posted out before the game, you could only get them sent to UK addresses, so I don't think the club either store or use overseas addresses on the database.

When I went to the ticket office to book my slot for the S.C. photo it surprised me that they had my details in the computer, didn't bother me just surprised.

[The Green Goblin]

SEVCO: We hear you were on the pitch after the game in the Scottish cup final, could you confirm this?

Nuckledragger: Yes I can confirm that is correct

SEVCO: Thank you very much for defending all our players. There will be a 20% discount on your season ticket and a free round of drinks at the bar the next time you are in the lodge.

:tee hee:

[cmcd]

Been my view all along. The media have tried to play us against each other whilst we both casually ignore the fact the police and the SFA were at fault.

Neither the police or the sfa went on to the pitch

[Kojock]

Neither the police or the sfa went on to the pitch

Police were all over the pitch infact they were having so much fun they brought their pet horses on as well.

[cmcd]

Police were all over the pitch infact they were having so much fun they brought their pet horses on as well.

I assume you know what I am saying

[HibbyDave]

Wow! Are you sure?! This report in a couple of days is going to be very interesting.....

See post one on thread titled Sevco fans are not happy! You need to open the link to follow follow...,,

[Forza Fred]

I just hope Hibs are fully armed to hammer these Hun-**** (and their sycophant media !) when the day arrives that the SFA announces the verdict that we''re NOT being - banned from defending our cup this season/fined millions of pounds/suspended from the league/put up against a wall and shot/disbanded etc as these letters are leaving a bad-taste in the mouth !

Putting to one side the subject of the letters, I think you have lofty expectations if you think there will be only minor punishment handed down to the club.

The SFA and police will no doubt want to ensure that fans attending any future cup finals attend with absolutely no doubt that if they attempt to go on to the pitch that severe action will be taken.

That doesn't happen with a 'don\t do it again you naughty boys', approach.

And before anybody jumps in to say ..the polis/stewards/SFA contributed..yes they may have..but the root cause was our fans entering the pitch in large numbers.

I think the penalty handed down is going to result in a thread even bigger than this one:wink:

[greenlex]

Putting to one side the subject of the letters, I think you have lofty expectations if you think there will be only minor punishment handed down to the club.

The SFA and police will no doubt want to ensure that fans attending any future cup finals attend with absolutely no doubt that if they attempt to go on to the pitch that severe action will be taken.

That doesn't happen with a 'don\t do it again you naughty boys', approach.

And before anybody jumps in to say ..the polis/stewards/SFA contributed..yes they may have..but the root cause was our fans entering the pitch in large numbers.

I think the penalty handed down is going to result in a thread even bigger than this one:wink:
The penalty will be the same for both club and thls including banning them from this seasons competition and If it's not then there will be the mother of all threads on here. For that reason alone I would be surprised if the punishment is drastic IMO. I actually think the Driver if the letters is the SFA. That way the clubs are seen to e actually doing something rather than lip service. It gives the SFA the opportunity to be lenient without rocking the old firm cruiser whilst at the same time conveniently getting themselves of the hook for their part. Remember the SFA police and both clubs are working closely on this.

[WhileTheChief..]

I don't think Hibs will receive any penalty whatsoever.

When the results of the investigation are known next week a statement will come out from the SFA saying that things have been reviewed and that lessons have been learnt.

It was their responsibility to ensure that everything went smoothly on the day. They failed.

As did Rangers ;)

[MB62]

I don't think Hibs will receive any penalty whatsoever.

When the results of the investigation are known next week a statement will come out from the SFA saying that things have been reviewed and that lessons have been learnt.

It was their responsibility to ensure that everything went smoothly on the day. They failed.

As did Rangers ;)

Exactly.
Did the SFA and/or Police Glasgow not anticipate that IF Hibs actually did manage to win the cup this year or for the first time in many years, at a future point, that there was going to be NO REACTION from the Hibs support? Are their heads really so far up their own backsides that a pitch celebration was a shock to them?
They had 114 years to prepare for this and they FAILED MISERABLY

[Kato]

Are their heads really so far up their own backsides that a pitch celebration was a shock to them?

Yes, further in fact. Regan et al were shell-shocked at the end. Nothing to do with the pitchy and all to do with the establishment team being made to look donkeys.

[Cabbage East]

Yes, further in fact. Regan et al were shell-shocked at the end. Nothing to do with the pitchy and all to do with the establishment team being made to look donkeys.

Yep. Regan was absolutely furious we won. Just look at his knee-jerk statement after the match. Only in Scotland would that happen. Look at the boy standing next to the smiling guy who hands us the trophy. He couldn't even fake a smile, he was seething.

[Forza Fred]

I don't think Hibs will receive any penalty whatsoever.

When the results of the investigation are known next week a statement will come out from the SFA saying that things have been reviewed and that lessons have been learnt.

It was their responsibility to ensure that everything went smoothly on the day. They failed.

As did Rangers ;)

Viewing from afar I just can't believe that some still think the club will receive no penalty for the pitch invasion!

Watching the invasion from a Sydney hotel in the early morning I said to my missus at the time that we would be in serious trouble for it......and we will!

If they do nothing then there is a hardly a deterrent being implemented....

The SFA and the police will be keen to send the message that they don't want any fans invading the park at future cup finals..and we will suffer from being the example that Is set.

[Golden Bear]

Viewing from afar I just can't believe that some still think the club will receive no penalty for the pitch invasion!

Watching the invasion from a Sydney hotel in the early morning I said to my missus at the time that we would be in serious trouble for it......and we will!

If they do nothing then there is a hardly a deterrent being implemented....

The SFA and the police will be keen to send the message that they don't want any fans invading the park at future cup finals..and we will suffer from being the example that Is set.

I'm viewing from not so far and I entirely agree with your thoughts. I think we'll be hit with a hefty fine plus a suspended sentence in the form of a possible ban from the Scottish Cup should a similar incident happen in the future.

[snooky]

A message for the SFA.

Any punishment handed out to Hibernian Football Club will be used as a template for future pitch invasions. Beware, this will include the two teams you support on a regular basis.

.......and the band played "Believe It If You Like"

[GreenCastle]

Viewing from afar I just can't believe that some still think the club will receive no penalty for the pitch invasion!

Watching the invasion from a Sydney hotel in the early morning I said to my missus at the time that we would be in serious trouble for it......and we will!

If they do nothing then there is a hardly a deterrent being implemented....

The SFA and the police will be keen to send the message that they don't want any fans invading the park at future cup finals..and we will suffer from being the example that Is set.

If the club get a fine - I would imagine Sevco get exactly the same fine.

Will they want to fine an already skint Sevco probably not.

I don't think we will get fined - just a warning of future behaviour due to the fact it was a Scottish FA event - held at thier national stadium and they have a responsibility to handle the security and police - which failed on the day - venue not fit for purpose and policing not fit for the scale of fans present.

[Since90+2]

We will get a smallish fine (£50k or so) plus a suspended ban from the competition.

[GreenLake]

I hope...letter from Hibernian FC means a wee chat about 'not doing it again...wnk,wink'. Anything less is shocking. Any Hibs/Rangers muppets should be dealt with by Police.

While they are in the safety officer's room, a few players from the Hibs team will raid the pitch invader's garden, break the fence, rip the gate off it's hinges and dig up large slabs of turf from the lawn. A few smiling selfies holding the Scottish Cup replica in front of the damage will be sent to their membership email.

[WhileTheChief..]

Try watching the pitch invasion with the sound turned off.

There is barely a hint of trouble on view until some Rangers fans come on the pitch then it's just celebrating fans on show and a line of police horses slowly marshalling the Hibs fans back into the stands.

The commentators take on things was appalling and helped exacerbate the situation. Follow that up with Regan's rant and the Rangers statement and that's the reason we're still talking about it.

Its really not that big a deal and the investigation will show that no players were assaulted, it was mostly over exuberance and inadequate police and stewarding was the main failure on the day.

The few bams who caused trouble are being dealt with and the rest of Scottish football has moved on.

[Forza Fred]

Try watching the pitch invasion with the sound turned off.

There is barely a hint of trouble on view until some Rangers fans come on the pitch then it's just celebrating fans on show and a line of police horses slowly marshalling the Hibs fans back into the stands.

The commentators take on things was appalling and helped exacerbate the situation. Follow that up with Regan's rant and the Rangers statement and that's the reason we're still talking about it.

Its really not that big a deal and the investigation will show that no players were assaulted, it was mostly over exuberance and inadequate police and stewarding was the main failure on the day.

The few bams who caused trouble are being dealt with and the rest of Scottish football has moved on.1


Actions have consequences....just because there are not enough polis or stewards about to stop an illegal act, doesn't make the illegal act, any less illegal.

A bit like saying its ok for shoplifters to go about their business because a shop doesn't have a store detective, so its the store's own fault!

I think the penalty eventually handed down to Hibs may surprise many.

[northstandhibby]

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Actions have consequences....just because there are not enough polis or stewards about to stop an illegal act, doesn't make the illegal act, any less illegal.

A bit like saying its ok for shoplifters to go about their business because a shop doesn't have a store detective, so its the store's own fault!

I think the penalty eventually handed down to Hibs may surprise many.

I think you're imo analogy is a bit clumsy. Ecstatic fans running onto the pitch in ecstasy is nothing like a shoplifter stealing items.

I was at the historic game and while I did not go onto the pitch I don't really criticise the many thousands of Happy Hi bees who did for happy reasons.


GGTTH

[Alfred E Newman]

I'm viewing from not so far and I entirely agree with your thoughts. I think we'll be hit with a hefty fine plus a suspended sentence in the form of a possible ban from the Scottish Cup should a similar incident happen in the future.

That's the most likely outcome. They have to try and send out a message that no matter the circumstances fans cannot flood onto the pitch during or after a game without serious consequences for their club.

[RoYO!]

Neither the police or the sfa went on to the pitch

Correct. They were nowhere near the pitch.....

Even after we scored an extra time goal with 90secs left.

[Forza Fred]

I think you're imo analogy is a bit clumsy. Ecstatic fans running onto the pitch in ecstasy is nothing like a shoplifter stealing items.

I was at the historic game and while I did not go onto the pitch I don't really criticise the many thousands of Happy Hi bees who did for happy reasons.


GGTTH

Not criticising anybody, just stating what I think unfortunately is a fact, whether it is a clumsy example one or not...and that is an illegal act is no less illegal because there is a lack of adequate polis about....

FWIW though, I was watching the match 10,000 miles away and when our fans started to stream on to the pitch, my immediate reaction was...."there is going to be big trouble here..."

A hostile reaction from some Rangers supporters was not exactly too hard to predict....and hence where we are.

I note that there is even a post not long back that suggests we will not be given any punishment at all....and I honestly shake my head in disbelief...

We'll know in a couple of days I guess...........

[Bostonhibby]

Not criticising anybody, just stating what I think unfortunately is a fact, whether it is a clumsy example one or not...and that is an illegal act is no less illegal because there is a lack of adequate polis about....

FWIW though, I was watching the match 10,000 miles away and when our fans started to stream on to the pitch, my immediate reaction was...."there is going to be big trouble here..."

A hostile reaction from some Rangers supporters was not exactly too hard to predict....and hence where we are.

I note that there is even a post not long back that suggests we will not be given any punishment at all....and I honestly shake my head in disbelief...

We'll know in a couple of days I guess...........
Agreed. Folk around me went on, they did nothing but as soon as it happened we'd gift wrapped it for the clearly unhappy suits who run the show, going on the pitch to just celebrate might have meant lesser penalties but that ain't what happened.

The real ugly stuff was down to the the rangers fans but if the justice system keeps dealing with that as it seems to be then the sfa sanctions become a separate issue

[MickeyEdwards]

Try watching the pitch invasion with the sound turned off.

There is barely a hint of trouble on view until some Rangers fans come on the pitch then it's just celebrating fans on show and a line of police horses slowly marshalling the Hibs fans back into the stands.

The commentators take on things was appalling and helped exacerbate the situation. Follow that up with Regan's rant and the Rangers statement and that's the reason we're still talking about it.

Its really not that big a deal and the investigation will show that no players were assaulted, it was mostly over exuberance and inadequate police and stewarding was the main failure on the day.

The few bams who caused trouble are being dealt with and the rest of Scottish football has moved on.

I took photographs as the pitch invasion developed from my seat up in the South Upper just East of the half way line and was saying to those family & friends less focused around me on the detail of the Rangers end at the time that if the Rangers fans came out of their seats onto the pitch too the potential for trouble rather than delirious Hibs celebrations would probably turn into serious confrontational trouble.

Biggest problem was that the police were "out of position" as Hibs "weren't thought by many to be capable of winning from 2-1 down"! They weren't therefore able to prevent the pitch invasion as they realistically should have done!

Rangers made the situation out to be brutal at the instance of the Hibs fans but it was actuay quite the reverse in my view. Whilst there were Hibs fans who behaved very badly and who have hopefully been identified and punished already were a disgrace to themselves and Hibs as well as every well behaved Hibs fan present, the Rangers fans behaved appallingly throughout the afternoon. Their bigoted, sectarian singing was consistent and disgusting and the SFA must deal with this!

Most of us who behaved properly have, as you say moved on along with the rest of Scottish football except, that is, for Rangers.

[northstandhibby]

Not criticising anybody, just stating what I think unfortunately is a fact, whether it is a clumsy example one or not...and that is an illegal act is no less illegal because there is a lack of adequate polis about....

FWIW though, I was watching the match 10,000 miles away and when our fans started to stream on to the pitch, my immediate reaction was...."there is going to be big trouble here..."

A hostile reaction from some Rangers supporters was not exactly too hard to predict....and hence where we are.

I note that there is even a post not long back that suggests we will not be given any punishment at all....and I honestly shake my head in disbelief...

We'll know in a couple of days I guess...........

I blame the Traynor/Jackson lemming scottish media for the over the top reaction to what was a mainly ecstatic pitch invasion by overly happy hi bees. There was a reaction by some of the more idiotic the rangers fans and a bit over zealous happy hi bees. The lemming like scottish media way over reacted because of its presbytarian bias.

I was a the game and would have loved to have seen the team parade the Cup around the stadium but I totally understand the joyous scenes by the thousands of happy hi bees.

Of course there will be some punishment but it should not be heavy handed or disproportionate due to the circumstances of the historic moment or the police lines going awol.





GGTTH

[Jonnyboy]

A message for the SFA.

Any punishment handed out to Hibernian Football Club will be used as a template for future pitch invasions. Beware, this will include the two teams you support on a regular basis.

.......and the flute band played "Believe It If You Like"

Sorted :aok:

[The Green Goblin]

When the report appears in the next couple of days, I can't see anyone out of Hibs, Newhuns, SFA or Police coming out of it well. If it is genuinely "independent" and impartial, that is.

[Velma Dinkley]

When the report appears in the next couple of days, I can't see anyone out of Hibs, Newhuns, SFA or Police coming out of it well. If it is genuinely "independent" and impartial, that is.

Hibs as a club have done nothing wrong. Some fans did. Some Rangers fans behaved appallingly and the Rangers officials disgraced themselves. The sfa and police showed themselves to be incompetent. Any impartial report would show that. Everyone knows it already.

[lord bunberry]

Punishment for these types of incidents are normally handed out to clubs who have failed to have adequate measures in place to prevent said incident happening. How can hibs be responsible for the police and the stewards sending a large number of their employees to Ibrox? Strict liability doesn't exist in Scotland, so the blame automatically goes on the SFA. They can hand out all types of suspended bans, but they can't fine either clubs for something they themselves were responsible for.

[O'Rourke3]

When the report appears in the next couple of days, I can't see anyone out of Hibs, Newhuns, SFA or Police coming out of it well. If it is genuinely "independent" and impartial, that is.

There are two headlines ready. "Vindicated!" and "Do they call this Justice?" The original lines ad stories re-run to prove the headline and appease the The Hun hoards.

[The Green Goblin]

There are two headlines ready. "Vindicated!" and "Do they call this Justice?" The original lines ad stories re-run to prove the headline and appease the The Hun hoards.

:agree: Exactly. Media-wise, the outcome is irrelevant, the story is already written....unless, the report specifically criticises and warns them over the nonsense they printed, in which case they might not be able to afford to be so reckless, but they'll still find a way.

[Eyrie]

Is the report to be publicly available at this point, or is it simply to be issued to the SFA, police and both clubs for their comments prior to being finalised in a month or so?

[CropleyWasGod]

Is the report to be publicly available at this point, or is it simply to be issued to the SFA, police and both clubs for their comments prior to being finalised in a month or so?
The report is to be made to the Board by the end of July. It will be published publicly. That is what the SFA said at the outset.

In practical terms, that means that the earliest we will know about it will be after the first Board meeting after it has been submitted to the SFA.

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[GreenLake]

The report is to be made to the Board by the end of July. It will be published publicly. That is what the SFA said at the outset.

In practical terms, that means that the earliest we will know about it will be after the first Board meeting after it has been submitted to the SFA.

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All instances of the word "supporter/s" coming after the word "Rangers" will be redacted.

[Itsnoteasy]

So has anyone had 6 of the best fi LD or was this just a wind up.

[RoYO!]

Was there any further info/action about the guy that takes a kick at Hendo?

[monktonharp]

We will get a smallish fine (£50k or so) plus a suspended ban from the competition.:agree: I also think that is slightly high, in terms of what The Rangers and certain English clubs have had over recent years for actions in grounds over Europe from UEFA. I think Celtic were involved in one incident too.Paltry sums of 25/30k if I recall. Look back at recent years in Easter Road. I am certain we have had to witness the Auld Rangers winning the league, and swarming onto the Holy Ground. Also seem to recall Aberdeen doing it? look at what der Hun did at Pittodrie in the 90's. ok, things have moved on but 21/5/16 was going to happen if we won, and it did! no apologies.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Was there any further info/action about the guy that takes a kick at Hendo?

I thought that the boy sent the letter(s) out then went on holiday - so presumably the appointments will be made for when he gets back?

[CropleyWasGod]

Was there any further info/action about the guy that takes a kick at Hendo?
It wasn't Henderson

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[spike220]

The headline could well be: Tavener wasnt the only person caught out of position on the SC final!

[InchHibby]

:agree: I also think that is slightly high, in terms of what The Rangers and certain English clubs have had over recent years for actions in grounds over Europe from UEFA. I think Celtic were involved in one incident too.Paltry sums of 25/30k if I recall. Look back at recent years in Easter Road. I am certain we have had to witness the Auld Rangers winning the league, and swarming onto the Holy Ground. Also seem to recall Aberdeen doing it? look at what der Hun did at Pittodrie in the 90's. ok, things have moved on but 21/5/16 was going to happen if we won, and it did! no apologies.

Look into the History of the Scottish Cup, particularly the 1909 final between The Rangers and Celtic, it's almost identical to what happened at Hampden this year.
Sorry I can't post it, not that clever.

[CropleyWasGod]

Look into the History of the Scottish Cup, particularly the 1909 final between The Rangers and Celtic, it's almost identical to what happened at Hampden this year.
Sorry I can't post it, not that clever.

It's not really the same.

In 1909, the crowd rioted because the game, which finished in a draw, was to be replayed. They didn't like that :greengrin There's little similarity between that, and what happened this year.

In any event, using a game that happened 107 years ago as precedent is not likely.

[JeMeSouviens]

It's not really the same.

In 1909, the crowd rioted because the game, which finished in a draw, was to be replayed. They didn't like that :greengrin There's little similarity between that, and what happened this year.

In any event, using a game that happened 107 years ago as precedent is not likely.

:agree:

They rioted (jointly, in a rare moment of Celtc/Hun agreement) after the replay, which was also a draw, when they found out there was to be no extra time. General feeling among the punters was the games were being fixed to provide moneyspinning replays for the clubs and the SFA. It's at least partly responsible for the term "Old Firm".

The 2nd replay never took place and the cup was withheld.

[Geo_1875]

It's not really the same.

In 1909, the crowd rioted because the game, which finished in a draw, was to be replayed. They didn't like that :greengrin There's little similarity between that, and what happened this year.

In any event, using a game that happened 107 years ago as precedent is not likely.

Why not, Celtc and The Rangers are using the precedent of a 326 year old battle to maintain their tradition.

[Forza Fred]

I thought that the boy sent the letter(s) to question it allout then went on holiday - so presumably the appointments will be made for when he gets back?

Is he still on holiday, and the season about to kick off.....if so, bit like Santa's elves going away just prior to Christmas.

Starting to question it all".............

[O'Rourke3]

Is he still on holiday, and the season about to kick off.....if so, bit like Santa's elves going away just prior to Christmas.

Starting to question it all".............

I would imagine with few exceptions the entire club had summer leave booked in the week starting 23 May for months. The repercussions of winning and also the aftermath of the post match celebrations or incidents suddenly changed all that. I'd expect our Security manager may well have been told to can his holiday and this is the last opportunity to get away before this season gets going

[InchHibby]

I took photographs as the pitch invasion developed from my seat up in the South Upper just East of the half way line and was saying to those family & friends less focused around me on the detail of the Rangers end at the time that if the Rangers fans came out of their seats onto the pitch too the potential for trouble rather than delirious Hibs celebrations would probably turn into serious confrontational trouble.

Biggest problem was that the police were "out of position" as Hibs "weren't thought by many to be capable of winning from 2-1 down"! They weren't therefore able to prevent the pitch invasion as they realistically should have done!

Rangers made the situation out to be brutal at the instance of the Hibs fans but it was actuay quite the reverse in my view. Whilst there were Hibs fans who behaved very badly and who have hopefully been identified and punished already were a disgrace to themselves and Hibs as well as every well behaved Hibs fan present, the Rangers fans behaved appallingly throughout the afternoon. Their bigoted, sectarian singing was consistent and disgusting and the SFA must deal with this!

Most of us who behaved properly have, as you say moved on along with the rest of Scottish football except, that is, for Rangers.

I agree with this totally and I'd just like to add one thing,
When Hibs scored the winning goal, everyone could see hundreds of fans running down the aisles, the police and stewards must have also seen this so there was still adequate time before the final whistle blew to block of any attempted pitch invasion. The problem was, there wasn't enough of them within the stadium to address this situation, with the reason being that they were sent elsewhere with the anticipation of a The Rangers win.