Hibs v Livingston match updates

[Brightside]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhEOHr3mlQE the goal in slow mo

[Callum_62]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhEOHr3mlQE the goal in slow mo

offside.

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhEOHr3mlQE the goal in slow mo


what a rather fetching goal

[NorthHibees]

Three much needed points tonight in the end hope this is a turning point.

[Lago]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhEOHr3mlQE the goal in slow mo
Crumbs help my bob jimmy, that's amazing. :agree:

[shamo9]

Boyle's goal was a thing of beauty. I don't think I've seen a better one at Easter Road, maybe the classic goal that never was from Riordan against Dundee in 2004. It might not hold up on second viewing but we shall see. It did genuinely feel like a 1 in a 1000 type thing, got the same feeling from Stewart's goal against Aberdeen in 2007.

Big well done to Stokes as well, worked really hard off the ball and dug us out with a great finish when it looked like being one of those days again.

[trev the hat]

Well that was tough to watch for 60 - 70 mins.
Too many players out of position, McGinn was wasted on the right & Cummings out wide.
Thomson is still a decent player but has no intensity at all.
Keatings worked away when came on but surely Stubbs must take note of width winning us 3 points tonight.
Stokes looked the fittest I've seen him for us & had it not been for Boyles wonder strike would have taken MOM.
That goal was sublime & easily the best I've seen at ER in many a year.
Well done Boyle & the team & after getting the initial setup wrong Stubbs was fortunate tonight. Better opposition won't be so generous.

[Weststandwanab]

did you see gary deegans goal :greengrin

I saw both and quite simply Boyle's goal is comparing Montrachet to SB.

[Weststandwanab]

Was right behind the goals when that one went in so am really looking forward to seeing Boyle 's

What did you think based on you sight of it . ?

[Weststandwanab]

What a difference Boyle made. Good goal from Stokes, unbelievable strike from Boyle.

Only sour note was some idiot a few rows back from me in the east calling the Livi number 2 a 'Black B*******' at one point. Hopefully Hibs can identify and weed out racist morons like this.

Work out his seat reference based on your seat reference and report him.

[Weststandwanab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhEOHr3mlQE the goal in slow mo

Super but if that was in real time you will appreciate how good it was

[Smartie]

There were a few people who have copped a lot of stick lately who deserve a lot of credit tonight.

Stokes - sublime finish and ran himself into the ground. Top marks to him tonight, plenty of comments about him not fancying it and thinking he's above us - well tonight his closing down, fitness levels and willingness to go the extra mile helped bring out the points on a Tuesday night in front of less than 7000 people against Livingston. Just what we wed looking for from him.

Stubbs - paid to make decisions and he made some big decisive ones tonight. We can't escape the fact that the starting line-up was probably wrong and we stumbled around at half-pace for far too long but he made the changes, we stepped it up and we got the points. I'd love to see him go with the team that finished the game in our next game. If we're ever again looking to defend Stubbs and want examples of times when he's changed a game with substitutions or tactical changes - he did both tonight.

[Bostonhibby]

What did you think based on you sight of it . ?
Boyles looked harder to score, deegans was a perfect strike from a better position; have to go for Boyle 's now I have seen it

[GreenCastle]

A win was important tonight and we got it.

But..we still same to be making the same mistakes with team selection and tactics.

We need width and pace in the team.

Otherwise teams park the bus and make it really hard for us. Livi played a back 5 / 6 at times ! Long range shots and quick ball movement / wingers beat that system.

I'm glad Farid started tonight but gutted he went off - hamstring it looked like.

Boyle has to start - this squad is crying out for wingers.

Stubbs 4-2-3-1 formation - not sure about it - Stokes dropping too deep and Cummings on the right?

When we went flat (not diamond) 4-4-2 ( took us 70 mins to make the changes!!) we looked better and stokes and Cummings linked up better.

Stubbs while changed it..definitely got the formation and personel wrong at the start. Also Keatings before Boyle - not sure as Keatings pretty ineffective.

I still think 3-5-2 is the way forward.

We need to find a better balance as we aren't going to scrape through all the next games playing like that.

Awful livi turnout also - 167 or something.

[500miles]

We were the better team throughout, we created chances throughout, and we took the most difficult ones.

This talk about width making the difference reflects what people wanted to see, rather than what they saw. We dominated the opening 20, they scored from a fortunate break and put 11 men behind the ball. Stokes found space in the middle for his goal, and Boyle had a great strike from outside the box - no great crosses or wingplay.

Livi's bottle crashed after the first goal, they made mistakes, and we looked better when they weren't packing the last 40 yards.

The fact is Cummings is missing bags of chances, and we should have scored more than we did as a result.

[GreenCastle]

Whatever division we are in next season we need more width and pace in our team - wide players who are fast and can beat players.

We are trying to play like Barca without the players and teams are allowing players like McGregor time on the ball as they know he won't hurt them if in possession.

Fyfie (and hopefully Dylan) being back should hopefully add more creativity.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Wow ..... the first half we just couldn't get going and it probably goes down as our worst half of football at ER all season, even the first half against Morton was better. The fans played their part by booing the team off.

The last 25 minutes were so much better, a great finish by stokes and what a goal by Boyle .... the trajectory of his shot was such that it would have hit me in the pus if it hadn't been stopped by the net, one of the best goals I have ever seen in person ..... zooooooom :greengrin

Its clear that we still have a good bit to go to recover our early season form, but lets hope that comeback raises the players spirits a wee bit.

My respects to the 7,000 who turned up ............. the rest of my thoughts I'll keep to myself ... for now.

[Dunbar Hibee]

Haven't read through the thread. But people booing at half time was pretty embarrassing.

[NAE NOOKIE]

Haven't read through the thread. But people booing at half time was pretty embarrassing.

Aye .... but at least they were there to boo. If we can get a result on Saturday lets hope we can do better than 7,000 against Falkirk, that tonight was poor by any standard.

[Dunbar Hibee]

Yeah I agree, just don't see the point in booing our team. Delighted we got the 3 points, 2 great goals and hopefully we kick on from here.

[Bishop Hibee]

Haven't read through the thread. But people booing at half time was pretty embarrassing.

No it wasn't. we were poor. The period of play between their goal and our equaliser was awful.

Great finish from Stokes. The kind of finish in his previous spell at Hibs.

Boyle's goal was superb. Gray was a different player with a wide man in front of him to link up to.

Players gave 100% but were inhibited by Stubb's tactics. We should be playing a far more offensive formation against rubbish like that. Thomson was a waste of space.

[WeeRussell]

Super but if that was in real time you will appreciate how good it was

Not sure if already posted but here's the goals in real time - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxgCd0xkID8

Boyle's was indeed an absolute pelter. Both decent goals to be fair :aok:

[MWHIBBIES]

No it wasn't. we were poor. The period of play between their goal and our equaliser was awful.

Great finish from Stokes. The kind of finish in his previous spell at Hibs.

Boyle's goal was superb. Gray was a different player with a wide man in front of him to link up to.

Players gave 100% but were inhibited by Stubb's tactics. We should be playing a far more offensive formation against rubbish like that. Thomson was a waste of space.We started the game with 3 forwards and 2 attack minded central midfielders, how much more offensive do you want?. Thomson was pretty solid, won his battles and covered well.

Players were rubbish for an hour, to completely blame Stubbs is a little naive.

[monktonharp]

Stokes was good last night, and took his goal well. he is wasted a bit, on the wing though. The goal from Boyle was easily one of the best I have ever seen at the Holy Ground. Riordan's goals were mostly pure class but this one is up there, top drawer. whenever it left his foot, you just knew where it was going to end up. McGinn had a bad day at the office, and McGregor was simply shocking. 95% of his "passes" went to a yellow shirt. is he colour blind in some way? we were far better in the second half than some suggest, Hanlon Gray and Stevenson were not too bad but the loss of a goal was a bloody disgrace the way it happened and that demoralised the fans for an hour. hopefully we can have a good support at Alloa on Saturday as the team need backing. when coming off 4 straight losses, a draw then a win is a good sign and if we win on Saturday we are back on track for a good finish ,putting pressure back onto Falkirk. we will be there or thereabouts come the end.

[dmc1875]

The win was the most important tonight but let's not kid ourselves, that was a struggle and won by a wonder goal otherwise we would be bemoaning another horrendous performance.

Stokes deserves credit edit for his work rate and finish, Boyles goal was as good as you will see, but we were terribly poor. Second to most balls, struggling to string passes together and dodgy in defence.

This Hibs team needs something different and gray and Stevenson have been abysmal for weeks now. Boyle at RWB would be a start.

We need a vast improvement, we need width and a change of the same old same old formation that every team in the league has sussed out to get us to the level required to negotiate the playoffs.

Heres hoping today is what the players needed.

[mjhibby]

A win was important tonight and we got it.

But..we still same to be making the same mistakes with team selection and tactics.

We need width and pace in the team.

Otherwise teams park the bus and make it really hard for us. Livi played a back 5 / 6 at times ! Long range shots and quick ball movement / wingers beat that system.

I'm glad Farid started tonight but gutted he went off - hamstring it looked like.

Boyle has to start - this squad is crying out for wingers.

Stubbs 4-2-3-1 formation - not sure about it - Stokes dropping too deep and Cummings on the right?

When we went flat (not diamond) 4-4-2 ( took us 70 mins to make the changes!!) we looked better and stokes and Cummings linked up better.

Stubbs while changed it..definitely got the formation and personel wrong at the start. Also Keatings before Boyle - not sure as Keatings pretty ineffective.

I still think 3-5-2 is the way forward.

We need to find a better balance as we aren't going to scrape through all the next games playing like that.

Awful livi turnout also - 167 or something.

Can't fathom why we don't play 3-5-2 more often. It puts more pressure on the opposition and makes it harder for them to get the ball out of defence. The Falkirk game is a biggie and he needs to get at them and out of their comfort zone. Hopefully the win gets the team going again.

[Tyler Durden]

We were the better team throughout, we created chances throughout, and we took the most difficult ones.

This talk about width making the difference reflects what people wanted to see, rather than what they saw. We dominated the opening 20, they scored from a fortunate break and put 11 men behind the ball. Stokes found space in the middle for his goal, and Boyle had a great strike from outside the box - no great crosses or wingplay.

Livi's bottle crashed after the first goal, they made mistakes, and we looked better when they weren't packing the last 40 yards.

The fact is Cummings is missing bags of chances, and we should have scored more than we did as a result.

What chances did Cummings miss?

Stokes had a great chance first half from a cut back free kick from Henderson. He then missed a sitter from Boyles cutback second half and a header from 6 yards.

I thought they both played well to be fair - it was the defence that caused us a problem conceding a shocker

[Coco Bryce]

Yeah I agree, just don't see the point in booing our team. Delighted we got the 3 points, 2 great goals and hopefully we kick on from here.

I agree.

Could say the same about some of our fans shouting 'Hoof' every time we punted the ball up the park in the second half last night.

[The Spaceman]

Whilst supporters obviously have a right to voice their opinions as they like, what do people think they will achieve by booing and hounding the players :confused: we aren't locked in a relegation battle, we are in the promotion playoffs and the semi final of our national cup. Support the boys, encourage them, give them the confidence they need to get us the results. We have all seen what a Hibs team with confidence can do already this season. :hibees

[marinello59]

Whilst supporters obviously have a right to voice their opinions as they like, what do people think they will achieve by booing and hounding the players :confused: we aren't locked in a relegation battle, we are in the promotion playoffs and the semi final of our national cup. Support the boys, encourage them, give them the confidence they need to get us the results. We have all seen what a Hibs team with confidence can do already this season. :hibees

Hounding the players? Take out the boos as the team left at half time (understandable) and the fans were very supportive last night.

[Brightside]

We started the game with 3 forwards and 2 attack minded central midfielders, how much more offensive do you want?. Thomson was pretty solid, won his battles and covered well.

Players were rubbish for an hour, to completely blame Stubbs is a little naive.

for 30 mins after the livi goal our midfield were hiding...so our CBs ended up punting long balls. Hence the booing at HT.

[SlickShoes]

I find it hilarious that folk are up in arms about the paying customers at the game booing. It's not something I would do personally but previous to last night we had won 1 league game in 8 or something and lost 4 of them in the second tier of Scottish football, we then went 1-0 down to a horrific Livingston side.

Do you want the team applauded off the park? People are entitled to boo, performances recently have been unacceptable.

[Alfred E Newman]

Haven't read through the thread. But people booing at half time was pretty embarrassing.

The 1st half performance was more embarrassing than the booing. The second half wasn't much better.
I didn't boo but I can understand why some did.
I suppose it's the only way for those few who turned up last night to show their frustration other than join the rest who stayed away.

[Hibby Bairn]

The 1st half performance was more embarrassing than the booing. The second half wasn't much better.
I didn't boo but I can understand why some did.
I suppose it's the only way for those few who turned up last night to show their frustration other than join the rest who stayed away.

Fenlon-esque :agree:

[monktonharp]

The 1st half performance was more embarrassing than the booing. The second half wasn't much better.
I didn't boo but I can understand why some did.
I suppose it's the only way for those few who turned up last night to show their frustration other than join the rest who stayed away. Lets put this into perspective. the few that turned up? over 7000 Hibs fans were there, on a crap night following some horrendous results. How many season ticket holders do we have?:wink:

[monktonharp]

I find it hilarious that folk are up in arms about the paying customers at the game booing. It's not something I would do personally but previous to last night we had won 1 league game in 8 or something and lost 4 of them in the second tier of Scottish football, we then went 1-0 down to a horrific Livingston side.

Do you want the team applauded off the park? People are entitled to boo, performances recently have been unacceptable.was this the same horrific Livi side that recently beat The Rangers, drew with Falkirk, and with us all recently and are still battling to avoid relegation? they got a goal through a calamity of mistakes, and had another shot at goal. we should have been up by a couple before that, but were not. we almost scored in the first minute of the second half, and there on continued to dominate the game, and won . it is all about confidence, and we will move forward getting back to what we have achieved with good fitba'. Also, 2 of our players had their worst ever games for us, last night. not a bad night's work for 9 men:wink:

[Alfred E Newman]

Lets put this into perspective. the few that turned up? over 7000 Hibs fans were there, on a crap night following some horrendous results. How many season ticket holders do we have?:wink:

These statistics are fine if you are happy to lower the standards. Yes, compared to other teams 7000 is not bad but for our fan base it is not great especially when you consider what is at stake.
It certainly was not a crap night, the weather was fine for a game on an improving pitch but I agree that we are back down to the hardcore of ticket holders thanks to this poor run.

[SlickShoes]

was this the same horrific Livi side that recently beat The Rangers, drew with Falkirk, and with us all recently and are still battling to avoid relegation? they got a goal through a calamity of mistakes, and had another shot at goal. we should have been up by a couple before that, but were not. we almost scored in the first minute of the second half, and there on continued to dominate the game, and won . it is all about confidence, and we will move forward getting back to what we have achieved with good fitba'. Also, 2 of our players had their worst ever games for us, last night. not a bad night's work for 9 men:wink:

The bolded part is the story of the season and for folk at the game it's very frustrating to watch over and over again. Livi are not a good side, just because they have 2 OK results, they have struggled all season long.

15 shots vs 2 and we win 2-1, it's acceptable but only just, not convinced much has changed yet but just hope we can keep winning and building confidence, then fans won't feel like booing at half time.

[NAE NOOKIE]

The 1st half performance was more embarrassing than the booing. The second half wasn't much better.
I didn't boo but I can understand why some did.
I suppose it's the only way for those few who turned up last night to show their frustration other than join the rest who stayed away.

I don't ( will never ) boo the team off .......... but I have a hell of a lot more time for folk who turn up and boo than those who don't turn up at all.

We are still in the race for 2nd, still in the Scottish cup and will definitely be in the play offs ... the way so many appear to have turned their backs so quickly after our first proper run of poor results is disheartening .... 6 weeks ago we had 16,000 Hibs fans through the door on a Wednesday night, what the hell happened to 9,000 of them last night? Perhaps they were all in the house cribbing up on the words to Sunshine on Leith for the next time they feel the team is worthy of their presence.

The Falkirk game in a weeks time could be incredibly significant as to whether we finish 2nd, with the number of games we have piled up avoiding 3rd place is incredibly important ... Hibs need support now, not just in one off 'glamour' games.

[cmcd]

In that role he needed to be the out ball for our CBs.... but he comes deep...gets the ball then plays it back. You have to receive and looks for the forward pass. Henderson was much better doing that in the 2nd half.

KT was played in the position he plays best Winning the ball keeping possession and passing the ball forward or back depending on the movement in front of him .As I said before KT lost possession only once so job done

[CallumLaidlaw]

The booing I will never ever understand. And here's why. Yes people are entitled to their opinion, but in what world does anyone think that booing and generally making for an unpleasant atmosphere think that that will encourage the players. If my boss stood over my shoulder telling me how crap I was and generally putting negative pressure on me, I doubt it would make me perform better.

Journalists have been told by opposition players in the past that their managers aim at Easter road is to frustrate the home fans because they "very quickly get on the players backs" so this is something recognised by our opponents. Yet we continue to do it.

[Danderhall Hibs]

The booing I will never ever understand. And here's why. Yes people are entitled to their opinion, but in what world does anyone think that booing and generally making for an unpleasant atmosphere think that that will encourage the players. If my boss stood over my shoulder telling me how crap I was and generally putting negative pressure on me, I doubt it would make me perform better.

Journalists have been told by opposition players in the past that their managers aim at Easter road is to frustrate the home fans because they "very quickly get on the players backs" so this is something recognised by our opponents. Yet we continue to do it.

Tam McManus spoke about it on the radio prior to the match as well.

[matty_f]

The first half started ok but as soon as Livi scored we were, at best, a shambles for the rest of the half. We looked totally devoid of ideas either going forward or defending, and Livi found it fairly easy to deal with us.

Second half was a different story and the real turning points were the introduction of Boyle, and a jump in standard from Stevenson down the left. I thought he looked much more like the player we saw earlier in the season, and he whipped in a few dangerous crosses from the left.

Stokes was the man of the match for me, he did a power of work and showed his quality last night. Although not as spectacular as Boyle's wonder-goal, Stokes' goal was a terrific piece of play - watch the build up to the goal and see Stokes' movement, it's fantastic.

One thing that stood out for me last night is how reluctant we are to get men in the box. Even with three strikers on the pitch, the number of times a cross came in to one or two Hibs players in the box was unbelievable.

If I was to pick one thing to 'fix' from last night, it would be to have players burst a gut to get into the box when we attack - especially when we're breaking. We frequently gave Livi time to get back and pack the defence because we got so far, had no options, so ended up going back. It was so frustrating.

A welcome win, but a lot of work to be done.

[cmcd]

No it wasn't. we were poor. The period of play between their goal and our equaliser was awful.

Great finish from Stokes. The kind of finish in his previous spell at Hibs.

Boyle's goal was superb. Gray was a different player with a wide man in front of him to link up to.

Players gave 100% but were inhibited by Stubb's tactics. We should be playing a far more offensive formation against rubbish like that. Thomson was a waste of space.
Did you actually watch the game ???

[Super_JMcGinn]

[QUOTE=Aldo;4637759]I don't think he does know what he is going and seems to want to play a certain way regardless.

We can all see where it's going wrong Stubs just seems oblivious, maybe even stubborn, trying to force something to work that looks like it never will.

I think the word I'm looking for tonight is capitulation![/QUOTE

I always have a wee read at the match day threads after I come home from the match, it was too late last night so I had a wee read with my coffee this morning, you never cease to make me laugh with your defeatist comments Aldo, thankfully the team didn't capitulate :na na:

[wookie70]

I never joined in the booing as I tend to only vent when I think players just aren't trying or are hiding, that certainly hasn't been the case under Stubbs. If you are going to boo get it done at half time or full time as it probably won't have a negative affect. Our big issue with the crowd last night was starting to moan when players were holding the ball or knocking it sideways because there wasn't an option. McGregor in particular was having a poor passing game and the crowd probably made matters worse. You could quite easily argue that the booing at half time spurred the players on to perform better in the second half although I would argue it was the subs and the fact they couldn't have played any worse than the later parts of the first half.

Stokes was my MOTM and I thought his workrate was excellent and he was only hampered by where he was asked to play. I also though KT had an excellent game with some great probing passes and some very good defensive work. McGinn was honking and Henderson poor too so no idea how anyone would single out KT in the midfield last night as being an issue.


The booing I will never ever understand. And here's why. Yes people are entitled to their opinion, but in what world does anyone think that booing and generally making for an unpleasant atmosphere think that that will encourage the players. If my boss stood over my shoulder telling me how crap I was and generally putting negative pressure on me, I doubt it would make me perform better.

Journalists have been told by opposition players in the past that their managers aim at Easter road is to frustrate the home fans because they "very quickly get on the players backs" so this is something recognised by our opponents. Yet we continue to do it.

[JimBHibees]

I never joined in the booing as I tend to only vent when I think players just aren't trying or are hiding, that certainly hasn't been the case under Stubbs. If you are going to boo get it done at half time or full time as it probably won't have a negative affect. Our big issue with the crowd last night was starting to moan when players were holding the ball or knocking it sideways because there wasn't an option. McGregor in particular was having a poor passing game and the crowd probably made matters worse. You could quite easily argue that the booing at half time spurred the players on to perform better in the second half although I would argue it was the subs and the fact they couldn't have played any worse than the later parts of the first half.

Stokes was my MOTM and I thought his workrate was excellent and he was only hampered by where he was asked to play. I also though KT had an excellent game with some great probing passes and some very good defensive work. McGinn was honking and Henderson poor too so no idea how anyone would single out KT in the midfield last night as being an issue.

Agree with that thought he was very good.

[Craig_in_Prague]

The booing I will never ever understand. And here's why. Yes people are entitled to their opinion, but in what world does anyone think that booing and generally making for an unpleasant atmosphere think that that will encourage the players. If my boss stood over my shoulder telling me how crap I was and generally putting negative pressure on me, I doubt it would make me perform better.

Journalists have been told by opposition players in the past that their managers aim at Easter road is to frustrate the home fans because they "very quickly get on the players backs" so this is something recognised by our opponents. Yet we continue to do it.

Fair points
But as probably Scotlands biggest underachievers in the last 40 years, fans have to show displeasure somehow.

[Bishop Hibee]

Did you actually watch the game ???

Yes I was there.

[Argylehibby]

Fair points
But as probably Scotlands biggest underachievers in the last 40 years, fans have to show displeasure somehow.

If they have to show displeasure then after the final whistle would be the time to do it as the opposition don't get the boost that others have mentioned on this thread already. .

[Bad Martini]

I don't ( will never ) boo the team off .......... but I have a hell of a lot more time for folk who turn up and boo than those who don't turn up at all.

We are still in the race for 2nd, still in the Scottish cup and will definitely be in the play offs ... the way so many appear to have turned their backs so quickly after our first proper run of poor results is disheartening .... 6 weeks ago we had 16,000 Hibs fans through the door on a Wednesday night, what the hell happened to 9,000 of them last night? Perhaps they were all in the house cribbing up on the words to Sunshine on Leith for the next time they feel the team is worthy of their presence.

The Falkirk game in a weeks time could be incredibly significant as to whether we finish 2nd, with the number of games we have piled up avoiding 3rd place is incredibly important ... Hibs need support now, not just in one off 'glamour' games.

Agree with a lot of what you post. However, support has been there since (and before) the Butcher **** up, the first and now this second season in the pit with the ****. Support is not the problem mate....inconsistency and expectation that when the team (not club) reverts to this pish, folk can and will swallow it. Truth be told, we ARE to good for this division on paper.....and the start of the season backed that up in person. But, whats on paper and what happened 10-15 games ago is irrelevant. The league table does not lie and the results dont lie. Yes, we were unlucky in the cup final, yes we were unfortunate along the way and yes we were (arguably) fairly fortunate to get the win last night. This is all a bit too close for a club with a right (on paper) to be expecting more....and folk can and will get pissed off with it and boo at times.

I agree that those who put nothing in are in less of a position to hurl abuse from a keyboard. BUT, ask yourself why so many are behind a keyboard now and how many wanted it to turn out that way. Probably none of them other than the weirdos who enjoy serially moaning.

Anyway, lets hope the win kicks our team with much potential up the arse to remember the start of the season as April is VITAL to our success, season ticket sales and future for the next season frankly. We **** up this months games, we're probably more likely to stay down and Im not even going there with that cup for obvious reasons. League success and who knows what it brings.

It really is that simple. Time to have nae mair excuses, grow a great big set of huge balls each and not **** up again. No pressure but in reality, we SHOULD be able to slap most of our opponents and at the least, not lose to the "better" team(s). On paper.

GGTTH all the same mind and still better to have our problems than be a mutant from gorgie. :agree:

ENDOF

[Shrekko]

Tam McManus spoke about it on the radio prior to the match as well.

It doesnt matter how many ex Hibs players and opposition players/coaches that mention this- some people on here just refuse to accept whats blatantly obvious. Hibs fans are far too quickly on the back of the players and can be more of an advantage to the opposition. Yes, there are reasons people are frustrated, and good reasons at that but it's talked about way too often by players for it to be a myth.

I was thinking to myself last night that there would be some fans getting ready to boo Stokes if the game didnt turn around even though he was playing really well. Really poor when they started booing after McGregor mis-hit a couple of passes. Boy was having a stinker, but he's a Hibee and a very wholehearted player.

[cabbageandribs1875]

http://www.hibernianfc.co.uk/tv/video/975


not saw stokes goal on any other thread, nice wee flick from cummings to stokes








but that livi goal, deary me :greengrin

[Danderhall Hibs]

It doesnt matter how many ex Hibs players and opposition players/coaches that mention this- some people on here just refuse to accept whats blatantly obvious. Hibs fans are far too quickly on the back of the players and can be more of an advantage to the opposition. Yes, there are reasons people are frustrated, and good reasons at that but it's talked about way too often by players for it to be a myth.

I was thinking to myself last night that there would be some fans getting ready to boo Stokes if the game didnt turn around even though he was playing really well. Really poor when they started booing after McGregor mis-hit a couple of passes. Boy was having a stinker, but he's a Hibee and a very wholehearted player.

:agree: there were a few groans at Oxley at one point cos he didn't aimlessly punt it up the park. Clearly he couldn't pass it out as all his teammates were facing the other way so I assume the big hoooof was what was being requested.

[inglisavhibs]

The win was the most important tonight but let's not kid ourselves, that was a struggle and won by a wonder goal otherwise we would be bemoaning another horrendous performance.

Stokes deserves credit edit for his work rate and finish, Boyles goal was as good as you will see, but we were terribly poor. Second to most balls, struggling to string passes together and dodgy in defence.

This Hibs team needs something different and gray and Stevenson have been abysmal for weeks now. Boyle at RWB would be a start.

We need a vast improvement, we need width and a change of the same old same old formation that every team in the league has sussed out to get us to the level required to negotiate the playoffs.

Heres hoping today is what the players needed.

Agree with all that and trying to accommodate three central strikers wasn't a great idea! Darren McGregor has never been and never will be good on the ball. He is however a good backs to the wall defender with a great will to win, and always has a great attitude.

[blackpoolhibs]

I love how the fans that stayed away are being criticised, and they are also getting criticised for going to games too? :faf:

[NAE NOOKIE]

Agree with a lot of what you post. However, support has been there since (and before) the Butcher **** up, the first and now this second season in the pit with the ****. Support is not the problem mate....inconsistency and expectation that when the team (not club) reverts to this pish, folk can and will swallow it. Truth be told, we ARE to good for this division on paper.....and the start of the season backed that up in person. But, whats on paper and what happened 10-15 games ago is irrelevant. The league table does not lie and the results dont lie. Yes, we were unlucky in the cup final, yes we were unfortunate along the way and yes we were (arguably) fairly fortunate to get the win last night. This is all a bit too close for a club with a right (on paper) to be expecting more....and folk can and will get pissed off with it and boo at times.

I agree that those who put nothing in are in less of a position to hurl abuse from a keyboard. BUT, ask yourself why so many are behind a keyboard now and how many wanted it to turn out that way. Probably none of them other than the weirdos who enjoy serially moaning.

Anyway, lets hope the win kicks our team with much potential up the arse to remember the start of the season as April is VITAL to our success, season ticket sales and future for the next season frankly. We **** up this months games, we're probably more likely to stay down and Im not even going there with that cup for obvious reasons. League success and who knows what it brings.

It really is that simple. Time to have nae mair excuses, grow a great big set of huge balls each and not **** up again. No pressure but in reality, we SHOULD be able to slap most of our opponents and at the least, not lose to the "better" team(s). On paper.

GGTTH all the same mind and still better to have our problems than be a mutant from gorgie. :agree:

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I get that, but my point is we haven't actually screwed anything up yet ...... yes we lost the cup final, but we did brilliantly even to get there. Yes we have had a bad run, but the truth is we were never favourites to win the league and we still have a good chance of finishing second. Most fans tend to give their team the bump when the game is up ..... ours appear to have lost faith before the game has even started.

The second it looks like we might not be as well placed to have a successful season as they thought, instead of sticking with the team to see if they can turn it around too many of our supporters just appear to have shrugged their shoulders and given up ...... last nights attendance was shocking from a support that is capable of so much better.

I don't get too hung up on attendances usually, but I have to say when I walked through the tunnel into the FF last night just on kick off and looked at the East my heart sank .. l can only imagine what the players must have thought as they ran out, I fail to see how being apparently given up on by so many supporters while they are still in the fight is supposed to inspire them to greater efforts.

The only reasonable explanation for last nights poor turn out I would give any credence to is that we have a hell of a lot of home games this month and a semi final ..... If you don't have a season ticket and have to pick and choose, Hibs v Falkirk is a much more attractive fixture than Hibs v Livvi and as things stand I could understand why folk would pick the former.

If we beat Alloa at the weekend I fail to see why any Hibs fan with the money to spare wouldn't want to be at the Falkirk game next Tuesday .... anything less than a 10,000 home support for that one will be a sad state of affairs indeed.

[SlickShoes]

I get that, but my point is we haven't actually screwed anything up yet ...... yes we lost the cup final, but we did brilliantly even to get there. Yes we have had a bad run, but the truth is we were never favourites to win the league and we still have a good chance of finishing second. Most fans tend to give their team the bump when the game is up ..... ours appear to have lost faith before the game has even started.

The second it looks like we might not be as well placed to have a successful season as they thought, instead of sticking with the team to see if they can turn it around too many of our supporters just appear to have shrugged their shoulders and given up ...... last nights attendance was shocking from a support that is capable of so much better.

I don't get too hung up on attendances usually, but I have to say when I walked through the tunnel into the FF last night just on kick off and looked at the East my heart sank .. l can only imagine what the players must have thought as they ran out, I fail to see how being apparently given up on by so many supporters while they are still in the fight is supposed to inspire them to greater efforts.

The only reasonable explanation for last nights poor turn out I would give any credence to is that we have a hell of a lot of home games this month and a semi final ..... If you don't have a season ticket and have to pick and choose, Hibs v Falkirk is a much more attractive fixture than Hibs v Livvi and as things stand I could understand why folk would pick the former.

If we beat Alloa at the weekend I fail to see why any Hibs fan with the money to spare wouldn't want to be at the Falkirk game next Tuesday .... anything less than a 10,000 home support for that one will be a sad state of affairs indeed.

People are annoyed because we have done our traditional second half of season make a mess of everything.

We have lost out on the league a full 7 games before the end of the season, we lost a cup final in a way that many people could see coming after last years semi final against falkirk. That is a screw up as far as I am concerned.

I agree there is still a lot to play for but the fans booing last night is a symptom of years and years of the exact same thing happening at the exact same time.

This is still coming over as a blame the fans nonsense, you get fans if you do well or entertain, we do neither and haven't for a long time. Supporters will always be there but to get fans to come back Hibs have a hell of a long way to go. The recent run of form has utterly destroyed our forward momentum and shaking of the tag of ****ing everything up in the worst way possible because we had stopped doing that, well until we managed to do it again.

[Stevie Reid]

Apologies if posted already, but there's now a link to Boyle's goal on the BBC Football home page: -

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35976745

[Alfred E Newman]

I love how the fans that stayed away are being criticised, and they are also getting criticised for going to games too? :faf:

That's just what I was thinking.
Last night there was some minor booing by a minority at half time in reaction to a miserable first half and despite the second half being more of the same , I thought the crowd stuck by the team pretty well.
I don't think the reaction would have been any better at any other ground in Scotland, in fact, given a similar dreadful run of results it would probably be worse.

[Smartie]

I only got to the game 5 minutes before half-time but I'd been reading the updates thread in the taxi on the way across town so I was really fearing the worst.

There was a palpable atmosphere of frustration when I entered the stadium. For that 5 minutes before half-time Hibs were shockingly bad although we had the one decent break up the park when there was the suggestion of handball from Gray's cross. We just couldn't string any passes together and we looked clueless. I thought we looked like we needed half-time to re-group.

The players were playing badly and the fans seemed to be giving them both barrels. I don't know how the full first 45 went but on the little bit I saw the booing at half-time was justified.

I have to say that after the break I thought we played quite well. We were still a bit slow and ponderous in our approach but we were dominating possession and carving out the odd chance. Livi aren't a bad side, they've taken points off us, Rangers and Falkirk this season so it was always going to take a decent effort to get the win.

I was a bit surprised at some of the personal abuse being thrown at some of our players - Jason Cummings in particular seemed to be copping a lot of flak whilst not playing particularly badly.

We were doing ok but the subs and formation change did change the game much more in our favour. I wasn't happy at seeing Thomson go off as I'd thought he'd been one of our best players up to that point but we looked infinitely better once we'd made the change.

There was a real sense of relief when the goals went in and it was incredible how much the atmosphere changed - it was great to hear the appreciation for the effort Stokes was putting in. I still thought that there was a bit much grief for Cummings though who still seemed to be getting in it in the neck from the folk around me. There were a few occasions towards the end of the game when he kept possession brilliantly yet they couldn't wait to hurl abuse at him - really harsh.

It was a weird atmosphere, albeit I watched the game from a different place to the one I normally watch from.

Also - was it just me or was the grass really long last night? It didn't look like the ball ran the same way as it normally does over the ground. I thought that this may have affected our passing at times, mostly negatively but sometimes positively as it seemed to hold the ball up for our player to reach rather than running out of play.

[NAE NOOKIE]

People are annoyed because we have done our traditional second half of season make a mess of everything.

We have lost out on the league a full 7 games before the end of the season, we lost a cup final in a way that many people could see coming after last years semi final against falkirk. That is a screw up as far as I am concerned.

I agree there is still a lot to play for but the fans booing last night is a symptom of years and years of the exact same thing happening at the exact same time.

This is still coming over as a blame the fans nonsense, you get fans if you do well or entertain, we do neither and haven't for a long time. Supporters will always be there but to get fans to come back Hibs have a hell of a long way to go. The recent run of form has utterly destroyed our forward momentum and shaking of the tag of ****ing everything up in the worst way possible because we had stopped doing that, well until we managed to do it again.

I personally don't boo the players, but I do understand why some folk react in that way ..... though I thought the booing at the end of the Morton game was bang out of order considering that it was our first really bad result in months. Having said that, its up to the team to give a result to the folk who turn up and if they choose to boo at full time then at least they have paid for the right.

I know many fans stop going when their team starts playing badly ... I suppose that's inevitable when a team has nothing to play for. But it seems to me that even though a lot of folk are angry at recent displays ( including me ) there is still everything to play for and in my opinion you are a pretty poor supporter if you just give up because the historical evidence points to the likelihood that things might not go your way.

Historical evidence or not ... there cant be many fans in world football who chuck in the towel because their team might fail :confused:

[Aldo]

REALLY. Me along with quite a few others. So Go and do me a favour..... Stick me on ignore!!

Before I get myself a ban!

[AlbertK86]

I get that, but my point is we haven't actually screwed anything up yet ...... yes we lost the cup final, but we did brilliantly even to get there. Yes we have had a bad run, but the truth is we were never favourites to win the league and we still have a good chance of finishing second. Most fans tend to give their team the bump when the game is up ..... ours appear to have lost faith before the game has even started. The second it looks like we might not be as well placed to have a successful season as they thought, instead of sticking with the team to see if they can turn it around too many of our supporters just appear to have shrugged their shoulders and given up ...... last nights attendance was shocking from a support that is capable of so much better. I don't get too hung up on attendances usually, but I have to say when I walked through the tunnel into the FF last night just on kick off and looked at the East my heart sank .. l can only imagine what the players must have thought as they ran out, I fail to see how being apparently given up on by so many supporters while they are still in the fight is supposed to inspire them to greater efforts. The only reasonable explanation for last nights poor turn out I would give any credence to is that we have a hell of a lot of home games this month and a semi final ..... If you don't have a season ticket and have to pick and choose, Hibs v Falkirk is a much more attractive fixture than Hibs v Livvi and as things stand I could understand why folk would pick the former. If we beat Alloa at the weekend I fail to see why any Hibs fan with the money to spare wouldn't want to be at the Falkirk game next Tuesday .... anything less than a 10,000 home support for that one will be a sad state of affairs indeed.

Excellent post

[cmcd]

No it wasn't. we were poor. The period of play between their goal and our equaliser was awful.

Great finish from Stokes. The kind of finish in his previous spell at Hibs.

Boyle's goal was superb. Gray was a different player with a wide man in front of him to link up to.

Players gave 100% but were inhibited by Stubb's tactics. We should be playing a far more offensive formation against rubbish like that. Thomson was a waste of space.

You were talking a little sense until last sentence