Butcher watch

[Bostonhibby]

Ouch

[Row H]

Losing to the last kick of the game takes away the fear of losing to the last kick of the game.

[blackpoolhibs]

:faf::faf::faf::faf::faf:

[Frazerbob]

Haha 93rd minute winner for Morecombe

[Bostonhibby]

Yeehah, Newport really are determined to get that record.😃

[Bostonhibby]

Losing to the last kick of the game takes away the fear of losing to the last kick of the game.
They really are getting all these fears out the way early

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Get in there! time to throw the terry towel in!

[Liam89]

Yes!

[paul_hfc3]

Too funny. London Hibs will be a happy man. Get into the aggressive ones giving you grief for your warnings about TB, London Hibs.

[Hibbyradge]

Butcher is going to surpass his previous highlights by actually getting a team relegated out of the league altogether.

I think he does it deliberately cos he likes his garden.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Managed to back Newport at HT to score the next goal too, happy days! :-)

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Who is going to organise a bus to Newport? We should really give something back.

[Kaff]

Managed to back Newport at HT to score the next goal too, happy days! :-)
Well done, I thought they were in the game and took them 10-1 to win from 0-1 down, not too unhappy to have lost!

[Northernhibee]

Get in :thumbsup:

[Sergey]

Having the worst defensive record in the Football League takes away the fear of having the worst defensive record in the Football League.

[blackpoolhibs]

Who is going to organise a bus to Newport? We should really give something back.

Not me, i'm not attending the Wimbledon MK Dons game that day.

[Northernhibee]

Some Newport fans already calling for Butcher to resign/be sacked.

I hate to say that we told you so, but...

:flag::flag:WE TOLD YOU SO :flag::flag:

:taxi

[Kato]

Not me, i'm not attending the Wimbledon MK Dons game that day.


I fancy not chumming you to that.

[Hibs Class]

Was hoping to do a man city/arsenal double but there was little value in it. Backing the Newport to lose as well treble returned 6/1

[#FromTheCapital]

Decent payday today, cheers El Tel. My arsecheeks were flapping at one point but knew I could count on Terry to deliver.

[iwasthere1972]

I shouldn't really but..........ah go on then.

:rotflmao::rotflmao:

[Northernhibee]

https://media.giphy.com/media/mbZshK2Svz89q/giphy.gif

[Smartie]

With the free money I'm now getting every week I think I'm going to buy shares in a few garden centres in South Wales.

I predict an unseasonal upturn in business in a few weeks time.

[emerald green]

Newport now 3 points clear at the bottom of League 2.

P7 W0 D1 L6 F5 A15 PTS1:loser:

[Borderhibbie76]

Newport now 3 points clear at the bottom of League 2.

P7 W0 D1 L6 F5 A15 PTS1:loser:

The Butcher...the gift that keeps on giving ! At least ur consistent Tel

[Jim44]

Some Newport fans already calling for Butcher to resign/be sacked.

I hate to say that we told you so, but...

:flag::flag:WE TOLD YOU SO :flag::flag:

:taxi


I couldn't find much of that on the forum I looked at, the Exiles or something. They seem to be more upset at a couple of Hibbys winding them up.

[Sir David Gray]

Newport now 3 points clear at the bottom of League 2.

P7 W0 D1 L6 F5 A15 PTS1:loser:

What clown's in charge of the team that failed to beat them?

Surely that's a sackable offence in itself.

[Sergey]

Newport County manager Terry Butcher told BBC Radio Wales: "I can't describe the feeling in the dressing room to be honest. It's one of devastation and huge, huge disappointment because we played so well in the game. Blah, blah, blah...

More tosh from Butcher. With his managerial experience, he should be able to describe that 'feeling in the dressing room' better than any other manager in the game.

[Bostonhibby]

I couldn't find much of that on the forum I looked at, the Exiles or something. They seem to be more upset at a couple of Hibbys winding them up.
Tel will still be talking a good game.

[Danderhall Hibs]

Tel will still be talking a good game.

Has he got as many mates in the media down there as he had up here? He was well protected up here.

[stoneyburn hibs]

Genuinely feel sorry for the Newport fans having that tank in charge......but I wish him the worst.

[lord bunberry]

I'm thinking of giving up work and becoming a professional gambler. 1 bet a week will do it.

[tamig]

Has he got as many mates in the media down there as he had up here? He was well protected up here.

Indeed. It's almost like his butchering of Hibs didn't happen. It rarely gets mentioned.

[Bostonhibby]

Indeed. It's almost like his butchering of Hibs didn't happen. It rarely gets mentioned.
Frequently on doing his bit of punditry before he landed the Newport job. Rarely hear about his abysmal record. His views aren't questioned. Ex England hero

[Jim44]

Indeed. It's almost like his butchering of Hibs didn't happen. It rarely gets mentioned.

I think the reason that Butcher hasn't been singled out for a personal hammering from the media is because, if the truth be told, we have been a bit of a joke of a club for years under a series of poor managers, led by a useless board, headed of course by you know who. Butcher happened to be the one at the end of a long line of disasters when it really went tits up. His spell at ER was truly a nightmare but the consequence of his incompetence was lost in the bigger picture of our steady demise over the years and hence his comparatively innocuous treatment by the media.

[lord bunberry]

I think the reason that Butcher hasn't been singled out for a personal hammering from the media is because, if the truth be told, we have been a bit of a joke of a club for years under a series of poor managers, led by a useless board, headed of course by you know who. Butcher happened to be the one at the end of a long line of disasters when it really went tits up. His spell at ER was truly a nightmare but the consequence of his incompetence was lost in the bigger picture of our steady demise over the years and hence his comparatively innocuous treatment by the media.
I would agree with that and add that he's no longer involved in Scottish football means no one outside us cares.

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

Genuinly the most abysmal manager that's ever graced the world of football. To save me having to actually Google 'Terry Butcher' can someone fill in the gaps please..

Coventry-SACKED
Sunderland-SACKED
Melbourne-SACKED
ICT-RELEGATED
Motherwell-FINISHED BOTTOM OF THE SPL
Hibs-RELEGATED AND SACKED
Newport-BOTTOM OF LEAGUE 2. SOON TO BE SACKED

What else is on his utterly minging record?

Kicking myself massively for not lumping on them to lose today. Would have enjoyed that 94th min winner even more

[lord bunberry]

Genuinly the most abysmal manager that's ever graced the world of football. To save me having to actually Google 'Terry Butcher' can someone fill in the gaps please..

Coventry-SACKED
Sunderland-SACKED
Melbourne-SACKED
ICT-RELEGATED
Motherwell-FINISHED BOTTOM OF THE SPL
Hibs-RELEGATED AND SACKED
Newport-BOTTOM OF LEAGUE 2. SOON TO BE SACKED

What else is on his utterly minging record?

Kicking myself massively for not lumping on them to lose today. Would have enjoyed that 94th min winner even more
When I pointed that out before he came to us I was shouted down.

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

When I pointed that out before he came to us I was shouted down.

True. One good season at ICT(after relegating them initially) had a lot of us fooled

[lord bunberry]

True. One good season at ICT(after relegating them initially) had a lot of us fooled
What annoys me most is that after my initial opposition to him getting the job I was totally converted to his way of thinking and I thought he was the right man to take us forward. I remember reading an interview he done with a newspaper from his house in North Berwick that what's posted on the PM forum. I remember saying at the time that no matter what happened we would be alright. In short I fell for his bull****. Shame on me, I should have stuck to my guns :greengrin

[Hermit Crab]

http://www.weareexiles.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=38163

[Alex Trager]

http://www.weareexiles.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=38163

What's that last gadji all about?

Clear sectarianism?
Hahaha
Roaster

[The_Horde]

What's that last gadji all about?

Clear sectarianism?
Hahaha
Roaster

I think his comment is tongue in cheek and a dig to another poster who reckons we only hate butcher because he has played for rangers and has protestant connections.

[Devonhibs]

At least the pennies starting to drop for a lot of them apart from one or two of them in addition to the maroon persuasion also logged in. Interesting to see the Brentford fan having an identical view, I feel sorry for them but as far as El tel, he's a T***.

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

What annoys me most is that after my initial opposition to him getting the job I was totally converted to his way of thinking and I thought he was the right man to take us forward. I remember reading an interview he done with a newspaper from his house in North Berwick that what's posted on the PM forum. I remember saying at the time that no matter what happened we would be alright. In short I fell for his bull****. Shame on me, I should have stuck to my guns :greengrin

Was that interview not done on the morning of the Raith Scottish cup game? I remember reading it but then having serious concerns after that cup game

[tamig]

True. One good season at ICT(after relegating them initially) had a lot of us fooled

Maybe you've just discovered the secret. The plan is obviously to let him take you down then stick with him. Guranteed success in seasons 2 and 3. That was how it kind of went at ICT anyway!

[Bostonhibby]

Maybe you've just discovered the secret. The plan is obviously to let him take you down then stick with him. Guranteed success in seasons 2 and 3. That was how it kind of went at ICT anyway!

:agree: You have to get relegated to get the fear of relegation out the way early on - looking like its going to be a success at Newport as well. He is clearly the man for delivering on this one - will likely be available soon if any other chairmen want to try it.

[Pretty Boy]

Whilst the money I'm making on betting against Newport will never be enough to make me forgive Butcher, it's certainly a welcome source of additional income that is as good as guaranteed.

The man is an utter shambles.

[Iain G]

Genuinly the most abysmal manager that's ever graced the world of football. To save me having to actually Google 'Terry Butcher' can someone fill in the gaps please..

Coventry-SACKED
Sunderland-SACKED
Melbourne-SACKED
ICT-RELEGATED
Motherwell-FINISHED BOTTOM OF THE SPL
Hibs-RELEGATED AND SACKED
Newport-BOTTOM OF LEAGUE 2. SOON TO BE SACKED

What else is on his utterly minging record?

Kicking myself massively for not lumping on them to lose today. Would have enjoyed that 94th min winner even more

Just to be a pedant. It was Sydney not Melbourne.

[FranckSuzy]

Genuinly the most abysmal manager that's ever graced the world of football. To save me having to actually Google 'Terry Butcher' can someone fill in the gaps please..

Coventry-SACKED
Sunderland-SACKED
Melbourne-SACKED
ICT-RELEGATED
Motherwell-FINISHED BOTTOM OF THE SPL
Hibs-RELEGATED AND SACKED
Newport-BOTTOM OF LEAGUE 2. SOON TO BE SACKED

What else is on his utterly minging record?

Kicking myself massively for not lumping on them to lose today. Would have enjoyed that 94th min winner even more

It was Sydney FC but he's still a .... :aok:

[Bostonhibby]

Just to be a pedant. It was Sydney not Melbourne.

He probably got Melbourne relegated as well, without actually needing to be there:wink:

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

Maybe you've just discovered the secret. The plan is obviously to let him take you down then stick with him. Guranteed success in seasons 2 and 3. That was how it kind of went at ICT anyway!

It certainly takes away the fear of letting him take you down I guess [emoji16]

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

Just to be a pedant. It was Sydney not Melbourne.

[emoji106]

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

It was Sydney FC but he's still a .... :aok:

Lucky escape for Melbourne in that case as he would undoubtedly have got them relegated as well. However, it would have taken away the fear of them getting relegated at some point in the future so wouldn't have been a complete disaster for them

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

He probably got Melbourne relegated as well, without actually needing to be there:wink:

Haha. If anyone can, Terry can

[Pretty Boy]

Looking at Butchers record it seems to keep getting new gigs in management the best approach is to stick a bloody bandage on your head and ensure you are constantly referred to as 'former England captain....'

His record, a couple of years at ICT aside, is shocking. I'll admit I was quite enthusiastic based on his wee moment in the sun in Inverness when he rocked up at ER but it didn't take long to realise he was utterly clueless. You can almost understand Newport giving him a job as they have far bigger problems at the moment but if anyone else employs him when he is inevitably axed then they really need their head examined.

[leggeto]

They seem quite happy with him,let's see how they feel at the end of the season

[emerald green]

Frequently on doing his bit of punditry before he landed the Newport job. Rarely hear about his abysmal record. His views aren't questioned. Ex England hero

Yep, ex-England captain, ex-Rangers captain. It virtually means he is bomb-proof.

Had most folk fooled, including me, with his moment in the sun at ICT. Shouldn't his whole managerial record not have been questioned before he got the job at ER? The answer to that question seems pretty obvious now, but why wasn't it done at the time? That's not the fans job to do that of course.

[Eyrie]

Yep, ex-England captain, ex-Rangers captain. It virtually means he is bomb-proof.

Had most folk fooled, including me, with his moment in the sun at ICT. Shouldn't his whole managerial record not have been questioned before he got the job at ER? The answer to that question seems pretty obvious now, but why wasn't it done at the time? That's not the fans job to do that of course.

There were a few on here who did just that, but they were very much a minority and most of us thought we'd made a good move by identifying our preferred option and then making sure we got him. I was as much in favour as anyone :lips seal

Petrie was always willing to back his managers financially but his failing was always an inability to identify the right person. Overlooking Butcher's sustained record of failure prior to his brief success at Inverness is a further example of that. I very much doubt that the Dempster-led regime will make a similar mistake.

[emerald green]

There were a few on here who did just that, but they were very much a minority and most of us thought we'd made a good move by identifying our preferred option and then making sure we got him. I was as much in favour as anyone :lips seal

Petrie was always willing to back his managers financially but his failing was always an inability to identify the right person. Overlooking Butcher's sustained record of failure prior to his brief success at Inverness is a further example of that. I very much doubt that the Dempster-led regime will make a similar mistake.

:agree:

[Alex Trager]

I think his comment is tongue in cheek and a dig to another poster who reckons we only hate butcher because he has played for rangers and has protestant connections.

Fair enough.

[brog]

True. One good season at ICT(after relegating them initially) had a lot of us fooled

I have to admit I got TB completely wrong as I ( in common with most Hibs fans ) was delighted with his appointment. I now agree he's probably our worst ever manager & that's some accolade but I still think your comment's a tad unfair. IIRC ICT were in a parlous position when he took over & he took them back up, went a whole calendar year without losing an away game & re-established ICT in the top division. I think it's fair to just say he's failed everywhere except ICT.

[KeithTheHibby]

Genuinly the most abysmal manager that's ever graced the world of football. To save me having to actually Google 'Terry Butcher' can someone fill in the gaps please..

Coventry-SACKED
Sunderland-SACKED
Melbourne-SACKED
ICT-RELEGATED
Motherwell-FINISHED BOTTOM OF THE SPL
Hibs-RELEGATED AND SACKED
Newport-BOTTOM OF LEAGUE 2. SOON TO BE SACKED

What else is on his utterly minging record?

Kicking myself massively for not lumping on them to lose today. Would have enjoyed that 94th min winner even more


Think he had a nightmare at Brentford too.

[#FromTheCapital]

Odds for next weeks away game to Dag & Red not quite as generous as yesterday. Best I've seen is 5/4 on Sky Bet. Dag & Red have also been fairly poor this season, currently sitting 4th from bottom on 5 points with only one victory from 7 games.
I'll definitely take them on an accumulator, but won't be risking a large sum on them like I did with Morecambe yesterday.

[Stevie Reid]

Was that interview not done on the morning of the Raith Scottish cup game? I remember reading it but then having serious concerns after that cup game

I was sceptical about him due to his overall managerial record, but took solace from the fact that his time at ICT seemed to indicate that he was improving as a manager - in the game in which they beat us 2-0 at ER when he was in charge and shortly to come to us, they were excellent, well organised and played some quick, incisive football. I was hugely encouraged by that. Like many, I was quickly won over by his very positive interviews, and early run of results.

It was after that Raith cup game that I too was first seriously concerned about him, and came on here to raise those concerns - Raith were an average First Division team at the time, and hadn't won a game in 2014 before they played us - they caused us problems from the first minute to the last, and Butcher had no answers, and did nothing to change it.

The rest is history - even before the bottom six fixtures our decline was so inexorable, that relegation was inevitable. Even then, it was still made all the more painful by our victory in the first leg of the play off, and being less than a minute away from staying up. That second leg performance was the most inept and fearful that I have ever seen from a Hibs team - which is really saying something.

[Iain G]

Lucky escape for Melbourne in that case as he would undoubtedly have got them relegated as well. However, it would have taken away the fear of them getting relegated at some point in the future so wouldn't have been a complete disaster for them

You cant actually get relegated from the A League but if anyone could do it, Butcher could!

[Heisenberg]

He actually made me hate football. Horrible man and a horrible football manager. One good season with Inverness but has been a total disaster everywhere he's gone.

[Argylehibby]

Yep, ex-England captain, ex-Rangers captain. It virtually means he is bomb-proof.

Had most folk fooled, including me, with his moment in the sun at ICT. Shouldn't his whole managerial record not have been questioned before he got the job at ER? The answer to that question seems pretty obvious now, but why wasn't it done at the time? That's not the fans job to do that of course.

The fallout on here if he hadn't got the gig at ER would have been unparalleled. If whoever did get it at the time didn't have Turnbull's level of success then all you would have heard on here I would have been "we should have got Butcher, penny pinching, no ambition" etc etc. The pressure on who did get it would have been huge as well. If there was a mistake it was not sacking him before the end of the season and putting McPake / Thomson in charge till end of season then leaving LD to find a replacement. Then again Petrie would be slated for that as well.

[Glory Lurker]

I was very much against his appointment, but that's because I am always right about everything! :na na:

[Alfred E Newman]

The fallout on here if he hadn't got the gig at ER would have been unparalleled. If whoever did get it at the time didn't have Turnbull's level of success then all you would have heard on here I would have been "we should have got Butcher, penny pinching, no ambition" etc etc. The pressure on who did get it would have been huge as well. If there was a mistake it was not sacking him before the end of the season and putting McPake / Thomson in charge till end of season then leaving LD to find a replacement. Then again Petrie would be slated for that as well.

He should have been sacked before the play offs and I said it at the time. We had nothing to lose and it was quite obvious that he had completely lost it. If he had been punted then , I am convinced we would still be in the Premier League. The next big mistake was not punting him immediately after the Hamilton fiasco.

[HoboHarry]

He should have been sacked before the play offs and I said it at the time. We had nothing to lose and it was quite obvious that he had completely lost it. If he had been punted then , I am convinced we would still be in the Premier League. The next big mistake was not punting him immediately after the Hamilton fiasco.
And replaced him with whom at that stage of the season?

[#FromTheCapital]

He should have been sacked before the play offs and I said it at the time. We had nothing to lose and it was quite obvious that he had completely lost it. If he had been punted then , I am convinced we would still be in the Premier League. The next big mistake was not punting him immediately after the Hamilton fiasco.

Easy to say that with the benefit of hindsight. At the time many of us thought he would turn it around if he could build his own squad, a bit like he did at ICT.

[EdinMike]

And to think he gave a speech at Dan McMichaels grave...

[Dr Jimmy]

And replaced him with whom at that stage of the season?

A fence post would have been a better shout than that James hunt!

[Kato]

And replaced him with whom at that stage of the season?

A candy-floss rowing boat.

[Heisenberg]

And replaced him with whom at that stage of the season?

The u20s manager and an experienced player?

[Bostonhibby]

And to think he gave a speech at Dan McMichaels grave...

I Was there and I still feel sick thinking about it.

I was one of the ones who bought into his talk initially so wasn't a surprise to see him there. No problem with his talk or how he conducted himself and thankfully there were plenty real Hibs people there on the day.

[Bostonhibby]

And replaced him with whom at that stage of the season?

How about a nice garden bench?

More tactical nous and the players might have responded better seeing it in the dug out.

[Torto7062]

To be fair I've no problem with Sir Terry as he has been helping me beat the bookies each week 🙌😎😆.


Seriously though......It's better to be a sh**e manager before you become a sh**e manager less is expected of your team that way

[Wilson]

The u20s manager and an experienced player?

As plausible as that sounds with hindsight I'm not sure that it would have went down too well at the time.

[Wilson]

And to think he gave a speech at Dan McMichaels grave...

Surely it would be expected that the hibs manager would say a few words - regardless of who it was? I imagine there would be a lot of questions if he didn't.

[Alfred E Newman]

And replaced him with whom at that stage of the season?

Any two from the playing staff, it couldn't have been any worse than the status quo. Half the players knew well before the play offs that they were being dumped win or lose. The existing squad was more than capable of beating Hamilton over the two legs and hopefully chasing Butcher out the door would have given the players a much needed boost.

[Smartie]

I was sceptical about him due to his overall managerial record, but took solace from the fact that his time at ICT seemed to indicate that he was improving as a manager - in the game in which they beat us 2-0 at ER when he was in charge and shortly to come to us, they were excellent, well organised and played some quick, incisive football. I was hugely encouraged by that. Like many, I was quickly won over by his very positive interviews, and early run of results.

It was after that Raith cup game that I too was first seriously concerned about him, and came on here to raise those concerns - Raith were an average First Division team at the time, and hadn't won a game in 2014 before they played us - they caused us problems from the first minute to the last, and Butcher had no answers, and did nothing to change it.

The rest is history - even before the bottom six fixtures our decline was so inexorable, that relegation was inevitable. Even then, it was still made all the more painful by our victory in the first leg of the play off, and being less than a minute away from staying up. That second leg performance was the most inept and fearful that I have ever seen from a Hibs team - which is really saying something.

I think that that game has clouded much of my thinking too.

More than (it appears) any other Hibs fan I have always been willing to give TB a bit of benefit of the doubt.

That day was the day that the team he had built on a shoestring (albeit via the First Division) comfortably beat the expensive shower of flops that he was soon to inherit. He wasn't ever given much of a chance to improve that squad.

We clearly had problems the day we played Raith and iirc it was after the transfer window had closed so we had no realistic chance to improve what we had.

At that point I knew we were staring down the barrel.

Even in spite of the trials and tribulations Newport now seem to be experiencing (and let's face it - there are mitigating factors there too) I'll take a bit of convincing that our problems began and ended with Butcher and that the crap players, Butcher's utterly inept predecessors and most importantly the clown who appointed them all weren't every bit as culpable, if not more than Butcher himself.

[tamig]

I think that that game has clouded much of my thinking too.

More than (it appears) any other Hibs fan I have always been willing to give TB a bit of benefit of the doubt.

That day was the day that the team he had built on a shoestring (albeit via the First Division) comfortably beat the expensive shower of flops that he was soon to inherit. He wasn't ever given much of a chance to improve that squad.

We clearly had problems the day we played Raith and iirc it was after the transfer window had closed so we had no realistic chance to improve what we had.

At that point I knew we were staring down the barrel.

Even in spite of the trials and tribulations Newport now seem to be experiencing (and let's face it - there are mitigating factors there too) I'll take a bit of convincing that our problems began and ended with Butcher and that the crap players, Butcher's utterly inept predecessors and most importantly the clown who appointed them all weren't every bit as culpable, if not more than Butcher himself.
I think Malpas was in charge for that game when ICT ripped us at ER.

[Smartie]

I think Malpas was in charge for that game when ICT ripped us at ER.

Was it not Jimmy Nicholl?

I remember Butcher being in the stand but I don't remember Malpas starting at Hibs before him.

[Mr White]

Was it not Jimmy Nicholl?

I remember Butcher being in the stand but I don't remember Malpas starting at Hibs before him.

Think about it smartie, think about it :greengrin

[Smartie]

Think about it smartie, think about it :greengrin

FFS

Of course.

:aok:

[tamig]

Was it not Jimmy Nicholl?

I remember Butcher being in the stand but I don't remember Malpas starting at Hibs before him.

Malpas was in charge of ICT. It was while negotiations were underway with Inverness to get Butcher. Nicholl was in charge of us.

*edit - sorry Smartie. Just catching up and see you got it. It was the team that Butcher built (or maybe the goalkeeping coach) but expertly drilled by the sweary assistant that day.

[Tinribs]

Malpas was in charge of ICT. It was while negotiations were underway with Inverness to get Butcher. Nicholl was in charge of us.

*edit - sorry Smartie. Just catching up and see you got it. It was the team that Butcher built (or maybe the goalkeeping coach) but expertly drilled by the sweary assistant that day.


The weird thing about Malpas is he had a good education, the media used to go on about it. Yet his vocabulary was no different to any of the mad bams shouting at him. Just goes to show i guess :greengrin

[Sergey]

The great man has spoken.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34283516


"If we were getting smashed every week there would be no hope, but we are not," said the former England captain.

"That is why I say there is great hope because of the way we are playing and the way we want to continue play our football.

"If we do carry on those same lines and produce the performances the results must come, they have to."

Just you keep eking out hard fought defeats and everything will be hunky-dory, Tel. One solitary point from a possible 21 surely speaks volumes about the performances.

:clown:

[Hiber-nation]

The great man has spoken.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34283516
Just you keep eking out hard fought defeats and everything will be hunky-dory, Tel. One solitary point from a possible 21 surely speaks volumes about the performances.

:clown:

That's now 1 win in 25 league games if you go back to 5 Jan 2014. Surely a new record in managerial ineptness?

[Brightside]

I think that that game has clouded much of my thinking too.

More than (it appears) any other Hibs fan I have always been willing to give TB a bit of benefit of the doubt.

That day was the day that the team he had built on a shoestring (albeit via the First Division) comfortably beat the expensive shower of flops that he was soon to inherit. He wasn't ever given much of a chance to improve that squad.

We clearly had problems the day we played Raith and iirc it was after the transfer window had closed so we had no realistic chance to improve what we had.

At that point I knew we were staring down the barrel.

Even in spite of the trials and tribulations Newport now seem to be experiencing (and let's face it - there are mitigating factors there too) I'll take a bit of convincing that our problems began and ended with Butcher and that the crap players, Butcher's utterly inept predecessors and most importantly the clown who appointed them all weren't every bit as culpable, if not more than Butcher himself.

Butcher is total ********. Have a chat with any of the players involved during his time and you will hear the damage he did.

[bigwheel]

Butcher is total ******** Have a chat with any of the players involved during his time and you will hear the damage he did.

Underscore do you or any other poster have some real stories from his managerial time here - we've all heard the rumours , but I've never actually heard specific examples of how bad a manager he was ....would be interested to hear ..

[Brightside]

"stop trying to pass the king ball, you're a defender"

[jacomo]

The great man has spoken.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/34283516



Just you keep eking out hard fought defeats and everything will be hunky-dory, Tel. One solitary point from a possible 21 surely speaks volumes about the performances.

:clown:

Sounds uncannily like our predicament in Spring 2014, when all we needed was one more win to guarantee safety.

[Northernhibee]

Rumours kicking about on the Newport boards that not all is well in their youth academy.

Sound familiar?

[Northernhibee]

One of their posters wrote "big baz wrote:And our chief scout would rather pick on kids at the academy than do his job"

Who's their chief scout?

EDIT; looks like it's Marsella.

[Smartie]

Butcher is total ******** Have a chat with any of the players involved during his time and you will hear the damage he did.

I could well believe it.

Not sure I would want to take the word of any of those players though - the players who were part of the dressing room lost by Fenlon, necessitating his departure and the appointment of Butcher.

3 players from that time can hold their head high imo and I expect them all to start for Hibernian tomorrow. And at the time Butcher was here one was a kid playing his first season and the other was injured for much of his tenure.

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

Is the 2-1 new year Derby at ER back in Jan 14 his last league win? Utterly staggering if so

[Boyle89]

Is the 2-1 new year Derby at ER back in Jan 14 his last league win? Utterly staggering if so

We beat Ross county 2-1 in February but that was our last win that season and maybe even our last point?!
Will never forget being 1-0 down to killie at home in one of the final games and still had 4 at the back marking Boyd with 10mins to go!!

[Forza Fred]

Sorry, but dunno how to post the link....but the South Wales Argus has a piece from a few days ago, pleading for the Newport fans NOT to call for his head, just yet...Butcher is described as 'devastated' over a recent loss.

One would have thought he was inured against such feelings, given his history.

[#FromTheCapital]

0-0 Draw today against the mighty Dag & Red. The fear of winning still haunting El Tel.

[NadeAteMyLunch!]

We beat Ross county 2-1 in February but that was our last win that season and maybe even our last point?!
Will never forget being 1-0 down to killie at home in one of the final games and still had 4 at the back marking Boyd with 10mins to go!!

So we did. Stanton and Taiwo scored. Still, brutal that he's not won a game since then. We got at least one more point, 1-1 at home vs Partick.
That Killie game was last game of the season. Must win game then we gifted Boyd a first half goal. Was curtains after that

[iwasthere1972]

We beat Ross county 2-1 in February but that was our last win that season and maybe even our last point?!
Will never forget being 1-0 down to killie at home in one of the final games and still had 4 at the back marking Boyd with 10mins to go!!

After that game I think we managed 4 points (4 draws) out of the remaining 40 points.

[Boyle89]

After that game I think we managed 4 points (4 draws) out of the remaining 40 points.

We got that many points after that?!! Not disputing it I just cannot remember it. Maybe I'm blocking it out.

[iwasthere1972]

We got that many points after that?!! Not disputing it I just cannot remember it. Maybe I'm blocking it out.

Well you're better blocking it out early on as it takes away the fear of remembering it later on.

[21.05.2016]

An absolute impostor who lived on his England playing days for to long. He's now been well and truly found out for what he is.

If he gets Newport relegated that will be 4 teams that he's gotten relegated whilst managing.

[Iggy Pope]

I could well believe it.

Not sure I would want to take the word of any of those players though - the players who were part of the dressing room lost by Fenlon, necessitating his departure and the appointment of Butcher.

3 players from that time can hold their head high imo and I expect them all to start for Hibernian tomorrow. And at the time Butcher was here one was a kid playing his first season and the other was injured for much of his tenure.

Hanlon, Cummings and Stevenson presumably. But not Sam Stanton? Last quarter of the season he was fighting to keep us up single-handed.

[Smartie]

Hanlon, Cummings and Stevenson presumably. But not Sam Stanton? Last quarter of the season he was fighting to keep us up single-handed.

I forgot about Sam.

Fair point, he's off the hook too.

Shame he's struggled to shine in a better team with better players around him that plays a style of football that suits his strengths better.

[Iggy Pope]

I forgot about Sam.

Fair point, he's off the hook too.

Shame he's struggled to shine in a better team with better players around him that plays a style of football that suits his strengths better.

Have to agree. I think the failure of that season affected the boy more than most.

[Bostonhibby]

0-0 Draw today against the mighty Dag & Red. The fear of winning still haunting El Tel.
A fear of not winning money today meant that I ignored the daggers. Tel will be talking up the point gained so business as usual next game!

[jodjam]

Underscore do you or any other poster have some real stories from his managerial time here - we've all heard the rumours , but I've never actually heard specific examples of how bad a manager he was ....would be interested to hear ..

One story was shortly before the team took to the field asking one of the players to tell the rest of the team all about his favourite book. Presumably to calm nerves but just showed what an inept clown he was.

[Off the bar]

Being the only league team in the UK without a win this season takes away the fear of being the only league team in the UK without a win this season.
Useless fud.

[#FromTheCapital]

Carlisle almost even money to pump butchers boys at home next week if anyone's looking to turn a £10 note into a £20 note. I'll probably go a bit further than that though, free money again.

[dangermouse]

Underscore do you or any other poster have some real stories from his managerial time here - we've all heard the rumours , but I've never actually heard specific examples of how bad a manager he was ....would be interested to hear ..

One of our players happened by chance to see one of the teams for the club I help out at. He commented on the passing style of football being played. I said it was better than what we had to suffer week in week out at ER and his reply was he wished somebody should tell his manager.

[Bostonhibby]

Carlisle almost even money to pump butchers boys at home next week if anyone's looking to turn a £10 note into a £20 note. I'll probably go a bit further than that though, free money again.

They seem to score a few as well - might be the kiss of death but it's hard not to keep the show on the road by backing Carlisle to win at around 4/5 or even money which might be generous.

[Bad Martini]

I canny believe after however many games he's not back in the garden, tending to the daffodils and pansies :greengrin

Ohhhh the poor sods for signing him.

He has the reverse midas touch and then some...:greengrin

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

They seem to score a few as well - might be the kiss of death but it's hard not to keep the show on the road by backing Carlisle to win at around 4/5 or even money which might be generous.

IIRC their goals F & A both stand at 17 after 8 league games, Carlisle BTTS may be the way to go.

[Sergey]

IIRC their goals F & A both stand at 17 after 8 league games, Carlisle BTTS may be the way to go.

I wouldn't go steaming into that, Hutch. Newport County haven't scored an away goal in over 360 minutes of league football this season.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

I wouldn't go steaming into that, Hutch. Newport County haven't scored an away goal in over 360 minutes of league football this season.

Just trying to eke out a wee bit better odds, a baw hair under 5/2 just now.

[Bostonhibby]

IIRC their goals F & A both stand at 17 after 8 league games, Carlisle BTTS may be the way to go.

Its one of those has to happen sometime moments I agree, am waiting a bit but thinking Carlisle to win regardless but with a smaller bet on -1 in the handicap.

[NAE NOOKIE]

I canny believe after however many games he's not back in the garden, tending to the daffodils and pansies :greengrin

Ohhhh the poor sods for signing him.

He has the reverse midas touch and then some...:greengrin

His misses had the floors coming along nicely, but then Tel went on gardening leave :greengrin

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Its one of those has to happen sometime moments I agree, am waiting a bit but thinking Carlisle to win regardless but with a smaller bet on -1 in the handicap.

I've got a strange feeling Newport will score so Belinda would have to score at least three, HT-FT might be the way forward for the home side.

[Sir David Gray]

Newport 2-0 down at home to Crawley so far.

Looks like failing to win two games in a row as a manager for the first time in nearly two years will take away the fear of winning two games in a row for the first time in nearly two years.

[Sir David Gray]

Make that 3-0.

[bigwheel]

Make that 3-0.

Is it so wrong that I get pleasure out of that news ??

[Hibbyradge]

Newport 2-0 down at home to Crawley so far.

Looks like failing to win two games in a row as a manager for the first time in nearly two years will take away the fear of winning two games in a row for the first time in nearly two years.

It's complex psychology for sure, but surely it takes away the fear of not winning two games in a row for 2 years?

I should leave these things to the experts, like T Butcher PhD.

[Sir David Gray]

It's complex psychology for sure, but surely it takes away the fear of not winning two games in a row for 2 years?

I should leave these things to the experts, like T Butcher PhD.

Yep true, apologies. :aok:

[weecounty hibby]

It's complex psychology for sure, but surely it takes away the fear of not winning two games in a row for 2 years?

I should leave these things to the experts, like T Butcher PhD.
That should read T Butcher PhuD!!

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Never got involved tonight, good prices available on basically everything for folk that took the plunge tonight. :-)

[Northernhibee]

http://www.weareexiles.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=38520&sid=de3d6de8ad31bf2e2e760b6f7aace4b2

Ohhhhhhhh dear :thumbsup:

[Sir David Gray]

http://www.weareexiles.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=38520&sid=de3d6de8ad31bf2e2e760b6f7aace4b2

Ohhhhhhhh dear :thumbsup:

Surprised it's taken them this long to come to that conclusion.

[The_Horde]

http://www.weareexiles.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=38520&sid=de3d6de8ad31bf2e2e760b6f7aace4b2

Ohhhhhhhh dear :thumbsup:

Actually brings back some terrible memories. Feel for them.

[1875STEVE]

Actually brings back some terrible memories. Feel for them.

I don't, having read some of the comments about Hibs on that messageboard. :na na:

[Boyle89]

3 threads on wanting him to leave but nobody has made any mention of us yet or how we warned them.

[Sergey]

They (Newport) have a hellish set of fixtures coming up in October, too.

There does look to be some dross in that division, but they were soundly beaten tonight by a team that would tick the 'dross' tag.

I've been out the country today and didn't have a punt on their opponents tonight. Anyone know what price Crawley were?

[James70]

He's King Midas with a curse, he's King Midas in reverse! Looks like he'll be spending a lot more time in his garden at Newport's expense.

[Northernhibee]

An ITK Newport poster has said that TB reads their forums :hyper

[LancsHibs]

http://www.weareexiles.net/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=38520&sid=de3d6de8ad31bf2e2e760b6f7aace4b2

Ohhhhhhhh dear :thumbsup:

Ha ha ha I am so glad Butcher has been shown up again to be the clueless idiot he so clearly is! GIRUY to the Newport fans who rounded on the Hibbys who were just letting them know what they were in for at the start of the season. Reap it lads:greengrin

[Hibee_Craig7062]

They (Newport) have a hellish set of fixtures coming up in October, too.

There does look to be some dross in that division, but they were soundly beaten tonight by a team that would tick the 'dross' tag.

I've been out the country today and didn't have a punt on their opponents tonight. Anyone know what price Crawley were?

Almost 3/1 with bet 365

[HappyHanlon]

Exeter are 17/10 to beat them on Saturday.

Fill yer boots :agree::agree::agree:

[IanM]

From their forum:

Just read what TB said to the BBC about his players after last nights shambles.

Totally lost respect for a man I used to idolised as a kid for his never say die attitude as a player .
What a backstabbing #### .
Stand in front of a mirror Terry and look at yourself before blaming them. What did you do wrong and sort that out first before blaming others for your failings

Newport County manager Terry Butcher told BBC Radio Wales:


"I don't know if we actually left the team we played at Carlisle up the M6
and brought home a load of strangers because that's how we played.

"It's bitterly disappointing to put on a performance like that in front of
our own fans because a lot of them have been away and seen us play and seen the
resilience and toughness.

"That certainly wasn't there tonight but fair play to Crawley, they've
dominated the game and it could have been more than three

[Smartie]

From their forum:

Just read what TB said to the BBC about his players after last nights shambles.

Totally lost respect for a man I used to idolised as a kid for his never say die attitude as a player .
What a backstabbing #### .
Stand in front of a mirror Terry and look at yourself before blaming them. What did you do wrong and sort that out first before blaming others for your failings

Newport County manager Terry Butcher told BBC Radio Wales:


"I don't know if we actually left the team we played at Carlisle up the M6
and brought home a load of strangers because that's how we played.

"It's bitterly disappointing to put on a performance like that in front of
our own fans because a lot of them have been away and seen us play and seen the
resilience and toughness.

"That certainly wasn't there tonight but fair play to Crawley, they've
dominated the game and it could have been more than three

I don't think there's anything wrong with what he said there.

(By all accounts) they played well in an away win at the weekend then they were very poor last night.

I quite like it when a manager tells it as it is. If they were that poor, he should say that they were that poor.

He's not singling anyone out for personal criticism.

He can't tell the fans that it is anything other than poor when they've seen with their own eyes how poor it has been.

[Heisenberg]

He's apparently been sacked. Another club he's failed at. ***** manager and a horrible man.

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/10/01/butcher-axed-by-newport

[Peevemor]

He's apparently been sacked. Another club he's failed at. ***** manager and a horrible man.

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/10/01/butcher-axed-by-newport

Well at least that'll remove his fear of being sacked.

[Sergey]

He's apparently been sacked. Another club he's failed at. ***** manager and a horrible man.

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/10/01/butcher-axed-by-newport

I thought that Newport County couldn't afford to sack him as they don't have a pot to piss in.

There'll be a few on here (who have lined our pockets) that will be sorry to see him gone.

[crewetollhibee]

He'll be back on Talksport or Sky Sports soon enough, quite pathetic really.

[Jim44]

Surely the guy must realise that management is not for him. What surprises me is why the hangers on, like Masalla, stay with him through thick and thin. Have they no pride?

[pacorosssco]

Surely the guy must realise that management is not for him. What surprises me is why the hangers on, like Masalla, stay with him through thick and thin. Have they no pride? Cash is King. Where else would Masalla earn a overpriced wage. Foootball like very other business. Pride integrity will only see you on dole. I still dont understand how Butcher made success ICT. Must be the club model . Made a mess everywhere else.

[#FromTheCapital]

He's apparently been sacked. Another club he's failed at. ***** manager and a horrible man.

http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/10/01/butcher-axed-by-newport

I'd take that with a pinch of salt to be honest. Nothing official yet and Newport are apparently in dire straits financially. They'd need to pay him for the rest of his two year contract or come to an agreement with him.

[Heisenberg]

I'd take that with a pinch of salt to be honest. Nothing official yet and Newport are apparently in dire straits financially. They'd need to pay him for the rest of his two year contract or come to an agreement with him.

Yeah looks like nothing official has been announced.

[grunt]

Yeah looks like nothing official has been announced.Not official perhaps, but tweeted by the Record

The Daily Record ‏@Daily_Record 6m6 minutes ago (https://twitter.com/Daily_Record/status/649595896309653504) Terry Butcher SACKED by Newport just 10 games into the League Two season http://dlyr.ec/PnD2Jz (http://t.co/St7KzkpAQU)

[Sergey]

It's confirmed that he's been canned.

http://www.newport-county.co.uk/news/article/club-statement-2721787.aspx?

[Heisenberg]

@NewportCounty: BREAKING NEWS: Newport County AFC part company with Terry Butcher http://t.co/OVgwUQDwyz

Official now. At least Newport have a chance to fix his mess before relegation.

[bod]

maybe fancies the motherwell or united job

[The_Todd]

I don't, having read some of the comments about Hibs on that messageboard. :na na:

Let's be fair, Hibs fans started going onto that messageboard purely to stir. What do you think would have happened in a reverse scenario?

[Baldy Foghorn]

maybe fancies the motherwell or united job

He might get both gigs, he is multi talented...........

[Bostonhibby]

@NewportCounty: BREAKING NEWS: Newport County AFC part company with Terry Butcher http://t.co/OVgwUQDwyz

Official now. At least Newport have a chance to fix his mess before relegation.

:grr: How could they - I have just used my Paddy Power freebet on Exeter - surely it will take Newport a similar length of time to recover from his mess as we did.

[Bostonhibby]

He might get both gigs, he is multi talented...........

:agree: Erse and a prick at the same time.

[Baldy Foghorn]

:agree: Erse and a prick at the same time.

Hope you are referring to TB Boston:greengrin

[Bostonhibby]

Hope you are referring to TB Boston:greengrin

:faf: Indeed, he's the only one being discussed who comfortably meets the description :aok:

[Hibbyradge]

He'll be looking at the positives in this, because that's how he rolls.

Today's events have, very effectively, removed the fear of getting sacked by Newport.

[Bostonhibby]

He'll be looking at the positives in this, because that's how he rolls.

Today's events have, very effectively, removed the fear of getting sacked by Newport.

It's got to be a bit of a sickener that he never managed to get them relegated though - has this effectively ended a 100% record?

Admittedly he has laid some good foundations to deliver it.

[matty_f]

He'll be looking at the positives in this, because that's how he rolls.

Today's events have, very effectively, removed the fear of getting sacked by Newport.

Also, his grass was needing cut.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

Good luck to Newport in the future.

[#FromTheCapital]

Well done Newport for seeing sense, all the best to them for the future. Surely that's it for Butchers managerial career.

[lucky]

Hopefully this will be his last job in football

[Bostonhibby]

Well done Newport for seeing sense, all the best to them for the future. Surely that's it for Butchers managerial career.

Hear hear, want them to recover and do well right after the Exeter game,

Maybe they will join us in sharing our experiences with the fans of wherever else he pops up.

[SmashinGlass]

Ah well, having Newport as a banker on my weekly coupon didn't last long :rolleyes:

[emerald green]

If only Hibs had sacked the clown before they did, and still had a chance to avoid relegation.

I still can't get over the fact Hibs only needed to win one game to avoid the play-off and couldn't do it under Butcher's "leadership".

[MJN1875]

Glad he's been sacked, joke of a man, even bigger joke of a manager.

[PISTOL1875]

If only Hibs had sacked the clown before they did, and still had a chance to avoid relegation.

I still can't get over the fact Hibs only needed to win one game to avoid the play-off and couldn't do it under Butcher's "leadership".

If you really think about it , all we needed was a goal.. A point against Killie would have kept us up

[weecounty hibby]

He should never work in football again, and I mean as a commentator, pundit, or whatever. He must have the worst managerial record of anyone anywhere. I can't believe that I was sucked in by that complete charlatan.

[emerald green]

If you really think about it , all we needed was a goal.. A point against Killie would have kept us up

Yep, it was just completely ridiculous, and very very costly for our club. Bizarre even, FFS.:grr:

[theonlywayisup]

He must be now the worst football manager based on his managerial record.

[lord bunberry]

I hope Newport go on a massive winning run and get promoted.

[Sir David Gray]

Newport have had a lucky escape.

Unlike us, they now have seven months to recover from the Terry Butcher experience. I think they'll be certainties to stay up now.

[theonlywayisup]

His win rate as a manager is:

Coventry 33%
Sunderland 30%
Motherwell 34%
Sydney 39%
Brentford 22%
ICT 41%
Hibernian 21%
Newport 8%

Butcher for England, I say!!

[Billy Whizz]

His win rate as a manager is:

Coventry 33%
Sunderland 30%
Motherwell 34%
Sydney 39%
Brentford 22%
ICT 41%
Hibernian 21%
Newport 8%

Butcher for England, I say!!

Did the Hibs board not look at these stats before hiring him? The lot of them should have been emptied for employing him

[Leith Green]

The scary thing was the clamour amongst our supporters at the time to appoint him. He failed miserably at every club bar inverness before hibs.. Total long ball merchant whose methods and man management would look odd at sunday league level

[FitbaFolkKen]

Did the Hibs board not look at these stats before hiring him? The lot of them should have been emptied for employing him

In fairness his record compares favourably with how some performed when in charge of us! The majority of fans, myself included, thought he would have done well. I suppose the board were thinking that lessons had been learned from the earlier jobs and that had resulted in performing well with ICT and they were expecting him to continue to develop. Definitely wrong!

What amazes me about these stats is the number of managers that have lost more games than they have won. Doesn't look like we were that bad under Miller and Williamson when you compare it to Duffy, Calderwood and Butcher(can't bring myself to mention Le God here).

Played Won Drawn Lost and Win%

Alan Stubbs England 24 June 2014 Present 37 21 7 9 56.76
Terry Butcher England 12 November 2013 10 June 2014 29 6 8 15 20.69
Pat Fenlon Ireland 27 November 2011 1 November 2013 87 31 19 37 35.63
Colin Calderwood Scotland 18 October 2010 6 November 2011 49 12 11 26 24.49
John Hughes Scotland 8 June 2009 4 October 2010 54 19 12 23 35.19
Mixu Paatelainen Finland 10 January 2008 29 May 2009 62 19 18 25 30.65
John Collins Scotland 31 October 2006 20 December 2007 54 23 15 16 42.59
Tony Mowbray England 24 May 2004 13 October 2006 108 52 16 40 48.15
Bobby Williamson Scotland 25 February 2002 20 April 2004 93 34 21 38 36.56
Franck Sauzée France 14 December 2001 21 February 2002 15 1 6 8 6.67
Alex McLeish Scotland 11 February 1998 11 December 2001 164 77 42 45 46.95
Jim Duffy Scotland 30 December 1996 3 February 1998 48 10 15 23 20.83
Alex Miller Scotland 15 November 1986 30 August 1996 453 158 140 155 34.88
John Blackley Scotland October 1984 November 1986 98 32 18 48 32.65
Pat Stanton Scotland September 1982 September 1984 91 25 26 40 27.47
Bertie Auld Scotland November 1980 September 1982 78 30 27 21 38.46

[MJN1875]

The scary thing was the clamour amongst our supporters at the time to appoint him. He failed miserably at every club bar inverness before hibs.. Total long ball merchant whose methods and man management would look odd at sunday league level

I never understood why everyone thought he was a good appointment. Someone like him shouldn't be anywhere near hibs. Billy brown is another one who shouldn't be near hibs in any kind of shape or form. Anyone with big links to hearts or the Huns shouldn't be anywhere near our club end of.

My school manager was a tactical genius compared to butcher and I'm not even joking.

As I said before disgrace of a man and as a manager.

Total **** imo.

[Jim44]

Did the Hibs board not look at these stats before hiring him? The lot of them should have been emptied for employing him

To be fair there was a huge pro-Butcher lobby among the fans. I think most thought that he had turned the corner with a successful ICT side.

[Billy Whizz]

To be fair there was a huge pro-Butcher lobby among the fans. I think most thought that he had turned the corner with a successful ICT side.

Think there may have been. Not just saying it now, he was never my choice and I don't think we went through any interview process, other than we went for him. Not many top jobs come up where only one person is the only choice

[Leith Green]

To be fair there was a huge pro-Butcher lobby among the fans. I think most thought that he had turned the corner with a successful ICT side.


Im not one to stick up for those in charge at board level especially before dempster joined us. It has to be said however, the board were on a bit of a hiding to nothing with Butcher.. Fans were calling for him, if they had appointed someone else and he failed then they get flak, if he comes in and fails its their fault, if he does well then he was the obvious choice..

[Baldy Foghorn]

I take the blame, said on SKY interview that I thought TB was obvious choice, and how wrong I was.......

[silverhibee]

I hope Newport go on a massive winning run and get promoted.

Obviously after Exeter pump them on Saturday. :greengrin

[Billy Whizz]

I take the blame, said on SKY interview that I thought TB was obvious choice, and how wrong I was.......

Stick to running buses in my opinion....
And you say I can talk😀

[Baldy Foghorn]

Stick to running buses in my opinion....
And you say I can talk

I did say in same interview that RP was past his sell by date, and he is still here....No more interviews from me......

[3pm]

I did say in same interview that RP was past his sell by date, and he is still here....No more interviews from me......

Next time yer on, make sure you say 'we'll never win the Scottish Cup'.

[Baldy Foghorn]

Next time yer on, make sure you say 'we'll never win the Scottish Cup'.

:greengrin

[Billy Whizz]

I did say in same interview that RP was past his sell by date, and he is still here....No more interviews from me......

At least you said something right, Rod still with us, don't want to go there though

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Getting sacked early can be a good thing as it takes away the fear of being sacked later.

[Winston Ingram]

He must be now the worst football manager based on his managerial record.

It's astonishing he's had so many jobs. ****in delighted he's been canned.

I've been looking on their forum and surprise surprise there are rumours of bullying the younger players. Who'd have thought it?

Genuinely hope Butcher and his cronies are never allowed near a football club again.

[majorhibs]

In fairness his record compares favourably with how some performed when in charge of us! The majority of fans, myself included, thought he would have done well. I suppose the board were thinking that lessons had been learned from the earlier jobs and that had resulted in performing well with ICT and they were expecting him to continue to develop. Definitely wrong!

What amazes me about these stats is the number of managers that have lost more games than they have won. Doesn't look like we were that bad under Miller and Williamson when you compare it to Duffy, Calderwood and Butcher(can't bring myself to mention Le God here).

Played Won Drawn Lost and Win%

Alan Stubbs England 24 June 2014 Present 37 21 7 9 56.76
Terry Butcher England 12 November 2013 10 June 2014 29 6 8 15 20.69
Pat Fenlon Ireland 27 November 2011 1 November 2013 87 31 19 37 35.63
Colin Calderwood Scotland 18 October 2010 6 November 2011 49 12 11 26 24.49
John Hughes Scotland 8 June 2009 4 October 2010 54 19 12 23 35.19
Mixu Paatelainen Finland 10 January 2008 29 May 2009 62 19 18 25 30.65
John Collins Scotland 31 October 2006 20 December 2007 54 23 15 16 42.59
Tony Mowbray England 24 May 2004 13 October 2006 108 52 16 40 48.15
Bobby Williamson Scotland 25 February 2002 20 April 2004 93 34 21 38 36.56
Franck Sauzée France 14 December 2001 21 February 2002 15 1 6 8 6.67
Alex McLeish Scotland 11 February 1998 11 December 2001 164 77 42 45 46.95
Jim Duffy Scotland 30 December 1996 3 February 1998 48 10 15 23 20.83
Alex Miller Scotland 15 November 1986 30 August 1996 453 158 140 155 34.88
John Blackley Scotland October 1984 November 1986 98 32 18 48 32.65
Pat Stanton Scotland September 1982 September 1984 91 25 26 40 27.47
Bertie Auld Scotland November 1980 September 1982 78 30 27 21 38.46

Royal "we" . Statistics? Stop it. Butcher clown! Not all fans "wanted" said clown. Not all fans constantly revisiting. A result against hertz bought him time like duffy but clowns are clowns & if you or anyone else liked them bully for you but about time "the majority" story was put to bed. Cos some fell for it they want everyone there? Nah!

[Ryan69]

Surely the guy must realise that management is not for him. What surprises me is why the hangers on, like Masalla, stay with him through thick and thin. Have they no pride?

Coaches you come across....are in shape!

Is Marsella in shape? Thats why he hangs along....Its an easy ride for him. pay off after pay off.

Is Malpas still part of the dream team?

[California-Hibs]

Delighted he's been sacked. Wish him nothing but the worst in his footballing life. An absolute car crash of a manager!!

[Libby Hibby]

Could someone tell me if he has relegated every team he has managed?

[Pete]

I'm one of the ones who was delighted when he took charge of us and hoped he could emulate what he did at Inverness.

I also said it would be interesting to see how he would get on in his next appointment but it appears that results had become so bad that he would never be given the time that I thought would be fair. Maybe his previous disaster at our club had an effect on the players and once one bad thing happened the roof had already started to cave in.

I really don't see the point of this any more and any more bitterness is unnecessary. The point has been proven and I hope that people aren't going to follow this man around and troll people with his past misdemeanours. I couldn't care less if his next job is with Ajax or Hutchison vale, he's a non entity who is part of our past.

Time to make like Noel: Don't look back in anger.

[Colr]

I hope Newport go on a massive winning run and get promoted.

Wish we had.

From BBC

The 56-year-old had to rebuild a squad with just four first-team players remaining under contract last summer

Sounds familiar.

[Onion]

Delighted he's been sacked. Wish him nothing but the worst in his footballing life. An absolute car crash of a manager!!

Can't blame Butcher for his incompetence, it's not as if he doesn't do his best or give 100%. IMO any blame for the carnage he caused at Hibs and his other ports of call should be aimed squarely at those that employed him.

In saying that, maybe time Butcher himself realised he's incompetent and stop applying for jobs.

[BoomtownHibees]

Can't blame Butcher for his incompetence

Eh yes you can. And I do solely blame him for what happened to my club when he was manager

[hibbysam]

Can't blame Butcher for his incompetence, it's not as if he doesn't do his best or give 100%. IMO any blame for the carnage he caused at Hibs and his other ports of call should be aimed squarely at those that employed him.

In saying that, maybe time Butcher himself realised he's incompetent and stop applying for jobs.

Ok Maurice Malpas!

Hibs being in the position we are today is 100% down to Butcher! Petrie may have started us on a downward spiral but he never had any control in us winning once in god knows how long!

[Boyle89]

Woosh!

[GreenOnions]

Can't blame Butcher for his incompetence, it's not as if he doesn't do his best or give 100%. IMO any blame for the carnage he caused at Hibs and his other ports of call should be aimed squarely at those that employed him.

In saying that, maybe time Butcher himself realised he's incompetent and stop applying for jobs.

Probably the majority of Hibs fans to blame then as well as most of us were keen to get Butcher :-/

[lord bunberry]

I think what people are forgetting here is that Butcher has been up against some mediocre teams with mediocre managers, which makes the great man out of his depth

[Eyrie]

I think what people are forgetting here is that Butcher has been up against some mediocre teams with mediocre managers, which makes the great man out of his depth

Butcher would be out of his depth in a paddling pool.

[majorhibs]

Probably the majority of Hibs fans to blame then as well as most of us were keen to get Butcher :-/

So, you were THINKING for the majority of Hibs fans when he was appointed, as well as speaking for the majority now? Correct? Your "most of us" there... you & some others wi your guilty conscience could do others a favour & stop trying to make YOUR error a collective error.. sorry SOME of you were wrong but if you want to fall on your sword fair enough but kinda quit on the "majority of us" slavers unless you can really prove it. He was touted couple of years previous & I & plenty others didn't want him then or when he was appointed. & didn't like who was appointing him or the previous imposters either. But now I am sounding like you, using the royal "we" speaking for yourself is where it's at!

[Velma Dinkley]

So, you were THINKING for the majority of Hibs fans when he was appointed, as well as speaking for the majority now? Correct? Your "most of us" there... you & some others wi your guilty conscience could do others a favour & stop trying to make YOUR error a collective error.. sorry SOME of you were wrong but if you want to fall on your sword fair enough but kinda quit on the "majority of us" slavers unless you can really prove it. He was touted couple of years previous & I & plenty others didn't want him then or when he was appointed. & didn't like who was appointing him or the previous imposters either. But now I am sounding like you, using the royal "we" speaking for yourself is where it's at!

IT clearly was THE majority, THOUGH. CORRECT?

[majorhibs]

IT clearly was THE majority, THOUGH. CORRECT?

Without being privy to mystic megs machinations, I cannae really answer that. But you, being the clairvoyant seer that you obviously are, can. So, tell me, how long does it take for you, & the "majority" of Butcher lovers to get over it? Or mebbes, with a wee bit hindsight, to look at it without Fenlon/Calderwood spectacles & remember that at the time we were retty desperate due to what we had been watching for years. IMO in regards to this I am fully justified in giving it a "PETRIE" cos it was him, financial genius & infrastructure builder but fitba buffoon, who was completely to blame. Just please try to for once realise that not ALL Hibs fans wanted butcher appointed, just cos YOU & a few others did. We wanted something, anything, wanted a lift, but to say "WE" all wanted that isnae really quite the whole truth.

[mca]

Without being privy to mystic megs machinations, I cannae really answer that. But you, being the clairvoyant seer that you obviously are, can. So, tell me, how long does it take for you, & the "majority" of Butcher lovers to get over it? Or mebbes, with a wee bit hindsight, to look at it without Fenlon/Calderwood spectacles & remember that at the time we were retty desperate due to what we had been watching for years. IMO in regards to this I am fully justified in giving it a "PETRIE" cos it was him, financial genius & infrastructure builder but fitba buffoon, who was completely to blame. Just please try to for once realise that not ALL Hibs fans wanted butcher appointed, just cos YOU & a few others did. We wanted something, anything, wanted a lift, but to say "WE" all wanted that isnae really quite the whole truth.


Spot on... Butcher was Left with some Keech !!!!

HeTurned Keech into*****e

[Velma Dinkley]

Without being privy to mystic megs machinations, I cannae really answer that. But you, being the clairvoyant seer that you obviously are, can. So, tell me, how long does it take for you, & the "majority" of Butcher lovers to get over it? Or mebbes, with a wee bit hindsight, to look at it without Fenlon/Calderwood spectacles & remember that at the time we were retty desperate due to what we had been watching for years. IMO in regards to this I am fully justified in giving it a "PETRIE" cos it was him, financial genius & infrastructure builder but fitba buffoon, who was completely to blame. Just please try to for once realise that not ALL Hibs fans wanted butcher appointed, just cos YOU & a few others did. We wanted something, anything, wanted a lift, but to say "WE" all wanted that isnae really quite the whole truth.

You seem very confused. I certainly have no idea what you're on about lol

[Dav1986]

Without being privy to mystic megs machinations, I cannae really answer that. But you, being the clairvoyant seer that you obviously are, can. So, tell me, how long does it take for you, & the "majority" of Butcher lovers to get over it? Or mebbes, with a wee bit hindsight, to look at it without Fenlon/Calderwood spectacles & remember that at the time we were retty desperate due to what we had been watching for years. IMO in regards to this I am fully justified in giving it a "PETRIE" cos it was him, financial genius & infrastructure builder but fitba buffoon, who was completely to blame. Just please try to for once realise that not ALL Hibs fans wanted butcher appointed, just cos YOU & a few others did. We wanted something, anything, wanted a lift, but to say "WE" all wanted that isnae really quite the whole truth.

I certainly remember more positive posts on here regarding his appointment compared to the detractors. Now if we were to assume that this messageboard is a decent cross section of the our support, then you could argue that yes, the majority of our support were happy with the appointment at the time. Nobody has said that all of us wanted him. Quite why you're getting your knickers in a twist over this 'royal we' p1sh I don't really know :dunno:

[Liberal Hibby]

In fairness his record compares favourably with how some performed when in charge of us! The majority of fans, myself included, thought he would have done well. I suppose the board were thinking that lessons had been learned from the earlier jobs and that had resulted in performing well with ICT and they were expecting him to continue to develop. Definitely wrong!

What amazes me about these stats is the number of managers that have lost more games than they have won. Doesn't look like we were that bad under Miller and Williamson when you compare it to Duffy, Calderwood and Butcher(can't bring myself to mention Le God here).

Played Won Drawn Lost and Win%

Alan Stubbs England 24 June 2014 Present 37 21 7 9 56.76
Terry Butcher England 12 November 2013 10 June 2014 29 6 8 15 20.69
Pat Fenlon Ireland 27 November 2011 1 November 2013 87 31 19 37 35.63
Colin Calderwood Scotland 18 October 2010 6 November 2011 49 12 11 26 24.49
John Hughes Scotland 8 June 2009 4 October 2010 54 19 12 23 35.19
Mixu Paatelainen Finland 10 January 2008 29 May 2009 62 19 18 25 30.65
John Collins Scotland 31 October 2006 20 December 2007 54 23 15 16 42.59
Tony Mowbray England 24 May 2004 13 October 2006 108 52 16 40 48.15
Bobby Williamson Scotland 25 February 2002 20 April 2004 93 34 21 38 36.56
Franck Sauzée France 14 December 2001 21 February 2002 15 1 6 8 6.67
Alex McLeish Scotland 11 February 1998 11 December 2001 164 77 42 45 46.95
Jim Duffy Scotland 30 December 1996 3 February 1998 48 10 15 23 20.83
Alex Miller Scotland 15 November 1986 30 August 1996 453 158 140 155 34.88
John Blackley Scotland October 1984 November 1986 98 32 18 48 32.65
Pat Stanton Scotland September 1982 September 1984 91 25 26 40 27.47
Bertie Auld Scotland November 1980 September 1982 78 30 27 21 38.46

Interesting that Fenlon who some on here reckon would have taken us down has a better win ratio than Mixu or Yogi...

[Thecat23]

Interesting that Fenlon who some on here reckon would have taken us down has a better win ratio than Mixu or Yogi...

Don't think Fenlon would have taken us down. But he did need to leave and he knew it as well as everyone who watched us! As I've said if it meant dropping down to reshape the whole club fine. We were a rudderless ship for too long and needed a shake up!

[Smartie]

Interesting that Fenlon who some on here reckon would have taken us down has a better win ratio than Mixu or Yogi...

Fenlon's biggest achievement was what he managed to get out of Leigh Griffiths who imo owes him a lot. Getting as much as he did out of Griffiths got him an awful lot of those wins. (Not a criticism or an attempt to belittle Fenlon here - he genuinely did well in his management of this player).

I don't think Fenlon had a clue what to do to score goals without Griffiths.

In his last season Fenlon had signed Rowan Vine and James Collins to get us the goals. He only had Cairney and Harris who could play wide, who both got injured early in the season. His defence was ok and he had hundreds of decent central midfielders.

People can point to win percentages all they want but Fenlon's win percentage statistic was only ever going to get worse with those players and his totally haphazard way of building a squad with depth.

[FitbaFolkKen]

Fenlons real problem is that regardless of what he did he would always have a certain couple of results overshadow anything he did and some of us quite simply found that unforgiveable. I don't think Fenlon would have taken us down and didn't think he needed sacked really but we were stale. It was probably the right time for change, particularly as he thought. He did more good than bad he will unfortunately be remembered for the wrong reasons.

I liked Fenlon thought he did a decent job and always took responsibility but he probably could have done without winning that Aberdeen semi in his first season!

[Billy Whizz]

Seemingly butcher was at the Highland Derby today. Surely he doesn't think he'll get the Inverness gig if Yogi goes to Dundee United?

[21.05.2016]

Butcher has lived on his england player reputation for to long. He has been found out for the incompetent clown he really is.

GIRFUY Butcher

[MJN1875]

Fenlons real problem is that regardless of what he did he would always have a certain couple of results overshadow anything he did and some of us quite simply found that unforgiveable. I don't think Fenlon would have taken us down and didn't think he needed sacked really but we were stale. It was probably the right time for change, particularly as he thought. He did more good than bad he will unfortunately be remembered for the wrong reasons.

I liked Fenlon thought he did a decent job and always took responsibility but he probably could have done without winning that Aberdeen semi in his first season!

Yeah I would pretty much agree with this. He had some unfortunate results which made things look worse than they were.
Tbf we should never even have been in that final with hearts.

But at the end of the day, he kept us up that season, finished 6th the following season with two Scottish cup finals. Even when he left we weren't in too bad a position.

Prefer the set up now though and the team, but I did speak to him and he thought the set up at the time was a shambles and wanted to make things better from youth level.

Don't think he had the right experience but that's not his fault as we gave him the opportunity.

[Holmesdale Hibs]

Ok Maurice Malpas!

Hibs being in the position we are today is 100% down to Butcher! Petrie may have started us on a downward spiral but he never had any control in us winning once in god knows how long!

Butcher certainly played his part but we were **** for a long time before he came in. Calderwood was worse IMO - clearly didn't give a **** about Hibs and that set the standard of professionalism I the following years. The club has been rotten at the core for sometime (prob before CC even came in)

I agree with those who said Fenlon would not have taken us down but he was hardly taking the club forward either. The Butcher appointment made sense at the time (to me anyway, and the majority on here, and the board) and I'm still genuinely shocked how bad it went wrong (his Inverness team used to be alright). Part of me thinks relegation was inevitable under the board at the time and would have happened if we ended up McCall, McGhee, McNamara or whatever other SPL manager whose name was branded about.

I'm not defending Butcher - his football was brutal and he spoke utter BS - but I don't think it's as simple as saying he's 100% responsible for the position we're in at the moment.

[MJN1875]

Butcher certainly played his part but we were **** for a long time before he came in. Calderwood was worse IMO - clearly didn't give a **** about Hibs and that set the standard of professionalism I the following years. The club has been rotten at the core for sometime (prob before CC even came in)

I agree with those who said Fenlon would not have taken us down but he was hardly taking the club forward either. The Butcher appointment made sense at the time (to me anyway, and the majority on here, and the board) and I'm still genuinely shocked how bad it went wrong (his Inverness team used to be alright). Part of me thinks relegation was inevitable under the board at the time and would have happened if we ended up McCall, McGhee, McNamara or whatever other SPL manager whose name was branded about.

I'm not defending Butcher - his football was brutal and he spoke utter BS - but I don't think it's as simple as saying he's 100% responsible for the position we're in at the moment.

Calderwood was an absolute joke of an appointment and sums up where hibs were at that point.

Did pump Rangers 3 0 at ibrox but apart from that I can't remember him doing anything else. And it's not like it hasn't been done before.

Twice!

[MJN1875]

Seemingly butcher was at the Highland Derby today. Surely he doesn't think he'll get the Inverness gig if Yogi goes to Dundee United?

I wouldn't imagine he'd get to manage a pub team now never mind ICT

[PatHead]

Newport drew today by the way.

[EdinMike]

Newport drew today by the way.

That did make me chuckle...

[--------]

Hopefully this will be his last job in football


NO NO NO NO NO!

Director of Football at Ibrox - please!

Make him responsible for all transfer business - he did so well for us in that area of the job. He'd also be very good as the mediator between the dressing-room and the management and board. He has such a warm, sympathetic and understanding personality.

[AndyM_1875]

Calderwood was an absolute joke of an appointment and sums up where hibs were at that point.

Did pump Rangers 3 0 at ibrox but apart from that I can't remember him doing anything else. And it's not like it hasn't been done before.

Twice!

When Calderwood was appointed I only saw the headline "Hibs appoint Calderwood".

I thought we'd hired fat Jimmy.:greengrin
Come to think of it he's have been a far better appointment.

[jacomo]

When Calderwood was appointed I only saw the headline "Hibs appoint Calderwood".

I thought we'd hired fat Jimmy.:greengrin
Come to think of it he's have been a far better appointment.

He would! Fat Jimmy seems to have a soft spot for Hibs, for some reason. He always spoke generously about us in press conferences etc.

[bigwheel]

He would! Fat Jimmy seems to have a soft spot for Hibs, for some reason. He always spoke generously about us in press conferences etc.


perhaps ...but a bigger Hun you will not meet....

[jacomo]

perhaps ...but a bigger Hun you will not meet....

That's why I said 'for some reason'. No obvious reason for him to have any affinity for us, but he was nice and polite anyhow!

[JJP]

It's easy for everyone to blame Petrie when in fact if the support hadn't hounded out Fenlon we would never have appointed Butcher, got relegated and then been stuck in this division for however many years in the first place.

[FitbaFolkKen]

It's easy for everyone to blame Petrie when in fact if the support hadn't hounded out Fenlon we would never have appointed Butcher, got relegated and then been stuck in this division for however many years in the first place.

Regardless of how and when the previous manager left Petrie and the board were responsible for appointing Butcher, it is certainly not our fault.

[Alfred E Newman]

Regardless of how and when the previous manager left Petrie and the board were responsible for appointing Butcher, it is certainly not our fault.

Was he not supposedly the no1 choice of the fans?

[Jim44]

It's easy for everyone to blame Petrie when in fact if the support hadn't hounded out Fenlon we would never have appointed Butcher, got relegated and then been stuck in this division for however many years in the first place.


Regardless of how and when the previous manager left Petrie and the board were responsible for appointing Butcher, it is certainly not our fault.


Was he not supposedly the no1 choice of the fans?

Petrie was undoubtedly infliuenced by fans' opinions. IMHO, he took the view that, if he had gone for someone else, who eventually failed, he would have been on a hiding to nothing. Butcher was an obvious solution at the time. Relative success at ICT was deemed a plus factor and being a popular fans' choice provided Petrie with a kind of get-out clause in the event of failure.

[Onion]

Was he not supposedly the no1 choice of the fans?

Yes, and ?

Being a CEO is bit more involved than appointing a manager based on a straw poll of fans, otherwise, I dare say we could all do the job. Petrie f***** up big time with the appointment of Butcher which has consigned us to lower league football. While we all hope and pray we extricate ourselves from this league soon, the damage done to the club by that appointment has yet to be fully determined. Petrie's incompetence was evident long before Butcher arrived, but sadly the club's owner is sleeping on the job.

[Onion]

Petrie was undoubtedly infliuenced by fans' opinions. IMHO, he took the view that, if he had gone for someone else, who eventually failed, he would have been on a hiding to nothing. Butcher was an obvious solution at the time. Relative success at ICT was deemed a plus factor and being a popular fans' choice provided Petrie with a kind of get-out clause in the event of failure.

Exactly. Before Butcher, Petrie's record of appointing failures was long and distinguished leading to some of the worst results and performances seen at Hibs in living memory. Ultimately, Petrie was allowed to continue demonstrating his incompetence by our absent owner, and therein lies the real problem at ER.

[greenpaper55]

Exactly. Before Butcher, Petrie's record of appointing failures was long and distinguished leading to some of the worst results and performances seen at Hibs in living memory. Ultimately, Petrie was allowed to continue demonstrating his incompetence by our absent owner, and therein lies the real problem at ER.

Never a truer word said.

[silverhibee]

Was he not supposedly the no1 choice of the fans?

Was he.?

I was hoping for Hibs to look abroad for our next manager at the time.

Petrie has been involved in football for a good bit, knows the Scottish game (i would hope anyway) and who was working with the SFA, did he not hear how TB & MM behaved when doing training with the Scotland squad, did he not hear about there behaviour up at ICT, kicking doors off the hinges, having rants, he was a angry man all the time, and then there was the stuff that went on at training up North, as for his sidekick, MM, it was well known in Scottish football about how he treated players, the man was a nutter and it was well known how he behaved towards anyone involved in Scottish football. F*** Off, i know better.
How Petrie even considered these muppets is baffling.

[Tyler Durden]

Was he.?

I was hoping for Hibs to look abroad for our next manager at the time.

Petrie has been involved in football for a good bit, knows the Scottish game (i would hope anyway) and who was working with the SFA, did he not hear how TB & MM behaved when doing training with the Scotland squad, did he not hear about there behaviour up at ICT, kicking doors off the hinges, having rants, he was a angry man all the time, and then there was the stuff that went on at training up North, as for his sidekick, MM, it was well known in Scottish football about how he treated players, the man was a nutter and it was well known how he behaved towards anyone involved in Scottish football. F*** Off, i know better.
How Petrie even considered these muppets is baffling.

But there was a "Fenlon out, Butcher in" thread on Hibs.net!

That seems to be the depth of the argument that Butcher was the fans choice. What with Hibs.net being a singular voice and entirely representative of "the fans".

[Northernhibee]

But there was a "Fenlon out, Butcher in" thread on Hibs.net!

That seems to be the depth of the argument that Butcher was the fans choice. What with Hibs.net being a singular voice and entirely representative of "the fans".

It would take revisionism to the extreme to suggest that Butcher wasn't a popular appointment with the fans.

[Tom Hart RIP]

Me and my 4 mates who are all big Hibs fans were all happy with the Butcher appointment based on his achievements at ICT who were top of the Spl at the time.
Shows what we know.

[Smartie]

There wasn't ever really much criticism of Butcher until relegation was confirmed. The odd mumble on here but nothing that bad at the time.

There was more aggro at games (much more) for Fenlon, Calderwood, Yogi and Mixu.

I don't think any of us ever really thought relegation would actually happen until it did.

There has been a fair bit of revisionism since but to be fair it is easier to look back with hindsight and judge it once you can see how it all panned out. It wasn't that easy at the time.

(cue - everyone coming on and claiming that they "knew" and that they were the first to doubt him, if they even wanted him in the first place).

[Winston Ingram]

There wasn't ever really much criticism of Butcher until relegation was confirmed. The odd mumble on here but nothing that bad at the time.

There was more aggro at games (much more) for Fenlon, Calderwood, Yogi and Mixu.

I don't think any of us ever really thought relegation would actually happen until it did.

There has been a fair bit of revisionism since but to be fair it is easier to look back with hindsight and judge it once you can see how it all panned out. It wasn't that easy at the time.

(cue - everyone coming on and claiming that they "knew" and that they were the first to doubt him, if they even wanted him in the first place).

I'm sorry that's not quite true. There was no Butcher out chanting that I recall but this place was a wash with it from March onwards. The infighting on here was JKBesque

[#FromTheCapital]

There wasn't ever really much criticism of Butcher until relegation was confirmed. The odd mumble on here but nothing that bad at the time.

There was more aggro at games (much more) for Fenlon, Calderwood, Yogi and Mixu.

I don't think any of us ever really thought relegation would actually happen until it did.

There has been a fair bit of revisionism since but to be fair it is easier to look back with hindsight and judge it once you can see how it all panned out. It wasn't that easy at the time.

(cue - everyone coming on and claiming that they "knew" and that they were the first to doubt him, if they even wanted him in the first place).

Agree with this. Of course, we weren't happy with what was happening but butcher didn't get it as bad as those before him such as calderwood and Fenlon.

It all happened so fast, after a decent start to butchers reign including the new year derby sell out at Easter road, things went so rapidly downhill that we were down before we knew it.

[Tyler Durden]

It would take revisionism to the extreme to suggest that Butcher wasn't a popular appointment with the fans.

The reaction was indeed positive. However it was obvious from day 1 that Butcher was Petrie's target. Fans then had time to consider that and its pretty standard to come to an optimistic outlook.

The suggestion that fans influenced Petrie's choice, or that he should be absolved of criticism as he was following the wishes of the support is quite another matter. Total nonsense IMO but crops up on here fairly regularly

[majorhibs]

Agree with this. Of course, we weren't happy with what was happening but butcher didn't get it as bad as those before him such as calderwood and Fenlon.

It all happened so fast, after a decent start to butchers reign including the new year derby sell out at Easter road, things went so rapidly downhill that we were down before we knew it.

We, We, We! How?

[jacomo]

Was he.?

I was hoping for Hibs to look abroad for our next manager at the time.

Petrie has been involved in football for a good bit, knows the Scottish game (i would hope anyway) and who was working with the SFA, did he not hear how TB & MM behaved when doing training with the Scotland squad, did he not hear about there behaviour up at ICT, kicking doors off the hinges, having rants, he was a angry man all the time, and then there was the stuff that went on at training up North, as for his sidekick, MM, it was well known in Scottish football about how he treated players, the man was a nutter and it was well known how he behaved towards anyone involved in Scottish football. F*** Off, i know better.
How Petrie even considered these muppets is baffling.

:agree:

Doesn't really matter what the fans thought, most of us don't work in the game and don't hear these stories.

Petrie failed to do due diligence on Butcher. He's an accountant, too.

[matty_f]

We, We, We! How?

I read that post as if it was said by a cat with a stutter.

[lord bunberry]

There wasn't ever really much criticism of Butcher until relegation was confirmed. The odd mumble on here but nothing that bad at the time.

There was more aggro at games (much more) for Fenlon, Calderwood, Yogi and Mixu.

I don't think any of us ever really thought relegation would actually happen until it did.

There has been a fair bit of revisionism since but to be fair it is easier to look back with hindsight and judge it once you can see how it all panned out. It wasn't that easy at the time.

(cue - everyone coming on and claiming that they "knew" and that they were the first to doubt him, if they even wanted him in the first place).
The reason there wasn't a huge amount of abuse directed at Butcher at the games was that the fans were trying to rally round and get behind the team.

[lord bunberry]

I read that post as if it was said by a cat with a stutter.
I thought it was a foreign tourist asking directions for the toilet.