BBC bias again?

[Moulin Yarns]

I see rishi Sunak was interviewed by piers Morgan and the BBC report it under Scottish politics!!!

[archie]

It emerged decades ago and not only has it achieved consensus, the real world evidence has proved it beyond doubt.

I know you have vested interest in defending the beeb, but pick another topic!I'm not sure what my vested interest is. As a citizen I support a public service broadcaster, free of commercials. Do I have issues with coverage? Sometimes. But I take issue that all climate change issues are proved beyond doubt. As someone who believes the science there has to be questioning. https://www.csiro.au/en/research/environmental-impacts/climate-change/climate-change-qa/science

[archie]

I see rishi Sunak was interviewed by piers Morgan and the BBC report it under Scottish politics!!!

It was about Scottish legislation! I know you don't want it talked about, but come on

[archie]

I don't think it's bold to say the science behind climate change is proven - it might be in a state of flux re figures and impacts but its an ongoing event and good science pivots according to its data.

What that doesn't leave room for is climate change deniers and, maybe, those who lobby for even more fossil fuel usage. Yet the BBC invite them on. That's an 1980's version and an editorial decision.

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Just to be clear, I absolutely accept the science. But there are uncertainties and that is critical to assess when Governments are developing policy responses. I don't think fossil fuel lobbyists should be there under false pretenses, but I don't think they should be silenced either. And from a Scottish perspective we do need to understand what a just transition would look like. The role of oil and gas is central to that. But how do we have that discussion if you don't like opposing or variant views?

[Kato]

Just to be clear, I absolutely accept the science. But there are uncertainties and that is critical to assess when Governments are developing policy responses. I don't think fossil fuel lobbyists should be there under false pretenses, but I don't think they should be silenced either. And from a Scottish perspective we do need to understand what a just transition would look like. The role of oil and gas is central to that. But how do we have that discussion if you don't like opposing or variant views?By including outright denialists there is no discussion about impacts or plans, the discussion evaporates.

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[JeMeSouviens]

I'm not sure what my vested interest is. As a citizen I support a public service broadcaster, free of commercials. Do I have issues with coverage? Sometimes. But I take issue that all climate change issues are proved beyond doubt. As someone who believes the science there has to be questioning. https://www.csiro.au/en/research/environmental-impacts/climate-change/climate-change-qa/science

You defend the bbc's impartiality re the Scottish constitutional question because it supports your position. Might as well be honest about it, no?

And the discussion was not on the details or localised impact of climate change as referred in your link, but about climate scepticism on bbc programmes. Which is roughly at the point the tobacco companies were at 20-30 years ago, putting up paid for pseudoscience to muddy the waters and prolong the profitability of fossil fuels.

[Stick]

Just read that BBC radio Scotland have lost 200,000 listeners over the past 2 years. Me included, it really is terrible nowadays.

[archie]

You defend the bbc's impartiality re the Scottish constitutional question because it supports your position. Might as well be honest about it, no?

And the discussion was not on the details or localised impact of climate change as referred in your link, but about climate scepticism on bbc programmes. Which is roughly at the point the tobacco companies were at 20-30 years ago, putting up paid for pseudoscience to muddy the waters and prolong the profitability of fossil fuels.
You see that's pretty cheap. I could equally say you hate the BBC because of your nationalism and an inability to deal with a contrary position. That would be cheap too. I genuinely don't see the BBC stuffed with climate sceptics. I think there is a real difference between someone who has opposing views and someone paid to muddy the waters. I don't approave of the latter.

But there is a wider issue here. If we don't have challenge and debate then that is the friend of orthodoxy, not the other way about.

To reiterate, I support the model of a public service broadcaster free of advertising. There isn't anything quite like it anywhere in the world. When I discuss this with friends from abroad they are astonished that we would get rid.

[hibsbollah]

You see that's pretty cheap. I could equally say you hate the BBC because of your nationalism and an inability to deal with a contrary position. That would be cheap too. I genuinely don't see the BBC stuffed with climate sceptics. I think there is a real difference between someone who has opposing views and someone paid to muddy the waters. I don't approave of the latter.

But there is a wider issue here. If we don't have challenge and debate then that is the friend of orthodoxy, not the other way about.

To reiterate, I support the model of a public service broadcaster free of advertising. There isn't anything quite like it anywhere in the world. When I discuss this with friends from abroad they are astonished that we would get rid.

I don’t think it’s cheap at all. I think it’s honest to accept that certain outlets have an editorial position and to mentally filter the content accordingly. Whether it’s The Guardian, The Daily Mail, GB News or RT. During the Brexit referendum a few years ago, I found the ‘establishment’ position reflected by the BBC was broadly pro Remain, which I acknowledge as a Remainer myself. But that bias i think contributed to the feeling of estrangement that the pro Brexit voters , particularly in lower social groups felt, as well as a sense of being patronized by the perceived ‘elite’.

[archie]

By including outright denialists there is no discussion about impacts or plans, the discussion evaporates.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkOK, but who determines that? Who says what is valid? An outright denialist would be demolished within two minutes. But in fairness to you, it is entirely right to question whose views are represented and who is not. As an example, I do have concerns about how Covid issues have been presented in some places. I think it's healthy to have a skeptical approach to all issues, including health. But it's really difficult to balance this when the anti-vaxxers are, in many cases, frauds. There also been cases in the past, like MMR, where so called whistleblowers were nothing of the sort. They caused a lot of damage.

But maybe that's something that we just have to live with. I'd hate the US model of commercially driven news networks like Fox and MSNBC that didn't even try.

[Kato]

I genuinely don't see the BBC stuffed with climate sceptics.


That's not what Maitlis said, she provided an example where she claimed in several discussions a scientist on to discuss climate was opposed by someone who was a climate change denier. That's an editorial choice. Any nuance disappears as one side is saying the science is bunk.

Saying the BBC is stuffed with climate deniers is just cotton headed ninnimugins talk.




But there is a wider issue here. If we don't have challenge and debate then that is the friend of orthodoxy, not the other way about.



It's not orthodoxy to say climate change is real. There's no doubt climate scientists will disagree on differing aspects but then, it should be them holding the discussion. Allowing a denialist on negates actual information as the scientist is drawn to a point where he is constantly having to prove theory.

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[Kato]

OK, but who determines that? Who says what is valid?

Scientific concensus, no?



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[archie]

I don’t think it’s cheap at all. I think it’s honest to accept that certain outlets have an editorial position and to mentally filter the content accordingly. Whether it’s The Guardian, The Daily Mail, GB News or RT. During the Brexit referendum a few years ago, I found the ‘establishment’ position reflected by the BBC was broadly pro Remain, which I acknowledge as a Remainer myself. But that bias i think contributed to the feeling of estrangement that the pro Brexit voters , particularly in lower social groups felt, as well as a sense of being patronized by the perceived ‘elite’.I think it's cheap to assume that all views flow from a position on the consitution question. I actually gave a broader view on the importance of public service broadcasting. Apart from that I completely agree with you. So much so that, as a remainer, I cringed at the way leave voters were portrayed.

[Just Alf]

Scientific concensus, no?



Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkThis is a bit old, and the science is even clearer on Climate change now a days but this link highlights an investigation into published scientific papers that were debunking climate change.

https://qz.com/1069298/the-3-of-scientific-papers-that-deny-climate-change-are-all-flawed

[archie]

That's not what Maitlis said, she provided an example where she claimed in several discussions a scientist on to discuss climate was opposed by someone who was a climate change denier. That's an editorial choice. Any nuance disappears as one side is saying the science is bunk.

Saying the BBC is stuffed with climate deniers is just cotton headed ninnimugins talk. A new one for me!





It's not orthodoxy to say climate change is real. There's no doubt climate scientists will disagree on differing aspects but then, it should be them holding the discussion. Allowing a denialist on negates actual information as the scientist is drawn to a point where he is constantly having to prove theory.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkI kind of agree with you, but am nervous about shutting out voices that may have a case. But the issue isn't really about whether there is acceptance of the issue, but what we do about it. And maybe this is were I am coming from. The intensity and impact of measures to address climate change depends on an assessment of the seriousness of the problem. These measures will have very real impacts on peoples lives. Look at the impact Covid had on the world economy. Well some measures to address climate change might be worse. How on earth do we get to a position of understanding that and then getting peoples buy in to that without debate. BTW, I don't expect you to have an answer. It a much easire question to pose than to solve.

[archie]

Scientific concensus, no?



Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkOf course, but it's not always right.

[Kato]

How on earth do we get to a position of understanding that and then getting peoples buy in to that without debate.

Climate change denial is an orthodoxy.

You could ask the BBC News dept why they allow it a platform when 97% of the science debunks their stance and the other 3% was debunked itself.

It sounds like you want a proper discussion and one of the BBCs own presenters of one of its flagship news programmes says you were repeatedly denied that because of an editorial stance.

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[JeMeSouviens]

I don’t think it’s cheap at all. I think it’s honest to accept that certain outlets have an editorial position and to mentally filter the content accordingly. Whether it’s The Guardian, The Daily Mail, GB News or RT. During the Brexit referendum a few years ago, I found the ‘establishment’ position reflected by the BBC was broadly pro Remain, which I acknowledge as a Remainer myself. But that bias i think contributed to the feeling of estrangement that the pro Brexit voters , particularly in lower social groups felt, as well as a sense of being patronized by the perceived ‘elite’.

:agree:

I supported Remain but I could see the beeb tended to be pro-remain. I think once the ref result was in they switched horses and have been pro-brexit since.

I supported indy in 2014 and actually, broadly speaking, I felt the UK ("national" as they would have it) news output was pretty fair. Peston, Stephanie Flanders, Paul Mason and especially Allan Little all very good I thought. The Scottish regional output perhaps not so much (!)

If you don't think Reporting Scotland and Good Morning Scotland have been biased against indy since the ref then I can only assume you are deaf, blind and/or have some sort of dementia. It's that clear cut.


You see that's pretty cheap. I could equally say you hate the BBC because of your nationalism and an inability to deal with a contrary position.

... thus, I can only assume anyone defending BBC Scotland impartiality who also takes a pro-union position is at it. If you choose to see that as cheap, so be it I guess.

[Kato]

Of course, but it's not always right.Peer reviewed science can only produce data then attempt a model for its effects. Climate change science has been producing data and models since the 1950's. Some of its effects are, apparently, palpable right now.

If this particular science is flawed I'd like to see very robust evidence against it.

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[archie]

Peer reviewed science can only produce data then attempt a model for its effects. Climate change science has been producing data and models since the 1950's. Some of its effects are, apparently, palpable right now.

If this particular science is flawed I'd like to see very robust evidence against it.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkThis is such a strange discussion. I really do agree with you! My only issue is that we don't squeeze out unconfortable views that could be right. It's not straightforward and it's certainly not about denialist clowns.

[Kato]

This is such a strange discussion. I really do agree with you! My only issue is that we don't squeeze out unconfortable views that could be right. It's not straightforward and it's certainly not about denialist clowns.Strange. Maybe that's because you seem to think the discussion centres on the why and wherefores of climate change when it's about the BBC News rooms strangely weighed editorial decisions.

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[grunt]

She relocated because of the abuse she suffered.
Uh huh. Yeah sure.

[James310]

Uh huh. Yeah sure.

Well that's what she said. Why do you hate her so much, is it because she is a woman? Would you have the same feelings if it was a man? You seem to have it really in for her.

[grunt]

OK, but what is unjustified criticism? I am also really surprised at the assertion that they go out of their way to criticise SG and take the UK side. Any examples?


If you don't think Reporting Scotland and Good Morning Scotland have been biased against indy since the ref then I can only assume you are deaf, blind and/or have some sort of dementia. It's that clear cut.

... thus, I can only assume anyone defending BBC Scotland impartiality who also takes a pro-union position is at it. If you choose to see that as cheap, so be it I guess.

:agree:

[archie]

:agree:

I supported Remain but I could see the beeb tended to be pro-remain. I think once the ref result was in they switched horses and have been pro-brexit since.

I supported indy in 2014 and actually, broadly speaking, I felt the UK ("national" as they would have it) news output was pretty fair. Peston, Stephanie Flanders, Paul Mason and especially Allan Little all very good I thought. The Scottish regional output perhaps not so much (!)

If you don't think Reporting Scotland and Good Morning Scotland have been biased against indy since the ref then I can only assume you are deaf, blind and/or have some sort of dementia. It's that clear cut.Just some clear cut examples would be great.

[grunt]

Just some clear cut examples would be great.
Just watch BBC Scotland News with your eyes open.

[archie]

Strange. Maybe that's because you seem to think the discussion centres on the why and wherefores of climate change when it's about the BBC News rooms strangely weighed editorial decisions.

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Not fair. I think it's a useful example. Talking of examples, can you share with me any 'strangely weighted editorial descisions'?

[Pretty Boy]

Are the BBC regularly platforming climate change deniers? I can remember Piers Corbyn getting a few minutes here and there during covid but can't say I regularly hear high profile denialists on their news output.

During COP26 the BBC featured reports from the conference as the main stories on it's TV broadcasts and provided rolling coverage on the news channel (as they did with COP27). The website featured all kinds of climate stories on the front page as well as on a dedicated section which is still there, regularly updated and features no obvious denialist content. Indeed the opening line to their Simple Guide to Climate Change is 'World temperatures are rising because of human activity, and climate change now threatens every aspect of human life.' Not much ambiguity there and certainly no 'but some dispute this' balance. It's stated as the fact it is.

The above is despite throughout COP26 and beyond stories about climate change rarely featuring in their top 10 most read section. Commercial news output pushes stories with high click rates to direct traffic there and push up and revenue. The BBC prioritised a story because solely because it was of genuine importance regardless of whether Joe Bloggs preferred to read about Kanye West buying a pet armadillo.

[Kato]

Not fair. I think it's a useful example. Talking of examples, can you share with me any 'strangely weighted editorial descisions'?Tell you what. I'll pass.

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[Mr Grieves]

Emily Maitlis claimed that if the subject was climate change the BBC's editorial was to find one person to discuss in favour and another to speak against so as to show "impartiality".

How can you be impartial regarding proven science?

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Yep, happens all the time on 5 live were they have 2 folk at polar opposites without any context.

Honestly, I think BBC Scotland are probably closer to what a national broadcaster should be, but still overly critical compared to the UK outfit.

[Moulin Yarns]

Quote from the BBC website


Bryson was moved from Cornton Vale to the male prison estate after a public outcry.


Actually wrong, they were moved after a review by the SPS.

[Just Alf]

Well that's what she said. Why do you hate her so much, is it because she is a woman? Would you have the same feelings if it was a man? You seem to have it really in for her.

Whats the fact she's a woman got to do with it?

[James310]

Whats the fact she's a woman got to do with it?

Hopefully nothing.

[Curried]

I was only the go-between:


https://youtu.be/kmJ1gm9mQ-Y

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/stvnews/status/1624012823620640769?s=46&t=eVrhrC7naREKSpigwcnpxg

More job losses in newspapers announced. It amazes me this hasn’t happened sooner given that nobody seems to buy them anymore? I’m also surprised we haven’t seen any titles disappear altogether?


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[Glory Lurker]

Whoa. He was a "Salmond Blogger" when he was convicted of contempt of court, but now innuendo against the SNP can be attached, he's a "Former diplomat".

He rehabilitated well. Did he say he was as a man or a woman though?

[cabbageandribs1875]

oh dear, good old beeb

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/331077114_758830232526225_2229606509646558052_n.pn g?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=1LEMT-w9PJAAX_PjGMq&tn=oRK5qAGe-9s67qfL&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AfCBISmGBooadUzQrEV5hoC01sKdv8uQWU84P1ubDNBS Mg&oe=63F4D306

[Hiber-nation]

oh dear, good old beeb

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/331077114_758830232526225_2229606509646558052_n.pn g?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=1LEMT-w9PJAAX_PjGMq&tn=oRK5qAGe-9s67qfL&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AfCBISmGBooadUzQrEV5hoC01sKdv8uQWU84P1ubDNBS Mg&oe=63F4D306

That's 3 in one graphic!!!

[Glory Lurker]

That's 3 in one graphic!!!

Oh my. I only noticed one!

It's alright though. We pay for this.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i never watch QT or Kuenssberg for this reason, but damn well said James O'Brien, bang on re the Bee Bee C

LBC on Twitter: "'The idea that he hasn't lied - is palpably absurd.' ＠mrjamesob holds Laura Kuenssberg to account after she behaved in an ‘absolutely reprehensible fashion’ challenging the accusation that Boris Johnson had lied. https://t.co/omxboFAz1Y" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1628355168520785920?fbclid=IwAR0dMBbprds7tZb4EXRJy jJtbMZm-7VwOZm8A4UshdXA6-7lDaLvVbL1i6k)


quite a charge my erky

[Kato]

i never watch QT or Kuenssberg for this reason, but damn well said James O'Brien, bang on re the Bee Bee C

LBC on Twitter: "'The idea that he hasn't lied - is palpably absurd.' ＠mrjamesob holds Laura Kuenssberg to account after she behaved in an ‘absolutely reprehensible fashion’ challenging the accusation that Boris Johnson had lied. https://t.co/omxboFAz1Y" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1628355168520785920?fbclid=IwAR0dMBbprds7tZb4EXRJy jJtbMZm-7VwOZm8A4UshdXA6-7lDaLvVbL1i6k)


quite a charge my erkySeems like a reflex instinct to defend the Russia/Ukraine supporting Boris Johnson among BBC staff.

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[MKHIBEE]

i never watch QT or Kuenssberg for this reason, but damn well said James O'Brien, bang on re the Bee Bee C

LBC on Twitter: "'The idea that he hasn't lied - is palpably absurd.' ＠mrjamesob holds Laura Kuenssberg to account after she behaved in an ‘absolutely reprehensible fashion’ challenging the accusation that Boris Johnson had lied. https://t.co/omxboFAz1Y" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1628355168520785920?fbclid=IwAR0dMBbprds7tZb4EXRJy jJtbMZm-7VwOZm8A4UshdXA6-7lDaLvVbL1i6k)


quite a charge my erky

That tweet has been deleted

[cabbageandribs1875]

Seems like a reflex instinct to defend the Russia/Ukraine supporting Boris Johnson among BBC staff.

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That tweet has been deleted


just had a wee sketch again, was that LBC/James O'Brien that deleted it ? :confused:

[MKHIBEE]

just had a wee sketch again, was that LBC/James O'Brien that deleted it ? :confused:
I have no idea who deleted it.

[greenlex]

Some interesting stuff in here.

https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/politics/an-open-letter-to-the-bbc/?fbclid=IwAR14Hhd1M7kOD56LeJNgTsjLNa3qcQ7JpWXr1F02 EnPwG67aCwK8_SAu7L4

[MKHIBEE]

Some interesting stuff in here.

https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/politics/an-open-letter-to-the-bbc/?fbclid=IwAR14Hhd1M7kOD56LeJNgTsjLNa3qcQ7JpWXr1F02 EnPwG67aCwK8_SAu7L4
For a national, supposedly unbiased broadcaster, the BBC news and current affairs programmes are shameful.

[JimBHibees]

For a national, supposedly unbiased broadcaster, the BBC news and current affairs programmes are shameful.

Yep appalling. Those stats re question time are shameful and the very reason I havent watched it in years and now very very rarely watch their news coverage either.

[cabbageandribs1875]

I have no idea who deleted it.


turns out it was LBC that deleted it kerry ✊💙💙 (backing Nurses) on Twitter: "James O’Brien performed an amazing take down of Laura Kuenssberg today, the clip went wild then LBC deleted it 😏 Did #bbclaurak & the beeb get legal involved🤨 The video fell into the void until @AnarchyUK3 shared a copy with me 👍 I’ve sped it up to fit the time frame https://t.co/gf75TdQVFm" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/hewitson10/status/1628525530470293507) but it's back again :)

[TrumpIsAPeado]

Quite like that James O'Brien. His journey from tory Boris Johnson voter to "moderate labour" to a voice of the left has been an intriguing transition to follow over the years. :wink:

[heretoday]

If you don't like the beeb turn over and watch Sky or whatever. Adverts every five minutes.

[Ozyhibby]

If you don't like the beeb turn over and watch Sky or whatever. Adverts every five minutes.

Sky news is far superior to BBC news channel. Worth putting up with the adds. And the BBC news usually has as many adds for its own shows or filler music when adds would normally be on anyway. I think this is because abroad it maybe carries adds?


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[TrumpIsAPeado]

Sky News in the UK is getting increasingly more like Sky News Australia imo.

[Ozyhibby]

Sky News in the UK is getting increasingly more like Sky News Australia imo.

Two totally different companies.


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[TrumpIsAPeado]

Two totally different companies.


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I'm surprised Sky News hasn't sued Sky News for using the exact same logo.

[MKHIBEE]

If you don't like the beeb turn over and watch Sky or whatever. Adverts every five minutes.

Thats fine and it’s what I do but, as a national broadcaster funded by public money, it really shouldn’t be be too much too ask for impartiality, and truth, in its reporting.
Fiona Bruce and Laura Keunssberg couldn’t be more partisan if they tried. The need for the BBC to be kissing Tory ass is nauseating and shameful.

[Ozyhibby]

I'm surprised Sky News hasn't sued Sky News for using the exact same logo.

They both own the individual rights in their respective markets.


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[147lothian]

Sky news is far superior to BBC news channel. Worth putting up with the adds. And the BBC news usually has as many adds for its own shows or filler music when adds would normally be on anyway. I think this is because abroad it maybe carries adds?


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I agree, The BBC is so sanitized it's dull as dish water, The BBC has had it's day, when there was limited options, Sky is just so much better than the BBC.

[Oscar T Grouch]

If you don't like the beeb turn over and watch Sky or whatever. Adverts every five minutes.

It’s a public funded body, it’s job is to represent all views in the UK and on that it fails miserably. If they want to take away public funding and fund it with ads then fine, it can pump out anything it wants but when it’s paid for through the TV license it is not and never will be a case of just turning the channel over.

[grunt]

Lots of discussion about the BBC. Worth remembering it is publicly funded, and it has a Charter which governs what it should do.

https://downloads.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/about/how_we_govern/2016/charter.pdf

The BBC's Mission




The Mission of the BBC is to act in the public interest, serving all audiences through the provision of impartial, high-quality and distinctive output and services which inform, educate and entertain.






The Public Purpose (the bold font is in the document, I have not added it).




1. To provide impartial news and information to help people understand and engage with the world around them: the BBC should provide duly accurate and impartial news, current affairs and factual programming to build people’s understanding of all parts of the United Kingdom and of the wider world. Its content should be provided to the highest editorial standards. It should offer a range and depth of analysis and content not widely available from other United Kingdom news providers, using the highest calibre presenters and journalists, and championing freedom of expression, so that all audiences can engage fully with major local, regional, national, United Kingdom and global issues and participate in the democratic process, at all levels, as active and informed citizens.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

Lots of discussion about the BBC. Worth remembering it is publicly funded, and it has a Charter which governs what it should do.

https://downloads.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/about/how_we_govern/2016/charter.pdf

The BBC's Mission



The Public Purpose (the bold font is in the document, I have not added it).

They say "in the public interest". But it's the Government that ultimately decides what "in the public interest" and the BBC proceeds to echo it.

[grunt]

https://bylinetimes.com/2023/02/24/cropped-out-the-curious-tale-of-the-bbc-brexit-and-our-missing-vegetables/


Former BBC journalist and producer Patrick Howse explores why the BBC’s reluctance to tell us when we are being lied to is well past its sell by date


The BBC’s pursuit of an illusion of balance when reporting domestic politics has badly damaged it in the age of Brexit. Its obvious fear of telling British people the truth about what has been done to them, and falling back on the cowardly reporting of contradictory opinions rather than hard facts, has seriously undermined its credibility – and continues to do so.

[Ozyhibby]

https://bylinetimes.com/2023/02/24/bbc-chairman-donated-tens-of-thousands-of-pounds-to-right-wing-group-funding-criticism-of-bbc/

Unbelievable. Actually, not really.


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[Kato]

https://bylinetimes.com/2023/02/24/bbc-chairman-donated-tens-of-thousands-of-pounds-to-right-wing-group-funding-criticism-of-bbc/

Unbelievable. Actually, not really.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkIt's normal. Rich people funding groups who want to wreck the country for ordinary people.

Normal. No one will be taken to task. Liars and traitors still in government and being cowtowed to by BBC News employees as though the sun shines out their beehinds. Still that Milliband guy disgraced the nation by eating a bacon sandwich and Corbyn wanted to kill off the Jews by wearing a hat which he deliberately knew looked slightly russo-centric.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

BBC journalists overwhelmingly want chair Richard Sharp fired | The National (https://www.thenational.scot/news/23343490.bbc-journalists-overwhelmingly-want-chair-richard-sharp-fired/?fbclid=IwAR1_QbXicxzWtTh655RlEOxp21huXYPtrq8Wk8Pe UOIS16v9SNIJR6UvP8g)

A MASSIVE 95 per cent of BBC (https://www.thenational.scot/news/media-and-the-bbc/) journalists think Richard Sharp (https://www.thenational.scot/news/national/23268408.richard-sharp-bbc-chairman-facing-calls-investigation/), the Tory donor installed at the head of the broadcaster during Boris Johnson’s time in Downing Street, should immediately resign, a new poll has indicated.

A survey of BBC reporters conducted by the National Union of Journalists (NUJ), which received more than 1000 replies, found that just 4% think he should stay on as chair of the corporation.

An unassailable 97% said that revelations around Sharp – who helped facilitate a loan of a reported £800,000 to the then prime minister Johnson – had damaged the BBC’s reputation.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

BBC journalists overwhelmingly want chair Richard Sharp fired | The National (https://www.thenational.scot/news/23343490.bbc-journalists-overwhelmingly-want-chair-richard-sharp-fired/?fbclid=IwAR1_QbXicxzWtTh655RlEOxp21huXYPtrq8Wk8Pe UOIS16v9SNIJR6UvP8g)

A MASSIVE 95 per cent of BBC (https://www.thenational.scot/news/media-and-the-bbc/) journalists think Richard Sharp (https://www.thenational.scot/news/national/23268408.richard-sharp-bbc-chairman-facing-calls-investigation/), the Tory donor installed at the head of the broadcaster during Boris Johnson’s time in Downing Street, should immediately resign, a new poll has indicated.

A survey of BBC reporters conducted by the National Union of Journalists (NUJ), which received more than 1000 replies, found that just 4% think he should stay on as chair of the corporation.

An unassailable 97% said that revelations around Sharp – who helped facilitate a loan of a reported £800,000 to the then prime minister Johnson – had damaged the BBC’s reputation.



The 4% must consist of the one's that we see on the screen day in day out with their cushty wee promotions.

[JimBHibees]

https://bylinetimes.com/2023/02/24/cropped-out-the-curious-tale-of-the-bbc-brexit-and-our-missing-vegetables/

Impossible to argue with yet you get told you are paranoid and wrong by indicating the obvious truth

[JimBHibees]

The 4% must consist of the one's that we see on the screen day in day out with their cushty wee promotions.

Bet Laura is one probably Sarah Smith also

[grunt]

Clearly worded headlines are important

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-64745282?xtor=AL-72-%5Bpartner%5D-%5Bbbc.news.twitter%5D-%5Bheadline%5D-%5Bnews%5D-%5Bbizdev%5D-%5Bisapi%5D&at_campaign_type=owned&at_link_id=7BC075CE-B48B-11ED-92B0-0FD9FF7C7F44&at_link_type=web_link&at_medium=social&at_ptr_name=twitter&at_format=link&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_bbc_team=editorial&at_link_origin=BBCPolitics


Adult learning threatened by EU funding cuts

[Glory Lurker]

Clearly worded headlines are important

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-64745282?xtor=AL-72-%5Bpartner%5D-%5Bbbc.news.twitter%5D-%5Bheadline%5D-%5Bnews%5D-%5Bbizdev%5D-%5Bisapi%5D&at_campaign_type=owned&at_link_id=7BC075CE-B48B-11ED-92B0-0FD9FF7C7F44&at_link_type=web_link&at_medium=social&at_ptr_name=twitter&at_format=link&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_bbc_team=editorial&at_link_origin=BBCPolitics

That is appalling.

[archie]

That is appalling.

I think the story is. I'm struggling to see how the reporting is.

[Glory Lurker]

I think the story is. I'm struggling to see how the reporting is.

Headline insinuates that the cut is of the EU's making.

[Stairway 2 7]

Headline insinuates that the cut is of the EU's making.

I think it shows the opposite, another problem due to brexit

[archie]

Headline insinuates that the cut is of the EU's making.
It could be read like that, but you could argue that the context is that we're not in the EU and people know that. Also the story makes clear what is happening. I'm not sure this is a slam dunk tbh.

[Glory Lurker]

It could be read like that, but you could argue that the context is that we're not in the EU and people know that. Also the story makes clear what is happening. I'm not sure this is a slam dunk tbh.

Nah, it's a very poor headline that shouldn't appear on an informed media source.

[grunt]

It could be read like that, but you could argue that the context is that we're not in the EU and people know that. Also the story makes clear what is happening. I'm not sure this is a slam dunk tbh.
I was going to explain at length why I think your interpretation is wrong, but I wonder if you're just posting for effect. Sometimes I don't know if you're posting just to get a rise out of people.

[Kato]

It could be read like that, but you could argue that the context is that we're not in the EU and people know that. Also the story makes clear what is happening. I'm not sure this is a slam dunk tbh.What's wrong with an unambiguous headline?

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[archie]

I was going to explain at length why I think your interpretation is wrong, but I wonder if you're just posting for effect. Sometimes I don't know if you're posting just to get a rise out of people.

I never post to get a rise. I do try to understand what people are saying. That's why I ask what people mean. There's a lot of social media shorthand on here where people say something is vile or despicable without explanation, so I will ask questions about that. On the specific issue re the headline it is accurate, but the headline does not spell out why the funding is stopping. I suspect That's more about a punchy headline rather than bias. The story makes clear the link to Brexit and the issues with replacement funding. If I was a Brexiteer I would push back against the story because there is no way of knowing whether the funding would have continued if we hadn't left the EU. So no doubt they could claim bias too.

[archie]

What's wrong with an unambiguous headline?

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What would the unambiguous headline be?

[grunt]

What would the unambiguous headline be?I'll have a go.

Adult learning classes to end as they lose their EU funding following monumentally stupid Brexit vote, even though the corrupt and lying Tory Government promised they would replace the lost funding. They didn't.

How about that?

[archie]

I'll have a go.

Adult learning classes to end as they lose their EU funding following monumentally stupid Brexit vote, even though the corrupt and lying Tory Government promised they would replace the lost funding. They didn't.

How about that?
Well it's certainly unambiguous! Whether it's accurate is another issue!

[Smartie]

I never post to get a rise. I do try to understand what people are saying. That's why I ask what people mean. There's a lot of social media shorthand on here where people say something is vile or despicable without explanation, so I will ask questions about that. On the specific issue re the headline it is accurate, but the headline does not spell out why the funding is stopping. I suspect That's more about a punchy headline rather than bias. The story makes clear the link to Brexit and the issues with replacement funding. If I was a Brexiteer I would push back against the story because there is no way of knowing whether the funding would have continued if we hadn't left the EU. So no doubt they could claim bias too.

It doesn’t really do much to defend the BBC’s reputation as a rigorous, trustworthy and neutral public broadcaster though.

[archie]

It doesn’t really do much to defend the BBC’s reputation as a rigorous, trustworthy and neutral public broadcaster though.

The story or the headline?

[Kato]

What would the unambiguous headline be?Something that didn't infer the EU were cutting funds. The EU funds are stopping but there is no cut.

Something the showed the funding being stopped was down to brexit.

Its not hard.



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[Kato]

Well it's certainly unambiguous! Whether it's accurate is another issue!Can you point out the specific inaccuracies?

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[archie]

Can you point out the specific inaccuracies?

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Firstly, I agree that Brexit has impacted in a really bad way on funding funding for a lot organisations. I also agree that the supposed access to funding streams to replace EU funding are confusing. What you can't say is that it is solely down to Brexit. Why? Because we can't know what the funding for the organisation would have been going forward had we remained in the EU. EU funding programmes change all the time and previous funding was no guarantee that you would receive funding.

[Smartie]

The story or the headline?

The headline.

Doesn't match the story at all.

Some people just glance past headlines though, so they can make an impact without being supported by the longer text.

It's a diabolical headline, and not an accident imo.

[Kato]

Firstly, I agree that Brexit has impacted in a really bad way on funding funding for a lot organisations. I also agree that the supposed access to funding streams to replace EU funding are confusing. What you can't say is that it is solely down to Brexit. Why? Because we can't know what the funding for the organisation would have been going forward had we remained in the EU. EU funding programmes change all the time and previous funding was no guarantee that you would receive funding.If mental gymnastics were an Olympic Sport you'd get at least a bronze.



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[archie]

If mental gymnastics were an Olympic Sport you'd get at least a bronze.



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Gold surely! But seriously, it's not a prissy point that you can't know funding for the project would have continued if we had voted remain. So strictly speaking it's not due to Brexit

[Moulin Yarns]

Gold surely! But seriously, it's not a prissy point that you can't know funding for the project would have continued if we had voted remain. So strictly speaking it's not due to Brexit

But it was absolutely guaranteed by Brexit.

[Kato]

Gold surely! But seriously, it's not a prissy point that you can't know funding for the project would have continued if we had voted remain. So strictly speaking it's not due to BrexitYes, that is gold medal thinking.

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[Just Alf]

Gold surely! But seriously, it's not a prissy point that you can't know funding for the project would have continued if we had voted remain. So strictly speaking it's not due to BrexitTo be strictly accurate this particular cut was due to Brexit....

If Brexit never happened something else may have caused a cut but we'll never know... the only evidence we have is that they'd been happy to fund it until.we left.

[archie]

Yes, that is gold medal thinking.

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Thank you!

[Glory Lurker]

Was it OF fans fighting at Hampden this morning? BBC leaves you to draw your own conclusion (and check out that fourth-last paragraph!).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-64777252

Perhaps they are concerned about prejudicing the many court cases that will obviously follow now, a given after 2016?

Er..

https://news.stv.tv/west-central/rangers-and-celtic-fans-clash-outside-hampden-ahead-of-cup-final

Whit's Atlantic Quay playin at, Tam?

[TrumpIsAPeado]

Not specifically about the BBC, but just the cosy political and media connection in general.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eimhnCRjJEY

[heretoday]

I dunno about bias but I wish someone would have a word with Weather girl Judith Ralston about her diction. She's very indistinct, slurring some words and phrases so that you've no idea what she's saying. I believe she's married to some BBC bigwig so they're probably all scared to criticise her.
She looks a fright too. Scary.

[archie]

I dunno about bias but I wish someone would have a word with Weather girl Judith Ralston about her diction. She's very indistinct, slurring some words and phrases so that you've no idea what she's saying. I believe she's married to some BBC bigwig so they're probably all scared to criticise her.
She looks a fright too. Scary.
Bit mean! She's a former opera singer. Her husband is a meteorologist.

[One Day Soon]

Was it OF fans fighting at Hampden this morning? BBC leaves you to draw your own conclusion (and check out that fourth-last paragraph!).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-64777252

Perhaps they are concerned about prejudicing the many court cases that will obviously follow now, a given after 2016?

Er..

https://news.stv.tv/west-central/rangers-and-celtic-fans-clash-outside-hampden-ahead-of-cup-final

Whit's Atlantic Quay playin at, Tam?


Why would Only Fans fans be fighting outside Hampden?

[grunt]

Not sure where to post this so, since is this a BBC thread, here will do.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/mar/10/david-attenborough-bbc-wild-isles-episode-rightwing-backlash-fears?CMP=share_btn_tw


The BBC has decided not to broadcast an episode of David Attenborough’s flagship new series on British wildlife because of fears its themes of the destruction of nature would risk a backlash from Tory politicians and the rightwing press, the Guardian has been told.

The decision has angered the programme-makers and some insiders at the BBC (https://www.theguardian.com/media/bbc), who fear the corporation has bowed to pressure from lobbying groups with “dinosaurian ways”.

[Kato]

Not sure where to post this so, since is this a BBC thread, here will do.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/mar/10/david-attenborough-bbc-wild-isles-episode-rightwing-backlash-fears?CMP=share_btn_twClosing down the virtue signallers.

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[grunt]

Closing down the virtue signallers.
On further investigation it seems that the Guardian have been a bit cheeky with this report.
The episode which the BBC are not broadcasting is apparently a standalone programme and not part of the series which IS being broadcast.
The standalone episode is only going to be on iPlayer.
There's still an argument for complaint about the BBC's actions here, but I do wonder if the Guardian has cried wolf on this one.

I'll leave the post up - both to allow anyone who wants to read it, and also to show that sometimes perhaps I jump on things too soon.

[grunt]

And then there's this!

https://twitter.com/MrMichaelSpicer/status/1633917550248726529?s=20

[hibsbollah]

Lineker slapped down.

[Bristolhibby]

Lineker forced to step back from presenting MOTD.

The world has gone mad, wile the policy itself gets waved through.

J

[Kato]

"Down with cancel culture."

"We want free speech."

"No, not that kind!"

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[Kato]

It will be civil servants or any govt employee stopped from being critical of the Tory govt on social media next.

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[Ozyhibby]

Lineker and Attenborough silenced. The value of getting their own man at the top of the bbc very important.


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[archie]

It will be civil servants or any govt employee stopped from being critical of the Tory govt on social media next.

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Civil servants are constrained on what they can say on social media. And rightly so.

[Mibbes Aye]

Lineker and Attenborough silenced. The value of getting their own man at the top of the bbc very important.


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I would laugh my proverbials off if Lineker pulled a Martin Bell and stood at the next GE as a unity anti-Tory candidate.

The slight problem is that Suella has one of the strongest majorities in the House. None of the Leicester Tories are high-profile AFAIK.

Must be some other odious, hate-spraying sleaze jockey he could go up against though.

[Just Alf]

Lineker forced to step back from presenting MOTD.

The world has gone mad, wile the policy itself gets waved through.

JIt's crazy... so what they're saying is that from now on .. every tweet etc from every person employed by the BBC has to be 'balanced' ... they can't have one person tweeting left and another tweet right etc???

[Kato]

Lies and smears begin.


https://twitter.com/RussInCheshire/status/1634121488960765952?t=krc0fEuLjVogdilmQeCu_A&s=19

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[Moulin Yarns]

On further investigation it seems that the Guardian have been a bit cheeky with this report.
The episode which the BBC are not broadcasting is apparently a standalone programme and not part of the series which IS being broadcast.
The standalone episode is only going to be on iPlayer.
There's still an argument for complaint about the BBC's actions here, but I do wonder if the Guardian has cried wolf on this one.

I'll leave the post up - both to allow anyone who wants to read it, and also to show that sometimes perhaps I jump on things too soon.

A sixth episode has also been filmed, which is understood to be a stark look at the losses of nature in the UK and what has caused the declines. It is also understood to include some examples of rewilding, a concept that has been controversial in some rightwing circles.

[CropleyWasGod]

It's crazy... so what they're saying is that from now on .. every tweet etc from every person employed by the BBC has to be 'balanced' ... they can't have one person tweeting left and another tweet right etc???

He's not an employee, of course, which makes it even murkier.

[Kato]

So Lee Anderson revealed he wanted to fight the next election on culture and this latest stunt by them is the canary in the mine. Lash out at a minority then lash out at any criticism. Purely emotional dog-whistling.

They are scared. They know the electorate are livid with them and are showing themselves to be cowards they are.

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[grunt]

Sky News understands the BBC statement on Gary Lineker is incorrect.

That Lineker has not agreed to 'step back', and has instead been taken off air as he is unwilling to apologise for his comments this week on social media.

[Just Alf]

He's not an employee, of course, which makes it even murkier.Indeed :agree:

[grunt]

He's not an employee, of course, which makes it even murkier.
Do you think so? A lot of organisations have policies that apply equally to employees and contractors?

[grunt]

Ian Wright refuses to host MOTD

https://twitter.com/IanWright0/status/1634243318723821576?s=20

[wookie70]

It will be civil servants or any govt employee stopped from being critical of the Tory govt on social media next.

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If they spent 5 minutes on mine I would be out in a shot. I think this only goes to show that it isn't just language that is reminiscent of 30s Germany it is actions too. The BBC is more and more becoming a propaganda channel of Government. Fiona Bruce brushing off Stanley Johnson breaking his wife's nose is pretty blatant protectionism.
It is pretty high risk from the Tories. They could become unelectable forever but they have nothing to lose at this point in time and are only bothered about their next pay check.

[hibsbollah]

Interestingly, the only actual individual politician Linekerhas gone after today is Jeremy Corbyn. JC tweeted ‘Well Done Gary!’ Gary replied ‘Bin Corbyn!’ which seemed a little unnecessary :faf: I’m fairly sure this would have been considered OK behaviour by Auntie Top Brass though.

[CropleyWasGod]

Do you think so? A lot of organisations have policies that apply equally to employees and contractors?

If Auntie had such a policy for contractors, I would have thought GL would have felt the weight of it already. He's no shrinking violet when it comes to political comment.

IMO, it's because he's been critical of a Government policy that will be the flagship of the Tories election campaign.

[CropleyWasGod]

Ian Wright refuses to host MOTD

https://twitter.com/IanWright0/status/1634243318723821576?s=20

His way of ruling himself out of a gig he's not been offered? :greengrin

[yonder1875]

Ian Wright refuses to host MOTD

https://twitter.com/IanWright0/status/1634243318723821576?s=20

Got so much admiration for Ian Wright, well played.

As an Arsenal admirer, they couldn’t ask for a better ambassador than him.

[archie]

His way of ruling himself out of a gig he's not been offered? :greengrin

Doesn't he act as a pundit?

[CropleyWasGod]

Doesn't he act as a pundit?

The post I quoted suggested he was asked to be host.

[Kato]

I suppose all Linekar has to do is either apologise or donate four hundred pounds to the nasty party and sort out an eight hundred grand loan for the PM.

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[Kato]

His way of ruling himself out of a gig he's not been offered? :greengrinHe's a pundit most weeks.

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[grunt]

If Auntie had such a policy for contractors, I would have thought GL would have felt the weight of it already. He's no shrinking violet when it comes to political comment.

IMO, it's because he's been critical of a Government policy that will be the flagship of the Tories election campaign.Here's the policy:

https://www.bbc.com/editorialguidelines/guidance/social-media/#personalactivity

[He's here!]

Lineker and Attenborough silenced. The value of getting their own man at the top of the bbc very important.


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Lineker's hardly been silenced. I imagine he was asked to issue some sort of apology/acknowledgement re any offence caused but pretty much backed the BBC into a corner by doubling down. He can now walk away and say anything he likes unchecked. Might well work to his advantage. When you're in his sort of position there's an element of ego/untouchability.

I don't really get why anyone is surprised this has happened. What if he'd said something like 'Great to see the government really trying to get to grips with illegal migrants. Send 'em back'? There would have been a similar level of outcry and the BBC would have had to act the same way.

[grunt]

I don't really get why anyone is surprised this has happened. What if he'd said something like 'Great to see the government really trying to get to grips with illegal migrants. Send 'em back'? There would have been a similar level of outcry and the BBC would have had to act the same way.
You're kidding, right?

[Rumble de Thump]

Lineker's hardly been silenced. I imagine he was asked to issue some sort of apology/acknowledgement re any offence caused but pretty much backed the BBC into a corner by doubling down. He can now walk away and say anything he likes unchecked. Might well work to his advantage. When you're in his sort of position there's an element of ego/untouchability.

I don't really get why anyone is surprised this has happened. What if he'd said something like 'Great to see the government really trying to get to grips with illegal migrants. Send 'em back'? There would have been a similar level of outcry and the BBC would have had to act the same way.

Offence caused to whom?

[Stairway 2 7]

Auschwitz Memorial
@AuschwitzMuseum
At Auschwitz we see the end of the process, but the Holocaust did not start from gas chambers & murder.

The hatred developed from marking a victim who could not escape its fate, from ideology & words, through legal exclusion, violence & dehumanization.

Auschwitz took time.

[Stairway 2 7]

Lineker's hardly been silenced. I imagine he was asked to issue some sort of apology/acknowledgement re any offence caused but pretty much backed the BBC into a corner by doubling down. He can now walk away and say anything he likes unchecked. Might well work to his advantage. When you're in his sort of position there's an element of ego/untouchability.

I don't really get why anyone is surprised this has happened. What if he'd said something like 'Great to see the government really trying to get to grips with illegal migrants. Send 'em back'? There would have been a similar level of outcry and the BBC would have had to act the same way.

I think most civilised people think people should be able to call out repugnant issues. It took Marcus Rushford to help feed poor kids and Gary Lineker to pull up nazi policy. Which creeps actually vote for this lot

[Rumble de Thump]

The Tories, including the Tories running the BBC, are trying to pretend Lineker has publicly expressed a political opinion rather than simply stating facts. The idea that people at the BBC shouldn't state facts that are critical of the Conservative Government is exactly why the BBC has had a problem with impartiality for a long time.

[wookie70]

I don't really get why anyone is surprised this has happened. What if he'd said something like 'Great to see the government really trying to get to grips with illegal migrants. Send 'em back'? There would have been a similar level of outcry and the BBC would have had to act the same way.

Not a chance that they would take any action if that was his politics. This is a you scratch my back situation. The Director can make sure the BBC are even more Tory and give you a loan if you put me in that position of power. It is the old boys network sewing up the tiny amount left in the Britain they have trashed. They must have chosen to not sell the BBC as it is worth so much because of its ability to shape public opinion and promote pretty extreme right wing views under the cover of equal say and neutrality.

[Stairway 2 7]

Robert Peston
@Peston
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Labour: “The BBC’s cowardly decision to take Gary Lineker off air is an assault on free speech in the face of political pressure. Tory politicians lobbying to get people sacked for disagreeing with Government policies should be laughed at, not pandered to. BBC should rethink

[Bristolhibby]

Lineker's hardly been silenced. I imagine he was asked to issue some sort of apology/acknowledgement re any offence caused but pretty much backed the BBC into a corner by doubling down. He can now walk away and say anything he likes unchecked. Might well work to his advantage. When you're in his sort of position there's an element of ego/untouchability.

I don't really get why anyone is surprised this has happened. What if he'd said something like 'Great to see the government really trying to get to grips with illegal migrants. Send 'em back'? There would have been a similar level of outcry and the BBC would have had to act the same way.

The difference is what he is saying isn’t ****ish.

Your hypothetical Lineker is saying something truly awful. Real Gary is standing up for some of the poorest people around.

There’s a right and a wrong here. Real Gary is on the side of right. Hypothetical Gary is wrong.

J

[CropleyWasGod]

Here's the policy:

https://www.bbc.com/editorialguidelines/guidance/social-media/#personalactivity

Ta.

Still begs the question as to "why now, and not before?"

[greenginger]

Think there’s any chance the BBC will poach Steven Thomson and the other Sportscene goons for their Match of the Day show.

[CropleyWasGod]

Think there’s any chance the BBC will poach Steven Thomson and the other Sportscene goons for their Match of the Day show.

There's always a silver lining.....:greengrin

[Kato]

When you're in his sort of position there's an element of ego/untouchability.



How would you know this?

You persistently have to build straw men to fit strange arguments.


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[grunt]

Nicola Sturgeon sticks her oar in


As a strong supporter of public service broadcasting, I want to be able to defend the BBC. But the decision to take Gary Lineker off air is indefensible. It is undermining free speech in the face of political pressure - and it does always seem to be rightwing pressure it caves to.

[Bristolhibby]

Alan Shearer pulling out now. Gowan the lads!

✊🏻

J

[grunt]

So Gary Lineker can't comment on social media without the BBC's explicit permission. However, Fiona Bruce can apologise for Stanley Johnson being a wife beater, and breaking his wife's nose, on a BBC programme, without a single peep from the BBC.

[CropleyWasGod]

So Gary Lineker can't comment on social media without the BBC's explicit permission. However, Fiona Bruce can apologise for Stanley Johnson being a wife beater, and breaking his wife's nose, on a BBC programme, without a single peep from the BBC.

Alan Sugar? :greengrin

[wookie70]

Alan Shearer pulling out now. Gowan the lads!

✊🏻

J

I sometimes think footballers do more to hold the Tory Party to account than Labour do. Rashford, Lineker, Wright and Shearer are much more effective than Starmer ever will be.

[Stairway 2 7]

Bbc are coming down harder on Lineker than on Savile

[grunt]

I sometimes think footballers do more to hold the Tory Party to account than Labour do. Rashford, Lineker, Wright and Shearer are much more effective than Starmer ever will be.
:aok:

[Bristolhibby]

The BBC is making a right chunt of this and will look foolish when they eventually back down.

Who will be presenting MOTD at this rate? Braverman, Mogg and 30p Lee?

J

[Bostonhibby]

Bbc are coming down harder on Lineker than on SavilePwopa Tory was Jimmy.

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[Stairway 2 7]

Tories going to war with Gary Lineker and David Attenborough in one day the year before election campaigning is either brave or ******g stupid to me

[Kato]

Bbc are coming down harder on Lineker than on Savile

This is true. Savile was a jewel in the BBC crown however, very close friend of Margaret Thatcher, spent 11 consecutive hogmanays at No10, close confident and occasional flat-mate of the then Prince, now King Charles, turn-key to the Home Office, fund-raiser extraordinaire for Stroke Mandible Hospital and affiliate of police forces up and down the nation.

Abhorent pedo behaviour is nothing when you move in those circles. Saying, "mm, sounds like 30's Germany", is beyond the pale if you don't have that social net to cushion you.

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[CropleyWasGod]

Panic over.

Bob Servant has just tweeted that he will be presenting MOTD tomorrow, with Lulu.

[neil7908]

Suella to present MOTD tomorrow but only if she is allowed to edit out all the goals scored by non - English players.

[Kato]

Suella to present MOTD tomorrow but only if she is allowed to edit out all the goals scored by non - English players.She's a great big patriot.

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[GRA]

BBC really are scoring an own goal here for caving to right wing media pressure & pandering to the Tories because Lineker called out this abhorrent policy for what it is.

[Iain G]

Nicola Sturgeon sticks her oar in

Am no great Nicola fan but she is right here

This is madness and the rhetoeric from the Tories and their supporters is insane!

[Iain G]

This is true. Savile was a jewel in the BBC crown however, very close friend of Margaret Thatcher, spent 11 consecutive hogmanays at No10, close confident and occasional flat-mate of the then Prince, now King Charles, turn-key to the Home Office, fund-raiser extraordinaire for Stroke Mandible Hospital and affiliate of police forces up and down the nation.

Abhorent pedo behaviour is nothing when you move in those circles. Saying, "mm, sounds like early nazi speak", is beyond the pale if you don't have that social net to cushion you.

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He never used the word nazi at any point, despite what many media outlets are suggesting in their own spin. Urgh this is hateful.

[Stairway 2 7]

Alan Shearer confirms he will refuse to go on motd tomorrow. Getting to be a nightmare for the bbc this

[Kato]

He never used the word nazi at any point, despite what many media outlets are suggesting in their own spin. Urgh this is hateful.Paraphrasing.

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[Kato]

https://twitter.com/BarringtonMole/status/1634262305213915171?t=5s2kdyjWA9jhZHOlzVXruw&s=19

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[H18 SFR]

I would be very comfortable if LJ decided he didn’t want to contribute to the BBC along with other members of the football world.

[Iain G]

Paraphrasing.

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No, adding in offensive term that was never used by Lineker, it adds "weight" to his non offensive comments (to anyone other than the Tories) and is part of the change in context of what he said to what the Tories and chums want this to be to deflect from their shocking and inhuman policies. It's spin.

[Northernhibee]

“And now on BBC One, we go to Match of the Day, hosted by Rangers Football Club”

[Iain G]

“And now on BBC One, we go to Match of the Day, hosted by Rangers Football Club”

They may struggle to get anyone to host it, depending how close to GL they all are

[hibby rae]

They may struggle to get anyone to host it, depending how close to GL they all are

I would hope a lot of viewers boycott too

[hibby rae]

He never used the word nazi at any point, despite what many media outlets are suggesting in their own spin. Urgh this is hateful.

Nor did he mentioned the Holocaust, despite Braverman trying to create a narrative he did

[Rumble de Thump]

Alex Scott seems to be supporting Gary as well
https://twitter.com/AlexScott/status/1634264832852500488?s=20 (https://twitter.com/AlexScott/status/1634264832852500488?s=20)

[Stairway 2 7]

Lord Sugar is on bbc every Tuesday night he repeatedly said don't vote Jeremy Corbyn, he called the Cameroon football team looky looky men ect

michael_chessum
·
In 2011, Jeremy Clarkson called for striking workers to be "shot in front of their families". He continued to present Top Gear for another four years.

After criticising plans to criminalise asylum seekers, Gary Linekar has lasted three days

[Stairway 2 7]

Morgan is a prat but a broken clock ect

Piers Morgan
@piersmorgan
·
REMINDER:
BBC management told
@GaryLineker
to make political statements about Qatar’s human rights record at the start of the recent World Cup

[Iain G]

Nor did he mentioned the Holocaust, despite Braverman trying to create a narrative he did

Of course he didn't! They are trying to spin this into something that it isn't, it's a shocking tactic.

She is a ****, endof.

[Kato]

No, adding in offensive term that was never used by Lineker, it adds "weight" to his non offensive comments (to anyone other than the Tories) and is part of the change in context of what he said to what the Tories and chums want this to be to deflect from their shocking and inhuman policies. It's spin.Thanks. Edited

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[Kato]

Dup

[hibby rae]

Of course he didn't! They are trying to spin this into something that it isn't, it's a shocking tactic.

She is a ****, endof.

What annoyed me about her citing it is she is the same person who basically disregarded the criticism of an actual Holocaust survivor

[Bristolhibby]

What annoyed me about her citing it is she is the same person who basically disregarded the criticism of an actual Holocaust survivor

I know, it’s rank hypocrisy and totally crass. I find it even more unpalatable from the child of an immigrant to act like this. It’s the Tory way, I’m alright pull up the ladder and stamp on the fingers on the rungs.

J

[Stairway 2 7]

Ian Wright's tweet has been seen 14 million times in 2 hours and almost 400,000 likes from around the world. I've a feeling the BBC and the tories are having a stressful night tonight. No as stressful as someone crossing the chanel freezing cold and scared tonight mind you.

[marinello59]

Ian Wright's tweet has been seen 14 million times in 2 hours and almost 400,000 likes from around the world. I've a feeling the BBC and the tories are having a stressful night tonight. No as stressful as someone crossing the chanel freezing cold and scared tonight mind you.

I don’t think they expected Lineker to stick to his guns. Seeing Wright and Shearer back him up actually had me cheering.

[Iain G]

Ian Wright's tweet has been seen 14 million times in 2 hours and almost 400,000 likes from around the world. I've a feeling the BBC and the tories are having a stressful night tonight. No as stressful as someone crossing the chanel freezing cold and scared tonight mind you.

They picked a wrong target in Gary Lineker here.

It's part of the Tory tactic to undermine the BBC and make sure it peddles their messages, it's no longer impartial and that is such a sad loss to UK culture and a reflection on how ****ed the Tories are that they latch onto these comments to further their ends and deflect.

[Rumble de Thump]

Whoever hosts the show now will automatically be massively damaging their own reputation. It will need to be some sort of right wing grifter.

[CropleyWasGod]

Whoever hosts the show now will automatically be massively damaging their own reputation. It will need to be some sort of right wing grifter.

Le Tiss :greengrin

[Hibrandenburg]

BBC find suitable replacement for Lineker.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230310/0acf6ee0fba868f7c799295a2edda65a.jpg

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[grunt]

Alistair Campbell there

https://twitter.com/chrishainstock/status/1634252083892199437?s=20

[Stairway 2 7]

Alistair Campbell there

https://twitter.com/chrishainstock/status/1634252083892199437?s=20

What a slimey toad Ben Brown is here

[Rumble de Thump]

Alistair Campbell there

https://twitter.com/chrishainstock/status/1634252083892199437?s=20

It's something BBC news staff have been doing increasingly in recent years...introducing guests in such a way as to undermine anything they'll go on to say. They only do it with certain types of guests.

[hibsbollah]

A great piece by Barney Ronay here; ‘where are the politics here, in speaking out or staying silent?’. Indeed.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2023/mar/10/gary-lineker-bbc-suspension-match-of-the-day-comment

[Stairway 2 7]

One positive is many of your average Joe's wouldn't know about Richard Sharp and him funding the tories, they do now. BBC UK government affiliated media

[Scorrie]

Whoever hosts the show now will automatically be massively damaging their own reputation. It will need to be some sort of right wing grifter.

Laura Kuensberg, Fiona Bruce, Nick Robinson? I don’t normally watch MOTD but tomorrow could be interesting. Alan Shearer has also told the BBC to bolt

[Bristolhibby]

MOTD going to go ahead with no presenters or punditry.

A farce and all of Tory Auntie Beebs own making.

J

[Rumble de Thump]

MOTD going to go ahead with no presenters or punditry.

A farce and all of Tory Auntie Beebs own making.

J

It's either that or an Eastenders omnibus.

[Moulin Yarns]

MOTD going to go ahead with no presenters or punditry.

A farce and all of Tory Auntie Beebs own making.

J

Would probably make it more watchable, but #istandwithlineker so will boycott

[DaveF]

MOTD going to go ahead with no presenters or punditry.

A farce and all of Tory Auntie Beebs own making.

J

It would be good if the regular commentators also withdrew.

[Northernhibee]

It would be good if the regular commentators also withdrew.

Appears the PFA are willing to support players not fulfilling contracted media duties.

[Stairway 2 7]

Appears the PFA are willing to support players not fulfilling contracted media duties.

Brilliant, the situation has exploded. The joint tory bbc meeting's that will be taking place as we speak will be a hoot

[cabbageandribs1875]

panic over..

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/335372287_230456679368629_1605663294128717801_n.jp g?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=xQbP-7vbqzsAX-avuvE&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AfBqq_okyBgZijNQ68AaVL5qI7dO5xJgFHr1ii55s7Fg tQ&oe=641058DB

[Smartie]

I may be wrong but this all feels to me like the own goal of all own goals from the Tories and the BBC.

They might have been able to quietly pursue their agendas with the less observant not really being able to notice but they appear to have galvanised pretty much all the people who disagree with them with this move and shone a spotlight on themselves.

The Tories are toast, Lineker will return (if he wants to) and the BBC will be reformed into something more closely resembling what it should be.

[Northernhibee]

Brilliant, the situation has exploded. The joint tory bbc meeting's that will be taking place as we speak will be a hoot

It's worth remembering that most of these people are thick as mince. Oxford, Cambridge, Eton educated idiots who are well connected, getting into high up places because of who their daddy knows.

I'm not convinced that they'll realise how much they've ****ed this up yet.

[neil7908]

panic over..

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/335372287_230456679368629_1605663294128717801_n.jp g?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=xQbP-7vbqzsAX-avuvE&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AfBqq_okyBgZijNQ68AaVL5qI7dO5xJgFHr1ii55s7Fg tQ&oe=641058DB

😂😂😂😂😂

[Stairway 2 7]

26529

[archie]

For fans of W1A...https://twitter.com/hughbon/status/1634257734492372995 no

[degenerated]

They must be unable to find anyone to do it :hilarious26530

[Andy Bee]

It would be good if the regular commentators also withdrew.


They are. https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1634335304717926400

[Sylar]

Forgive me if it's been covered already, but in addition to the MOTD farce, Sir David Attenborough's latest docuseries 'Wild Isles' about the UK are facing the BBC cutting one of their episodes. It apparently touched on the flagrant disregard for England's waterways due to sewage discharges to rivers and coastal waters. The BBC felt it would be poorly received by the Government and right wing supporters.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/mar/10/david-attenborough-bbc-wild-isles-episode-rightwing-backlash-fears

2023 in the UK.

[Moulin Yarns]

Greg Dyke is now asked about whether the BBC not being able to control its highest paid presenter is an issue.

The former director general says "the money to some extent is irrelevant" as Lineker could make “far more” if he went elsewhere.

"There is a long established precedent in the BBC that if you are an entertainment presenter or a sports presenter then you are not bound by those same rules," he says.

"The real problem today is that the BBC has undermined its own credibility by doing this."

He says it could create the impression that the "BBC has bowed to government pressure".

[neil7908]

Greg Dyke is now asked about whether the BBC not being able to control its highest paid presenter is an issue.

The former director general says "the money to some extent is irrelevant" as Lineker could make “far more” if he went elsewhere.

"There is a long established precedent in the BBC that if you are an entertainment presenter or a sports presenter then you are not bound by those same rules," he says.

"The real problem today is that the BBC has undermined its own credibility by doing this."

He says it could create the impression that the "BBC has bowed to government pressure".

Spot on. And given the person speaking and their experience, I'll give his words far more credence than some hack journo on GB News.

[archie]

Forgive me if it's been covered already, but in addition to the MOTD farce, Sir David Attenborough's latest docuseries 'Wild Isles' about the UK are facing the BBC cutting one of their episodes. It apparently touched on the flagrant disregard for England's waterways due to sewage discharges to rivers and coastal waters. The BBC felt it would be poorly received by the Government and right wing supporters.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/mar/10/david-attenborough-bbc-wild-isles-episode-rightwing-backlash-fears

2023 in the UK.

This one has been debunked.

[Ozyhibby]

Linekar should stand against Braverman at the next election and the other three candidates in her seat should stand their candidates down. Would take out one of the safest Tory seats in England.


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[wookie70]

Linekar should stand against Braverman at the next election and the other three candidates in her seat should stand their candidates down. Would take out one of the safest Tory seats in England.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk That would need a miracle. She has nearly 2/3rds of the vote. https://members.parliament.uk/member/4475/electionresult Leicester doesn't have any Tory MPs to stand against fortunately/unfortunately

[Bostonhibby]

panic over..

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/335372287_230456679368629_1605663294128717801_n.jp g?_nc_cat=102&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5cd70e&_nc_ohc=xQbP-7vbqzsAX-avuvE&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AfBqq_okyBgZijNQ68AaVL5qI7dO5xJgFHr1ii55s7Fg tQ&oe=641058DBI can't see Bozo doing it without Laura Keunsberg swooning cosily in the co-presenters chair.

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[He's here!]

How would you know this?

You persistently have to build straw men to fit strange arguments.


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Is it a strange argument? There are plenty of high profile figures across all walks of life who have ended up hoist (or is it hoisted?) by their own petard.

Probably doesn't really apply to Lineker I guess, as he'll end up with much better offers elsewhere.

[Kato]

Is it a strange argument? There are plenty of high profile figures across all walks of life who have ended up hoist (or is it hoisted?) by their own petard.

Probably doesn't really apply to Lineker I guess, as he'll end up with much better offers elsewhere.

In that case why do you seek to smear him by saying he has an attitude where he feels he's "untouchable"? How do you know? Saying other high profile presenters have this attitude isn't evidence of Linekar's personality or behaviour.

You did the same on the trans thread but posting multiple times a day: "rapists", "trans", "rapists" "trans".

Straw man arguments. Your inventing stuff and it's and as hilarious as it is sinister.

What is your aim when doing this?

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[Ozyhibby]

That would need a miracle. She has nearly 2/3rds of the vote. https://members.parliament.uk/member/4475/electionresult Leicester doesn't have any Tory MPs to stand against fortunately/unfortunately

That’s on a massive Tory win in 2019. The way their numbers have yanked since is bound to take them below 50%.


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[grunt]

Breaking : @TheNewsAgents (https://twitter.com/TheNewsAgents)
understands 5live sport this afternoon is cancelled

[Stairway 2 7]

Breaking : @TheNewsAgents (https://twitter.com/TheNewsAgents)
understands 5live sport this afternoon is cancelled

Wow

[DaveF]

Breaking : @TheNewsAgents (https://twitter.com/TheNewsAgents)
understands 5live sport this afternoon is cancelled

Good.

[Rumble de Thump]

The Final Score presenter will also not be presenting this afternoon.

[Scorrie]

Football Focus now replaced with Bargain Hunt… Bristol Rovers have said they’re not speaking to BBC today as well

[NORTHERNHIBBY]

Hearing that Sueĺla Braverman wants MOTD to show a repeat of the Escape to Victory game, but with the players getting out through the tunnel, getting caught in The Channel and sent back where they came from.

[grunt]

This has been posted on Twitter, someone saying it's a response from the BBC Complaints Unit to them in 2020 when they asked about Andrew Neil posting on Twitter. I don't know if its real, but if it is, it goes against the guidance posted further up the thread

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fq7QWhsXsAE9QM8?format=jpg&name=large

[LewysGot2]

5 live key presenters also refusing to work

[Just Alf]

I note that not one of the related BBC articles allow "Have your say" comments from their customers. :rolleyes:

[wookie70]

That’s on a massive Tory win in 2019. The way their numbers have yanked since is bound to take them below 50%.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Similar scores in 2017. It is possible but there may be better places to do a Martin Lewis.

[stu in nottingham]

5 live key presenters also refusing to work

There is only one man who can save the BBC now.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxORyrNGZ0o&ab_channel=indobleh

[Glory Lurker]

There is only one man who can save the BBC now.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxORyrNGZ0o&ab_channel=indobleh

Never should have got rid. Just because someone got shot.

[Smartie]

Never should have got rid. Just because someone got shot.

It's been years since I saw it but did he not once present a small section with politicians (maybe on a Christmas special) where he was far from impartial? It was hilarious.

Or am I thinking of the time Roger Mellie presented Question Time?

[Glory Lurker]

It's been years since I saw it but did he not once present a small section with politicians (maybe on a Christmas special) where he was far from impartial? It was hilarious.

Or am I thinking of the time Roger Mellie presented Question Time?

I don't remember that but Viz have done a mock up today of Mellie hosting MOTD!

[stu in nottingham]

It's been years since I saw it but did he not once present a small section with politicians (maybe on a Christmas special) where he was far from impartial? It was hilarious.

Or am I thinking of the time Roger Mellie presented Question Time?

Maybe this one?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTXxjQpEYqM&ab_channel=comedyklips

[Smartie]

Maybe this one?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTXxjQpEYqM&ab_channel=comedyklips

Yes!!!!!!!

It makes me so happy to see that.

It must have left a mark on me, possibly influenced Fiona Bruce's presenting style as well.

[Glory Lurker]

Maybe this one?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTXxjQpEYqM&ab_channel=comedyklips

Vague memories now I see it. Sir Morris Christopher!

[stu in nottingham]

Yes!!!!!!!

It makes me so happy to see that.

It must have left a mark on me, possibly influenced Fiona Bruce's presenting style as well.

The debate prior to West Chalfont, Buckinghamshire. bi-election with Adrian 'Full Steam Ahead' Finch (Conservative) second left. :greengrin

[cabbageandribs1875]

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[hibsbollah]

Really good statement from the broadcast union.

Broadcasting union Bectu said the BBC’s handling of the impartiality row with Gary Lineker is “hugely disappointing” and feels it will “likely prove disastrous for its reputation”.

Philippa Childs, the head of Bectu, said: “Bectu has always been a staunch defender of the BBC and we are hugely proud of the important work our members do every day.

“However, the corporation’s handling of this crisis has been hugely disappointing and will likely prove disastrous for its reputation.”

She added the union body had previously written to the BBC’s director general about its concerns surrounding the corporation’s chairman, Richard Sharp, who recently became embroiled in a cronyism row over his part in helping Boris Johnson secure an £800,000 loan facility.

“Our members and no doubt many others who work at the BBC will be rightly confused why those at the highest levels of the corporation are apparently immune to the stringent guidelines applied to everyone else,” Childs said.

“Our thoughts are with all BBC staff at what we know is an incredibly challenging time, and we are here to support our members however we can.

“We fully understand the depth of feeling and why some freelancers will elect to not work on BBC sport programmes today or choose to join protests.

“The strength of feeling from both staff and members of the public should indicate to the corporation that its handling of the issue has been a massive misstep.”

[JimBHibees]

This one has been debunked.

Disputed rather than debunked

[Stairway 2 7]

Disputed rather than debunked

Definitely. The original press release last year said 6 episodes on bbc 1. It seems stunning that BBC would put an Attenborough program straight to iplayer, he's one of their most watched

[archie]

Definitely. The original press release last year said 6 episodes on bbc 1. It seems stunning that BBC would put an Attenborough program straight to iplayer, he's one of their most watched

BBC statement as quoted in the Guardian:

'In a statement provided after the story was first published, the BBC said: “This is totally inaccurate, there is no ‘sixth episode’. Wild Isles is – and always was – a five part series and does not shy away from environmental content. We have acquired a separate film for iPlayer from the RSPB and WWF and Silverback Films about people working to preserve and restore the biodiversity of the British Isles.”

Alastair Fothergill, the director of Silverback Films and the executive producer of Wild Isles, added: “The BBC commissioned a five-part Wild Isles series from us at Silverback Films back in 2017. The RSPB and WWF joined us as co-production partners in 2018.

It was not until the end of 2021 that the two charities commissioned Silverback Films to make a film for them that celebrates the extraordinary work of people fighting to restore nature in Britain and Ireland. The BBC acquired this film for iPlayer at the start of this year.”

[grunt]

Saw this on twitter and thought it quite interesting:


The BBC has really outlived its usefulness. “Inform, educate, entertain”. An informed electorate would not have voted for Brexit.

[Stairway 2 7]

BBC statement as quoted in the Guardian:

'In a statement provided after the story was first published, the BBC said: “This is totally inaccurate, there is no ‘sixth episode’. Wild Isles is – and always was – a five part series and does not shy away from environmental content. We have acquired a separate film for iPlayer from the RSPB and WWF and Silverback Films about people working to preserve and restore the biodiversity of the British Isles.”

Alastair Fothergill, the director of Silverback Films and the executive producer of Wild Isles, added: “The BBC commissioned a five-part Wild Isles series from us at Silverback Films back in 2017. The RSPB and WWF joined us as co-production partners in 2018.

It was not until the end of 2021 that the two charities commissioned Silverback Films to make a film for them that celebrates the extraordinary work of people fighting to restore nature in Britain and Ireland. The BBC acquired this film for iPlayer at the start of this year.”

I'd seen it was on the bbc website last year as being a six part
https://mobile.twitter.com/BillNeelyReport/status/1634567023865868295

It was obviously made separately but it seems mental bbc would chose not to air an Attenborough program on TV. Surely shows of the quality he's involved with are gold dust for them, the put on anything on bbc reruns ect

[archie]

I'd seen it was on the bbc website last year as being a six part
https://mobile.twitter.com/BillNeelyReport/status/1634567023865868295

It was obviously made separately but it seems mental bbc would chose not to air an Attenborough program on TV. Surely shows of the quality he's involved with are gold dust for them, the put on anything on bbc reruns ect

I thinknthe issue might have been that it was made by campaign groups?

[archie]

Saw this on twitter and thought it quite interesting:

The quote assumes that the BBC is the only purveyor of news.

[grunt]

The quote assumes that the BBC is the only purveyor of news.The quote implies that the BBC has failed in its primary objective if the electorate is ill-informed.

[archie]

The quote implies that the BBC has failed in its primary objective if the electorate is ill-informed.

Only if it bears sole responsibility for that.

[grunt]

Only if it bears sole responsibility for that.I still think he's got a good point.

[archie]

I still think he's got a good point.

I mean I don't support brexit, but people vote for a multiplicity of reasons. The remain campaign was the most establishment ever. Maybe the campaign has some responsibility here?

[Stairway 2 7]

I thinknthe issue might have been that it was made by campaign groups?

It was made by Silverback. It got funding from WWF and RSPB who are hardly fringe groups. I would understand that argument if the bbc hadn't acquired it, but they have and are airing it on iPlayer

[archie]

It was made by Silverback. It got funding from WWF and RSPB who are hardly fringe groups. I would understand that argument if the bbc hadn't acquired it, but they have and are airing it on iPlayer

But they are campagroups. It is their job. But I'm only going by what they are saying.

[Kato]

Nasty, hard left campaign groups threatening to save the environment.

Meanwhile on practically every news programme there is some grifter from the ERG or the IFS persuading people to vote themselves poorer and trash everything.

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[archie]

Nasty, hard left campaign groups threatening to save the environment.

Meanwhile on practically every news programme there is some grifter from the ERG or the IFS persuading people to vote themselves poorer and trash everything.

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OK but that's not the issue here.

[Just Alf]

And on the environment, there's even folks paying to upgrade their electricity feed so they can heat swimming pools... great way to encourage 'net zero'!

[Stairway 2 7]

But they are campagroups. It is their job. But I'm only going by what they are saying.

But they bought the program and are airing it so that excuse doesn't make sense

[Just Alf]

But they bought the program and are airing it so that excuse doesn't make senseIt does if the UK government thinks that it might make them look bad so put on some pressure to not air it.

[Kato]

OK but that's not the issue here.Campaign groups being given a platform on the BBC? Is that not the issue?

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[archie]

Campaign groups being given a platform on the BBC? Is that not the issue?

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Might be.