BBC bias again?

[Hiber-nation]

Sounds about right. And exactly what you'd expect from a political interviewer. 29 interruptions is a cakewalk compared to being interviewed by the likes of Andrew Neil or Jeremy Paxman.

Kuenssberg was right to push the point about the lack of appetite for a referendum next year because Sturgeon had no answer to that.

She should also have pulled her up on her rhetoric around the Tories mind you.

Kuenssberg didn't interrupt Truss once.

[He's here!]

Kuenssberg didn't interrupt Truss once.

Never saw the interview but that won't be the case.

[James310]

Never saw the interview but that won't be the case.

Yea, it isn't.

https://youtu.be/7szQjZzfUG0


First interruption at 43 seconds, not sure how many more.

[grunt]

is that about right ?

https://youtu.be/7xTMtMlPJKE

[marinello59]

It seems to me that everyone believes the bbc are biased in favour of the other side of the argument.

:agree:

[Hiber-nation]

Yea, it isn't.

https://youtu.be/7szQjZzfUG0


First interruption at 43 seconds, not sure how many more.

Well not too many that's for sure compared to the constant interrupting of Reeves and Sturgeon. I know someone who knows Kuenssberg's family. They're all Tories through and through!

[Hibrandenburg]

Kuenssberg didn't interrupt Truss once.

Truss interrupts herself, she took so long to answer a question I thought iplayer was buffering.

[wookie70]

It seems to me that everyone believes the bbc are biased in favour of the other side of the argument. How many right wing people saying it back it up with evidence. Saying it doesn't make it so.

[grunt]

BBC bias? BBC Scotland bias?

I was in the car this afternoon and thought I'd listen to Sturgeon's keynote speech at the SNP conference.
Turned on BBC Scotland expecting to hear it there.

It wasn't on Radio Scotland. Tbf I found it on Radio 5.

Am I wrong to expect to hear her speech live on the national broadcaster?

[JimBHibees]

No doubt in my mind there is bias. West of Scotland research into indy ref, Tory donors controlling bbc news editorial coverage as per Emily Maitlis speech and my eyes and ears.

[hibsbollah]

Its incredibly difficult to 'prove' bias. Unless someone owns up, its probably impossible:greengrin I think Nick Robinson 'fitting up' Salmond with the 'he didnt answer the question' and then the selective editing, came pretty close to being caught in the act, during the Independence referendum.

But saying 'Both sides complain about bias, so the broadcaster therefore is likely to be impartial' is such a weak argument its almost pointless arguing against it.

[Moulin Yarns]

BBC bias? BBC Scotland bias?

I was in the car this afternoon and thought I'd listen to Sturgeon's keynote speech at the SNP conference.
Turned on BBC Scotland expecting to hear it there.

It wasn't on Radio Scotland. Tbf I found it on Radio 5.

Am I wrong to expect to hear her speech live on the national broadcaster?

I watched it on broadcast Scotland on YouTube.

[Skol]

Its incredibly difficult to 'prove' bias. Unless someone owns up, its probably impossible:greengrin I think Nick Robinson 'fitting up' Salmond with the 'he didnt answer the question' and then the selective editing, came pretty close to being caught in the act, during the Independence referendum.

But saying 'Both sides complain about bias, so the broadcaster therefore is likely to be impartial' is such a weak argument its almost pointless arguing against it.

I only pointed out that all sides believe there is bbc bias. I didn’t say that meant they were impartial.

[hibsbollah]

I only pointed out that all sides believe there is bbc bias. I didn’t say that meant they were impartial.

I’m not sure the Tories actually, genuinely believe the BBC genuinely has a left wing bias, not anymore. Journalism is one of the most private school dominated professions there is, and the news output has been controlled by directors general and head of news by ex Tories for quite a few years now.

Back in the day, media studies courses were looked down at by the toffs as a modern degree that the new breed of late red brick unis and polytechnics were offering in the 60s and 70s. So a lot of people in early TV WERE left wing working class. These days journalists get their experience through internships that are unpaid and you need money behind you to get the experience to get on the ladder. And of course the media moguls are all of the millionaire and billionaire class. The Tories know this.

What is probably true is that the BBC doesn’t pick up working class issues or concerns or fashions as well, which is why it didn’t see Brexit coming, or reflect red wall concerns about immigration.

It’ll be interesting to see what starts to happen as Truss’ popularity continues falling through the floor. A lot of the Tory press have turned against her now, presumably as the hit to the markets mean their bottom line is being threatened. They might even have already decided Sir Keir is a safe pair of hands, for them at least.

[Stairway 2 7]

The conference has definitely got enough coverage now. The first ministers reply to suella Braverman has went absolutely viral. Well deserved too as it was absolutely brilliant, proud that that is our first minister saying that

[Ozyhibby]

The conference has definitely got enough coverage now. The first ministers reply to suella Braverman has went absolutely viral. Well deserved too as it was absolutely brilliant, proud that that is our first minister saying that

Hands down wins best conference speech by any of the three party leaders.


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[Dalianwanda]

You think IndyRef1 was rigged? How? Any evidence?

Its a thread about the BBC who's coverage of the IndyRef1 has already been shown to be biased.....Thats not rigging but it is a government tool promoting its agenda

[CropleyWasGod]

Maybe it's me, but I can't see this story on the BBC website.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/people/dunoon-grammar-school-wins-international-t4-education-worlds-best-school-prize-3885405

[James310]

Maybe it's me, but I can't see this story on the BBC website.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/people/dunoon-grammar-school-wins-international-t4-education-worlds-best-school-prize-3885405

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/63299629


It should be more prominent I agree.

[hibsbollah]

Maybe it's me, but I can't see this story on the BBC website.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/people/dunoon-grammar-school-wins-international-t4-education-worlds-best-school-prize-3885405

It’s been announced for more than 24 hours, if they finally trail the story all this time after the other outlets it’ll have been because they were bullied into it by the twitterverse.

[CropleyWasGod]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/63299629

It should be more prominent I agree.

Ta.

Good old John Craven :greengrin

[grunt]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/63299629


It should be more prominent I agree.The fact that this is reported on the BBC's page for children's news is plainly indicative of BBC bias in under-reporting Scottish Government good news. Thanks for highlighting this.

[James310]

The fact that this is reported on the BBC's page for children's news is plainly indicative of BBC bias in under-reporting Scottish Government good news. Thanks for highlighting this.

I am really shocked at your response!😂

[superfurryhibby]

I complained to the BBC about their coverage of the AUB march in Edinburgh, saying this.

"BBC SCotland coverage of AUB march in EDinburgh on  1/10/22

Why is there no news item, or twitter feed from BBC Scotland about the march for independence in Edinburgh on 1/10/22?

I don't watch TV and was wanting to read about the march, I can't find a single news feed from the BBC? "

The response.....

"
Thanks for contacting us with your comments regarding BBC News.

Many protests take place across the UK and the level of coverage each time will depend on a range of factors, including what other stories are on the news agenda.

All Under One Banner have had marches around Scotland on many Saturdays in the last few years and we have covered a number of these including marches in Edinburgh, Glasgow, Aberdeen, Stirling, Inverness, Galashiels, Dumfries and Oban.

The ongoing debate about whether Scotland should be independent is an important story which is given coverage across our news output.

On your comments about the Enough is Enough demonstrations, we would point you to the following coverage:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63102669

Thanks again for getting in touch. Complaints are shared with news teams and senior management every morning via our overnight reports.

Kind regards,

BBC Scotland Complaints Team
www.bbc.co.uk/complaints


I have no idea what "Enough is Enough " is and never commented on it at all.

They didn't answer my query at all. I specifically asked about the demo on 1/10/22 and why there was no coverage available.

Update: I complained about the response. It's totally as shoddy as their attempts at providing news coverage

[JeMeSouviens]

The fact that this is reported on the BBC's page for children's news is plainly indicative of BBC bias in under-reporting Scottish Government good news. Thanks for highlighting this.

You can tell it wasn't a BBC Scotland article. I mean imagine reporting about Dunoon and missing the chance to bring up ferries! Amateur hour. :rolleyes:

[degenerated]

Maybe it's me, but I can't see this story on the BBC website.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/people/dunoon-grammar-school-wins-international-t4-education-worlds-best-school-prize-3885405I noticed their lead story yesterday was a burst pipe on a block of flats rather than inflation hitting 10.1% or anything else newsworthy.

[grunt]

I am really shocked at your response!😂You agree with me? Take a look at the other stories on that website.

[hibsbollah]

BBC News summary of key events below. Reading this you would assume that nobody is calling for a general election and the only apparent possible scenario is another Tory appointee as PM.

Summary

Prime Minister Liz Truss has resigned as UK prime minister and leader of the Conservative Party in a statement outside Downing Street
She said she could not deliver the mandate on which she was elected as Tory leader and had notified the King that she was resigning
A Conservative leadership election will be completed within the next week, she said
"I will remain as prime minister until a successor has been chosen," she said
Her departure after 45 days in office makes her the shortest-serving PM in UK history
Truss's premiership has been in turmoil since her mini-budget last month, which rocked markets and was later scrapped by her new chancellor
The resignation of her home secretary on Wednesday and a chaotic vote in the Commons sealed her fate.

[Moulin Yarns]

BBC News summary of key events below. Reading this you would assume that nobody is calling for a general election and the only apparent possible scenario is another Tory appointee as PM.

Summary

Prime Minister Liz Truss has resigned as UK prime minister and leader of the Conservative Party in a statement outside Downing Street
She said she could not deliver the mandate on which she was elected as Tory leader and had notified the King that she was resigning
A Conservative leadership election will be completed within the next week, she said
"I will remain as prime minister until a successor has been chosen," she said
Her departure after 45 days in office makes her the shortest-serving PM in UK history
Truss's premiership has been in turmoil since her mini-budget last month, which rocked markets and was later scrapped by her new chancellor
The resignation of her home secretary on Wednesday and a chaotic vote in the Commons sealed her fate.


I'm still waiting for the 13:30 bbc scotland news!!!!

[weecounty hibby]

I'm still waiting for the 13:30 bbc scotland news!!!!

They're too busy checking to see if any ferry sailings have been cancelled.

[archie]

BBC News summary of key events below. Reading this you would assume that nobody is calling for a general election and the only apparent possible scenario is another Tory appointee as PM.

Summary

Prime Minister Liz Truss has resigned as UK prime minister and leader of the Conservative Party in a statement outside Downing Street
She said she could not deliver the mandate on which she was elected as Tory leader and had notified the King that she was resigning
A Conservative leadership election will be completed within the next week, she said
"I will remain as prime minister until a successor has been chosen," she said
Her departure after 45 days in office makes her the shortest-serving PM in UK history
Truss's premiership has been in turmoil since her mini-budget last month, which rocked markets and was later scrapped by her new chancellor
The resignation of her home secretary on Wednesday and a chaotic vote in the Commons sealed her fate.
They had Kirsten Oswald and Keir Starmer on calling for that very thing!

[Oscar T Grouch]

They had Kirsten Oswald and Keir Starmer on calling for that very thing!

So you would assume that they would include that in the summary of events on their website then?

[archie]

So you would assume that they would include that in the summary of events on their website then?It's all over the live feed. I think you could argue that it should be in the summary of events, but equally it's not an event in the sense that it's a political call rather than an event or process that has to happen. But I think it's disingenuous to say the BBC isn't covering it.

[grunt]

It's all over the live feed. I think you could argue that it should be in the summary of events, but equally it's not an event in the sense that it's a political call rather than an event or process that has to happen.

Amusing to see the contortions people go through to defend their viewpoint sometimes.

[James310]

Amusing to see the contortions people go through to defend their viewpoint sometimes.

Yes it is.

[hibsbollah]

It's all over the live feed. I think you could argue that it should be in the summary of events, but equally it's not an event in the sense that it's a political call rather than an event or process that has to happen. But I think it's disingenuous to say the BBC isn't covering it.

I’m not claiming they are actually refusing to broadcast Starmers speech, like he was a member of Sinn Fein in the 1980s :faf: But as a central story the call for a GE has clearly been underplayed. It should be the main headline; ‘Truss Resigns, Opposition Parties Demand General Election’. Not ‘Truss Resigns, blah blah there’s going to be another circle jerk off among the grey rinse brigade blah blah Boris might be next blah blah’..

But we all know we don’t get those kind of headlines on the BBC.

[archie]

I’m not claiming they are actually refusing to broadcast Starmers speech, like he was a member of Sinn Fein in the 1980s :faf: But as a central story the call for a GE has clearly been underplayed. It should be the main headline; ‘Truss Resigns, Opposition Parties Demand General Election’. Not ‘Truss Resigns, blah blah there’s going to be another circle jerk off among the grey rinse brigade blah blah Boris might be next blah blah’..

But we all know we don’t get those kind of headlines on the BBC.You're right. I wouldn't expect 'circle jerk off' headlines on the BBC. But while I strongly feel there should be a general election, the reality is that that there is no requirement to have one. So the call for it is not a key event. But the reality is that you will find bias wherever you want to find it. I think this is a weak example, given the wide range of coverage of the call for an election.

[archie]

Amusing to see the contortions people go through to defend their viewpoint sometimes.I don't see precision and accuracy as contortions.

[grunt]

But as a central story the call for a GE has clearly been underplayed. It should be the main headline; ‘Truss Resigns, Opposition Parties Demand General Election’. Not ‘Truss Resigns, blah blah there’s going to be another circle jerk off among the grey rinse brigade blah blah Boris might be next blah blah’..


It's a clear example of BBC bias as per the subject of this thread.

[grunt]

I don't see precision and accuracy as contortions.

You don't think the last two bullets in the BBC summary are political calls? Truss didn't say why she was resigning, just referred to "this situation". So it's a political call to say she resigned over the vote last night.

So you're happy with some political calls but not others?

[hibsbollah]

You're right. I wouldn't expect 'circle jerk off' headlines on the BBC. But while I strongly feel there should be a general election, the reality is that that there is no requirement to have one. So the call for it is not a key event. But the reality is that you will find bias wherever you want to find it. I think this is a weak example, given the wide range of coverage of the call for an election.

Fair enough, we all have different takes. But the first mental reaction that is stimulated by these headlines isn’t ‘FFS why aren’t we being asked to VOTE for the prime minister?’ it’s instead ‘I wonder who will be the next guy’? It’s always the first question that stays in the brain the longest.

[archie]

You don't think the last two bullets in the BBC summary are political calls? Truss didn't say why she was resigning, just referred to "this situation". So it's a political call to say she resigned over the vote last night.

So you're happy with some political calls but not others?I'll spell it out as I see it. Truss has resigned. This is a key event. As a result there needs to be a process to appoint a new leader. This process will require a number of 'events' to make it happen. Because of our constitutional arrangements there is no requirement to have a general election. Unless the Governement called an election or lost a no confidence motion this won't happen. So the general election is not an event that is arising from her resignation/firing. But the reality is you want to see bias.

[archie]

Fair enough, we all have different takes. But the first mental reaction that is stimulated by these headlines isn’t ‘FFS why aren’t we being asked to VOTE for the prime minister?’ it’s instead ‘I wonder who will be the next guy’? It’s always the first question that stays in the brain the longest.Same as here. When former FM resigned it was a vote at Holyrood that installed FM.

[hibsbollah]

Same as here. When former FM resigned it was a vote at Holyrood that installed FM.

I think the circumstances are entirely different. One was during a period of relative seamless transition when there was a clear mandate for that party and it’s policies. The other is this current chaotic shambles where the ruling party is historically unpopular, there’s real concern about economic free fall and a revolving door of leaders and ministers. It’s a crisis of legitimacy.

[archie]

I think the circumstances are entirely different. One was during a period of relative seamless transition when there was a clear mandate for that party and it’s policies. The other is this current chaotic shambles where the ruling party is historically unpopular, there’s real concern about economic free fall and a revolving door of leaders and ministers. It’s a crisis of legitimacy.
I don't disagree with you, but in both cases the formal requirements were met.

[grunt]

I'll spell it out as I see it. Truss has resigned. This is a key event. I've been unnecessarily bolshie and I apologise. I agree, it has been an event, and the BBC needs to report it. But in their summary I think - like Hibsbollah - that the response that the Tories now need to choose someone else displays a needless bias towards the Tories. When Starmer, Davey, Blackford and indeed Sturgeon all come out publicly and call for an election, I think these responses are events worth including in the summary of today's events. That's all.

[grunt]

I think the circumstances are entirely different. One was during a period of relative seamless transition when there was a clear mandate for that party and it’s policies. The other is this current chaotic shambles where the ruling party is historically unpopular, there’s real concern about economic free fall and a revolving door of leaders and ministers. It’s a crisis of legitimacy.:agree:

There's also the very relevant issue about the manifesto which is being - or not being - followed. No one - not even Tory voters - voted for the activities of this Tory Government.

[hibsbollah]

I don't disagree with you, but in both cases the formal requirements were met.

Uhuh. And the formal requirements are insufficient for the crisis at hand. Which often happens when you don’t have a proper constitution and instead rely on the gentleman myth.

[archie]

Uhuh. And the formal requirements are insufficient for the crisis at hand. Which often happens when you don’t have a proper constitution and instead rely on the gentleman myth.That might be right, but I don't see much 'gentlemanly' behaviour at the moment! BTW - what would you want - a change of leader automatically leads to a general election? I'm asking because I think it's quite hard to have a constitution that can be flexible enough to cover circumstances like the chaos we have now vs a PM/FM dying suddenly in otherwise stable times.

[archie]

I've been unnecessarily bolshie and I apologise. No need, but thanks you. Given I've been called an 'Erchie' in the last 24hours that's quite gentle.:wink:

[degenerated]

They're too busy checking to see if any ferry sailings have been cancelled.Or if a garden gnome has been chored in Nicola Sturgeons constituency

[hibsbollah]

That might be right, but I don't see much 'gentlemanly' behaviour at the moment! BTW - what would you want - a change of leader automatically leads to a general election? I'm asking because I think it's quite hard to have a constitution that can be flexible enough to cover circumstances like the chaos we have now vs a PM/FM dying suddenly in otherwise stable times.

No, absolutely not, that would be a presidential system of government, we vote a party. But there has to be an understanding when a PM steps down that there has to be an even tighter alignment with the manifesto they were elected on than would normally be expected from a leader. This idea that Truss could just slap a libertarian ‘make the rich richer’ promise and put it to Tory members and THAT was all the mandate that were needed, when Johnson was elected on a mandate on ‘levelling up’ and spending increases?? It was always going to be rejected as a step too far. There has to be non partisan state mechanisms to ensure that elections reflect the will of the people.

Getting off the point, which is the bbc should be reflecting those concerns which are fairly widespread tbh, even in the nasty party.

[Hiber-nation]

Sky coverage this afternoon has been way more biased than BBC with more than one of their correspondents basically mocking calls for an Election. Surprisingly enough the BBC have covered the shambles pretty well to be fair.

[archie]

No, absolutely not, that would be a presidential system of government, we vote a party. But there has to be an understanding when a PM steps down that there has to be an even tighter alignment with the manifesto they were elected on than would normally be expected from a leader. This idea that Truss could just slap a libertarian ‘make the rich richer’ promise and put it to Tory members and THAT was all the mandate that were needed, when Johnson was elected on a mandate on ‘levelling up’ and spending increases?? It was always going to be rejected as a step too far. There has to be non partisan state mechanisms to ensure that elections reflect the will of the people.

Getting off the point, which is the bbc should be reflecting those concerns which are fairly widespread tbh, even in the nasty party.Interesting response. This isn't one for forum knockabout. I do wonder though, given we have up to 5 year parliaments, how we take account of events. It's difficult to meet manifesto commitments when COVID then Ukraine intervene. I get your frustration, but suspect it's not an easy fix

[Santa Cruz]

Sky coverage this afternoon has been way more biased than BBC with more than one of their correspondents basically mocking calls for an Election. Surprisingly enough the BBC have covered the shambles pretty well to be fair.

Patch them all and tune in to News at 10. That Tom Bradbury looks like he's on the verge of going full tonto. Actually love him, only problem is I'm so busy concentrating on his reaction, it distracts me from the bulletin.

[heretoday]

I dunno about BBC bias but I do find the obvious relish the boys and girls in the media are displaying in the midst of all this chaos nauseating. Most of the ones on our screens are holding down huge salaries and have no fears about mortgages or rents or bills like the rest of us.

[SHODAN]

I dunno about BBC bias but I do find the obvious relish the boys and girls in the media are displaying in the midst of all this chaos nauseating. Most of the ones on our screens are holding down huge salaries and have no fears about mortgages or rents or bills like the rest of us.

Minutes after Truss resigned on Five Live they had some cut glass private school reporter on who could barely contain her glee.

They're all delighted they get to do their Gossip Girl style tattle reporting on the Westminster bubble again. Absolutely no concern about how this affects anyone in the country, and why should they? It won't have any impact on them.

[He's here!]

It's all over the live feed. I think you could argue that it should be in the summary of events, but equally it's not an event in the sense that it's a political call rather than an event or process that has to happen. But I think it's disingenuous to say the BBC isn't covering it.

Indeed. Hardly headline-grabbing shock news that the opposition leaders are calling for an election. What else would anyone expect from them?

I watched the BBC news last night and Starmer got plenty of coverage while they also devoted a section to what the leaders of the devolved nations were saying. Seemed like a balanced package overall.

What did strike me was how leaden Starmer is as he delivered his soundbites. Dull but competent could only be an improvement on what we have but he really lacks spark.

[grunt]

Indeed. Hardly headline-grabbing shock news that the opposition leaders are calling for an election. What else would anyone expect from them?So that's your justification for not reporting it?


I watched the BBC news last night and Starmer got plenty of coverage while they also devoted a section to what the leaders of the devolved nations were saying. Seemed like a balanced package overall. 9 hours later.


What did strike me was how leaden Starmer is as he delivered his soundbites. Dull but competent could only be an improvement on what we have but he really lacks spark.Absolutely! Truss was an oratorical superstar in comparison.

Actually, I suggest you focus on what these politicians do rather than what they say. Over the last 6 years the Tories have refined the art of saying what the electorate wants to hear and doing the exact opposite.

[He's here!]

I dunno about BBC bias but I do find the obvious relish the boys and girls in the media are displaying in the midst of all this chaos nauseating. Most of the ones on our screens are holding down huge salaries and have no fears about mortgages or rents or bills like the rest of us.

Bit harsh I think. Most political correspondents are self confessed geeks but there are a lot of very decent journalists among them and I think most earn their corn in today's crazily fast-paced 24-hour rolling news/social media-driven world where every minute of every day has to be filled, not only by the latest news but by the requirement to pull together more in-depth/reflective analysis as they go. Only the really top journalists will be paid hefty salaries while many will have similar family/mortgage/bills issues to the rest of us.

[He's here!]

So that's your justification for not reporting it?

9 hours later.

Absolutely! Truss was an oratorical superstar in comparison.

Actually, I suggest you focus on what these politicians do rather than what they say. Over the last 6 years the Tories have refined the art of saying what the electorate wants to hear and doing the exact opposite.

I'm unclear why you think it wasn't reported. When I tuned into the BBC live feed of Truss's resignation yesterday the calls by opposition leaders for an election appeared pretty much immediately afterwards. The PM's resignation was the story of the day, however. That seems pretty obvious.

[archie]

The more I think about it, the worst example of bias is Krishnan Guru-murthy. Why? Channel 4 is fighting a battle against being privatised. The change in PM could give them a chance. And he goes and gives every opponent of Channel 4 ammunition and reinforces their prejudices. And before people come on and say he was only saying what people were thinking, imagine the (justified) outrage if he had said that about FM.

[grunt]

I'm unclear why you think it wasn't reported. We were talking about the BBC Summary of events published after Truss' speech.

[He's here!]

The more I think about it, the worst example of bias is Krishnan Guru-murthy. Why? Channel 4 is fighting a battle against being privatised. The change in PM could give them a chance. And he goes and gives every opponent of Channel 4 ammunition and reinforces their prejudices. And before people come on and say he was only saying what people were thinking, imagine the (justified) outrage if he had said that about FM.

Good point.

[grunt]

The more I think about it, the worst example of bias is Krishnan Guru-murthy. Why? Channel 4 is fighting a battle against being privatised. The change in PM could give them a chance. And he goes and gives every opponent of Channel 4 ammunition and reinforces their prejudices. And before people come on and say he was only saying what people were thinking, imagine the (justified) outrage if he had said that about FM.


Good point.Molehill.

[Just Alf]

Molehill.


Especially as Chan 4 give all parties a difficult time... just wish all news sources were as robust in their questioning.

Mind you from a tory perspective they're always going to have a downer on Ch4.... remember throughout the covid briefings the PM accidentally forgot to let them ask a question!

Sure it was a CH4 reporter that was the reason for Boris' "Fridge incident"!

[Andy Bee]

Especially as Chan 4 give all parties a difficult time... just wish all news sources were as robust in their questioning.

Mind you from a tory perspective they're always going to have a downer on Ch4.... remember throughout the covid briefings the PM accidentally forgot to let them ask a question!

Sure it was a CH4 reporter that was the reason for Boris' "Fridge incident"!

That was ITV Good Morning Britain and Piers Morgan. Boris wouldn't appear on the programme so they stalked him to an appointment he had at some dairy type unit and walked into a fridge to get away from the reporter.

[archie]

Molehill.
So if had called FM that you would be cool with It? My point was broader than the swearing. It has given every Channel 4 bashing Tory confirmation of their prejudice. When you are facing privatisation that's a really dumb move.

[He's here!]

So if he had called FM that you would be cool with It? My point was broader than the swearing. It has given every Channel 4 bashing Tory confirmation of their prejudice. When you are facing privatisation that's a really dumb move.

Indeed. And it's telling how rapidly C4 moved to suspend him. They know such stupidity could put them on thin ice.

[greenlex]

So if had called FM that you would be cool with It? My point was broader than the swearing. It has given every Channel 4 bashing Tory confirmation of their prejudice. When you are facing privatisation that's a really dumb move.

To be fair he called person a ****. I think that’s fair enough if he thinks he is. It appears he is not alone in thinking that. If he had called him a Tory **** that might have been different.

[Kato]

Indeed. And it's telling how rapidly C4 moved to suspend him. They know such stupidity could put them on thin ice.Do you think it's fair the fate of a broadcaster comes down to the behaviour of one employee? Given the case for privatisation of channel 4 was purely in the imagination of one MP seems a bit draconian.

Sent from my SM-A528B using Tapatalk

[archie]

Do you think it's fair the fate of a broadcaster comes down to the behaviour of one employee? Given the case for privatisation of channel 4 was purely in the imagination of one MP seems a bit draconian.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkNo. But if you want to create a narrative about a publically owned TV station being biased you couldn't do it much better. And that supportes the wider policy intention. Again, OK if he had called FM the same?

[archie]

To be fair he called person a ****. I think that’s fair enough if he thinks he is. It appears he is not alone in thinking that. If he had called him a Tory **** that might have been different.Is it though? He's not in the pub or the Holy Ground. He's working in a news programme on a publically owned TV station. As I've posed to others, are you as relaxed if he said that about FM?

[grunt]

But if you want to create a narrative about a publically owned TV station being biased you couldn't do it much better. And that supportes the wider policy intention. This is the bit I disagree with. The off air comment of a single presenter would not have any impact on narrative around privatising C4. IMO. I also don't believe there is a "wider policy intention". It was the ravings of a single MP, designed to divert attention from Government activities.


OK if he had called FM the same?1. This appears to me to be such an unlikely scenario it's barely worth considering. 2. If he did, no one would bat an eye. 3. I strongly doubt any Scottish Government would use it to create a political narrative about the future of the company.

[archie]

This is the bit I disagree with. The off air comment of a single presenter would not have any impact on narrative around privatising C4. IMO. I also don't believe there is a "wider policy intention". It was the ravings of a single MP, designed to divert attention from Government activities.
https://news.sky.com/story/government-expected-to-sell-channel-4-as-public-ownership-is-holding-it-back-12582450


. This appears to me to be such an unlikely scenario it's barely worth considering. 2. If he did, no one would bat an eye. 3. I strongly doubt any Scottish Government would use it to create a political narrative about the future of the company. Really - no-one would bat an eye!? You're at it!

[James310]

https://news.sky.com/story/government-expected-to-sell-channel-4-as-public-ownership-is-holding-it-back-12582450

Really - no-one would bat an eye!? You're at it!
This place would be in meltdown. The usual talking down Scotland and how disrespectful to Scotland etc.

[Just Alf]

This is the bit I disagree with. The off air comment of a single presenter would not have any impact on narrative around privatising C4. IMO. I also don't believe there is a "wider policy intention". It was the ravings of a single MP, designed to divert attention from Government activities.

1. This appears to me to be such an unlikely scenario it's barely worth considering. 2. If he did, no one would bat an eye. 3. I strongly doubt any Scottish Government would use it to create a political narrative about the future of the company.

Added to the fact he apologised, which was accepted, then CH4 was still contacted and asked to sack him.

[grunt]

https://news.sky.com/story/government-expected-to-sell-channel-4-as-public-ownership-is-holding-it-back-12582450
Did you even read this article? It supports my view:


Nadine Dorries said she had concluded "that government ownership is holding Channel 4 back from competing against streaming giants like Netflix and Amazon".


Really - no-one would bat an eye!? You're at it!S'funny you should say that. It was what I was thinking about your post when responding to it.

What I mean is that, obviously there would be instant screeching from people whose job it is to prolong such news stories, but it would blow over very quickly. NS herself, if she responded at all, would dismiss it as of no importance. As is the case now with the KGM story, it's history.

[Kato]

No. But if you want to create a narrative about a publically owned TV station being biased you couldn't do it much better. And that supportes the wider policy intention. Again, OK if he had called FM the same?

So creating a narrative is part of this government's tactics. Good to know that.

You've not asked me before but I couldn't give a monkeys what anyone calls the FM. As long as its accurate.

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[archie]

So creating a narrative is part of this government's tactics. Good to know that.

You've not asked me before but I couldn't give a monkeys what anyone calls the FM. As long as its accurate.

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I see the sarcasm, but I don't get it. To be clear, I'm not saying Channel 4 is up for privatisation because of the comment. But insulting a Government minister isn't smart tactics. And given the Tories paranoia about broadcast media (whether real or for effect) it provides grist to the mill. All in my view of course.

[Moulin Yarns]

So creating a narrative is part of this government's tactics. Good to know that.

You've not asked me before but I couldn't give a monkeys what anyone calls the FM. As long as its accurate.

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Which it was in the case being discussed. 👍

[Kato]

I see the sarcasm, but I don't get it. To be clear, I'm not saying Channel 4 is up for privatisation because of the comment. But insulting a Government minister isn't smart tactics. And given the Tories paranoia about broadcast media (whether real or for effect) it provides grist to the mill. All in my view of course.The tactics will only become clear if the Tory Party cling onto power.

I'd suggest a paranoid, mendacious govt toying with a major broadcasters funding status is a way bigger story than some industrial language.

It should be of more concern but a lot of people have been inured to the doings of this bunch of jokers.

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[Kato]

Which it was in the case being discussed. [emoji106]Without doubt.

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[archie]

The tactics will only become clear if the Tory Party cling onto power.

I'd suggest a paranoid, mendacious govt toying with a major broadcasters funding status is a way bigger story than some industrial language.

It should be of more concern but a lot of people have been inured to the doings of this bunch of jokers.

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I'm genuinely puzzled why you think I'm defending the Tories. Also I'm surprised that people think that Channel 4 privatisation isn't on the agenda. I'll leave you with an example of where the exposition can obscure the message. Samantha Bee had a political show in the US. She had a story about Ivanka Trump being no liberal and people should have no faith in her. She called Ivanka Trump a ' feckless c***'. That became the story rather than the substance. Her show has now been cancelled.

[archie]

Without doubt.

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Spectacularly missing the point.

[greenlex]

Is it though? He's not in the pub or the Holy Ground. He's working in a news programme on a publically owned TV station. As I've posed to others, are you as relaxed if he said that about FM?
You do know it wasn’t part of the actual interview and an “unguarded “ comment on an open mic after the **** was shouting across the street at him about his line of questioning? Not a fan of the FM and A **** is a **** in my book whoever it is.

[Kato]

Spectacularly missing the point.Or just don't think it's all that big a deal.

Broadcasters living in fear of a paranoic Govt is more of a concern to me.

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[archie]

Or just don't think it's all that big a deal.

Broadcasters living in fear of a paranoic Govt is more of a concern to me.

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So don't fuel the paranoia!

[archie]

You do know it wasn’t part of the actual interview and an “unguarded “ comment on an open mic after the **** was shouting across the street at him about his line of questioning? Not a fan of the FM and A **** is a **** in my book whoever it is.

I do. I don't see how this makes it better.

[Kato]

So don't fuel the paranoia!So we should all shut up in case we insult their sense of propriety?

Nah.

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[grunt]

I do. I don't see how this makes it better.Can you explain just why this particular outburst feels so important to you? Because it seems barely newsworthy to me.

[archie]

Can you explain just why this particular outburst feels so important to you? Because it seems barely newsworthy to me.I think it legitimises the more bonkers paranoia. How does KGM handle any interview in future? It will be spun against channel 4. Which is why he was suspended. So someone is taking it seriously. I think people are relaxed about it because they agree. But we're not public figures. I also don't buy the we wouldn't care if it was said about FM. Look at the firestorm that engulfed Sarah Smith. And given the hair trigger reaction people on here have to perceptions of bias, I am surprised at the 'nothing to see here' tone. More generally, I'm saddened at the coarsening of public discourse. But I suppose that makes me old fashioned.

[grunt]

More generally, I'm saddened at the coarsening of public discourse.
Well let's hope you weren't watching C4 last night then.

[Kato]

Look at the firestorm that engulfed Sarah Smith.

Did she call someone a bad name? Or did she misrepresent facts?

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[archie]

Did she call someone a bad name? Or did she misrepresent facts?

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkShe used a clumsy term that FM had 'enjoyed the opportunity to set covid rules...'.

[Kato]

She used a clumsy term that FM had 'enjoyed the opportunity to set covid rules...'.No, I think she had to retract things she said on telly on multiple occasions. It didn't appear clumsy at all.

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[grunt]

Did she call someone a bad name? Or did she misrepresent facts?This.


She used a clumsy term that FM had 'enjoyed the opportunity to set covid rules...'.Not clumsy, a political attack. One of many from the BBC in Scotland against the SNP and Scottish Government. We have a whole thread about it in the Holy Ground.

[Kato]

Having looked back not seeing the equivalence between the KGM thing during the week and Sarah Smith's persistent twisting of words. Smith had to apologise multiple times but then blamed any criticism of her on "misogyny". A messy episode altogether.

Strange comparison to tell the truth.

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[He's here!]

I think it legitimises the more bonkers paranoia. How does KGM handle any interview in future? It will be spun against channel 4. Which is why he was suspended. So someone is taking it seriously. I think people are relaxed about it because they agree. But we're not public figures. I also don't buy the we wouldn't care if it was said about FM. Look at the firestorm that engulfed Sarah Smith. And given the hair trigger reaction people on here have to perceptions of bias, I am surprised at the 'nothing to see here' tone. More generally, I'm saddened at the coarsening of public discourse. But I suppose that makes me old fashioned.

Yep, that's what it boils down to. Vastly experienced journalist calling a Tory Brexiteer a **** is no big deal because some folk agree with him, but a rolling news BBC summary of Liz Truss's resignation (which was most likely updated half an hour later) omits to mention that Nicola Sturgeon called for a general election...well that really is beyond the pale.

KGM was rightly suspended. He should know better than to be caught out by an off air comment no matter his personal opinions. Highly unprofessional.

Incidentally I actually met the guy about 20 years ago when I was on a stag night in Edinburgh. We somehow ended up in the George Hotel bar where the TV festival folk were gathered and one of our party from London knew him. I had no idea who he was so when I got introduced to him I asked, for the sake of conversation: "So what do you do Krishnan?" He just looked at me, turned to my mate and said: "Seriously?" before walking away :greengrin Arrogant **** basically.

[archie]

Having looked back not seeing the equivalence between the KGM thing during the week and Sarah Smith's persistent twisting of words. Smith had to apologise multiple times but then blamed any criticism of her on "misogyny". A messy episode altogether.

Strange comparison to tell the truth.

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So a clumsy use of words sects off, in your mind, a legitimate political firestorm, while a sweary rant about a government minister is nothing to see here'. Differential standards at play I think.

[archie]

This.

Not clumsy, a political attack. One of many from the BBC in Scotland against the SNP and Scottish Government. We have a whole thread about it in the Holy Ground.

That's your opinion of course. Not a fact.

[archie]

As an aside, when on my phone I've gone to reply and instead pressed the report button. I think I've caught it, but for the avoidance of and doubt, I'm not reporting anyone!

[grunt]

That's your opinion of course. Not a fact.
Sure. Pretty much everything I post here is my opinion. I often add "IMO" to posts, but the absence of IMO should not be taken as me representing my posts as fact.

[grunt]

So a clumsy use of words sects off, in your mind, a legitimate political firestorm, while a sweary rant about a government minister is nothing to see here'. Differential standards at play I think.
Dear oh dear. One was a scripted speech to camera - one of a series of political snide comments that eventually resulted in the reporter being transferred halfway around the world - and one was an off air private comment. IMO.

[Moulin Yarns]

Dear oh dear. One was a scripted speech to camera - one of a series of political snide comments that eventually resulted in the reporter being transferred halfway around the world - and one was an off air private comment. IMO.

I would liken what Smith did to a barrister in court leading the jury in a direction with the questions. The opposite barrister can object but the damage is done, what barrister 1 said is in the minds of the jury correctly or not, doesn't matter that the objection was sustained.

[grunt]

Yep, that's what it boils down to. Vastly experienced journalist calling a Tory Brexiteer a **** is no big deal because folk agree with him, but a rolling news BBC summary of Liz Truss's resignation (which was most likely updated half an hour later) omits to mention that Nicola Sturgeon called for a general election...well that really is beyond the pale.You're the one comparing the two situations. I'm not. The first was an off air comment and the second was a piece of published output no doubt signed off by senior staff. Different scenes. The first thing has no bearing on whether the second thing was an example of BBC bias.


KGM was rightly suspended. He should know better than to be caught out by an off air comment no matter his personal opinions. Highly unprofessional.Would that we were all held to such high standards.


Incidentally I actually met the guy about 20 years ago when I was on a stag night in Edinburgh. We somehow ended up in the George Hotel bar where the TV festival folk were gathered and one of our party from London knew him. I had no idea who he was so when I got introduced to him I asked, for the sake of conversation: "So what do you do Krishnan?" He just looked at me, turned to my mate and said: "Seriously?" before walking away :greengrin Arrogant **** basically.Have to admit I find this story amusing.

[archie]

I would liken what Smith did to a barrister in court leading the jury in a direction with the questions. The opposite barrister can object but the damage is done, what barrister 1 said is in the minds of the jury correctly or not, doesn't matter that the objection was sustained.I'm sure you would!

[Moulin Yarns]

I'm sure you would!

How would you describe it if not like that?

[archie]

How would you describe it if not like that?
As above - clumsy and open to interpretation.

[Moulin Yarns]

As above - clumsy and open to interpretation.

I bow to your superior knowledge.


A BBC lead news (https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/homenews/) item about Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon breached broadcasting rules, Ofcom has said.
The watchdog stated in a ruling issued on Monday that the BBC had made a “significant mistake” which it failed to acknowledge or correct on air.
Sarah Smith, the BBC's former Scotland editor, made the error saying that Mr Salmond, now the leader of the pro-independence Alba Party, had said Ms Sturgeon should resign as First Minister.
However, Mr Salmond did not call for his successor to go, saying it was not a decision for him.




“News must be reported with due accuracy,” said a spokesperson for Ofcom. “This program broke our rules by including a significant inaccurate statement that was not acknowledged or corrected on air.”
“Our investigation also uncovered differences between the BBC’s published final decision on the program and its response to a particular complainant. The BBC must be transparent in how it handles and resolves complaints, and we will consider this case as part of our review of BBC regulation”.
“Our investigation found the BBC’s editorial guidelines do not clearly reflect our requirements around on-air corrections and the BBC should amend its editorial guidelines to tackle this. We intend to discuss this matter further with the BBC as a priority.”




Her use of language led her intro trouble during her 10pm national news report, when she said: “The Scottish Government say like all the UK nations they base their advice on expert advice that they are given and it's got nothing to do with politics (https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/) but it has been obvious that Nicola Sturgeon has enjoyed the opportunity to set her own lockdown rules and not have to follow what's happening in England or other parts of the UK."


I do not believe that @NicolaSturgeon (https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon)
is enjoying this crisis. I had meant to say on the ten o’clock news that she has “embraced” the opportunity to make a policy unique to Scotland. I said “enjoyed” by mistake. Not suggesting she is enjoying crisis but embracing devolution





Everything she said in the above cases was wrong, but you are evidence that it has stuck in your mind, just like the barrister misleading the jury.

[archie]

I bow to your superior knowledge.









Everything she said in the above cases was wrong, but you are evidence that it has stuck in your mind, just like the barrister misleading the jury.No need for sarcasm. I think the multi quotes relate to two incidents. In the first she made an error and was rightly dug up. The second is the incident I referred to. I guess we'll have to disagree: you see it as a biased attack and I see it as being open to misinterpretation, which is also an error, but not in itself evidence of bias.

[Kato]

So a clumsy use of words sects off, in your mind, a legitimate political firestorm, while a sweary rant about a government minister is nothing to see here'. Differential standards at play I think.

Hype much?

I didn't sanction, or take part in, any political firestorm.

Sarah Smith was REPEATEDLY "clumsy" but was strangely never as clumsy with other areas of the news. Some people, quite rightly, thought she wasn't reporting THE FACTS as they were. I don't agree with any abuse she received but a discussion on her bias, unconscious or otherwise, warranted attention.

Somebody calling someone else a swear name isn't the same thing, whether it's factual or not.

If you can't see the difference and still want to double down on the equivalence, rock on.

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[archie]

Hype much?

I didn't sanction, or take part in, any political firestorm.

Sarah Smith was REPEATEDLY "clumsy" but was strangely never as clumsy with other areas of the news. Some people, quite rightly, thought she wasn't reporting THE FACTS as they were. I don't agree with any abuse she received but a discussion on her bias, unconscious or otherwise, warranted attention.

Somebody calling someone else a swear name isn't the same thing, whether it's factual or not.

If you can't see the difference and still want to double down on the equivalence, rock on.

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I think that's a bit rich accusing me of doubling down on equivalence when this was started by fury over a side bar on the BBC website. I find the 'nothing to see here' over KGM to be rather hypocritical. How a major news presenter calling a minister a c*** doesn't impact on perceptions of impartiality is beyond me. But I guess people see what they want to see

[Just Alf]

All deleted, should have read whole thread 1st!

Also... that stag do incident is a belter! :greengrin

[He's here!]

No need for sarcasm. I think the multi quotes relate to two incidents. In the first she made an error and was rightly dug up. The second is the incident I referred to. I guess we'll have to disagree: you see it as a biased attack and I see it as being open to misinterpretation, which is also an error, but not in itself evidence of bias.

Agreed. Second incident was the wrong choice of word, nothing more IMHO. Catnip for Sturgeon and her supporters though.

[He's here!]

I think that's a bit rich accusing me of doubling down on equivalence when this was started by fury over a side bar on the BBC website. I find the 'nothing to see here' over KGM to be rather hypocritical. How a major news presenter calling a minister a c*** doesn't impact on perceptions of impartiality is beyond me. But I guess people see what they want to see

Indeed. As you've asked, how would those brushing off the comment have reacted had he made them about an SNP MP?

[JimBHibees]

Agreed. Second incident was the wrong choice of word, nothing more IMHO. Catnip for Sturgeon and her supporters though.

Smith unfortunately was a catalogue of clumsy comments which because they were all in the same direction seemed more deliberate than clumsy. Sturgeon enjoying the limelight in covid was imo a shocker.

[Kato]

I think that's a bit rich accusing me of doubling down on equivalence when this was started by fury over a side bar on the BBC website. I find the 'nothing to see here' over KGM to be rather hypocritical. How a major news presenter calling a minister a c*** doesn't impact on perceptions of impartiality is beyond me. But I guess people see what they want to see

You're picking me up all wrong.

I can see how calling brexit mastermind Steve Baker a **** impacts on perceptions of impartiality. But I don't think swearing is worse than or equivalent too, false reporting with hidden apologies.

I also don't think effects whatever plans this version of the Tory Party have for Channel 4 either. They will do what they set out to do if they want.

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[Hiber-nation]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-63376310

Thought it might have been Kuenssberg.

Well no I didn't.

[greenlex]

These extended national news programmes are really grinding my gears. BBC can do one.

[cabbageandribs1875]

I bow to your superior knowledge.









Everything she said in the above cases was wrong, but you are evidence that it has stuck in your mind, just like the barrister misleading the jury.


your post was absolutely 110% bang on

planting seeds, damage is done


the tory-owned press then retracting a few days later(if at all) at the bottom of page 20+and using the smallest print possible

[hibsbollah]

Owen Jones on the ‘Sunak Coronation; Cuts Are Inevitable’ BBC coverage.

https://youtu.be/92c44QI_qiQ

[hibsbollah]

https://twitter.com/Women4Wes/status/1584578124695490567?s=20&t=IdTGGUwpuciWMJV6aDIj5w

The woman’s face at the end :greengrin

[hibsbollah]

Yep, that's what it boils down to. Vastly experienced journalist calling a Tory Brexiteer a **** is no big deal because some folk agree with him, but a rolling news BBC summary of Liz Truss's resignation (which was most likely updated half an hour later) omits to mention that Nicola Sturgeon called for a general election...well that really is beyond the pale.

KGM was rightly suspended. He should know better than to be caught out by an off air comment no matter his personal opinions. Highly unprofessional.

Incidentally I actually met the guy about 20 years ago when I was on a stag night in Edinburgh. We somehow ended up in the George Hotel bar where the TV festival folk were gathered and one of our party from London knew him. I had no idea who he was so when I got introduced to him I asked, for the sake of conversation: "So what do you do Krishnan?" He just looked at me, turned to my mate and said: "Seriously?" before walking away :greengrin Arrogant **** basically.

The point of KGM and C4 is they ask awkward questions and aren’t compliant. The BBC don’t ask these kind of questions so the likes of Cruella B don’t get savaged as a result…

https://spottednews.uk/excruciating-suella-braverman-interview-is-going-viral-again/?fbclid=IwAR0BrUz-K5HbN5pCq6W-d-yJ0BdTDy1ze6h-0xp7HmJvGRHg_4LOTiVFaQk

[grunt]

BBC Scotland selective reporting:

https://twitter.com/msm_monitor/status/1585969087192084481?s=20&t=RZSlpJGb7R9tVEOiU4gYww

[JimBHibees]

BBC Scotland selective reporting:

https://twitter.com/msm_monitor/status/1585969087192084481?s=20&t=RZSlpJGb7R9tVEOiU4gYww

Simply a joke and happens too regularly for it not to be deliberate

[James310]

BBC Scotland selective reporting:

https://twitter.com/msm_monitor/status/1585969087192084481?s=20&t=RZSlpJGb7R9tVEOiU4gYww

How could Tory MSP Jamie Greene rebel against his party when it was a free vote for the Tory's? So the first part of that video isn't even true.

[grunt]

How could Tory MSP Jamie Greene rebel against his party when it was a free vote for the Tory's? So the first part of that video isn't even true.

That's true, however it's unlike you to completely miss the point of the post.

[James310]

That's true, however it's unlike you to completely miss the point of the post.

There's an irony in a video made by someone accusing an organisation of somehow misleading information when it is itself factually incorrect at the very start. It loses any credibility straight away.

[grunt]

There's an irony in a video made by someone accusing an organisation of somehow misleading information when it is itself factually incorrect at the very start. It loses any credibility straight away.

Missing the point and then doubling down in it. The comment you complain of has NO IMPACT on the point being made. But carry on if it makes you feel better.

[James310]

Missing the point and then doubling down in it. The comment you complain of has NO IMPACT on the point being made. But carry on if it makes you feel better.

Of course it has an impact, if something starts off as factually incorrect why should the rest of it be taken seriously. It's a strange account that seems to spend all day seeking grievance and conspiracy theories and then attacking journalists calling them *. It's an account Donald Trump would love.

[JimBHibees]

How could Tory MSP Jamie Greene rebel against his party when it was a free vote for the Tory's? So the first part of that video isn't even true.

Thought he spoke very well in the piece not shown by bbc

[grunt]

Thought he spoke very well in the piece not shown by bbcIndeed. My point exactly.

[degenerated]

We're back on the ferries again. 26266

[Jones28]

We're back on the ferries again. 26266

Delays have been a feature of the last 2 years, but this is just chaos.

[degenerated]

Delays have been a feature of the last 2 years, but this is just chaos.Dual fuel ferry is going to run on one of the fuel types it was built to use, absolute chaos.

[marinello59]

Dual fuel ferry is going to run on one of the fuel types it was built to use, absolute chaos.

You’d be a car salesamens dream.
Wanna buy a hybrid? Full price, only runs on petrol though. :greengrin

[degenerated]

You’d be a car salesamens dream.
Wanna buy a hybrid? Full price, only runs on petrol though. :greengrinMaybe, but if sensors aren't available for 9 months I'd probably need to wait for that period to get my car. I'm not sure I would claim that as a technical issue and blame it on the car salesman.

As an aside the chances of the ships being able to use LNG just now would be extremely thin as demand outstrips supply, there aren't enough ships to cope with demand and regasification terminals are stretched.

I would suggest getting it running on the most economical method is probably the right thing to do here.

[marinello59]

Maybe, but if sensors aren't available for 9 months I'd probably need to wait for that period to get my car. I'm not sure I would claim that as a technical issue and blame it on the car salesman.

As an aside the chances of the ships being able to use LNG just now would be extremely thin as demand outstrips supply, there aren't enough ships to cope with demand and regasification terminals are stretched.

I would suggest getting it running on the most economical method is probably the right thing to do here.

You are so right. Something technical not working isn’t actually a technical issue. I know you’ve been waiting a few years already so I’ll order up the parts right away…. Give me a call back in a few months, hopefully they will be here by then. I’ll stick a few more grand on the purchase price to reflect the extra work we are putting in here for you. Pleasure doing business with you. :greengrin

[degenerated]

You are so right. Something technical not working isn’t actually a technical issue. I know you’ve been waiting a few years already so I’ll order up the parts right away…. Give me a call back in a few months, hopefully they will be here by then. I’ll stick a few more grand on the purchase price to reflect the extra work we are putting in here for you. Pleasure doing business with you. :greengrinTechnically it's supply chain issue rather than a technical issue. I know, technically, it's not working but technically that's because the bit that makes it work isn't available right now. :greengrin

[grunt]

What's wrong with this picture?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhyQQEVX0AAihI0?format=jpg&name=900x900

[degenerated]

What's wrong with this picture?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FhyQQEVX0AAihI0?format=jpg&name=900x900Where to start. For a start the scale on vertical axis is nonsense and it's in millions rather than billions.

[cabbageandribs1875]

same players involved ? BBC and Baillie like a stir MSM Monitor on Twitter: "The 'NHS Leak' story being pushed by BBC Scotland today is a virtual carbon copy of an anti-SNP smear the broadcaster ran two days before the 2014 Indyref. Here's the news report from 2014 followed by today's story. It's literally the same tactic, even down to the wording. https://t.co/Rw7P3jm2Iw" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/msm_monitor/status/1594627568925347843?t=-o-vjnG0ERXkVNzJD5DPAA&s=19&fbclid=IwAR149tj2X6yvIL51qabydDeuLMMIGKAWnP-Xh7zjTt2zeJPTTJlTNpcHV2k)

[degenerated]

same players involved ? BBC and Baillie like a stir MSM Monitor on Twitter: "The 'NHS Leak' story being pushed by BBC Scotland today is a virtual carbon copy of an anti-SNP smear the broadcaster ran two days before the 2014 Indyref. Here's the news report from 2014 followed by today's story. It's literally the same tactic, even down to the wording. https://t.co/Rw7P3jm2Iw" / Twitter (https://twitter.com/msm_monitor/status/1594627568925347843?t=-o-vjnG0ERXkVNzJD5DPAA&s=19&fbclid=IwAR149tj2X6yvIL51qabydDeuLMMIGKAWnP-Xh7zjTt2zeJPTTJlTNpcHV2k)I wonder if they've been briefed on outcome of supreme court verdict.

[cabbageandribs1875]

I wonder if they've been briefed on outcome of supreme court verdict.

i'm quite sure the SC will have done what Westminster have instructed them to do

they came to a decision awfully quickly

[archie]

i'm quite sure the SC will have done what Westminster have instructed them to do

they came to a decision awfully quickly

Do you seriously believe this?

[cabbageandribs1875]

Do you seriously believe this?


yes


will we revisit this on Wednesday ?

[archie]

yes


will we revisit this on Wednesday ?

Why do you believe it?

[archie]

yes


will we revisit this on Wednesday ?

I'm sure there will be discussion on the SC decision. If it goes against SG that wouldn't in itself be evidence that the SC 'did what it was told'.

[James310]

i'm quite sure the SC will have done what Westminster have instructed them to do

they came to a decision awfully quickly

How would they have got to them?

How did they fail to nobble them when the exact same court ruled that Boris Johnson illegally advised the Queen to suspend Parliament? Slip through the net that one did it? 😂

[Kato]

How would they have got to them?

How did they fail to nobble them when the exact same court ruled that Boris Johnson illegally advised the Queen to suspend Parliament? Slip through the net that one did it? [emoji23]The SC proved toothless on that one.

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[James310]

The SC proved toothless on that one.

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In what way? Parliament was recalled almost immediately.

If the suggestion is the judges will do as they are told by the Tory's why did all 11 rule it was illegal what Boris Johnson and the Tory's had done, surely they would have ruled it was absolutely fine.

[Kato]

In what way? Parliament was recalled almost immediately.

If the suggestion is the judges will do as they are told by the Tory's why did all 11 rule it was illegal what Boris Johnson and the Tory's had done, surely they would have ruled it was absolutely fine.

I didn't make that suggestion about judges doing as they are told.

I meant toothless as in the lack of any personal repercussions towards those who had lied to the Queen.

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[James310]

I didn't make that suggestion about judges doing as they are told.

I meant toothless as in the lack of any personal repercussions towards those who had lied to the Queen.

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That wasn't the courts job, their job was to rule on whether it was legal or not. Not to then start proceedings against those that did the wrongdoing.

[Kato]

That wasn't the courts job, their job was to rule on whether it was legal or not. Not to then start proceedings against those that did the wrongdoing.Fair enough.

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[ronaldo7]

Excruciating. :rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/msm_monitor/status/1595776627530936322

[James310]

Excruciating. :rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/msm_monitor/status/1595776627530936322

For Angus Robertson yes, he couldn't answer basic questions about what comes next. Nicola Sturgeon announced this de facto referendum without actually having a clue what it means and the interviewer was quite rightly asking him for some clarity. Can't wait to see the manifesto, 1 page if that.

Interesting bit about the legality of using an election as a de facto referendum though, as was mentioned it would be a legal minefield. But that's what Nicola Sturgeon has promised now.

I would not be surprised if there is a bit of a roll back of this de facto referendum and then where do the SNP go from there? More carrot and stick approach.

[grunt]

For Angus Robertson yes, he couldn't answer basic questions about what comes next. :greengrin

[ronaldo7]

For Angus Robertson yes, he couldn't answer basic questions about what comes next. Nicola Sturgeon announced this de facto referendum without actually having a clue what it means and the interviewer was quite rightly asking him for some clarity. Can't wait to see the manifesto, 1 page if that.

Interesting bit about the legality of using an election as a de facto referendum though, as was mentioned it would be a legal minefield. But that's what Nicola Sturgeon has promised now.

I would not be surprised if there is a bit of a roll back of this de facto referendum and then where do the SNP go from there? More carrot and stick approach.

He couldn't even tell her if it was a cross or a tick in the box on the ballot.

Shambles.

Poor Laura. 😂

[CropleyWasGod]

More bias

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5cef021a-6c4b-11ed-b8ae-c57034dfa905?shareToken=3c2249d434ecd96d169f76da97 917a70

[Keith_M]

More bias

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5cef021a-6c4b-11ed-b8ae-c57034dfa905?shareToken=3c2249d434ecd96d169f76da97 917a70


Claudia Winkelman --- "I'm not hiding my fringe"?

:confused:






I see the link's been updated now

:greengrin

[Skol]

More bias

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5cef021a-6c4b-11ed-b8ae-c57034dfa905?shareToken=3c2249d434ecd96d169f76da97 917a70

Their Tory yoon paymasters did this in an obscure show that no one listens to so they can be guilty of pro snp bias and deflect from the anti snp bias.

[CropleyWasGod]

Their Tory yoon paymasters did this in an obscure show that no one listens to so they can be guilty of pro snp bias and deflect from the anti snp bias.

Lost me.

[Just Alf]

I sort of get it, especially at one point she was 'getting it' for saying the Scottish government were going down the wrong route.

[grunt]

This is going well.


The former editorial director of GB News - the overtly anti-‘woke’, anti-BBC broadcaster - has now been hired as the BBC’s director of news programmes.

https://t.co/fVV4zQyXeH

[ronaldo7]

This is going well.



https://t.co/fVV4zQyXeH

Donalda McKinnon did say she'd bring the trust back to bbc Scotland. Maybe he'll end up at colonial quay. 😂

[hibsbollah]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/dec/13/mick-lynch-bbc-anti-strike-agenda-daily-mail

[Hibernia&Alba]

Mick Lynch calls out Mishal Husain as a right-wing shill on Radio 4.


https://youtu.be/DoefrKchaIU

[Mibbes Aye]

Mick Lynch calls out Mishal Husain as a right-wing shill on Radio 4.


https://youtu.be/DoefrKchaIU

I quite like Mick Lynch but I quite like Michal Husain too. It's the first time I've heard it and IMO he actually didn't come across well, very defensive and deflecting.

I would have thought he would know fine well the hit his members take by striking. Using that to illustrate that they don't choose strike action lightly but feel forced into it, with all the additional hardship it will bring them, would surely make a very powerful point?

[grunt]

BBC Scotland discovers it has inadvertently posted some BBCgood news, so they change it.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fj234whWYAE17ty?format=jpg&name=large

[wookie70]

I quite like Mick Lynch but I quite like Michal Husain too. It's the first time I've heard it and IMO he actually didn't come across well, very defensive and deflecting.

I would have thought he would know fine well the hit his members take by striking. Using that to illustrate that they don't choose strike action lightly but feel forced into it, with all the additional hardship it will bring them, would surely make a very powerful point?

I couldn't disagree with you more. Lynch is bang on imo. If he answered it would mean nothing and the figure would be used as a way to tell workers how much they were losing. It is an impossible figure for a Union to accurately know anyway and one an employer would have a far better understanding of. I can't recall it being asked to them though. Being a good journalist is about probing and that was just provocation as he has been asked the same question a number of times with a similar result. Lazy journo without a hint of originality asking a question for SM hits rather than investigation.

Perhaps a question around the sacrifice of wages balanced against the fight for conditions and cost of living rise may have got a much more worthwhile exchange. I just listened to a chunk of her heralded interview where she "hushed" Johnson. Johnson ran rings round her, hardly answered a question and then eventually broke her by making her say he should stop talking. Hopefully, she has improved in the last 5 years as that appalling handling of Johnson in interviews was a big part of how he managed to get in. No sign she has from that interview with Lynch though.

[Just Alf]

Can't believe the bbc radio Scotland news just now.

Thier quick piece on the gender recognition bit basically says the act has passed through Parliament making it easier to change sex officia... they have one clip which takes up half the slot of a Conservative msp saying women and girls rights have been overridden by the SNP and Greens.

No.right of reply
No balance in the piece weighted to how the vote went.
Nothing about said MSP refusing to say that calling someone "it" was wrong in the interview the clip was taken from.
Or in the same interview saying evidence shows its the wrong then not being able to produce any evidence other than "people say"....

Jeezo

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/msm_monitor/status/1610906390867972096?s=46&t=kPbw6rh7a_JJNKqHM-hR7A

At it again.


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[OldEast]

https://twitter.com/msm_monitor/status/1610906390867972096?s=46&t=kPbw6rh7a_JJNKqHM-hR7A

At it again.


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MSM monitor is a very valuable tool to counter the lies and spin people are subjected to daily.

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/msm_monitor/status/1610906390867972096?s=46&t=kPbw6rh7a_JJNKqHM-hR7A

At it again.


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkInterviewing people pretending like they are ordinary members of the public without political connections, when they actually do.

ie employing actors.

Trumpesque level of deception.

All for the squeeky linesman.

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[Glory Lurker]

But they make mistakes both ways...

[Kato]

But they make mistakes both ways...Squeeky linesmen or the BBC Scotland news dept?

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[grunt]

MSM monitor is a very valuable tool to counter the lies and spin people are subjected to daily.:agree:

[Stairway 2 7]

Not bias but bbc put an antivax crackpot on the news

https://mobile.twitter.com/mroliverbarnes/status/1613994392284438534

[Kato]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64304132

3 days after the story broke the BBC have caught up with the news of Nadhim Zahawi's attempted tax fiddle. Using The Sun as a source rather the Independent which has been covering the story since last June.

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[Bostonhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64304132

3 days after the story broke the BBC have caught up with the news of Nadhim Zahawi's attempted tax fiddle. Using The Sun as a source rather the Independent which has been covering the story since last June.

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkI'm surprised it got any BBC coverage at all, especially when their top positions are firmly in the hands of a nasty party supporter and donor

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[Kato]

I'm surprised it got any BBC coverage at all, especially when their top positions are firmly in the hands of a nasty party supporter and donor

Sent from my SM-A750FN using TapatalkLet's see if that is extent of their coverage. A quick once over then dropping the story isn't beyond them..

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[Bostonhibby]

Let's see if that is extent of their coverage. A quick once over then dropping the story isn't beyond them..

Sent from my SM-A528B using TapatalkLadbrokes aren't offering any odds on it appearing again[emoji23]

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[Bostonhibby]

https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1616866014893060099?t=bgbIWQxZMEm2FOkrrpN0YQ&s=08

Keunsberg will be all over this surely? Might get to drool over Bozo again.

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[TrumpIsAPeado]

https://twitter.com/mrjamesob/status/1616866014893060099?t=bgbIWQxZMEm2FOkrrpN0YQ&s=08

Keunsberg will be all over this surely? Might get to drool over Bozo again.

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The silence from auntie beeb will be deafening.

Just last month, Richard Sharp said that the BBC was fighting against it's "liberal bias". Presumably the same "liberal bias" that has helped keep the most corrupt Conservative Government in history in power since 2010.

[Bostonhibby]

The silence from auntie beeb will be deafening.

Just last month, Richard Sharp said that the BBC was fighting against it's "liberal bias". Presumably the same "liberal bias" that has helped keep the most corrupt Conservative Government in history in power since 2010.Say one pious sounding thing to keep the faithful and gullible on board, meantime carry on behaving like Hancock, Bozo, Francois, Patterson, Mone, Zahawi, Williamson.........insert more Nasty party names here.......

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[Glory Lurker]

How big do the letters spelling it out have to be? The BBC is controlled by London interests. It knows and cares nothing about Scotland unless it is to tell us to mind our place.

[archie]

The silence from auntie beeb will be deafening.

Just last month, Richard Sharp said that the BBC was fighting against it's "liberal bias". Presumably the same "liberal bias" that has helped keep the most corrupt Conservative Government in history in power since 2010.
Pretty noisy silence from what I'm watching.

[James310]

The silence from auntie beeb will be deafening.

Just last month, Richard Sharp said that the BBC was fighting against it's "liberal bias". Presumably the same "liberal bias" that has helped keep the most corrupt Conservative Government in history in power since 2010.

Why is it the headline on the BBC News website then, one of the most popular news websites in the world?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news

That's some way of being silent, splashing it on your home page so millions can see it.

This is why most of the accusations against the BBC are nonsense, it's doing the exact opposite of what you said it would do.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

This is why most of the accusations against the BBC are nonsense

This is why they get away with it, because people assume that it's nonsense. Then don't really care when the truth comes out decades later.

[grunt]

This is why most of the accusations against the BBC are nonsense, it's doing the exact opposite of what you said it would do.
Complete and utter rubbish. The BBC can't avoid the story, because it's huge, but if you read their report you'll see they do all they can to "both sides" it. "He says this but she says that." They give equal prominence to the pathetic No. 10 denials when any reasonable news organisation would be calling them out for the lies they so obviously are.

Anyone who can't see that the BBC is a Tory mouthpiece is either stupid or intentionally looking the other way. IMO.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

Complete and utter rubbish. The BBC can't avoid the story, because it's huge, but if you read their report you'll see they do all they can to "both sides" it. "He says this but she says that." They give equal prominence to the pathetic No. 10 denials when any reasonable news organisation would be calling them out for the lies they so obviously are.

Anyone who can't see that the BBC is a Tory mouthpiece is either stupid or intentionally looking the other way. IMO.

I wouldn't even credit them with being balanced here. They include quotes from James Cleverly, Richard Sharp and a spokesperson for the lord of lies himself. While using selective quoting from the Labour chairwoman to make it appear like it's nothing more than mere speculation.

[He's here!]

I imagine Sturgeon would have liked to blame the BBC for putting words in her mouth, but she's gone with 'bad phrasing'. Better than the awful US-style 'mis-spoke' claims which have gained credence among politicians in recent years I guess:

https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/s...JURwnNn3qol-pw (https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1616855984332226560?s=20&t=9pYosXEXJURwnNn3qol-pw)

[TrumpIsAPeado]

I imagine Sturgeon would have liked to blame the BBC for putting words in her mouth, but she's gone with 'bad phrasing'. Better than the awful US-style 'mis-spoke' claims which have gained credence among politicians in recent years I guess:

https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/s...JURwnNn3qol-pw (https://twitter.com/NicolaSturgeon/status/1616855984332226560?s=20&t=9pYosXEXJURwnNn3qol-pw)

She would have been right to do so. So thanks for correctly including this in the BBC bias thread where it belongs.

[James310]

Complete and utter rubbish. The BBC can't avoid the story, because it's huge

The post I was replying to said the BBC would ignore it. The silence will be deafening was the phase, but now they can't ignore it.

So on the one the hand they will ignore it and on the other they can't ignore it, see why it's bit confusing keeping up with the BBC accusations of bias. 😂.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

The post I was replying to said the BBC would ignore it. The silence will be deafening was the phase, but now they can't ignore it.

So on the one the hand they will ignore it and on the other they can't ignore it, see why it's bit confusing keeping up with the BBC accusations of bias. 😂.

Fair enough. I should have known better than to think they would ignore it. They're spinning it instead.

[Ozyhibby]

One thing about the BBC is it never misses an opportunity to talk about itself.
I don’t think there is any doubt now that the BBC has been corrupted over the last 13 years. I doubt it will recover. If they start talking about getting rid of the license fee now, I certainly won’t bother to care.


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[Bostonhibby]

They're so Hearts biased too, even moving the game today to help them out.

Quality reporting. Must have been a McLaughlin Preston effort.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20230122/732aef781c2cfa35474db320d614c1b5.jpg

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[Ozyhibby]

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-news-agents/id1640878689?i=1000596128879

Are the Tories running the BBC? Another great podcast from the Newsagents.


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[TrumpIsAPeado]

Are the Tories running the BBC?

Are we honestly still at the stage of asking that question?

[grunt]

Can someone please summarise the personal consequences to a member of the public of refusing to pay the TV licence?

Asking for a friend.

[JeMeSouviens]

Can someone please summarise the personal consequences to a member of the public of refusing to pay the TV licence?

Asking for a friend.

Up to £1000 fine. All current info here - https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/broadband-and-tv/tv-licence/

[grunt]

Up to £1000 fine. All current info here - https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/broadband-and-tv/tv-licence/
Thanks. That's a blow. My friend doesn't want to get fined (and knowing his luck he would be) but he wants to show his disappointment at how the BBC operates, particularly as regards news in Scotland and its approach to the independence movement.

[Santa Cruz]

Thanks. That's a blow. My friend doesn't want to get fined (and knowing his luck he would be) but he wants to show his disappointment at how the BBC operates, particularly as regards news in Scotland and its approach to the independence movement.

There's not many prosecutions in Scotland according to this link.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/foi-202100213156/

No idea what the direct measures for the COPFS offence figures mean.

[grunt]

No idea what the direct measures for the COPFS offence figures mean.
Seems to be page 107 here https://www.gov.scot/binaries/content/documents/govscot/publications/statistics/2021/05/criminal-proceedings-scotland-2019-20/documents/criminal-proceedings-scotland-2019-20/criminal-proceedings-scotland-2019-20/govscot%3Adocument/criminal-proceedings-scotland-2019-20.pdf

Looks like a system of fines.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

Can someone please summarise the personal consequences to a member of the public of refusing to pay the TV licence?

Asking for a friend.

So here's how it works. Your friend refuses to pay the licence fee. Eventually your friend will start receiving threatening letters. Your friend can simply ignore these letters and in all likelihood, nothing will happen. If a couple of mean looking jobs happen to come to your friends door however, your friend can politely tell them to **** off and simply refuse them entry into their home. If they can't gain entry into your friends home, they can't prove that your friend requires a licence and can therefore do nothing.

[grunt]

So here's how it works. Your friend refuses to pay the licence fee. Eventually your friend will start receiving threatening letters. Your friend can simply ignore these letters and in all likelihood, nothing will happen. If a couple of mean looking jobs happen to come to your friends door however, your friend can politely tell them to **** off and simply refuse them entry into their home. If they can't gain entry into your friends home, they can't prove that your friend requires a licence and can therefore do nothing.
Thanks. I'll ... uh ...tell him.

[ronaldo7]

Thanks. I'll ... uh ...tell him.

Plenty of support for your friend and how to get round paying the tv tax on YouTube.

Lots of people in Scotland are already doing it. 😉

[archie]

Plenty of support for your friend and how to get round paying the tv tax on YouTube.

Lots of people in Scotland are already doing it. 😉

Do you not think this is a wee bit irresponsible? People might find themselves fined as a result. I thought you guys argued it was a moral duty to pay taxes and other obligations?

[Crunchie]

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-news-agents/id1640878689?i=1000596128879

Are the Tories running the BBC? Another great podcast from the Newsagents.


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If they are they're not doing a very good job of it, it can't be any more left wing if it tried.

[grunt]

If they are they're not doing a very good job of it, it can't be any more left wing if it tried.
:greengrin

[grunt]

I thought you guys argued it was a moral duty to pay taxes and other obligations?This person has paid tax - a lot of it - his whole life. The issue with the TV Licence paying for the BBC is a form of protest. Surely you're not denying someone their right to protest?

[neil7908]

Can someone please summarise the personal consequences to a member of the public of refusing to pay the TV licence?

Asking for a friend.

We've just legitimately stopped watching live TV. Nothing dodgy, just decided it wasn't worth the time or money. Had to fill in a form online but don't think we've been bothered since then. There are so many streaming services etc now that content is unlimited.

[ronaldo7]

No.

Why shouldn't grunts friend oppose the TV tax?

[cabbageandribs1875]

i joined this fb page a while ago, not looked at it for several months but i did see some handy advice given, give it a good look through and there's some articles on what to do/not to do etc https://en-gb.facebook.com/tvlicenceresistance/ as much as i want to stop paying as i only use 'alternative' TV viewing methods :whistle: i've still to get around to taking the plunge :)

[archie]

Why shouldn't grunts friend oppose the TV tax?They can oppose all they like. I just don't want people thinking it's a no risk option.

[ronaldo7]

They can oppose all they like. I just don't want people thinking it's a no risk option.

They're dealing with an established British institution. Im sure he'll understand that they'll try and squeeze as much out of him as possible. As others have said though, it's rather easy to do.

[TrumpIsAPeado]

People are overlooking the fundamental point here. They can only fine you if they can prove that you require a licence. They can only prove that you require a licence if you let their licencing thugs into your home. They aren't law enforcement officers and have no warrant to enter your home without your permission.

You only need to do 2 things. Ignore the letters they send out and slam the door shut on them if they turn up. It really is that simple.

8+ years and hundreds of "we'll take you to court" letters later, still nothing.

[hibsbollah]

Even though I have plenty of gripes with the BBC and their editorial policy, before we even get started on Sportscene:rolleyes:, I value watching TV without adverts so much (I hardly watch any adverts, mute em when they do come on and having to sit through them on skysports was the worst thing about getting those channels) Im happy to pay my licence fee. Six music, the podcasts and science and history and natural history documentaries as well. We'd miss it if it wasnt there.

[grunt]

Even though I have plenty of gripes with the BBC and their editorial policy, before we even get started on Sportscene:rolleyes:, I value watching TV without adverts so much (I hardly watch any adverts, mute em when they do come on and having to sit through them on skysports was the worst thing about getting those channels) Im happy to pay my licence fee. Six music, the podcasts and science and history and natural history documentaries as well. We'd miss it if it wasnt there.
I never watch BBC TV, occasionally Radio 4. I could live without it. Such a shame watching its demise.

[HNA2]

Could we get the thread back on track please

[Pretty Boy]

Even though I have plenty of gripes with the BBC and their editorial policy, before we even get started on Sportscene:rolleyes:, I value watching TV without adverts so much (I hardly watch any adverts, mute em when they do come on and having to sit through them on skysports was the worst thing about getting those channels) Im happy to pay my licence fee. Six music, the podcasts and science and history and natural history documentaries as well. We'd miss it if it wasnt there.

That's where I am too.

The BBC is about so much more than just their news output. They are still capable of producing top class dramas and documentaries, BBC Sounds has some incredible output, Bitesize is a fantastic resource for schoolchildren, their online recipe collection is second to none, Cbeebies buys me a few minutes peace everyday when Bluey is on so that's priceless........

Going against the grain but I think much of the news output is still excellent as well. Not so much the BBC1 half hour news broadcasts but some of the output less prominently placed on their website. The Long Reads articles often contain some top notch investigative journalism and the Behind The Headlines section is also good for delving a bit deeper into stories. Shows like Hard Talk and Impact on News24 are also often very good albeit hidden away in the middle of the night more often than not.

People will argue you can get all of the above from commercial sources and of course they are correct. Much of it would either cost subscriptions fees or see me bombarded with adverts though and to avoid that I'm happy to pay the equivalent of 3 pints every month.

[grunt]

People will argue you can get all of the above from commercial sources and of course they are correct. Much of it would either cost subscriptions fees or see me bombarded with adverts though and to avoid that I'm happy to pay the equivalent of 3 pints every month.
My friend would be in this position too, if it wasn't for the insufferable and blatant bias shown by BBC Scotland news teams against the SG.

[J-C]

Jeezo, so many posts deleted re tv licence, what did I miss 😁

[Pretty Boy]

My friend would be in this position too, if it wasn't for the insufferable and blatant bias shown by BBC Scotland news teams against the SG.

And do you believe blatant bias would be removed if the entirety of the news output in Scotland and the rest of the UK was produced by commercial broadcasters? A quick glance at Sky News, GB News or the extremes of news broadcasting in the US should provide the answer. True impartiality is a myth, the BBC could improve and then some but they are still better than many.

I suppose purely commercial news output would mean that, if the market was there, there would be programming that reaffirmed an individuals own prejudices and inherent bias. Deep down I think that's what a large number of people really want.

[Ozyhibby]

And do you believe blatant bias would be removed if the entirety of the news output in Scotland and the rest of the UK was produced by commercial broadcasters? A quick glance at Sky News, GB News or the extremes of news broadcasting in the US should provide the answer. True impartiality is a myth, the BBC could improve and then some but they are still better than many.

I suppose purely commercial news output would mean that, if the market was there, there would be programming that reaffirmed an individuals own prejudices and inherent bias. Deep down I think that's what a large number of people really want.

I find Sky news to be the most impartial of the broadcasters.


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[Smartie]

I find Sky news to be the most impartial of the broadcasters.


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Me too.

I've actually grown to really like Sky News.

The BBC is still good in places but it has it's strengths and weaknesses and the current direction of travel whilst we have a Tory party in charge of the country who carry many fascist tendencies isn't good.

It can be good again though, and decent folk should fight for it's impartiality and for it survive and thrive going forward.

[grunt]

Jeezo, so many posts deleted re tv licence, what did I miss 😁
I think it's fair to say I'm not having a good week on here. :rolleyes:

[Ozyhibby]

Me too.

I've actually grown to really like Sky News.

The BBC is still good in places but it has it's strengths and weaknesses and the current direction of travel whilst we have a Tory party in charge of the country who carry many fascist tendencies isn't good.

It can be good again though, and decent folk should fight for it's impartiality and for it survive and thrive going forward.

No way would I fight for the BBC the way it is. If it goes tomorrow I’d barely raise an eyebrow. It puts the interests of the state above the interests of the people.


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[hibsbollah]

Jeezo, so many posts deleted re tv licence, what did I miss 😁

There’s definitely a romance brewing between at least two posters on here. It all got a bit steamy and late night so the mods had to step in

[ronaldo7]

I find Sky news to be the most impartial of the broadcasters.


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How can channel 4 be so much better than the Beeb in the news reporting. Sky news also better than most. From the little I've seen of GB news, it's like RT on steroids.

[Skol]

I find Sky news to be the most impartial of the broadcasters.


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OMG. Something that Ozy and I agree on

[OldEast]

I find Sky news to be the most impartial of the broadcasters.


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Why do you think Sky news employ a political correspondent to give us his/her opinion on a political interview minutes before? Are we not capable of forming our own opinions?

[Smartie]

Why do you think Sky news employ a political correspondent to give us his/her opinion on a political interview minutes before? Are we not capable of forming our own opinions?

I tend to form my opinions by hearing the opinions of others.

The bit where they had the very right wing and very left wing guy bickering over what was in the papers was always a decent bit of tv.

[archie]

My friend would be in this position too, if it wasn't for the insufferable and blatant bias shown by BBC Scotland news teams against the SG.

Is it any criticism of the Scottish Government you find insufferable or just the BBC?

[Ozyhibby]

Is it any criticism of the Scottish Government you find insufferable or just the BBC?

It’s a bit worrying when the BBC are reporting that NS enjoyed imposing lockdown restrictions. That is a lie put forward by the BBC to undermine the SNP.


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[Kato]

Emily Maitlis claimed that if the subject was climate change the BBC's editorial was to find one person to discuss in favour and another to speak against so as to show "impartiality".

How can you be impartial regarding proven science?

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[archie]

It’s a bit worrying when the BBC are reporting that NS enjoyed imposing lockdown restrictions. That is a lie put forward by the BBC to undermine the SNP.


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You mean this self acknowledged slip from 2020? https://twitter.com/BBCsarahsmith/status/1262654741332602883

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Is it any criticism of the Scottish Government you find insufferable or just the BBC?That's a very patronising question. I dislike any unjustified criticism, and I find that BBC Scotland News goes out of their way to promote anti-SNP and anti-SG stories, they always take the UK/Union side in any disputes, and they ignore positive SG news.

[archie]

Emily Maitlis claimed that if the subject was climate change the BBC's editorial was to find one person to discuss in favour and another to speak against so as to show "impartiality".

How can you be impartial regarding proven science?

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I agree with you to a point, but as someone who is convinced about the impact of climate change, I think it's a bold statement to say that the science is proven. It's emerging and developing, and so should be subject to challenge. I also don't agree with the equal balance caracature. There are many areas where the debate is not run like that. Race is an obvious example.

[grunt]

You mean this self acknowledged slip from 2020? https://twitter.com/BBCsarahsmith/status/1262654741332602883
"Self-acknowledged" Hahahahahaha.

"Slip" Hahahahahaha.

It was a scripted piece to camera, she never apologised she just made an excuse for her words, and then only when she'd been hauled up for it on social media. A classic case of "sorry, not sorry", when the original report had the effect of setting her views on the FM in people's minds. A classic example of BBC bias, which ultimately resulted in her having to relocate to the US to continue her career.

Thanks for pointing it out.

[archie]

That's a very patronising question. I dislike any unjustified criticism, and I find that BBC Scotland News goes out of their way to promote anti-SNP and anti-SG stories, they always take the UK/Union side in any disputes, and they ignore positive SG news.
OK, but what is unjustified criticism? I am also really surprised at the assertion that they go out of their way to criticise SG and take the UK side. Any examples?

[James310]

"Self-acknowledged" Hahahahahaha.

"Slip" Hahahahahaha.

It was a scripted piece to camera, she never apologised she just made an excuse for her words, and then only when she'd been hauled up for it on social media. A classic case of "sorry, not sorry", when the original report had the effect of setting her views on the FM in people's minds. A classic example of BBC bias, which ultimately resulted in her having to relocate to the US to continue her career.

Thanks for pointing it out.

She relocated because of the abuse she suffered.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/17/bbcs-sarah-smith-relieved-to-escape-scottish-bile-and-hatred

"People would “roll their car windows down as they drive past me in the street to ask me ‘what ****ing lies you’re going to be telling on TV tonight, you ****ing lying bitch’,” she told Rhys Evans, a BBC Wales executive."

Did she deserve that?

[archie]

"Self-acknowledged" Hahahahahaha.

"Slip" Hahahahahaha.

It was a scripted piece to camera, she never apologised she just made an excuse for her words, and then only when she'd been hauled up for it on social media. A classic case of "sorry, not sorry", when the original report had the effect of setting her views on the FM in people's minds. A classic example of BBC bias, which ultimately resulted in her having to relocate to the US to continue her career.

Thanks for pointing it out.

Was it scripted? You do realise there is more that one interpretation of enjoyed? And it looked like an apology to me. But you're right in one case, it was very effectively weaponised.

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I agree with you to a point, but as someone who is convinced about the impact of climate change, I think it's a bold statement to say that the science is proven. It's emerging and developing, and so should be subject to challenge. Your comment is a classic example of the result of the BBC's "both sides" approach to such stories. I think you'll find the science errs a lot more towards proven than undecided, but you can't bring yourself to say that because of the uneven reporting by media such as the BBC.


There are many areas where the debate is not run like that. Race is an obvious example.And there are many MORE which ARE run like that. Brexit and Scottish Independence are two prime examples that feature quite heavily on this discussion board.

[grunt]

Was it scripted? What do you think?


You do realise there is more that one interpretation of enjoyed? Seriously? You think dear sweet Sarah wasn't aware of that?

[JeMeSouviens]

I agree with you to a point, but as someone who is convinced about the impact of climate change, I think it's a bold statement to say that the science is proven. It's emerging and developing, and so should be subject to challenge. I also don't agree with the equal balance caracature. There are many areas where the debate is not run like that. Race is an obvious example.

It emerged decades ago and not only has it achieved consensus, the real world evidence has proved it beyond doubt.

I know you have vested interest in defending the beeb, but pick another topic!

[Kato]

I agree with you to a point, but as someone who is convinced about the impact of climate change, I think it's a bold statement to say that the science is proven. It's emerging and developing, and so should be subject to challenge. I also don't agree with the equal balance caracature. There are many areas where the debate is not run like that. Race is an obvious example.I don't think it's bold to say the science behind climate change is proven - it might be in a state of flux re figures and impacts but its an ongoing event and good science pivots according to its data.

What that doesn't leave room for is climate change deniers and, maybe, those who lobby for even more fossil fuel usage. Yet the BBC invite them on. That's an 1980's version and an editorial decision.

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[archie]

Your comment is a classic example of the result of the BBC's "both sides" approach to such stories. I think you'll find the science errs a lot more towards proven than undecided, but you can't bring yourself to say that because of the uneven reporting by media such as the BBC.

And there are many MORE which ARE run like that. Brexit and Scottish Independence are two prime examples that feature quite heavily on this discussion board.
Errs towards is not proven. I believe the science, but am not close minded to the uncertainties. This a good analysis
https://www.csiro.au/en/research/environmental-impacts/climate-change/climate-change-qa/science

[Moulin Yarns]

Jeezo, so many posts deleted re tv licence, what did I miss 😁

I think looking at the posters might give you a clue 😉