BBC bias again?

[ronaldo7]

Oh ok, you weren't actually referring to the comment you actually replied to just the BBC is utter mince in general.

Does this other way involve Independence by any chance? It's the answer to everything!

Sorry. I don't understand the comment, "Does this other way involve independence by any chance".

Stay safe. 😂

[James310]

Sorry. I don't understand the comment, "Does this other way involve independence by any chance".

Stay safe. 😂

What did you mean by another way is possible then? I guess I picked it up wrong?

[ronaldo7]

What did you mean by another way is possible then? I guess I picked it up wrong?

Change the channel. 😂

[Smartie]

I'm sure if you did a poll, or held a referendum, on the subject, you would find that at least 60% would say that the BBC is biased. 😉

I don’t think we should accept the suggestions of bias until that level reaches 70%.

[grunt]

Why would people in Scotland care what Mark Drakeford has to say about another referendum? I don't. you don't think it newsworthy that the Labour FM of Wales disagrees with the Labour leader in Scotland about whether there should be an indyref2?


Aren't Tory's allowed to be concerned about their children's education etc.again, you're missing the point, which is that BBC Scotland failed to disclose that their complainant was a paid up Tory candidate.


These seem pretty petty issues, a government is always going to be held to account as they are the ones making the decisions.Individually they may look petty, but taken over a period of years they look like bias.

[James310]

you don't think it newsworthy that the Labour FM of Wales disagrees with the Labour leader in Scotland about whether there should be an indyref2?

again, you're missing the point, which is that BBC Scotland failed to disclose that their complainant was a paid up Tory candidate.

Individually they may look petty, but taken over a period of years they look like bias.

I don't really care what Mark Drakeford has to say, just like if there was a Tory FM in Wales and he said there shouldn't be another referendum, would you expect that to make news in Scotland? Would you care what he or she was saying?

I am sure over the years many political activists have been interviewed, they are active in politics so will put themselves forward and have strong views. I am betting everyone interviewed on BBC doesn't have their background checked.

I get why you think this, I am just saying I don't see it the same way as you, just as you don't see it the same way as I would see it. We tend to see what we want to see.

[degenerated]

Are you claiming the BBC spends more in Scotland than it raises?


Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkLast I read it had failed to meet the 8% figure for spend again. And that includes the brass plate stuff they do like question time and indoor bowling from Norwich.

https://www.braintreeandwithamtimes.co.uk/news/national/18220713.bowling-norfolk-counts-bbc-quota-scottish-programmes/

[Moulin Yarns]

Here's a look at tomorrow's front page: "BBC rapped for one-sided Davidson interview" 🗞🗞🗞 https://t.co/lCVJL5zBRw

[Moulin Yarns]

According to you though the poll would be invalid unless they asked you. 🤣

You really need to understand what other people say and not just what you want to think they say. 🙄

[James310]

You really need to understand what other people say and not just what you want to think they say. 🙄

That's what you said though?🤔

"Opinion polls have their uses but they don't allow everyone a voice. My wife fills in YouGov online questionnaires so there will be some things she says that appears in opinion polls while I don't do that so my opinion is not known."

[grunt]

I don't really care what Mark Drakeford has to say, just like if there was a Tory FM in Wales and he said there shouldn't be another referendum, would you expect that to make news in Scotland? Would you care what he or she was saying?I think I've been quite patient explaining this to you, but I'll have another go. It is neither here nor there whether you care about what Drakeford says; it is objectively a news story when the Labour FM of one devolved country states that another devolved country should be able to determine its own future, contradicting the Labour leader in that second devolved country. BBC Scotland's decision not to discuss it shows definite bias in not wanting to feature anyone who says another indyref is merited.


I am sure over the years many political activists have been interviewed, they are active in politics so will put themselves forward and have strong views. I am betting everyone interviewed on BBC doesn't have their background checked.Once again, this is not about whether BBC innocently gave a platform to a Tory activist. Any professional news outlet would have known who she was, and indeed I'm sure that BBC Scotland knew who she was when they gave her a platform to attack the SNP.

Just because it accords with your world view, it doesn't mean the bias isn't there.

[JeMeSouviens]

I think I've been quite patient explaining this to you, but I'll have another go. It is neither here nor there whether you care about what Drakeford says; it is objectively a news story when the Labour FM of one devolved country states that another devolved country should be able to determine its own future, contradicting the Labour leader in that second devolved country. BBC Scotland's decision not to discuss it shows definite bias in not wanting to feature anyone who says another indyref is merited.

Once again, this is not about whether BBC innocently gave a platform to a Tory activist. Any professional news outlet would have known who she was, and indeed I'm sure that BBC Scotland knew who she was when they gave her a platform to attack the SNP.

Just because it accords with your world view, it doesn't mean the bias isn't there.

There are none so blind …

[James310]

I think I've been quite patient explaining this to you, but I'll have another go. It is neither here nor there whether you care about what Drakeford says; it is objectively a news story when the Labour FM of one devolved country states that another devolved country should be able to determine its own future, contradicting the Labour leader in that second devolved country. BBC Scotland's decision not to discuss it shows definite bias in not wanting to feature anyone who says another indyref is merited.

Once again, this is not about whether BBC innocently gave a platform to a Tory activist. Any professional news outlet would have known who she was, and indeed I'm sure that BBC Scotland knew who she was when they gave her a platform to attack the SNP.

Just because it accords with your world view, it doesn't mean the bias isn't there.

But you are basically saying because it doesn't accord with your world view it's biased.

I am just not into the theory it's some big deliberate plot and everyone is out to get the SNP. Other views are available.

[Since90+2]

I think I've been quite patient explaining this to you, but I'll have another go. It is neither here nor there whether you care about what Drakeford says; it is objectively a news story when the Labour FM of one devolved country states that another devolved country should be able to determine its own future, contradicting the Labour leader in that second devolved country. BBC Scotland's decision not to discuss it shows definite bias in not wanting to feature anyone who says another indyref is merited.

Once again, this is not about whether BBC innocently gave a platform to a Tory activist. Any professional news outlet would have known who she was, and indeed I'm sure that BBC Scotland knew who she was when they gave her a platform to attack the SNP.

Just because it accords with your world view, it doesn't mean the bias isn't there.

Well said.

[degenerated]

But you are basically saying because it doesn't accord with your world view it's biased.

I am just not into the theory it's some big deliberate plot and everyone is out to get the SNP. Other views are available.Everyone else is marching out of step

[Moulin Yarns]

That's what you said though?🤔

"Opinion polls have their uses but they don't allow everyone a voice. My wife fills in YouGov online questionnaires so there will be some things she says that appears in opinion polls while I don't do that so my opinion is not known."

Where does it say that opinion polls are invalid????

Yet again you are making things up that have not been said!

[grunt]

But you are basically saying because it doesn't accord with your world view it's biased.

That is precisely what I'm NOT saying!!

I'm saying that under any objective assessment of how BBC Scotland presents news articles about Scottish politics, they exhibit anti-SNP and anti-ScotGov bias. I've given you a number of examples where any independently minded (pun not intended) person would clearly see that the news coverage is biased. That you can't see it says more about you than it does anything else.

[Ozyhibby]

That is precisely what I'm NOT saying!!

I'm saying that under any objective assessment of how BBC Scotland presents news articles about Scottish politics, they exhibit anti-SNP and anti-ScotGov bias. I've given you a number of examples where any independently minded (pun not intended) person would clearly see that the news coverage is biased. That you can't see it says more about you than it does anything else.

And ofcom agree. They have found against them at least twice now.


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[cabbageandribs1875]

nothing about this on the BBC Scotland news page


therefore it's not true :(

[JimBHibees]

Reporting Scotland carries story about a worried parent concerned about SG education plans. Omits to mention said worried parent formerly stood in elections for Scottish Tory councillor and was former adviser to Annabel Goldie
Mark Drakeford Labour FM of Wales says that Scotland should have its indyref. Story not carried in Scotland, no interview with Scottish Labour leader who doesn't want indyref. Huge story goes unreported.
BBC Scotland political editor tears up SNP manifesto in piece to camera
BBC Scotland spends weeks on the story of problems with the Scottish ferry contract, but not a mention when the ferry commences trials
Loads of examples during covid when Scottish stats were criticised heavily on the news but silence reigns when the stats go the other way
Sturgeon and other SNP politicians constantly hounded by BBC Scotland, yet Ross is allowed to change his mind on Johnson and is never even asked about the fact he's changed his mind three times
Just watch the BBC Scotland news on any night. Any SG story or announcement is immediately framed by what opposition parties say about to. 20 seconds on the SG story followed by 10 minutes on what the opposition says


Here's a recent example of BBC Scotland twisting figures to make Scotland look bad.


https://youtu.be/W3h7PcAvlTk

Couldn't agree more their coverage is shameless. Was a university research paper pretty much indicated around about the independence election. A Tory donor is the head of the BBC pretty much sums it up. Propaganda machine.

[Hibrandenburg]

Couldn't agree more their coverage is shameless. Was a university research paper pretty much indicated around about the independence election. A Tory donor is the head of the BBC pretty much sums it up. Propaganda machine.

Much worse, it's a state organ.

[heretoday]

Couldn't agree more their coverage is shameless. Was a university research paper pretty much indicated around about the independence election. A Tory donor is the head of the BBC pretty much sums it up. Propaganda machine.

Nonsense.

[Moulin Yarns]

At the end of the 6pm news yesterday they did a bit about all the mercury prize nominations, that is all of them apart from one.

This one!

Mercury Prize nominated pianist Fergus McCreadie said the nomination is not solely an achievement for him, but marks a point for the entire industry in Scotland

[James310]

At the end of the 6pm news yesterday they did a bit about all the mercury prize nominations, that is all of them apart from one.

This one!

Mercury Prize nominated pianist Fergus McCreadie said the nomination is not solely an achievement for him, but marks a point for the entire industry in Scotland

Simply not true, there are 12 nominations and they never "did a bit" on all 11 of them while missing out Fergus McCreadie.

Something ironic about the thread on BBC bias and misinformation we have posters spreading their own misinformation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episodes/b007mpkn/bbc-news-at-six

Feel free to check again.

[grunt]

Simply not true, there are 12 nominations and they never "did a bit" on all 11 of them while missing out Fergus McCreadie.
So they mentioned 7 nominees and completely ignored another 5. I'm not sure this is a good example of an impartial BBC.

[grunt]

Nonsense.Source?

[James310]

So they mentioned 7 nominees and completely ignored another 5. I'm not sure this is a good example of an impartial BBC.

It's the total opposite though of mentioning 11 out of the 12 and somehow missing just the Scottish nomination which is what was being claimed, that was just made up nonsense.

I thought this was about political bias anyway.

[WeeRussell]

Nonsense.

Which part and how so?

[Just Alf]

Source?Political bias?

https://www.thedrum.com/opinion/2014/06/30/i-was-bullied-bbc-over-academic-report-indyref-bias-scottish-media-blackout-must

[JeMeSouviens]

Political bias?

https://www.thedrum.com/opinion/2014/06/30/i-was-bullied-bbc-over-academic-report-indyref-bias-scottish-media-blackout-must

It's considerably less subtle since indyref1 as well. The line between Reporting Ferries and The Day Today is practically non-existent now.

[JimBHibees]

Nonsense.

No there was a research paper which said that

[Glory Lurker]

The BBC news website annoysme sometimes by putting news on the front page with headlines that suggests it's relevant to the whole UK whe it's not. It'll be categorised as "UK" or "Family and Education"(?) Or something like that, but only applies to England or England and Wales.

There's example just now with a UK category, a story about TV cameras going in to criminal courts for the first time. I was sure I'd seen stuff from a Scottish trial before and, right enough the article says it's was England and Wales courts. Later on in article it mentions that Scotland’s has had coverage before.

It's just misleading from an organisation that we have to pay for.

[marinello59]

Everyone else is marching out of step

Get with the groupthink James310, It will save you a lot of hassle :greengrin

If Labour, the Tories and SNP supporters can all be convinced that the BBC is against them I’d say that suggests that the BBC are doing not too bad a job. I think we all spend far too much time trying to shoot the messenger.
:greengrin

[James310]

Get with the groupthink James310, It will save you a lot of hassle :greengrin

If Labour, the Tories and SNP supporters can all be convinced that the BBC is against them I’d say that suggests that the BBC are doing not too bad a job. I think we all spend far too much time trying to shoot the messenger.
:greengrin

Indeed, if only everyone thought like me they would only see the truth. It's obvious isn't it.

[lapsedhibee]

If Labour, the Tories and SNP supporters can all be convinced that the BBC is against them I’d say that suggests that the BBC are doing not too bad a job.

Shirley this argument only works if Labour, SNP and Tory supporters are all equally reasonable people? If one group were to be predominantly, say, gullible fools who believe what's written in the Daily Mail, it maybe doesn't hold so good.

[marinello59]

Shirley this argument only works if Labour, SNP and Tory supporters are all equally reasonable people? If one group were to be predominantly, say, gullible fools who believe what's written in the Daily Mail, it maybe doesn't hold so good.

Or The National? Or The Guardian.

I’d be wary of dismissing anybody who doesn’t agree with my world view as gullible fools.

[lapsedhibee]

Or The National? Or The Guardian.

I’d be wary of dismissing anybody who doesn’t agree with my world view as gullible fools.

I'd be even warier of anyone who thinks there's any sort of equivalance, at all, between the Daily Mail and the Guardian!

[marinello59]

I'd be even warier of anyone who thinks there's any sort of equivalance, at all, between the Daily Mail and the Guardian!

I’m not saying there is, just saying supporters of all parties have their own papers they can read to echo their own view. As usual I may have made my point badly. Hopefully more forgiving people will see what I was getting at regardless of whether they agree or not. :greengrin

[lapsedhibee]

I’m not saying there is, just saying supporters of all parties have their own papers they can read to echo their own view. As usual I may have made my point badly. Hopefully more forgiving people will see what I was getting at regardless of whether they agree or not. :greengrin

Think false equivalence is a big, big thing in the car crash that is UK politics at the moment. Hence Starmer having a beer with his pizza is just as bad as Johnson lying to Parliament for two years, they're all the same as each other. Sure The Guardian leans and The Times leans, but I'm sticking to my People Who Believe What They Read In The Daily Mail Are Gullible Fools. All of them. Every one. Without exception. No offence to any Mail readers of course.

[marinello59]

Think false equivalence is a big, big thing in the car crash that is UK politics at the moment. Hence Starmer having a beer with his pizza is just as bad as Johnson lying to Parliament for two years, they're all the same as each other. Sure The Guardian leans and The Times leans, but I'm sticking to my People Who Believe What They Read In The Daily Mail Are Gullible Fools. All of them. Every one. Without exception. No offence to any Mail readers of course.

Again, I wasn’t claiming equivalence. Just a point badly made.

[lapsedhibee]

Again, I wasn’t claiming equivalence. Just a point badly made.

Yes, I understand. Just making another point, probably even more badly.

[marinello59]

Yes, I understand. Just making another point, probably even more badly.

:greengrin

[Moulin Yarns]

Stv and itv player!


Not the fault of the BBC but I can only watch the TV via the Internet. STV player doesn't show anything live and itv player does have live playback but doesn't show stv programming.

You want to watch stv news you have to cast it from your phone.

[Hibrandenburg]

Maybe one for the Tories thread but as she wasn't corrected then it also fits in here.

Nadine Dorries tells BBC News: “We haven’t had a sporting event like this in the UK since the 2012 Olympics” as she welcomes the opening of the Commonwealth Games in Birmingham.

Glasgow was the 2014 host of the same event.

[grunt]

Maybe one for the Tories thread but as she wasn't corrected then it also fits in here.

Nadine Dorries tells BBC News: “We haven’t had a sporting event like this in the UK since the 2012 Olympics” as she welcomes the opening of the Commonwealth Games in Birmingham.

Glasgow was the 2014 host of the same event.Quite possibly


Dorries on R4 this morning saying that the Birmingham 2022 Commonwealth Games is the biggest sporting event in the UK since Olympics 2012.

[weecounty hibby]

Maybe one for the Tories thread but as she wasn't corrected then it also fits in here.

Nadine Dorries tells BBC News: “We haven’t had a sporting event like this in the UK since the 2012 Olympics” as she welcomes the opening of the Commonwealth Games in Birmingham.

Glasgow was the 2014 host of the same event.
She should have been corrected but really the issue is with someone who is a ****ing moron being promoted way above their ability

[AltheHibby]

ITV in the West Midlands talked about an athlete preparing to compete for Team GB in Birmingham last week.

[James310]

She should have been corrected but really the issue is with someone who is a ****ing moron being promoted way above their ability

We agree, it does happen.

[weecounty hibby]

We agree, it does happen.

Aw naw, agreement!! I’m no having that!!😂

[He's here!]

BBC putting a positive slant on Scotland's latest drug deaths figures with the headline 'Scotland's drugs deaths down for first time in eight years'.

You'd imagine the SNP would be relieved by that headline bearing in mind the tally remains four times higher than any other recorded in Europe and three times higher than before the SNP came to power.

[ronaldo7]

BBC putting a positive slant on Scotland's latest drug deaths figures with the headline 'Scotland's drugs deaths down for first time in eight years'.

You'd imagine the SNP would be relieved by that headline bearing in mind the tally remains four times higher than any other recorded in Europe and three times higher than before the SNP came to power.

Have they not gone down?

If the BBC had said they'd plateaued, I wouldn't have batted an eye lid.

[weecounty hibby]

BBC putting a positive slant on Scotland's latest drug deaths figures with the headline 'Scotland's drugs deaths down for first time in eight years'.

You'd imagine the SNP would be relieved by that headline bearing in mind the tally remains four times higher than any other recorded in Europe and three times higher than before the SNP came to power.
They can hardly say anything else as it is a hard fact. But don’t worry, underneath the main headline they say “Scotland continues to have by far the highest drug death rate in Europe despite the fall” Again a fact but I think you have proven the point that you think that stating a fact shows that the BBC isn’t biased

[Moulin Yarns]

Normal service has been resumed.


BBC radio Scotland drivetime with fiona stalker leads on " for the 8th year running Scotland has the highest death rate as a result of drugs"

I always thought drugs policy was reserved to Westminster. 🤔

[stoneyburn hibs]

Normal service has been resumed.


BBC radio Scotland drivetime with fiona stalker leads on " for the 8th year running Scotland has the highest death rate as a result of drugs"

I always thought drugs policy was reserved to Westminster. 🤔

Heard it,they could have easily have mentioned a reduction on deaths.

[James310]

Normal service has been resumed.


BBC radio Scotland drivetime with fiona stalker leads on " for the 8th year running Scotland has the highest death rate as a result of drugs"

I always thought drugs policy was reserved to Westminster. 🤔

So why has Nicola Sturgeon appointed a Minister for Drugs Policy as part of her government? Just so they can lobby Westminster, or because she thought they could make a difference?

I get this blame Westminster for X, Y and Z is a comfortable way to deflect, but in this case the Scottish Government must believe they can make a difference otherwise they would not be increasing funding and producing action plans etc. Unless you are suggesting it's a waste of time and money from the Scottish Government?

[stoneyburn hibs]

Comes across as irony and possibly open to ridicule.
Five live is my go-to,has been fora while.
The content is night and day compared to BBC Scotland.
Nihal, a particular favourite.

[Moulin Yarns]

So why has Nicola Sturgeon appointed a Minister for Drugs Policy as part of her government? Just so they can lobby Westminster, or because she thought they could make a difference?

I get this blame Westminster for X, Y and Z is a comfortable way to deflect, but in this case the Scottish Government must believe they can make a difference otherwise they would not be increasing funding and producing action plans etc. Unless you are suggesting it's a waste of time and money from the Scottish Government?


Do your homework before posting! :rolleyes:

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19486189.letters-westminster-holding-back-fight-drugs-deaths/


Since health (https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/health/) is devolved to Scotland, treatment of drug abusers is the responsibility of the Scottish Government, and statistics suggest that, contrary to much comment in recent days, it actually does rather well. NHS Scotland’s drug treatment service beats its target for treating 90 per cent of patients within three weeks or less, year after year, hitting 95.6% in the year to March 2021.
So, what is the problem? Well, while the Scottish Government is responsible for treatment, Westminster retains control over the policies which determine what can legally be done to save the lives of illegal drug abusers. Thus "safe" or "supervised" injection rooms can be introduced only if Westminster allows it.

Should these be introduced? A review of 349 research studies into their efficacy, carried out by the Centre for Criminology at the University in South Wales in 2017, found that "safe" or "supervised" injection rooms significantly reduced drug-related harms, dramatically cut mortality and offered a range of benefits for the wider population, in terms of reduced crime (https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/crime_courts/), nuisance in public spaces, violence and trafficking.


What is Westminster’s view? In 2019 a spokesperson for Home Secretary, Priti Patel, said: “There is no legal framework for the provision of drug consumption rooms and there are no plans to introduce them.” Try thinking about that in relation to the findings above.



https://www.scotpho.org.uk/behaviour/drugs/policy-context/



Under existing arrangements the treatment and prevention of drug problems is devolved to the Scottish Government, however the control of drugs under the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 is reserved to the UK Government. Scottish Government officials keep in regular contact with the Home Office and other UK Government departments regarding reserved drugs policy.


Do you understand that POLICY is the responsibility of Westminster while the TREATMENT is the responsibility of Holyrood, even when we want to implement a particular treatment option proven to work Westminster says Naw!!

[James310]

Do your homework before posting! :rolleyes:

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19486189.letters-westminster-holding-back-fight-drugs-deaths/



https://www.scotpho.org.uk/behaviour/drugs/policy-context/





Do you understand that POLICY is the responsibility of Westminster while the TREATMENT is the responsibility of Holyrood, even when we want to implement a particular treatment option proven to work Westminster says Naw!!

So why would Nicola Sturgeon appoint someone who's specific title is Minister for Drugs Policy?

https://www.gov.scot/about/who-runs-government/cabinet-and-ministers/minister-for-drugs-policy/


Both can do more and it's good to see a small reduction in the number of deaths, let's hope it continues.

[Moulin Yarns]

So why would Nicola Sturgeon appoint someone who's specific title is Minister for Drugs Policy?

https://www.gov.scot/about/who-runs-government/cabinet-and-ministers/minister-for-drugs-policy/


Both can do more and it's good to see a small reduction in the number of deaths, let's hope it continues.

Is Scotland not allowed to develop its own Drugs policy, ahead of independence from the draconian Westminster policies? :wink:

After all we want to do better but are being held back becaus we aren't allowed to do what we want (consumption rooms)

[He's here!]

So why has Nicola Sturgeon appointed a Minister for Drugs Policy as part of her government? Just so they can lobby Westminster, or because she thought they could make a difference?

I get this blame Westminster for X, Y and Z is a comfortable way to deflect, but in this case the Scottish Government must believe they can make a difference otherwise they would not be increasing funding and producing action plans etc. Unless you are suggesting it's a waste of time and money from the Scottish Government?

The figures remain staggeringly awful, yet while Sturgeon has IIRC called them a national disgrace, being Europe's drugs deaths capital doesn't appear to cut through at the ballot box so you could argue it's not top of the to-do list.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/2048/cpsprodpb/12ABD/production/_126077467_optimised-scot_drug_deaths-nc-003.png

[grunt]

The figures remain staggeringly awful, yet while Sturgeon has IIRC called them a national disgrace, being Europe's drugs deaths capital doesn't appear to cut through at the ballot box so you could argue it's not top of the to-do list.I know you weren't saying this, but I have to say I don't like this concept of "cut through", whereby something only matters if it affects the electability of a political party.

Some things should be better just because they should be better, regardless of what the electorate thinks. IMO.

[LewysGot2]

What are the underlying reasons we have such high numbers. Regardless of how people feel things could be addressed differently, why are we so out of kilter with everyone else?

Seen theories that we've a hangover from the Trainspotting era of ageing addicts?

[CropleyWasGod]

What are the underlying reasons we have such high numbers. Regardless of how people feel things could be addressed differently, why are we so out of kilter with everyone else?

Seen theories that we've a hangover from the Trainspotting era of ageing addicts?

There's a separate thread on this. https://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?340588-Drug-deaths-in-Scotland-highest-in-EU&highlight=drugs+deaths

The recent report from David Strang's group is interesting, with (IMO) a lot of sensible recommendations.

[He's here!]

I know you weren't saying this, but I have to say I don't like this concept of "cut through", whereby something only matters if it affects the electability of a political party.

Some things should be better just because they should be better, regardless of what the electorate thinks. IMO.

Yes, I'd agree with you there.

[Ozyhibby]

So why would Nicola Sturgeon appoint someone who's specific title is Minister for Drugs Policy?

https://www.gov.scot/about/who-runs-government/cabinet-and-ministers/minister-for-drugs-policy/


Both can do more and it's good to see a small reduction in the number of deaths, let's hope it continues.

As always we are just trying to mitigate the damage caused by bad policy in London.


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[Kato]

Have the UK government proposed any policy given the nuanced needs for different parts of country? They used the situation in the past as part of their wee culture war games, just wondering if there were any constructive updates given its their patch, as if.

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[Glory Lurker]

Please let's keep this thread about the BBC.

[Berwickhibby]

She should have been corrected but really the issue is with someone who is a ****ing moron being promoted way above their ability

What like John Swinney 🙄

[Ozyhibby]

First ten minutes of Reporting Scotland tonight is all about England winning at football.


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[James310]

First ten minutes of Reporting Scotland tonight is all about England winning at football.


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Lol, it was about what it means for the Scottish women's game, had an interview with Scottish Rose Reilly who has to move to Italy in the 70s to play, an interview with ex SNP MSP Aileen Campbell who is the CEO of Scottish Women's football and then a number of interviews of Scottish girls about their feelings and thoughts on the game.

You seem to be suggesting it was all about England when it wasn't.

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/299452880_10217145506548845_2600570477485282571_n. jpg?stp=cp1_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=gV31LbJ8sfwAX-XafYz&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AT-gWIymLv0GWTIn--0aKf6HkuxjlQeyaxijOeTLHL6rYg&oe=6300F198



it would be main story if figures were reversed :agree:

[Callum_62]

https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/299452880_10217145506548845_2600570477485282571_n. jpg?stp=cp1_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=110&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=gV31LbJ8sfwAX-XafYz&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AT-gWIymLv0GWTIn--0aKf6HkuxjlQeyaxijOeTLHL6rYg&oe=6300F198



it would be main story if figures were reversed :agree:Must be cause alot of our criminsls have died through drug use or something

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[Hibrandenburg]

Must be cause alot of our criminsls have died through drug use or something

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More than likely all our criminals will be operating south of the border and bumping up their stats.

[Kato]

https://twitter.com/BarryGardiner/status/1559876595053039616?t=l4cZRBBnFXaXQA-gPr8bug&s=19

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[hibsbollah]

https://twitter.com/BarryGardiner/status/1559876595053039616?t=l4cZRBBnFXaXQA-gPr8bug&s=19

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But, but…Tories complain about the BBC too, that means they must be impartial.

[Bostonhibby]

https://twitter.com/TheDJRoach/status/1560392711886209031?s=20&t=KanDcFeHCvjRh9rjdJ7u3Q

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[hibsbollah]

Economics editor Faisal Islam and another senior bbc hack was interviewed at length on the bbc news on the cost of living crisis last night, and it wasn’t much more than Government friendly spin about it being down to external global factors. Two central elements not even discussed 1. How European countries have protected their citizens by proper price caps, and why this policy wasn’t taken up by the UK and 2. The massive profits being made by the oil companies.

You can’t have a discussion about the causes of the crisis and ignore these things at the same time.

[lapsedhibee]

If this doesn't prove that the BBC is awash with bitter, remainer lefties then I don't know what would. (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/aug/24/emily-maitlis-says-active-tory-party-agent-shaping-bbc-news-output)

[Just Alf]

Just got in after my drive home.

News at 7 on radio Scotland, they had a brief piece on GERS, they had one MSP on, who explained that the figures showed why Scotland needed to remain within the UK even whilst admitting that other similar parts of the UK had performed similar or even worse.... 100% one sided.

[Ozyhibby]

If this doesn't prove that the BBC is awash with bitter, remainer lefties then I don't know what would. (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/aug/24/emily-maitlis-says-active-tory-party-agent-shaping-bbc-news-output)

https://youtu.be/PzqezAV3x_8


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[Kato]

If this doesn't prove that the BBC is awash with bitter, remainer lefties then I don't know what would. (https://www.theguardian.com/media/2022/aug/24/emily-maitlis-says-active-tory-party-agent-shaping-bbc-news-output)"Good gracious Holmes do you really think so?"

Leading story on BBC One news saying that high energy prices in the UK are all down to the war in Ukraine. Aye barry.

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[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1562533836172529664?s=21&t=ZqoW0OfUw-KNifqlRzgjJQ


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[JimBHibees]

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1562533836172529664?s=21&t=ZqoW0OfUw-KNifqlRzgjJQ


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Not biased at all. Absolutely shocking.

[Kato]

https://youtu.be/PzqezAV3x_8


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[ronaldo7]

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1562533836172529664?s=21&t=ZqoW0OfUw-KNifqlRzgjJQ


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The Unionist on here won't be liking Emily these days, if she keeps emptying their cupboards.

Sir Robbie Gibb, tory enabler at the BBC. Arbiter of assessing the impartiality of the BBC’s coverage.

In August 2020, it was reported that Gibb was a leading figure behind the establishment of right-wing channel GB News, before stepping down as editorial adviser in October 2020.

Sam Bright, investigations editor at Byline Times, has also highlighted how just after a month following his appointment, Gibb was still ‘liking tweets from Tory MPs saying how desperate they are to kick out the SNP’.

It’s quite something that someone like Gibb who is so open about his political views and who has such close links to the Conservative Party can then act as an ‘independent’ arbiter of its impartiality.

The current Chairman of the BBC, Richard Sharp, has donated more than £400,000 to the Conservative party.

[lapsedhibee]

https://youtu.be/PzqezAV3x_8



Dan Wootton

@danwootton

· 7h

All Emily Maitlis has proven is that she was never fit to broadcast at an impartial BBC.
Pushing an alternate reality where the Brexit-hating/Boris-despising/lockdown-loving Corporation is some sort of Tory party propaganda machine is risible.
She’ll fit in at LBC’s echo chamber

[degenerated]

Dan Wootton

@danwootton

· 7h

All Emily Maitlis has proven is that she was never fit to broadcast at an impartial BBC.
Pushing an alternate reality where the Brexit-hating/Boris-despising/lockdown-loving Corporation is some sort of Tory party propaganda machine is risible.
She’ll fit in at LBC’s echo chamberDan wootton seems to enjoy this

https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1562783164816207872?t=C1r_HGA3-rJnrTLg9XrmKA&s=09

[Glory Lurker]

BBC website article on price cap rise quotes some guy called Ed Davey from some tiny Westminster party but ignores the third biggest party.

[hibsbollah]

Dan wootton seems to enjoy this

https://twitter.com/PhantomPower14/status/1562783164816207872?t=C1r_HGA3-rJnrTLg9XrmKA&s=09

It’s a pile on on Maitlis now. The Daily Telegraph describes her as ‘the Meghan Markle of journalism’, which is probably the height of criticism for the DT.

[bigwheel]

It’s a pile on on Maitlis now. The Daily Telegraph describes her as ‘the Meghan Markle of journalism’, which is probably the height of criticism for the DT.

By Alison Pearson …probably the only time she will be named in the same breath as Maitlis….she’s the McQuilken to Maitlis’s Sauzee


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[Smartie]

By Alison Pearson …probably the only time she will be named in the same breath as Maitlis….she’s the McQuilken to Maitlis’s Sauzee


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Interesting you bring up that sort of comparison because I thought exactly the same thing earlier when Dan Wootton was having a pop at her.

Not fit to even pass comment on her.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

Interesting you bring up that sort of comparison because I thought exactly the same thing earlier when Dan Wootton was having a pop at her.

Not fit to even pass comment on her.

Wooton is a nasty piece of work.

[grunt]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/aug/28/hms-prince-of-wales-breaks-down-day-after-leaving-portsmouth?CMP=share_btn_tw

Can anyone find anything about this on the BBC website? (Thank goodness it's not a Scottish ferry, eh?)

[James310]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/aug/28/hms-prince-of-wales-breaks-down-day-after-leaving-portsmouth?CMP=share_btn_tw

Can anyone find anything about this on the BBC website? (Thank goodness it's not a Scottish ferry, eh?)

Like this?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-62712638

[grunt]

Like this?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-62712638
Thanks. Well hidden, eh?

[James310]

Thanks. Well hidden, eh?

Not particularly no.

[hibsbollah]

Not particularly no.

It’s the regional news page for Hampshire. It’s not where I would hope a story of significance would go.

[grunt]

Wasn't sure where to post this, but I haven't seen it elsewhere on the site. Forgive me if someone has posted it and I missed it.
It's the full text of Emily Maitlis 2022 MacTaggart Lecture.
it's long but I think it should be read by anyone interested in our politics over the last 10 years.

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/we-have-to-stop-normalising-the-absurd


There has always been scope for abuse in our constitution of course—but in recent times, previously settled questions around our democratic norms have been upended at a staggering speed. Hannah White of the Institute of Government observes that this is not about introducing change per se—which we’ve always seen—it’s about people in power who are prepared to test the very limits of the constitution to achieve their aims.

You don’t have to look far for examples: things that once would have shocked us now seem commonplace. The ministerial code violated with impunity, a blatant disregard for the principles of the Cabinet manual. The unlawful attempt to prorogue parliament for five weeks by an executive that wanted to remove parliamentary democracy from the decision-making process; the blink-and-you-miss it moment the governing party’s Twitter account changed its name to factcheckUK—in the middle of an election campaign—to coat party propaganda in a format that sounded objective. Or the admission by the then Northern Ireland secretary that he would be prepared to break international law —but only in a very specific and limited way (like murder, I’m not sure the breaking of international law gets off the hook for being limited and specific). We can go on—limits placed on judicial review, ministers’ failure to defend the role of the judiciary, efforts to increase political control over public appointments, the attempts made to change parliamentary conduct rules for cronies—you know all this, you can join in the chorus.

[James310]

It’s the regional news page for Hampshire. It’s not where I would hope a story of significance would go.

It's on the very first page of the BBC!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news

The main news page.

[grunt]

Not particularly no.Don't be absurd. The Scottish Ferry stories were plastered all over the front pages of the BBC sites, they weren't hidden on the Scotland > Highlands & Islands pages. If you can't see bias when it's right in front of you then there's really no hope.

[James310]

Don't be absurd. The Scottish Ferry stories were plastered all over the front pages of the BBC sites, they weren't hidden on the Scotland > Highlands & Islands pages. If you can't see bias when it's right in front of you then there's really no hope.

It's literally on the main BBC news page as a story!

The worlds most visited news site.

[grunt]

It's on the very first page of the BBC!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news

The main news page.Wasn't there when I looked for it this morning. Still, as prominent as the Scottish Ferry stories? Where's the interviews with opposition parties, the calls for the PM to resign, the "Fiasco" and "Scandal" headlines?

[Moulin Yarns]

Wasn't there when I looked for it this morning. Still, as prominent as the Scottish Ferry stories? Where's the interviews with opposition parties, the calls for the PM to resign, the "Fiasco" and "Scandal" headlines?

Here is the BBC News front page

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news

You have to be blind to miss it :wink:

[grunt]

Here is the BBC News front page

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news

You have to be blind to miss it :wink:I will remind you that I did ask if anyone could see the story because I couldn't find it.

[Moulin Yarns]

I will remind you that I did ask if anyone could see the story because I couldn't find it.

Go on, have a look and tell me how easy it is to find :wink:

[hibsbollah]

Go on, have a look and tell me how easy it is to find :wink:

Everything’s easy to find once you’ve found it :greengrin

[Callum_62]

It's not on my BBC front page?

Edit - ah, if I change my nation to England then its right near the bottom

Obviously only important story for English readers - like the erm, Scottish ferries story

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[degenerated]

It's literally on the main BBC news page as a story!

The worlds most visited news site.It isn't 26159

[Callum_62]

It isn't 26159It is if u chose your nation as england (or it was)

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[James310]

It is if u chose your nation as england (or it was)

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I checked my settings and I have UK, and it's still there on the main page. It's a UK story so makes sense.

Is it really such a big deal?

[heretoday]

I'm looking forward to the Maitlis/Sopel podcast. She's going to get to grips with some of the whopping nonsense that gets through the airwaves these days.
I gather her thesis is not that the BBC is actovely biased but that they have be seen to be giving both sides of an issue an equal say. These days that means radges like Trump go scot-free.

[Moulin Yarns]

Not so much bias, but the way they report things with sensationalist headlines that aren't the same as the article

Latest example

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62891168

UK inflation: Milk, cheese and eggs push food price rises to 14-year high.

Not highlighted that inflation dropped from 10.1% to 9.9%

Compared with stv

https://news.stv.tv/world/uk-inflation-rate-eases-as-the-price-of-petrol-falls


UK inflation rate eases as the price of petrol falls

[grunt]

UK inflation: Milk, cheese and eggs push food price rises to 14-year high.

Not highlighted that inflation dropped from 10.1% to 9.9%

Strangely find myself agreeing with the BBC here. Dairy prices being at 14 year high is worthy of a headline, and inflation dropping from a touch over 10% to a touch under 10% is not worthy of a headline. IMO.

[Moulin Yarns]

Strangely find myself agreeing with the BBC here. Dairy prices being at 14 year high is worthy of a headline, and inflation dropping from a touch over 10% to a touch under 10% is not worthy of a headline. IMO.

Stv

Smaller, partially offsetting, upward effects came from price rises for food and non-alcoholic beverages, miscellaneous goods and services, and clothing and footwear.


BBC

Soaring milk, cheese and egg costs have pushed food inflation to its highest level for 14 years


The BBC is like a red top in its report!

[grunt]

If you want an example of BBC bias, I just listened to the BBC Scotland noon news bulletin.

They had an item about UK businesses having to close because of soaring energy costs.

They then reported on the EU State of the Union speech and Ursula von der Leyen's comments about Russia and the Ukraine.
Omitted to mention that the EU this morning announced a cap on energy company profits.

[Stairway 2 7]

Strangely find myself agreeing with the BBC here. Dairy prices being at 14 year high is worthy of a headline, and inflation dropping from a touch over 10% to a touch under 10% is not worthy of a headline. IMO.

The bigger point than it dropping 0.2%, is that it's estimated that inflation is now expected to sit at 10% this autumn rather that 15% that was expected. That's definitely a worthy story

[grunt]

The BBC is like a red top in its report!
Inflation is 10%. The BoE target is 2%. I'm all for any media company highlighting this tragic UK Government mismanagement.

[grunt]

The bigger point than it dropping 0.2%, is that it's estimated that inflation is now expected to sit at 10% this autumn rather that 15% that was expected. That's definitely a worthy storyLook! Only 10% inflation! Congrats to the Tories!

[Stairway 2 7]

Look! Only 10% inflation! Congrats to the Tories!

What.. regardless of reason surely your delighted that inflation will be 5% lower than expected, it means less suffering. Yes inflation is massive and brutal, but it being predicted to be a third less is surely a relief.

[Moulin Yarns]

Look! Only 10% inflation! Congrats to the Tories!

I got married, bought my first flat etc in 1979



The inflation rate in 1978 was 8.30%. The inflation rate in 1979 was 13.39%. The 1979 inflation rate is higher compared to the average inflation rate of 4.10% per year between 1979 and 2022


the mortgage was a fixed rate at 14%

The inflation rate in 1980 was 17.99, inflation rate in 1981 was 11.87%.


The beginning of the thatcher years 🙄

[James310]

Look! Only 10% inflation! Congrats to the Tories!

Inflation is rampant all over Europe, it's not just a UK issue. It's over 20% in countries like Latvia and Estonia etc.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/225698/monthly-inflation-rate-in-eu-countries/

[grunt]

The inflation rate in 1978 was 8.30%. I'm really not clear about the relevance of 40 year old stats to a thread on BBC bias.

[grunt]

Inflation is rampant all over Europe, it's not just a UK issue. It's over 20% in countries like Latvia and Estonia etc.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/225698/monthly-inflation-rate-in-eu-countries/We're not talking about inflation, we're talking about BBC bias.

[Moulin Yarns]

Tweet from the BBC


Due to an exceptional demand on our resources we are unable to provide live coverage of the Scottish Cup tie between Pollok v Huntly this Friday on BBC Scotland


Eh?

[The_Exile]

Where do we all get our news then? I must admit that I haven't been on the BBC News website for quite a number of years (I actually think it was after the whole Nick Robinson "He didn't answer" lies) unless it's been a link I've clicked within a discussion or the odd look at the sport/weather. I tend to get most of my news from Channel 4 news website and Reuters as I much prefer having a wider world view than the goldfish bowl BBC News and Sky News always tended to operate in.

[Moulin Yarns]

Tweet from the BBC


Due to an exceptional demand on our resources we are unable to provide live coverage of the Scottish Cup tie between Pollok v Huntly this Friday on BBC Scotland


Eh?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-62900500

Anybody want to join the dots?

[Ged]

Where do we all get our news then? I must admit that I haven't been on the BBC News website for quite a number of years (I actually think it was after the whole Nick Robinson "He didn't answer" lies) unless it's been a link I've clicked within a discussion or the odd look at the sport/weather. I tend to get most of my news from Channel 4 news website and Reuters as I much prefer having a wider world view than the goldfish bowl BBC News and Sky News always tended to operate in.

I get my news from the BBC and Sky.

It's the people who make up stories about their bias to suit their own wee agenda that I ignore.

[JeMeSouviens]

Strangely find myself agreeing with the BBC here. Dairy prices being at 14 year high is worthy of a headline, and inflation dropping from a touch over 10% to a touch under 10% is not worthy of a headline. IMO.

It's hardly as important as what was the Queen's favourite cheese, is it? The dignification she gave to dairy practically held our collective curds together all these years.

DISGRACE.

[Moulin Yarns]

It's hardly as important as what was the Queen's favourite cheese, is it? The dignification she gave to dairy practically held our collective curds together all these years.

DISGRACE.

:thumbsup:Whey hey!

[Rumble de Thump]

Where do we all get our news then? I must admit that I haven't been on the BBC News website for quite a number of years (I actually think it was after the whole Nick Robinson "He didn't answer" lies) unless it's been a link I've clicked within a discussion or the odd look at the sport/weather. I tend to get most of my news from Channel 4 news website and Reuters as I much prefer having a wider world view than the goldfish bowl BBC News and Sky News always tended to operate in.

I think it's good to read from a variety of sources so I get my news from the Daily Mail, Mail on Sunday, Daily Express and Breitbart. It's good to know I'm getting all the different view points.

[JimBHibees]

Tweet from the BBC


Due to an exceptional demand on our resources we are unable to provide live coverage of the Scottish Cup tie between Pollok v Huntly this Friday on BBC Scotland


Eh?

Bizarre to be honest obviously instructed by their masters down south to cover something else

[JeMeSouviens]

Bizarre to be honest obviously instructed by their masters down south to cover something else

Maybe need all their available cameras to be getting in position for funeral day. They will be live reporting from every other lamppost I expect.

[Ozyhibby]

Maybe need all their available cameras to be getting in position for funeral day. They will be live reporting from every other lamppost I expect.

Wonder if people are actually tuning in for the nonsense? Are have Netflix been having a really good week?


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[cabbageandribs1875]

Wonder if people are actually tuning in for the nonsense? Are have Netflix been having a really good week?


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i can honestly say i've not watched one bit, or listened to one bit of coverage since the passing of the of the Royal Mafia leader, not one minute of it, i don't watch terrestrial TV unless there's a live game of Football/Rugby union, i always just watch Al Jazeera/CNN/Euronews for news, if a short story comes on about old queenie i skip channels, i've never watched GB news or that talk tv whatever it is, not even out of curiosity.

[Moulin Yarns]

Bizarre to be honest obviously instructed by their masters down south to cover something else


Maybe need all their available cameras to be getting in position for funeral day. They will be live reporting from every other lamppost I expect.

The Prince/king will be in Northern Ireland on Friday any chance scottish camera crews will be sent there?

[Kato]

i can honestly say i've not watched one bit, or listened to one bit of coverage since the passing of the of the Royal Mafia leader, not one minute of it, i don't watch terrestrial TV unless there's a live game of Football/Rugby union, i always just watch Al Jazeera/CNN/Euronews for news, if a short story comes on about old queenie i skip channels, i've never watched GB news or that talk tv whatever it is, not even out of curiosity.GN News is a hoot. The clumsiest, self-revealing, snarky propaganda out there.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

GN News is a hoot. The clumsiest, self-revealing, snarky propaganda out there.

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that's the one far right spanker Dan Wooton is on i believe, saw a clip of him the other day wanting to reflect in private and mourn for the queen in front of a row of flowers


hilariously he invited along a few friends to video his mourning in private, in public view

[cabbageandribs1875]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/306449712_639190154232658_8771226235626853372_n.jp g?stp=cp6_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=UGCn8kX7BqEAX8_9uRM&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AT-BAtp8Djlz32Ptqy93Erpuia1-_jsidQcCKqq1Q8M8BA&oe=63265496
https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/306820141_639190130899327_9214092252300248014_n.jp g?stp=cp6_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=XAEN-IMMuh0AX-28zOu&tn=vIvSFNl06GFFe0Qb&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AT-4AW9gt18MnlKF2x2tZwHVovlH8nWewr-y-SLjKqpk4w&oe=63264FBD

[degenerated]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/306449712_639190154232658_8771226235626853372_n.jp g?stp=cp6_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=UGCn8kX7BqEAX8_9uRM&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AT-BAtp8Djlz32Ptqy93Erpuia1-_jsidQcCKqq1Q8M8BA&oe=63265496
https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/306820141_639190130899327_9214092252300248014_n.jp g?stp=cp6_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=XAEN-IMMuh0AX-28zOu&tn=vIvSFNl06GFFe0Qb&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AT-4AW9gt18MnlKF2x2tZwHVovlH8nWewr-y-SLjKqpk4w&oe=63264FBDHere's the video of his quiet reflection.

https://twitter.com/UokHun10/status/1569349597524262912?t=hpNnhbl2CWeNbpQOiwXlCA&s=19

[cabbageandribs1875]

Here's the video of his quiet reflection.

https://twitter.com/UokHun10/status/1569349597524262912?t=hpNnhbl2CWeNbpQOiwXlCA&s=19


Mmm i get fooled quite a lot with the clever dudes nowadays editing videos etc etc :hmmm: at least two saying the video has been reversed, even 'Mr Socko' reporting it to the polis with someone wanting him to record the call :greengrin


either way, Wooton is still a grade A Spanker

[degenerated]

Mmm i get fooled quite a lot with the clever dudes nowadays editing videos etc etc :hmmm: at least two saying the video has been reversed, even 'Mr Socko' reporting it to the polis with someone wanting him to record the call :greengrin


either way, Wooton is still a grade A SpankerThat one you can hear the camera man speaking to him in background saying look around, right I think we got it.

The reversed one that makes him look like he's choring the flowers is a different one.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://scontent.fman1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/306449712_639190154232658_8771226235626853372_n.jp g?stp=cp6_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=UGCn8kX7BqEAX8_9uRM&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-2.fna&oh=00_AT-BAtp8Djlz32Ptqy93Erpuia1-_jsidQcCKqq1Q8M8BA&oe=63265496
https://scontent.fman1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/306820141_639190130899327_9214092252300248014_n.jp g?stp=cp6_dst-jpg&_nc_cat=108&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=XAEN-IMMuh0AX-28zOu&tn=vIvSFNl06GFFe0Qb&_nc_ht=scontent.fman1-1.fna&oh=00_AT-4AW9gt18MnlKF2x2tZwHVovlH8nWewr-y-SLjKqpk4w&oe=63264FBD

I didn't even know who he was. I had to look him up. Is he really that famous??

[MartinfaePorty]

I've defended the BBC for years, but for the first time I'm seriously thinking about giving up my licence. The last few days have been ridiculous. I always knew they were supporters of the status quo / establishment, but their reporting since Thursday has been something else.

[The Harp Awakes]

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/21667960.bbc-apology-laughter-catholics-suffering-mars-coverage-queens-death/

[stoneyburn hibs]

Broadcast from Ibrox today and nothing else.
Stinking.

[grunt]

"10s of thousands of people ..."

https://twitter.com/phantompower14/status/1571964952709140480?s=21&t=k-B9JkTe5FCMkjm0uWuaKA

[Glory Lurker]

He's not saying tens of thousands at Holyrood, just around the UK.

[grunt]

He's not saying tens of thousands at Holyrood, just around the UK.

Yeah sure. He added the Hyde Park reference because he knew the numbers were in the tens in Holyrood. He's the BBC Scotland correspondent, so why's he talking about Hyde Park?

[Stairway 2 7]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Squirrelsings/status/1571986061189955585

Looks like only a few hundred at Holyrood in mid afternoon

[Hiber-nation]

Yeah sure. He added the Hyde Park reference because he knew the numbers were in the tens in Holyrood. He's the BBC Scotland correspondent, so why's he talking about Hyde Park?

Well a BBC Scotland reporter referred to London as "the capital" yesterday!

I can see nothing wrong in what Campbell said btw.

[grunt]

I can see nothing wrong in what Campbell said btw.
Do you not think that while the rest of the country was gripped by funeral fever, the fact that a large screen in Scotland's capital city attracted less than 100 visitors is itself newsworthy? Or at least honestly reporting?

[Stairway 2 7]

Do you not think that while the rest of the country was gripped by funeral fever, the fact that a large screen in Scotland's capital city attracted less than 100 visitors is itself newsworthy? Or at least honestly reporting?

Looks like 3/400 maybe, but still small. No sure why you would want to watch a dirge in a park, strange people

[danhibees1875]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Squirrelsings/status/1571986061189955585

Looks like only a few hundred at Holyrood in mid afternoon

That's much busier than I thought it would be (and busier than every other photo I've seen suggested it was) considering it was on one or two TV channels for people to watch from home and do as they please around it.

Sounds like it was probably accurate to say tens of thousands considering he means across the whole of the UK. I don't really understand the fascination with the attendance numbers though if I'm honest.

[Ozyhibby]

Do you not think that while the rest of the country was gripped by funeral fever, the fact that a large screen in Scotland's capital city attracted less than 100 visitors is itself newsworthy? Or at least honestly reporting?

I’d bet good money that the number of viewers in Scotland was a lot less than England yesterday by a long way. We’ll never get those figures though.


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[Stairway 2 7]

That's much busier than I thought it would be (and busier than every other photo I've seen suggested it was) considering it was on one or two TV channels for people to watch from home and do as they please around it.

Sounds like it was probably accurate to say tens of thousands considering he means across the whole of the UK. I don't really understand the fascination with the attendance numbers though if I'm honest.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2022/09/19/worth-getting-up-at-3am-mourners-at-hyde-park-on-watching-the-queens-funeral-17411070/amp/

Does look like thousands at Hyde Park

[He's here!]

Do you not think that while the rest of the country was gripped by funeral fever, the fact that a large screen in Scotland's capital city attracted less than 100 visitors is itself newsworthy? Or at least honestly reporting?

Said it on another thread but who would choose to head to Holyrood Park to a big screen when you have a day off work and can watch it at home with tea/coffee and biscuits on tap? I doubt many of those gripped by funeral fever in Edinburgh like myself even knew about the big screen. We were all glued to our tellys.

Our time for outdoor gatherings was last week, which was great. Yesterday was London's turn.

[Moulin Yarns]

Said it on another thread but who would choose to head to Holyrood Park to a big screen when you have a day off work and can watch it at home with tea/coffee and biscuits on tap? I doubt many of those gripped by funeral fever in Edinburgh like myself even knew about the big screen. We were all glued to our tellys.

Our time for outdoor gatherings was last week, which was great. Yesterday was London's turn.

Most likely tourists with nothing to do with everything closed


Also, someone mentioned the thousands watching in Hyde Park, they would be watching the service and then going to see the procession as it passed there.

[Glory Lurker]

And we're paying for stuff like this, copied from the news website just now:

"Dagestan is a mainly Muslim region of Russia once noted for intense violence"

Whit?

[CropleyWasGod]

Just listened to a BBC report on the Italian elections.They had a vox pop with 2 voters.

Both were critical of the result.

[OldEast]

Just listened to a BBC report on the Italian elections.They had a vox pop with 2 voters.

Both were critical of the result.

I hope they voted then. Reports saying lowest turnout ever. Not sure if that's right but very low for Italy.

Edit: just realised you said "voters" my mistake

[hibsbollah]

BBC silent on Al Jazeera allegations of misreporting and institutional bias.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/uk-labour-files-al-jazeera-revelations-blown-hole-media-corbyn-narrative?fbclid=IwAR3iKvdeP1xr5PVncLCInT1vX5tMAGP U7vLvS4BYY-RF0pddvSKjwqKjYNk

[hibsbollah]

Monbiot very good here on lobby groups that are behind Truss, and the BBC.
Rightwing thinktanks run this government. But first, they had to capture the BBC | George Monbiot | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/05/rightwing-thinktanks-government-bbc-news-programmes)

[Hibrandenburg]

Bizarre watching BBC news just now. They're reporting on the SNP conference in Aberdeen showing clips of SNP politicians making speeches but with BBC voice over reporting what they say they're saying and adding their slant on what that means for the unionist parties. Reminds me of the blackout on speeches from Sinn Féin. Utterly bizarre.

[ronaldo7]

Bizarre watching BBC news just now. They're reporting on the SNP conference in Aberdeen showing clips of SNP politicians making speeches but with BBC voice over reporting what they say they're saying and adding their slant on what that means for the unionist parties. Reminds me of the blackout on speeches from Sinn Féin. Utterly bizarre.

I'll get the low down on another thread from the resident unionists. No need for the BBC these days. 😂

[Moulin Yarns]

Bizarre watching BBC news just now. They're reporting on the SNP conference in Aberdeen showing clips of SNP politicians making speeches but with BBC voice over reporting what they say they're saying and adding their slant on what that means for the unionist parties. Reminds me of the blackout on speeches from Sinn Féin. Utterly bizarre.

The news at around half half past 5. Main news mentions the SNP conference but the Scottish news that followed had no mention at all.

[Kato]

The news at around half half past 5. Main news mentions the SNP conference but the Scottish news that followed had no mention at all.Compare that with the wall to wall coverage for the Tory Party, all summer they've been on the box.

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[James310]

Compare that with the wall to wall coverage for the Tory Party, all summer they've been on the box.

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The Scottish news was dominated by the death of Scottish serial killer Tobin. It's not every day a Scottish serial killer dies so it took up nearly all the programme.

[Kato]

The Scottish news was dominated by the death of Scottish serial killer Tobin. It's not every day a Scottish serial killer dies so it took up nearly all the programme.Wow. Lurid tabloid crap then. Why give over the whole news to such a worthless individual?

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[Moulin Yarns]

Wow. Lurid tabloid crap then. Why give over the whole news to such a worthless individual?

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Absolutely. The family of Vickie Hamilton said that they didn't want to remember Tobin. They said that they only want to remember Vickie.

[Hibrandenburg]

The Scottish news was dominated by the death of Scottish serial killer Tobin. It's not every day a Scottish serial killer dies so it took up nearly all the programme.

It's not every day that the SNP hold their party conference. I've still to hear 1 single speech from the conference on TV but instead just the BBC's slant on them. Even on the BBC website, if you enter "SNP Conference" into the search engine, all you get is 1 short clip of Keith Brown criticising Truss.

[marinello59]

It's not every day that the SNP hold their party conference. I've still to hear 1 single speech from the conference on TV but instead just the BBC's slant on them. Even on the BBC website, if you enter "SNP Conference" into the search engine, all you get is 1 short clip of Keith Brown criticising Truss.

It’s getting exactly the same coverage as every other Scottish party conference does. And you can watch it all on the SNP’s own YouTube channel if you are that interested.
I think the Greens are up next, you won’t see much of their conference either. Or Labours Scottish conference. Or the Tories Scottish conference. That’s the BBC for you, biased against absolutely everybody. :greengrin

[grunt]

The Scottish news was dominated by the death of Scottish serial killer Tobin. It's not every day a Scottish serial killer dies so it took up nearly all the programme.
Convenient story to allow the BBC to avoid reporting on SNP conference.

[Renfrew_Hibby]

It's not every day that the SNP hold their party conference. I've still to hear 1 single speech from the conference on TV but instead just the BBC's slant on them. Even on the BBC website, if you enter "SNP Conference" into the search engine, all you get is 1 short clip of Keith Brown criticising Truss.

I came in from work yesterday and flicked the telly on. Sky News was showing Blackfords speech live and uninterrupted. I went over to BBC news, nothing. Perhaps BBC Parliament had live coverage? Nada. Went to both BBC 1 & 2. Nothing again finally I though surely the BBC Scotland channel? Not a sausage.
Sky really is streets ahead and usually on the money with their coverage, no matter the subject. The BEEB on the other hand is just a government tool and sadly becoming no better than some two bit Russian state broadcaster.

[grunt]

I came in from work yesterday and flicked the telly on. Sky News was showing Blackfords speech live and uninterrupted. I went over to BBC news, nothing. Perhaps BBC Parliament had live coverage? Nada. Went to both BBC 1 & 2. Nothing again finally I though surely the BBC Scotland channel? Not a sausage.
Sky really is streets ahead and usually on the money with their coverage, no matter the subject. The BEEB on the other hand is just a government tool and sadly becoming no better than some two bit Russian state broadcaster.According to some on here, the death in prison of a 76 year old triple murderer is clearly FAR more important and merits taking up the whole of BBC Scotland news. Who wants to hear about the future of their country?

[marinello59]

Convenient story to allow the BBC to avoid reporting on SNP conference.

That’s a heroically Trumpian take on things. :greengrin

Swinneys speech today might attract a bit of attention but for the vast majority of people outside of the SNP faithful the only thing of interest from the whole weekend will be Sturgeon’s address tomorrow. I’ll be surprised if that doesn’t get significant coverage.

[grunt]

That’s a heroically Trumpian take on things. :na na:

[marinello59]

:na na:

:greengrin

[Hibrandenburg]

It’s getting exactly the same coverage as every other Scottish party conference does. And you can watch it all on the SNP’s own YouTube channel if you are that interested.
I think the Greens are up next, you won’t see much of their conference either. Or Labours Scottish conference. Or the Tories Scottish conference. That’s the BBC for you, biased against absolutely everybody. :greengrin

Except every minute of the Scottish Tory Party's Conferences since 2008 was available on BBC iplayer. :greengrin

[Kato]

The Scottish news was dominated by the death of Scottish serial killer Tobin. It's not every day a Scottish serial killer dies so it took up nearly all the programme.How important do you personally think Tobin's death is?

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[James310]

How important do you personally think Tobin's death is?

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It's about what's newsworthy I think people would be far more interested in it as a general news story than Keith Brown telling us how bad the Tory's and Labour are.

This constantly attacking the media and accusations of bias is so Donald Trump, its literally right out his play book.

Maybe there are some genuine concerns but they will get lost when literally everything is framed as some kind of conspiracy theory to get the SNP.

[grunt]

Maybe there are some genuine concerns but they will get lost when literally everything is framed as some kind of conspiracy theory to get the SNP.
If there are genuine concerns (there are), how do we get them addressed if we're not allowed to point out the bias?

[Kato]

It's about what's newsworthy I think people would be far more interested in it as a general news story than Keith Brown telling us how bad the Tory's and Labour are.

Ok, good to know where you're coming from.


This constantly attacking the media and accusations of bias is so Donald Trump, its literally right out his play book.

Is questioning a particular outlets editorial policy the same as shouting "fake news" at nazi- like rallies?


Maybe there are some genuine concerns but they will get lost when literally everything is framed as some kind of conspiracy theory to get the SNP.

Grow up.



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[marinello59]

Except every minute of the Scottish Tory Party's Conferences since 2008 was available on BBC iplayer. :greengrin

If that was on my internet search history I’d be deleting it and googling porn to cover it up. :greengrin

[Stairway 2 7]

People thinking bbc news is using a serial killers death to hide a snp party conference is next level 3g is tracking our vaccine mental stuff.

All the Scottish ,welsh and nirl conferences get minimal coverage. To be honest I bet the viewership is unbelievably small for each one. The only reason the tories got so much coverage because it was a bloodbath. The press rightfully demolished the farce of a party.

Conferences usually only get coverage on the mainstream if something or some policy is controversial

[Kato]

People thinking bbc news is using a serial killers death to hide a snp party conference is next level 3g is tracking our vaccine mental stuff.



That's not very fair on James310.


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[grunt]

Conferences usually only get coverage on the mainstream if something or some policy is controversial
And you think this demonstrates the strength and value to society of our mainstream media, and in particular the BBC? Perhaps we need to think again about what the media is there to do.

[James310]

People thinking bbc news is using a serial killers death to hide a snp party conference is next level 3g is tracking our vaccine mental stuff.

All the Scottish ,welsh and nirl conferences get minimal coverage. To be honest I bet the viewership is unbelievably small for each one. The only reason the tories got so much coverage because it was a bloodbath. The press rightfully demolished the farce of a party.

Conferences usually only get coverage on the mainstream if something or some policy is controversial

I see a trend of a number of Indy supporters getting more drawn into conspiracy theories, I saw a video online of the Yestival yesterday and they had a speaker going on about how IndyRef1 was rigged and any future referendum would be rigged as well.

[grunt]

I see a trend of a number of Indy supporters getting more drawn into conspiracy theories, I saw a video online of the Yestival yesterday and they had a speaker going on about how IndyRef1 was rigged and any future referendum would be rigged as well.
You said yourself just 30 minutes ago there were "genuine concerns"!!!! :confused:

It's not conspiracy theory to point out genuine concerns.

[Kato]

I see a trend of a number of Indy supporters getting more drawn into conspiracy theories, I saw a video online of the Yestival yesterday and they had a speaker going on about how IndyRef1 was rigged and any future referendum would be rigged as well.It was you who suggested the serial killer story took the headlines away from the SNP conference.

You and nobody else.

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[James310]

You said yourself just 30 minutes ago there were "genuine concerns"!!!! :confused:

It's not conspiracy theory to point out genuine concerns.

You think IndyRef1 was rigged? How? Any evidence?

[James310]

It was you who suggested the serial killer story took the headlines away from the SNP conference.

You and nobody else.

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We were talking about what was newsworthy story's. The death of one of Scotland's worst serial killers seems more newsworthy than Keith Brown telling us he hates the Tory's (and Labour now)

[grunt]

You think IndyRef1 was rigged? How? Any evidence?You've just changed the subject. I never mentioned anything about rigged referendums.

Although if you want to investigate a rigged referendum look no further than Brexit. And do I think some of the underhand dark-money funded activities which impacted that vote were also used in 2014, then yes I do. Perhaps you should prove it wasn't rigged?

[Hibrandenburg]

If that was on my internet search history I’d be deleting it and googling porn to cover it up. :greengrin

Secret mode and VPNs were invented for that very reason, porn is just an added bonus. :greengrin

[Stairway 2 7]

It was you who suggested the serial killer story took the headlines away from the SNP conference.

You and nobody else.

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No that's a simple fact. It was the main news story. I bet on any Scottish main media website that ranks its stories by click will have tobin above. It's sad but true but people lap it up, you can see by dahmer breaking records on Netflix. I'd love to see the party conference viewing figures on you tube I bet it's tiny. It will be smaller than the latest pish from Simon Ferry I bet.

[Kato]

We were talking about what was newsworthy story's. The death of one of Scotland's worst serial killers seems more newsworthy than Keith Brown telling us he hates the Tory's (and Labour now)So why try and twist the discussion into people believing conspiracy theories?

You're not really posting in good faith on this aspect are you. Are there two of you taking shifts on this account? There's a conspiracy theory for you (both).

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[grunt]

We were talking about what was newsworthy story's. The death of one of Scotland's worst serial killers seems more newsworthy than Keith Brown telling us he hates the Tory's (and Labour now)
That's a very biased take on the conference. Is the death of an OAP serial killer more important than the plans for the democratic future of a newly independent country?

[Stairway 2 7]

So why try and twist the discussion into people believing conspiracy theories?

You're not really posting in good faith on this aspect are you. Are there two of you taking shifts on this account? There's a conspiracy theory for you (both).

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Constant snipes is boring and it's no even me your aiming them at, be grown up

[Kato]

Constant snipes is boring and it's no even me your aiming them at, be grown up

It's not snipes when someone misrepresents posts to suit them one way and then represents them in another way to suit a separate reply - as though we can't read them.

You are doing the same.

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[James310]

So why try and twist the discussion into people believing conspiracy theories?

You're not really posting in good faith on this aspect are you. Are there two of you taking shifts on this account? There's a conspiracy theory for you (both).

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What's my other name then?

Afraid a few of you on here just seem to have a massive problem with someone who has a different view that isn't shaped by seeing everything through a particular lense.

[Stairway 2 7]

It's not snipes when someone misrepresents posts to suit them one way and then represents them in another way to suit a separate reply - as though we can't read them.

You are doing the same.

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Very good,keep on picking him out and saying he's two people or paid to post and the other crap I've read the last few days.

[James310]

That's a very biased take on the conference. Is the death of an OAP serial killer more important than the plans for the democratic future of a newly independent country?

For some yes, it's a more newsworthy story. Look at all the programmes and documentary's on Netflix etc about serial killers.

[marinello59]

And you think this demonstrates the strength and value to society of our mainstream media, and in particular the BBC? Perhaps we need to think again about what the media is there to do.

I’m an Indy supporting political geek and I’m struggling to see what particularly newsworthy story has come out of what has so far been one of the blandest political gatherings of the year. What have you seen that was of particular interest to non-SNP supporters?

[James310]

Very good,keep on picking him out and saying he's two people or paid to post and the other crap I've read the last few days.

It's just funny now. But I guess a complement? I am so good at posting I am a professional actually being paid for it by some secret organisation. I guess when I mess up and post some rubbish my trainee takes over, he forgets to log out my account. 😂

[Moulin Yarns]

How important do you personally think Tobin's death is?

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Well, 5 people have posted about it on this forum. I think that tells you how important it is to people.

[Stairway 2 7]

Just checked 218 people are watching the snp conference live on their YouTube channel. Saturdays second session has had 2100 views in total, sky's highlights clip got 9000. The highlights package from last year in 4000 views

There is a Peter tobin documentary called Peter tobin serial killer with 1.6 million views and another with 600,000. I find all that serial killer stuff a bit voyeurish, like murder porn. But the public are fascinated

[James310]

Just checked 218 people are watching the snp conference live on their YouTube channel. Saturdays second session has had 2100 views in total, sky's highlights clip got 9000. The highlights package from last year in 4000 views

There is a Peter tobin documentary called Peter tobin serial killer with 1.6 million views and another with 600,000. I find all that serial killer stuff a bit voyeurish, like murder porn. But the public are fascinated

The fact we are actually debating if people are more interested and intrigued by serial killers over Keith Brown of the SNPs speech is bizarre.

[Just Alf]

To try and get back on track... :greengrin



I notice even although they played the clip of NS announcing the aim of having a referendum next October... they always transpose the word when reporting on it

"Propose"

With the word

"Promise"

The beeb have done it repeatedly then go on to push her/indy supporters on the possible failure of keeping their promise.

.....

propose

verb

put forward (a plan or suggestion) for consideration by others.

"he proposed a new nine-point peace plan"

.......

promise

noun

a declaration or assurance that one will do something or that a particular thing will happen.

"what happened to all those firm promises of support?"

[Moulin Yarns]

The fact we are actually debating if people are more interested and intrigued by serial killers over Keith Brown of the SNPs speech is bizarre.

I agree, but you were the one who first mentioned Tobin on this thread. Want to explain why?

[Hibrandenburg]

It's about what's newsworthy I think people would be far more interested in it as a general news story than Keith Brown telling us how bad the Tory's and Labour are.

This constantly attacking the media and accusations of bias is so Donald Trump, its literally right out his play book.

Maybe there are some genuine concerns but they will get lost when literally everything is framed as some kind of conspiracy theory to get the SNP.


So you'll disagree with all of this then?

https://twitter.com/stephenfry/status/1578776116814172160?t=CaE2jI4BZtyBtv6tBGR5rQ&s=19

There are great concerns about our media and imo they are more than justified.

[Stairway 2 7]

I agree, but you were the one who first mentioned Tobin on this thread. Want to explain why?

Because that was clearly the biggest news story yesterday. Scotlands most notorious serial killer dying is always going to be huge news sadly

[Hibrandenburg]

Because that was clearly the biggest news story yesterday. Scotlands most notorious serial killer dying is always going to be huge news sadly

So there was only one story worthy of coverage yesterday?

[Stairway 2 7]

So you'll disagree with all of this then?

https://twitter.com/stephenfry/status/1578776116814172160?t=CaE2jI4BZtyBtv6tBGR5rQ&s=19

There are great concerns about our media and imo they are more than justified.

I agree with all of it, there is huge concerns bbc is definitely lurching right, but that has nothing to do with a non eventful conference not being huge news.

I've just checked and the live viewers of the conference is down to 196. Seems no one is that interested. Can watch it here, I'm sure you'll all push the numbers up
https://youtu.be/9jUmBFtLPP8

[Stairway 2 7]

So there was only one story worthy of coverage yesterday?

What?

[James310]

I agree, but you were the one who first mentioned Tobin on this thread. Want to explain why?

Sure, it was an explanation as to why the Scottish news never covered Keith Browns speech. Simple really.

[James310]

So you'll disagree with all of this then?

https://twitter.com/stephenfry/status/1578776116814172160?t=CaE2jI4BZtyBtv6tBGR5rQ&s=19

There are great concerns about our media and imo they are more than justified.

No I don't, why would I.

Genuine concerns are valid, in this case I don't think Keith Browns speech was more newsworthy than the death of one of Scotlands most notorious serial killers.

I am normally in the minority here but in this case I would suggest most people would agree.

[Moulin Yarns]

Sure, it was an explanation as to why the Scottish news never covered Keith Browns speech. Simple really.

It's not an explanation though.


The opening speach by the Deputy Leader of the third largest party in the UK, and the conference wasn't even mentioned in the early evening scottish news on the BBC.

Tobin was the headline, I get that, but surely a mention that the conference was taking place at least.

[He's here!]

That's a very biased take on the conference. Is the death of an OAP serial killer more important than the plans for the democratic future of a newly independent country?

That's a very dismissive take on things. How does Tobin being an OAP when he died in any way diminish the atrocity of his crimes? He was evil personified and there's more to this story than simply recording his death. Those who brought him to justice are convinced he killed many more women and girls and will be hoping against hope that the high profile reporting of his passing and the detailed revisiting of this deeply upsetting story may somehow, somewhere jog a memory or two. For folk who grew up in Scotland in recent decades, names like Vicky Hamilton and Susie Maxwell (a Robert Black victim) live forever in the memory due to the horror of what they suffered at the hands of serial killers and IMHO there's no limit to the lengths media should go to help out the familes whose lives have been forever blighted.

So yes, I would say a story like that comfortably takes precedence over a same old, same old SNP party conference. To claim it as an example of BBC bias is nonsense.

[James310]

It's not an explanation though.


The opening speach by the Deputy Leader of the third largest party in the UK, and the conference wasn't even mentioned in the early evening scottish news on the BBC.

Tobin was the headline, I get that, but surely a mention that the conference was taking place at least.

You should complain to the BBC then, if you don't like my view on why then I can't help you anymore.

[grunt]

Those who brought him to justice are convinced he killed many more women and girls and will be hoping against hope that the high profile reporting of his passing and the detailed revisiting of this deeply upsetting story may somehow, somewhere jog a memory or two. For folk who grew up in Scotland in recent decades, names like Vicky Hamilton and Susie Maxwell (a Robert Black victim) live forever in the memory due to the horror of what they suffered at the hands of serial killers and IMHO there's no limit to the lengths media should go to help out the familes whose lives have been forever blighted.
What an absurd interpretation of the BBC media strategy this is! You're surely just making it up, or is there somewhere a police chief echoing your story? Please tell me you're making it up?

[Hibrandenburg]

Just checked 218 people are watching the snp conference live on their YouTube channel. Saturdays second session has had 2100 views in total, sky's highlights clip got 9000. The highlights package from last year in 4000 views

There is a Peter tobin documentary called Peter tobin serial killer with 1.6 million views and another with 600,000. I find all that serial killer stuff a bit voyeurish, like murder porn. But the public are fascinated

8% of the UK population use YouTube as a source of news, as opposed to 76% who use the BBC.

[Hibrandenburg]

You should complain to the BBC then, if you don't like my view on why then I can't help you anymore.

Or complain on a thread designated to highlighting BBC biased :dunno:

[Kato]

Very good,keep on picking him out and saying he's two people or paid to post and the other crap I've read the last few days.Portraying a discussion on editorial decisions on BBC news as "conspiracy theories" is the crappest part of this thread today.

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[Kato]

For some yes, it's a more newsworthy story. Look at all the programmes and documentary's on Netflix etc about serial killers.It's an editorial decision and a cheap tabloid style one at that. You may think it's more important, or are just saying so, but that doesn't mean it's more newsworthy. BBC News isn't Netflix.

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[James310]

Or complain on a thread designated to highlighting BBC biased :dunno:

Fine, but (not you) don't demand answers from me on why it's happening.

[He's here!]

What an absurd interpretation of the BBC media strategy this is! You're surely just making it up, or is there somewhere a police chief echoing your story? Please tell me you're making it up?

Where did I say it was BBC 'strategy'? I'm just pointing out (correctly) that any coverage media outlets can provide in relation to unsolved crimes will be appreciated by those impacted by them. Tobin's passing, his horrific crimes and his oft-mooted connection to a string of unresolved murders more than justifies the lead story status.

That anyone seriously thinks an editorial 'strategy' decision was taken to knock the SNP conference off top spot is what's really absurd and in the realms of 'makey-up'.

Personally I imagine the SNP were quietly content that the likes of the joyless Brown and the ego-fuelled Blackford didn't get big licks as both are a turn-off for many.

Anyway, I don't think you need worry overmuch. Nicola will doubtless get top billing tomorrow.

[Stairway 2 7]

8% of the UK population use YouTube as a source of news, as opposed to 76% who use the BBC.

But we can't compare clicks on bbc website so where we can't get comparisons. From the same source you quoted, at the rate its going Facebook will be the uks most use source of news in the next 5 years, its already well in front of sky and bbc news channels. 57 were watching the conference on Facebook earlier.

It's worrying that people get there news from Facebook which has zero editorial standards

[Stairway 2 7]

It's an editorial decision and a cheap tabloid style one at that. You may think it's more important, or are just saying so, but that doesn't mean it's more newsworthy. BBC News isn't Netflix.

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What's the big news stories from the conference. I can't see anything even on independence sites

[Hibrandenburg]

But we can't compare clicks on bbc website so where we can't get comparisons. From the same source you quoted, at the rate its going Facebook will be the uks most use source of news in the next 5 years, its already well in front of sky and bbc news channels. 57 were watching the conference on Facebook earlier.

It's worrying that people get there news from Facebook which has zero editorial standards


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[Skol]

I don’t understand why people get so worked up about what they perceive to be bbc bias. I find the bbc output poor and just don’t watCh it

[Kato]

What's the big news stories from the conference. I can't see anything even on independence sitesI don't know what the big stories are. I know that if the Tory Party were deciding whether broon sauce or rid sauce was better with breakfast it would get more coverage than any other party.

You didn't address the idea that portraying editorial decisions as "conspiracy theories" was a bit naff. Care to take that one back?

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[grunt]

I don’t understand why people get so worked up about what they perceive to be bbc bias. I find the bbc output poor and just don’t watCh it
I think the concern is that for a large majority of people in the UK the BBC IS their main source of news, and therefore suggestions that the BBC may display a political bias by their choice of which stories to cover, and how they cover them, is a worry for the effectiveness of democracy in our land.

[Hibrandenburg]

I think the concern is that for a large majority of people in the UK the BBC IS their main source of news, and therefore suggestions that the BBC may display a political bias by their choice of which stories to cover, and how they cover them, is a worry for the effectiveness of democracy in our land.

:agree:

[Smartie]

Is it normal that I vote SNP, would vote yes if a referendum were held tomorrow but have minimal interest or less in what goes on at the SNP conference?

I’d probably want to hear about anything contentious, or get a wee snippet here or there but I honestly don’t know how much coverage the BBC really need to be giving it.

[Stairway 2 7]

I don't know what the big stories are. I know that if the Tory Party were deciding whether broon sauce or rid sauce was better with breakfast it would get more coverage than any other party.

You didn't address the idea that portraying editorial decisions as "conspiracy theories" was a bit naff. Care to take that one back?

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No. Bbc has a right wing slant now, they make editorial decisions. Scotlands most famous serial killer taking over the news infront of a Scottish conference where apparently nothing happened, is a conspiracy.

What's the big news story from the conference. Has the Scottish Labour or tory conference been, I genuinely have no idea or care. If anything important is said at them I'm sure I'll find out

[Stairway 2 7]

Is it normal that I vote SNP, would vote yes if a referendum were held tomorrow but have minimal interest or less in what goes on at the SNP conference?

I’d probably want to hear about anything contentious, or get a wee snippet here or there but I honestly didn’t n’t know how much coverage the BBC really need to be giving it.

I'm the same, I'm sure the vast majority are too

[Hibrandenburg]

Is it normal that I vote SNP, would vote yes if a referendum were held tomorrow but have minimal interest or less in what goes on at the SNP conference?

I’d probably want to hear about anything contentious, or get a wee snippet here or there but I honestly don’t know how much coverage the BBC really need to be giving it.


It's not just about information though, there's also the question about exposure, why should other parties receive more exposure. There's also the perceived narrative. You can guarantee now that they've had a conference where all relevant policies have been discussed throughout the week with zero coverage, there will be plenty of any mention of independence in Sturgeon's closing speech that will just reinforce the false perception that all the SNP talk about is independence.

[grunt]

Is it normal that I vote SNP, would vote yes if a referendum were held tomorrow but have minimal interest or less in what goes on at the SNP conference?

I’d probably want to hear about anything contentious, or get a wee snippet here or there but I honestly don’t know how much coverage the BBC really need to be giving it.
I rather agree with much of what you say, but I think you're missing something here. Compare and contrast - the Tory Conference was everywhere - the subject of podcasts, played in real time on multiple channels, lead items on news report, covered in acres of newsprint, and spoken about on forums like this around the country. Why? Because they're the governing party, and what they say, what they do and how they act impacts our every day lives.

The SNP conference barely merits a mention on the national broadcast news channel. It's barely anywhere, not in the news, not discussed online (apart from in politically knowledgeable sites like ours :wink:).

This leads to the assumption - I'm guessing here, bear with me - that the SNP are not important, have no say over things that impact peoples lives.

So it's not the content that's important, but to an extent it's the profile. The BBC are largely saying - this (Tory conference) is important, that (SNP conference) is not important. And people believe them. As we can see on here in spades.

[James310]

Is it normal that I vote SNP, would vote yes if a referendum were held tomorrow but have minimal interest or less in what goes on at the SNP conference?

I’d probably want to hear about anything contentious, or get a wee snippet here or there but I honestly don’t know how much coverage the BBC really need to be giving it.

Very normal.

[grunt]

It's not just about information though, there's also the question about exposure, why should other parties receive more exposure. There's also the perceived narrative. You can guarantee now that they've had a conference where all relevant policies have been discussed throughout the week with zero coverage, there will be plenty of any mention of independence in Sturgeon's closing speech that will just reinforce the false perception that all the SNP talk about is independence.You posted this while I was drafting mine, I agree with all that you say.

[Skol]

It seems to me that everyone believes the bbc are biased in favour of the other side of the argument.

[Stairway 2 7]

The Scottish and Welsh conferences have had no coverage. Labour I'd say the most coverage I saw was ripping there big union Jack. Some coverage on them saying they would make an energy company, nationalise rail and reintroduce 45p tax rate. They are all huge policies. If you want to be in the news announce big policies

Tories conference had the most coverage it has had in years. That's because the media was rightly lining up to demolish them. It was a bloodbath, newsworthy and terrible for the tories

[James310]

Put my TV on and see I had taped Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg, and low and behold it's live from Aberdeen and the SNP conference. What's going on as it's not even being broadcast just in Scotland, it's UK wide! It even has an interview with Nicola Sturgeon.

[Hibrandenburg]

Put my TV on and see I had taped Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg, and low and behold it's live from Aberdeen and the SNP conference. What's going on as it's not even being broadcast just in Scotland, it's UK wide! It even has an interview with Nicola Sturgeon.

Any coverage of the actual speeches?

[Kato]

No. Bbc has a right wing slant now, they make editorial decisions. Scotlands most famous serial killer taking over the news infront of a Scottish conference where apparently nothing happened, is a conspiracy.



Featuring it heavily in the way they did is most definitely an editorial choice. A cheap tabloid decision it is as well.

Rushing to portray it as a "conspircacy" was your choice of course.

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[Kato]

I'm the same, I'm sure the vast majority are tooDitto

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[He's here!]

The Scottish and Welsh conferences have had no coverage. Labour I'd say the most coverage I saw was ripping there big union Jack. Some coverage on them saying they would make an energy company, nationalise rail and reintroduce 45p tax rate. They are all huge policies. If you want to be in the news announce big policies

Tories conference had the most coverage it has had in years. That's because the media was rightly lining up to demolish them. It was a bloodbath, newsworthy and terrible for the tories

Exactly. You can hardly say the BBC painted a positive picture of what went on.

By and large party conferences are a bit like Comic Con events, where party devotees/self-confessed geeks can gather to meet like-minded folk and rub shoulders with a few 'celebs' if that's your kind of thing. Unless anything out of the ordinary takes place they're here today, gone tomorrow in terms of their impact.

I remain baffled that anyone genuinely thinks Peter Tobin's death isn't more newsworthy than a Tory-bashing couple of days in Aberdeen. Still, I'm sure an hour or so of strident indignation from Sturgeon when she takes to the podium tomorrow will appease the faithful...at least until the news filters through that there won't be another referendum any time soon.

[James310]

Any coverage of the actual speeches?

It's on before any speeches, but Nicola Sturgeon being given plenty of time and Joanna Cherry on from the SNP as well.

[cabbageandribs1875]

i never watch state TV nowadays except for sport but i noticed this BBC host Laura Kuenssberg interrupts Nicola Sturgeon 29 TIMES | The National (https://www.thenational.scot/news/23034310.bbc-host-laura-kuenssberg-interrupts-nicola-sturgeon-29-times/?fbclid=IwAR2WiZnkKjEuqPKtd6xvuk8HBRFr4a2jeOigVaSp zhoaQl31k5F_shHD9CI)

However, she seems to have found it hard to get many words in edgeways, as Kuenssberg interrupted again, and again, and again.
Over the 16-minute interview, the Jouker counted a total of 29 different interruptions from the BBC host.
The pattern of interrupting didn’t go unnoticed – with even the Express picking up a story on it.

is that about right ?

[Stairway 2 7]

Has there been any big news from the conference so far? I guess it's usually left for the leaders speech, just waffle before

[He's here!]

i never watch state TV nowadays except for sport but i noticed this BBC host Laura Kuenssberg interrupts Nicola Sturgeon 29 TIMES | The National (https://www.thenational.scot/news/23034310.bbc-host-laura-kuenssberg-interrupts-nicola-sturgeon-29-times/?fbclid=IwAR2WiZnkKjEuqPKtd6xvuk8HBRFr4a2jeOigVaSp zhoaQl31k5F_shHD9CI)

However, she seems to have found it hard to get many words in edgeways, as Kuenssberg interrupted again, and again, and again.
Over the 16-minute interview, the Jouker counted a total of 29 different interruptions from the BBC host.
The pattern of interrupting didn’t go unnoticed – with even the Express picking up a story on it.

is that about right ?

Sounds about right. And exactly what you'd expect from a political interviewer. 29 interruptions is a cakewalk compared to being interviewed by the likes of Andrew Neil or Jeremy Paxman.

Kuenssberg was right to push the point about the lack of appetite for a referendum next year because Sturgeon had no answer to that.

She should also have pulled her up on her rhetoric around the Tories mind you.