BBC bias again?

[McD]

I wonder if I would remember your dad, I was S3 when we moved.


Think he may have been S4, only went to the new school for a few weeks before he left school

[GORDONSMITH7]

As I've said on the Future of the Labour Party thread, it's hard for a balance to be struck when the Labour Party leadership refuse an invitation to take part in the programme.

I didn't see the programme as partisan at all. The testimonies of those forced out by Corbyn's crew were heartfelt and wholly believable.

Usual Tory rubbish. People have sussed you a long time ago mate.

BIG G

[Hibbyradge]

Usual Tory rubbish. People have sussed you a long time ago mate.

BIG G

:faf:

Do you even know what he's talking about?

[Hibrandenburg]

Anyone apologized for us losing to the new Huns at the old Ibrox yet?

[Moulin Yarns]

Read the article then decide if the headline is an accurate description of events.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-49620049

[lapsedhibee]

Read the article then decide if the headline is an accurate description of events.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-49620049

Ok have read. Impossible to tell from the article whether it conflicts with the headline, as it blames "counter-protestors". Marchers are Republican, protesters are not, who are the counter-protesters? :confused:

[The Harp Awakes]

Read the article then decide if the headline is an accurate description of events.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-49620049

I think the police have been pretty clear that the antagonists during last week's and yesterday's republican marches, were individuals within the counter demonstration, i.e., loyalists. On both occasions, the BBC either threw lazy journalism, through fear of taking sides or just through plain bias, have reported the sectarian violence as a whole.

There are thousands of orange marches which go ahead in Scotland every year, largely without any counter demonstration or incident. It would be interesting to see how the BBC would report on a disruptive pro republican counter demonstration in similar circumstances; I suspect the BBC would be more inclined to pinpoint blame.

[Cataplana]

Read the article then decide if the headline is an accurate description of events.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-49620049

I think it is, in that we need to know which march it happened at, and the fact that a police officer was injured.

What am I missing here?

[Moulin Yarns]

I think it is, in that we need to know which march it happened at, and the fact that a police officer was injured.

What am I missing here?

The harp awakes hits it on the nail. The violence, fireworks and injury to a policeman are a direct result of those not involved in either march, therefore the headline is slightly misleading. It is not the fact there were marches it is a fact that there were 'loyalists' counter demonstrating.


As an aside, I saw a nice story that just about sums up the average policeman. (apologies to any police looking in)

A woman was stopped by police who had seen what looked like large swords in her car. They asked where she was going, and she replied that she was on her way to a bookbinding demonstration (they were guillotine blades for cutting paper). The police asked what they were demonstrating about.

[Cataplana]

The harp awakes hits it on the nail. The violence, fireworks and injury to a policeman are a direct result of those not involved in either march, therefore the headline is slightly misleading. It is not the fact there were marches it is a fact that there were 'loyalists' counter demonstrating.


As an aside, I saw a nice story that just about sums up the average policeman. (apologies to any police looking in)

A woman was stopped by police who had seen what looked like large swords in her car. They asked where she was going, and she replied that she was on her way to a bookbinding demonstration (they were guillotine blades for cutting paper). The police asked what they were demonstrating about.

:faf: A very good example of police intelligence.

What came first though, the counter demonstration, or the march. It's the march that sets the context.

[Pretty Boy]

I think the police have been pretty clear that the antagonists during last week's and yesterday's republican marches, were individuals within the counter demonstration, i.e., loyalists. On both occasions, the BBC either threw lazy journalism, through fear of taking sides or just through plain bias, have reported the sectarian violence as a whole.

There are thousands of orange marches which go ahead in Scotland every year, largely without any counter demonstration or incident. It would be interesting to see how the BBC would report on a disruptive pro republican counter demonstration in similar circumstances; I suspect the BBC would be more inclined to pinpoint blame.

I read in The Sun (I know, I know but I was on a ferry and it was there) on Saturday that following a FOI request it was confirmed that in the last year there were almost 450 Orange and Loyalist marches and only 19 Republican marches.

Interestingly when you read the reporting, and indeed anecdotally gauge public perception, you would be forgiven for thinking the number of events on either side was comparable in number. It's very deliberately skewed reporting to avoid being seen to 'take sides'. I'd liken it to Nil By Mouths attempts to present the case that anti Protestant bigotry is as widespread as the anti Catholic equivalent. Anyone with a brain knows that is just nonsense but the bizarre pretence is kept up.

[Cataplana]

https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/lesley-riddoch-why-won-t-the-bbc-report-on-independence-marches-across-scotland-1-4999908

[GORDONSMITH7]

I read in The Sun (I know, I know but I was on a ferry and it was there) on Saturday that following a FOI request it was confirmed that in the last year there were almost 450 Orange and Loyalist marches and only 19 Republican marches.

Interestingly when you read the reporting, and indeed anecdotally gauge public perception, you would be forgiven for thinking the number of events on either side was comparable in number. It's very deliberately skewed reporting to avoid being seen to 'take sides'. I'd liken it to Nil By Mouths attempts to present the case that anti Protestant bigotry is as widespread as the anti Catholic equivalent. Anyone with a brain knows that is just nonsense but the bizarre pretence is kept up.

Scotland, wha's like us. Scotland's shame.

BIG G

[stoneyburn hibs]

June Sarpong appointed director of creative diversity for the BBC. Pathetic move.

Imo she is in no way qualified for this role , other than she's black.
She's also nippy as.

Naga

[Cataplana]

June Sarpong appointed director of creative diversity for the BBC. Pathetic move.

Imo she is in no way qualified for this role , other than she's black.
She's also nippy as.

Naga

Not disputing this, but isn't it ironic that so many incompetent people have been given jobs because of the colour of their skin?

The irony being, because they are white, we don't think twice about it.

[bigwheel]

June Sarpong appointed director of creative diversity for the BBC. Pathetic move.

Imo she is in no way qualified for this role , other than she's black.
She's also nippy as.

Naga

Think she is an outstanding choice - much more than a TV personality - has formed great networks over the years

Formed a woman’s innovation and enterprise network almost 10 years ago which is going from strength to strength

Created a VC fund and support structure for people with social changing innovative ideas ..

Strong political voice ...bright..challenges accepted wisdom

It is much more that the colour of her skin as the only reason which qualifies her for the role she has helped create and drive some admirable organisations and events ...

[Colr]

Not disputing this, but isn't it ironic that so many incompetent people have been given jobs because of the colour of their skin?

The irony being, because they are white, we don't think twice about it.

Good line that. I'm going to steal that one for later!!

[Cataplana]

Good line that. I'm going to steal that one for later!!

A work colleague once asked me why there aren't any straight pubs, only gay pubs.

I said, how can a pub have sexuality?

[Moulin Yarns]

A work colleague once asked me why there aren't any straight pubs, only gay pubs.

I said, how can a pub have sexuality?

I once had a trans vision, vamp. 😉

[Moulin Yarns]

STV are becoming just as bad. This is scotland tonight, where are the 3 SNP MEPS?


To assess the mood at the EU Summit, @thistlejohn joins us from Brussels. We’ll also hear from Scotland’s Brexit Party MEP @Lstedmanbryce. #scotnight 10.40pm https://t.co/goucmbEdak

[Hibbyradge]

I just listened to this for the first time in ages and I thought it was relevant to this thread.

Great lyrics.

https://youtu.be/qGaoXAwl9kw

[Fife-Hibee]

This one seems to have gone under the radar on this thread.

https://i.ibb.co/Bwggs9S/lolatlaura.png
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1185544195311853569

[Moulin Yarns]

This one seems to have gone under the radar on this thread.

https://i.ibb.co/Bwggs9S/lolatlaura.png
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1185544195311853569

I presume you saw the reply from the first minister. 😂

[Glory Lurker]

Sometimes it's the little things, like reporting that the lib dems and snp, in that order, are working together on a push for a general election. It's the snp and the lib dems, numerically.

[Andy Bee]

Sometimes it's the little things, like reporting that the lib dems and snp, in that order, are working together on a push for a general election. It's the snp and the lib dems, numerically.

:agree: I was watching Politics Live on Thu or Fri afternoon last week and they cut to a line graph of support for the different parties since the Brexit referendum I think, they'd amalgamated all the main polls and called it the poll of polls. For a second you could see that the SNP and Greens were pretty stable from the start then started to rise nearer the current time. I say "a second" because they then stuck an inlay of the person explaining the poll right over the SNP and Greens, exactly where the rise started occurring.

[Mibbes Aye]

Sometimes it's the little things, like reporting that the lib dems and snp, in that order, are working together on a push for a general election. It's the snp and the lib dems, numerically.

Yeah, or you could say that the Lib Dems are a national party contesting every seat in Britain and their historical forebears have formed U.K. governments. And they were part of the first devolved government in Scotland.

But then that would remove yet another little grievance for Nat supporters :greengrin

[Glory Lurker]

Yeah, or you could say that the Lib Dems are a national party contesting every seat in Britain and their historical forebears have formed U.K. governments. And they were part of the first devolved government in Scotland.

But then that would remove yet another little grievance for Nat supporters :greengrin

Given the whole thing depends on number of votes in parliament, lib dems are very much the minor partner in the move. Pointing stuff out isn't grievance.

[Cataplana]

Slightly chippy, I know, but we see this in sports coverage too.

The other night BBC commentators said "Rogers will be used to scores like this with Celtic."

Actually Celtic he wasn't. However, cricket scores are becoming common place in the best league in the world.

[Fife-Hibee]

Yeah, or you could say that the Lib Dems are a national party contesting every seat in Britain and their historical forebears have formed U.K. governments. And they were part of the first devolved government in Scotland.

But then that would remove yet another little grievance for Nat supporters :greengrin

So the British media standing up for the British system, even if it sticks 2 fingers up at Scotland.

[Mibbes Aye]

So the British media standing up for the British system, even if it sticks 2 fingers up at Scotland.

‘The British media’? You will have to explain that one. Because one minute it is all about supposed English dominance subjugating the Scots, despite the lack of evidence. Then it becomes a supposed British narrative being pushed, despite the lack of evidence.

You are good at sound bites, weak on content.

[Moulin Yarns]

Saw Andrew Marr this morning. Tory, Labour, libdems and green representatives on but when talking about the possible election the snp are missing. Work that one out. Who are pushing for the election? Libdems and SNP, but who didn't appear on the Andrew Marr show, apart from the usual farage representation?

[Fife-Hibee]

‘The British media’? You will have to explain that one. Because one minute it is all about supposed English dominance subjugating the Scots, despite the lack of evidence. Then it becomes a supposed British narrative being pushed, despite the lack of evidence.

You are good at sound bites, weak on content.

Are you serious about your lack of evidence claim? There's been countless posts on here outlining blatant bias from our so called "independent media". Everything from twisted headlines to political plants in crowds.

I say British, because I consider British and English to be pretty much synonymous. I don't consider Scotland as sharing the same "British values" that England does and tries to enforce onto us.

If you can't understand that, it's not from my failure to explain, it's from your failure to understand.

[Ozyhibby]

Given the whole thing depends on number of votes in parliament, lib dems are very much the minor partner in the move. Pointing stuff out isn't grievance.

It’s a Lib Dem bill. It was their idea. SNP just agreed to back it.


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[Fife-Hibee]

Saw Andrew Marr this morning. Tory, Labour, libdems and green representatives on but when talking about the possible election the snp are missing. Work that one out. Who are pushing for the election? Libdems and SNP, but who didn't appear on the Andrew Marr show, apart from the usual farage representation?

Ah well. At least Jo Swinson was once again shown up for her blatant hypocrisy in failing to deal with racism in her party. Shame he gives the tories a free ride on their racism problems.

[Glory Lurker]

It’s a Lib Dem bill. It was their idea. SNP just agreed to back it.


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I didn't pick that up from the reporting. If it is the case, and I'll take your word, then I retract this particular mump about the BBC.

[weecounty hibby]

Laura Kuenssberg. The propaganda arm of the British government. Does she ever check facts or does she just rehash wherever her "No10 insiders" tell her. Yet more bull**** from her regarding Saturdays Indy rally in Glasgow.

[Mibbes Aye]

Laura Kuenssberg. The propaganda arm of the British government. Does she ever check facts or does she just rehash wherever her "No10 insiders" tell her. Yet more bull**** from her regarding Saturdays Indy rally in Glasgow.

She is hardly pro-Tory but I guess if she doesn’t satisfy the grievance politics of the separatists then she is fair game to be victimised.

It is funny how women MPs or journos seem to be more often the target for critiicism from Nats or Brexiteers. Why would that be?

[Hiber-nation]

She is hardly pro-Tory but I guess if she doesn’t satisfy the grievance politics of the separatists then she is fair game to be victimised.

It is funny how women MPs or journos seem to be more often the target for critiicism from Nats or Brexiteers. Why would that be?

I've seen very little evidence of that other than one far leftie on here to be honest.

[Cataplana]

She is hardly pro-Tory but I guess if she doesn’t satisfy the grievance politics of the separatists then she is fair game to be victimised.

It is funny how women MPs or journos seem to be more often the target for critiicism from Nats or Brexiteers. Why would that be?

I think all parties operate on grievances. IIRC Labour, at one time, had a grievance over wealth distribution.

[Mibbes Aye]

I've seen very little evidence of that other than one far leftie on here to be honest.

No, the Swinson stuff is wide spread and just a wee bit disturbing.

As for the Nat you are referring to, it is disappointing that other Nats aren’t calling him out.

[Hibrandenburg]

She is hardly pro-Tory but I guess if she doesn’t satisfy the grievance politics of the separatists then she is fair game to be victimised.

It is funny how women MPs or journos seem to be more often the target for critiicism from Nats or Brexiteers. Why would that be?

History doesn't eliminate grievances, it lays them down like landmines, the BBC have enough previous for this.

As for your claim that Nats and Brexiters are more misogynist than the rest, well you've just made that up haven't you?

[Mibbes Aye]

History doesn't eliminate grievances, it lays them down like landmines, the BBC have enough previous for this.

As for your claim that Nats and Brexiters are more misogynist than the rest, well you've just made that up haven't you?

I think there is a ton of evidence to show that Remain female MPs have suffered more abuse than men. And sadly do we have to reference Jo Cox again?

As for the Nats, do you remember after the referendum? I called you out and another overseas poster about your tone and language. I described it as the kind of language you see by guys who carry out domestic violence. I made it clear I wasn’t accusing you of any such thing, just saying your language was very much the same as folk who do. All about blame, all about Yes voters being stupid and not knowing what was good for them.

[Smartie]

No, the Swinson stuff is wide spread and just a wee bit disturbing.

As for the Nat you are referring to, it is disappointing that other Nats aren’t calling him out.

I'm not a fan of Swinson. She is the very epitome of insincerity and I can fully understand why people wouldn't warm to her.

It is absolutely nothing to do with gender. The last politician who brought a similar emotion out in me was John Reid.

I am assuming that most of your "Nat" chat in this context is gentle trolling as there is very little evidence, anywhere, that a movement whose most prominent figures (Sturgeon and Cherry) are female could possibly be misogynistic.

Personally I'm not into lambasting a fellow poster. He has opinions, to which he is entitled. Some of them, especially the Swinson stuff, are bizarre. I'd say he gets called out often enough when fellow Nats disagree with his often controversial opinions.

[Mibbes Aye]

I'm not a fan of Swinson. She is the very epitome of insincerity and I can fully understand why people wouldn't warm to her.

It is absolutely nothing to do with gender. The last politician who brought a similar emotion out in me was John Reid.

I am assuming that most of your "Nat" chat in this context is gentle trolling as there is very little evidence, anywhere, that a movement whose most prominent figures (Sturgeon and Cherry) are female could possibly be misogynistic.

Personally I'm not into lambasting a fellow poster. He has opinions, to which he is entitled. Some of them, especially the Swinson stuff, are bizarre. I'd say he gets called out often enough when fellow Nats disagree with his often controversial opinions.

Fair post and for the avoidance of doubt I am not suggesting that Scottish nationalism is inherently mysognist.

I do worry about why Swinson gets such vituperative criticism on here from what is an almost entirely male post count. It doesn’t seem like it is all about her.

[Smartie]

Fair post and for the avoidance of doubt I am not suggesting that Scottish nationalism is inherently mysognist.

I do worry about why Swinson gets such vituperative criticism on here from what is an almost entirely male post count. It doesn’t seem like it is all about her.

I'd also say that this is fair.

Having said that I'm not a fan, some of the stuff you hear (here and elsewhere) doesn't seem proportionate. She's the leader of a minority party (albeit one who may well have a big role over the coming months) who is a bit insincere. She's not Maggie Thatcher, I can even understand why Unionists would hold a fair amount of resentment towards Sturgeon for threatening a Union so many hold dear. There are far, far more divisive characters in politics, both male and female.

[Hibrandenburg]

I think there is a ton of evidence to show that Remain female MPs have suffered more abuse than men. And sadly do we have to reference Jo Cox again?

As for the Nats, do you remember after the referendum? I called you out and another overseas poster about your tone and language. I described it as the kind of language you see by guys who carry out domestic violence. I made it clear I wasn’t accusing you of any such thing, just saying your language was very much the same as folk who do. All about blame, all about Yes voters being stupid and not knowing what was good for them.

Again, all of that is your subjective opinion. If you were being objective then you'd take into account the amount of abuse Wee Jimmy Crankie receives and or Theresa May. You're attempt to make political points out of your supposedly subjective view on misogyny is beneath you MA, you're better that.

[weecounty hibby]

She is hardly pro-Tory but I guess if she doesn’t satisfy the grievance politics of the separatists then she is fair game to be victimised.

It is funny how women MPs or journos seem to be more often the target for critiicism from Nats or Brexiteers. Why would that be?
In replying to my post, are you accusing me of something? I am not aware of me having singled out any female MPs or journalists in the past for specific criticism and certainly not due to gender. I've said before that I don't buy into grievance politics but as the BBCs political editor she should be checking what she is saying. Her gender means diddly squat to me, just the way she seems to be reporting at the moment

[weecounty hibby]

Fair post and for the avoidance of doubt I am not suggesting that Scottish nationalism is inherently mysognist.

I do worry about why Swinson gets such vituperative criticism on here from what is an almost entirely male post count. It doesn’t seem like it is all about her.
I would agree with you on that if I knew wtf vituperative actually meant!! Has it got to the stage though that you cannot criticise a female without being called sexist. Sometimes people just have a seemingly irrational dislike for others and may not be based in gender

[Fife-Hibee]

I've seen very little evidence of that other than one far leftie on here to be honest.

Yes. But interestingly, he's also accused of being far right by others on here. So he's probably just somewhere in the "centre ground".

[Fife-Hibee]

I think there is a ton of evidence to show that Remain female MPs have suffered more abuse than men. And sadly do we have to reference Jo Cox again?

Just because a group whinges louder, doesn't mean they're subjected to a higher level of abuse compared to those who handle it in a more subtle manner. You assume women are subject to more abuse than men, because you hear about it more. The reason you hear about it more is because they make a louder spectacle over the criticism they receive. Even if that criticism doesn't even criticise them for being women at all.

Crying sexism whenever somebody is given a hard time who just so happens to be a women is the argument of someone who doesn't even have one.

[RyeSloan]

Just because a group whinges louder, doesn't mean they're subjected to a higher level of abuse compared to those who handle it in a more subtle manner. You assume women are subject to more abuse than men, because you hear about it more. The reason you hear about it more is because they make a louder spectacle over the criticism they receive. Even if that criticism doesn't even criticise them for being women at all.

Crying sexism whenever somebody is given a hard time who just so happens to be a women is the argument of someone who doesn't even have one.

Classic post.

[Fife-Hibee]

I haven't seen anyone come out and claim "sexism" over the criticism that Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn recieves. Why is that? How do we know people aren't simply hating on them for being men? :confused:

Why should women in politics be given a criticism free ticket? They shouldn't.

Whether you agree with the criticism a politician recieves (regardless of their gender, race, religion.... etc) is neither here or there. Because politics ultimately comes down to opinions and trying to shut down a persons opinion by playing the racist, sexist, sectarian card says more about you than it does about the person exercising their right to freely criticize the politics of a publicly paid MP.

[Mibbes Aye]

Just because a group whinges louder, doesn't mean they're subjected to a higher level of abuse compared to those who handle it in a more subtle manner. You assume women are subject to more abuse than men, because you hear about it more. The reason you hear about it more is because they make a louder spectacle over the criticism they receive. Even if that criticism doesn't even criticise them for being women at all.

Crying sexism whenever somebody is given a hard time who just so happens to be a women is the argument of someone who doesn't even have one.

What an embarrassment of a post.

[marinello59]

Just because a group whinges louder, doesn't mean they're subjected to a higher level of abuse compared to those who handle it in a more subtle manner. You assume women are subject to more abuse than men, because you hear about it more. The reason you hear about it more is because they make a louder spectacle over the criticism they receive. Even if that criticism doesn't even criticise them for being women at all.

Crying sexism whenever somebody is given a hard time who just so happens to be a women is the argument of someone who doesn't even have one.

And you were upset when somebody called you out for having a problem with women? You really shouldn't have been.

[Hibrandenburg]

Not BBC but Sky News have invited the leaders of the UK's largest parties to a TV debate, with one noticable exception.

[Fife-Hibee]

Not BBC but Sky News have invited the leaders of the UK's largest parties to a TV debate, with one noticable exception.

Their argument is that the SNP aren't a UK wide party..... despite having the 3rd largest representation in the UK Parliament.

Going by that logic, the conservatives shouldn't be included in the debate either, as they don't have a single elected MP in Northern Ireland.

[Future17]

Their argument is that the SNP aren't a UK wide party..... despite having the 3rd largest representation in the UK Parliament.

Going by that logic, the conservatives shouldn't be included in the debate either, as they don't have a single elected MP in Northern Ireland.

But they do field candidates there.

[Smartie]

The debates shouldn't be shown in Scotland or Northern Ireland.

They can be influential, some folk won't do much more than just watch them. This isn't just sour grapes from a "Nat", the way politics is at the moment Corbyn, Johnson and Swinson could all come out of it badly, handing an advantage to those who weren't there.

This type of thing suits a genuine 2 party system, that's not what we have.

[Hibrandenburg]

Their argument is that the SNP aren't a UK wide party..... despite having the 3rd largest representation in the UK Parliament.

Going by that logic, the conservatives shouldn't be included in the debate either, as they don't have a single elected MP in Northern Ireland.

Just another grievance, move along now, nothing to see.

[Moulin Yarns]

But they do field candidates there.


Why do they bother?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland_Conservatives

[Berwickhibby]

In my honest opinion we, the electorate, are being lied to, deceived and allowing politicians of every persuasion to fill their own pockets with expenses and gold plated pensions. The working people are getting less services from Government however there appears to be a rise in high paying management jobs for their pals. Added to the poor reporting and representation by the media ....they can all GTF

[Fife-Hibee]

In my honest opinion we, the electorate, are being lied to, deceived and allowing politicians of every persuasion to fill their own pockets with expenses and gold plated pensions. The working people are getting less services from Government however there appears to be a rise in high paying management jobs for their pals. Added to the poor reporting and representation by the media ....they can all GTF

:agree: :top marks

[Hibrandenburg]

In my honest opinion we, the electorate, are being lied to, deceived and allowing politicians of every persuasion to fill their own pockets with expenses and gold plated pensions. The working people are getting less services from Government however there appears to be a rise in high paying management jobs for their pals. Added to the poor reporting and representation by the media ....they can all GTF

That's what to expect after 12 years of Tories :dunno:

[Ozyhibby]

https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1193847010316738560?s=21

I see the BBC used footage from two years ago of Johnson laying a wreath rather than yesterday’s when he looked like he’d been on a week long bender. Must be nice to know they have his back.


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[Fife-Hibee]

https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1193847010316738560?s=21

I see the BBC used footage from two years ago of Johnson laying a wreath rather than yesterday’s when he looked like he’d been on a week long bender. Must be nice to know they have his back.


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I'm surprised they didn't use the 2019 clip with Corbyn's face cut and pasted over it tbh.

[Hibrandenburg]

https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1193847010316738560?s=21

I see the BBC used footage from two years ago of Johnson laying a wreath rather than yesterday’s when he looked like he’d been on a week long bender. Must be nice to know they have his back.


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That can only be intentional, you can't just accidentally slip in a piece of archive footage.

[Fife-Hibee]

She just can't help herself.

https://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/uploads/monthly_2019_11/IMG_7829.thumb.jpg.9c47b68345870e26b60d3f4a5e49082 7.jpg

[HibbyDave]

https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1193847010316738560?s=21

I see the BBC used footage from two years ago of Johnson laying a wreath rather than yesterday’s when he looked like he’d been on a week long bender. Must be nice to know they have his back.


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Apparently it was because he stepped out of the line of dignitaries
Too soon and believe it or not..... he laid the wreath upside down!
The man is a clown.

[Fife-Hibee]

Apparently it was because he stepped out of the line of dignitaries
Too soon and believe it or not..... he laid the wreath upside down!
The man is a clown.

Yep, did both.

You can bet your life that the BBC wouldn't have made the same "mistake", had it been Corbyn instead. They'd be showing it over and over again (they haven't shown a repeat of the Boris gaff once) with the narrative that Corbyn is some sort of terrorist sympathizer.

[Bristolhibby]

Yep, did both.

You can bet your life that the BBC wouldn't have made the same "mistake", had it been Corbyn instead. They'd be showing it over and over again (they haven't shown a repeat of the Boris gaff once) with the narrative that Corbyn is some sort of terrorist sympathizer.

Yet the big talk is Corbyn didn’t “bow” properly.

J

[CloudSquall]

That can only be intentional, you can't just accidentally slip in a piece of archive footage.

Yeah I was reading on Twitter that the archives are under lock and key, no one can just rock up and take some footage for a clip.

Had to have been coordinated.

[Mibbes Aye]

Yeah I was reading on Twitter that the archives are under lock and key, no one can just rock up and take some footage for a clip.

Had to have been coordinated.

I wasn’t sure myself but now I know it’s been on Twitter, well then it must be fact :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

It seems like a very strange mistake to make. It would be like News at Ten bringing you the goals from yesterday’s Liverpool win over Man City and accidentally playing a clip from a game two years ago. I just can’t see how that happens?
The BBC do appear to be making a lot of mistakes that always seem to favour one side.


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[matty_f]

It seems like a very strange mistake to make. It would be like News at Ten bringing you the goals from yesterday’s Liverpool win over Man City and accidentally playing a clip from a game two years ago. I just can’t see how that happens?
The BBC do appear to be making a lot of mistakes that always seem to favour one side.


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Just for perspective, Sportscene showed footage of Easter Road before the game against Livi (or maybe Ross County) in their highlights package that was actually archived footage from the last derby, so it's not beyond the realms of possibility that it was accidental.

These things do happen.

[southsider]

Yet the big talk is Corbyn didn’t “bow” properly.

J
Remember the abuse Michel Foot got for wearing a ‘donkey jacket’ at Remembrance Sunday. Any chance he had of becoming PM disappeared that day.

[Fife-Hibee]

The silence is deafening regarding Bolivia.

[Ozyhibby]

The silence is deafening regarding Bolivia.

It’s all over the news?


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[Fife-Hibee]

It’s all over the news?


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Really? Haven't heard a thing about it on the BBC news channel. Perhaps they have some obscure article hidden away on their website somewhere to meet the standards quota.

[marinello59]

Really? Haven't heard a thing about it on the BBC news channel. Perhaps they have some obscure article hidden away on their website somewhere to meet the standards quota.

As Oz said it's been all over the news.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-50383608

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-50391457/bolivia-crisis-aez-willing-to-take-control

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-50384735

[The Harp Awakes]

She just can't help herself.

https://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/uploads/monthly_2019_11/IMG_7829.thumb.jpg.9c47b68345870e26b60d3f4a5e49082 7.jpg

Given LK is the BBC's political editor you'd have thought she would at least try to be neutral. I've noticed for some time that she rarely gets involved in SNP news items. The odd time she does her demeanour and body language clearly shows her distaste, which is probably why she avoids them.

The article she did on the BBC news website about Nicola Sturgeon ~ 1 week ago was outrageous and displayed clear bias.

[Ozyhibby]

Really? Haven't heard a thing about it on the BBC news channel. Perhaps they have some obscure article hidden away on their website somewhere to meet the standards quota.

Looks like another straight forward case of a socialist leader starts of popular, starts to lose popularity so fixed election to stay in power. People say no thanks and take to the streets. Army and Police decide to back the people and he stands down and flees to Mexico. New election due soon.


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[lapsedhibee]

Given LK is the BBC's political editor.

Norman Smith and Vicky Young both seem better to me. Can't see at all why she's top banana.

[Ozyhibby]

Norman Smith and Vicky Young both seem better to me. Can't see at all why she's top banana.

Personally think she is very good. And she’s top because she was willing to move away to ITV and the BBC were desperate to get her back so offered her the top job.


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[Fife-Hibee]

Looks like another straight forward case of a socialist leader starts of popular, starts to lose popularity so fixed election to stay in power. People say no thanks and take to the streets. Army and Police decide to back the people and he stands down and flees to Mexico. New election due soon.

Another straight forward case of a far right US sponsered uprising to overthrow a popular left wing government. Army's generally do side with the far-right, as it generally means more funding and more wars.

[Ozyhibby]

Another straight forward case of a far right US sponsered uprising to overthrow a popular left wing government. Army's generally do side with the far-right, as it generally means more funding and more wars.

If they were popular surely they wouldn’t have ignored term limits and then fixed an election?
That’s the problem with socialism. It always seems to lead to the suspension of democracy eventually.


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[Bristolhibby]

If they were popular surely they wouldn’t have ignored term limits and then fixed an election?
That’s the problem with socialism. It always seems to lead to the suspension of democracy eventually.


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Nope. These lot seem to be doing fine.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model

J

[Ozyhibby]

Nope. These lot seem to be doing fine.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model

J

They are all pretty capitalist free market economies. They have high welfare spending but that’s about it.


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[Bristolhibby]

They are all pretty capitalist free market economies. They have high welfare spending but that’s about it.


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TBF this is what we are talking about with Corbyn and Labour. The way the media goes on you’d think Labour were the Khmer Rouge.

J

[Hibrandenburg]

TBF this is what we are talking about with Corbyn and Labour. The way the media goes on you’d think Labour were the Khmer Rouge.

J

The hypocrisy is incredible. I had to fact check this meme because I couldn't believe that a newspaper would consider it's readers to be so thick that they'd swallow the blatant lies but apparently they do and they are.

[Fife-Hibee]

Not the BBC, but an express article (yeah, I know, I know....). But unionists seem to be getting their knickers in a twist over the unemployment figures in Scotland. - https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1203329/general-election-news-Scotland-latest-SNP-Nicola-Sturgeon-Farage-Brexit-latest

The article states: "The unemployment rate in Scotland is now 4 percent, compared with 3.8 percent for the UK as a whole."

What it omits to mention is that the unemployment rate in the North East of England is actually 5.9% - https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/north-east-unemployment-gap-rest-17245544?fbclid=IwAR2ocZ6cACtwAb69QLJSZZ2GnwFjkXtx OjokEJcdsarJdhoZPuM_5PCuGjg

Growing evidence that Brexit is going to hurt the North far harder, regardless of whether it's in Scotland or the North of England. But that doesn't suit the expresses pro-brexit narrative of course.

[speedy_gonzales]

Not the BBC, but an express article (yeah, I know, I know....). But unionists seem to be getting their knickers in a twist over the unemployment figures in Scotland. - https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1203329/general-election-news-Scotland-latest-SNP-Nicola-Sturgeon-Farage-Brexit-latest

The article states: "The unemployment rate in Scotland is now 4 percent, compared with 3.8 percent for the UK as a whole."

What it omits to mention is that the unemployment rate in the North East of England is actually 5.9% - https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/north-east-unemployment-gap-rest-17245544?fbclid=IwAR2ocZ6cACtwAb69QLJSZZ2GnwFjkXtx OjokEJcdsarJdhoZPuM_5PCuGjg

Growing evidence that Brexit is going to hurt the North far harder, regardless of whether it's in Scotland or the North of England. But that doesn't suit the expresses pro-brexit narrative of course.

I'm not willing to open the Express link due to the amount of cookie permission it requires, but the numbers appear to be fact (so what's the beef) and we don't like it when others compare Scotland to a region so it's probably for the best were don't do likewise. Even the 4% figure for Scotland probably has a swing from 3-5% around the country,,,, maybe even more?!?

[Fife-Hibee]

I'm not willing to open the Express link due to the amount of cookie permission it requires, but the numbers appear to be fact (so what's the beef) and we don't like it when others compare Scotland to a region so it's probably for the best were don't do likewise. Even the 4% figure for Scotland probably has a swing from 3-5% around the country,,,, maybe even more?!?

I never said it wasn't factual. It's the way they alter reader perception by being very selective about the way they present the facts. You could quite easily jump to the conclusion that Scotland is an unemployment ridden hell hole from reading that article (which it tries desperately to associate with the SNP).

I think it's only fair to compare Scotland to areas of the UK with similar population sizes when it comes to these kind of statistics.

The narrative of the article is that Scotland is doing worse than the UK as a whole. But when you break things down properly, Scotland is far from being the worst place in the UK with a population size of 4-6 million where unemployment is concerned. Which gives a whole different perspective in my opinion.

[speedy_gonzales]

I never said it wasn't factual. It's the way they alter reader perception by being very selective about the way they present the facts. You could quite easily jump to the conclusion that Scotland is an unemployment ridden hell hole from reading that article (which it tries desperately to associate with the SNP).

I think it's only fair to compare Scotland to areas of the UK with similar population sizes when it comes to these kind of statistics.

The narrative of the article is that Scotland is doing worse than the UK as a whole. But when you break things down properly, Scotland is far from being the worst place in the UK with a population size of 4-6 million where unemployment is concerned. Which gives a whole different perspective in my opinion.

Fair enough, there are many political points to be made from extrapolating data, I just think it's a bit disingenuous to compare the stats for our whole country to a region of another country that has historically had periods of high unemployment, regardless if the population numbers are similar.
I had a similar discussion this week already with a news article in the EEN (https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/people/men-one-part-edinburgh-among-uks-top-earners-ps1000-week-and-they-also-work-shortest-hours-920831) highlighting how the south Edinburgh constituency has one of the highest average wages for males, but that image does not reflect the reality on the ground. The figures aren't wrong but the interpretation and portrayal is not recognised by many of my peers.

[jonty]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bbc-whistleblower-bosses-suppressing-russia-stories-lwzn2pm9x


BBC bosses have been accused of pulling the plug on politically sensitive reports into the close links between leading politicians and Russia.

John Sweeney, a BBC investigative reporter, has turned whistleblower and filed a complaint against the corporation with Ofcom, the broadcasting watchdog. He alleges investigations into Labour’s Lord Mandelson, the former Tory cabinet minister John Whittingdale, the Brexit funder Arron Banks, the oligarch Roman Abramovich and the far-right activist Tommy Robinson were all dropped.

He claims that other potential reports into “the pro-Russian sympathies of Labour spin doctor Seumas Milne” were never even commissioned by BBC editors

The rest is behind a paywall

[Tyler Durden]

https://twitter.com/mikegalsworthy/status/1193847010316738560?s=21

I see the BBC used footage from two years ago of Johnson laying a wreath rather than yesterday’s when he looked like he’d been on a week long bender. Must be nice to know they have his back.


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They’ve been at it again this weekend.

The BBC news showed a clip from Fridays Question Time, where a lady asked Johnson about trust, prompting laughter from the audience. The news have used that question but removed the laughter, making it instead seem like the question was applauded.

Bonkers stuff and there seems to be no accountability for this nonsense which is happening quite regularly now.

[Ozyhibby]

They’ve been at it again this weekend.

The BBC news showed a clip from Fridays Question Time, where a lady asked Johnson about trust, prompting laughter from the audience. The news have used that question but removed the laughter, making it instead seem like the question was applauded.

Bonkers stuff and there seems to be no accountability for this nonsense which is happening quite regularly now.

They have just admitted they made a ‘mistake’. [emoji849]
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/bbc-admits-mistake-made-in-boris-johnson-question-time-clip-edit-1-5051998/amp?__twitter_impression=true



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[HiBremian]

They have just admitted they made a ‘mistake’. [emoji849]
https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/bbc-admits-mistake-made-in-boris-johnson-question-time-clip-edit-1-5051998/amp?__twitter_impression=true



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was the news story.


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[SHODAN]

How many "mistakes" is it possible for a so-called "impartial" broadcaster to make that uniformly favours one specific person?

[Cataplana]

How many "mistakes" is it possible for a so-called "impartial" broadcaster to make that uniformly favours one specific person?

I would pose that question to broadcasters in China, Russia or Iran.

[cabbageandribs1875]

end the BBC licence fee

https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/end-the-bbc-licence-fee?bucket&source=facebook-share-email-button&time=1571479266&utm_campaign&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3T_emP-IPQB3e_GTkjWhywMm54eVx4684l6kQK9glnTJ_lAtp8q1HvA2A


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[grunt]

Letter from broadcaster John Sweeney to Ofcom re BBC refusing to show certain films which investigated the far right.

https://www.johnsweeney.co.uk/?p=letter.to.ofcom



I am writing to you as a reluctant whistle-blower to ask for a thorough investigation into BBC News and Current Affairs in regard to, firstly, a number of films relating to the far-right, Russia and Brexit that were not broadcast, secondly, films that were broadcast but were improperly compromised and, thirdly, a number of senior journalists who have been allowed to compromise BBC editorial values by taking financial inducements or benefits in kind.

[grunt]

Also, what is BBC political editor Laura K doing tweeting about this xenophobic right wing blog?

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1199735028558815232?s=21

[grunt]

Let's not talk about how the UK Government is planning to sell the NHS to the Americans, oh no, let's talk about ... scones.

Diversion, deflection, evasion.

https://twitter.com/louhaigh/status/1199792151078612992?s=21

[Ozyhibby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-50581017?__twitter_impression=true

NHS very much on the table according to the BBC.


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[One Day Soon]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/business-50581017?__twitter_impression=true

NHS very much on the table according to the BBC.


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That BBC news article literally says exactly the opposite of what you have posted.

[lapsedhibee]

That BBC news article literally says exactly the opposite of what you have posted.

Not to me. It indicates that stuff has been on the table, and that Johnson has denied it is on the table. Up to the reader how much weight to give to the Johnson assurances.

[JeMeSouviens]

That BBC news article literally says exactly the opposite of what you have posted.

When you say "NHS on the table" do you actually mean private ownership of NHS facilities by US owned companies? Nobody sensible is actually suggesting that although I accept that the Labour spin is intended to create the impression they might be in the minds of impressionable voters.

The bottom line is that the US will get what it wants out of any trade deal or there will be no trade deal. And what it wants is a lowering of standards and protections. Which is also what a lot of UK right wingers want. They know it will be unpopular but if they have a comfortable majority their attitude will be wgaf?

[One Day Soon]

When you say "NHS on the table" do you actually mean private ownership of NHS facilities by US owned companies? Nobody sensible is actually suggesting that although I accept that the Labour spin is intended to create the impression they might be in the minds of impressionable voters.

The bottom line is that the US will get what it wants out of any trade deal or there will be no trade deal. And what it wants is a lowering of standards and protections. Which is also what a lot of UK right wingers want. They know it will be unpopular but if they have a comfortable majority their attitude will be wgaf?

Did you mean to post to me?

[JeMeSouviens]

Did you mean to post to me?

Yes. Trying to figure out what you are saying the article doesn't say. :greengrin

[One Day Soon]

Yes. Trying to figure out what you are saying the article doesn't say. :greengrin


FFS, life's confusing enough. I'm saying that it doesn't say what the other guy is saying that it says.

[grunt]

What do you make of this headline on the BBC News website?


Scotland 'could have helped hundreds avoid HIV'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-50976611

It reads as though the Scottish Blood Transfusion Service is at fault. The story is in fact, that they were never asked for help.

[Just Alf]

What do you make of this headline on the BBC News website?


Scotland 'could have helped hundreds avoid HIV'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-50976611

It reads as though the Scottish Blood Transfusion Service is at fault. The story is in fact, that they were never asked for help. I saw the headline on my phone at work and assumed that the Scottish government or the Scottish NHS had let those in need down (in Scotland).

Not read the article yet as I've come to Hibs.net 1st :-)



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[Mibbes Aye]

What do you make of this headline on the BBC News website?


Scotland 'could have helped hundreds avoid HIV'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-50976611

It reads as though the Scottish Blood Transfusion Service is at fault. The story is in fact, that they were never asked for help.


I think it depends on your political perspective, to be honest. If you are a Nat you can read the headline as criticism of ‘Scotland’, which very much fits the grievance culture.

If you aren’t a Nat you can read it as a failure to work with NHS Scotland.

The first sentence, and indeed the whole article make it clear where the blame lies.

The Guardian perhaps reported it more assertively, describing it as a ‘refusal’ to work with the Scottish NHS. That feels more precise.

[1875godsgift]

What do you make of this headline on the BBC News website?


Scotland 'could have helped hundreds avoid HIV'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-50976611

It reads as though the Scottish Blood Transfusion Service is at fault. The story is in fact, that they were never asked for help.


A badly worded headline, IMO, but I'm sure they knew that.

'Hundreds of HIV deaths could tragically have been avoided' might have been less open to misinterpretation.

[Curried]

It must stick in their craw reporting this, despite omitting the >100,000 attending:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-51067690

[lapsedhibee]

It must stick in their craw reporting this, despite omitting the >100,000 attending:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-51067690

It does quote AUOB's estimated attendance of 80,000 though.

[Curried]

It does quote AUOB's estimated attendance of 80,000 though.

Interesting....It appears that the BBC have now updated their original webpage posting on this to include a reference to the AUOB estimate tweeted at 11.49 pm.

[Moulin Yarns]

Well, if you want to be on BBC question time, pose as a tory


https://skwawkbox.org/2020/01/24/video-man-poses-as-tory-to-get-onto-bbcqt-then-hammers-media-for-dividing-communities-to-help-tories-rule/

[Future17]

BBC's stock Sturgeon Coronavirus photo is one of her touching her face. Conspiracy.:greengrin

[Curried]

Deary me.....Labour leading the charge now to gag public health updates in the middle of a global pandemic:

https://twitter.com/GeorgeFoulkes/status/1304094222870556672

[Rocky]

Deary me.....Labour leading the charge now to gag public health updates in the middle of a global pandemic:

https://twitter.com/GeorgeFoulkes/status/1304094222870556672
What a disgusting individual. This decision has a real impact on people, my mum was on to me last night trying to figure out how she could still see the daily briefings now that the BBC is canning them.

[Beefster]

What a disgusting individual. This decision has a real impact on people, my mum was on to me last night trying to figure out how she could still see the daily briefings now that the BBC is canning them.

They’re streaming them online and important ones will be broadcast live. Anything important will also be widely reported, including on the major news channels.

They’ve not all been so but I’ve watched quite a few that have effectively been party political broadcasts. One about all the action taken by the Government for the economy stands out as being a corker. FWIW I thought the same about the UK Government’s briefings once they started running out of new things to tell us on a daily basis.

[Curried]

They’re streaming them online and important ones will be broadcast live. Anything important will also be widely reported, including on the major news channels.

They’ve not all been so but I’ve watched quite a few that have effectively been party political broadcasts. One about all the action taken by the Government for the economy stands out as being a corker. FWIW I thought the same about the UK Government’s briefings once they started running out of new things to tell us on a daily basis.

What are the important ones? It's an editorial decision by the BBC which is now fronted by a Tory DG. I've watched most of them since day one, and I can't recall independence or the SNP being mentioned once. You believe they are political simply because you feel the wind of change, and cant bear your precious union ending so are clutching at any straw you can reach. Suck it up, this is a massive own goal by the BBC.

[weecounty hibby]

They’re streaming them online and important ones will be broadcast live. Anything important will also be widely reported, including on the major news channels.

They’ve not all been so but I’ve watched quite a few that have effectively been party political broadcasts. One about all the action taken by the Government for the economy stands out as being a corker. FWIW I thought the same about the UK Government’s briefings once they started running out of new things to tell us on a daily basis.

Disagree completely. My 78 year old mother who wouldn't vote for SNP or independence if her life depended on it has watched it every day for her info on what to do and what not to do. She has been very complimentary on how Nicola Sturgeon has conducted herself all the way through and has never felt like it was a party political broadcast. Sadly she still wouldn't vote SNP or for independence but it shows how important these messages are. And it is 100% a political decision on behalf of the BBC to stop showing these. They have also said they will pick and choose what they will show from them. That is called censorship and is how a state broadcaster in other states that we would normally criticise would act. Pretty shameful for what is approx 45 minutes if air time at a time where they will just show reruns of Columbo or murder she wrote

[Beefster]

What are the important ones? It's an editorial decision by the BBC which is now fronted by a Tory DG. I've watched most of them since day one, and I can't recall independence or the SNP being mentioned once. You believe they are political simply because you feel the wind of change, and cant bear your precious union ending so are clutching at any straw you can reach. Suck it up, this is a massive own goal by the BBC.

I feel like you whinging in response to one of my posts should be viewed as a badge of honour on my part, even if large parts of the whinging is pish.

[Kato]

Disagree completely. My 78 year old mother who wouldn't vote for SNP or independence if her life depended on it has watched it every day for her info on what to do and what not to do. She has been very complimentary on how Nicola Sturgeon has conducted herself all the way through and has never felt like it was a party political broadcast. Sadly she still wouldn't vote SNP or for independence but it shows how important these messages are. And it is 100% a political decision on behalf of the BBC to stop showing these. They have also said they will pick and choose what they will show from them. That is called censorship and is how a state broadcaster in other states that we would normally criticise would act. Pretty shameful for what is approx 45 minutes if air time at a time where they will just show reruns of Columbo or murder she wroteBBC News Channel has the same features on rotation throughout the day, some of it being the most banal useless rubbish that can be imagined. You'd think any channel like that would snap up the chance to fill up air-time.

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[marinello59]

They’re streaming them online and important ones will be broadcast live. Anything important will also be widely reported, including on the major news channels.

They’ve not all been so but I’ve watched quite a few that have effectively been party political broadcasts. One about all the action taken by the Government for the economy stands out as being a corker. FWIW I thought the same about the UK Government’s briefings once they started running out of new things to tell us on a daily basis.

:agree:

We live in a Parliamentary democracy and that's where major announcements and scrutiny should occur. The SNP and Boris' Tories both want to bypass that for White House style briefings, we shouldn't be letting them get away with it no matter which party we support.

[JeMeSouviens]

They’re streaming them online and important ones will be broadcast live. Anything important will also be widely reported, including on the major news channels.

They’ve not all been so but I’ve watched quite a few that have effectively been party political broadcasts. One about all the action taken by the Government for the economy stands out as being a corker. FWIW I thought the same about the UK Government’s briefings once they started running out of new things to tell us on a daily basis.

I kind of agree with you. Although, it's pretty much impossible for politicians to front a response to a crisis that inevitably involves political choices and be completely apolitical. To an extent, they got voted into these positions, which gives them the right not just to govern but to speak as the government. Same for the *******s down south.

But that aside, it's a very strange decision from an organisation that knows it has a big trust problem with the Yes side of the house and was defending these broadcasts as relevant just a few weeks ago when much less was happening on the viral front.

[lapsedhibee]

:agree:

We live in a Parliamentary democracy and that's where major announcements and scrutiny should occur. The SNP and Boris' Tories both want to bypass that for White House style briefings, we shouldn't be letting them get away with it no matter which party we support.

White House style briefings.

[weecounty hibby]

:agree:

We live in a Parliamentary democracy and that's where major announcements and scrutiny should occur. The SNP and Boris' Tories both want to bypass that for White House style briefings, we shouldn't be letting them get away with it no matter which party we support.

So you believe that all of the changes made in a fast moving pandemic should be debated in parliament, either one, and then voted on? Not how it works in time of emergency. As much as I dislike Johnston and the Tories I have no problem with them making decisions in that way during this crisis

[JeMeSouviens]

:agree:

We live in a Parliamentary democracy and that's where major announcements and scrutiny should occur. The SNP and Boris' Tories both want to bypass that for White House style briefings, we shouldn't be letting them get away with it no matter which party we support.

Yes, that's a good point. Although arguably they'd be better inviting 50 random punters off the Canongate to ask questions than relying on the "scrutiny" from the opposition.

[Hiber-nation]

What are the important ones? It's an editorial decision by the BBC which is now fronted by a Tory DG. I've watched most of them since day one, and I can't recall independence or the SNP being mentioned once. You believe they are political simply because you feel the wind of change, and cant bear your precious union ending so are clutching at any straw you can reach. Suck it up, this is a massive own goal by the BBC.

I agree although I certainly won't miss the inane questions asked by some of the journos. They're asking her about Christmas now, it's mental.

[ronaldo7]

Deary me.....Labour leading the charge now to gag public health updates in the middle of a global pandemic:

https://twitter.com/GeorgeFoulkes/status/1304094222870556672

I think everyone should know that George, and Jackie Bailey have succeeded in stopping the daily briefings from which many older citizens get most of their information.

Go labour.

[Moulin Yarns]

I agree although I certainly won't miss the inane questions asked by some of the journos. They're asking her about Christmas now, it's mental.

I'm worried about Christmas too, this obese guy visiting everyone's house leaving packages spreading joy and covid.

[Kato]

I'm worried about Christmas too, this obese guy visiting everyone's house leaving packages spreading joy and covid.

Beards are the perfect habitat for the virus too.

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[lord bunberry]

I’ve found them quite informative, but some of the questions asked by the journalists have been tiresome and completely off topic. I can imagine that a lot of elderly people will find them quite comforting and they’ll be the ones that miss them the most.

[JimBHibees]

BBC News Channel has the same features on rotation throughout the day, some of it being the most banal useless rubbish that can be imagined. You'd think any channel like that would snap up the chance to fill up air-time.

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Yep absolutely nothing on that channel at this time. What is the harm in showing it especially older folk on what they should and should not be doing. I think the answering the press on a daily basis is actually what democracy is all about. Absolutely disgusting imo if people don't like it don't watch it. Foulkes and Baillie both absolutely freeloaders who offer nothing positive imo. No doubt an agreed move with their Tory mates. Shameful a national broadcaster has agreed to this.

[JimBHibees]

:agree:

We live in a Parliamentary democracy and that's where major announcements and scrutiny should occur. The SNP and Boris' Tories both want to bypass that for White House style briefings, we shouldn't be letting them get away with it no matter which party we support.

Honestly don't get the political criticism it is in the main informing people about Covid and the progress or not on it. Don't like it don't watch it. BBC bias as clear as day.

[Keith_M]

I'm worried about Christmas too, this obese guy visiting everyone's house leaving packages spreading joy and covid.


Plus he must be quite some age now, so definitely in the vulnerable category.

[marinello59]

So you believe that all of the changes made in a fast moving pandemic should be debated in parliament, either one, and then voted on? Not how it works in time of emergency. As much as I dislike Johnston and the Tories I have no problem with them making decisions in that way during this crisis

I didn't say anything like that:confused:
I question whether during a global pandemic the First Minister should be spending a large part of her day reading out the daily figures and telling us to wash our hands and wear a face mask. We know when there is going to be a significant announcement (like yesterday's) in advance. Those briefings will still be broadcast in full.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/contact/complaints

Feel free 😉

[weecounty hibby]

I didn't say anything like that:confused:
I question whether during a global pandemic the First Minister should be spending a large part of her day reading out the daily figures and telling us to wash our hands and wear a face mask. We know when there is going to be a significant announcement (like yesterday's) in advance. Those briefings will still be broadcast in full.

No, you said that in a parliamentary democracy then major announcements should be made in parliament. I know you will watch parliamentary goings on and in a time of crisis being bogged down by what will undoubtedly end up party political arguing doesn't help. Strong leadership and decision making at a time like this is more important than debating imo. What shouldn't be allowed is that other matters, for example, Brexit decisions should come into that category.

[ronaldo7]

:agree:

We live in a Parliamentary democracy and that's where major announcements and scrutiny should occur. The SNP and Boris' Tories both want to bypass that for White House style briefings, we shouldn't be letting them get away with it no matter which party we support.

All the major announcements that I've seen, have been made in parliament.

Which major announcements are you talking about?

[ronaldo7]

The ironic thing about this whole debacle is that the new BBC Scotland channel lies dormant for most of the day, or plays repeats of tosh.

The new DG will have got some extra brownie points for this.

#trustthebbc 😂

[lord bunberry]

The ironic thing about this whole debacle is that the new BBC Scotland channel lies dormant for most of the day, or plays repeats of tosh.

The new DG will have got some extra brownie points for this.

#trustthebbc 😂
The thing that gets me is, why are the BBC reacting to what the Labour Party are saying on this? If the BBC don’t think it’s appropriate to show it they should’ve made the decision themselves without some nonentity from a minority party lobbying them to do it.

[Moulin Yarns]

I see that there is a backlash from the deaf community who have relied on the briefing to get their information.

[marinello59]

I see that there is a backlash from the deaf community who have relied on the briefing to get their information.

Are they not going to be streaming them either then?

[degenerated]

The ironic thing about this whole debacle is that the new BBC Scotland channel lies dormant for most of the day, or plays repeats of tosh.

The new DG will have got some extra brownie points for this.

#trustthebbc [emoji23]

The DG that was deputy chairman of Hammersmith and Fulham Conservative party, former tory council candidate for Hammersmith The DG who told comedians they needed to tell less jokes about Tories, demanded that rule Britannia gets sung at proms and made his first day in the job a trip to pacific quay. [emoji848]

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[Moulin Yarns]

Are they not going to be streaming them either then?

I think NS said that they would be available through the Holyrood TV channel. Never knew such a thing existed or where to find it.

[Moulin Yarns]

The DG that was deputy chairman of Hammersmith and Fulham Conservative party, former tory council candidate for Hammersmith The DG who told comedians they needed to tell less jokes about Tories, demanded that rule Britannia gets sung at proms and made his first day in the job a trip to pacific quay. [emoji848]

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The trip to Pacific Quay so that he could be photographed outside. He never set foot inside.

[marinello59]

I think NS said that they would be available through the Holyrood TV channel. Never knew such a thing existed or where to find it.

A few seconds on Google, sorted. It will probably be my new favourite channel. :greengrin

[Moulin Yarns]

A few seconds on Google, sorted. It will probably be my new favourite channel. :greengrin

Yep, I did the same. 👍

[Moulin Yarns]

I still think that it only being available online, on a niche channel, is a bit divisive. Not everyone has access to the Internet or know how to use it.

[Moulin Yarns]

I still think that it only being available online, on a niche channel, is a bit divisive. Not everyone has access to the Internet or know how to use it.

"The BBC has stated that people can still see the briefings broadcast online. That might be very true, but it ignores the reality that over half a million older Scots do not have access to the internet"

https://t.co/1J5JDlVFr1

[Ozyhibby]

"The BBC has stated that people can still see the briefings broadcast online. That might be very true, but it ignores the reality that over half a million older Scots do not have access to the internet"

https://t.co/1J5JDlVFr1

Who cares, Covid hardly affects the elderly anyway.[emoji849]


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[jonty]

"The BBC has stated that people can still see the briefings broadcast online. That might be very true, but it ignores the reality that over half a million older Scots do not have access to the internet"

https://t.co/1J5JDlVFr1

And now have to pay a licence fee

[Glory Lurker]

"The BBC has stated that people can still see the briefings broadcast online. That might be very true, but it ignores the reality that over half a million older Scots do not have access to the internet"


Can't have the buttress demographic of the no vote getting the chance to assess her free of the jaundice of the Express, Mail, Scotsman, etc, can we?

[Sir David Gray]

The briefings are no longer required to be on five days a week for over an hour at a time. They've had their time when everyone was sitting at home, no-one knew exactly what kind of virus we were facing and dozens of people were dying every day.

At this stage in the pandemic, there should be one briefing per week (televised by the BBC) to summarise the past 7 days and a chance for the journalists to ask questions about things that have happened over the last week. If anything of note needs to be announced then broadcast that as well in an extra briefing.

The briefings have turned more political in the past couple of months, despite Sturgeon's assertions to the contrary earlier today, and because they're running out of questions to ask, the journalists have started to ask ridiculous questions as they look for sensationalist headlines (like something along the lines of "is Christmas now cancelled?" which I heard the other day).

The one important thing that's read out every day is the statistics on cases and deaths and they can be announced on the news headlines. Everything else can be condensed into a single weekly briefing.

[stoneyburn hibs]

A public service broadcaster denying a public service broadcast.

[weecounty hibby]

A public service broadcaster denying a public service broadcast.

Or a state broadcaster doing as it's told by its controllers? I honestly didn't buy into the bias of the BBC until now. I was perfectly willing to give them the benefit of the doubt but no more. To give up 45 mins a day where they would only be showing homes under the hammer or ****ing bargain hunt to get the direct messaging straight from those making decisions isn't too much to ask of them surely

[Glory Lurker]

The briefings are no longer required to be on five days a week for over an hour at a time. They've had their time when everyone was sitting at home, no-one knew exactly what kind of virus we were facing and dozens of people were dying every day.

At this stage in the pandemic, there should be one briefing per week (televised by the BBC) to summarise the past 7 days and a chance for the journalists to ask questions about things that have happened over the last week. If anything of note needs to be announced then broadcast that as well in an extra briefing.

The briefings have turned more political in the past couple of months, despite Sturgeon's assertions to the contrary earlier today, and because they're running out of questions to ask, the journalists have started to ask ridiculous questions as they look for sensationalist headlines (like something along the lines of "is Christmas now cancelled?" which I heard the other day).

The one important thing that's read out every day is the statistics on cases and deaths and they can be announced on the news headlines. Everything else can be condensed into a single weekly briefing.

I broadly agree with this, despite what I said above, but also a bit torn.

What politicisation there has been has its root in journalist questions. They are entirely entitled to ask whatever they want but it’s understandable that questions about policy are going to draw political answers. Strip out the to-fro of press questions and you are left with announcements of stats. We don’t need the FM to announce these live on telly. So, we don’t need the telly broadcasts...

But, where do we get scrutiny of the effectiveness of the measures, or the necessity of the measures? Not in the chamber at Holyrood. Anything near landing a blow from the opposition will just be smothered in a response about ermine or pathetic poll ratings. This is of course exactly the treatment the shameless charlatans that squirm along the opposition seats deserve :greengrin but it’s not what the public deserve given the enormity of the issue.

As with a lot of things, I don’t know what the best approach is.

[Kato]

Or a state broadcaster doing as it's told by its controllers? I honestly didn't buy into the bias of the BBC until now.


What? Even when the dressed Corbyn up in a Russian hat? Or showed footage of Boris at the cenotaph from the previous year because he had made a shop front of himself at the actual ceremony?

[heretoday]

If the beeb are worried about politicisation they could just have a medical spokesperson giving us updates and advice. No need for Nicola to be there.

As a publicly funded broadcaster I'd say they owe it to us to relay daily info on TV or at least the radio. Everyone's got a radio.

[stoneyburn hibs]

Or a state broadcaster doing as it's told by its controllers? I honestly didn't buy into the bias of the BBC until now. I was perfectly willing to give them the benefit of the doubt but no more. To give up 45 mins a day where they would only be showing homes under the hammer or ****ing bargain hunt to get the direct messaging straight from those making decisions isn't too much to ask of them surely

I still don't want to believe that they're bias, struggling with that now though.
They've been told and are complying.

[Rocky]

I broadly agree with this, despite what I said above, but also a bit torn.

What politicisation there has been has its root in journalist questions. They are entirely entitled to ask whatever they want but it’s understandable that questions about policy are going to draw political answers. Strip out the to-fro of press questions and you are left with announcements of stats. We don’t need the FM to announce these live on telly. So, we don’t need the telly broadcasts...

But, where do we get scrutiny of the effectiveness of the measures, or the necessity of the measures? Not in the chamber at Holyrood. Anything near landing a blow from the opposition will just be smothered in a response about ermine or pathetic poll ratings. This is of course exactly the treatment the shameless charlatans that squirm along the opposition seats deserve :greengrin but it’s not what the public deserve given the enormity of the issue.

As with a lot of things, I don’t know what the best approach is.

I think once or twice a week is probably enough too. The point is though that that should be something we raise with our elected representatives, not something to be unilaterally decided upon by a national broadcaster. If a national government deems a daily briefing to be valuable in a pandemic who on earth are the national broadcaster to decide otherwise?

[Glory Lurker]

I think once or twice a week is probably enough too. The point is though that that should be something we raise with our elected representatives, not something to be unilaterally decided upon by a national broadcaster. If a national government deems a daily briefing to be valuable in a pandemic who on earth are the national broadcaster to decide otherwise?

That is probably what I was trying to say. Thanks!

[weecounty hibby]

What? Even when the dressed Corbyn up in a Russian hat? Or showed footage of Boris at the cenotaph from the previous year because he had made a shop front of himself at the actual ceremony?
Yeah, I actually meant in Scotland more than the wider UK. But when you out it like that and add in Kuensberg Neil etc then it is pretty clear.

[JimBHibees]

The briefings are no longer required to be on five days a week for over an hour at a time. They've had their time when everyone was sitting at home, no-one knew exactly what kind of virus we were facing and dozens of people were dying every day.

At this stage in the pandemic, there should be one briefing per week (televised by the BBC) to summarise the past 7 days and a chance for the journalists to ask questions about things that have happened over the last week. If anything of note needs to be announced then broadcast that as well in an extra briefing.

The briefings have turned more political in the past couple of months, despite Sturgeon's assertions to the contrary earlier today, and because they're running out of questions to ask, the journalists have started to ask ridiculous questions as they look for sensationalist headlines (like something along the lines of "is Christmas now cancelled?" which I heard the other day).

The one important thing that's read out every day is the statistics on cases and deaths and they can be announced on the news headlines. Everything else can be condensed into a single weekly briefing.

Says who. Your own opinion. Don't think they have been particularly political, only people saying that are people who find fault in everything Sturgeon says.

Watched BBC Scotland news and the ultimate in spin and not one time did they say why it was being taken off. There is imo no doubt this is clearly much more of a political decision than anything Sturgeon has come out with. Actually pretty putrid decision and smacks of a corrupt establishment petrified of any increase in independence of thought.

[Just Alf]

So just to confirm I have this correct, the Scottish National broadcaster has cancelled daily briefings from the Scottish government (who obviously felt are important enough to spend time on) because they're deemed political on the orders of a new Tory Director General put into the job by Boris Johnson ?

For what it's worth I've felt the scrutiny / questioning NS and the rest get at these briefings is much more widely seen by the actual voters than any televised proceedings in parliament.



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[Sir David Gray]

Says who. Your own opinion. Don't think they have been particularly political, only people saying that are people who find fault in everything Sturgeon says.

Watched BBC Scotland news and the ultimate in spin and not one time did they say why it was being taken off. There is imo no doubt this is clearly much more of a political decision than anything Sturgeon has come out with. Actually pretty putrid decision and smacks of a corrupt establishment petrified of any increase in independence of thought.

Well yes of course it's my opinion that's the whole point of this forum. There have been countless digs and political posturing made during the briefings by Sturgeon and her fellow ministers whenever they are invited on.

I don't actually blame them for that, they have had a free rein to talk to the nation for 5 days a week (initially 6) for the last 6 months and for the last 2 or 3 months there's been less and less to talk about with regards to Covid-19 and so I fully expect them as politicians with an election less than a year away, to use the national exposure to their advantage.

I'm not the only one who's picked up on it and not everyone who is commenting on it has a huge bias against the SNP.

[Rocky]

Well yes of course it's my opinion that's the whole point of this forum. There have been countless digs and political posturing made during the briefings by Sturgeon and her fellow ministers whenever they are invited on.

I don't actually blame them for that, they have had a free rein to talk to the nation for 5 days a week (initially 6) for the last 6 months and for the last 2 or 3 months there's been less and less to talk about with regards to Covid-19 and so I fully expect them as politicians with an election less than a year away, to use the national exposure to their advantage.

I'm not the only one who's picked up on it and not everyone who is commenting on it has a huge bias against the SNP.

And you believe it's the national broadcaster's right to override the wishes of the elected government?

[Just Alf]

And you believe it's the national broadcaster's right to override the wishes of the elected government?And just to add..... ....." on the orders of someone put in place by the UK government ?" .......




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[Sir David Gray]

And you believe it's the national broadcaster's right to override the wishes of the elected government?

What are they overriding exactly?

They aren't removing the briefings altogether, they will still be shown live on the BBC's online platform (around 40% of people aged 75+ in Scotland use the internet) and for those who don't, the highlights will be shown on the news (if the timings of the news headlines on BBC 1 aren't suitable then the BBC has a 24 hrs news channel which will no doubt summarise the key points on a continuous loop throughout the day which is a channel that's available on Freeview so you don't even need to subscribe to Sky or Virgin in order to get it.)

Then for the really important updates when there's actually something worthwhile to tell us, the BBC say they will continue to broadcast them on TV.

From what they've said it doesn't sound as if they'll be necessarily broadcasting them on TV once a week and I personally think that would be best but that's assuming Sturgeon agrees to cut them down to one day a week.

I really don't see what the big deal is, we are not at the stage where we need over an hour from the First Minister five days per week. Who knows, we may well end up back at that point over the coming months and if so then by all means increase them again but at the moment we do not need a 10 minute statement read out live on TV almost every day followed by a 45 minutes Q&A with journalists who are increasingly asking her a lot of nonsense because they are running out of meaningful questions.

[Rocky]

So I think your answer to my question is yes, you believe the national broadcaster should be allowed to unilaterally override the national government's wish to conduct a live televised briefing to the nation during a pandemic? I appreciate you've put a lot of other words in your post but my question wasn't about the merits of the briefing, which I broadly agree doesn't need to be daily. It was about the national broadcaster's responsibilities. I didn't elect them, nor did you. If the elected government believes that public health messaging is important during a pandemic that's their right. If we disagree our route is through our elected representatives or the ballot box (or the law if they're breaking that). Not through a state broadcaster, that's banana republic stuff.

[Mr Grieves]

Professor of Public Health at Edinburgh uni explaining why the BBC continuing to show the briefings is important.

https://twitter.com/LindaBauld/status/1304441972615188481?s=20

"Mass media is a powerful tool to promote public health. Not just campaigns (see our
@NIHRresearch funded series of systematic reviews on this) but also for policy makers & professionals to explain why measures, interventions or services are needed.

Evidence from well conducted studies shows that sustained communication of public health messages, (including repetition of messages over an extended period) is far more effective than shorter, time limited communication.

Research also illustrates that this communication is needed across multiple platforms, as different parts of the population have access to and use different forms of media.

Television and radio in particular remain important for groups that are not using streaming services, social media or websites. That includes older people, who are at particular risk of #Covid19

@Scotgov kept providing these briefings, meanwhile they were paused at UK level (except for occasionally). The continuation of the briefings has, in my view, possibly contributed to higher levels of trust in govnt handling of the crisis in Scotland.

They also allow @NicolaSturgeon & her colleagues to EXPLAIN the rationale for decisions and the data that informs decisions, and answer questions. The public need to understand WHY something is happening not just be told to do things. Televised briefings help with this.

The BBC says ‘when any major developments or updates are anticipated’ but advanced notice of this may not always be possible. International experience in this pandemic shows things change very rapidly.

BBC TV as a public service broadcaster. If changes occur, I hope these are modest. Changes should not reduce access to updates, explanations & transparency (particularly for priority groups) as we continue to try to address #Covid19 in Scotland"

[lapsedhibee]

What are they overriding exactly?

They aren't removing the briefings altogether, they will still be shown live on the BBC's online platform (around 40% of people aged 75+ in Scotland use the internet) and for those who don't, the highlights will be shown on the news (if the timings of the news headlines on BBC 1 aren't suitable then the BBC has a 24 hrs news channel which will no doubt summarise the key points on a continuous loop throughout the day which is a channel that's available on Freeview so you don't even need to subscribe to Sky or Virgin in order to get it.)

Then for the really important updates when there's actually something worthwhile to tell us, the BBC say they will continue to broadcast them on TV.


You write as if you've never watched a game, then watched the highlights later on - edited and discussed purely by people who've got an axe to grind/like their lamb succulent/etc - and thought wtf? And Laura Kuenssberg and Sarah Smith definitely have axes to grind, no question. Politics by 'highlights on the news' is what has given us inane three-word slogans, lectern-thumping jokers, and gotcha-moment 'journalism'.

Is the fact that 40% of an age group will have access to something supposed to be an argument in its favour?

Agree that the briefings could be fewer but this is a terrible development.

[ronaldo7]

If we look back on the corona virus thread, we'd already discussed the need for the FM to reduce the number of briefings, and for them not to be done daily.

Most folk agreed, and she'd planned to do that, only for clusters to pop up in areas of Scotland which she felt people needed to know about. The virus has sparked up again, so the daily briefings came back to daily ones.

I've noticed some disability/ care/ deaf groups have all come out against the BBC's decision to stop the briefings on the current platform.

Scotland currently has the highest non payment of the license fee in the UK. That's now going to escalate imo, and they deserve all they get.

[Sir David Gray]

You write as if you've never watched a game, then watched the highlights later on - edited and discussed purely by people who've got an axe to grind/like their lamb succulent/etc - and thought wtf? And Laura Kuenssberg and Sarah Smith definitely have axes to grind, no question. Politics by 'highlights on the news' is what has given us inane three-word slogans, lectern-thumping jokers, and gotcha-moment 'journalism'.

Is the fact that 40% of an age group will have access to something supposed to be an argument in its favour?

Agree that the briefings could be fewer but this is a terrible development.

Maybe the BBC could compromise and agree to air a special episode on BBC 1 and the BBC Scotland channel every week which highlights the week's developments along with broadcasting live one briefing per week on TV. The issue may be that the BBC's interpretation of an important broadcast would be the reviews every three weeks. I think it would be a mistake to make them as infrequently as that and once a week is a much better balance.

You have said yourself that you agree the briefings could be cut down and if that's the case then why is it so important that every minute of every briefing is broadcast live on TV if they have lost a lot of their relevance in terms of still being on five days per week?

The 40% figure is supposed to be an argument in its favour, yes. There were people who were giving the impression that the briefings should stay on TV because hardly any older people have access to the internet. That's not the case and whilst it's not a majority, 40% is a sizeable number.

I'd love to know the viewing figures for them now compared with March and April. Sturgeon herself has been hinting for weeks now that she's aware that the numbers are dwindling and whilst I don't think they should be cut from TV altogether, I personally don't see the problem in them being reduced on TV and replaced with an online offering.

[Beefster]

And you believe it's the national broadcaster's right to override the wishes of the elected government?

Absolutely. Unless it’s the national broadcaster of North Korea or some other authoritarian state.

You don’t honest believe that any/every media company should just bow at the feet of the SG and do whatever they want, do you?

[Ozyhibby]

Absolutely. Unless it’s the national broadcaster of North Korea or some other authoritarian state.

You don’t honest believe that any/every media company should just bow at the feet of the SG and do whatever they want, do you?

That’s what they are doing with the UK govt.


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[lapsedhibee]

You have said yourself that you agree the briefings could be cut down and if that's the case then why is it so important that every minute of every briefing is broadcast live on TV if they have lost a lot of their relevance in terms of still being on five days per week?

The 40% figure is supposed to be an argument in its favour, yes. There were people who were giving the impression that the briefings should stay on TV because hardly any older people have access to the internet. That's not the case and whilst it's not a majority, 40% is a sizeable number.



You're conflating two meanings of 'cut down'. The number of briefings being reduced, on the one hand, and them being edited, on the other. I don't mind a smaller number of briefings, but I strongly object to them being edited before I see them. Kuenssberg is the BBC's Political Editor. I would no more want my knowledge of ScotGov's coronavirus thinking determined by her than I would want the story of the 2016 Cup Final and aftermath edited and narrated by Traynor and Young.

60 is a significantly bigger number than 40. Even if it was 52% of over 75s who had access, that still wouldn't be a good argument for arbitrarily denying the other 48%.

[Beefster]

That’s what they are doing with the UK govt.


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Not really though. It’s pointless getting into a real debate with a response like that but the main story on the BBC is about how UK Government’s testing system is failing. Hardly bowing at their feet.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54121367

[Sir David Gray]

You're conflating two meanings of 'cut down'. The number of briefings being reduced, on the one hand, and them being edited, on the other. I don't mind a smaller number of briefings, but I strongly object to them being edited before I see them. Kuenssberg is the BBC's Political Editor. I would no more want my knowledge of ScotGov's coronavirus thinking determined by her than I would want the story of the 2016 Cup Final and aftermath edited and narrated by Traynor and Young.

60 is a significantly bigger number than 40. Even if it was 52% of over 75s who had access, that still wouldn't be a good argument for arbitrarily denying the other 48%.

I'm talking about one briefing being shown per week on TV, unedited and delivered straight into people's living rooms by Nicola Sturgeon. I'm not sure what the BBC's plan is but hopefully it's not once every 3 weeks at the review dates, I've already said that would be a mistake.

One briefing per week on TV plus a highlights reel from everything else from that week would suffice in my opinion and it would give everyone all that they really need to know at this stage in the pandemic.

The figures she reads out every day would be broadcast on the news and the FACTS campaign she always ends with are publicised on adverts on TV by Jason Leitch. That aside we really don't require to listen to journalists asking pointless questions that they know Sturgeon can't or won't answer five days a week.

[lord bunberry]

How long is it going to take before Jackie Baillie appears in the media claiming she’s received sickening abuse on Twitter from cybernats?

[Callum_62]

To be fair Its been replaced by Bargain Hunt so good decision all round

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[G B Young]

To be fair Its been replaced by Bargain Hunt so good decision all round

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Yep, throw in an episode of the Repair Shop and they'd see viewing figures for that time slot rocket.

[lord bunberry]

To be fair Its been replaced by Bargain Hunt so good decision all round

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Bargain hunt has never been the same since Tim Wannacot left.

[Moulin Yarns]

Yep, throw in an episode of the Repair Shop and they'd see viewing figures for that time slot rocket.

I believe that the briefing on the BBC Scotland channel has the highest viewing figures for the channel. Not like the BBC to cancel something with a high audience numbers. It's almost like this is a political decision. 😉

[Callum_62]

Yep, throw in an episode of the Repair Shop and they'd see viewing figures for that time slot rocket."Yesterday, the corporation revealed that the average viewing figures have been 280,000 on BBC One Scotland and 40,000 on BBC Scotland – big numbers for a Scottish broadcast."

Wonder what repair shop pulls in.... [emoji102][emoji57]

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[degenerated]

Maybe the BBC could compromise and agree to air a special episode on BBC 1 and the BBC Scotland channel every week which highlights the week's developments along with broadcasting live one briefing per week on TV. The issue may be that the BBC's interpretation of an important broadcast would be the reviews every three weeks. I think it would be a mistake to make them as infrequently as that and once a week is a much better balance.

You have said yourself that you agree the briefings could be cut down and if that's the case then why is it so important that every minute of every briefing is broadcast live on TV if they have lost a lot of their relevance in terms of still being on five days per week?

The 40% figure is supposed to be an argument in its favour, yes. There were people who were giving the impression that the briefings should stay on TV because hardly any older people have access to the internet. That's not the case and whilst it's not a majority, 40% is a sizeable number.

I'd love to know the viewing figures for them now compared with March and April. Sturgeon herself has been hinting for weeks now that she's aware that the numbers are dwindling and whilst I don't think they should be cut from TV altogether, I personally don't see the problem in them being reduced on TV and replaced with an online offering.Maybe they could continue to show it on the bbc scotland channel where they arent showing else other than a continuing loop of excerpts from that rank football chat show and other *****e programmes no one watches.

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[Curried]

I note that on Monday at 12.15, instead of getting an update on the rapidly worsening Covid situation in Scotland, the BBC in it’s editorial wisdom has decided to give lunchtime viewers of BBC1 a “Battle of Britain Special”. Excellent move….chocks away!

[Ozyhibby]

I note that on Monday at 12.15, instead of getting an update on the rapidly worsening Covid situation in Scotland, the BBC in it’s editorial wisdom has decided to give lunchtime viewers of BBC1 a “Battle of Britain Special”. Excellent move….chocks away!

Get used to Union jacks wherever you look on the bbc in the future. They are fighting for survival and have to keep Johnson happy.


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[Sir David Gray]

I note that on Monday at 12.15, instead of getting an update on the rapidly worsening Covid situation in Scotland, the BBC in it’s editorial wisdom has decided to give lunchtime viewers of BBC1 a “Battle of Britain Special”. Excellent move….chocks away!

I'm fairly certain the BBC are showing the briefings as normal tomorrow, at least that was the case on Friday.

The BBC has confirmed there will be full live TV coverage on Monday 14 September, to cover the introduction of new lockdown restrictions in Scotland.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-54115645

[Curried]

I'm fairly certain the BBC are showing the briefings as normal tomorrow, at least that was the case on Friday.

The BBC has confirmed there will be full live TV coverage on Monday 14 September, to cover the introduction of new lockdown restrictions in Scotland.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-54115645


Not according to their TV Schedule.. for BBC 1, but I do note that they have Politics Scotland up on the BBC Scotland Channel, so maybe they will show it!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/guide/bbcone/20200914

[hibsbollah]

Get used to Union jacks wherever you look on the bbc in the future. They are fighting for survival and have to keep Johnson happy.


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There is a lot of speculation that there is a superinjunction out to stop reports surfacing on a Boris Johnson affair with a Russian violinist. I’m not even sure a message board like this one could publish the name of the individual involved without getting into a legal mess. The new BBC hierarchy telling their staff to run in the opposite direction of the story, might not stop the foreign press running with it.

[Berwickhibby]

Get used to Union jacks wherever you look on the bbc in the future. They are fighting for survival and have to keep Johnson happy.


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Being pedantic....but I think you mean the Union Flag 🇬🇧 :greengrin a Union Jack is the pole it is flown from on a ship :greengrin just saying like

[speedy_gonzales]

There is a lot of speculation that there is a superinjunction out to stop reports surfacing on a Boris Johnson affair with a Russian violinist. I’m not even sure a message board like this one could publish the name of the individual involved without getting into a legal mess. The new BBC hierarchy telling their staff to run in the opposite direction of the story, might not stop the foreign press running with it.
Is this not relating to what happened a year ago, when Carrie found out about the affair and battered seven shades of beige out of him?

[marinello59]

There is a lot of speculation that there is a superinjunction out to stop reports surfacing on a Boris Johnson affair with a Russian violinist. I’m not even sure a message board like this one could publish the name of the individual involved without getting into a legal mess. The new BBC hierarchy telling their staff to run in the opposite direction of the story, might not stop the foreign press running with it.

If they are complying with a super injunction will that make them any more biased than every other media outlet in the country?

[hibsbollah]

If they are complying with a super injunction will that make them any more biased than every other media outlet in the country?

In that respect the superinjunction doesn’t prove or disprove the case against the BBCs being superbiased . It just means that the new management is even more likely to toe the establishment line at the moment, as seen by the latest LOHAG at the Proms bit of manufactured farce.

[hibsbollah]

Is this not relating to what happened a year ago, when Carrie found out about the affair and battered seven shades of beige out of him?

I’ve heard BBC staff received memos about this in the last few days, so there’s definitely a new element to it.

[Beefster]

Not according to their TV Schedule.. for BBC 1, but I do note that they have Politics Scotland up on the BBC Scotland Channel, so maybe they will show it!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/guide/bbcone/20200914

It’s on BBC1 Scotland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/schedules/p00fzl6v/2020/09/14

[Sir David Gray]

Not according to their TV Schedule.. for BBC 1, but I do note that they have Politics Scotland up on the BBC Scotland Channel, so maybe they will show it!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/guide/bbcone/20200914

My Sky planner has the briefing scheduled from 12:15pm tomorrow on both BBC 1 Scotland and the BBC Scotland channel.

[marinello59]

It’s on BBC1 Scotland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/schedules/p00fzl6v/2020/09/14

So we aren’t getting the Battle of Britain special in Scotland? Gutted. Clear bias right there. A lot of older people love all that war time stuff as well.

[lapsedhibee]

Two shocking performances from Tories on the Marr programme this morning. One was Robert 'I would resign if we broke the law in a way that I found unacceptable' Buckland. Wtaf? And the other was Marr himself, putting the Cummings line on EU 'bad faith' to Coveney as if it was a legitimate point of view rather than utter nonsense.

[Kato]

Two shocking performances from Tories on the Marr programme this morning. One was Robert 'I would resign if we broke the law in a way that I found unacceptable' Buckland. Wtaf? And the other was Marr himself, putting the Cummings line on EU 'bad faith' to Coveney as if it was a legitimate point of view rather than utter nonsense.

Marr, and anyone else in the BBC News section, is only following the editorial line of questioning as laid down to them by their producers.

Whether that makes them pathetic, spineless, courtier-like puppets rather than journalists depends on your point of view.

[Moulin Yarns]

Scotsman found to be driving recklessly in Europe


Man from Oban with Saltire on his helmet wins Italian Grand Prix! #GoJohnMcphee https://t.co/bBOmvfGPqz

[JimBHibees]

Maybe they could continue to show it on the bbc scotland channel where they arent showing else other than a continuing loop of excerpts from that rank football chat show and other *****e programmes no one watches.

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That would make sense but obviously Lord pishy breeks doesn't agree :greengrin

[JimBHibees]

Two shocking performances from Tories on the Marr programme this morning. One was Robert 'I would resign if we broke the law in a way that I found unacceptable' Buckland. Wtaf? And the other was Marr himself, putting the Cummings line on EU 'bad faith' to Coveney as if it was a legitimate point of view rather than utter nonsense.

Marr is shocking. Only sensible critique was from Coveney imo

[Radium]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200914/6a9b6f79fe91d9b6556bd6eff5a163ac.png

Classical political journalism quoting an anonymous source. Shame he doesn’t know how to quote the people he is talking about in his tweet.

Acknowledging the different views around the briefings but today’s information on tests was not new, it was a confirmation of an ongoing and gave a clarity that the issue was impacting in tests.

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[lord bunberry]

I see the bbc have reversed the decision to stop showing the daily briefings.

[Curried]

I see the bbc have reversed the decision to stop showing the daily briefings.

Some superb comments on this tweet from the Labour Peer (Lord Foulkes) who led the calls to gag the briefings:

https://twitter.com/GeorgeFoulkes/status/1306648477422813184

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiLlMeUXgAAvTsQ?format=jpg&name=small

[Rocky]

I don't really understand why people see them as propaganda, surely the actual briefing itself is just relaying information? I appreciate that it can stray towards "politics" in the responses to media questions but why would opposition parties be worried about a poorly performing government being held to account by the media? Or is it because they think the government isn't performing poorly and they don't want people to see that?

Have to say I'd rather have a country's leader exposed to questioning every day than hiding in a fridge but each to their own I guess.

[marinello59]

Some superb comments on this tweet from the Labour Peer (Lord Foulkes) who led the calls to gag the briefings:

https://twitter.com/GeorgeFoulkes/status/1306648477422813184

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiLlMeUXgAAvTsQ?format=jpg&name=small

It is amusing watching both sides claim that the BBC is biased against them. When all of the major parties supporters see their champions as being the victims of bias it sort of suggests that they are doing a not to bad job of maintaining an independent stance.

[Hibs Class]

It is amusing watching both sides claim that the BBC is biased against them. When all of the major parties supporters see their champions as being the victims of bias it sort of suggests that they are doing a not to bad job of maintaining an independent stance.

Agree completely....I think that is the essence of this entire thread.

[lapsedhibee]

It is amusing watching both sides claim that the BBC is biased against them. When all of the major parties supporters see their champions as being the victims of bias it sort of suggests that they are doing a not to bad job of maintaining an independent stance.

BBC's Westminster coverage has definitely improved since Kuenssberg's been removed from her position of being stuck very far up Johnson's backside.

[degenerated]

Well if it was bad before its only going to get worse with Charles Moore likely to be the next chairman, and if you wish to complain about any of their output you will be pleased to know that Boris has offered the top job at OFCOM to Paul Dacre.

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[neil7908]

Well if it was bad before its only going to get worse with Charles Moore likely to be the next chairman, and if you wish to complain about any of their output you will be pleased to know that Boris has offered the top job at OFCOM to Paul Dacre.

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And its probably no coincidence we have a Fox News style TV channel on our way to the UK. We're rapidly embracing the very worst parts of American politics and society.

[lapsedhibee]

We can look back on today's BBC as a golden age of moral and political enlightenment if Johnson's wish comes true:

Moore has also written that Muslim immigration brings “more political disturbance, more communal tension, more intolerance of other faiths (and of non-faiths) and more terrorism”, compared legalising gay marriage with allowing one “to marry one’s dog”, and supported gay conversion therapy.

[heretoday]

Poor old BBC!

They get it one way from people accusing them of being Tory lapdogs (Laura Kuenssberg blah blah) and from the other side who are convinced they're a left-wing conspiracy!

Angry fascist Paul Dacre is likely to be hired soon to trim their sails. Or Charles Moore - or both.

They just can't do anything right, can they?

[lapsedhibee]

Poor old BBC!

They get it one way from people accusing them of being Tory lapdogs (Laura Kuenssberg blah blah) and from the other side who are convinced they're a left-wing conspiracy!

Angry fascist Paul Dacre is likely to be hired soon to trim their sails. Or Charles Moore - or both.

They just can't do anything right, can they?

Moore rules himself out for 'family health' reasons. That'll be the actual reason, for sure, not the failure to meet his demand for £280,000/year. (Current chairman gets £100k.)

[Glory Lurker]

BBC Scotland news website has "trick or treating" in headline, then article gives a definition of guising.... So many of their other editorial decisions over the years could have broken me, but this has done it.

[Hiber-nation]

Dan Walker on BBC Breakfast - "I want to talk about these Mega-labs, 1 in Scotland, 1 in Leamington Spa.

:rolleyes:

[Since90+2]

Dan Walker on BBC Breakfast - "I want to talk about these Mega-labs, 1 in Scotland, 1 in Leamington Spa.

:rolleyes:

The site designated for Scotland hasn't been confirmed as yet.

[Hibrandenburg]

Dan Walker on BBC Breakfast - "I want to talk about these Mega-labs, 1 in Scotland, 1 in Leamington Spa.

:rolleyes:

Sky News reporting exactly the same.

[Keith_M]

Dan Walker on BBC Breakfast - "I want to talk about these Mega-labs, 1 in Scotland, 1 in Leamington Spa.

:rolleyes:


I'm not sure I get your point (maybe it's just too early for me ;-))

[Since90+2]

I'm not sure I get your point (maybe it's just too early for me ;-))

I'm guessing it's because they are just saying Scotland rather than the actual area it will be in as they done with Lemington Spa rather than just saying England.

As above though the sites location in Scotland hasn't been confirmed as yet hence why they would have just said Scotland.

[Keith_M]

I'm guessing it's because they are just saying Scotland rather than the actual area it will be in as they done with Lemington Spa rather than just saying England.

As above though the sites location in Scotland hasn't been confirmed as yet hence why they would have just said Scotland.


Cheers

:aok:

[Hiber-nation]

The site designated for Scotland hasn't been confirmed as yet.

Ah OK, I didn't know that, had to turn off in disgust! It is fairly typical of them though.

[Hiber-nation]

I'm not sure I get your point (maybe it's just too early for me ;-))

As pointed out I was wrong this time as the Scottish location wasn't confirmed but it reminded me of the time when a BBC presenter introduced 2 reporters located in London and Edinburgh respectively as 1 in "Shepherd's Bush" and 1 in "Scotland".

[Keith_M]

As pointed out I was wrong this time as the Scottish location wasn't confirmed but it reminded me of the time when a BBC presenter introduced 2 reporters located in London and Edinburgh respectively as 1 in "Shepherd's Bush" and 1 in "Scotland".


Got it, thanks.


Wasn't making a dig or anything, I just wasn't following (too early for me)

[Hiber-nation]

Got it, thanks.


Wasn't making a dig or anything, I just wasn't following (too early for me)

:aok:

Turns out it was too early for me as I wasn't paying attention :greengrin

[Ozyhibby]

Andrew Marr showing how biased things have got. Was tough and aggressive on Sturgeon, as he should be, but gave Dominic Raab a free run to promote Brexit on his own terms. Allowed him to repeat ‘Australian style’ about five time unchallenged.


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[Since90+2]

Andrew Marr showing how biased things have got. Was tough and aggressive on Sturgeon, as he should be, but gave Dominic Raab a free run to promote Brexit on his own terms. Allowed him to repeat ‘Australian style’ about five time unchallenged.


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Yip. Disgraceful how openly aggressive he was to Sturgeon compared to his cosy wee chat with Raab.

[Ozyhibby]

Yip. Disgraceful how openly aggressive he was to Sturgeon compared to his cosy wee chat with Raab.

I’m ok with him going after Sturgeon, we need tough questioning of our leaders. It’s the lack of consistency that annoys me.


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[Since90+2]

I’m ok with him going after Sturgeon, we need tough questioning of our leaders. It’s the lack of consistency that annoys me.


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Agreed. No issue with Sturgeon being brought to task aslong as it's consistent across the board to all politicians. That show this morning was about as blatant an example of open bias as you will see.

[Future17]

Not really relevant to the thread title, but I just read that, in the course of Andrew Neil interviewing Ben Shapiro, Shapiro accused him of being "of the left". :greengrin

[cabbageandribs1875]

Some superb comments on this tweet from the Labour Peer (Lord Foulkes) who led the calls to gag the briefings:

https://twitter.com/GeorgeFoulkes/status/1306648477422813184

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EiLlMeUXgAAvTsQ?format=jpg&name=small



£300/day to feed that fat drunken f*** of a mess

[Future17]

Seeing the prominence of the Sturgeon story on the BBC website this morning reminded me that one of the papers carried a story yesterday about William and Kate breaking the "rule of six" down south.

Having checked this morning, it was carried by a large number of media outlets, but the only reference I can find to it on the BBC website is their coverage of the newspaper in question.

[JimBHibees]

Seeing the prominence of the Sturgeon story on the BBC website this morning reminded me that one of the papers carried a story yesterday about William and Kate breaking the "rule of six" down south.

Having checked this morning, it was carried by a large number of media outlets, but the only reference I can find to it on the BBC website is their coverage of the newspaper in question.

Also the heir apparent travelling up to Scotland with his entourage with covid no doubt that was discussed at length.

[Hiber-nation]

The BBC couldn't wait to jump on the Sturgeon story. Their reporter James Cook looked acutely embarrassed as he blurted out the words.

If Johnson did similar it would probably go without comment as that's just what he does.

[ronaldo7]

The next BBC Chairman.

Richard Sharp, a former investment banker who was Rishi Sunak’s boss at Goldman Sachs, is to become the next chairman of the BBC.

He's a Tory Donor, who's funded the party to the tune of at least £400,000

Nothing to see here, move along.

[hibsbollah]

The next BBC Chairman.

Richard Sharp, a former investment banker who was Rishi Sunak’s boss at Goldman Sachs, is to become the next chairman of the BBC.

He's a Tory Donor, who's funded the party to the tune of at least £400,000

Nothing to see here, move along.


Depressing news. It’s hard to process how much the BBC has changed.

[Ozyhibby]

Depressing news. It’s hard to process how much the BBC has changed.

Wait til GB news starts. It will make the BBC look like the Morning Star.


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[JimBHibees]

The next BBC Chairman.

Richard Sharp, a former investment banker who was Rishi Sunak’s boss at Goldman Sachs, is to become the next chairman of the BBC.

He's a Tory Donor, who's funded the party to the tune of at least £400,000

Nothing to see here, move along.

On what planet is that an appropriate choice. Thought they prided themselves on their impartiality and even handedness

[Keith_M]

Will the UK now be replacing it's flag with The Stars and Stripes?

[ronaldo7]

Wait til GB news starts. It will make the BBC look like the Morning Star.


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When you see who's running the ship, and who he's funded by, you just know that Fox news will be superseded as the place to go for the gammon loving leavers

[marinello59]

On what planet is that an appropriate choice. Thought they prided themselves on their impartiality and even handedness

To be fair, (I know, call me old fashioned :greengrin), the BBC didn't make the appointment the Government did. As far as the Tories are concerned the Beeb is not only less than even handed with them, they are actively trying to undermine them. Funnily enough Labour supporters and SNP supporters believe they are doing the same to their party of choice. It makes you wonder how the BBC could possibly claim to be impartial when they are biased against everyone. If only it was more like twitter. :greengrin

[lapsedhibee]

As far as the Tories are concerned the Beeb is not only less than even handed with them, they are actively trying to undermine them. Funnily enough Labour supporters and SNP supporters believe they are doing the same to their party of choice. It makes you wonder how the BBC could possibly claim to be impartial when they are biased against everyone.

Appears to me that the BBC are biased in favour of whatever UK Government is in power at the time. They've been biased towards Blair, Cameron, May and Johnson this century. If BBC Scotland was independent of BBC UK, I guess it would be biased in favour of the SNP in power here. As it's not, it's not.

[Hibrandenburg]

To be fair, (I know, call me old fashioned :greengrin), the BBC didn't make the appointment the Government did. As far as the Tories are concerned the Beeb is not only less than even handed with them, they are actively trying to undermine them. Funnily enough Labour supporters and SNP supporters believe they are doing the same to their party of choice. It makes you wonder how the BBC could possibly claim to be impartial when they are biased against everyone. If only it was more like twitter. :greengrin

I prefer to think that the Tories just don't consider the BBC to be biased enough in their favour. :greengrin

[marinello59]

I prefer to think that the Tories just don't consider the BBC to be biased enough in their favour. :greengrin

Too many left wing comedians apparently. :greengrin