From Leeann

[blackpoolhibs]

Like most supporters I'm totally gutted by the way the Club has been run together with the associated performances on the pitch which seems to have been ongoing since John Collins walked out. We took in millions of pounds in transfer fees during JC's time and have failed to invest meaningfully in the playing squad ever since. That has been a huge factor in our downfall together with a failure to maximise the benefit of East Mains.

It is simply unacceptable for Hibs to be languishing in the middle of the Championship when they should, IMO never be out with the top 4 in the SPFL.

We have a long, long way to go to turn around the mis-management of the Club which we all love, but for one Leeann, I admire your guts to come on here and tell it how it is. You are obviously determined to sort things out and I think we need to give you every backing to do that. It won't happen overnight but I think you have the strength of character and determination to succeed.

Everyone with a Hibs connection is hurting just now and you can see that from the heat which is being vented on this thread. However, do not let that deflect you from the task in hand.


The mantra from the club was finish the infrastructure and the sky's the limit, when in reality it was the complete opposite. Now we have so much expenditure it limits what we can spend now on players, now we have the mantra of quality over quantity.

I wonder what the next bull**** cliche we will be fed come season ticket renewal time?

[HFC 0-7]

A strong backroom set up is for the benefit of the team though which is part of supporting a push for promotion. As noted above it needed to be put in place to replace leavers and to address gaps that should have been covered. We have 2 extra according to Leeann.

Other stuff like communication and community stuff can be worked on at the same time by non football staff so everyone can't just focus on winning football games.

Would you think we could beat Alloa if maybe we hadn't improved the website?

OK, so we are in a lower league with reduced income. We have a shrinking number of customers and unhappy existing ones. There is a major issue in that another season in the championship will reduce income further, and further reduce customers. Promotion = more income, no promotion = reduced income. We are going to post a loss for this season and its proving that we still cannot compete. We should have been scaling back to account for the reduced income and try to put every penny into the product - the only thing that will ultimately drive income!!!!. The backroom staff, youth policy etc etc will not bear fruit straight away, some of those changes will take years, if thats the case we wont gain promotion and we will continue to reduce our income. If we dont gain promotion, what effect do you think that will have on season tickets? How will we fair next season trying to re build with less money to do so, and dont forget, if we are posting a loss this season, it needs recouped at some point?

Promotion! Thats all that should have been on the minds of the board, everything else can wait! Whats the easiest way to get fans back to easter road? RESULTS! What will be difficult is to try and convince fans, who have been let down for years, to buy into some sort of revolution going on in the background.

[Ronniekirk]

We have not produced a player of any class since John Park (then head of coaching) left for Celtic. The last one was Fletch and he has improved no end and was superb last night.
And the irony is we identified these players and brought them through without East Mains .Proving if you have the right people doing Thier job it will reap rewards .But all the constant change of managers has led to constant change of Backroom staff or not replacing some and we have paid a heavy price for that .It was as if we took the Field of Dreams approach to the Academy ,Build it ,and They Will Come .But the most important people are the scouts to cherry pick the best young talent and then youth coaches that can develop and nurture that talent and then right Manager and assistant coaches who can then get the best out of these players when introduced to first team
So what Leeann has put in place is for the longer term and we need to stick with this and hope she is right that things will come good Financially we are where we are ,and like it or not ,we have no other options if no new investment is forthcoming .

[Brightside]

She hasnt sacked the manager, he and is staff are still being paid, the club took to long in relieving him of his duties, the backroom staff wasnt as much a priority as the first team yet we have probably made more changes in that area. She made us believe that by paying full whack there was a great chance of us winning or challenging for the title. Turns out that it not the case. We have a large back room staff, we are probably paying our backroom staff more than what the other teams are paying their playing staff. Leann is setting up for the future as if we are a top club, income will only be reducing, another season in the championship without rangers and hearts will see to that. Come season ticket renewal time if we are still in the championship? Pay full whack again or reduce the prices, either way income will be down but our large backroom staff will still need to be paid.

All the things she is trying to sort out that isnt to do with the first team could have waited until we are back in the top flight. What has she done with the money? Is too much of it going to the non playing staff because our first team cant beat part time footballers.
He still gets paid the same amount you know. Of he was terminated we'd have to pay off the whole contract. That was unaffordable. It's business sense for it to hit the balance every month rather than one lump. I go back to what I said earlier and I honestly think we are one of the worst in Scotland for ripping our players to shreds during games and after games. I'm sick of hearing the same people in the west abuse out players and is rather have 7000 fans than an extra 3000 downers.

[The Green Goblin]

I'd love to know what the total cost is that we pay out for East Mains to keep it running, not just the maintenance but the cost of the coaches too.

I was speaking to a scout from an English Championship club who reckons clubs in England have spent Millions on their training centres and they get virtually no real return or value for money. Its more of a case of being seen to be doing the right thing, because they get certain grants and stuff from the FA.

Its not right or wrong in my opinion, its just one way to go. We are doing it this way and St Johnstone spend their money on the first team.

We have sold nobody since the training centre was finished and have been relegated, St Johnstone have been in Europe a couple of times i think and won the Scottish Cup.

Who's doing things right?

I`m surprised more people haven`t picked up on this post. I think it really hits the nail on the head. To me it seems as if Hibs continue to worry about everything except the first team. It`s all about the frills and not the substance.

We were told the aim this year was promotion and that, amongst other things, ST prices would therefore remain the same. We are getting beaten and drawing with clubs with a fraction of our resources. The fans of those teams are all paying much less for their STs and there are much less of them. Where is all our money going then?

Can you honestly say that the club`s focus post-relegation, even post appointment of LD and AS, its main priority above all other things, has been to ensure as promised, that the first team is good enough to challenge for the league title and ensure promotion this year? It doesn`t seem that way to me.

[The Green Goblin]

Promotion! Thats all that should have been on the minds of the board, everything else can wait! Whats the easiest way to get fans back to easter road? RESULTS! What will be difficult is to try and convince fans, who have been let down for years, to buy into some sort of revolution going on in the background.

:agree:

[Andy74]

OK, so we are in a lower league with reduced income. We have a shrinking number of customers and unhappy existing ones. There is a major issue in that another season in the championship will reduce income further, and further reduce customers. Promotion = more income, no promotion = reduced income. We are going to post a loss for this season and its proving that we still cannot compete. We should have been scaling back to account for the reduced income and try to put every penny into the product - the only thing that will ultimately drive income!!!!. The backroom staff, youth policy etc etc will not bear fruit straight away, some of those changes will take years, if thats the case we wont gain promotion and we will continue to reduce our income. If we dont gain promotion, what effect do you think that will have on season tickets? How will we fair next season trying to re build with less money to do so, and dont forget, if we are posting a loss this season, it needs recouped at some point?

Promotion! Thats all that should have been on the minds of the board, everything else can wait! Whats the easiest way to get fans back to easter road? RESULTS! What will be difficult is to try and convince fans, who have been let down for years, to buy into some sort of revolution going on in the background.

A lot of words there but yes the backroom team will have been brought in to get promotion. And they still might.

[HFC 0-7]

A lot of words there but yes the backroom team will have been brought in to get promotion. And they still might.

Leann's own words were that they are trying to shape, change and re engineer every element of the club, that to me isn't a game plan that is focussing on promotion. If every element is being addressed then the backroom staff won't be just looking at promotion or the team on the pitch.

I believe there is a lot wrong at the club, but they can't solve everything at once, therefore they must start by solving the most important one, the team and their results. Fix that and everything becomes easier. The fact that part time clubs, even top flight clubs with their small back room staff, small board, small stadium and lack of training facilities are getting the better of us proves that results can be achieved with a scaled down operation.

[steakbake]

deeply frustrating…

can't be a revolution if the guy at the top is the same.

[Bay Area Hibees]

He still gets paid the same amount you know. Of he was terminated we'd have to pay off the whole contract. That was unaffordable. It's business sense for it to hit the balance every month rather than one lump. I go back to what I said earlier and I honestly think we are one of the worst in Scotland for ripping our players to shreds during games and after games. I'm sick of hearing the same people in the west abuse out players and is rather have 7000 fans than an extra 3000 downers.


100% with you on this

[IWasThere2016]

I'd love to know what the total cost is that we pay out for East Mains to keep it running, not just the maintenance but the cost of the coaches too.

I was speaking to a scout from an English Championship club who reckons clubs in England have spent Millions on their training centres and they get virtually no real return or value for money. Its more of a case of being seen to be doing the right thing, because they get certain grants and stuff from the FA.

Its not right or wrong in my opinion, its just one way to go. We are doing it this way and St Johnstone spend their money on the first team.

We have sold nobody since the training centre was finished and have been relegated, St Johnstone have been in Europe a couple of times i think and won the Scottish Cup.

Who's doing things right?

They also sold Stevie May for a large fee + add-ons.

[hibsbollah]

To save me trawling through the thread, can anyone link to what she actually said? What's her user name?

[Peevemor]

To save me trawling through the thread, can anyone link to what she actually said? What's her user name?

LD's the thread starter - it's the first post.

[hibsbollah]

LD's the thread starter - it's the first post.

:doh:

[Gatecrasher]

:doh:

:faf:

[blackpoolhibs]

I`m surprised more people haven`t picked up on this post. I think it really hits the nail on the head. To me it seems as if Hibs continue to worry about everything except the first team. It`s all about the frills and not the substance.

We were told the aim this year was promotion and that, amongst other things, ST prices would therefore remain the same. We are getting beaten and drawing with clubs with a fraction of our resources. The fans of those teams are all paying much less for their STs and there are much less of them. Where is all our money going then?

Can you honestly say that the club`s focus post-relegation, even post appointment of LD and AS, its main priority above all other things, has been to ensure as promised, that the first team is good enough to challenge for the league title and ensure promotion this year? It doesn`t seem that way to me.

I personally worry at this moment in time that too much money is going out the door again on infrastructure. We seem to be spending more and more on worrying about getting the youngsters right when its the first team that needs sorted now.

I again in my opinion think we wont be going up this season, we wont win the league and i cant see us beating anyone in a play off even if we get that far which again i dont think we will be anywhere near.

So we then go into next season with reduced income, with at least the same outgoings from East Mains but who knows with this lot in charge, we could even have more?

Does anyone see the first team getting stronger in this scenario, or is this not what they think will happen?

[bingo70]

I personally worry at this moment in time that too much money is going out the door again on infrastructure. We seem to be spending more and more on worrying about getting the youngsters right when its the first team that needs sorted now.

I again in my opinion think we wont be going up this season, we wont win the league and i cant see us beating anyone in a play off even if we get that far which again i dont think we will be anywhere near.

So we then go into next season with reduced income, with at least the same outgoings from East Mains but who knows with this lot in charge, we could even have more?

Does anyone see the first team getting stronger in this scenario, or is this not what they think will happen?

Probably not the answer you're looking for but with hearts and rangers unlikely to be in the league next season the team won't need to be as strong. I'd also expect to have a more settled side for next season with a lot less upheaval behind the scenes which should make a difference.

In terms of our promotion chances, we clearly won't won the league now but I'd say pur play off chances depend on how we finish the season, not how we start it. If we can build up momentum in the last 10 games before the play off I think we'd stand a chance. (Not sure but is that not what happened with Hamilton? )

[Dr Jimmy]

I personally worry at this moment in time that too much money is going out the door again on infrastructure. We seem to be spending more and more on worrying about getting the youngsters right when its the first team that needs sorted now.

I again in my opinion think we wont be going up this season, we wont win the league and i cant see us beating anyone in a play off even if we get that far which again i dont think we will be anywhere near.

So we then go into next season with reduced income, with at least the same outgoings from East Mains but who knows with this lot in charge, we could even have more?

Does anyone see the first team getting stronger in this scenario, or is this not what they think will happen?

Whilst I agree we are struggling and paying the price for the lack of investment in the team, particularly a proven goal scorer. We are only in mid October with 27 games to go. I think it's a bit early to be conceding the league and our play off chances just yet. A lot can happen before May.

[Peevemor]

I reckon that during the close season, the Board would have seen Sevco as stick-ons for the league and budgeted for 2 seasons in the 2nd tier - and if we won promotion via a play-off, all the better.

[blackpoolhibs]

Probably not the answer you're looking for but with hearts and rangers unlikely to be in the league next season the team won't need to be as strong. I'd also expect to have a more settled side for next season with a lot less upheaval behind the scenes which should make a difference.

In terms of our promotion chances, we clearly won't won the league now but I'd say pur play off chances depend on how we finish the season, not how we start it. If we can build up momentum in the last 10 games before the play off I think we'd stand a chance. (Not sure but is that not what happened with Hamilton? )

I dont know what answer i was looking for bingo, but the one i certainly was not looking for was we might go up next season because the teams around us will be weaker.

And while that might be the case, i'd just prefer us to be a lot stronger than we are.



Whilst I agree we are struggling and paying the price for the lack of investment in the team, particularly a proven goal scorer. We are only in mid October with 27 games to go. I think it's a bit early to be conceding the league and our play off chances just yet. A lot can happen before May.

Sorry but the club have conceded the league, that happened in the summer. A play off place is achievable, i dont know if we will make one of the places that get it but winning it is not an option in my opinion unless these players suddenly get much better and we have a very good transfer window. Although again can anyone see that happening, and of course over the last few seasons i am sick of hearing that the january window is poor for getting in decent quality anyway?

And remember next season we WILL have less money to spend.

[greenpaper55]

I dont know what answer i was looking for bingo, but the one i certainly was not looking for was we might go up next season because the teams around us will be weaker.

And while that might be the case, i'd just prefer us to be a lot stronger than we are.




Sorry but the club have conceded the league, that happened in the summer. A play off place is achievable, i dont know if we will make one of the places that get it but winning it is not an option in my opinion unless these players suddenly get much better and we have a very good transfer window. Although again can anyone see that happening, and of course over the last few seasons i am sick of hearing that the january window is poor for getting in decent quality anyway?

And remember next season we WILL have less money to spend.

How much is the big question , the ST prices next season must be slashed if we are in this division and that leaves the question how do you maintain all that we have on half the income that we have just now ?. Unless we can double the present ST numbers then we are friar tucked which means less to spend on the team which means less ST numbers and so on and so on, it's almost as if someone is trying their best to run the place into the ground.

[The Modfather]

I reckon that during the close season, the Board would have seen Sevco as stick-ons for the league and budgeted for 2 seasons in the 2nd tier - and if we won promotion via a play-off, all the better.

I suspect that is the case too. Although, that wasn't what we were told at the start of the season or why we were to still pay SPL prices this season.

[The Modfather]

How much is the big question , the ST prices next season must be slashed if we are in this division and that leaves the question how do you maintain all that we have on half the income that we have just now ?. Unless we can double the present ST numbers then we are friar tucked which means less to spend on the team which means less ST numbers and so on and so on, it's almost as if someone is trying their best to run the place into the ground.

We got "quality over quantity" this season at SPL prices. Wonder what "quality over quantity" will look like at Championship prices next season, I'll be taking my boots along next season just incase.

[oneone73]

If the Yams and the Huns go up, they'll be replaced by two premiership teams, one of whom will have a parachute payment. We must go all out for promotion now.

[Gatecrasher]

I reckon that during the close season, the Board would have seen Sevco as stick-ons for the league and budgeted for 2 seasons in the 2nd tier - and if we won promotion via a play-off, all the better.

This is my opinion as well and the actions of the board during the close season leans me towards this, whilst they would deny it over and over we haven't had the actions of a club on the hunt for promotion.

[SlickShoes]

I'd love to know what the total cost is that we pay out for East Mains to keep it running, not just the maintenance but the cost of the coaches too.

I was speaking to a scout from an English Championship club who reckons clubs in England have spent Millions on their training centres and they get virtually no real return or value for money. Its more of a case of being seen to be doing the right thing, because they get certain grants and stuff from the FA.

Its not right or wrong in my opinion, its just one way to go. We are doing it this way and St Johnstone spend their money on the first team.

We have sold nobody since the training centre was finished and have been relegated, St Johnstone have been in Europe a couple of times i think and won the Scottish Cup.

Who's doing things right?

You know that St Johnstone don't just train on a public park though.

They train at Stirling University which probably has better overall facilities than east mains, actual pitches, 4G, fully equiped gym, olympic swimming pool, its the sporting centre of excellence for Scotland. I'm sure it's not cheap for them but there aren't many facilities like this even available. If Hibs didn't have East Mains where could we train that would be on par with that?

[MrSmith]

I dont know what answer i was looking for bingo, but the one i certainly was not looking for was we might go up next season because the teams around us will be weaker.

And while that might be the case, i'd just prefer us to be a lot stronger than we are.

to be blunt, I want the team at the top of the league not half way down the flaming championship! the boards inaction over the summer has cost the club dearly to the point where we now see fans accepting mediocrity including defeat! Source, this thread gives countless examples of brow beaten fans! I'm completely sick of it! Those incumbents ought to be ashamed of themselves and need removed asap, there is no club without a successful onfield team! Sick of it, sick of mediocrity, sick of defeat, sick of this division, sick of the pussies the fans have become.

[green&left]

You know that St Johnstone don't just train on a public park though.

They train at Stirling University which probably has better overall facilities than east mains, actual pitches, 4G, fully equiped gym, olympic swimming pool, its the sporting centre of excellence for Scotland. I'm sure it's not cheap for them but there aren't many facilities like this even available. If Hibs didn't have East Mains where could we train that would be on par with that?

Not sure what's on offer around Edinburgh but we're probably spending more on a training centre that is less practical and less equipped than what some off our rivals have. Aberdeen are using Aberdeen universities five star sporting facilities, Hertz have their tie-in with HWU, St Johnstone at Stirling Uni, Motherwell & Hamilton plus others using Ravenscraig and Toryglen. Killie installed or at least are installing a 5G pitch at Rugby Park so they can train on that.

We're probably paying more in maintaining ours than what the above pay in rent, for somewhere that can't be used when the temperature turns to minus degree's. Its great we can call it ours but beginning to think we perhaps jumped the gun a little. Or we just unfortunate there are no places and options for us to tie into?

[marinello59]

Not sure what's on offer around Edinburgh but we're probably spending more on a training centre that is less practical and less equipped than what some off our rivals have. Aberdeen are using Aberdeen universities five star sporting facilities, Hertz have their tie-in with HWU, St Johnstone at Stirling Uni, Motherwell & Hamilton plus others using Ravenscraig and Toryglen. Killie installed or at least are installing a 5G pitch at Rugby Park so they can train on that.

We're probably paying more in maintaining ours than what the above pay in rent, for somewhere that can't be used when the temperature turns to minus degree's. Its great we can call it ours but beginning to think we perhaps jumped the gun a little. Or we just unfortunate there are no places and options for us to tie into?

I'm not so sure that's true. I think they train on a pitch owned by a private girls school. One of their aims is to get their own training facility as part of their latest attempt to get the Council to chip in towards a ''community''' stadium.

[Keith_M]

I'm not so sure that's true. I think they train on a pitch owned by a private girls school. One of their aims is to get their own training facility as part of their latest attempt to get the Council to chip in towards a ''community''' stadium.


Jeezo, if you thought our players were distracted just now with Playstations and The Bookies....


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[Sergio sledge]

Not sure what's on offer around Edinburgh but we're probably spending more on a training centre that is less practical and less equipped than what some off our rivals have. Aberdeen are using Aberdeen universities five star sporting facilities, Hertz have their tie-in with HWU, St Johnstone at Stirling Uni, Motherwell & Hamilton plus others using Ravenscraig and Toryglen. Killie installed or at least are installing a 5G pitch at Rugby Park so they can train on that.

We're probably paying more in maintaining ours than what the above pay in rent, for somewhere that can't be used when the temperature turns to minus degree's. Its great we can call it ours but beginning to think we perhaps jumped the gun a little. Or we just unfortunate there are no places and options for us to tie into?

IIRC plastic pitches were banned in the SPL when Hibs pushed forward with East Mains, so what Killie have done would have been impossible. Perhaps looking back this should have been the way forward for a club like ours, plastic pitch at ER allowing us to use it all week for training etc. and hire it out in evenings for some additional income. Although there is a lot of opposition to plastic pitches in Scottish football, so I don't know if people would have been too happy with it.

IMHO the investment in East Mains cannot be judged yet. Certainly if you are to look at value for money so far we would appear to have thrown £7m odd (£5m to build and £300k per season running costs) down the drain in the 7 seasons we have had it with no real return, however for the entire 7 years we've had it we have, by all accounts, had a terrible scouting, coaching and academy set up and a succession of managers at the club who don't appear to have known how to utilise EM properly.

Perhaps we should have pursued managers who had experience of how a training centre like EM could be maximised rather than employing guys from Cowdenbeath, Falkirk, Bohemians and ICT. Guys who perhaps stuck to what they knew rather than using EM fully. Perhaps Stubbs (coming from Everton) and the new coaching, academy and scouting set up can utilise EM fully but we wont see the real benefits of that after the manager being here 4 months.

[percy veer]

You know that St Johnstone don't just train on a public park though.

They train at Stirling University which probably has better overall facilities than east mains, actual pitches, 4G, fully equiped gym, olympic swimming pool, its the sporting centre of excellence for Scotland. I'm sure it's not cheap for them but there aren't many facilities like this even available. If Hibs didn't have East Mains where could we train that would be on par with that?

your right that Olympic size swimming pool really does make the difference for footballers.

get a pitch, get a ball and sort your selfs out sick of this namby pamby attitude get on with it.

[Kato]

While I'm at it, if the all the supporting elements for the team were so dreadful previously then why the **** is the guy who was responsible for it still involved with the club !

Rant over.

Because he owns 10% of the club and the owner of the other 90% is stubborn.

[Bad Martini]

Let's go out on a limb here.

What (EXACTLY) has East Mains done for us beyond diverting money (irrespective of how much) from the first team where we really NEED it, to a training complex???

When did we last win a cup and where did we train to do it?
And before that, where did we train to do it?
The Tornadoes?
The Famous Five?

....taking it further, the impoverished Brazilians of old?

ITS AW PISH!!!

We didny "NEED" it. It's not even been ***** useful. It's been a waste of money and continues to be. Letting the public play there and such like matters not a toss when it comes to what goes on.

Get them out on dug ***** infeted pitches. You do realise Man City have a dozen or so training pitches, some of which are modelled on really bad, bumpy, ****ty surfaces....the idea being they learn to play well on all surfaces good and bad and thus they can play anywhere?

However, I await with baited breat the stream of posts telling me how we NEED East Mains in this "day and age" and how it's required, it's useful, it's mandatory, it attracts players (aye, they've been good eh?)

A big kick up the arse is what our team needed and still needs to a point. NOT, playstations, perfect surfaces and all the gubbins. A big old slice of hard work can be achieved anywhere if you want to do it and it doesn't need 10 big empty astro pitches in ****knowswhere countryside, further detaching our players from the community....

Or maybe that would be too much like hard work being part of this community??

:rolleyes:

[hibsbollah]

it's almost as if someone is trying their best to run the place into the ground.

With respect, I think its comments like these that Leann is referring to when she talks about negativity. Do you REALLY believe that?

[Kato]

We're probably paying more in maintaining ours than what the above pay in rent,

"Probably"? Why "probably"?

[KeithTheHibby]

I reckon that during the close season, the Board would have seen Sevco as stick-ons for the league and budgeted for 2 seasons in the 2nd tier - and if we won promotion via a play-off, all the better.

This. The party line fed to the fans was that promotion via the title was the target, which if you consider that as things stand, is a load of nonsense which was said to appease. It is hard to have any respect for the board when all we have been fed is blatant lies.

I am willing to go so far as to excuse LD from this whole scenario as I think she is doing her best however when your hands are tied behind your back there is only so much you can do.

[silverhibee]

The mantra from the club was finish the infrastructure and the sky's the limit, when in reality it was the complete opposite. Now we have so much expenditure it limits what we can spend now on players, now we have the mantra of quality over quantity.

I wonder what the next bull**** cliche we will be fed come season ticket renewal time?


Quantity over Part-time, it's the way ahead, along with the plastic pitch that will get laid at ER if there is no promotion this season as it will give us the advantage when we come up against the quality in the Championship league.

Build it and they will come, worked wonders so it has. :wink:

[Andy74]

This. The party line fed to the fans was that promotion via the title was the target, which if you consider that as things stand, is a load of nonsense which was said to appease. It is hard to have any respect for the board when all we have been fed is blatant lies.

I am willing to go so far as to excuse LD from this whole scenario as I think she is doing her best however when your hands are tied behind your back there is only so much you can do.

So taking that on a bit the board then asked Liam Craig to miss the penalty against Hearts, for Farid to have a bad day against Falkirk and then arranged for him to get injured at Alloa?

Targets are targets, they can't be guaranteed. I believe we had/have every intention of winning the league. The way we have played at Ibrox twice tells me we should be if we play like we can.

What makes you think she is having her hands tied behind her back by anyone? Do you believe her when she said that the budget has been stretched as far as possible and we will be making a decent loss as a result?

[silverhibee]

And the irony is we identified these players and brought them through without East Mains .Proving if you have the right people doing Thier job it will reap rewards .But all the constant change of managers has led to constant change of Backroom staff or not replacing some and we have paid a heavy price for that .It was as if we took the Field of Dreams approach to the Academy ,Build it ,and They Will Come .But the most important people are the scouts to cherry pick the best young talent and then youth coaches that can develop and nurture that talent and then right Manager and assistant coaches who can then get the best out of these players when introduced to first team
So what Leeann has put in place is for the longer term and we need to stick with this and hope she is right that things will come good Financially we are where we are ,and like it or not ,we have no other options if no new investment is forthcoming .

Donald Park should have been given a job for life at Hibs, if Hibs were playing at the weekend he was nowhere near the game, he was to busy travelling round the Lothians watching young kids playing football in their leagues, he may be taking in 3 games a day at the weekend, he worked every hour he could for Hibs looking for young talent to bring to ER, he was a great Ambassador for the club when he was out trying to attract these young lads to ER, handing out comps to parents to come and watch Hibs and a friendly person to get on with and talk too, and he had an eye for finding good young talent.

The younger players seen him as a father figure type person, any problems and you could talk to DP and he would give out good advice to the players, there was a great bond with the young players and him, even the first team players at that time had the utmost respect for him, Fun Days at ER where 1000s of fans were turning out and he was great and had time for everyone and made the training sessions fun, simply a great guy to have around the club.

We don't have anyone at Hibs like that anymore.

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

to be blunt, I want the team at the top of the league not half way down the flaming championship! the boards inaction over the summer has cost the club dearly to the point where we now see fans accepting mediocrity including defeat! Source, this thread gives countless examples of brow beaten fans! I'm completely sick of it! Those incumbents ought to be ashamed of themselves and need removed asap, there is no club without a successful onfield team! Sick of it, sick of mediocrity, sick of defeat, sick of this division, sick of the pussies the fans have become.

:agree:

[silverhibee]

He still gets paid the same amount you know. Of he was terminated we'd have to pay off the whole contract. That was unaffordable. It's business sense for it to hit the balance every month rather than one lump. I go back to what I said earlier and I honestly think we are one of the worst in Scotland for ripping our players to shreds during games and after games. I'm sick of hearing the same people in the west abuse out players and is rather have 7000 fans than an extra 3000 downers.


Report them to Leeann, she will get the stewards to sort them out.

To be honest i think the atmosphere has changed at ER this season, folk can't be bothered shouting/booing at the team anymore, folk just sit there depressed watching the fare on show, no promotion this season and it might only be 3000 inside the ground next season, and they will have to sit at all times, no clapping hands or cheering when the team score, if the team do score that is, talking in a loud voice will see you get a banning order.

Someone is killing OUR club.

[Deansy]

Donald Park should have been given a job for life at Hibs, if Hibs were playing at the weekend he was nowhere near the game, he was to busy travelling round the Lothians watching young kids playing football in their leagues, he may be taking in 3 games a day at the weekend, he worked every hour he could for Hibs looking for young talent to bring to ER, he was a great Ambassador for the club when he was out trying to attract these young lads to ER, handing out comps to parents to come and watch Hibs and a friendly person to get on with and talk too, and he had an eye for finding good young talent.

The younger players seen him as a father figure type person, any problems and you could talk to DP and he would give out good advice to the players, there was a great bond with the young players and him, even the first team players at that time had the utmost respect for him, Fun Days at ER where 1000s of fans were turning out and he was great and had time for everyone and made the training sessions fun, simply a great guy to have around the club.

We don't have anyone at Hibs like that anymore.

Agree with every single word - get him back!

[Peevemor]

Donald Park should have been given a job for life at Hibs, if Hibs were playing at the weekend he was nowhere near the game, he was to busy travelling round the Lothians watching young kids playing football in their leagues, he may be taking in 3 games a day at the weekend, he worked every hour he could for Hibs looking for young talent to bring to ER, he was a great Ambassador for the club when he was out trying to attract these young lads to ER, handing out comps to parents to come and watch Hibs and a friendly person to get on with and talk too, and he had an eye for finding good young talent.

The younger players seen him as a father figure type person, any problems and you could talk to DP and he would give out good advice to the players, there was a great bond with the young players and him, even the first team players at that time had the utmost respect for him, Fun Days at ER where 1000s of fans were turning out and he was great and had time for everyone and made the training sessions fun, simply a great guy to have around the club.

We don't have anyone at Hibs like that anymore.

Donald could still have been at Hibs. It was his choice to accept the assistant manager's job (twice) and the and the associated risk.

[greenpaper55]

With respect, I think its comments like these that Leann is referring to when she talks about negativity. Do you REALLY believe that?

I said almost as i don't think those at the top have the brains for that !, it was a comment made in jest as i'm sure RP has the best interest of the club in mind at all times . :fibber:.

[silverhibee]

Probably not the answer you're looking for but with hearts and rangers unlikely to be in the league next season the team won't need to be as strong. I'd also expect to have a more settled side for next season with a lot less upheaval behind the scenes which should make a difference.

In terms of our promotion chances, we clearly won't won the league now but I'd say pur play off chances depend on how we finish the season, not how we start it. If we can build up momentum in the last 10 games before the play off I think we'd stand a chance. (Not sure but is that not what happened with Hamilton? )

Really don't no how you come to that conclusion Bingo, we will lose a number of loan players at the end of the season, not all the young lads who are around the 1st team just now may be on there way out at the end of this season if they don't secure a 1st team place and keep it, players will most certainly leave if we are still in this league, so all i can see is another upheaval for next season, FFS we just gave the young lad Handling a 4 year deal and he can't get anywhere near the starting 11, he could be out the door at the end of the season if he doesn't start showing any promise and forcing his way in to the starting 11 and keeping his place.

Promotion this season, can't see it myself.

[ahibby]

Donald Park should have been given a job for life at Hibs, if Hibs were playing at the weekend he was nowhere near the game, he was to busy travelling round the Lothians watching young kids playing football in their leagues, he may be taking in 3 games a day at the weekend, he worked every hour he could for Hibs looking for young talent to bring to ER, he was a great Ambassador for the club when he was out trying to attract these young lads to ER, handing out comps to parents to come and watch Hibs and a friendly person to get on with and talk too, and he had an eye for finding good young talent.

The younger players seen him as a father figure type person, any problems and you could talk to DP and he would give out good advice to the players, there was a great bond with the young players and him, even the first team players at that time had the utmost respect for him, Fun Days at ER where 1000s of fans were turning out and he was great and had time for everyone and made the training sessions fun, simply a great guy to have around the club.

We don't have anyone at Hibs like that anymore.

:agree: completely and also one of the most skillful players himself to come out of Edinburgh.

[Sammy7nil]

I personally worry at this moment in time that too much money is going out the door again on infrastructure. We seem to be spending more and more on worrying about getting the youngsters right when its the first team that needs sorted now.

I again in my opinion think we wont be going up this season, we wont win the league and i cant see us beating anyone in a play off even if we get that far which again i dont think we will be anywhere near.

So we then go into next season with reduced income, with at least the same outgoings from East Mains but who knows with this lot in charge, we could even have more?

Does anyone see the first team getting stronger in this scenario, or is this not what they think will happen?

There appears to be far too many coaches with little sign of results improving.
My worry is we are spending a lot on East Mains and Youth Development with little return in the meantime St Johnstone, Killie, St Mirren with far smaller crowds can compete with us on player wages as their investment in youth and training facilities are far less than ours.

We need to look at the model we are working to and ensure that investment in the 1st team is the No1 priority at all times.

[jeffers]

Report them to Leeann, she will get the stewards to sort them out.

To be honest i think the atmosphere has changed at ER this season, folk can't be bothered shouting/booing at the team anymore, folk just sit there depressed watching the fare on show, no promotion this season and it might only be 3000 inside the ground next season, and they will have to sit at all times, no clapping hands or cheering when the team score, if the team do score that is, talking in a loud voice will see you get a banning order.

Someone is killing OUR club.

Agree with this, especially the bit in bold. The football is better than last season in so much as it is kept on the deck but at times it is so slow and ponderous. I'm sitting there bored tbh and it feels like others around me are the same. Even the more vocal guys don't seem to be heard as much.

[green&left]

I'm not so sure that's true. I think they train on a pitch owned by a private girls school. One of their aims is to get their own training facility as part of their latest attempt to get the Council to chip in towards a ''community''' stadium.

They were defo training at the Aberdeen Sports Village when the BBC or STV news done a report on them in the summer - maybe just been a one-off for preparing for their Europea League match?

Looked mighty impressive anyway. (Putting Edinburgh to shame on a completely unrelated note).

[PeeJay]

I'd love to know what the total cost is that we pay out for East Mains to keep it running, not just the maintenance but the cost of the coaches too.

I was speaking to a scout from an English Championship club who reckons clubs in England have spent Millions on their training centres and they get virtually no real return or value for money. Its more of a case of being seen to be doing the right thing, because they get certain grants and stuff from the FA.

Its not right or wrong in my opinion, its just one way to go. We are doing it this way and St Johnstone spend their money on the first team.

We have sold nobody since the training centre was finished and have been relegated, St Johnstone have been in Europe a couple of times i think and won the Scottish Cup.

Who's doing things right?

Think your inference is wrong myself. The real investment in England and effort goes elsewhere, surely? England's problem - on the international stage - is that they do not have a sufficient number of home grown young talent to win or challenge for any of the major international team trophies. Instead they generally prefer to splash cash and buy in all the expensive talented foreigners they can -at club level success is achieved, but not at national level. Germany by contrast, has invested heavily and systematically in its youth - the results of this policy were there for all to see in Brazil. I think we do need to grow young talent and a state-of-the-at training complex is the ideal place to do it - the problem at ER seems to be to me (from afar) that we do not have the staff at the club capable of running it properly, it's evident all throughout the club - as to St Johnstone, haven't we been down that route?

[silverhibee]

You know that St Johnstone don't just train on a public park though.

They train at Stirling University which probably has better overall facilities than east mains, actual pitches, 4G, fully equiped gym, olympic swimming pool, its the sporting centre of excellence for Scotland. I'm sure it's not cheap for them but there aren't many facilities like this even available. If Hibs didn't have East Mains where could we train that would be on par with that?

Bet you St Johnstone don't pay anywhere near as much to use Stirling University as we pay to just maintain East Main, figures vary from £350k - £500k just to maintain East Main.

[HFC 0-7]

So taking that on a bit the board then asked Liam Craig to miss the penalty against Hearts, for Farid to have a bad day against Falkirk and then arranged for him to get injured at Alloa?

Targets are targets, they can't be guaranteed. I believe we had/have every intention of winning the league. The way we have played at Ibrox twice tells me we should be if we play like we can.

What makes you think she is having her hands tied behind her back by anyone? Do you believe her when she said that the budget has been stretched as far as possible and we will be making a decent loss as a result?

Andy, you have been one if the biggest 'defenders' of the club over the last few seasons and how they are going about things, yet here we are struggling in the championship. At what point does it become reality that the club have not been providing value for money, spending money in the wrong areas and leading fans on. why do you believe that things are changing for the better when the last 7 years or so prove that talk is cheap?

The question is, did they have every intention on winning the league but on the smallest budget possible that would allow them to do other things within the club? Did they really think they could win the league with the investment and work they have put into the first team or was it more a hope?

[marinello59]

They were defo training at the Aberdeen Sports Village when the BBC or STV news done a report on them in the summer - maybe just been a one-off for preparing for their Europea League match?

Looked mighty impressive anyway. (Putting Edinburgh to shame on a completely unrelated note).

The sports village is a brilliant facility. As far as I know they don't have access to it on a regular basis although that may have changed. They made a great fuss last season about doing a deal with St Margarets School to use their place out at Milltimber because up until then it was the public parks at Seaton etc they used.

[Sammy7nil]

So taking that on a bit the board then asked Liam Craig to miss the penalty against Hearts, for Farid to have a bad day against Falkirk and then arranged for him to get injured at Alloa?

Targets are targets, they can't be guaranteed. I believe we had/have every intention of winning the league. The way we have played at Ibrox twice tells me we should be if we play like we can.

What makes you think she is having her hands tied behind her back by anyone? Do you believe her when she said that the budget has been stretched as far as possible and we will be making a decent loss as a result?

I dont doubt that Andy but what I would ask is exactly where is the money going? We have lost Thomson, McPake, McGivern,Collins, Nelson, Jones, Doyle, Wotherspoon, Clancy, Vine, Deegan and more who would all be on a reasonable salary. We have replaced them with Malonga, Farid and in the main Youth. So as far as I can see the player wage budget has been slashed so where exactly is the money being spent? Not in the 1st team as far as I can see maybe it is on coaches and Malpas / Butcher

[silverhibee]

Let's go out on a limb here.

What (EXACTLY) has East Mains done for us beyond diverting money (irrespective of how much) from the first team where we really NEED it, to a training complex???

When did we last win a cup and where did we train to do it?
And before that, where did we train to do it?
The Tornadoes?
The Famous Five?

....taking it further, the impoverished Brazilians of old?

ITS AW PISH!!!

We didny "NEED" it. It's not even been ***** useful. It's been a waste of money and continues to be. Letting the public play there and such like matters not a toss when it comes to what goes on.

Get them out on dug ***** infeted pitches. You do realise Man City have a dozen or so training pitches, some of which are modelled on really bad, bumpy, ****ty surfaces....the idea being they learn to play well on all surfaces good and bad and thus they can play anywhere?

However, I await with baited breat the stream of posts telling me how we NEED East Mains in this "day and age" and how it's required, it's useful, it's mandatory, it attracts players (aye, they've been good eh?)

A big kick up the arse is what our team needed and still needs to a point. NOT, playstations, perfect surfaces and all the gubbins. A big old slice of hard work can be achieved anywhere if you want to do it and it doesn't need 10 big empty astro pitches in ****knowswhere countryside, further detaching our players from the community....

Or maybe that would be too much like hard work being part of this community??

:rolleyes:

It's nice and pretty, but the 3G pitch is a cheapo so we don't use it.

[greenpaper55]

Why can we not share this http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/scotland/24060805 Our neighbours are getting to use it so why can't we ?, sell the millstone of EM and get the use of a state of the art sports centre.

[Sammy7nil]

Herriot Watt will under go a huge makeover in the next 2 -3 years. It is set to become the new sports centre of exellece for Scotland. There will access to state of the art facilities coaches, dieticians, sports psychologist etc - Hearts will have access to all that for less than it costs us to maintain East Mains and all this on the back of not paying their bills :rolleyes:

[Golden Bear]

Herriot Watt will under go a huge makeover in the next 2 -3 years. It is set to become the new sports centre of exellece for Scotland. There will access to state of the art facilities coaches, dieticians, sports psychologist etc - Hearts will have access to all that for less than it costs us to maintain East Mains and all this on the back of not paying their bills :rolleyes:

Yip. There was something very "fishy" about that decision.

[silverhibee]

So taking that on a bit the board then asked Liam Craig to miss the penalty against Hearts, for Farid to have a bad day against Falkirk and then arranged for him to get injured at Alloa?

Targets are targets, they can't be guaranteed. I believe we had/have every intention of winning the league. The way we have played at Ibrox twice tells me we should be if we play like we can.

What makes you think she is having her hands tied behind her back by anyone? Do you believe her when she said that the budget has been stretched as far as possible and we will be making a decent loss as a result?

Got to agree our two best performances were away at Ibrox Andy, why then aren't we even coming close to these performances in other games though, what is going wrong, Stubbs played mind games with McCoist on both occasions and he got to McCoist, more in the second game but the way we played in the first game made McCoist play a different set up in the second game as he seen how well we played in the first game even though we lost it in extra time, why is Stubbs not using these mind games with other managers in this league, he should be doing it with every manager in this league and not just when we come up against Rangers.

[Sammy7nil]

Got to agree our two best performances were away at Ibrox Andy, why then aren't we even coming close to these performances in other games though, what is going wrong, Stubbs played mind games with McCoist on both occasions and he got to McCoist, more in the second game but the way we played in the first game made McCoist play a different set up in the second game as he seen how well we played in the first game even though we lost it in extra time, why is Stubbs not using these mind games with other managers in this league, he should be doing it with every manager in this league and not just when we come up against Rangers.

Stuff the mind games play well or dont play well JUST WIN :greengrin

[SHODAN]

Got to agree our two best performances were away at Ibrox Andy, why then aren't we even coming close to these performances in other games though, what is going wrong, Stubbs played mind games with McCoist on both occasions and he got to McCoist, more in the second game but the way we played in the first game made McCoist play a different set up in the second game as he seen how well we played in the first game even though we lost it in extra time, why is Stubbs not using these mind games with other managers in this league, he should be doing it with every manager in this league and not just when we come up against Rangers.

Robbie Neilson is just a front for Levein and won't respond to any mind games. The other teams we should be beating 3 or 4 nil by default.

[greenpaper55]

Got to agree our two best performances were away at Ibrox Andy, why then aren't we even coming close to these performances in other games though, what is going wrong, Stubbs played mind games with McCoist on both occasions and he got to McCoist, more in the second game but the way we played in the first game made McCoist play a different set up in the second game as he seen how well we played in the first game even though we lost it in extra time, why is Stubbs not using these mind games with other managers in this league, he should be doing it with every manager in this league and not just when we come up against Rangers.

It's sometimes easier to get a result away from home, so called lesser teams come to ER and sit in even when they go a goal down ( not happened a lot i know ) and even part timers can make it very difficult for teams when they set out to stop you playing. Look what happened with the mighty England who beat the butcher and bakers and candlestick makers of San Marino only 5-0, years ago that would have been double figures but football has moved on and there are no easy games.

[silverhibee]

Donald could still have been at Hibs. It was his choice to accept the assistant manager's job (twice) and the and the associated risk.

For what he had done and achieved at Hibs with developing young players he should never have been allowed to go, Parky i don't think was to keen to become a assistant but done it because Hibs asked him to do so, all Donald was interested in was bringing through the next batch of youngsters and out and about finding these young young lads on the council playing pitches in the Lothians, that's what he was good at and even a blind man could see that, but obviously not our Board, he instilled in the young players what it was all about to play for a club like Hibernian FC, who do we have at the club just now that does this, a big loss for Hibs and he would have thrived at a place like EM as well.

[SlickShoes]

Bet you St Johnstone don't pay anywhere near as much to use Stirling University as we pay to just maintain East Main, figures vary from £350k - £500k just to maintain East Main.

Aye but where else are we going to train? Now that we have invested in East Mains, what other facilities of a similar standard are there in Edinburgh?

[GreenCastle]

Herriot Watt will under go a huge makeover in the next 2 -3 years. It is set to become the new sports centre of exellece for Scotland. There will access to state of the art facilities coaches, dieticians, sports psychologist etc - Hearts will have access to all that for less than it costs us to maintain East Mains and all this on the back of not paying their bills :rolleyes:

Having seen the plans and spoken to people involved it will be an impressive structure including an indoor full size 3g pitch.

We have exclusivity to ours but seems like the yams get a decent deal training at HW right now and will get access to HW once the new structure is built.

The main problem with Hibs right now (and has been for several years) is STF and RP - they have put so many people off supporting the club and are causing division within the support.

LD has come in - but has now basically become a shield for RP.

I agree with many saying our fans exceptions have dropped - we are being told to be patient AGAIN - this is simply not good enough for the prices we are expected to pay.

LD coming on here has made this thread very interesting and so many fans speaking of being fed up shows the true story - I fully understand and sympathise with them.

A winning team would help cheer many fans up and take pressure off LD, RP and STF - but until that happens they are seriously under the microscope.

Sadly I have no faith in any of them getting us promoted this season or the culture at the club changing - until they leave the club. This messageboard - being a Hibs fan and enjoying games is going to continue to be depressing until significant change occurs and the fans see a completely fresh start.

[Mikey]

For those of you who are concerned about the workings at East Mains there are still places available for the Thursday 6th Nov visit...........

http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?291076-Hibs-net-Visit-To-East-Mains-(11-places-left-on-Thursday-6th-Nov-Monday-Full)

It isn't a gimmick, publicity stunt or stalling tactic. They just want the chance to explain the new set up and let people know how things are done down there now.

A few other groups have had the same type of visit and the feedback seems to have been positive.

Add your name to the other thread if you want to go, not this one!

[silverhibee]

Aye but where else are we going to train? Now that we have invested in East Mains, what other facilities of a similar standard are there in Edinburgh?


Spartans. :dunno:

But if we don't come up this season then there will only be one outcome next season, ST sales could go below as 5000 as fans are giving up on Hibs in there droves, ST prices would have to be slashed as i can't see many folk still wanting to pay top price for what league we are in, but it still won't encourage folk to come along and watch Hibs, with less income can we still afford to run and maintain EM while giving the manager a good budget, something will have to give and unless we can sell a few of our promising youngsters for millions this January :rolleyes: we could see the gates being closed at East Mains at the end of the season and us moving to Spartans for full time training there, or Hibs lay a plastic pitch and we play and train on that.

Somewhere along the line East Mains needs to start paying for it self by producing good young players that have been brought through the youth system and are sold on at a later date once we have had a few years out of them, so far that has not happened since the place has opened.

[IWasThere2016]

Herriot Watt will under go a huge makeover in the next 2 -3 years. It is set to become the new sports centre of exellece for Scotland. There will access to state of the art facilities coaches, dieticians, sports psychologist etc - Hearts will have access to all that for less than it costs us to maintain East Mains and all this on the back of not paying their bills :rolleyes:

Yup - I was involved in the Dundee bid which HW pipped, and you are spot on with your assessment. All good for the Yams.

[KeithTheHibby]

So taking that on a bit the board then asked Liam Craig to miss the penalty against Hearts, for Farid to have a bad day against Falkirk and then arranged for him to get injured at Alloa?

Targets are targets, they can't be guaranteed. I believe we had/have every intention of winning the league. The way we have played at Ibrox twice tells me we should be if we play like we can.

What makes you think she is having her hands tied behind her back by anyone? Do you believe her when she said that the budget has been stretched as far as possible and we will be making a decent loss as a result?


Very selective Andy with your opening line. In the order of balance how about the God awful performances against QOS and Alloa? Plus the dropping of 4 points at home in the last 2 matches?

Granted the team did play well against Rangers however even average teams can play well. 2 good performances in 12 matches played tells me the squad is not good enough to compete to win the league despite what you believe.

Andy it's all about opinions. I think unfortunately for LD is that she answers to RP and sir Tom which makes her job a damn more difficult than what she had to deal with at Motherwell where I think she had much more say about the direction the club goes in.

Question for you. Do you not think the club needs new owners or are you prepared to stand by the current regime?

[Andy74]

Very selective Andy with your opening line. In the order of balance how about the God awful performances against QOS and Alloa? Plus the dropping of 4 points at home in the last 2 matches?

Granted the team did play well against Rangers however even average teams can play well. 2 good performances in 12 matches played tells me the squad is not good enough to compete to win the league despite what you believe.

Andy it's all about opinions. I think unfortunately for LD is that she answers to RP and sir Tom which makes her job a damn more difficult than what she had to deal with at Motherwell where I think she had much more say about the direction the club goes in.

Question for you. Do you not think the club needs new owners or are you prepared to stand by the current regime?

A new Chairman, yes. Not bothered about new owner.

[Deansy]

Alan Stubbs just on 'STV News at Six' defending LD. The line 'the constant negativity can't be productive for anyone' was highlighted. Personally, I'm of the belief that if the 'constant deterioration' of our club and it's standards was at least halted, this 'problem' would be lessened.

(sorry, no link)

[Ronniekirk]

Alan Stubbs just on 'STV News at Six' defending LD. The line 'the constant negativity can't be productive for anyone'. Personally, I'm of the belief that if the 'constant deterioration' of our club and it's standards was at least halted, this 'problem' would be lessened.

(sorry, no link)

If only it was as simple as the support only making positive posts on here and backing the team in games .However the Board have obviously targeted this as an issue as Thats Leeann and Stubbs mentioned it in the last week .
So let's get right behind the team at Livinston and roar them on to Victory

[ekhibee]

I was just on facebook and this was the 1st thing that greeted me. I don't know if it's true or not, but it's quite worrying if it is IMO.


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Leeann Dempster - Considering Resignation From Hibernian FC
nformation Hibernian Retro has decided to focus all our attention on the glorious history of Hibernian Football Club and in doing so hopefully we can contribute to stemming the flow of abuse and negativity aimed at Leeann at the
club.
Thank you for understanding.
GGTTH




Leeann Dempster - Considering Resignation From Hibernian FC
We have it on very good authority that Leeann Dempster is as of this evening considering resignation from her post as Chief Executive at Hibernain Football Club.
This decision has been brought about by the continued personal attacks and abuse received by way of E- Mails, Tweets and text messages when the team loses and the continued slide down the championship table.
Hibernian Retro also understands Leeaan has been on the receiving end of some nasty verbal attacks on match days and during the working week whilst undertaking her duties at Easter Road.
As of this evening and in light of this information Hibernian Retro has decided to focus all our attention on the glorious history of Hibernian Football Club and in doing so hopefully we can contribute to stemming the flow of abuse and negativity aimed at Leeann at the
club.
Thank you for understanding.
GGTTH

[Jonnyboy]

I was just on facebook and this was the 1st thing that greeted me. I don't know if it's true or not, but it's quite worrying if it is IMO.


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Leeann Dempster - Considering Resignation From Hibernian FC
nformation Hibernian Retro has decided to focus all our attention on the glorious history of Hibernian Football Club and in doing so hopefully we can contribute to stemming the flow of abuse and negativity aimed at Leeann at the
club.
Thank you for understanding.
GGTTH




Leeann Dempster - Considering Resignation From Hibernian FC
We have it on very good authority that Leeann Dempster is as of this evening considering resignation from her post as Chief Executive at Hibernain Football Club.
This decision has been brought about by the continued personal attacks and abuse received by way of E- Mails, Tweets and text messages when the team loses and the continued slide down the championship table.
Hibernian Retro also understands Leeaan has been on the receiving end of some nasty verbal attacks on match days and during the working week whilst undertaking her duties at Easter Road.
As of this evening and in light of this information Hibernian Retro has decided to focus all our attention on the glorious history of Hibernian Football Club and in doing so hopefully we can contribute to stemming the flow of abuse and negativity aimed at Leeann at the
club.
Thank you for understanding.
GGTTH


Hibernian Retro - the font of all knowledge ---- not

[marinello59]

Alan Stubbs just on 'STV News at Six' defending LD. The line 'the constant negativity can't be productive for anyone' was highlighted. Personally, I'm of the belief that if the 'constant deterioration' of our club and it's standards was at least halted, this 'problem' would be lessened.

(sorry, no link)

He's right. Constant negativity doesn't help at all, it's destructive. Note, the key word is constant.

[weonlywon6-2]

If there is any shred of truth in the rumour about LD leaving then we are about to hit another low
I hope this is crap
imo of course

[silverhibee]

I was just on facebook and this was the 1st thing that greeted me. I don't know if it's true or not, but it's quite worrying if it is IMO.


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Leeann Dempster - Considering Resignation From Hibernian FC
nformation Hibernian Retro has decided to focus all our attention on the glorious history of Hibernian Football Club and in doing so hopefully we can contribute to stemming the flow of abuse and negativity aimed at Leeann at the
club.
Thank you for understanding.
GGTTH




Leeann Dempster - Considering Resignation From Hibernian FC
We have it on very good authority that Leeann Dempster is as of this evening considering resignation from her post as Chief Executive at Hibernain Football Club.
This decision has been brought about by the continued personal attacks and abuse received by way of E- Mails, Tweets and text messages when the team loses and the continued slide down the championship table.
Hibernian Retro also understands Leeaan has been on the receiving end of some nasty verbal attacks on match days and during the working week whilst undertaking her duties at Easter Road.
As of this evening and in light of this information Hibernian Retro has decided to focus all our attention on the glorious history of Hibernian Football Club and in doing so hopefully we can contribute to stemming the flow of abuse and negativity aimed at Leeann at the
club.
Thank you for understanding.
GGTTH



Pish and mare pish.

[matty_f]

Pish and mare pish.

Come on, they'd be the first people to know if she was considering leaving.

Actually, tell a lie...

[marinello59]

Pish and mare pish.

Aye.

[marinello59]

Come on, they'd be the first people to know if she was considering leaving.

Actually, tell a lie...

It's not very good marketing either. That lot will never fit on a t shirt.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

these retro boys have worn out my benefit of the doubt... if this proves false they should hang their virtual heads in shame.

[Golden Bear]

these retro boys have worn out my benefit of the doubt... if this proves false they should hang their virtual heads in shame.

Equally if its true they should hide their heads in shame.

[southsider]

I wish it was as easy to get rid of Petrie.

[Phil D. Rolls]

Alan Stubbs just on 'STV News at Six' defending LD. The line 'the constant negativity can't be productive for anyone' was highlighted. Personally, I'm of the belief that if the 'constant deterioration' of our club and it's standards was at least halted, this 'problem' would be lessened.

(sorry, no link)

How do we stop it.

[Forza Fred]

How do we stop it.

Stubbs stops it by ensuring the team he is responsible for consistently wins in this lower division.

Pretty simple really

[bingo70]

I honestly couldnae care if she did leave.

Nothing personal against her, I support a football team, far too much emphasis put on the board room the now.

I'd be more concerned if she was a 20 goal a season striker that was leaving.

[silverhibee]

I was just on facebook and this was the 1st thing that greeted me. I don't know if it's true or not, but it's quite worrying if it is IMO.


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Leeann Dempster - Considering Resignation From Hibernian FC
nformation Hibernian Retro has decided to focus all our attention on the glorious history of Hibernian Football Club and in doing so hopefully we can contribute to stemming the flow of abuse and negativity aimed at Leeann at the
club.
Thank you for understanding.
GGTTH




Leeann Dempster - Considering Resignation From Hibernian FC
We have it on very good authority that Leeann Dempster is as of this evening considering resignation from her post as Chief Executive at Hibernain Football Club.
This decision has been brought about by the continued personal attacks and abuse received by way of E- Mails, Tweets and text messages when the team loses and the continued slide down the championship table.
Hibernian Retro also understands Leeaan has been on the receiving end of some nasty verbal attacks on match days and during the working week whilst undertaking her duties at Easter Road.
As of this evening and in light of this information Hibernian Retro has decided to focus all our attention on the glorious history of Hibernian Football Club and in doing so hopefully we can contribute to stemming the flow of abuse and negativity aimed at Leeann at the
club.
Thank you for understanding.
GGTTH


Has she deleted things from her twitter account, it looks like she hardly uses it.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

It's a tough gig at ER isn't it? as previous posters have stated board room comings and goings don't interest me in the least these days, the last 7/8 years have been murder for us on the pitch and this is all that matters to me, LD was put in place by Petrie to divert the flak aimed at him and all this bull about being a non executive is a joke.

Farmer/Petrie out!

[blackpoolhibs]

True or not true, i dont really care. If its true its been a wonderful move by Petrie because this was all coming his way and he has played a blinder letting LD take the flak.

If its not true and she's not leaving, then fine nothing really changes.

[Steve-O]

Has she deleted things from her twitter account, it looks like she hardly uses it.

Probably hardly uses it because she's sick of reading hundreds of moronic tweets day after day.

After joining some of those Facebook pages on the go at the moment such as Transfer News and Rumours, and HibsPaige, I can see that there are more eejits that follow our club than I could ever have anticipated!

[Forza Fred]

I honestly couldnae care if she did leave.

Nothing personal against her, I support a football team, far too much emphasis put on the board room the now.

I'd be more concerned if she was a 20 goal a season striker that was leaving.

Totally understand this and when you think about it, it makes sense.

Ok so there are some anoraks among us who will know any question put to them, but generally what is remembered in the folklore in a positive way is on field results, victories, goals etc.

NOT who the back room staff were at the time.

Back room staff, directors etc only really get remembered through times which are bad

We expect them simply to get on with the job they were paid for, not to have some kind of hero status, that may be enjoyed by the players

[Peevemor]

It's a tough gig at ER isn't it? as previous posters have stated board room comings and goings don't interest me in the least these days, the last 7/8 years have been murder for us on the pitch and this is all that matters to me, LD was put in place by Petrie to divert the flak aimed at him and all this bull about being a non executive is a joke.

Farmer/Petrie out!

No. It's your posts that are the joke!

LD has been permitted to restructure almost the entire club since she was appointed, and it seems that she's looking to rejig the board too.

Yeah, but she's only there to take the flack!

Utter nonsense!

[BroxburnHibee]

Its a new low for completely unfounded rumours on here. Utter pish IMO.

Hardly a surprise she doesn't want to engage on forums like this.

[blackpoolhibs]

Totally understand this and when you think about it, it makes sense.

Ok so there are some anoraks among us who will know any question put to them, but generally what is remembered in the folklore in a positive way is on field results, victories, goals etc.

NOT who the back room staff were at the time.

Back room staff, directors etc only really get remembered through times which are bad

We expect them simply to get on with the job they were paid for, not to have some kind of hero status, that may be enjoyed by the players

:top marks It has got to the stage now where the main story's about Hibs are the bank balance or who we have brought in to be the new CEO or the new Manager or the new assistant manager or the new youth development officer.

I dont give a toss who most of these people are, its the team, its always been the team and players that are the ones to excite me and who i want to be reading about.

Everything else is just blah.

[Jimk]

No. It's your posts that are the joke!

LD has been permitted to restructure almost the entire club since she was appointed, and it seems that she's looking to rejig the board too.

Yeah, but she's only there to take the flack!

Utter nonsense!

But let's start by making sure the support can get a fag at half time. Four months in, what restructuring has actually happened ?

[Sir David Gray]

This will be utter nonsense, not to mention completely unhelpful.

[Peevemor]

But let's start by making sure the support can get a fag at half time. Four months in, what restructuring has actually happened ?

Are you for real?

[Hermit Crab]

Its a new low for completely unfounded rumours on here. Utter pish IMO.

Hardly a surprise she doesn't want to engage on forums like this.


:agree: Agree. Complete pish mate up by some bored yam.

[Jimk]

Are you for real?

What meaningful restructuring or even planned restructuring has occurred ?

[Peevemor]

What meaningful restructuring or even planned restructuring has occurred ?

If you're not interested enough to take in in what's been going on behind the scenes at ER/EM since June, then I can't be bothered answering.

[GreenArmyyy!]

Couldn't care less whether or not this is made up. At least it may make a few people stop and think before sending her and others abuse. We better be careful what we wish for. I was at the point of thinking things can't get any worse but the thought of going back to have Rod run the place is too much for me.

[Hermit Crab]

Couldn't care less whether or not this is made up. At least it may make a few people stop and think before sending her and others abuse. We better be careful what we wish for. I was at the point of thinking things can't get any worse but the thought of going back to have Rod run the place is too much for me.



You'll probably find that the majority of people who have sent abuse don't bother going to games and aren't even hibs fans. Just be folk on the wind up. Still no excuse for it though.

[Brightside]

You'll probably find that the majority of people who have sent abuse don't bother going to games and aren't even hibs fans. Just be folk on the wind up. Still no excuse for it though.

Can only assume that's half of .net then. I'd chuck it if I was her. Far too much poison for her to fix.

[IWasThere2016]

It was foolish to take the job with the toxic conduit still present and pulling all the strings.

[DaveF]

Can only assume that's half of .net then. I'd chuck it if I was her. Far too much poison for her to fix.

I've been crunching the statistical data and the number of match time posts divided by the total number of clicks is less than the lunar percentage volume of total registered posters and works out as 65.5% of users are actually at the game.

So it's another .net myth. A bit like your assumption ;-)

[Peevemor]

It was foolish to take the job with the toxic conduit still present and pulling all the strings.

FFS TQM, you're brighter than that! Can you not change the record?

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

No. It's your posts that are the joke!

LD has been permitted to restructure almost the entire club since she was appointed, and it seems that she's looking to rejig the board too.

Yeah, but she's only there to take the flack!

Utter nonsense!

You thinks so? oh well let's wait and see eh?

[Peevemor]

You thinks so? oh well let's wait and see eh?

Well why don't you, instead of just infesting the place with crappy soundbites?

[Eyrie]

You thinks so? oh well let's wait and see eh?

Some people are clearly eager to give Dempster flak without even paying attention to what she is busy doing, let alone give her any time to succeed with it.

[Peevemor]

Some people are clearly eager to give Dempster flak without even paying attention to what she is busy doing, let alone give her any time to succeed with it.

Really? I hadn't noticed! :fibber:

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Some people are clearly eager to give Dempster flak without even paying attention to what she is busy doing, let alone give her any time to succeed with it.

I never gave her flak at any time, I only said it was just more words that I and many others are fed up hearing, if she goes who will Petrie replace her with? won't be him that's for sure.

It's quite clear she knows about football and is miles ahead of that clown in that respect and honestly think she will tough it out.

[Peevemor]

I never gave her flak at any time, I only said it was just more words that I and many others are fed up hearing, if she goes who will Petrie replace her with? won't be him that's for sure.

It's quite clear she knows about football and is miles ahead of that clown in that respect and honestly think she will tough it out.

Make your mind up. You said less than an hour ago that she's only there to take the flak.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Make your mind up. You said less than an hour ago that she's only there to take the flak.

She was put there for a reason that is obvious to me! what bit don't you get? do you seriously think Petrie could have sorted out this mess himself? get real!

[Peevemor]

She was put there for a reason that is obvious to me! what bit don't you get? do you seriously think Petrie could have sorted out this mess himself? get real!

So was she appointed to sort out the club or simply to divert the flak from RP?

If it's the former, why do you bore us all with the latter?

[silverhibee]

Hibs

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

So was she appointed to sort out the club or simply to divert the flak from RP?

If it's the former, why do you bore us all with the latter?

If anyone is boring us it's you Mr Peev! what's your answer then? you seem to know it all, let's hear it!

[KWJ]

It was foolish to take the job with the toxic conduit still present and pulling all the strings.

Yet it doesn't seem like that's the reason for her wishing to bail at all, it's us.

[hibees 7062]

Hibs

Nae need :greengrin

[SteveHFC]

Nae need :greengrin

Reported

[Ronniekirk]

Hibs

:aok::flag:

[PatHead]

If anyone is boring us it's you Mr Peev! what's your answer then? you seem to know it all, let's hear it!

Must admit I find you more boring than Peev.

LD is here to sort things out, create a new culture and get this club heading in the right direction. Give her a chance for FS.

One of the few things RD has got right over the last few years.

[hibees 7062]

Reported

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[SteveHFC]

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcScojvAuG0kY3I9LSrcbD2MnMCn9LF6w 2xIX_7dVIVerZam-lmT

Nae need

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Must admit I find you more boring than Peev.

LD is here to sort things out, create a new culture and get this club heading in the right direction. Give her a chance for FS.

One of the few things RD has got right over the last few years.

I'm prepared to give anyone a chance but don't come on here telling us to stop moaning! the fans have been through 7/8 years of substandard football and are mighty fed up with the way the club has been run by that clown, tensions are running high at the moment and with all things Hibs there is nothing to suggest any different will happen.

[Peevemor]

If anyone is boring us it's you Mr Peev! what's your answer then? you seem to know it all, let's hear it!

I don't know it all and have never claimed to. I know that LD was appointed with a wide ranging remit to turn the club around. I know that she seems to have been given pretty much a free rein to do that. She's stated numerous times that she's nobody's puppet and wouldn't have accepted the job if there was any hint of that. I don't doubt that she'll have fought with the board over some stuff, and has probably not had it all her own way - but that'll be the same for any CEO making such radical change to a company's structure.

What I'm absolutely 100% certain of is that there are people on here who keep harping on about RP "pulling the strings". About how he still makes the decisions despite the evidence to the contrary. I also know that I'm sick of all the pish innuendo and rumours about this stuff, and would like these people to either post what they know, together with their sources or just shut their cakeholes once and for all.

[hibees 7062]

Nae need

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[bigwheel]

I don't know it all and have never claimed to. I know that LD was appointed with a wide ranging remit to turn the club around. I know that she seems to have been given pretty much a free rein to do that. She's stated numerous times that she's nobody's puppet and wouldn't have accepted the job if there was any hint of that. I don't doubt that she'll have fought with the board over some stuff, and has probably not had it all her own way - but that'll be the same for any CEO making such radical change to a company's structure.

What I'm absolutely 100% certain of is that there are people on here who keep harping on about RP "pulling the strings". About how he still makes the decisions despite the evidence to the contrary. I also know that I'm sick of all the pish innuendo and rumours about this stuff, and would like these people to either post what they know, together with their sources or just shut their cakeholes once and for all.

I have to say, I whole heartedly agree with this

[PatHead]

I'm prepared to give anyone a chance but don't come on here telling us to stop moaning! the fans have been through 7/8 years of substandard football and are mighty fed up with the way the club has been run by that clown, tensions are running high at the moment and with all things Hibs there is nothing to suggest any different will happen.

What I am moaning about is people like you not giving change a chance. 4 months is not long enough to turn round the mess we were in.

People like YOU coming on and moaning a every opportunity is not helpful and is just boring. You and others like you just increase tensions. Give the new regime a chance, take a deep breath and think about it.

I have hated being a Hibs fan, have given up a lot of my own time to make things better and am totally fed up with people like you that make no effort to make things better but just jump on the internet to moan. Give it a break for a wee while or get off your arse and try and make a difference.

[ronaldo7]

I don't know it all and have never claimed to. I know that LD was appointed with a wide ranging remit to turn the club around. I know that she seems to have been given pretty much a free rein to do that. She's stated numerous times that she's nobody's puppet and wouldn't have accepted the job if there was any hint of that. I don't doubt that she'll have fought with the board over some stuff, and has probably not had it all her own way - but that'll be the same for any CEO making such radical change to a company's structure.

What I'm absolutely 100% certain of is that there are people on here who keep harping on about RP "pulling the strings". About how he still makes the decisions despite the evidence to the contrary. I also know that I'm sick of all the pish innuendo and rumours about this stuff, and would like these people to either post what they know, together with their sources or just shut their cakeholes once and for all.

Do we have that evidence Peev? Genuine question.

[jacomo]

Some people are clearly eager to give Dempster flak without even paying attention to what she is busy doing, let alone give her any time to succeed with it.

Is that not because they are fed up, angry, and not in the mood to listen anymore? Doesn't take a genius to work that out.

This is becoming a very boring, circular argument on both sides now. Can we not raise the level of conversation and stop baiting each other?

[Peevemor]

Do we have that evidence Peev? Genuine question.

Look at the shake up at East Mains. Do the new people look like RP appointments? Regardless of your opinion on the matter, do you think RP would have engineered James McDonaugh's replacement? Does the current free tickets to schools thing feel like a RP initiative?

I'm only going by the stuff that I've seen happening in the (only) 4½ months that LD's been at ER.

[Mibbes Aye]

I don't know it all and have never claimed to. I know that LD was appointed with a wide ranging remit to turn the club around. I know that she seems to have been given pretty much a free rein to do that. She's stated numerous times that she's nobody's puppet and wouldn't have accepted the job if there was any hint of that. I don't doubt that she'll have fought with the board over some stuff, and has probably not had it all her own way - but that'll be the same for any CEO making such radical change to a company's structure.

What I'm absolutely 100% certain of is that there are people on here who keep harping on about RP "pulling the strings". About how he still makes the decisions despite the evidence to the contrary. I also know that I'm sick of all the pish innuendo and rumours about this stuff, and would like these people to either post what they know, together with their sources or just shut their cakeholes once and for all.

Well said :aok:

Time for those who castigate RP to back up their posts with some facts. Otherwise, why should anyone believe them?

[ronaldo7]

Look at the shake up at East Mains. Do the new people look like RP appointments? Regardless of your opinion on the matter, do you think RP would have engineered James McDonaugh's replacement? Does the current free tickets to schools thing feel like a RP initiative?

I'm only going by the stuff that I've seen happening in the (only) 4½ months that LD's been at ER.

Fairy Nuff, she's given out free tickets to schools, well done to her. What does an RP appointment look like, rather than an LD one:confused: Would Calderwood come into one of the categories, or Fenlon, or Yogi or Butcher?

[Ronniekirk]

Look at the shake up at East Mains. Do the new people look like RP appointments? Regardless of your opinion on the matter, do you think RP would have engineered James McDonaugh's replacement? Does the current free tickets to schools thing feel like a RP initiative?

I'm only going by the stuff that I've seen happening in the (only) 4½ months that LD's been at ER.

I have no doubt that Leeann has come in and ruffled feathers and tried to assert her own imprint on the Club and the rumour at the time was Rod would have kept Butcher et al but Leeann didn't think he was the man to bridge the Dissconnect between the Academy and first Team . Other initiatives she talked about when she first came in are now being implemented .
The Cat posted something to the effect something was about to come out that would maybe be a concern but not sure if that happened although could of missed it .
Think it's clear there are a number of folk on here that post that now feel Petrie should no longer be at the Club given the way he has mismanaged appointments and by all accounts Leeann is having to put back in place systems and changes to backroom that she feels should of been addressed previously .So on that basis there must be an uneasy relationship between Leeann and The Conduit .i am not saying it can't work but some people would just prefer a clean break and for a Rod to move on .in that regard some people will always look to read things into situations that aren't there but that's the legacy he has left .
Yes it's far too early for people to be getting on Leeanns back ,but results and some performances have partly driven that and there is genuine concern about what happens if we are in the Championship next Season
So yes there is no doubt that as a Support we are more fractured than we have been and hence the pleas from Leeann and Stubbs this week for less negativity .

[aunty joyce]

Would a poll be a good way of judging opinion on Leeann's vision for the club, do people have faith in her to deliver that vision?

I for one am 100% behind what Leeann is trying to do and we must be realistic - you cannot turn around the last 7/8 years of mismanagement in 7/8 months.

I urge the Hibernian support to give Leeann and Alan the backing to see the job through - we can be the most amazing support when we are all singing from the same hymn sheet ⚽️💚⚽️💚⚽️

[StokePogesHibs]

Would a poll be a good way of judging opinion on Leeann's vision for the club, do people have faith in her to deliver that vision?

I for one am 100% behind what Leeann is trying to do and we must be realistic - you cannot turn around the last 7/8 years of mismanagement in 7/8 months.

I urge the Hibernian support to give Leeann and Alan the backing to see the job through - we can be the most amazing support when we are all singing from the same hymn sheet ⚽️⚽️⚽️

Agree...but where there's been mismanagement leaders are normally accountable and go or are dismissed. Leeann needs a clean slate.

[Scott Allan Key]

I'd like to see G4S removed as security operators. They are heavy handed not only to Hibs fans but to the public too. My old neighbor who is an artist is manhandled on the way to her studio near Albion Place.

That G4S are renting space in South Stand may seem well and good to Hibs, Leeann, but they are the unethical company that facilitates the security system that brands a community in Israel as subhuman- an apartheid system. G4S out I say.

The drum and spirit of the young Hibees will not be stopped!

[macd123]

Would a poll be a good way of judging opinion on Leeann's vision for the club, do people have faith in her to deliver that vision?

I for one am 100% behind what Leeann is trying to do and we must be realistic - you cannot turn around the last 7/8 years of mismanagement in 7/8 months.

I urge the Hibernian support to give Leeann and Alan the backing to see the job through - we can be the most amazing support when we are all singing from the same hymn sheet ⚽️⚽️⚽️

I like leeann but didn't particularly like her post. It's completely pointless asking supporters to just be positive. There are people at every club who like a moan and if you get relegated then struggle in the championship it's going to happen. Are newcastle fans moaning? Yes. Rangers fans? Yes. Bolton fans? Yes.

If negativity is "demotivating" her like she says, how about focusing on the AMAZING fans we do have? Most of us would walk over hot coals for the club and are there no matter what.

So next time how about coming on and thanking fans for the backing we give the club and telling us we have our plan and we are seeing it through. It takes the mickey when you buy season tickets, attend meetings and follow the club round the country only to come back to a post saying she shouldnt have bothered communicating with us because we are all a bunch of moaners. Positivity goes 2 ways.

[bingo70]

What sort of volume of complaints and moans we talking about here?

Cannae be much more than 10-20 a week. If she's finding that stressful and demotivating it's a good job she Doesnae work for a utility company. Company I work for get hundreds of pissed off and really angry folk a day

[Peevemor]

What sort of volume of complaints and moans we talking about here?

Cannae be much more than 10-20 a week. If she's finding that stressful and demotivating it's a good job she Doesnae work for a utility company. Company I work for get hundreds of pissed off and really angry folk a day

If the figure was anywhere near as low as that she wouldn't even have mentioned them.

[marinello59]

I like leeann but didn't particularly like her post. It's completely pointless asking supporters to just be positive. There are people at every club who like a moan and if you get relegated then struggle in the championship it's going to happen. Are newcastle fans moaning? Yes. Rangers fans? Yes. Bolton fans? Yes.

If negativity is "demotivating" her like she says, how about focusing on the AMAZING fans we do have? Most of us would walk over hot coals for the club and are there no matter what.

So next time how about coming on and thanking fans for the backing we give the club and telling us we have our plan and we are seeing it through. It takes the mickey when you buy season tickets, attend meetings and follow the club round the country only to come back to a post saying she shouldnt have bothered communicating with us because we are all a bunch of moaners. Positivity goes 2 ways.

She hasn't told us to just be positive.
She hasn't blamed the fans, she just explained how demotivating the constant negativity from some can be. That's a truth in any walk of life.
If she had come on here and merely told us how wonderful the fans are then she would have been dismissed for patronising us. Personally I don't care for statements from the board etc, I just want to see results. But when many here were calling for LD to come in here and explain herself it's even more depressing to see people falling over themselves to put as negative a spin as possible on what was said. Before anybody responds by pointing out the position the team is currently in I know. We all do.

[GreenCastle]

Alan Stubbs wants to buy a player..whose decision is it to sanction the transfer ?

[Peevemor]

Alan Stubbs wants to buy a player..whose decision is it to sanction the transfer ?

LD if there's enough left in the budget.

The board if not.

[Geo_1875]

What sort of volume of complaints and moans we talking about here?

Cannae be much more than 10-20 a week. If she's finding that stressful and demotivating it's a good job she Doesnae work for a utility company. Company I work for get hundreds of pissed off and really angry folk a day

I doubt the figure is as low as that. I also doubt that the majority are from genuine Hibs fans. I'd be more than happy for Hibs to close all lines of communication allowing them to get on with the job in hand.

And you should just try harder and folk will stop phoning up to complain about you. :wink:

[AndyM_1875]

LD if there's enough left in the budget.

The board if not.

And the person who goes to our "bank of last resort" (Sir Tom) is Leeann Dempster.

[Peevemor]

And the person who goes to our "bank of last resort" (Sir Tom) is Leeann Dempster.

Via RP I would have thought - at least for the time being.

[bingo70]

I doubt the figure is as low as that. I also doubt that the majority are from genuine Hibs fans. I'd be more than happy for Hibs to close all lines of communication allowing them to get on with the job in hand.

And you should just try harder and folk will stop phoning up to complain about you. :wink:

I've probably exaggerated a wee bit but given the size if our customer base I think the volumes will be relatively low. Should be even less of a problem considering they appear to ignore a lot of them.

I don't understand why the chief executive would be dealing with all inbound email complaints anyway, surely there'd be a minion employed to read the emails and only pass on to her what actually needs to be answered by her.

Sounds like she's the best paid complaints handler of all time

[Mikey]

Via RP I would have thought - at least for the time being.

Agreed. Which is why RP would have been involved in the Griffiths saga.

[MoantheCabbage]

If the figure was anywhere near as low as that she wouldn't even have mentioned them.

Can I ask how you are demanding facts from posters about petrie still having the final say at ER over LD yet you are happy to post back with speculation to other posts.

I think most people still remember Fyfe Hyland being the yes man for petrie so it's very difficult to see why he would agree to full autonomy of the running of the club. Even if he has the doubt will always remain as people have long memories not just a 4 month blinkered view of the situation

[MrSmith]

What sort of volume of complaints and moans we talking about here?

Cannae be much more than 10-20 a week. If she's finding that stressful and demotivating it's a good job she Doesnae work for a utility company. Company I work for get hundreds of pissed off and really angry folk a day

Yup, my other half just started work for SG in the Dyno dept, some days she comes home really teary, upset, exhausted and exasperated by the attitude towards her by customers.

sorry Leanne but the fans are not to blame here so please, cease this culture of blaming fans for the predicament HFC finds itself in!

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

What I am moaning about is people like you not giving change a chance. 4 months is not long enough to turn round the mess we were in.

People like YOU coming on and moaning a every opportunity is not helpful and is just boring. You and others like you just increase tensions. Give the new regime a chance, take a deep breath and think about it.

I have hated being a Hibs fan, have given up a lot of my own time to make things better and am totally fed up with people like you that make no effort to make things better but just jump on the internet to moan. Give it a break for a wee while or get off your arse and try and make a difference.

And just what is it you want me to do Pat? buy the ****ing club??? If I win the Euro millions tonight it's the first thing I'm going to do! and the wife can wait for her holiday in the Cayman Islands! :wink:

[PatHead]

And just what is it you want me to do Pat? buy the ****ing club??? If I win the Euro millions tonight it's the first thing I'm going to do! and the wife can wait for her holiday in the Cayman Islands! :wink:

Stop moaning for at least a day?

[AndyM_1875]

Via RP I would have thought - at least for the time being.

Petrie will no doubt be on the fringes and aware of what's going on but she does have direct access to Sir Tom.
Leeann has had meetings with him and Petrie hasn't been present at them.

[GreenCastle]

LD if there's enough left in the budget.

The board if not.

Has LD come out and said this?

Has anyone asked Stubbs this?

[jacomo]

If the figure was anywhere near as low as that she wouldn't even have mentioned them.

This is pure conjecture. Not to say that even a small number of personal comments, as on Twitter, can cause a lot of grief.

[greenpaper55]

All the moaning and also the likes of this thread would stop if could string half a dozen wins together-lets hope starting tomorrow.

[Turkish Green]

Has LD come out and said this?

Has anyone asked Stubbs this?
Common business practice for companies (and no different for football clubs) is that the annual budget is submitted to the Board for approval. Once sanctioned by the Board the CEO can approve expenditure up to the approved budget amount.

In the case of Hibs, there will be a separate playing budget under the control of LD. As long as player transfers are within this budget then they can be approved by LD without need to go to the Board/RP. I suspect in the case of Sparky, it was above LD's DOA and required Board approval.

[Peevemor]

Common business practice for companies (and no different for football clubs) is that the annual budget is submitted to the Board for approval. Once sanctioned by the Board the CEO can approve expenditure up to the approved budget amount.

In the case of Hibs, there will be a separate playing budget under the control of LD. As long as player transfers are within this budget then they can be approved by LD without need to go to the Board/RP. I suspect in the case of Sparky, it was above LD's DOA and required Board approval.

Unless you're looking for stuff to moan about.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Stop moaning for at least a day?

I'm the only one right enough!

Did LD PM you to tell me that?

[IWasThere2016]

Yet it doesn't seem like that's the reason for her wishing to bail at all, it's us.

:greengrin

[Keith_M]

I'm the only one right enough!

Did LD PM you to tell me that?

Given that answer, it seems like you have a degree in boring negativity.


Thee are too many people that post on here with the agenda of attcking RP, to the exclusion of everything else. I want RP to leave, in fact see no good reason for him to stay, but I'm capable of looking beyond that and still backing what I see the Club is trying to do right, including the overhaul Dempster is attempting behind the scenes.

Others have no interest in doing so. They're the kind of people the Club could well do without.

[Hermit Crab]

This thread needs closed. Getting silly now.

[IWasThere2016]

FFS TQM, you're brighter than that! Can you not change the record?

Aye - but LD may have also made a mistake :wink:

[IWasThere2016]

This thread needs closed. Getting silly now.

Is it? :wink: :greengrin

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Given that answer, it seems like you have a degree in boring negativity.


Thee are too many people that post on here with the agenda of attcking RP, to the exclusion of everything else. I want RP to leave, in fact see no good reason for him to stay, but I'm capable of looking beyond that and still backing what I see the Club is trying to do right, including the overhaul Dempster is attempting behind the scenes.

Others have no interest in doing so. They're the kind of people the Club could well do without.

Negative? me? lol...fed up to the back teeth with the way the club has been run.

For the record. First game vs Bolton Wanderers 1962 (friendly)Last game the start of season 2006.

Home and away, everywhere, was a member of the juvenile St Giles bus which left from the Grassmarket, been all over Europe with Hibs as well.

Show me a decent team on the park and I will return, Stubbs seems to be doing a good job but we are still lacking in players, until then it's my prerogative what I say, this is an open forum is it not?

[JimBHibees]

Negative? me? lol...fed up to the back teeth with the way the club has been run.

For the record. First game vs Bolton Wanderers 1962 (friendly)Last game the start of season 2006.

Home and away, everywhere, was a member of the juvenile St Giles bus which left from the Grassmarket, been all over Europe with Hibs as well.

Show me a decent team on the park and I will return, Stubbs seems to be doing a good job but we are still lacking in players, until then it's my prerogative what I say, this is an open forum is it not?

Just to be clear, are you saying you havent been to a game since the start of the season 2006?

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

Just to be clear, are you saying you havent been to a game since the start of the season 2006?

Yep!

[JimBHibees]

Yep!

So you stopped going when we were good. :greengrin

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

So you stopped going when we were good. :greengrin

Part medical part family reasons Jim :wink:

[Mikey]

............ this is an open forum is it not?

It is indeed. But we do appreciate a bit of basic decency between posters :wink:

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

It is indeed. But we do appreciate a bit of basic decency between posters :wink:

Mikey, I haven't said anything untoward to anybody on here but can't say the same for some other posters.

[silverhibee]

She hasn't told us to just be positive.
She hasn't blamed the fans, she just explained how demotivating the constant negativity from some can be. That's a truth in any walk of life.
If she had come on here and merely told us how wonderful the fans are then she would have been dismissed for patronising us. Personally I don't care for statements from the board etc, I just want to see results. But when many here were calling for LD to come in here and explain herself it's even more depressing to see people falling over themselves to put as negative a spin as possible on what was said. Before anybody responds by pointing out the position the team is currently in I know. We all do.

Did she not say she would use football MB to consult/ integrate with fans, so far she has thrown a hand grenade in to .net and took a step back and watch the squabbling/infighting take place without getting involved herself, it has taken the talk away from the football side of things mind you that we are watching on the pitch just now, and there hasn't been much integrating with the fans from her about her post or are we to accept that everything she says is gospel without questioning her about things she posted and no dialogue from her.

Or was she just putting Hibs.net in it's place. :cb

[jacomo]

This thread needs closed. Getting silly now.

:agree:

But the same radges will probably just start up again somewhere else.

It's become very petty and tiresome.

[silverhibee]

Agreed. Which is why RP would have been involved in the Griffiths saga.


What saga, she made a enquiry to celtc about Griffiths and was told there was nothing doing.

So no saga or Petrie involved unless it was him that made the call.

[silverhibee]

This thread needs closed. Getting silly now.

Should have been closed after the first post. :wink:

[GreenCastle]

I don't know it all and have never claimed to. I know that LD was appointed with a wide ranging remit to turn the club around. I know that she seems to have been given pretty much a free rein to do that. She's stated numerous times that she's nobody's puppet and wouldn't have accepted the job if there was any hint of that. I don't doubt that she'll have fought with the board over some stuff, and has probably not had it all her own way - but that'll be the same for any CEO making such radical change to a company's structure.

What I'm absolutely 100% certain of is that there are people on here who keep harping on about RP "pulling the strings". About how he still makes the decisions despite the evidence to the contrary. I also know that I'm sick of all the pish innuendo and rumours about this stuff, and would like these people to either post what they know, together with their sources or just shut their cakeholes once and for all.

There are no facts here about LD being given free rein.

Even if she does come out and say she is charge of transfers etc then where does that leave RP? What would the point of him being at the club?

What actually does RP currently do with his involvement with Hibs?

He is sticking around for a reason and LD is never going to have the fans full support until RP / STF move on.

[greenpaper55]

There are no facts here about LD being given free rein.

Even if she does come out and say she is charge of transfers etc then where does that leave RP? What would the point of him being at the club?

What actually does RP currently do with his involvement with Hibs?

He is sticking around for a reason and LD is never going to have the fans full support until RP / STF move on.

RP is the conduit and he is a right conduit believe you me !, good question as regards what he does apart from passing on to Sir Tom how much he has saved in the past month.

[GreenCastle]

RP is the conduit and he is a right conduit believe you me !, good question as regards what he does apart from passing on to Sir Tom how much he has saved in the past month.

It's a simple question really.

Does he really just turn up for work every day and sit in his office and mind his own business ?

What actually is his job description?

[marinello59]

RP is the conduit and he is a right conduit believe you me !, good question as regards what he does apart from passing on to Sir Tom how much he has saved in the past month.

Like what seems like a majority of fans here I want to see Petrie leave but some of the stuff being posted is just plain dumb. Are you seriously suggesting that after budgets have been agreed with LD/Stubbs etc Rod Petrie somehow cuts them at the behest of STF?

[Peevemor]

It's a simple question really.

Does he really just turn up for work every day and sit in his office and mind his own business ?

What actually is his job description?

He's the non executive chairman of the board. He doesn't have a day to day job at ER and doesn't get paid by Hibs. He's there because STF wants him there as a liaison between himself and the board.

[silverhibee]

He's the non executive chairman of the board. He doesn't have a day to day job at ER and doesn't get paid by Hibs. He's there because STF wants him there as a liaison between himself and the board.

He is mainly at the offices on Hillhouse Road, at Farmers autocares, that's where his Merc and Porsche are normally parked.

[jacomo]

He's the non executive chairman of the board. He doesn't have a day to day job at ER and doesn't get paid by Hibs. He's there because STF wants him there as a liaison between himself and the board.

He's also run the club for over a decade. RP knows how to pull the strings no matter what official title he holds.

I've been struggling to work out why LD has spent so much time and energy on fan representation issues at a time when the club is in crisis mode (her words). The fan meeting on TDD was the starkest example of skewed priorities.

There are only two possible reasons IMO - either she ain't quite all she's cracked up to be, or someone else is setting her agenda.

[GreenCastle]

He's the non executive chairman of the board. He doesn't have a day to day job at ER and doesn't get paid by Hibs. He's there because STF wants him there as a liaison between himself and the board.

So why is he still hanging around ?

[R'Albin]

He's also run the club for over a decade. RP knows how to pull the strings no matter what official title he holds.

I've been struggling to work out why LD has spent so much time and energy on fan representation issues at a time when the club is in crisis mode (her words). The fan meeting on TDD was the starkest example of skewed priorities.

There are only two possible reasons IMO - either she ain't quite all she's cracked up to be, or someone else is setting her agenda.

I don't understand why Rodders would still want to be 'pulling the strings' though?

[CropleyWasGod]

So why is he still hanging around ?

Is he?

[Peevemor]

So why is he still hanging around ?

Are you doing this deliberately? What bit of my answer don't you understand?

[Peevemor]

I don't understand why Rodders would still want to be 'pulling the strings' though?

I don't know either but he must be though, because people on here keep saying he is (without saying exactly how they know this).

[silverhibee]

Is he?

He attends every game, so yes he is, and by the looks on Leeann's face it looks like she wishes he wasn't.

Does he have to be at games. ?

[CropleyWasGod]

He attends every game, so yes he is, and by the looks on Leeann's face it looks like she wishes he wasn't.

Does he have to be at games. ?

Do the other non-execs attend games?

I realise the situations aren't exactly the same, but I'm trying to tease out some facts here, rather than the usual.... :cb

[Time For Heroes]

I reckon we need to keep the faith with her, she has a clear vision of what she wants to achieve and I don't believe Petrie is any help.
Just remember it takes 6 months to build a Rolls Royce and 13 hours to build a Toyota.
Give her time.

[greenpaper55]

I find it astonishing that even someone with such a brass neck such as Rod has that he is still hanging around, what does he get out of being around ER ?.

[Peevemor]

I find it astonishing that even someone with such a brass neck such as Rod has that he is still hanging around, what does he get out of being around ER ?.

I suspect there are few people that can answer that.

[blackpoolhibs]

He attends every game, so yes he is, and by the looks on Leeann's face it looks like she wishes he wasn't.

Does he have to be at games. ?

I saw him sitting with LD at Dumfries, then in the 2nd half she sat on her own quite a bit away from him.

[silverhibee]

Do the other non-execs attend games?

I realise the situations aren't exactly the same, but I'm trying to tease out some facts here, rather than the usual.... :cb

Not to sure if they attend, i sit in the East and all i can see is Rod and Leeann sitting in the front row, it normally looks quite empty around them apart from one of these thugs in a high viz jacket. :greengrin

I think the putting him on gardening leave is the best option, just need the rest of the Board to vote it in, give him time to rake up all the leaves around his garden.

[Bostonhibby]

I suspect there are few people that can answer that.

Hearing he is addicted to four quid rock hard pizza slices and his dealer operates from a shed inside the ground.

[silverhibee]

I saw him sitting with LD at Dumfries, then in the 2nd half she sat on her own quite a bit away from him.

When you see the two of them sitting next to each other she looks very uncomfortable about it.

Maybe she doesn't like elephants. :greengrin

[Beefster]

He's also run the club for over a decade. RP knows how to pull the strings no matter what official title he holds.

I've been struggling to work out why LD has spent so much time and energy on fan representation issues at a time when the club is in crisis mode (her words). The fan meeting on TDD was the starkest example of skewed priorities.

There are only two possible reasons IMO - either she ain't quite all she's cracked up to be, or someone else is setting her agenda.

You seem to find it surprising that a board would set the 'agenda' (I'd call it 'direction' or 'strategy') of a business/CEO. I'm almost certain that one of Dempster's tasks upon taking over was to move the club towards closer ties with the support.

Like most people, individual tasks aren't an 'either that or this'. A CEO and their team can usually deal with more than one thing at a time.

[HIBERNIAN-0762]

I find it astonishing that even someone with such a brass neck such as Rod has that he is still hanging around, what does he get out of being around ER ?.

Owns 10% of us, when I win the lottery I'm going to say "here! now eff off!"

:agree:

[silverhibee]

Do the other non-execs attend games?

I realise the situations aren't exactly the same, but I'm trying to tease out some facts here, rather than the usual.... :cb

Are any of these folk non-execs.

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/67/590x/SORRY-475326.jpg

[greenlex]

He attends every game, so yes he is, and by the looks on Leeann's face it looks like she wishes he wasn't.

Does he have to be at games. ?Maybe he's just a Hibs fan? Maybe he loves the club just like us?

[Kato]

I reckon we need to keep the faith with her, she has a clear vision of what she wants to achieve and I don't believe Petrie is any help.
Just remember it takes 6 months to build a Rolls Royce and 13 hours to build a Toyota.
Give her time.

Agreed. I'm a Hibs supporter first and foremost. Getting rid of petrie is pretty far down my priorities compared to that. Even once he's gone I'd still see LD, Stubbs, Holden, Doolan, Eddie May as pretty good calibre staff to be building something from.

[Billy Whizz]

Are any of these folk non-execs.

http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/67/590x/SORRY-475326.jpg

Bruce Lamgholm in the 1st row on the left is a non exec

[GreenCastle]

Are you doing this deliberately? What bit of my answer don't you understand?

I want to know what the point of him still being involved is ?

I'm interested as he is still attending and at certain meetings / working with Farmer - so what actually does he now do for Hibs ?

[Peevemor]

I want to know what the point of him still being involved is ?

I'm interested as he is still attending and at certain meetings / working with Farmer - so what actually does he now do for Hibs ?

Use your imagination. LD has already said that Hibs have budgeted to run at a loss this season, so where's the extra money coming from (here's a clue - it's not the bank! )?

[bingo70]

Use your imagination. LD has already said that Hibs have budgeted to run at a loss this season, so where's the extra money coming from (here's a clue - it's not the bank! )?

Will we not just go further into debt?

Genuine question by the way, I know nothing about the financial structure at the club

[Peevemor]

Will we not just go further into debt?

Genuine question by the way, I know nothing about the financial structure at the club

In debt to who? In any case this can't happen without the board's approval, probably on the recommendation of the chairman after consultation with the major shareholder. Running at a loss effectively lowers the paper value of the club, yet people complain about STF not putting his hand in his pocket and his wanting his own representative on the board?

We can moan about the price of STs , merchandise, Hibs TV, etc., but there's one person that it's costing more than anyone.

[Salisbury Hibby]

Will we not just go further into debt?

Genuine question by the way, I know nothing about the financial structure at the club
You need to payout real money. Either from deposits or by calling on a credit facility - which I guess is STF.

[southsider]

Will we not just go further into debt?

Genuine question by the way, I know nothing about the financial structure at the club
The cut backs in Scottish Football loans by the major banks make further credit unlikely, i am led to believe.

[bingo70]

In debt to who? In any case this can't happen without the board's approval, probably on the recommendation of the chairman after consultation with the major shareholder. Running at a loss effectively lowers the paper value of the club, yet people complain about STF not putting his hand in his pocket and his wanting his own representative on the board?

We can moan about the price of STs ', merchandise, Hibs TV, etc., but there's one person that it's costing more than anyone.

Makes his decision to stick by petrie all the more bizarre when it's clearly not a successful business he's running. (I've deliberately called it a business as that's how farmer and petrie appear to see us)

[Salisbury Hibby]

For any Yams looking in, running at a loss in a financial year is not cheating as long as those losses are sustainable I.e. paid from cash at bank or a properly serviced line of credit.

[silverhibee]

Maybe he's just a Hibs fan? Maybe he loves the club just like us?

I doubt that very much, lets put it this way when he does serve all ties with our club and moves to his cushy job at the SFA do you honestly think he will come back to ER to support Hibs. No chance.

[Jonnyboy]

One irony in all of this is that the louder folk shout at STF to get RP away from Hibs the longer RP is likely to stay. STF will see it as folk trying to bully him and he wont bend to that

[scoopyboy]

I doubt that very much, lets put it this way when he does serve all ties with our club and moves to his cushy job at the SFA do you honestly think he will come back to ER to support Hibs. No chance.

I think that's the problem though Silv, my understanding is he needs the Hibs connection to get on the SFA gravy train.

If he quits Hibs tomorrow then his dream role with the SFA collapses.

[Lee]

I would prefer if Petrie wasn't involved in any capacity at hibs either but bottom line is I wouldn't really give a jot if hibs were winning on a regular basis.....it's as
simple as that, win games and get promoted = happier supporters.

If Rod, Leeann or anyone else for that matter want to see a change in mindset, it needs to happen on the pitch too if you want to convince the majority

[bingo70]

One irony in all of this is that the louder folk shout at STF to get RP away from Hibs the longer RP is likely to stay. STF will see it as folk trying to bully him and he wont bend to that

What do you suggest jonny?

[Jonnyboy]

What do you suggest jonny?

No idea :greengrin Just making a point :wink:

[silverhibee]

I think that's the problem though Silv, my understanding is he needs the Hibs connection to get on the SFA gravy train.

If he quits Hibs tomorrow then his dream role with the SFA collapses.

Think i understand that Scoops :greengrin but once he is on the SFA gravy train does he still need to be part of a Scottish club or does he just go full time with SFA and have no connection with Hibs.

Can only hope the job at the SFA comes up pretty soon or things could start to get nasty at Hibs.

[silverhibee]

No idea :greengrin Just making a point :wink:

A point isn't good enough, we need three. :greengrin

[Jonnyboy]

A point isn't good enough, we need three. :greengrin

I thought one was the new three at ER? :greengrin

[blackpoolhibs]

I think that's the problem though Silv, my understanding is he needs the Hibs connection to get on the SFA gravy train.

If he quits Hibs tomorrow then his dream role with the SFA collapses.


I'm struggling to see why the SFA would want him in any role? :confused:

[scoopyboy]

Think i understand that Scoops :greengrin but once he is on the SFA gravy train does he still need to be part of a Scottish club or does he just go full time with SFA and have no connection with Hibs.

Can only hope the job at the SFA comes up pretty soon or things could start to get nasty at Hibs.

I think he would still need a club, maybe he could negotiate a large transfer fee for his services as a farewell gift.

[Pretty Boy]

I'm struggling to see why the SFA would want him in any role? :confused:

The powers that be in Scottish football seem to have a thing for Chairmen who oversee Hibs being relegated.

Just ask Lex Gold.

[hhibs]

I think he would still need a club, maybe he could negotiate a large transfer fee for his services as a farewell gift.

Maybe to Spartans given our partnership with them ?Good though it would be for us it would be tough on them ,or would it?

[FranckSuzy]

The powers that be in Scottish football seem to have a thing for Chairmen who oversee Hibs being relegated.

Just ask Lex Gold.

At least he was as good as his word and resigned, IIRC.

[blackpoolhibs]

At least he was as good as his word and resigned, IIRC.

At least he had a spine. :agree::agree:

[GreenCastle]

Use your imagination. LD has already said that Hibs have budgeted to run at a loss this season, so where's the extra money coming from (here's a clue - it's not the bank! )?

You still haven't answered my question.

What actually does he do now ?

I don't want to use my imagination I just want a simple answer.

[JBloggs1875]

I'd like Leeann to explain what Hamilton are doing that a club as big as Hibs seems unable to have done for many years. Product on the park is king!


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[greenpaper55]

In debt to who? In any case this can't happen without the board's approval, probably on the recommendation of the chairman after consultation with the major shareholder. Running at a loss effectively lowers the paper value of the club, yet people complain about STF not putting his hand in his pocket and his wanting his own representative on the board?

We can moan about the price of STs , merchandise, Hibs TV, etc., but there's one person that it's costing more than anyone.

Running a losing football club lowers the paper value of the club even more ! surely a winning football team is the reason for us existing ?.

[JBloggs1875]

Running a losing football club lowers the paper value of the club even more ! surely a winning football team is the reason for us existing ?.

It's the only reason in my opinion, no one takes part to lose..


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[Brightside]

I'd like Leeann to explain what Hamilton are doing that a club as big as Hibs seems unable to have done for many years. Product on the park is king!


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A fantastic coaching structure from grass roots to first team. Some thing that had been massively lacking at Hibs for years. Out scouts are just guys that fancy free tickets for the games on weekends. Again this is something LD has pointed out and is fixing.

[Mibbes Aye]

Think i understand that Scoops :greengrin but once he is on the SFA gravy train does he still need to be part of a Scottish club or does he just go full time with SFA and have no connection with Hibs.

Can only hope the job at the SFA comes up pretty soon or things could start to get nasty at Hibs.

This is the bit that confuses me.

He's already well in at the SFA.

He's vice-president on the Main Board and chairs the Professional Game Board.

It's hard to see how he could be any further established, yet folk still talk about him using Hibs to hang about waiting on a job at the SFA.

He's been at the SFA for years FFS

If folk want to criticise him, that's fair enough, but it would count for more if it was based on fact rather than something made-up that gets passed from post to post and eventually becomes .Net fact :rolleyes:

[Just Alf]

This is the bit that confuses me.

He's already well in at the SFA.

He's vice-president on the Main Board and chairs the Professional Game Board.

It's hard to see how he could be any further established, yet folk still talk about him using Hibs to hang about waiting on a job at the SFA.

He's been at the SFA for years FFS

If folk want to criticise him, that's fair enough, but it would count for more if it was based on fact rather than something made-up that gets passed from post to post and eventually becomes .Net fact :rolleyes:

I thought I read that he needs the Hibs (or technically, any SFA member team) link to actually have those roles.... leaves Hibs, he leaves that as well? :dunno:

[Mibbes Aye]

I thought I read that he needs the Hibs (or technically, any SFA member team) link to actually have those roles.... leaves Hibs, he leaves that as well? :dunno:

I'm not convinced that's true - the SFA is a membership-based organisation and it's reasonable to assume you need the live connection to a member club to serve, but the other vice-president doesn't have that and neither does the non-exec director, the president or the chief exec.

I think this might be the all-time classic .Net 'fact'.

And it still doesn't explain why folk post that he hangs around in order to get a cushy job at the SFA when he's been with them for years, in pretty powerful positions. He chairs the PGB and is on the Main Board, and is the only active representative of a senior club there. I don't think he could be in a more powerful position - for example, to assume the presidency I think he would have to relinquish the chairmanship at Hibs to satisfy there wasn't a conflict of interest (which raises the question as to why that's not an issue for a Main Board member admittedly).

Happy to be corrected on this but it does suggest that those folk who posted about him staying on at Hibs for an SFA post were talking pish.

They know who they were, maybe they will come back and refute this post........

[silverhibee]

This is the bit that confuses me.

He's already well in at the SFA.

He's vice-president on the Main Board and chairs the Professional Game Board.

It's hard to see how he could be any further established, yet folk still talk about him using Hibs to hang about waiting on a job at the SFA.

He's been at the SFA for years FFS

If folk want to criticise him, that's fair enough, but it would count for more if it was based on fact rather than something made-up that gets passed from post to post and eventually becomes .Net fact :rolleyes:

Is it a full time job he has at the SFA. ?

[Peevemor]

You still haven't answered my question.

What actually does he do now ?

I don't want to use my imagination I just want a simple answer.

You'd obviously prefer to carry on moaning instead of trying to understand.


Running a losing football club lowers the paper value of the club even more ! surely a winning football team is the reason for us existing ?.

Which is why Leeann Dempster was head hunted and appointed.

[Peevemor]

I'm not convinced that's true - the SFA is a membership-based organisation and it's reasonable to assume you need the live connection to a member club to serve, but the other vice-president doesn't have that and neither does the non-exec director, the president or the chief exec.

I think this might be the all-time classic .Net 'fact'.

And it still doesn't explain why folk post that he hangs around in order to get a cushy job at the SFA when he's been with them for years, in pretty powerful positions. He chairs the PGB and is on the Main Board, and is the only active representative of a senior club there. I don't think he could be in a more powerful position - for example, to assume the presidency I think he would have to relinquish the chairmanship at Hibs to satisfy there wasn't a conflict of interest (which raises the question as to why that's not an issue for a Main Board member admittedly).

Happy to be corrected on this but it does suggest that those folk who posted about him staying on at Hibs for an SFA post were talking pish.

They know who they were, maybe they will come back and refute this post........

Yup. The SFA stuff is just another anti Petrie myth that's become a .net fact IMO.

I think he probably sees his involvement in the SFA hierarchy as beneficial for Hibs. Better being on the inside pissing out and all that. Again that's just my opinion.

[silverhibee]

I thought one was the new three at ER? :greengrin

As long as the one doesn't become the new 0 :greengrin

[Peevemor]

At least he was as good as his word and resigned, IIRC.


At least he had a spine. :agree::agree:

I could be mistaken, but my recollection is that since Hibs had been relegated he had to choose between between his role at Hibs or at the (then) newly formed SPL. Gold's involvement with a Scottish League club would have represented a clash of interests.
So we were relegated and he shot the crow. Hardly shows 'spine' IMO.

[Mibbes Aye]

Is it a full time job he has at the SFA. ?

I would doubt it.

[Deansy]

I'm struggling to see why the SFA would want him in any role? :confused:


Taking into account the SFA's .... ehm .... 'reputation/standards/past-decisions' etc - they'll see Petrie as the perfect-fit for them !

[Mibbes Aye]

Yup. The SFA stuff is just another anti Petrie myth that's become a .net fact IMO.

I think he probably sees his involvement in the SFA hierarchy as beneficial for Hibs. Better being on the inside pissing out and all that. Again that's just my opinion.

I would agree with that.

His view of what's in Hibs' interest will no doubt differ to some degree from any of the rest of us.

Having said that he has a perspective that none of us do and some folk need to accept that, however much they might not like to.

Regardless, the fact that a senior Hibs official is at the heart of the SFA has to be helpful. It makes no sense to suggest otherwise.

[silverhibee]

I would doubt it.

And that is what i think he wants, a full time job with the SFA but until a job comes up for him he has to stay at Hibs so that he has a club membership, does he still have to need that if he gets a full time gig at the SFA or can he cut all ties with Hibs once he gets a full time job at SFA.

[silverhibee]

Do Reagan Ogilvie or Doncaster have any connection to a Scottish league club.

[Ronniekirk]

Yup. The SFA stuff is just another anti Petrie myth that's become a .net fact IMO.

I think he probably sees his involvement in the SFA hierarchy as beneficial for Hibs. Better being on the inside pissing out and all that. Again that's just my opinion.

Just your opinion and other folk think different .Only time will tell on this one . I oscillate on this one am not sure if Petrie is hanging on for role at S F A. Or if he is just hanging on full stop .

[Mibbes Aye]

And that is what i think he wants, a full time job with the SFA but until a job comes up for him he has to stay at Hibs so that he has a club membership, does he still have to need that if he gets a full time gig at the SFA or can he cut all ties with Hibs once he gets a full time job at SFA.

Are any of the Board positions at the SFA full-time?

I suspect only the Chief Exec is a full-time paid position.

For someone like Petrie, he's not going to be after the CEx post realistically and he can take up any of the other posts, but he's already in a significant position of power.

This whole SFA thing is busted. Myth, just like the car park money and the ownership of East Mains.

[Mibbes Aye]

Just your opinion and other folk think different .Only time will tell on this one . I oscillate on this one am not sure if Petrie is hanging on for role at S F A. Or if he is just hanging on full stop .

He's been at the SFA for years and has massive influence - he's not hanging on for a role and he doesn't need Hibs to get one.

There's a few folk who've banged this drum who should show some balls and apologise for getting it wrong, misleading other posters and
maligning someone wrongly.

IMO :greengrin

[Mibbes Aye]

Do Reagan Ogilvie or Doncaster have any connection to a Scottish league club.

Short answer is no.

Doncaster is SPFL, not SFA.

Regan has never had a connection AFAIK and Ogilvie relinquished his connection when he became President of SFA.

[Mibbes Aye]

Just on that note, I've lost count of how many posters came on here and said Petrie is lingering at Hibs in order to keep or ensure a SFA post.

You may have thought you were right but you obviously didn't take the time to check it out properly as it's not true.

What you have done is feed into the negativity and talking down of our club. Thanks for that.

You'll know if it was you - is it fair that you come on here and acknowledge your post and that you were wrong? Not looking for apologies, just folk manning up and taking responsibility for what they post in what's supposed to be a forum of Hibs supporters.......

is that fair enough?

[HibbiesandtheBaddies]

I could be mistaken, but my recollection is that since Hibs had been relegated he had to choose between between his role at Hibs or at the (then) newly formed SPL. Gold's involvement with a Scottish League club would have represented a clash of interests.
So we were relegated and he shot the crow. Hardly shows 'spine' IMO.

So when Rod gets his gig at the SFA we'll be rid of him?