#hibileaks/Hands On Hibs/BuyHibs (Merged)

[Andy74]

True, but they would probably ask some very difficult questions of a chairman and chief exec who put in place a strategy that was leading to decline in all of the key areas of the business, over a medium term period.

True but we don't really know what questions or discussions have taken place in that respect.

[grunt]

True, but they would probably ask some very difficult questions of a chairman and chief exec ...
Well the questions they've asked so far haven't been very difficult. More daft than difficult.

[Andy74]

This maybe needs a new thread

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/latest/hibernian-fans-to-launch-community-ownership-bid-1-3600325

The club survey suggested it wasn't a priority for most people though. I've no interest in owning the club or paying a monthly fee towards it. Suspect most will be the same. We don't have the same need for it as hearts who despite the wording in this article aren't owned by fans either just now.

[blackpoolhibs]

True but we don't really know what questions or discussions have taken place in that respect.

The questions may well have been asked, but they sure as hell have not been answered with actions to put things right?

LD coming in could be the start of something good at Hibs, but until such times as were are competing at the right end of the top league in Scotland, i certainly won't be getting carried away about wins against ANYONE in this league.

The decline of our club has not been an overnight thing, and questions should have been asked many many times, but when the supporters asked the very questions we all wanted answers to, STF gave us the answer.

He wished he had 100 Petries, the very man he put in charge who was running the club on his behalf during this decline.

So forgive me Andy for not giving a toss about any question STF may have asked, as he's been far too stubborn to get rid of the very man who took us to where we currently are.

[Ronniekirk]

The club survey suggested it wasn't a priority for most people though. I've no interest in owning the club or paying a monthly fee towards it. Suspect most will be the same. We don't have the same need for it as hearts who despite the wording in this article aren't owned by fans either just now.
Sir Tom isn't going to be around forever and at some point the issue of succession has to be addressed . If there is to be an AGM at some point in next few months it would be goog to hear him directly give us ,the Fans ,his view on how he sees things developing ,as at present we have different groups looking supposedly to buy him out on back of Petrie Out rally .Reports then get released in Media that Sir Tom is in no Hurray to sell and suitors are rebuked .

Any new attempt at buying him out surely has to start with some dialogue with Sir Tom indicating he is open to that idea or will it not become another side show ,circus media frenzy at a point when as a Club we finally look like we are turning a corner and finally going in the right Direction from the change instituted by Leeann .
Would happily fork out a one off lump sum to buy shares as I have done in the past but any monthly contribution is not for me as it would be at the expense of contributing to other projects that already benefit the club ,like Leith Links .and the Hibernians . Most ordinary Fans have a limit to what they can put in .
But there is clearly appetite for change in some quarters ,and Petrie remains a devisive figure , but we need clarity and details and open dialogue with key people .

If current new plan is just being fronted by ex players as a way of flying a kite to see what current interest in paying a monthly amount from fans might be ,in an attempt to put pressure on Sir Tom then it may not be best way to get the positive change we want .

But the issues aren't going to go away ,so looks like we may have to see what happens with this new development .

[CropleyWasGod]

At the meeting on 5th November 2014 the Chairman, Chief Executive and representatives of the football club's board requested Hands On Hibs halt our activities directly aimed at the majority shareholder, Tom Farmer. They assured us the Board was on the verge of publishing proposals for the future which would address our campaigns twin objectives. Namely, Hibernian FC future secured at Easter Road and that the club and stadium be moved into community ownership.

The board promised that these proposals, which we were told they had been working on for many months, would be published speedily and discussed at the club's AGM which the Chairman and Chief Executive both said would happen before Christmas. This was crucial as it allowed fans to consider the Board's proposals & respond. It also ensured these plans were not just another diversion but would have the support for community ownership endorsed, publicly, by Tom Farmer at the AGM. The commitment for this to happen before Christmas was mutually agreed and crucial.

Hands On Hibs, after discussion with our activists, not only agreed to temporarily halt our activities directed at the Club's owner but we went further. We agreed to work with the board to create a positive backdrop for their announcement. We agreed to work with the club on positive initiatives, like a foodbank collection, to move the club back to the centre of the community.

Hands On Hibs have kept our side of the agreement. The Board have not.

When Hands On Hibs announced our plans for the foodbank collection, in association with the Trussell Trust, we asked the Board to support this positive initiative as it was clearly within the terms of our agreement. Instead we discovered they had secretly arranged a meeting with the Trussell Trust (a meeting the club's Chief executive failed to turn up for) in order to organise an alternative foodbank collection on the same day as our supporters initiative. After admitting they did not have the skills or imagination to make that happen they abandoned these plans and told the Trussell Trust they would return to the matter in 2015!

Although disappointed that the Board had acted in bad faith, HOH contacted the club again asking them to back the foodbank collection. Last week they finally agreed to do this and committed themselves to using their website, social media etc to promote the collection. However as of today they have still not done anything. And this morning we find them using their PR department to advertise corporate dinners inside Easter Road at the same time as fans will holding a foodbank collection outside.

We have no problem with the club selling corporate packages but this PR decision clearly demonstrates what is wrong with Hibernian. Rather than help a supporters initiative in aid of people with nothing the club see everything as an opportunity to take more money from the fans. And despite the clubs origins they show scant interest in putting anything back into the community.

The most serious breach of trust has been the Board's failure to honour their commitment to publish their proposals for Hibernian's future. Hands On Hibs kept our word. We halted our campaign of direct action. We worked to create a positive backdrop for the board's proposals. The Board did not keep their word. More than a month has passed and still silence.

Hands On Hibs today demand the majority shareholder now intervenes. The Club must immediately publish the annual accounts, their much vaunted proposals for the future and call an AGM. The strategic drift, information vacuum and apathy at Hibernian FC cannot continue.

Hands On Hibs thank our activists for their patience, discipline and hard work. HOH restate our independent position. We are not involved with any group or consortium seeking control of Hibs. HOH are not interest in a role at the football club. We only want change for the better at Hibernian. Now is time for all Hibs fans to unite and force change.

Support The Team Not The Board!

Support The Foodbank Collection This Saturday!

[jacomo]

Well well well.

I won't comment on the food bank stuff because I don't know about the ins and outs of that.

But I am intrigued by mention of the Board's 'proposals'. What are they, and should they really have been chatting about them in this context?

None of this is helping fans feel a sense of connection with the club, with arguing over the need for imminent change vs 'STF is going nowhere!'

I feel more and more that Hearts have a sense of unity and purpose about them this season which is being reflected on the pitch. We don't.

[emerald green]

Either the board, majority shareholder, or the club's Chief Executive must make an urgent response to the issues raised in the OP.

[happiehibbie]

is there several points for the collection of food ?

great Idea on the food banks

[Peevemor]

Hope this isn't another LD OG!

[JimBHibees]

Hope this isn't another LD OG!

Another ?

[Pretty Boy]

I knew nothing about a foodbank collection on Saturday.

Seems a good idea this close to Christmas on the face of it and surprised Hibs weren't keen to get on board with it (if the story above is true of course)

[CropleyWasGod]

I knew nothing about a foodbank collection on Saturday.

Seems a good idea this close to Christmas on the face of it and surprised Hibs weren't keen to get on board with it (if the story above is true of course)

HoH have publicised it on their own Twitter and FB. However, for obvious reasons, that doesn't have as wide an exposure as the Club have.

[Golden Bear]

Well well well.

I won't comment on the food bank stuff because I don't know about the ins and outs of that.

But I am intrigued by mention of the Board's 'proposals'. What are they, and should they really have been chatting about them in this context?

None of this is helping fans feel a sense of connection with the club, with arguing over the need for imminent change vs 'STF is going nowhere!'

I feel more and more that Hearts have a sense of unity and purpose about them this season which is being reflected on the pitch. We don't.

:agree:

If there is another side of this story then let's hear it please.

[Weststandwanab]

Either the board, majority shareholder, or the club's Chief Executive must make an urgent response to the issues raised in the OP.

Tenner says that won't happen anytime soon.

Well done to CWG for posting.

[bingo70]

I knew nothing about a foodbank collection on Saturday.

Seems a good idea this close to Christmas on the face of it and surprised Hibs weren't keen to get on board with it (if the story above is true of course)

Typical of the club to only communicate with us when they want money though.

Can completely believe the food bank stuff. Be interested to see the club's response. Its half season ticket time so I imagine they'll want to say something to us.

[Peevemor]

Another ?

She already admitted to a couple when she posted on here (physically removing ST holders' seats was one).

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

She already admitted to a couple when she posted on here (physically removing ST holders' seats was one).

The silence from her on here has been deafening since her wee tantrum.

[superfurryhibby]

An unusual development. If STF really does plan on the kind of action indicated here then this would explain the delay in AGM? Have to say, it's totally bewildering for me. The whole situation is screaming out for clarity.

I like the food bank idea. Good to link the club to community. Shame it seems to have gone a but astray but well done HoH for taking the initiative.

[CropleyWasGod]

This bit:-

At the meeting on 5th November 2014 the Chairman, Chief Executive and representatives of the football club's board requested Hands On Hibs halt our activities directly aimed at the majority shareholder, Tom Farmer.

Given their latest statement, does this mean that they will now reclaim the moral high ground and re-commence their "activities"?

Or will the fear of legal action prevent that? :cb

[marinello59]

The silence from her on here has been deafening since her wee tantrum.

Wee tantrum? Really?
It was quite clear from her post on here that she wouldn't be posting again. Probably a wise move.

[Golden Bear]

She already admitted to a couple when she posted on here (physically removing ST holders' seats was one).

That certainly was an own goal but not directly of her making. She's still relatively new to the job but I'd imagine by now she'll be aware of whom she can delegate responsibilities and be confident of the outcomes.

[Peevemor]

That certainly was an own goal but not directly of her making. She's still relatively new to the job but I'd imagine by now she'll be aware of whom she can delegate responsibilities and be confident of the outcomes.

Fair enough, but she's been quick enough to say that she has total control over the day to day running of the club. If someone screwed up after being delegated to do something, unfortunately for LD the buck still stops with her.

[silverhibee]

This bit:-

At the meeting on 5th November 2014 the Chairman, Chief Executive and representatives of the football club's board requested Hands On Hibs halt our activities directly aimed at the majority shareholder, Tom Farmer.

Given their latest statement, does this mean that they will now reclaim the moral high ground and re-commence their "activities"?

Or will the fear of legal action prevent that? :cb

You have constantly said the longer it takes for the club to hold the AGM the more the conspiracies stories will grow and grow.

What are your thoughts on the hold up for the AGM taking place.

As for HOH, i get the impression they will be out in force this weekend.

[CropleyWasGod]

You have constantly said the longer it takes for the club to hold the AGM the more the conspiracies stories will grow and grow.

What are your thoughts on the hold up for the AGM taking place.

Pretty sure it's to do with the Club wanting to announce their own plans for the future, and making sure that they have it right. The robust questioning that BH have had on here may well informed those plans, as it should, which may have caused a further delay.

Other than that, I've no reason to think it's anything sinister.

[silverhibee]

Wee tantrum? Really?
It was quite clear from her post on here that she wouldn't be posting again. Probably a wise move.

Was that thread deleted, tried to search it but couldn't find anything.

I thought she was going to communicate with fans through Hibs MBs. :confused:

[marinello59]

Was that thread deleted, tried to search it but couldn't find anything.

Don't think so. :confused:

[Tyler Durden]

I'm not sure why anyone would give HOH the benefit of the doubt over the club. I don't recall the club ever making any statement regarding their meeting?

I find it hard to believe HOH were given assurances that the AGM would happen pre Xmas. The club will have valid reasons for the delay and there's no reason to jump to negative conclusions.

As for the foodbank point, Hibs have another charity event this weekend I think, some Santa bus in the car park. Is a food collection on a match day a good idea anyway? I'm not convinced

[jacomo]

Fair enough, but she's been quick enough to say that she has total control over the day to day running of the club. If someone screwed up after being delegated to do something, unfortunately for LD the buck still stops with her.

:agree:

Goes with the territory of being boss.

[silverhibee]

Fair enough, but she's been quick enough to say that she has total control over the day to day running of the club. If someone screwed up after being delegated to do something, unfortunately for LD the buck still stops with her.

I'm shocked. :greengrin

[silverhibee]

Don't think so. :confused:

Nope, can't find it.

[Mikey]

Nope, can't find it.

Keep looking :greengrin

[Mr White]

Nope, can't find it.

http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?291307-From-Leeann

[oconnors_strip]

I knew nothing about a foodbank collection on Saturday.

Seems a good idea this close to Christmas on the face of it and surprised Hibs weren't keen to get on board with it (if the story above is true of course)

https://twitter.com/handsonhibs/status/540176123678982144

[silverhibee]

Found it. :greengrin

[silverhibee]

Wee tantrum? Really?
It was quite clear from her post on here that she wouldn't be posting again. Probably a wise move.

Now that i have read her statement/tantrum again, :greengrin she doesn't say anything about not posting again on here, she said she wouldn't be constantly on this MB.

Thought it was all about bettering the communication with fans, no better way to do it by communicating with fans on Hibs MBs.

She has been pretty quiet since her last statement.

[emerald green]

I knew nothing about a foodbank collection on Saturday.

Seems a good idea this close to Christmas on the face of it and surprised Hibs weren't keen to get on board with it (if the story above is true of course)


HoH have publicised it on their own Twitter and FB. However, for obvious reasons, that doesn't have as wide an exposure as the Club have.

I seem to recall being handed a card outside ER, several weeks ago I think, by HOH publicising the proposed collection for foodbanks in Edinburgh before the match with Alloa.

Am I correct thinking that?

[Pretty Boy]

I seem to recall being handed a card outside ER, several weeks ago I think, by HOH publicising the proposed collection for foodbanks in Edinburgh before the match with Alloa.

Am I correct thinking that?

Tbh I turned down the last card they handed out because of what had been on the previous one to that. Now I know about it I'll contribute something.

It's a bit disappointing the club didn't get behind this/tried to take it on themselves and it fell through when it would have been a great chance to demonstrate they were keen to work with groups of fans. Again that is obviously based on the story above being accurate.

[Chuck Rhoades]

Will reserve judgement and wait for Hibs to comment, assuming they do. If accurate, it could be a wake up call for some on here.

What are the Foodbank Collections details? Where about will this be? Apologies if I've missed it.

[emerald green]

Tbh I turned down the last card they handed out because of what had been on the previous one to that. Now I know about it I'll contribute something.

It's a bit disappointing the club didn't get behind this/tried to take it on themselves and it fell through when it would have been a great chance to demonstrate they were keen to work with groups of fans. Again that is obviously based on the story above being accurate.

:agree: When I read the card I was handed at the time I just thought that sounds like a good idea, and then binned the card later.

Maybe my memory is getting worse but I don't really remember these cards, at the time they were being handed out, being debated much if at all on this forum. I might have missed it maybe?

[blackpoolhibs]

When this lot burst onto the scene, it was all bull**** and lies. I'd guess this is more of the same.

[bingo70]

When this lot burst onto the scene, it was all bull**** and lies. I'd guess this is more of the same.

They've certainly been promoting a food bank collection.

Sort of little gesture that would have been nice for the club to do. Hope it still goes ahead and this doesn't stop the club promoting it.

[marinello59]

Now that i have read her statement/tantrum again, :greengrin she doesn't say anything about not posting again on here, she said she wouldn't be constantly on this MB.

Thought it was all about bettering the communication with fans, no better way to do it by communicating with fans on Hibs MBs.

She has been pretty quiet since her last statement.

I've just read it again and I still reckon I was right.:greengrin
She'll probably post later and leave me looking stupid. In fact I'd put money on it.

[blackpoolhibs]

They've certainly been promoting a food bank collection.

Sort of little gesture that would have been nice for the club to do. Hope it still goes ahead and this doesn't stop the club promoting it.

Not really bothered what hibileaks are up to, i will wait and hear what the club say if anything on the matter. If i'm honest, i dont really care if the club are doing this or not, they have a bit more to think about at the moment in my opinion.

[worcesterhibby]

Im afraid the food bank thing reeks of the moral high ground.

"We want what's best for Hibs and we demand that what's best for Hibs happens and that the lying cheating owner gives the club to the community..sort of..but also makes sure it has lots of cash and that we win the league, without him in charge..sort of, but we don't want to be in charge..we just want someone else, who we don't really know who they are in charge. But whoever they are they better be good or we will be very cross ! Oh and we give food to the poor so we must be nice."

That's probably a bit harsh..but to me that's the way the HOH groups comes across.

[blackpoolhibs]

Im afraid the food bank thing reeks of the moral high ground.

"We want what's best for Hibs and we demand that what's best for Hibs happens and that the lying cheating owner gives the club to the community..sort of..but also makes sure it has lots of cash and that we win the league, without him in charge..sort of, but we don't want to be in charge..we just want someone else, who we don't really know who they are in charge. But whoever they are they better be good or we will be very cross ! Oh and we give food to the poor so we must be nice."

That's probably a bit harsh..but to me that's the way the HOH groups comes across.

Its not up to hibileaks to decide who hibs make their priority charity, the club do a lot for charity's over the course of every season.

[ancient hibee]

STF and his wife support more charities than you could shake a stick at.HOH should just go ahead and do what they want to do.

[greenginger]

One sentence in the HoH statement

" And despite the Club's origins they show scant interest in putting ANYTHING back into the community. "

I take it HoH are unaware Hibs have been running a Community Trust for about 20 years , providing offices for the Homeless World Cup,
providing accommodation and support for the Hibernian Historical Trust, to name but a few.

[ancient hibee]

One sentence in the HoH statement

" And despite the Club's origins they show scant interest in putting ANYTHING back into the community. "

I take it HoH are unaware Hibs have been running a Community Trust for about 20 years , providing offices for the Homeless World Cup,
providing accommodation and support for the Hibernian Historical Trust, to name but a few.

If you're going to bring facts into the discussion I think you should leave the room.

[Jonnyboy]

I seem to recall being handed a card outside ER, several weeks ago I think, by HOH publicising the proposed collection for foodbanks in Edinburgh before the match with Alloa.

Am I correct thinking that?

:agree: I was also handed one

[Jack]

I'm not sure why anyone would give HOH the benefit of the doubt over the club. I don't recall the club ever making any statement regarding their meeting?

I find it hard to believe HOH were given assurances that the AGM would happen pre Xmas. The club will have valid reasons for the delay and there's no reason to jump to negative conclusions.

As for the foodbank point, Hibs have another charity event this weekend I think, some Santa bus in the car park. Is a food collection on a match day a good idea anyway? I'm not convinced


I seem to recall being handed a card outside ER, several weeks ago I think, by HOH publicising the proposed collection for foodbanks in Edinburgh before the match with Alloa.

Am I correct thinking that?

At the last WT meeting we were advised that there would be a food bank collection although no credit was given to HOH.

I have the HOH card from the last match which only mentioned the food bank.

Both were around the same time.

There's a WT meeting on Wednesday for anyone interested.

[marinello59]

One sentence in the HoH statement

" And despite the Club's origins they show scant interest in putting ANYTHING back into the community. "

I take it HoH are unaware Hibs have been running a Community Trust for about 20 years , providing offices for the Homeless World Cup,
providing accommodation and support for the Hibernian Historical Trust, to name but a few.

Unaware or don't care, it's all about claiming the moral high ground on this one.

[oconnors_strip]

Will reserve judgement and wait for Hibs to comment, assuming they do. If accurate, it could be a wake up call for some on here.

What are the Foodbank Collections details? Where about will this be? Apologies if I've missed it.

See my post with attachment of poster.

[GreenPJ]

If it helps get food to people who need it and are struggling to afford it I don't care about morale highground or how it would make me think of HoH proposal. Lets just support a decent initiative that doesn't mean to say you say yes to everything they do.

[blackpoolhibs]

If it helps get food to people who need it and are struggling to afford it I don't care about morale highground or how it would make me think of HoH proposal. Lets just support a decent initiative that doesn't mean to say you say yes to everything they do.

I dont think anyone is saying its a bad thing, but as others are saying this is all about hibileaks trying to take some sort of moral high ground when in reality they have no real morals at all.

[Loopz]

I knew nothing about a foodbank collection on Saturday.

Seems a good idea this close to Christmas on the face of it and surprised Hibs weren't keen to get on board with it (if the story above is true of course)
PB it was on the cards they handed out before QOS game. I took one and read it to challenge them on what I thought would be their latest nonsense. Instead I thought what a good idea and we should do stuff like that more often.

[DC_Hibs]

Great idea this and I hope the stewards have been briefed that some of us will be entering the stadium with cans, bottles and suchlike.

I've blown a fortune on Christmas presents and nights out so this Food bank is very timely.

Thanks to all concerned.

[oconnors_strip]

If people want to donate to a food bank scheme but don't want to be involved with the HoH link thn contact the Salvation Army or Google search charities in your local area

It's all going to the same place at the end of the day :flag:

[ACLeith]

North East Edinburgh Foodbank has been running for about 12 months in the Leith area. Google it to get to their site. One of the key people in getting it established is a ST holder, not that that really matters, just a wee snippet.

[silverhibee]

I've just read it again and I still reckon I was right.:greengrin
She'll probably post later and leave me looking stupid. In fact I'd put money on it.

Just except you were wrong :greengrin

"I won’t be on this board constantly and I won’t be replying to every angry tweet or every angry text or post"

Maybe if we post nicely she might post again soon, not holding my breath though :greengrin

[Jonnyboy]

Great idea this and I hope the stewards have been briefed that some of us will be entering the stadium with cans, bottles and suchlike.

I've blown a fortune on Christmas presents and nights out so this Food bank is very timely.

Thanks to all concerned.

D-C see post 784, I think the collection points are outside the stadium so shouldn't be a problem re the stewards

[DC_Hibs]

D-C see post 784, I think the collection points are outside the stadium so shouldn't be a problem re the stewards

Cheers Big John but I mean that I am looking to get myself a couple of bags of freebie groceries then watch the game.

[Jonnyboy]

Cheers Big John but I mean that I am looking to get myself a couple of bags of freebie groceries then watch the game.

Ah right, sorry. I misunderstood your post :aok:

[oconnors_strip]

Cheers Big John but I mean that I am looking to get myself a couple of bags of freebie groceries then watch the game.

Food banks don't work like that, these dare to donate food. If you want/need food you have you to go to the charities

[offshorehibby]

Why wait till a game of football to donate to foodbanks

http://edinburghne.foodbank.org.uk/

[Beefster]

Food banks don't work like that, these dare to donate food. If you want/need food you have you to go to the charities

I think he's trolling. Again.

[marti1875]

Food banks don't work like that, these dare to donate food. If you want/need food you have you to go to the charities

Ermmm...i think he's being sarcastic and joking!! :wink::greengrin

[oconnors_strip]

Ermmm...i think he's being sarcastic and joking!! :wink::greengrin

Ooops silly me!

Was also posting it for other people to know as it's not a subject lots of people are aware of

[kano]

Im afraid the food bank thing reeks of the moral high ground.

"We want what's best for Hibs and we demand that what's best for Hibs happens and that the lying cheating owner gives the club to the community..sort of..but also makes sure it has lots of cash and that we win the league, without him in charge..sort of, but we don't want to be in charge..we just want someone else, who we don't really know who they are in charge. But whoever they are they better be good or we will be very cross ! Oh and we give food to the poor so we must be nice."

That's probably a bit harsh..but to me that's the way the HOH groups comes across.


You should let the boys standing out in the cold on Saturday collecting Food for those less fortunate that's what you think of them.

[superfurryhibby]

Ermmm...i think he's being sarcastic and joking!! :wink::greengrin

Lowest form of humour :rolleyes:

[Jonnyboy]

Ooops silly me!

Was also posting it for other people to know as it's not a subject lots of people are aware of

Don't worry N, I thought he was being serious too. Shoulda known better though :greengrin

[bighairyfaeleith]

You should let the boys standing out in the cold on Saturday collecting Food for those less fortunate that's what you think of them.
He is right though, using foodbanks to justify there campaign Against farmer is wrong.

The foodbanks are a good idea, using them as a reason to restart a campaign of spreading lies about tom farmer is not.

[Alfred E Newman]

He is right though, using foodbanks to justify there campaign Against farmer is wrong.

The foodbanks are a good idea, using them as a reason to restart a campaign of spreading lies about tom farmer is not.

God help us if this lot ever get their hands on Hibs.

[jacomo]

He is right though, using foodbanks to justify there campaign Against farmer is wrong.

The foodbanks are a good idea, using them as a reason to restart a campaign of spreading lies about tom farmer is not.

And accusing STF of doing 'nothing' for the community is pure spite.

[Chuck Rhoades]

Who is Martin Hayman and what is his involvement in the future of East Mains?

[tamsonsbairn]

Who is Martin Hayman and what is his involvement in the future of East Mains?

i was going to post the very same question.:agree::rolleyes:

[DaveF]

Who is Martin Hayman and what is his involvement in the future of East Mains?

If it's this one then he's a fund raising 'consultant'

https://www.linkedin.com/pub/martin-hayman/9/620/a71

Was also at the Liberal Democrats so must love a lost cause :greengrin

[schinkenotto]

One sentence in the HoH statement

" And despite the Club's origins they show scant interest in putting ANYTHING back into the community. "

I take it HoH are unaware Hibs have been running a Community Trust for about 20 years , providing offices for the Homeless World Cup,
providing accommodation and support for the Hibernian Historical Trust, to name but a few.

100% correct!In addition I know from personal experience that STF contributes to a significant number of charities most notably Prostate Scotland as does his wife to charities to benefit the elderly.These people are either totally ignorant or conducting spiteful and petty personal vendettas.If they and/or Buyhibs get anywhere near control of our Club,I'll never return to Easter Road after 54 years of holding a Season Ticket.

[Kaiser1962]

One sentence in the HoH statement

" And despite the Club's origins they show scant interest in putting ANYTHING back into the community. "

I take it HoH are unaware Hibs have been running a Community Trust for about 20 years , providing offices for the Homeless World Cup,
providing accommodation and support for the Hibernian Historical Trust, to name but a few.

:agree:


100% correct!In addition I know from personal experience that STF contributes to a significant number of charities most notably Prostate Scotland as does his wife to charities to benefit the elderly.These people are either totally ignorant or conducting spiteful and petty personal vendettas.If they and/or Buyhibs get anywhere near control of our Club,I'll never return to Easter Road after 54 years of holding a Season Ticket.

They are not ignorant, they know exactly what they are doing. They are preying on the ignorant and the clinically stupid.

[Ronniekirk]

And accusing STF of doing 'nothing' for the community is pure spite.

They are now alienating supporters that may still have had an open mind about them .They really now should accept they are going about this in the wrong manner I am surprised someone of Pat Stanton's stature continues to support them Thier Dirty Tricks campaign is flawed and whoever is advising them on this has taken the wrong tact .

[Mr White]

They are now alienating supporters that may still have had an open mind about them .They really now should accept they are going about this in the wrong manner I am surprised someone of Pat Stanton's stature continues to support them Thier Dirty Tricks campaign is flawed and whoever is advising them on this has taken the wrong tact .
This is hands on hibs ronnie, pat stanton has nothing to do with them. He is, or at least was involved with buy hibs, though he hasn't said much about it since the launch last month.

[ancient hibee]

Anyone would think that there weren't foodbank reception areas all over Leith.

[CropleyWasGod]

Anyone would think that there weren't foodbank reception areas all over Leith.

TBF, a gathering of a few thousand people doesn't happen very often in Leith, so it makes a lot of sense.

[bighairyfaeleith]

tbf, a gathering of a few thousand people doesn't happen very often in leith, so it makes a lot of sense.

boots, kirkgate, giro day?

[superfurryhibby]

Anyone would think that there weren't foodbank reception areas all over Leith.

And that says it all in terms of where we are as a society right now. Rolling back the years in terms of poverty and deprivation.

[ACLeith]

And that says it all in terms of where we are as a society right now. Rolling back the years in terms of poverty and deprivation.
100% agree. The support that the NE Edinburgh foodbank gets when it holds collections at places like Tesco in Leith and Asda is simply phenomenal and shows how much people care. But it’s OK, Osborne says the economy is in good shape, the bad news is he was thinking of George Foulkes when he said it. :brickwall.

But foodbanks are merely putting a sticking plaster on the problem of a gaping wound, it will take major surgery to even begin to tackle the core issues, just as you have highlighted SFH.

[jdships]

100% correct!In addition I know from personal experience that STF contributes to a significant number of charities most notably Prostate Scotland as does his wife to charities to benefit the elderly.These people are either totally ignorant or conducting spiteful and petty personal vendettas.If they and/or Buyhibs get anywhere near control of our Club,I'll never return to Easter Road after 54 years of holding a Season Ticket.

:agree::top marks

[ancient hibee]

What are the latest stats? 70% obese 40% hungry-something wrong.

[bighairyfaeleith]

What are the latest stats? 70% obese 40% hungry-something wrong.
I agree let's feed the fatties to the starving

[Leithenhibby]

100% agree. The support that the NE Edinburgh foodbank gets when it holds collections at places like Tesco in Leith and Asda is simply phenomenal and shows how much people care. But it’s OK, Osborne says the economy is in good shape, the bad news is he was thinking of George Foulkes when he said it. :brickwall.

But foodbanks are merely putting a sticking plaster on the problem of a gaping wound, it will take major surgery to even begin to tackle the core issues, just as you have highlighted SFH.

:agree: :top marks Well said Mr.........


I agree let's feed the fatties to the starving

:greengrin haha

[southsider]

We would have went a long way to helping fix this by voting YES......

[greenpaper55]

We would have went a long way to helping fix this by voting YES......

How do you work that out, the oil fund maybe !.

[lucky]

We would have went a long way to helping fix this by voting YES......

Now that's a big claim, poverty would not have been eradicated with independence. Going by some the comments on the Living Wage thread many Hibs fans support paying as little as possible to staff. So I doubt that many would agree food banks would not been needed in a country basing its future on declining oil revenues and cuts in corporation tax

[CropleyWasGod]

Time to give HoH some credit... :cb

Hands On Hibs also appreciates all the assistance we have received from the Board and the staff at the football club over the last few days. This is a great example of the Hibernian community coming together.

Methinks they have had their erse well and truly skelped.. :greengrin

[Andy74]

Holyrood gym retweeted by BuyHibs Director Andrew Sibley both seem happy enough tweeting about Sir Tom stealing the stadium.

[Peevemor]

Holyrood gym retweeted by BuyHibs Director Andrew Sibley both seem happy enough tweeting about Sir Tom stealing the stadium.

I don't understand how he can steal something that a company he owns bought, reconstructed and paid for.

[blackpoolhibs]

Holyrood gym retweeted by BuyHibs Director Andrew Sibley both seem happy enough tweeting about Sir Tom stealing the stadium.

Does anyone take any of these people seriously anymore, i know i don't?

[Peevemor]

Does anyone take any of these people seriously anymore, i know i don't?

Nor do I.

[bigwheel]

Does anyone take any of these people seriously anymore, i know i don't?

lack of professionalism has embarrassed the cause of both these organisations ...they will never get the fans base behind them - too political and almost childish communications

[blackpoolhibs]

lack of professionalism has embarrassed the cause of both these organisations ...they will never get the fans base behind them - too political and almost childish communications

100% spot on, they have alienated the very people they need to make this work and turned their campaign into a bloody joke.

[Pete]

So he's using East Mains as a cash cow for his family AND he's trying to steal our stadium?

Any evidence?

[Bostonhibby]

Does anyone take any of these people seriously anymore, i know i don't?

Was toying with the idea of posting another poll to see how they are progressing in winning people over on here since the recent communications but didn't fancy falling into any of the categories mentioned above.

I think they have dug a big hole that's going to be difficult to get out off, the recent tweets if true are playground stuff and maybe even actionable if STF could be bothered?

[BroxburnHibee]

Does anyone take any of these people seriously anymore, i know i don't?

Never did.

[Pretty Boy]

Does anyone take any of these people seriously anymore, i know i don't?

It's another bizarre turn of events.

If BuyHibs wanted to be taken seriously they really should have positioned them as far away from HOH as possible. One of the directors taking to social media to make claims about STF stealing from Hibs is bewildering. If this is happening/going to happen then make the evidence public, failing to do that just continues to alienate people and comes across as Daily Mailesque 'what iffery?'.

[Kaiser1962]

100% spot on, they have alienated the very people they need to make this work and turned their campaign into a bloody joke.

It seems that the guy was asking Andrew Sibley questions relating to the q + a that Ashley did on here. So he has been called an "agent of the board" and STF is stealing/has stolen (they weren't clear) Easter Road. I can't help think these groups are linked, however much they play it down.

It's worth mentioning that Andrew didn't really answer him other than in riddles.

They don't really help themselves.

[marinello59]

It seems that the guy was asking Andrew Sibley questions relating to the q + a that Ashley did on here. So he has been called an "agent of the board" and STF is stealing/has stolen (they weren't clear) Easter Road. I can't help think these groups are linked, however much they play it down.

It's worth mentioning that Andrew didn't really answer him other than in riddles.

They don't really help themselves.

Maybe HoH are the ''guerrilla marketing'' wing of BuyHibs. :greengrin

[blackpoolhibs]

It seems that the guy was asking Andrew Sibley questions relating to the q + a that Ashley did on here. So he has been called an "agent of the board" and STF is stealing/has stolen (they weren't clear) Easter Road. I can't help think these groups are linked, however much they play it down.

It's worth mentioning that Andrew didn't really answer him other than in riddles.

They don't really help themselves.

:agree: A joke of a campaign by people who have not answered one of their allegations. Its dead in the water now in my opinion, i'm certainly not interested in anything they may have to say about Hibs now.

[Scouse Hibee]

Maybe HoH are the ''guerrilla marketing'' wing of BuyHibs. :greengrin

Led by a self proclaimed "Son of Edinburgh" :rolleyes:

[Leith Green]

:agree: A joke of a campaign by people who have not answered one of their allegations. Its dead in the water now in my opinion, i'm certainly not interested in anything they may have to say about Hibs now.


I have to say, i started off on hearing both groups arrival as being positive for the club and support. As time has gone on its evident that there is nothing good that these groups can bring.

The biggest problem any group or person has is how split a support we seem to have at the moment. We would be a nightmare if we were fan owned as we seem pretty split when it comes to most things

[Leith Green]

Forgot to add, we are crying out for strong leadership at the top.. That is what is missing for me...

[kano]

Time to give HoH some credit... :cb

Hands On Hibs also appreciates all the assistance we have received from the Board and the staff at the football club over the last few days. This is a great example of the Hibernian community coming together.

Methinks they have had their erse well and truly skelped.. :greengrin

Wrong. You've said this earlier in the thread as well. Complete nonsense. During the meeting with Hands On Hibs and the board, no legal action was used as a threat by Rod Petrie or anyone else. It would only have come from Rod Petrie anyway as he was the man in control and asking HOH if the tactic of targeting Tom Farmer could be stopped. All this went on while Leanne Dempster who runs the show if you listen to many on here sat on her hands.

[Kaiser1962]

Wrong. You've said this earlier in the thread as well. Complete nonsense. During the meeting with Hands On Hibs and the board, no legal action was used as a threat by Rod Petrie or anyone else. It would only have come from Rod Petrie anyway as he was the man in control and asking HOH if the tactic of targeting Tom Farmer could be stopped. All this went on while Leanne Dempster who runs the show if you listen to many on here sat on her hands.

It seems they have now accused him of theft as well.

[bigwheel]

Wrong. You've said this earlier in the thread as well. Complete nonsense. During the meeting with Hands On Hibs and the board, no legal action was used as a threat by Rod Petrie or anyone else. It would only have come from Rod Petrie anyway as he was the man in control and asking HOH if the tactic of targeting Tom Farmer could be stopped. All this went on while Leanne Dempster who runs the show if you listen to many on here sat on her hands.

What point are you actually trying to make here ??? Dempster doesn't have a real job ? Petrie is still fully in control ??

[Peevemor]

Wrong. You've said this earlier in the thread as well. Complete nonsense. During the meeting with Hands On Hibs and the board, no legal action was used as a threat by Rod Petrie or anyone else. It would only have come from Rod Petrie anyway as he was the man in control and asking HOH if the tactic of targeting Tom Farmer could be stopped. All this went on while Leanne Dempster who runs the show if you listen to many on here sat on her hands.

Leeann Dempster is responsible for the day-to-day running of the club. Dealing with unfounded attacks on STF, who has no official capacity at Hibs, is outwith her remit. It's normal that RP, as co-accusee, was the one doing the talking.

It's not that hard to understand.

[CropleyWasGod]

Wrong. You've said this earlier in the thread as well. Complete nonsense. During the meeting with Hands On Hibs and the board, no legal action was used as a threat by Rod Petrie or anyone else. It would only have come from Rod Petrie anyway as he was the man in control and asking HOH if the tactic of targeting Tom Farmer could be stopped. All this went on while Leanne Dempster who runs the show if you listen to many on here sat on her hands.

The bit in bold... are you saying that RP did ask the HibiLeaks stuff to be stopped?

If so, that is the essence of what I am saying. If not, and you were (or know someone who was) at the meeting, then I apologise.

[Blaster]

Wrong. You've said this earlier in the thread as well. Complete nonsense. During the meeting with Hands On Hibs and the board, no legal action was used as a threat by Rod Petrie or anyone else. It would only have come from Rod Petrie anyway as he was the man in control and asking HOH if the tactic of targeting Tom Farmer could be stopped. All this went on while Leanne Dempster who runs the show if you listen to many on here sat on her hands.

That sounds a bitter response and part of the reason the support is not supporting buyhibs.

Leanne dempster is running the footballing side. Rod Petrie is representing sir Tom farmers interests ie the ownership

another pop at hibs.....getting boring

[marinello59]

Wrong. You've said this earlier in the thread as well. Complete nonsense. During the meeting with Hands On Hibs and the board, no legal action was used as a threat by Rod Petrie or anyone else. It would only have come from Rod Petrie anyway as he was the man in control and asking HOH if the tactic of targeting Tom Farmer could be stopped. All this went on while Leanne Dempster who runs the show if you listen to many on here sat on her hands.

What on earth has LD got to do with HoH **** stirring? :confused:

[blackpoolhibs]

What on earth has LD got to do with HoH **** stirring? :confused:

Scattergun approach, accusation after accusation but never any answers when questioned on anything that's relevant?

[Blaster]

What on earth has LD got to do with HoH **** stirring? :confused:

Exactly mate. As I said another pointless pop at the club

[kano]

The bit in bold... are you saying that RP did ask the HibiLeaks stuff to be stopped?

If so, that is the essence of what I am saying. If not, and you were (or know someone who was) at the meeting, then I apologise.

He ASKED if the direct tactic of targeting Farmers business's ect could be stopped. I repeat, no threats of legal action were made, like you hinged at in an earlier post. Or someone did, apologies if it wasn't you. Hands on Hibs representatives agreed to this after consulting all other members of the group. The promises were. The board would publish a strategy for the future of the football club and this would be published before Xmas, also the AGM would be in this time frame. None of these have happened as I'm sure you are aware..

[kano]

What on earth has LD got to do with HoH **** stirring? :confused:

Just pointing out who was in control in the boardroom that's all.

[marinello59]

He ASKED if the direct tactic of targeting Farmers business's ect could be stopped. I repeat, no threats of legal action were made, like you hinged at in an earlier post. Or someone did, apologies if it wasn't you. Hands on Hibs representatives agreed to this after consulting all other members of the group. The promises were. The board would publish a strategy for the future of the football club and this would be published before Xmas, also the AGM would be in this time frame. None of these have happened as I'm sure you are aware..

And why on earth would the club dance to the tune of a handful of fans intent on spreading unfounded smear stories?

[kano]

What point are you actually trying to make here ??? Dempster doesn't have a real job ? Petrie is still fully in control ??

Petrie was certainly the one in control on this occasion.

[CropleyWasGod]

He ASKED if the direct tactic of targeting Farmers business's ect could be stopped. I repeat, no threats of legal action were made, like you hinged at in an earlier post. Or someone did, apologies if it wasn't you. Hands on Hibs representatives agreed to this after consulting all other members of the group. The promises were. The board would publish a strategy for the future of the football club and this would be published before Xmas, also the AGM would be in this time frame. None of these have happened as I'm sure you are aware..

...which is, in essence, what I said in that post. I may have mentioned legal action earlier; CBA trawling through old posts. However, I'm sure that, if HOH/Hibileaks didn't stop with the lies and unfounded allegations, legal action would have been the next step.

Next question:- did they say that the strategy would be presented as a fait accompli, or one that was open to consultation?

[marinello59]

Just pointing out who was in control in the boardroom that's all.



No you aren't. You're throwing more **** in the hope it sticks.

[Beefster]

Just pointing out who was in control in the boardroom that's all.

Who did you expect to be in control of the boardroom, if not the chairman?

[Peevemor]

He ASKED if the direct tactic of targeting Farmers business's ect could be stopped. I repeat, no threats of legal action were made, like you hinged at in an earlier post. Or someone did, apologies if it wasn't you. Hands on Hibs representatives agreed to this after consulting all other members of the group. The promises were. The board would publish a strategy for the future of the football club and this would be published before Xmas, also the AGM would be in this time frame. None of these have happened as I'm sure you are aware..

Maybe the delay is down to the banks? It's the future of Hibs that's being planned. There's no rush, and I for one would rather they took an extra month (or more) and get it right. Who knows, they may even come up with a solid, viable proposition - something neither of the pressure groups have managed?

[kano]

And why on earth would the club dance to the tune of a handful of fans intent on spreading unfounded smear stories?

The board are not dancing to their own tune here. HOH aims are clear on their Facebook and Twitter accounts, have a look. It's also a bit more than a handful as you would've noticed if you attended the game on Saturday and witnessed the Foodbank collection.

[jdships]

Maybe the delay is down to the banks? It's the future of Hibs that's being planned. There's no rush, and I for one would rather they took an extra month (or more) and get it right. Who knows, they may even come up with a solid, viable proposition - something neither of the pressure groups have managed?


"...........a solid, viable proposition - something neither of the pressure groups have managed ? " [
That is IT in a nutshell - we have listened to the "spin" now come up with sustainable policies .
That phrase sounds familiar - ah yes at " Referendum" time :greengrin

[marinello59]

The board are not dancing to their own tune here. HOH aims are clear on their Facebook and Twitter accounts, have a look. It's also a bit more than a handful as you would've noticed if you attended the game on Saturday and witnessed the Foodbank collection.

Eh?

[Peevemor]

Eh?

I'm with you on that one. :greengrin:

[Kaiser1962]

The board are not dancing to their own tune here. HOH aims are clear on their Facebook and Twitter accounts, have a look. It's also a bit more than a handful as you would've noticed if you attended the game on Saturday and witnessed the Foodbank collection.

I gave to the foodbank so does that mean i am a supporter of HoH or BH?

[Pretty Boy]

The board are not dancing to their own tune here. HOH aims are clear on their Facebook and Twitter accounts, have a look. It's also a bit more than a handful as you would've noticed if you attended the game on Saturday and witnessed the Foodbank collection.

I donated to the foodbank but have no support for HOH when it comes to their 'aims' (whatever they are) or their stories about Hibs. I'm sure hundreds of other, if not thousands, are in the same boat.

I really don't think you can use the success of the foodbank collection as a way of measuring support for HOH as a whole.

[blackpoolhibs]

The foodbank would not have been remotely the success it was without this site the bounce and indeed the club. If it was to be used as a sign of support for Hibileaks or buyhibs people would have starved.

[kano]

...which is, in essence, what I said in that post. I may have mentioned legal action earlier; CBA trawling through old posts. However, I'm sure that, if HOH/Hibileaks didn't stop with the lies and unfounded allegations, legal action would have been the next step.

Next question:- did they say that the strategy would be presented as a fait accompli, or one that was open to consultation?

Time will tell with that one..

Wasn't mentioned as far as I can remember. I would hope it's open to consultation, although I won't hold my breath.

[kano]

Maybe the delay is down to the banks? It's the future of Hibs that's being planned. There's no rush, and I for one would rather they took an extra month (or more) and get it right. Who knows, they may even come up with a solid, viable proposition - something neither of the pressure groups have managed?

Agreed, I would rather an extra month if it helps. Silly of the club to go making promises they can't keep though.

[kano]

I gave to the foodbank so does that mean i am a supporter of HoH or BH?

Nope.

[Peevemor]

Agreed, I would rather an extra month if it helps. Silly of the club to go making promises they can't keep though.

Was it a promise though?

[blackpoolhibs]

Agreed, I would rather an extra month if it helps. Silly of the club to go making promises they can't keep though.

:faf: A bit like making accusations you cant prove, and cant prove them because its all made up.

[marinello59]

Agreed, I would rather an extra month if it helps. Silly of the club to go making promises they can't keep though.

We only have HoH's word that a sort of promise was made. Were you at the meeting and what was actually said?

[kano]

I donated to the foodbank but have no support for HOH when it comes to their 'aims' (whatever they are) or their stories about Hibs. I'm sure hundreds of other, if not thousands, are in the same boat.

I really don't think you can use the success of the foodbank collection as a way of measuring support for HOH as a whole.

I never once said anyone donating food supported HOH. I replied to a comment that said HOH only have a handful of members. This is nonsense as anyone who was there on Saturday would've noticed with the amount of HOH activists there.

[kano]

The foodbank would not have been remotely the success it was without this site the bounce and indeed the club. If it was to be used as a sign of support for Hibileaks or buyhibs people would have starved.


Sound mate 👍

I'll take your word for knowing who would've and wouldn't have donated because It was posted on an Internet forum. 😴

[Pretty Boy]

I never once said anyone donating food supported HOH. I replied to a comment that said HOH have only a handful of members. This is nonsense as anyone who was there on Saturday would've noticed with the amount of HOH activists there.

So how many supporters do they have? And I mean active supporters not likes on Facebook or followers on Twitter.

Dozens? Hundreds? More?

[blackpoolhibs]

Sound mate 

I'll take your word for knowing who would've and wouldn't have donated because It was posted on an Internet forum. 

Deary me, do you honestly think without Hibs having a game and the publicity it got from the club and the Hibs fans website all of these folk would have dropped food of at another place on Saturday at 3pm?

:crazy:

[schinkenotto]

Hands on Hibs and (to a lesser extent)BuyHibs are amateur night at Pontins,laced with personal spite against STF.In my view he has shown great restraint in face of slanderous attacks,but if I were him I would simply withdraw my guarantees and let these people get on with it(which would mean the end of Hibs).No one denies that the last few years have been a shambles and RP has been a disaster over that period,but to accuse STF of dishonesty and "milking" Hibs for his own financial gain,when he is able to(and does) give millions of pounds to charity goes beyond all bounds of commonsense and decency.

For the first time for a few years,there is appearing a glimmer of progress and STF recognises the need to change for the future. It seems to me to be sensible to await the AGM,as I'm sure that the promised proposals will be preferable to the half baked vindictive fodder we've been treated to so far.

[Brightside]

Just pointing out who was in control in the boardroom that's all.

Her job is to run the football team from top to bottom. I wish these groups would grow a set and either engage with whats on offer or walk away from the self promotion.

[kano]

We only have HoH's word that a sort of promise was made. Were you at the meeting and what was actually said?

No I wasn't. I've read the minutes. I'm sure they're all made up lies as well though.

[marinello59]

No I wasn't. I've read the minutes. I'm sure they're all made up lies as well though.

Who mentioned lies?
So the minutes are available. Where can we see them?

[kano]

So how many supporters do they have? And I mean active supporters not likes on Facebook or followers on Twitter.

Dozens? Hundreds? More?

At least 100 activists, that's people who are actually prepared to go out and do doing something not sitting in their mums house on the internet.

[JimBHibees]

At least 100 activists, that's people who are actually prepared to go out and do doing something not sitting in their mums house on the internet.

The charm offensive continues.

[CropleyWasGod]

At least 100 activists, that's people who are actually prepared to go out and do doing something not sitting in their mums house on the internet.

By doing something, what do you mean?

(sent from my own house, on the internet, in the breaks between Black Mirror)

[kano]

For some reason it's not letting me quote Blackpool Hibs.

Someone should let him know the Foodbank collection actually started on the Monday at a different location and before the club supported it by putting it on the website on the Wednesday. Hibs fans who couldn't attend the game contacted HOH on twitter and done this. I'm sure one even posts on here.

[Pretty Boy]

At least 100 activists, that's people who are actually prepared to go out and do doing something not sitting in their mums house on the internet.

I could list plenty things I've gone out and done for Hibs over the years or this site has done for Hibs and the wider community over the years but I'm sure you aren't trying to provoke a 'my cocks bigger than yours' type argument or anything as petty as that so I won't.

[leither17]

Im in my dads house

[kano]

By doing something, what do you mean?

(sent from my own house, on the internet, in the breaks between Black Mirror)

I think that's obvious. Anyway, I'm bored now. Remember and feed the cats.

[marinello59]

I think that's obvious. Anyway, I'm bored now. Remember and feed the cats.

Just trolling then.

[CropleyWasGod]

I think that's obvious. Anyway, I'm bored now. Remember and feed the cats.

The foodbank and false allegations apart, nothing is obvious.

The cats can starve.... I'm watching Black Mirror.

[greenginger]

At least 100 activists, that's people who are actually prepared to go out and do doing something not sitting in their mums house on the internet.


Well I did something too.

I had a dispute with a HoH person a couple of weeks ago. Before a match he was telling anyone who would listen that Farmer had stole millions from Hibs, and that Hibs did not even own the East Mains complex.

So I went to the Land Registers Office at Meadowbank House and purchased a copy of the Title to East Mains training Centre.
And, surprise ,surprise, the owners of the Centre are ...... Hibernian Football Club !

I have a copy of the document to present to the slavering little prick ( sorry HoH executive ) at the next home game, if he's there.
Maybe it will shut down one line of HoH garbage.

[greenginger]

Just trolling then.

Yep, still there.

[Kaiser1962]

Is it me or is there an unpleasant undercurrent to the way they (HoH or BH) are using social media to get their point across?

[greenginger]

Is it me or is there an unpleasant undercurrent to the way they (HoH or BH) are using social media to get their point across?


Well they certainly are not doing it by well thought out and reasoned argument .

[Andy74]

Is it me or is there an unpleasant undercurrent to the way they (HoH or BH) are using social media to get their point across?

Illustrates just what they are. Best ignored now I think.

[Kaiser1962]

Who mentioned lies?
So the minutes are available. Where can we see them?

#transparency :wink: It's what it's all about, apparently.

[Kaiser1962]

The foodbank and false allegations apart, nothing is obvious.

The cats can starve.... I'm watching Black Mirror.

*******!!! Feed your cats..........

[CropleyWasGod]

*******!!! Feed your cats..........

Done. Black Mirror is finished.

Was weird, but nothing compared to this thread tonight. :greengrin

[Peevemor]

Is it me or is there an unpleasant undercurrent to the way they (HoH or BH) are using social media to get their point across?

I reckon they must use the same PR agency. :agree:

[Thecat23]

I'm starving!!!!!!

[CropleyWasGod]

I'm starving!!!!!!
Shut it. I fed you half an hour ago.

[Thecat23]

Shut it. I fed you half an hour ago.

You call that a feed? Pfft I'm outta here!!


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[CropleyWasGod]

You call that a feed? Pfft I'm outta here!!


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Troll

[Thecat23]

Troll

I'm not the prettiest cat but that hurt my feeling [emoji26]


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[FranckSuzy]

lack of professionalism has embarrassed the cause of both these organisations ...they will never get the fans base behind them - too political and almost childish communications

:agree: :top marks

[FranckSuzy]

Well I did something too.

I had a dispute with a HoH person a couple of weeks ago. Before a match he was telling anyone who would listen that Farmer had stole millions from Hibs, and that Hibs did not even own the East Mains complex.

So I went to the Land Registers Office at Meadowbank House and purchased a copy of the Title to East Mains training Centre.
And, surprise ,surprise, the owners of the Centre are ...... Hibernian Football Club !

I have a copy of the document to present to the slavering little prick ( sorry HoH executive ) at the next home game, if he's there.
Maybe it will shut down one line of HoH garbage.

:faf: :top marks

[HoboHarry]

In terms of presenting a cohesive business plan HoH have been an unmitigated disaster. I really think it's a pity that Pat Stanton is associating with them.

[greenlex]

I am deeper in a state of despair. No evidence of absolutely anything forthcoming for months. Hearsay and bollocks it would appear. For the record if any wrongdoings were forthcoming and change was indeed needed I would still not support either HOH or Buyhibs. Hopefully someone or somebody who has the wherewithal torun the club comes forward. Looking forward to the results of the board/ bank negotiations. It might just get the majority focused on the real thing and that's our clubs future and not personal nonsense.

[CropleyWasGod]

In terms of presenting a cohesive business plan HoH have been an unmitigated disaster. I really think it's a pity that Pat Stanton is associating with them.
Getting your People's Fronts mixed up :) PS is with BH, not HoH.

[bigwheel]

I was really swithering about supporting HoH or BH, but now that Poster Kano has been so warm and convincing I think I must :-). ....another piece of communication magic !

[BroxburnHibee]

What an absolute waste of space this shower are.

[Geo_1875]

Getting your People's Fronts mixed up :) PS is with BH, not HoH.

Is that rhyming slang?

[Mikey]

Getting your People's Fronts mixed up :) PS is with BH, not HoH.

Is there really a difference between them?

I think not.

[SaulGoodman]

At least 100 activists, that's people who are actually prepared to go out and do doing something not sitting in their mums house on the internet.

Oh dear. Not really been paying attention to this whole saga but if this is the amount of professionalism that hoh/BuyHibs can muster It's no wonder it doesn't have much support.

[marti1875]

What an absolute waste of space this shower are.

:agree: I was just reading that guy "Kano's" comments and just like a wee while back when one of BH "leaders" came on here i am just left shaking my head in disbelief...again!

You would think groups such as these would at least make an effort to have someone good at communicating to front things in this way on fans public forums.
Instead all we seem to get are people who clearly should not be anywhere near a forum as their comments just come accross as immature, childish and full of bitterness.
And as usual when it gets too hot they do a runner! Yet this is a group expecting fans to support them? my god, you really would need to only have the equivalent of 1 single functioning brain cell left to support this crowd with their unfounded allegations and constant avoidance of answering the questions aimed at them regarding just how Sir Tom is allepgedly ripping us of or whatever they claim.
They would all make great politicians the way they totally avoid answering the vital points!!

Put up or shut up i say...they should either come forward with their "evidence" make it public for all to see then we can all make up our minds....or they should just shut up as it rally is getting to the embarrassing stage for them as they are looking more and more silly with each day they make the same allegations and refuse to back-up anything they allege.

[Caversham Green]

Who mentioned lies?
So the minutes are available. Where can we see them?

That's a good point. Hibs fans have a right to know what was said at that meeting and it might help hibileaks credibility a bit if they were to make those minutes public.

Unless they have something to hide of course.

[s.a.m]

Is that rhyming slang?


My first thought too...:greengrin

[Andy74]

BuHibs now want answers before the AGM. That's a bit rich considering they can't answer anything themselves.

They also seem to have clicked that Sir Tom might not actually want to sell...

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl-lower-divisions/buyhibs-want-answers-on-club-s-future-before-agm-1-3636321

[Mikey]

BuHibs now want answers before the AGM. That's a bit rich considering they can't answer anything themselves.

They also seem to have clicked that Sir Tom might not actually want to sell...

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl-lower-divisions/buyhibs-want-answers-on-club-s-future-before-agm-1-3636321


I would like as much transparency as possible

:hilarious

[Benny Brazil]

BuHibs now want answers before the AGM. That's a bit rich considering they can't answer anything themselves.

They also seem to have clicked that Sir Tom might not actually want to sell...

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl-lower-divisions/buyhibs-want-answers-on-club-s-future-before-agm-1-3636321

Seems they are becoming HoH just in a different name.
Its sad to see a legend like Pat standing alongside this shower of charlatans.

[chippy]

Interesting to see the atracks questioning variously the grammatical, communication, professoonal, business, financial skills of the BH and HoH groups. You are seriously scrutinising those who are publicly criticising the current regime but what about the questions they raise? That is what is crucial - what happens to the ownership of the club, stadium et al. Sad to see the attacks on these well meaning Hibs fans.

[Andy74]

They are a bit obsessed with this running up debt line - how did they envisage a new stadium could be built without taking mortages out?

I've be interested to hear if they all have mortgages themselves and whether they consider they have mismanaged their finances if they didn't just build/buy their homes from their own pockets.

[Mikey]

Interesting to see the atracks questioning variously the grammatical, communication, professoonal, business, financial skills of the BH and HoH groups. You are seriously scrutinising those who are publicly criticising the current regime but what about the questions they raise? That is what is crucial - what happens to the ownership of the club, stadium et al. Sad to see the attacks on these well meaning Hibs fans.

I think the biggest issue is that the group are telling us there are issues regarding ownership of the stadium and East Mains but when pressed on it they have no answers whatsoever.

[Peevemor]

Interesting to see the atracks questioning variously the grammatical, communication, professoonal, business, financial skills of the BH and HoH groups. You are seriously scrutinising those who are publicly criticising the current regime but what about the questions they raise? That is what is crucial - what happens to the ownership of the club, stadium et al. Sad to see the attacks on these well meaning Hibs fans.

They've raised questions that will be answered in the fullness of time. They're trying to create a sense of urgency that simply doesn't exist.

On the other hand they're happy to throw around accusations without offering even the smallest amount of proof.

IMO both groups are now damaging Hibs, therefore neither deserve any respect - quite the opposite in fact.

[Oscar T Grouch]

The board are not dancing to their own tune here. HOH aims are clear on their Facebook and Twitter accounts, have a look. It's also a bit more than a handful as you would've noticed if you attended the game on Saturday and witnessed the Foodbank collection.

Point of note here. I contributed to the food bank collection but I do not support BH or HoH. It would seem by this statement it was just a marketing ploy by these groups and nothing to do with the needy of Edinburgh. Makes me hate these groups even more.

[Andy74]

Interesting to see the atracks questioning variously the grammatical, communication, professoonal, business, financial skills of the BH and HoH groups. You are seriously scrutinising those who are publicly criticising the current regime but what about the questions they raise? That is what is crucial - what happens to the ownership of the club, stadium et al. Sad to see the attacks on these well meaning Hibs fans.

The communication skills are just part of it. They have been given ample opportunity to answer questions relating to their plans but haven't been able to provide any.

Instead they have been throwing out allegations and suggestions of asset stripping and even theft.

The ownership and assets issues are somrthing they beleive we should be worried about but based on what?

I'm not so sure now they are well meaning at all, seems very agenda and personality led.

Their actions and behavious throughout this have been very poor and I hope they take the hint that they have very little support and disappear sometime soon.

[Caversham Green]

I think the biggest issue is that the group are telling us there are issues regarding ownership of the stadium and East Mains but when pressed on it they have no answers whatsoever.

Indeed. The article say they're worried by speculation that the assets will be removed but as far as I can see all the speculation originates from their own comments.

I've tried hard to give them (Buyhibs, not Hands on Hibs who showed themselves up as liars and fools from the start) a fair hearing, but their recent activity has made my mind up - I'm out.

[schinkenotto]

BuHibs now want answers before the AGM. That's a bit rich considering they can't answer anything themselves.

They also seem to have clicked that Sir Tom might not actually want to sell...

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl-lower-divisions/buyhibs-want-answers-on-club-s-future-before-agm-1-3636321

According to the article they also can't make up their minds between demanding STF's "price",while saying that he doesn't deserve to get his loans back in full.This is getting more ridiculous by the minute.

[CropleyWasGod]

Interesting to see the atracks questioning variously the grammatical, communication, professoonal, business, financial skills of the BH and HoH groups. You are seriously scrutinising those who are publicly criticising the current regime but what about the questions they raise? That is what is crucial - what happens to the ownership of the club, stadium et al. Sad to see the attacks on these well meaning Hibs fans.

Serious scrutiny is essential, IMO, of all potential major changes to the club. Had that been the way of things in other situations, the likes of Romanov, Whyte and Duff wouldn't have left first base.

For the avoidance of doubt, that scrutiny will extend to the club's own plans.

[BroxburnHibee]

Interesting to see the atracks questioning variously the grammatical, communication, professoonal, business, financial skills of the BH and HoH groups. You are seriously scrutinising those who are publicly criticising the current regime but what about the questions they raise? That is what is crucial - what happens to the ownership of the club, stadium et al. Sad to see the attacks on these well meaning Hibs fans.

You say they are well meaning - i say they are both flinging unsubstantiated muck about in the hope it will be enough to line up enough support behind them.

Asked repeatedly by many on here to provide some proof and they ALL mysteriously go quiet.

Both campaigns have been farcical and have no hope of success

[marinello59]

Are they really demanding transparency from the club? You couldn't make this stuff up. It's looking more and more like BuyHibs and HoH are just part of the same campaign now and rather than promote a strategy that fans can unite behind they are creating divisions. I'm not so sure that isn't their intention given the bizarre interventions we are increasingly seeing here.

[s.a.m]

BH were after our support for a proposal to buy out the club, and establish a new management structure. For those purposes, I would have thought the skills you mention are essential, and it would be dangerous and stupid for Hibs fans to offer support to any fan-based takeover without 'due diligence'. No[/I]?

You are seriously scrutinising those who are publicly criticising the current regime but what about the questions they raise?

Many people have attempted to answer their accusations of underhand dealings and fraud with reference to legal documents, in the public domain, specific to each case. We've not had any response to that, to persuade us why they might actually be right.
In terms of the future of the club, many here are also keen to hear what STF's plans are. I think what people are objecting to is the perceived need to start a revolution before we know what they are. I - and I suspect most others - would rather wait until after Christmas if that means a better deal can be hammered out, than a rushed and incomplete plan being presented now.Many, myself included, are turned off by the nasty, thuggish approach by some of those involved.
[/B]

That is what is crucial - what happens to the ownership of the club, stadium et al.Sad to see the attacks on these well meaning Hibs fans

I'm sure there is good intent in their somewhere. It seems to have been lost though amongst a stramash of personal agenda, childish spite and personal grievance. With a bit of daftness thrown in. I'm beginning to think that, like many other activist type activities, it's become a bit self-serving, and the issue (Hibs and it's future success and security) has become secondary to their needs and grievances.

I'm not opposed in principle to fan involvement in the club's future management and ownership structure, but I want this shower of charmers no-where near it.


[/B].
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[brog]

Serious scrutiny is essential, IMO, of all potential major changes to the club. Had that been the way of things in other situations, the likes of Romanov, Whyte and Duff wouldn't have left first base.

For the avoidance of doubt, that scrutiny will extend to the club's own plans.

Spot on, & to give some credit to BH, ( a tough act I know! ) I don't think it's coincidence we're now seeing movement re the way forward for our club. However for BH to retain any credibility I believe the 2 ( apparent ) principals, Andrew Sibley & Neil Wheelan need to break cover & support their allegations of land theft, financial skullduggery etc with hard facts. If they're as expert as they proclaim themselves to be on their website this should not be too difficult a task. I appreciate their frustration with what has happened to our Club & I applaud their effort in trying to do something positive but it really is time to put up or shut up.

[jacomo]

They are a bit obsessed with this running up debt line - how did they envisage a new stadium could be built without taking mortages out?

I've be interested to hear if they all have mortgages themselves and whether they consider they have mismanaged their finances if they didn't just build/buy their homes from their own pockets.

Pretty sure they are not referring to any mortgages, but to trading losses made in recent years. These, you could argue, have been accrued through mismanagement of the club.

[CropleyWasGod]

Pretty sure they are not referring to any mortgages, but to trading losses made in recent years. These, you could argue, have been accrued through mismanagement of the club.

... but the profits, of which there have been 7 in recent years, are down to luck. :greengrin

[jacomo]

BuHibs now want answers before the AGM. That's a bit rich considering they can't answer anything themselves.

They also seem to have clicked that Sir Tom might not actually want to sell...

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl-lower-divisions/buyhibs-want-answers-on-club-s-future-before-agm-1-3636321

This isn't quite right either. They are asking that any proposals be made public before the AGM, so the other shareholders have a chance to consider them ahead of the meeting.

It's not unreasonable, is it? In fact, it's good practice to make all relevant papers available ahead of an AGM.

[jacomo]

... but the profits, of which there have been 7 in recent years, are down to luck. :greengrin

No, not at all. But it's the relative size of the losses vs profits, is it not?

We are all expecting last years accounts to be a horror show, and apparently the same again this year.

Petrie got plenty of credit when he was presenting year after year of 'rock solid' results.

[Peevemor]

Pretty sure they are not referring to any mortgages, but to trading losses made in recent years. These, you could argue, have been accrued through mismanagement of the club.

Yeah, because we're the only club to have lost money from time to time. :rolleyes:

[CropleyWasGod]

This isn't quite right either. They are asking that any proposals be made public before the AGM, so the other shareholders have a chance to consider them ahead of the meeting.

It's not unreasonable, is it? In fact, it's good practice to make all relevant papers available ahead of an AGM.

I'm not so sure that the shareholders will be asked to vote on the proposals. It's not really a shareholder matter. However, even if they were, their vote would be immaterial.

For me, it's more appropriate to have a wider discussion amongst supporters as a whole, rather than just shareholders. That is why I asked the Kano guy last night if the Board's proposals were to be presented as a fait accompli, or a consultation document. He didn't know.

[Andy74]

This isn't quite right either. They are asking that any proposals be made public before the AGM, so the other shareholders have a chance to consider them ahead of the meeting.

It's not unreasonable, is it? In fact, it's good practice to make all relevant papers available ahead of an AGM.

There will be a notice of AGM which will detail the resolutions to be voted on.

I don't think anyone has suggested that there will be any proposals that will be voted on at the AGM - only that they will be presenting on their strategy for the future of the club.

If they wanted a 'heads up' on anything they could have met with the board when offered.

The reality is also that we have a current owner and a board and they are entitled to carry on with the business of restructuring the finances or ther assets as they see best for the future of the club. If there is anything coming out of the AGM for us to have a view on I'm sure there will be opportunity.

The way BuyHibs have carried on, they aren't really presenting themselves as a group with a mandate to be consulted on by the club over anything.

[jacomo]

Yeah, because we're the only club to have lost money from time to time. :rolleyes:

You are really tiresome. Happy to accuse me of 'getting at you' when I disagree with you, then you post dismissive and belittling rubbish like this.

I am trying to engage in a conversation about our club. Why don't you grow up?

[jacomo]

There will be a notice of AGM which will detail the resolutions to be voted on.

I don't think anyone has suggested that there will be any proposals that will be voted on at the AGM - only that they will be presenting on their strategy for the future of the club.

If they wanted a 'heads up' on anything they could have met with the board when offered.

The reality is also that we have a current owner and a board and they are entitled to carry on with the business of restructuring the finances or ther assets as they see best for the future of the club. If there is anything coming out of the AGM for us to have a view on I'm sure there will be opportunity.

The way BuyHibs have carried on, they aren't really presenting themselves as a group with a mandate to be consulted on by the club over anything.

Thanks, but this goes beyond Buy Hibs. We are being led to believe that the club is proposing major changes in some form or another. I think, therefore, that it is only right that details are made public for all fans ahead of the AGM. It's good PR for the club too.

Of course, votes at the AGM are symbolic only because STF has near-total control. But symbolic votes still carry some weight.

[Peevemor]

You are really tiresome. Happy to accuse me of 'getting at you' when I disagree with you, then you post dismissive and belittling rubbish like this.

I am trying to engage in a conversation about our club. Why don't you grow up?


Stick me on ignore then - I don't give a toss!

[Andy74]

Thanks, but this goes beyond Buy Hibs. We are being led to believe that the club is proposing major changes in some form or another. I think, therefore, that it is only right that details are made public for all fans ahead of the AGM. It's good PR for the club too.

Of course, votes at the AGM are symbolic only because STF has near-total control. But symbolic votes still carry some weight.

That's true, but I don't think they are being proposed for approval at the AGM.

The debt thing, whatever, it is, is a board matter and I'm fairly sure could only be of benefit to us and so if they were to announce that at the AGM as a job done then that would be fair enough.

The rest appears just to be future strategy, maybe some long term planning of an ownership model, its really only those on the outside that have been suggesting we have an urgent ownership or asset issue.

My understanding is that they are going to present this at at the AGM so I'm not sure what benefit pre-presenting a presentation would do.

The club have undertaken surveys and consultations already and if they have a clear view now from that then we can't say we haven't been asked, however, I'm sure there will be some discussion opportnity once we know exactly what these plans are.

[jacomo]

Stick me on ignore then - I don't give a toss!

Why were you bleating about me last week then? Pathetic stuff.

[Peevemor]

Why were you bleating about me last week then? Pathetic stuff.

I'll bleat on about you if I want, you can choose to not even see it should you so wish.

[jacomo]

I'll bleat on about you if I want, you can choose to not even see it should you so wish.

Seriously?

I'd drop the keyboard hard man stuff if I were you - it's not a good look.

[The Green Goblin]

BuHibs now want answers before the AGM. That's a bit rich considering they can't answer anything themselves.

They also seem to have clicked that Sir Tom might not actually want to sell...

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/spfl-lower-divisions/buyhibs-want-answers-on-club-s-future-before-agm-1-3636321

Maybe they could have gotten those answers if they had been mature enough to meet the board and talk like adults.

[Jack]

Is the kano that posted last night the Kano that some people seem to assume he is?

I think we should be told.

[Mikey]

Why were you bleating about me last week then? Pathetic stuff.


I'll bleat on about you if I want, you can choose to not even see it should you so wish.


Seriously?

I'd drop the keyboard hard man stuff if I were you - it's not a good look.

Let's both drop it :wink:

[Andy74]

Is the kano that posted last night the Kano that some people seem to assume he is?

I think we should be told.

I don't think he is Kano as in the ex player!

The poster seemed to be coming from the HoH side as opposed to BuyHibs but the lines are becoming less easy to see.

[jacomo]

Let's both drop it :wink:

Ha. Sorry mate, not guilty. Go back to the start of this little exchange and see if I provoked this or not.

Like I said, it's pathetic.

[Leithenhibby]

Is the kano that posted last night the Kano that some people seem to assume he is?

I think we should be told.

:greengrin

[Leithenhibby]

I don't think he is Kano as in the ex player!

The poster seemed to be coming from the HoH side as opposed to BuyHibs but the lines are becoming less easy to see.


Is that not the same :confused:

Always thought that, Petrie Out, became Forever Hibernian, that's now, BuyHibs/HOH........

Just need some transparency, in what is becoming rather messy and confusing :rolleyes:

[jacomo]

Is that not the same :confused:

Always thought that, Petrie Out, became Forever Hibernian, that's now, BuyHibs/HOH........

Just need some transparency, in what is becoming rather messy and confusing :rolleyes:

You're not the only one that's confused.

I looked at HoH's Facebook page for 1st time last night. All about the food bank collection this week, so I went back and looked at their statements etc. There was little to take issue with, to be honest - they are clearly disillusioned with Hibs and claim to be completely independent of any other group.

However, it seems that individuals within the group are making all sorts of claims about STF without any foundation to them at all. And Buy Hibs (or someone within that group) are acting as an echo chamber, repeating concerns about asset stripping without adding any substance.

[Leithenhibby]

You're not the only one that's confused.

I looked at HoH's Facebook page for 1st time last night. All about the food bank collection this week, so I went back and looked at their statements etc. There was little to take issue with, to be honest - they are clearly disillusioned with Hibs and claim to be completely independent of any other group.

However, it seems that individuals within the group are making all sorts of claims about STF without any foundation to them at all. And Buy Hibs (or someone within that group) are acting as an echo chamber, repeating concerns about asset stripping without adding any substance.

Well, that's as clear as mud :greengrin

[Golden Bear]

Reading between the lines, it looks to me as though Che Guevera would make the ideal business partner for the "activists" that are currently involved with Hands on Hibs/ Buy Hibs.

Come the Revolution everything will be fine.


:rolleyes:

[SunshineOnLeith]

BuyHibs have bad ideas, badly researched and badly proposed and communicated.

Hands on Hibs are a bunch of idiots.

So, being awful vs being stupid, that's the distinction.

[Caversham Green]

BuyHibs have bad ideas, badly researched and badly proposed and communicated.

Hands on Hibs are a bunch of idiots.

So, being awful vs being stupid, that's the distinction.

Sadly true, and they're feeding off the fans' anger at the performances over the last few seasons.

They claim to be concerned about the future of the club but neither would have seen the light of day if we hadn't been relegated.

[The_Horde]

I think both buyhibs and HOH are doing a great job regardless of what people think of their ideas.

As long as both are there the hibs board are under pressure to perform.

That's a good thing in my book.

[brog]

Is the kano that posted last night the Kano that some people seem to assume he is?

I think we should be told.

If you mean is he Paul Kane then I doubt it very much.

[Andy74]

I think both buyhibs and HOH are doing a great job regardless of what people think of their ideas.

As long as both are there the hibs board are under pressure to perform.

That's a good thing in my book.

HoH are just slinging about lies and misinformation, that is not constuctively bringing anyone to task for performance.

BuyHibs I'm not sure have added anything either. We have, from about the time Leeann was first mentioned as coming to us, been told that the club were looking at proposals for the future of the club both in its management and in getting closer to the community. They held a survey and consultation nights before Buyhibs launched.

I think their timing has been bad as the focus this year should be on getting together to improve the team. They are beginning now to share some of this misinformation and accusations. Not helfpul I'd say.

The other thing I think they may have achieved is to ruin any future process that may otherwise have had a chance of working. They have shown the danger in fans trying to run things without the right expertise and they have glaringly highlighted the lack of appetite for people to throw money into a scheme to own the club.

[Dashing Bob S]

Sadly true, and they're feeding off the fans' anger at the performances over the last few seasons.

They claim to be concerned about the future of the club but neither would have seen the light of day if we hadn't been relegated.

I disagree. I think it's wholly appropriate that there is a fans response to the last seven years. It might not be the realised, rational one that many of us would prefer, but I think these initiatives are better than nothing as they encourage others, who might take a more measured response, to come forward and state their case.

Apathy is far worse than activism (albeit misguided) at this point in the club's history.

[marinello59]

I disagree. I think it's wholly appropriate that there is a fans response to the last seven years. It might not be the realised, rational one that many of us would prefer, but I think these initiatives are better than nothing as they encourage others, who might take a more measured response, to come forward and state their case.

Apathy is far worse than activism (albeit misguided) at this point in the club's history.

I totally agree and the way that Paul Kane stepped forward as a leader at the end of last season and the subsequent attempt by ForeverHibs to move things forward was admirable.
Unfortunately what we are seeing now form both HoH and BuyHibs is damaging in that it is causing disunity amongst the support. It almost looks as if some are deliberately trying to drive a wedge between different groups of supporters. Maybe somebody else will step forward but the way BuyHibs has conducted themselves will put plenty off fans involvement for good and that would be a real shame.

[Mikey]

Just for info..... for the sake of transparency, access to the BuyHibs account has been stopped and anyone from BuyHibs who wants to post on here should use their own hibs.net account.

[The Falcon]

I disagree. I think it's wholly appropriate that there is a fans response to the last seven years. It might not be the realised, rational one that many of us would prefer, but I think these initiatives are better than nothing as they encourage others, who might take a more measured response, to come forward and state their case.

Apathy is far worse than activism (albeit misguided) at this point in the club's history.

A response is one thing Bob, downright abuse is something else.

[HFC 0-7]

HoH are just slinging about lies and misinformation, that is not constuctively bringing anyone to task for performance.

BuyHibs I'm not sure have added anything either. We have, from about the time Leeann was first mentioned as coming to us, been told that the club were looking at proposals for the future of the club both in its management and in getting closer to the community. They held a survey and consultation nights before Buyhibs launched.

I think their timing has been bad as the focus this year should be on getting together to improve the team. They are beginning now to share some of this misinformation and accusations. Not helfpul I'd say.

The other thing I think they may have achieved is to ruin any future process that may otherwise have had a chance of working. They have shown the danger in fans trying to run things without the right expertise and they have glaringly highlighted the lack of appetite for people to throw money into a scheme to own the club.

andy, I don't think there is any other time that they could have started it. There is never a good time as there is always a focus on something whether it be getting results or rebuilding during the close season. You are right, plenty of misinformation and lies, however I do think it is putting pressure on the board to change things for the better as these groups will pounce on anything that goes wrong.

[marinello59]

andy, I don't think there is any other time that they could have started it. There is never a good time as there is always a focus on something whether it be getting results or rebuilding during the close season. You are right, plenty of misinformation and lies, however I do think it is putting pressure on the board to change things for the better as these groups will pounce on anything that goes wrong.

They have moved beyond pouncing on things that go wrong though and are simply making things up.

[blackpoolhibs]

andy, I don't think there is any other time that they could have started it. There is never a good time as there is always a focus on something whether it be getting results or rebuilding during the close season. You are right, plenty of misinformation and lies, however I do think it is putting pressure on the board to change things for the better as these groups will pounce on anything that goes wrong.

I agree, if ever there was a right time this was it, but each and every one of them have blown it because of their lies and misinformation.

I also think they have made it harder now for anyone else to come in.

[Caversham Green]

I disagree. I think it's wholly appropriate that there is a fans response to the last seven years. It might not be the realised, rational one that many of us would prefer, but I think these initiatives are better than nothing as they encourage others, who might take a more measured response, to come forward and state their case.

Apathy is far worse than activism (albeit misguided) at this point in the club's history.

Some of that is almost the point I was trying to make. There's no doubt a change in the management structure was necessary and urgent - that was acted on before relegation seemed a real threat. A change in ownership was also arguably desirable and I would have welcomed the right people taking the right action to make that change. However it wasn't (and still isn't) urgent and the emergence of a reactionary pressure group has dealt considerable damage to the prospect of finding the right people. Meanwhile what looks increasingly like the wrong people have gone off half-cocked and dealt a bit more damage to the cause.

What is happening at the club was planned well before the fact of relegation and would have gone through even if the club had appointed a competent management team to replace Pat Fenlon. That was addressing the immediate problem, the ownership issue is not really a direct problem - these groups are firing at the wrong duck and the right duck is already down on the ground.

All IMHO of course.

[silverhibee]

I agree, if ever there was a right time this was it, but each and every one of them have blown it because of their lies and misinformation.

I also think they have made it harder now for anyone else to come in.

Don't forget about Dick, made some mistakes at the start but is still lurking in the background and hasn't went away.

[RIP]

A response is one thing Bob, downright abuse is something else.

And if you speak out about the abuse you get targeted by the bully boys and falsely accused of being a BuyHibs apologist. I'm with Dashing Bob. We need to treat each other more kindly and start working to bring all fans together.

GGTTH.

[Gerard]

And if you speak out about the abuse you get targeted by the bully boys and falsely accused of being a BuyHibs apologist. I'm with Dashing Bob. We need to treat each other more kindly and start working to bring all fans together.

GGTTH.

I agree with this poster as we are all part of the Hibernian Family and want to see a football team that is successful and plays exciting football. The more that we discuss the issues that matter with the Hibernian Family the better chance we will have of making our club a sucessful football club again.

[marinello59]

And if you speak out about the abuse you get targeted by the bully boys and falsely accused of being a BuyHibs apologist. I'm with Dashing Bob. We need to treat each other more kindly and start working to bring all fans together.

GGTTH.

You have made some of the most abusive and divisive posts here and elsewhere as you shift ground. I can only assume I have misread this post as it looks like you are trying to paint yourself as some sort of victim. I don't think anybody has accused you of being a BuyHibs apologist. not that you would know as you simply ignore any replies you get. As I pointed out to you before some of the most damning posts about BuyHibs came from yourself.

[BroxburnHibee]

I agree with this poster as we are all part of the Hibernian Family and want to see a football team that is successful and plays exciting football. The more that we discuss the issues that matter with the Hibernian Family the better chance we will have of making our club a sucessful football club again.

Are you 2 tied at the hip or is Gogs paying you to be his cheerleader.

If Gogs is so serious about what he says then why did he choose to run over the road to take unfounded swipes at several people on here including members of the admin team without naming any names of course.

If you can't see the irony in that then hell mend you.

You don't need to remind us all that you agree with Gogs at every opportunity though.

I think we get it.

[Kaiser1962]

And if you speak out about the abuse you get targeted by the bully boys and falsely accused of being a BuyHibs apologist. I'm with Dashing Bob. We need to treat each other more kindly and start working to bring all fans together.

GGTTH.

It has been mentioned there was a guy on Twitter who was asking Andrew Sibley about what their plans were and was answered with questions and riddles and told to attend the meetings. He was told he could join the meeting via a live cast. He said he couldn't attend the meetings and continued to ask questions, similar to what a lot of posters on here are asking but Andrew still didn't answer. He seemed quite persistent.

There then followed a tweet from Holyrood Boxing accusing the tweeter (is that a word?) of being an "agent of the board" who was "happy" that we got relegated and that STF had stolen ER. Also the hashtag #Bam (good Edinburgh word that). This was immediately retweeted by Andrew Sibley who was then asked by a couple of posters about the accusation of theft made against STF and pointed the people asking questions in the direction of Hands on Hibs (not Holyrood Boxing although Hands on Hibs have their own twitter account) and said it wasn't him that had made the accusation. When pressed he claimed to only retweet the offensive tweet (I am really not comfortable with the word "tweet") so that the intended recipient could "challenge" it he felt the accusations were "unfair" on him when there was really no need as the tweet sent to both Andrew and the tweeter Iain.

What do you think RIP?

[Benny Brazil]

And if you speak out about the abuse you get targeted by the bully boys and falsely accused of being a BuyHibs apologist. I'm with Dashing Bob. We need to treat each other more kindly and start working to bring all fans together.

GGTTH.

And if you speak out against BuyHibs and HoH you get falsely accused of being a "board apologist". Works both ways RIP.

[Andy74]

And if you speak out about the abuse you get targeted by the bully boys and falsely accused of being a BuyHibs apologist. I'm with Dashing Bob. We need to treat each other more kindly and start working to bring all fans together.

GGTTH.

Sniping on each board then running. Your posts have been some of the most personal and abusive on this subject. On the PM board too.

Heading to the bounce and categorising us all as well.

This victim act is getting a bit bizarre.

[Pretty Boy]

And if you speak out about the abuse you get targeted by the bully boys and falsely accused of being a BuyHibs apologist. I'm with Dashing Bob. We need to treat each other more kindly and start working to bring all fans together.

GGTTH.

How does trying to discredit and bad mouth posters on here over on the Bounce fit into treating others more kindly?

I see you have once again skilfully ignored several replies to your 'woe is me' post on the PM board.

I think several others have covered these points as well but it would be good to get an explanation on how you believe your personal and abusive attacks differ from the ones you believe have been made against yourself.

[Ronniekirk]

There is nothing new to say ,and I for one can't be bothered with who is taking whose side and all the sniping going on at present Its not achieving anything .i am now waiting till the AGM as I think that's now when there will be some clarity on what Board see as the way forward , and then some meaningful debate can begin again .Can we not have a Moritorium in the lead up to Christmass with Peace ,Love and Goodwill to all Hibees :tree:tree:tree

[blackpoolhibs]

And if you speak out about the abuse you get targeted by the bully boys and falsely accused of being a BuyHibs apologist. I'm with Dashing Bob. We need to treat each other more kindly and start working to bring all fans together.

GGTTH.

Abuse my arse, its folk asking questions that are NEVER answered. I should have been the easiest person for you and the HOH, Hibileaks to persuade, as nobody wanted change and a new owner more than me.

Yet every one that's come forward has made such a shambles of their campaign :faf: that even i wouldn't part with a single penny for their goals.

Now its playing the victim, don't make me laugh.

Let this go, its dead in the water now. This has also harmed anyone who actually does know what they are doing and does have the necessary business plan and funds to buy Hibs.

[CropleyWasGod]

I saw a Tweet the other day from the Holyrood Boxing Club, who seem to be taking over some of the PR for Hibileaks.

A Twatter had asked the same question, mentioned elsewhere, about STF "stealing" the assets. The reply was along the same lines, accusing the Twatter of being an "agent", but signing off with the hashtag SecretSexWorker

Bams and sex workers unite. :aok:

[brog]

There is nothing new to say ,and I for one can't be bothered with who is taking whose side and all the sniping going on at present Its not achieving anything .i am now waiting till the AGM as I think that's now when there will be some clarity on what Board see as the way forward , and then some meaningful debate can begin again .Can we not have a Moritorium in the lead up to Christmass with Peace ,Love and Goodwill to all Hibees :tree:tree:tree

:top marks
What I feared has happened, we have the unedifying spectacle of Hibs Fans attacking each other with all the grace & maturity of kids brawling in the playground. It's pathetic really & I would ask all netters to review their posts before submitting. If the main content of the post is an attack on another netter please think again. And please, no posts saying but he/she started it, that would really confirm the playground analogy.
PS, Admins could help by setting a model example.