How will Scotland vote come September 18th?

[EH54]

Is that a prediction or the latest poll?

prediction i don't tend to follow opinion polls when it comes to elections etc look how wrong they was in 2011, having been on the talking to people on the streets for the past year and taking part in street stalls and canvasing going to events the momentum is with YES and my prediction will be close to 60-40 in favor of yes

[Leith Green]

prediction i don't tend to follow opinion polls when it comes to elections etc look how wrong they was in 2011, having been on the talking to people on the streets for the past year and taking part in street stalls and canvasing going to events the momentum is with YES and my prediction will be close to 60-40 in favor of yes

I dont think so, if Yes win then it ll be tight.

[steakbake]

I dont think so, if Yes win then it ll be tight.

I think a win either way will be very tight, which brings it's own problems.

Given that a few months ago, polls were predicting a double digits win for No... now we're into fractions of a percent.

I simply have no idea how this will turn out. I don't believe there is a silent majority for no. Equally, I have no idea how or why 97% of the electorate have signed up and what that means.

I don't believe the polls because they are so superficial, especially with so many people signed up to vote, most polls being phone polls to landlines - who even uses one of those these days??!?

[Hibrandenburg]

60%-40% YES :thumbsup:

??????

[Leith Green]

I think a win either way will be very tight, which brings it's own problems.

Given that a few months ago, polls were predicting a double digits win for No... now we're into fractions of a percent.

I simply have no idea how this will turn out. I don't believe there is a silent majority for no. Equally, I have no idea how or why 97% of the electorate have signed up and what that means.

I don't believe the polls because they are so superficial, especially with so many people signed up to vote, most polls being phone polls to landlines - who even uses one of those these days??!?


I think Nos silent majority chat comes from the past year or so, when the polls and opinion was 60/40 towards No ,i think that has gone out the window the past couple of months though..

Having wanted Scottish independence all my life, to come close and not win on Friday is genuinely going to break my heart. Obviously a win whatever the margin will be amazing

[EH54]

??????


Thread title is

How will Scotland vote come September 18th? (http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?289121-How-will-Scotland-vote-come-September-18th/page17)
60%-40% is my prediction in favor of Yes :)

[Hibrandenburg]

Thread title is

How will Scotland vote come September 18th? (http://www.hibs.net/showthread.php?289121-How-will-Scotland-vote-come-September-18th/page17)
60%-40% is my prediction in favor of Yes :)

FFS, you got me all excited again. Try quoting what you're replying to please.

:greengrin

[EH54]

FFS, you got me all excited again. Try quoting what you're replying to please.

:greengrin

I was you posted question marks on my first post :confused: you have me all confused haha

[Phil D. Rolls]

prediction i don't tend to follow opinion polls when it comes to elections etc look how wrong they was in 2011, having been on the talking to people on the streets for the past year and taking part in street stalls and canvasing going to events the momentum is with YES and my prediction will be close to 60-40 in favor of yes

Thanks, very insightful. :rolleyes:

[#FromTheCapital]

I think Nos silent majority chat comes from the past year or so, when the polls and opinion was 60/40 towards No ,i think that has gone out the window the past couple of months though..

Having wanted Scottish independence all my life, to come close and not win on Friday is genuinely going to break my heart. Obviously a win whatever the margin will be amazing

Im not sure about a silent 'majority' but I'm fairly certain that there are many silent no voters just going about their business and not getting caught up in the debate.
of course this could work both ways. My girlfriend for example is swaying towards yes but is not getting too involved in anything and is generally playing her cards close to her chest because she can see how much divide this is causing. She tends not to discuss it much... Even with me :greengrin

[EH54]

Thanks, very insightful. :rolleyes:

Cheers mate :na na:

[Phil D. Rolls]

Cheers mate much appreciated :na na:

:aok::greengrin

[snooky]

If ever there was a day when the expression "Close your eyes, lie back and think of England" was relevant, then 18th Sept is it.

[Hibbyradge]

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Even nature is telling us to vote YES! :thumbsup:

[WeeRussell]

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Even nature is telling us to vote YES! :thumbsup:

:saltireflag Beautiful! :thumbsup:

[Beefster]

If ever there was a day when the expression "Close your eyes, lie back and think of England" was relevant, then 18th Sept is it.

Why?

[Hibrandenburg]

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Even nature is telling us to vote YES! :thumbsup:
Ha ha! I posted that on a British ex military forum I'm a member of a couple of days ago. You wouldn't believe the abuse I got :greengrin

[Bristolhibby]

Ha ha! I posted that on a British ex military forum I'm a member of a couple of days ago. You wouldn't believe the abuse I got :greengrin

Gawd bless em though.

God forbid part of the UK not wanting to be part of the UK.

The Empire is over lads, Britannia does not rule the waves.

J

[Hibrandenburg]

Gawd bless em though.

God forbid part of the UK not wanting to be part of the UK.

The Empire is over lads, Britannia does not rule the waves.

J

There was also a thread about the Telegraph's dead soldier headline. There were a hell of a lot of masks fell and the abuse thrown at the Scots lads who expressed their distaste with the headline was disgusting to say the least.

Took me right back to my army days it did. :greengrin

[snooky]

Why?

Okay. (I suppose it applies mostly to the undecided). Here's what I was meaning ...

Think of what you are giving up - i.e. the Union with England, etc. That may be important to you.
Think of what you are getting out of - i.e. the Union with England, etc. That might be important to you.

That was the sentiment I was trying to get across.

[Beefster]

Okay. (I suppose it applies mostly to the undecided). Here's what I was meaning ...

Think of what you are giving up - i.e. the Union with England, etc. That may be important to you.
Think of what you are getting out of - i.e. the Union with England, etc. That might be important to you.

That was the sentiment I was trying to get across.

The union is with England, Wales and NI.

[snooky]

The union is with England, Wales and NI.

Agreed, hence the "etc"


(I think Wales and NI will actually become 'closer' to Scotland if there's a Yes vote.)

[Phil D. Rolls]

Agreed, hence the "etc"


(I think Wales and NI will actually become 'closer' to Scotland if there's a Yes vote.)

Despite the fact that the Protestant majority are Unionists?

[snooky]

Despite the fact that the Protestant majority are Unionists?

Good point - but I still think the same.

For reference purposes only ...
2011 census (P/C in Northern Ireland) = 53% P, 44% C
2012 census (P/C in Scotland) = 35% P, 15% C

[Phil D. Rolls]

Good point - but I still think the same.

For reference purposes only ...
2011 census (P/C in Northern Ireland) = 53% P, 44% C
2012 census (P/C in Scotland) = 35% P, 15% C

I was suggesting that the majority of people in NI favour the union. Have you got evidence to suggest otherwise?

[NAE NOOKIE]

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Even nature is telling us to vote YES! :thumbsup:

For a nation whose flag is by legend inspired by a cloud formation that's quite spooky. ...... Love it :greengrin

[JeMeSouviens]

The union is with England, Wales and NI.

No, it's really not. The Scotland-England union of 1707 created Great Britain. The Great Britain-Ireland union of 1800 created the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (subsequently amended with an 'N'). Poor old Wales was incorporated into England by conquest.

[s.a.m]

No, it's really not. The Scotland-England union of 1707 created Great Britain. The Great Britain-Ireland union of 1800 created the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (subsequently amended with an 'N'). Poor old Wales was incorporated into England by conquest.

:nerd: Pedantry alert (with apologies)...is Great Britain not just the name of the largest of the British Isles, with the 'Kingdom of Great Britain' being the name for the political entity that was established in 1707? As far as I'm aware, we will remain part of Great Britain until there is some sort of massive seismic event that rips the island apart, or someone saws us off at the border.

[CropleyWasGod]

:nerd: Pedantry alert (with apologies)...is Great Britain not just the name of the largest of the British Isles, with the 'Kingdom of Great Britain' being the name for the political entity that was established in 1707? As far as I'm aware, we will remain part of Great Britain, until there is some sort of massive seismic event that rips the island apart, or someone saws us off at the border.

I'm with you on that... being a pedant and a geography nerd.

All of which led me to a merry rant at Andy Nicol last week when he expressed concern that iScottish players might not be eligible for the Lions.:rolleyes:

[Mibbes Aye]

:nerd: Pedantry alert (with apologies)...is Great Britain not just the name of the largest of the British Isles, with the 'Kingdom of Great Britain' being the name for the political entity that was established in 1707? As far as I'm aware, we will remain part of Great Britain, until there is some sort of massive seismic event that rips the island apart, or someone saws us off at the border.

Three days to go and we still don't know how an independent Scotland would respond to a massive seismic event that rips the island apart.

No doubt it will be Westminster's fault but what's your Plan A, Salmond?

I'm not even asking for a Plan B just tell us what Plan A is!

[CropleyWasGod]

Three days to go and we still don't know how an independent Scotland would respond to a massive seismic event that rips the island apart.

No doubt it will be Westminster's fault but what's your Plan A, Salmond?

I'm not even asking for a Plan B just tell us what Plan A is!

Semtex along the border.... although we might make a wee detour and take back Berwick. :cb

And then, boom... sail off into the North Sea, taking care that our territorial waters still include the juiciest of the oil fields.

[JeMeSouviens]

:nerd: Pedantry alert (with apologies)...is Great Britain not just the name of the largest of the British Isles, with the 'Kingdom of Great Britain' being the name for the political entity that was established in 1707? As far as I'm aware, we will remain part of Great Britain until there is some sort of massive seismic event that rips the island apart, or someone saws us off at the border.

Out-pedanted, goddamit! :rolleyes:

[s.a.m]

Out-pedanted, goddamit! :rolleyes:

:thumbsup:

[Hibrandenburg]

Semtex along the border.... although we might make a wee detour and take back Berwick. :cb

And then, boom... sail off into the North Sea, taking care that our territorial waters still include the juiciest of the oil fields.

Turn all the wind turbines simultaneously towards north east and it's off to the Caribbean.

[degenerated]

For a nation whose flag is by legend inspired by a cloud formation that's quite spooky. ...... Love it :greengrin
I saw this one on Twitter
http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/09/15/0245e029b7b6fcd50df5e3a8d9a14407.jpg

[Phil D. Rolls]

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Even nature is telling us to vote YES! :thumbsup:

I see a dog begging on its hind legs.

[hibsbollah]

I see a dog begging on its hind legs.

A poodle enthralled to a mightier dog bent on world domination across a wide blue expanse of ocean :agree: gotta love these geopolitical cloud metaphors.

[hibsbollah]

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29176884

We'll know in 84 hours. Exciting.

[Betty Boop]

Irvine Welsh and Martin Amos on Channel 4 news.

[Leith Green]

Irvine Welsh and Martin Amos on Channel 4 news.

Anything relating to the referendum?

[Stranraer]

Irvine Welsh and Martin Amos on Channel 4 news.

Thanks for the heads up, love Irvine Welsh. Does he talk about the referendum or the Sex Lives of Siamese Twins? Either would be good :greengrin

[Betty Boop]

Thanks for the heads up, love Irvine Welsh. Does he talk about the referendum or the Sex Lives of Siamese Twins? Either would be good :greengrin


Anything relating to the referendum?

Yea. Catch it on 4+1.

[Stranraer]

Yea. Catch it on 4+1.

Stuck it on, is he on near the end of the programme?

[Stranraer]

Question regarding polling day

I have a very large placard with a Yes slogan on it and live right across from a polling station. Am I allowed to put it up in my garden or are there restrictions on how far campaign material can be from the station?

[johnbc70]

Question regarding polling day

I have a very large placard with a Yes slogan on it and live right across from a polling station. Am I allowed to put it up in my garden or are there restrictions on how far campaign material can be from the station?

Its your garden so put it up if you want. There will be people outside no doubt with posters, signs etc. Do not think there is any restrictions.

[Sir David Gray]

Question regarding polling day

I have a very large placard with a Yes slogan on it and live right across from a polling station. Am I allowed to put it up in my garden or are there restrictions on how far campaign material can be from the station?

I'm sure people will be going into vote wearing Yes/No t-shirts, badges, stickers etc so I don't see how anyone can stop you from putting a placard up on your own property.

[snooky]

I was suggesting that the majority of people in NI favour the union. Have you got evidence to suggest otherwise?

Not really, just a gut feeling that they will have closer ties. Just my opinion.

[Stranraer]

Its your garden so put it up if you want. There will be people outside no doubt with posters, signs etc. Do not think there is any restrictions.

Good stuff, I'll wear my Yes t-shirt in the polling booth then :)

[Jack]

:nerd: Pedantry alert (with apologies)...is Great Britain not just the name of the largest of the British Isles, with the 'Kingdom of Great Britain' being the name for the political entity that was established in 1707? As far as I'm aware, we will remain part of Great Britain until there is some sort of massive seismic event that rips the island apart, or someone saws us off at the border.

Fracking!

Westminster has sold licences all along Hadrians Wall.

At 10pm on Thursday ....

[Keith_M]

My feeling (once again) is that there are a lot of people that genuinely believe in the Union and many others that believe in Independence.

I have no issue with anyone voting for what they really believe in. That is to be admired in a Democracy. Even though I'm in the Yes camp, I admire posters like Beefster and Eyrie who are very passionate in their belief in the Union and have tried to present their case logically.


The problem is that there are also lots of people that either do not have a particularly strong allegiance to either side or really don't know. IMHO, it must be very difficult for them to make an informed decision given a Government backed 'Project Fear' campaign and the obvious bias of the printed press.

Given the third category, and its circumstances, I think there'll be a No vote.