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    Quote Originally Posted by jacomoseven View Post
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    To be fair, there's also the natty holsters to think about, so that the refs can have the can easily accessible at all times. That could cost another £100 or so.

    Probably best if the SFA act on this with their usual urgency and efficiency, and convene a special working group to meet for regular long lunches over the next 3 and a bit years to discuss the innovation. They can then produce a report just in time for the next World Cup.
    They are against it as it could be used as an empirical measure of the incompetence of their employees.

    And they'd rather keep that as a conspiracy theory.


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    Every now and then somebody comes up with a really simple idea that solves a problem that people have been struggling with for years. And you think why did nobody think of that before? The free kick spray was definitely one of those.

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    And not as new as some people think.

    In the 1980s the first version was developed by a company consisting, amongst others, of Sir Bobby Charlton and FA referee, Neil Midgely. The English FA rejected the idea, failing even to attend field trials. Approaches to Adidas's English office to develop the product were rejected. The first use in a professional level was in the 2000 Brazilian Championship, Copa João Havelange. A successful commercial version was invented in 2002 by Argentinian entrepreneur Pablo Silva and called it "9-15". The spray has been patented by Brazilian inventor Heine Allemagne since October 29, 2002 although it is not the version FIFA uses. Since then, the spray has been used in many international football competitions. In June 2014 the spray's latest commercial version, "9-15", made its debut in the FIFA 2014 World Cup.

    The 2011 Copa América tournament was the first tournament for national teams to use the spray. Its success caused it to be adopted by several national leagues in 2011 in the America's including the North American MLS association. It has also been used in the 2013 FIFA U-20 World Cup in Turkey, the 2014 UEFA European Under-17 Championship in Malta and Gozo, and the 2014 FIFA World Cup in Brazil.

    The first World Cup match to feature the vanishing spray was the opening game of the 2014 FIFA World Cup between Brazil and Croatia on 12 June, used by referee Yuichi Nishimura.
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    Going to be used in the Premier League this coming season

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    Don't forget that you'll have to train the referees to use the can. I'm not sure of the level of training required, but let's assume its roughly the level of a bachelor honours degree. Such degrees cost around 36k, so if you consider that cost for 10 referees it equates to 360k.

    No way could we afford to do this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dashing Bob S View Post
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    No need for any changes or innovations in the Scottish game. With 3 or our top 5 clubs in the lower division, its perfect as it is.
    Don't forget Hearts as well DBS.

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    Done a lot of brazilian games and they also use chalk dust if it's to wet to use the cans. As for bringing it I'n to Scottish football the SFA will need to ask the Ugly sisters for permission. GGTTH

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    Don't forget Hearts as well DBS.
    My mistake - stuck in all this Hibs-Rangers-Falkirk nonsense.

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    They have been using it in the MLS for a long time. Its just accepted and players just seem to accept it without too much comment.

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    I'd like to see linesmen using it, too, to mark out where the throw in should be taken from.

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    Given that I can't recall Sellik of The Huns ever retreating 10 yards at a free kick, referees would be terrified of offending them and, thereby, jeopardising their cances of landing a cup final.

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    EPL are going to use it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1950's hibbie View Post
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    They have been using it in the MLS for a long time. Its just accepted and players just seem to accept it without too much comment.
    What's for them to comment on..."There's a line, the correct distance from the ball. Stay behind it". To reject something so universally acclaimed as a step forward, is a complete disgrace. These dinosaurs need an extinction level event

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Milne View Post
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    Given that I can't recall Sellik of The Huns ever retreating 10 yards at a free kick, referees would be terrified of offending them and, thereby, jeopardising their cances of landing a cup final.
    maybe celtic football club and the new huns players could have a canister each and tell the ref were they should stand at free kicks.

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    maybe celtic football club and the new huns players could have a canister each and tell the ref were they should stand at free kicks.
    Not much different from what they do already, frankly!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by truehibernian View Post
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    It's not the spray that is the issue in Scotland......it's the fact that ref's here measure in Liliputian yards and not human ones, so the spray is the least of our worries.

    No, the refs measure in Glaswegian yards.

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    If the decision is being made purely on cost then charge the clubs and extra £10 for officiating each game.

    We need some innovative individuals running the Scottish game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glory Lurker View Post
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    I'd like to see linesmen using it, too, to mark out where the throw in should be taken from.
    That would really help make watching football much better, a linesman running back 15 yards to mark where a throw in should be taken just in case a player steals a couple of yards, do we hold up the game until he's back in position?.....How would it work in the half where the linesman doesn't go past the half way line?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldenEagle View Post
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    That would really help make watching football much better, a linesman running back 15 yards to mark where a throw in should be taken just in case a player steals a couple of yards, do we hold up the game until he's back in position?.....How would it work in the half where the linesman doesn't go past the half way line?
    Ok, apart from all that, what makes it a poor suggestion? :-)

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    Maybe the referees should just enforce the rules and not allow players to steal five or ten yards at a throw in?

    I can understand turning a blind eye to a yard or two when a throw in is taken quickly as it keeps the game moving but not when it takes several seconds for the full back to arrive, then several more whilst he edges up the line before finally throwing the ball in.
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    I am not surprised, it would just confirm what we already know...none of them can count to ten!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gettin' Auld View Post
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    Despite the success of the spray at the World Cup, according to John Fleming (The head of Referee Operations at the SFA) there is no real need to use the spray in Scotland.

    Aye, because getting players to stay 10 yards away from the ball at a free kick has never been a problem here, has it?.........FFS

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/n...y-for-referees

    TRANSLATED : 'Celtic and Rangers have told us NO as the '10 yard-rule' has never applied to them and both clubs see no reason for that to change now or in the future'

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    So let's see... it's simple, cheap, and easy to implement, it doesn't slow the game down, and, as anyone watching the World Cup could see, it's effective.

    Absolutely no place for this foreign nonsense in the Scottish game. We taught them to play in the first place. Who do they think they are, with their tactics, and their innovations, and their coherent development strategies? I fully support the SFA's brave campaign to KEEP SCOTTISH FOOTBALL S***E.

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