Alex Ferguson was Manchester United manager from November 1986 until May 2013. We all know how successful he was at MU during those 26 years. During his time, MU won 13 Premier Leagues (or predecessor), 5 FA Cups, 4 League Cups, 4 European trophies including 2 European Cups/Champions League. However, what I hadn't realised was how few trophies they won out with the Ferguson years.
Prior to Fergie, in 84 years they had won 7 predecessors to the Premier League, 6 FA Cups, no League Cups and 1 European Cups.
After Fergie, in 8 years they have won 0 Premier Leagues, 1 FA Cup, 1 League Cup and 1 Europa League.
Takeaway the Fergie years and it looks like MU are comparable to sides like Everton, Aston Villa and Sunderland, who won similar League titles and FA Cups.
So what's every ones views on MU future? Do you see them getting back to the Fergie glory years or is it inevitable that City, Chelsea and Liverpool will dominate them in future years, as they seem better placed to build on their more recent success - they've a better manager for a start.
Or will MU become the 'Aberdeen' of English football. Always referring back to the glory years under Fergie, but nowhere near the force that they were.
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30-05-2021 06:49 AM #1
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Manchester United and the Fergie years
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30-05-2021 09:56 AM #3
Before Ferguson they were still considered the biggest club in English football, despite being utterly dominated by Liverpool for the previous couple of decades. And that status goes back to 1958. That tragic event forever transformed them from a regional, semi successful northern English football club into a global phenomenon.
they’ll be back.
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30-05-2021 10:14 AM #5
Remember when Denis Law back heel relegated them. I think Liverpool were the same until Shanks then Paisley.
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30-05-2021 10:23 AM #6This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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30-05-2021 10:27 AM #7This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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30-05-2021 10:30 AM #8
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was very good , worth a watch
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30-05-2021 10:43 AM #9This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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30-05-2021 10:43 AM #10
Too big a club now. Just a good manager away from being there or there abouts. Mental they persist with Ole.
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30-05-2021 10:47 AM #11This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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30-05-2021 10:51 AM #12This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Out of your two options I’d say they’re headed towards being the Aberdeen of English football. Or another arsenal. They’ll continue to be a huge global brand though.
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30-05-2021 10:54 AM #13This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Last edited by BILLYHIBS; 30-05-2021 at 10:57 AM.
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30-05-2021 10:54 AM #14This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Ps: any chance of seeing the prediction league final table. I would like to offer the winner my cup final program as a prize
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30-05-2021 10:56 AM #15This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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30-05-2021 11:02 AM #16This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Comparisons with hibs are laughable.
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30-05-2021 11:14 AM #17This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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30-05-2021 11:15 AM #18
I was only a kid pre-Fergie but I still remember them being quite a weird phenomenon - loads of kids had them as their favourite English club, even though they hadn't won anything for donkeys and were really quite pish. It was funny how they turned into being the club for the gloryhunters not long after that.
Like Liverpool and their recent league title, it was quite a big deal when Fergie won them their first one in a while because it had become "a thing", especially considering the rate at which Liverpool had been hoovering them up over the previous couple of decades.
I have to say I find that level of football really dull and uninteresting these days - bland, corporate crap. I didn't watch the game between Russian oil and Saudi oil last night but via WhatsApp realised it was on. As an outsider looking in, Man Utd are just a huge, global brand that people choose to attach themselves to from all corners of the globe and I just find them utterly vanilla - the same as all these other bland, soulless entities that billions of people attach themselves to.
It's a shame because late 80s and into the 90s all of these clubs were interesting and dripping with character. And when you watch some of the documentaries (the recent Fergie one and I watched a Liverpool one fairly recently) you realise that deep down there is a beating heart and a football club still in there somewhere beneath the thousands of daytripper fans, the image rights, the breakaway leagues to make very rich people even richer etc...
But essential they're all just vehicles via which to sell rubbish to people, for despicable people who have got rich through being nasty, ruthless c**** and who have money but no popularity to attempt to buy some. It's not really about sport, competition or winning, or about community spirit, collectivism or shared experience and much as they try to tell us all that it is.
I really need to get round to cancelling my Sky...Last edited by Smartie; 30-05-2021 at 11:20 AM.
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30-05-2021 11:16 AM #19This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
highest average attendances in the country in all but two seasons of the previous 3 decades prior to the 90s. 50k crowds in the second division etc. For all their success Liverpool couldn’t get near their crowds most of the time. United were huge. Ferguson took them to another level.
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30-05-2021 11:20 AM #20This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Ole has done okay, but no better than Mourinho really and he gets slaughtered for his time at United.
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30-05-2021 11:22 AM #21This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I'll let you off
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30-05-2021 11:24 AM #22This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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30-05-2021 11:32 AM #23
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30-05-2021 11:36 AM #24
Everton and City were always regarded as the established, the main sides of their respective cities. Everton even more so as City and Utd were always fairly even but City just shaded it.
It took Busby and Shanks to change all that. Up until the mid 60s Everton were substantially the bigger club in anyway you would wish to measure, hard to make a comparison nowadays. Perhaps Chelsea versus Fulham/Brentford/QPR would be a fair one.
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30-05-2021 11:56 AM #25This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Wish it would happen again.
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30-05-2021 11:58 AM #26
Utd were a big club in those days before Fergie, but i dont think they were as world wide as they are now, as there was not the huge gap there is now in terms of income then.
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30-05-2021 12:19 PM #28
Utd were the biggest club growing up in the 70s in terms of support with Liverpool not far behind. In terms of success Liverpool were streets ahead and Man U mainly a cup side. Both were starting to get the worldwide attention they are famous for now.
As for the future both have such a standing it's hard to see either not being there or thereabouts for the foreseeable.
Strange days that they were battling against WBA, Ipswich, Leeds, Derby & Notts Forest for the League and not Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham as much.
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30-05-2021 12:34 PM #29This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Again, I’d say I’m surprised the admins allow it, but it seems some are exempt from following the rules of the forum. A thread even had to be locked the other day due to it yet it’s allowed to continue.Last edited by calumhibee1; 30-05-2021 at 12:39 PM.
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30-05-2021 12:35 PM #30This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
If you’re consistently not realistic contenders for winning the title then you’re not one of the best teams in that country anymore imo.Last edited by calumhibee1; 30-05-2021 at 12:59 PM.
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