Butcher

**1875Sean** · 21-01-2022 11:09 PM

Interesting read from our ex player Tim Clancy, we all know how bad butcher was but this is the second ex Hibs player along with Thommo who has came out in the last few weeks saying how that spell under him taught him what not to do in management. (Not sure is link will work as posting on phone)

https://www.the42.ie/tim-clancy-st-pats-5652977-Jan2022/

***judas*** · 22-01-2022 08:43 PM

Originally Posted by 1875Sean

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Interesting read from our ex player Tim Clancy, we all know how bad butcher was but this is the second ex Hibs player along with Thommo who has came out in the last few weeks saying how that spell under him taught him what not to do in management. (Not sure is link will work as posting on phone)

https://www.the42.ie/tim-clancy-st-p...52977-Jan2022/

Clancy was a disappointment

Butcher was a walking catastrophe

**truehibernian** · 22-01-2022 09:00 PM

Tim Clancy stole a wage at Hibs, awful player and professional, more interested in Twitter and boxing quips. Butcher was as awful as Tim.

Heart of a mouse too, played on 'injuries' - best thing he ever did was take a throw at Tynie and tell the fan he smelled. A truly awful player. Butcher probably told him the truth - he was lilian gish

**hibbydog** · 23-01-2022 07:40 AM

Och I find all of these ex players slating ex managers very cheap and undignified. Kevin Thomson been at it too.

No problem having these opinions, but probably best kept to yourself if you’re a professional.

Not Hibs class

**Big_Franck** · 23-01-2022 08:03 AM

Clancy has a cheek, he was a wage thief. Pretended to be injured during his entire time with us. The odd time he did actually play he was absolute gash.

**hibsbollah** · 23-01-2022 08:35 AM

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Clancy has a cheek, he was a wage thief. Pretended to be injured during his entire time with us. The odd time he did actually play he was absolute gash.

I’m not sure how he has a cheek, or why anyone getting peed off at him for what he’s said in that article. He’s basically saying Butchers an arse, which is hard to disagree with.

***Hibbyradge*** · 23-01-2022 08:43 AM

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Clancy has a cheek, he was a wage thief. Pretended to be injured during his entire time with us. The odd time he did actually play he was absolute gash.

Are you sure his injuries were faked?

**hibsbollah** · 23-01-2022 08:51 AM

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Are you sure his injuries were faked?

I find it very difficult to believe. His career was ruined by niggly injuries wherever he went, I think it’s much more likely he was just unlucky. What a terrible group of players we had in our defence back then. Mcgivern Nelson past it Maybury and Fraser Mullan.

***Winston Ingram*** · 23-01-2022 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by 1875Sean

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Interesting read from our ex player Tim Clancy, we all know how bad butcher was but this is the second ex Hibs player along with Thommo who has came out in the last few weeks saying how that spell under him taught him what not to do in management. (Not sure is link will work as posting on phone)

https://www.the42.ie/tim-clancy-st-p...52977-Jan2022/

I had a pal who was at Hibs at the time and the stuff he told me about what Butcher and Malpas were up to beggared belief.

His treatment of Harris, Stanton and Forster was appalling and I know that that was something Thomson clashed with Butcher and Malpas over.

I often wonder how those 3’s career’s would’ve panned out if we didn’t appoint that pair.

**Crunchie** · 23-01-2022 09:03 AM

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I’m not sure how he has a cheek, or why anyone getting peed off at him for what he’s said in that article. He’s basically saying Butchers an arse, which is hard to disagree with.

His biggest mistake was telling the Prima donnas in the team their gig was up at the end of the season, that includes Clancy, Thomson and a few others who downed tools and got us relegated.

**1875Sean** · 23-01-2022 09:05 AM

We had a poor run of managers with Calderwood, Fenlon and Butcher, although Fenlon was responsible for some of the worse results in our history I have more of a dislike for Butcher

**MWHIBBIES** · 23-01-2022 09:28 AM

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We had a poor run of managers with Calderwood, Fenlon and Butcher, although Fenlon was responsible for some of the worse results in our history I have more of a dislike for Butcher

Only fair to balance it out and say fenlon managed some great wins too. Fenlon was miles better than butcher and Calderwood

**TelaStella** · 23-01-2022 09:37 AM

Was Clancy actually still around by that time? Can’t for the life of me remember him kicking a ball that season. Wage thief alright.

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**MWHIBBIES** · 23-01-2022 09:40 AM

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Was Clancy actually still around by that time? Can’t for the life of me remember him kicking a ball that season. Wage thief alright.

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He was injured. Don't think that's fair to call an injured player a wage theif. He was rubbish after a decent start, but he just had injuries.

Was Scott Allan a wage theif last season?

***Hibbyradge*** · 23-01-2022 09:54 AM

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He was injured. Don't think that's fair to call an injured player a wage theif. He was rubbish after a decent start, but he just had injuries.

Was Scott Allan a wage theif last season?

Exactly.

What do you want to be when you grow up, son, a football player?

"No, dad, I will become good at football, but I want to sign for a team then pretend I'm injured all the time so I get paid for doing nothing until they end my contract and I can't get work anywhere else because of my history of injuries".

"Good lad".

**~~loanheadhibby~~** · 23-01-2022 11:13 AM

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I’m not sure how he has a cheek, or why anyone getting peed off at him for what he’s said in that article. He’s basically saying Butchers an arse, which is hard to disagree with.

Ha has a cheek because as almost everyone has stated he contributed nothing to our great club,

***Hibbyradge*** · 23-01-2022 11:17 AM

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Ha has a cheek because as almost everyone has stated he contributed nothing to our great club,

That's a really stupid comment.

***tamig*** · 23-01-2022 11:57 AM

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Clancy has a cheek, he was a wage thief. Pretended to be injured during his entire time with us. The odd time he did actually play he was absolute gash.

What a poor comment. Any player who hardly plays due to injuries is a cheat and a “wage thief” according to you and a few others. Pathetic patter.

**Bobby's Cinema** · 23-01-2022 12:06 PM

The one that sticks on my mind is the use of Liam Craig. The guy was captain one week, on the bench or out the squad the next, then brought back as captain. His treatment of players was horrendous and ultimately he got the worst out of them. Not to mention the long ball hoof style into channels, so much for the tactical and scouting dream team up and down that A9!! Thankfully all a distant memory.

**Since452** · 23-01-2022 12:13 PM

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We had a poor run of managers with Calderwood, Fenlon and Butcher, although Fenlon was responsible for some of the worse results in our history I have more of a dislike for Butcher

At least Fenlon put his heart and soul into it and now has a genuine affection for the club. The others were just imposters. Although I think it was too big a job for him Fenlon left us in a better state than when he took over. Butcher made a **** of it. Fenlon had some horrible results but I'd still blether to him if I saw him. Not Caldewood or Butcher.

**EdinMike** · 23-01-2022 12:36 PM

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At least Fenlon put his heart and soul into it and now has a genuine affection for the club. The others were just imposters. Although I think it was too big a job for him Fenlon left us in a better state than when he took over. Butcher made a **** of it. Fenlon had some horrible results but I'd still blether to him if I saw him. Not Caldewood or Butcher.

100%

**ekhibee** · 23-01-2022 12:39 PM

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Only fair to balance it out and say fenlon managed some great wins too. Fenlon was miles better than butcher and Calderwood

Also worth mentioning that he was miles worse than quite a few others.

**Mick O'Rourke** · 23-01-2022 01:16 PM

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His biggest mistake was telling the Prima donnas in the team their gig was up at the end of the season, that includes Clancy, Thomson and a few others who downed tools and got us relegated.

That was absolutely insane telling players that,when he did.

As for his and Malpas alleged bullying of players ?
Schaedler and Blackley would have knocked both of them spark out.
So senior players it seems turned a blind eye to the bullying of younger players?
If so, shame on them.

***Hibbyradge*** · 23-01-2022 01:19 PM

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Also worth mentioning that he was miles worse than quite a few others.

it's really not worth mentioning at all.

It applies to nearly every manager since Eddie Turnbull.

Put them in order if you like; https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List..._F.C._managers

**MWHIBBIES** · 23-01-2022 02:20 PM

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Also worth mentioning that he was miles worse than quite a few others.

Considering what he inherited, Pat done okay. Good few worse than him.

**Since452** · 23-01-2022 04:14 PM

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Considering what he inherited, Pat done okay. Good few worse than him.

100%. Inherited a ****show. Club wasn't in a very good place at all. Job was too big for him but not even in the bottom 3 managers in my lifetime. Was unlucky with the likes of Deegan getting a broken jaw. Wasn't the same after it. Added a bit of steel.

**lyonhibs** · 23-01-2022 05:21 PM

Mentioning Fenlon in the same breath as Butcher and Calderwood is a hanging offence IMO. At least he cared, wasn't a bully and didn't spend his time looking in bags of sweeties. Thoroughly decent bloke as well by all accounts. Butcher and Calderwood can take a long walk off a short pier for all I care

**tomhorn** · 23-01-2022 05:39 PM

Genuinely have no memory whatsoever of him (Clancy) being at Hibs.

***Hibbyradge*** · 23-01-2022 05:42 PM

Duffy, Williamson, Calderwood, Butcher and sadly, Sauzee, were all much poorer managers than Pat Fenlon.

Even Pat Stanton and Bertie Auld had unsuccessful stints in charge. Jocky Scott was another.