I don't think whether there are symptoms is the issue. If you're vaccinated but infected, the chances are that you'll have less virus molecules in your body than somebody who isn't vaccinated, thus you'll have less to transmit.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I'm not a scientist but I think that's how it works.
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29-07-2021 10:57 AM #211
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29-07-2021 11:04 AM #212
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Whatever the reason for getting the vax it lowers the chances of spreading infection and the chances of a "heavy" infection so the result is the same - the greater good is served whether intentional or not. After everything that has been said/published I don't see how anyone can question the benefits of the vaccinations either to oneself or for the greater good.
The vaccinations may not be perfect but any percentage of immunity is better than nil percentage.
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29-07-2021 11:09 AM #213
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My point remains if you have no concern about the greater good, then you are, by definition, selfish.
I also said there would probably be more to it, as you can't get your full point across via a message board.
I'm sure most folk who aren't keen on the vaccination have concerns about what they think it might do to them. Or have other concerns.
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You didn't apologise for calling me selfish - nor my friends.
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29-07-2021 11:19 AM #215
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29-07-2021 11:31 AM #216
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My point was more regarding whether or not there's a difference in spread with vaxed vs unvaxed asymptomatics. The studies don't make this clear. The reason I brought it up was because I don't think for the football or nightclubs it makes a difference whether not you are vaxed if you can provide a negative test.
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29-07-2021 11:35 AM #217This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
It was 131 the other day
I assume his figures are worst case scenario and it won’t come to that but the idea we can have no deaths is not possible
People who have been double jabbed and get Covid could still die especially if older and underlying health issues
But most people I know now just want to get back to normal fir the rest of the summer on the assumption that winter and bad flu season could see some forms of restrictions brought back in
Nicola and Jason Leitch are both giving the message we need to continue relaxing restrictions and I expect this to continue with some mitigating factors left in place a bit longer
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Who knows?
Either way I think we're going to have to live with it pretty soon as it is endemic, which also means that like flu we'll have good and bad yrs.
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"COVID-19 vaccine efficacy and effectiveness
Vaccine efficacy refers to how well a vaccine performs in a carefully controlled clinical trial, whereas effectiveness describes its performance in real-world observational studies. Evidence demonstrates that the authorized COVID-19 vaccines are both efficacious and effective against symptomatic, laboratory-confirmed COVID-19, including severe forms of the disease. In addition, a growing body of evidence suggests that mRNA COVID-19 vaccines also reduce asymptomatic infection and transmission. Substantial reductions in SARS-CoV-2 infections (both symptomatic and asymptomatic) will reduce overall levels of disease, and therefore, viral transmission in the United States. However, investigations are ongoing to assess further the risk of transmission from fully vaccinated persons with breakthrough infections."
See, it says "a growing body of evidence".
So there!
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29-07-2021 12:18 PM #220This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteThere is no such thing as too much yarn, just not enough time.
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One indication of what the future may hold is that Scotland have released ticket details for three qualifiers this autumn, the first of which takes place on the 5th of September. It does seem as though they’re planning for a full crowd, which bodes well
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29-07-2021 02:52 PM #222
Social distancing is due to end august 9th in Scotland so that also means queues and gaps in seating arrangements won’t matter - you can also mingle at bars etc.
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29-07-2021 03:15 PM #225
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The SFA (in their rare wisdom) have even set the prices pretty reasonable for the Moldova qualifier at Hampden in September - £20 for an adult ticket and £5 for juniors/seniors!
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In any case there seems to me that the way out of this thing is vaccination and, in the meantime, a gradual easing of other measures but without going too mental too soon.
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29-07-2021 09:10 PM #231This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show QuoteThere is no such thing as too much yarn, just not enough time.
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