Hibs fans at the Scottish Cup Final

**MunsterHibee** · 14-05-2021 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by hibbysam

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Yuup, lockdowns should have been to protect vulnerable, they’re now protected as much as they will be. Let the rest of us loose. We’re all big and ugly enough to make our own decisions.

I agree tbh. Like I said even when the vast majority of people are fully vaccinated there's still going to be cases. Theres no full cure for the virus. We have to have a plan to live with it and move on and live our lives. Once the most vulnerable are protected then open society up.

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**~~660~~** · 14-05-2021 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by hibbysam

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Because many haven’t been vaccinated yet, so of course cases will still be there. Those cases don’t necessarily translate into hospitalisation and deaths, in fact are very unlikely to. The vaccine reduces transmission but doesn’t kill it completely, therefore cases should never be the measure anymore. In fact, I’d go as far as to say young, healthy people should no longer be wasting their time by getting themselves tested.

Are you an epidemiologist

**Zazu62** · 14-05-2021 08:13 PM

Why do cases matter?

**MunsterHibee** · 14-05-2021 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

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In a couple of months time, almost all adults will have had 1 dose and the vulnerable will be fully vaccinated. Things will be much calmer.

We are on the last lap but not quite there yet.

I really hope so mate. It's two and a half months until the new season starts so there will be a huge chunk of the population vaccinated by then.

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***BoomtownHibees*** · 14-05-2021 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by 660

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Are you an epidemiologist

Dentist

**Gordy M** · 14-05-2021 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by hibbysam

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Because many haven’t been vaccinated yet, so of course cases will still be there. Those cases don’t necessarily translate into hospitalisation and deaths, in fact are very unlikely to. The vaccine reduces transmission but doesn’t kill it completely, therefore cases should never be the measure anymore. In fact, I’d go as far as to say young, healthy people should no longer be wasting their time by getting themselves tested.

Yes but the transmission was going down rapidly then all of a sudden it then starts to go up again, you have to try and investigate what, where and why? Surely.

**hibbysam** · 14-05-2021 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by Gordy M

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Yes but the transmission was going down rapidly then all of a sudden it then starts to go up again, you have to try and investigate what, where and why? Surely.

Yes, they started to open places back up again. Exactly as the dentist described, yet when it happens **** hits the fan. It’s common sense.

**hibbysam** · 14-05-2021 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by 660

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Are you an epidemiologist

Do you need to be? The dentist himself told us all this scenario would happen, and that was fine, yet when it does happen he freaks out and shuts everything down. Just like last year he told us we’d have to live with it once the most vulnerable were vaccinated, well guess what, that’s been done so let’s live with it.

**JeMeSouviens** · 14-05-2021 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by gaz1875

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What have they got right that no other part of the UK have done?

In terms of deaths, which are the ultimate stat you can’t fudge.

NI - 113
Scot - 140
Wal - 176
Eng - 199

Deaths per 100k population.

England’s death rate is 40% higher than ours and mostly that’s due to tighter restrictions after an equally bad start in the first wave.

**Tambo** · 14-05-2021 08:20 PM

Bit of a joke really. Guess there will be no rangers fans out and about tomorrow.

**007** · 14-05-2021 08:21 PM

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That's a really good idea.

I do sometimes surprise myself and come up with a good idea now and then. I couldn't even find what it is that's on at Murrayfield on the 22nd so it can't be that big an event that couldn't be moved to Easter Road without too much difficulty. Probably too much of a hassle for the GFA to try and organise though.

**Gordy M** · 14-05-2021 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by hibbysam

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Yes, they started to open places back up again. Exactly as the dentist described, yet when it happens **** hits the fan. It’s common sense.

But it hasnt, its happened in small pockets, hence why some areas are 1, some 2 and some 3. The one in Glasgow is apparently the same outbreak as India, which was never been here before. Surely you have to make sure its not an issue? Its spreading when all the other areas are reducing.

**gaz1875** · 14-05-2021 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by bingo70

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I think when the pandemic was at its worst they generally acted quicker.

I may be wrong with this but I don’t think they promoted the eat out to help out promotion when we were still on the middle of a pandemic with no vaccine?

They didn’t award multi million pound contracts to their pals.

They showed a human side by offering a payment to NHS staff (even if it was flawed)

They wanted to close the borders before England did too, unfortunately had limited powers to do so, it also would have been pointless unless England and sales did it too.

I appreciate this part of the discussion is for the holy ground and I’m sure I’ll have got parts of the above wrong. I’m no politician, I’m just trying to stress that my criticism of the Scottish governments route out of the pandemic isn’t coming from a political angle.

I like this Scottish government (most, not all the time) but I think they’re a shambles here and quite honestly look out their depth dealing with it IMO.

Of course you can believe what you like with the above and I could counter of these.

I do agree with the latest shambles part. Before today's decision you could sit in a bar 1m apart but in an open air stadium you need to sit 2m apart. This is down to the shear hatred of football and the fans she has.

**AugustaHibs** · 14-05-2021 08:23 PM

Whilst America have announced people who are vaccinated can now go back to normal life we are ****ting the bed over 600 people in a football stadium

**~~northstandhibby~~** · 14-05-2021 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

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In terms of deaths, which are the ultimate stat you can’t fudge.

NI - 113
Scot - 140
Wal - 176
Eng - 199

Deaths per 100k population.

England’s death rate is 40% higher than ours and mostly that’s due to tighter restrictions after an equally bad start in the first wave.

How did a farcical cock up by the sfa and scottish government turn into a bash the english?

**gaz1875** · 14-05-2021 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by JeMeSouviens

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In terms of deaths, which are the ultimate stat you can’t fudge.

NI - 113
Scot - 140
Wal - 176
Eng - 199

Deaths per 100k population.

England’s death rate is 40% higher than ours and mostly that’s due to tighter restrictions after an equally bad start in the first wave.

I'm not fudging anything.

Where did you get these from?

***bingo70*** · 14-05-2021 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by gaz1875

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Of course you can believe what you like with the above and I could counter of these.

I do agree with the latest shambles part. Before today's decision you could sit in a bar 1m apart but in an open air stadium you need to sit 2m apart. This is down to the shear hatred of football and the fans she has.

I thought that too for a while. It’s annoyed me for ages that football fans are treated like **** in this country.

The flip side to that though is that football rules are surely in line with other industries that rely on crowds. Rugby, horse racing, cinemas, theatres (although I know the last two aren’t the same with them being indoors)

***blackpoolhibs*** · 14-05-2021 08:26 PM

Can you imagine the tears and snotters if we'd had time for a ballet.

**Andy74** · 14-05-2021 08:29 PM

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Can you imagine the tears and snotters if we'd had time for a ballet.

Very cultured.

**HoboHarry** · 14-05-2021 08:30 PM

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Whilst America have announced people who are vaccinated can now go back to normal life we are ****ting the bed over 600 people in a football stadium

Where I live there are no restrictions in going to eateries or anywhere else. Masks in schools are optional from June 1st. No one asks if you've been vaccinated. In short life is pretty much normal and still no fleets of ambulances picking up the dead and dying. Funny thing that.....

***scoopyboy*** · 14-05-2021 08:30 PM

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Can you imagine the tears and snotters if we'd had time for a ballet.

We should still have it

***Hibernia&Alba*** · 14-05-2021 08:31 PM

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Can you imagine the tears and snotters if we'd had time for a ballet.

Not my thing, though I don't mind a bit of opera.

***Hiber-nation*** · 14-05-2021 08:32 PM

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Can you imagine the tears and snotters if we'd had time for a ballet.

Swan Lake please but as long as it's the Madness version 😁

**JeMeSouviens** · 14-05-2021 08:33 PM

Originally Posted by gaz1875

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I'm not fudging anything.

Where did you get these from?

Didn’t say you did. Merely pointing out that Ni is best, followed by Scotland, Wales and England worst. You asked what Scotgov got right. It has kept people here safer, but not as safe as NI.

source - https://www.travellingtabby.com/uk-coronavirus-tracker/

***ian cruise*** · 14-05-2021 08:37 PM

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Can we still do a ballot to see who can get a ticket to not go?

Wimbledon vs MK Don's style? Anyone running a bus?

**gaz1875** · 14-05-2021 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by bingo70

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I thought that too for a while. It’s annoyed me for ages that football fans are treated like **** in this country.

The flip side to that though is that football rules are surely in line with other industries that rely on crowds. Rugby, horse racing, cinemas, theatres (although I know the last two aren’t the same with them being indoors)

Your right, horse racing is even more unbelievable given the small numbers for the less attractive meetings, where only a few hundred if that turn up to watch live. Probably all down to the better not allow it, the football fans will be giving the what about them. Maybe my cynicism is higher than usual just now

***matty_f*** · 14-05-2021 08:47 PM

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Wimbledon vs MK Don's style? Anyone running a bus?

I know a few folk who are not running a bus, more importantly.

***H18 SFR*** · 14-05-2021 08:48 PM

A colleague has just sent me a video of maybe 120 Rangers fans on a flight from Belfast to Glasgow tonight having a sing song as they are taking off.

Can someone please explain to me why we are not allowed 300 fans at Hampden?

**gaz1875** · 14-05-2021 08:49 PM

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Where I live there are no restrictions in going to eateries or anywhere else. Masks in schools are optional from June 1st. No one asks if you've been vaccinated. In short life is pretty much normal and still no fleets of ambulances picking up the dead and dying. Funny thing that.....

I have friends in OK and they have been doing pretty much the same as before the pandemic, they do wear masks in shops etc and spacings are larger than normal in restaurants but I don't recall them sitting at home for months on end.