Vaccine Passports for Easter Road

[Sioux]

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I printed mine off my laptop screen from the link above. It gives your name , DOB and the dates of your two vaccinations and the type of vaccine used. It's on A4 so not the perfect size so I might get it reduced at a photocopy shop. My phone is only one step up from an abacus so no good for swiping.

I've been abroad a couple of times recently and a screen shot is not an acceptable form of proof. The actual letter is required. Which is a bit of a pain because it now looks like a dog's dinner.

[hibby rae]

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You missed the part about my concerns around where this will end.

Of course there are erosions of freedoms and the more we accept them as necessary measures, the more freedoms will go. They won't be so easily returned though

Collective good v rights of the individual, We've seen this story played out before.

Can you provide an example of a previous point in history when people couldn't go to a football match or gig because they refused a vaccine? Because that's all it is, this is not the dawn of a totalitarian state.

There is no reason to be concerned. Restrictions have been largely lifted so it is already ending, those that choose to not get the vaccine will miss out on things that is all. Their choice, deal with it.

The covid vaccine will be here to stay, just like polio, the mmr, and the flu vaccine.

[Northernhibee]

If I was to walk into the football swinging an anvil round and round above my head I wouldn’t be let in either, for the protection of others.

[douglashibs]

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But if it does come to that what's the alternative. We would just have to suck it up (although an injection would be preferable).

Know your legal rights. As I understand it, regulations of the Scottish Parliament do not override the Equalities Act, which is primary legislation. That Act makes it illegal to discriminate on medical grounds. Hibs would be liable for refusing entry on medical grounds. No doubt the legal eagles will clarify.

[hibby rae]

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I have asthma, I caught covid, I'm alive.

Life is full of what ifs...

Edit:I should add, I have no problem people getting vaccinations. That is your choice - cool, I ain't going to berate anybody for that. Just as others should have the choice not to.

If the vaccinations proved that they made you immune and stopped the spread, then yes there is a good argument to make the compulsary. But they don't, so this pressure on civil liberties is baffling to me.

Then you are extremely lucky. Life is full of what ifs, but you can take steps to limit the bad ones, not doing so if negligent.

What pressures are there on civil liberties now that didn't exist pre-pandemic? The vaccine isn't compulsory.

The only one I can think of is the Tories anti-protest bill, and that isn't really about Covid.

[One Day Soon]

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Is it completely unworkable or difficult?

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I would think this will turn out to be a mixture of both very, very messy and substantively unworkable. Also it probably won't have its intended effect without photo ID.

[Mick O'Rourke]

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It is the mainstream media and the government who tell me that vaccinations don't make me as ill. Otherwise, why are they telling me that I have to have them if they dont?

I agree with that
But you went on to say

.......So if you are fully vaccinated and the person next to you isn't, then it shouldn't matter one iota to you."


That is not a medical fact, or any other
Tell my mates family that one.





Leave it there then

Glory Glory

[1875Sean]

I would imagine for people who don’t want or haven’t had the vaccine will be able to go as long as they provide proof of a recent negative lat flow test, this was always coming , England do it in threatres etc already the only reason why we delayed it as the app hasn’t ready

[May21/05/16]

What about under 12 season ticket holders

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[1875Sean]

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What about under 12 season ticket holders

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It was on the article it’s only for over 18s

[May21/05/16]

Cheers for clearing that up

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[Radium]

Response to First Minister’s vaccine certification announcement

The Joint Response Group notes the First Minister’s comments today regarding the potential implementation of a COVID-19 vaccine certification process as a prerequisite for entry into outdoor events with more than 10,000 people in attendance, including football matches.

Scottish football is committed to the ongoing collective effort to eradicate the virus and continues to adhere to the strictest protocols even after restrictions were lifted across society.

Indeed, on Monday the National Clinical Director, Professor Jason Leitch, gave a presentation to players and clubs on the clinical facts behind vaccination, to expedite the roll-out within the game.

None the less, we have today raised concerns on the considerable unintended consequences of implementing a certification process without sufficient time or appropriate IT infrastructure in place.

We will endeavour to establish full details in the coming days but stress the need to ensure a practical and workable solution for member clubs, their staff and supporters; in particular season ticket holders who bought their tickets in good faith and on the understanding they would be allowed back into the stadium when restrictions were lifted.

We ask ministers to carefully consider the unintended consequences of certification, especially in such a short timeframe, and request a meeting with Scottish Government to discuss the matter and its implications for clubs prior to a parliamentary vote.

https://www.scottishfa.co.uk/news/jr...y-1-september/


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[Hibs90]

Anti-Vaxxers need their head examined for believing some ***** they read on the internet. On a par with Trumpism. Absolutely baffling.

[One Day Soon]

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Anti-Vaxxers need their head examined for believing some ***** they read on the internet. On a par with Trumpism. Absolutely baffling.

And remember, this didn't just suddenly emerge out of pandemic. People with those kinds of views walk among us ALL THE TIME.

[HoboHarry]

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Anti-Vaxxers need their head examined for believing some ***** they read on the internet. On a par with Trumpism. Absolutely baffling.

Don't vaxxers and anti-vaxxers all get information from the internet?

[Since452]

If folk haven't had the vaccine because they can't be bothered or think it's all a hoax then tough ****. That's all I'm saying on it.

[wookie70]

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Shouldn't be an issue, most of the over 18 population should be vaccinated by the time this comes into place and if they're not it's probably either an anomaly or because they chose not to get it.

Which is why I can't see the point. Over 80% of the population have had a vaccine. Over 85% of those over 40 have had both doses. This will make getting in far more time consuming and mean people are actually next to each other longer. This seems like an unnecessary grab of our freedoms and in the greater scheme of things those freedoms have been hugely reduced year on year. I hoped the SG would rise above this but looks like they will fall in with the political flock.

I say that as someone who has had both doses but it will clearly go against equality laws if this is implemented

[hibby rae]

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Which is why I can't see the point. Over 80% of the population have had a vaccine. Over 85% of those over 40 have had the vaccine. This will make getting in far more time consuming and mean people are actually next to each other longer. This seems like an unnecessary grab of our freedoms and in the greater scheme of things those freedoms have been hugely reduced year on year. I hoped the SG would rise above this but looks like they will fall in with the political flock.

It's not an attack on freedom at all. You are free to not get the vaccine.

If you travel to a lot of countries you have to get a vaccine for many things, you can say no. You just can't go that country. This is no different.

[Sir David Gray]

I totally support this move and in my opinion it should extend even further to include restaurants and pubs etc which are even higher risk environments than Easter Road.

Hopefully this means those of who have done all we can will be able to continue leading as normal a life as possible.

We need to try everything possible to prevent further restrictions and I see this as the best way to try and achieve that.

[superfurryhibby]

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Can you provide an example of a previous point in history when people couldn't go to a football match or gig because they refused a vaccine? Because that's all it is, this is not the dawn of a totalitarian state.

There is no reason to be concerned. Restrictions have been largely lifted so it is already ending, those that choose to not get the vaccine will miss out on things that is all. Their choice, deal with it.

The covid vaccine will be here to stay, just like polio, the mmr, and the flu vaccine.

I think you are maybe deliberately misunderstanding my point, but I'm not reassured by your take on the future of our society.

Are Polio, MMR and the Flu vaccination edging towards becoming mandatory measures?

I do agree with your point about Covid vaccination being here to stay though.

[BlackSheep]

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Shouldn't be an issue, most of the over 18 population should be vaccinated by the time this comes into place and if they're not it's probably either an anomaly or because they chose not to get it.

Only 51% of 18-29 year olds have have their first dose… this could come into force from next weekend… I can’t see the other 49% getting vaccinated in a week.

[SChibs]

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It's not an attack on freedom at all. You are free to not get the vaccine.

If you travel to a lot of countries you have to get a vaccine for many things, you can say no. You just can't go that country. This is no different.

The difference with those vaccinations is the vaccines you get for going to places like India have high death rates. If I was to catch rabies there's a 95% chance I'll die. If I was to catch covid there's around 0.08 chance I will die.

[hibbysam]

I’m double jabbed and have no issues stating this, but the vaccination isn’t mandatory, therefore how can you tell someone they don’t have to get something, and then ban them from doing a whole load of things? Honestly makes no sense and would be an interesting debate regarding Data Protection, showing random stewards/football staff your medical records.

[tonyrougier123]

I had a guy coughing his lungs out behind me the whole game on Saturday.
Of course totally unconcerned about the pandemic and other people around him never once put a mask on.fair enough I have no idea what was wrong with him but sure as u like I would have one on if I had a cough,at least to show some solidarity to folk around in fighting the Covid spread.
My main point is this boy could’ve been double jagged had proof of that but still entered ,coughed all game and spread the virus freely. Enough is enough with all the restrictions to people ,as long as people have no regard for fellow supporters this will remain an issue regardless of vaccination proof.

[hibby rae]

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The difference with those vaccinations is the vaccines you get for going to places like India have high death rates. If I was to catch rabies there's a 95% chance I'll die. If I was to catch covid there's around 0.08 chance I will die.

But they are all still highly infectious, hence the restrictions. The chance of death from covid varies from person to person, this is one thing we do know. But there are a lot of things we still don't, like long lasting effects on survivors.

[hibby rae]

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I think you are maybe deliberately misunderstanding my point, but I'm not reassured by your take on the future of our society.

Are Polio, MMR and the Flu vaccination edging towards becoming mandatory measures?

I do agree with your point about Covid vaccination being here to stay though.

Have you considered you aren't making your point that well?

No offence but asking 'where will it end?' repeatedly isn't much of an argument.

Especially as you're overlooking the end of emergency powers which the government had. And even then parliament had to approve them.

Restrictions are rolling back, so the opposite of what you fear is actually happening.

[wookie70]

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It's not an attack on freedom at all. You are free to not get the vaccine.

If you travel to a lot of countries you have to get a vaccine for many things, you can say no. You just can't go that country. This is no different.

If I chose to not have a vaccine due to health reasons I will be excluded from watching Hibs even if I have a season ticket. Meanwhile those healthy enough to have the vaccine will be allowed to attend. That is nowhere near freedom as far as I am concerned and this is a slippery slope to me especially when you see how quickly citizens are happy to lose freedoms. It is the ID card in another form imo.

This is different to foreign travel. This is our government potentially discriminating against its citizen. totally different to a country making rules for citizens of other countries.

There are worrying signs that the UK governments are going to try and make vaccinations compulsory by stealth by excluding those who don't have them. My daughter who is u18 will not require one. She attends school with hundreds of others, very little signs of social distancing when I see them walking up the road and next to none of them vaccinated. I am double vaccinated, am I more or less likely to pass the virus on that a 16 year old because of a bit of paper. I could extend your argument and say that U18s shouldn't be allowed to attend unless double vaccinated.

[Wakeyhibee]

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Which is why I can't see the point. Over 80% of the population have had a vaccine. Over 85% of those over 40 have had both doses. This will make getting in far more time consuming and mean people are actually next to each other longer. This seems like an unnecessary grab of our freedoms and in the greater scheme of things those freedoms have been hugely reduced year on year. I hoped the SG would rise above this but looks like they will fall in with the political flock.

I say that as someone who has had both doses but it will clearly go against equality laws if this is implemented

Agree, it makes no sense to have a 75% full Dens or Tannadice at under 10000 get away with it but a 51% full ER, PBS or Pittodrie has to have it.

It makes no sense to restrict events then they only open selected stands making people sit in closer proximity.

I'm double vaxxed and if I can still catch it and possibly worse pass it on, then why are they allowing full capacities?

Got tickets for the Scotland game on Saturday if this comes in it will be my last for a while. Not because of any freedom issues but because our useless Govs make it more dangerous by saying it's ok if you're double vaxxed but then say you can still catch and pass on to someone vulnerable.

[Sir David Gray]

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I think you are maybe deliberately misunderstanding my point, but I'm not reassured by your take on the future of our society.

Are Polio, MMR and the Flu vaccination edging towards becoming mandatory measures?

I do agree with your point about Covid vaccination being here to stay though.

If we were in the middle of a polio, measles, mumps, rubella or flu pandemic then I would expect vaccination against these illnesses to become mandatory measures.

I'm normally very much against state interference in people's lives but we are currently in the midst of a global pandemic with a very real threat of being forced back into restrictions again very soon, I believe this is a good alternative to trying to prevent that from happening.

Once Covid-19 is no longer a danger towards our health service, if people still need to prove they have been vaccinated to get into the football then I'll be at the front of the queue when it comes to protesting against people's civil liberties being breached but at the moment I feel this is a necessary step in trying to maintain the largely restriction-free life we have enjoyed over the last 3 weeks.

[BlackSheep]

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Okay, they are effective at reducing illness. But that is about it - they are not making you immune, and you can still get very ill and die, and you are now needing regular boosters.

So they are effective at reducing hospital backlogs - which is good. However, there is no pressure on the NHS these days - it is under control. So I don't see the point in these passports.

Absolute rubbish that there’s no pressure on the NHS…. I have many friends and family who work in the NHS and they’re absolutely swamped!!