We need to talk about Lee

**~~loanheadhibby~~** · 12-10-2022 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby

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Lee Johnson hinting there will be a couple of changes for our visit to parkhead .I'd guess Youan will be one ,l like Youan but he was extremely poor in Utd game. I do think the big open pitch at parkhead would have suited him more though

I'll reserve my judgement on LJ. Definite improvement but we lose too many away games. As soon as we lose the opening goal away from home it is pretty much game over. We have lost 1 - 0 away to St Mirren and Utd and 2-1 to Livi. We've not even been to Pittodrie, Parkhead, Ibrox or tynie yet. To be fair to LJ it has been an Achilles heal for a few season but it is something he needs to sort out sooner rather than later.

**Donegal Hibby** · 12-10-2022 11:23 AM

Lee Johnson channels Pep Guardiola as he speaks on strikers and Kyle Mcgennis quandary " In EEN

**Since452** · 12-10-2022 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Pretty Boy

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I've not looked at this thread for a while but I'm off the opinion Johnson is doing exceptionally well.

Tbh I'm still not convinced we have a great squad, a big one and a couple of potentially big players to come back, but there's a lot of filler and players that just aren't going to cut it for us in there as well. I say that because I think Johnson is making this squad better than the sum of it's parts. To have us 3rd after 10 games is better than I expected.

He needs time to keep improving us and a continuing evolution of the squad in January and next summer with us looking to continue to improve it and maybe cut our losses with some others should see continued forward momentum.

I agree. We have some very good players such as Marshall, Cabraja, Magennis, Porteous and Boyle but a lot that are only ever going to be bit part players. I know some wont agree but i'd try and move on JDH, Melkersen, Henderson and Doidge at the end of his loan. All of those mentioned aren't his signings so wouldn't surprise me at all. Melkersen is a fair investment so might head out on loan. Don't think there's any chance we'll sign Bojang after his loan is up either.

**Tyler Durden** · 12-10-2022 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by loanheadhibby

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I'll reserve my judgement on LJ. Definite improvement but we lose too many away games. As soon as we lose the opening goal away from home it is pretty much game over. We have lost 1 - 0 away to Livi, St Mirren and Utd. We've not even been to Pittodrie, Parkhead, Ibrox or tynie yet. To be fair to LJ it has been an Achilles heal for a few season but it is something he needs to sort out sooner rather than later.

We lost 2-1 at Livi.

Last season when we lost the opening goal it was game over. This season is pretty different for us, we battered Livi and Dundee Utd in the second halves without any reward.

Hearts and particularly Aberdeen also struggling to win away from home. Our home form is much improved so surely LJ deserves credit for that. Beat St Mirren, St Johnstone and Ross County in our next 3 home games and there is a very good chance we'll be sitting 3rd as the season breaks for the World Cup. Surely everyone would have taken that at the start of the season.

**~~loanheadhibby~~** · 12-10-2022 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Tyler Durden

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We lost 2-1 at Livi.

Last season when we lost the opening goal it was game over. This season is pretty different for us, we battered Livi and Dundee Utd in the second halves without any reward.

Hearts and particularly Aberdeen also struggling to win away from home. Our home form is much improved so surely LJ deserves credit for that. Beat St Mirren, St Johnstone and Ross County in our next 3 home games and there is a very good chance we'll be sitting 3rd as the season breaks for the World Cup. Surely everyone would have taken that at the start of the season.

Apologies re Livi score.

Altho we battered both Livi & Utd, we lost. We battered Hearts in 2nd half of semi last season and lost. My point is, LJ has to start turning these narrow defeats in to draws and possibly wins. I am a fan of LJ and hope he does well. If he can win the majority of the home games and start picking up the odd draw/win away from home, we'll definitely have a fighting chance for 3rd place.

**Tambo** · 12-10-2022 12:32 PM

The only positives again was despite we lost we was the better team with the most chances etc like the livi and St mirren away games.

Another night we would of got at least a point.

***CapitalGreen*** · 12-10-2022 12:37 PM

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The only positives again was despite we lost we was the better team with the most chances etc like the livi and St mirren away games.

Another night we would of got at least a point.

I don’t think we were the better team when we played St Mirren, we were lucky that their poor finishing meant we only lost 1-0.

**Donegal Hibby** · 13-10-2022 10:35 PM

Best coaches are thieves .Lee Johnson article in Scotsman.

**MWHIBBIES** · 14-10-2022 05:55 AM

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The only positives again was despite we lost we was the better team with the most chances etc like the livi and St mirren away games.

Another night we would of got at least a point.

We were definitely not the better side away at st mirren. Distant 2nd best. Otherwise I do agree. We're playing well.

***JimBHibees*** · 14-10-2022 06:13 AM

Originally Posted by CapitalGreen

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I don’t think we were the better team when we played St Mirren, we were lucky that their poor finishing meant we only lost 1-0.

Yep poor in that game and deserved to lose in saying that Youhan missing the glorious chance a minute into the second half changes the game imo if he scores

**Sir David Gray** · 14-10-2022 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by Tambo

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The only positives again was despite we lost we was the better team with the most chances etc like the livi and St mirren away games.

Another night we would of got at least a point.

We were the better side in the second half at Livingston but the first half was abysmal and we could have been a couple of goals down at half time.

The St Mirren game was awful.

I agree about the other night though, we were the better side and should have got at least a draw. The disallowed goal was scandalous.

**#2 Double Tap** · 14-10-2022 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by Donegal Hibby

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Best coaches are thieves .Lee Johnson article in Scotsman.

He really does slaver loadsa pi. Sh, no way the jumbos are the best coaches in the world.

**Crunchie** · 14-10-2022 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by loanheadhibby

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I'll reserve my judgement on LJ. Definite improvement but we lose too many away games. As soon as we lose the opening goal away from home it is pretty much game over. We have lost 1 - 0 away to St Mirren and Utd and 2-1 to Livi. We've not even been to Pittodrie, Parkhead, Ibrox or tynie yet. To be fair to LJ it has been an Achilles heal for a few season but it is something he needs to sort out sooner rather than later.

Hibs have been in general poor away from home with the odd good season thrown in since I've been watching them in the 70's. That season under Ross was exceptional.

***FitbaFolkKen*** · 14-10-2022 08:47 PM

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I'll reserve my judgement on LJ. Definite improvement but we lose too many away games. As soon as we lose the opening goal away from home it is pretty much game over. We have lost 1 - 0 away to St Mirren and Utd and 2-1 to Livi. We've not even been to Pittodrie, Parkhead, Ibrox or tynie yet. To be fair to LJ it has been an Achilles heal for a few season but it is something he needs to sort out sooner rather than later.

We were excellent away from home in 20/21, last season was garbage though.

It’s not been a problem as long as it feels like it has.

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***Kato*** · 14-10-2022 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by FitbaFolkKen

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We were excellent away from home in 20/21, last season was garbage though.

It’s not been a problem as long as it feels like it has.

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Flumps relegated again.

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**McGruber** · 15-10-2022 08:02 AM

Originally Posted by FitbaFolkKen

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We were excellent away from home in 20/21, last season was garbage though.

It’s not been a problem as long as it feels like it has.

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That's pretty incredible that we took more points away from home than Celtic. Knew we had a great record that season but that is something else.

***Keith_M*** · 15-10-2022 11:48 AM

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That's pretty incredible that we took more points away from home than Celtic. Knew we had a great record that season but that is something else.

It was a weird season. No fans at games and the away sides seemed to be winning a lot more than usual.

**A Hi-Bee** · 15-10-2022 01:35 PM

I like LJ's interviews in the papers, interesting and usually pretty honest as well, have high hopes for Hibs with him as manager, and have to say did not always have that view.

**Springbank** · 15-10-2022 02:30 PM

This Celtic game showing last seasons back 4 was no longer the answer

**MWHIBBIES** · 15-10-2022 02:34 PM

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This Celtic game showing last seasons back 4 was no longer the answer

What about all the other games?

**Hibs90** · 15-10-2022 02:41 PM

Well he’s got it horribly wrong today, certainly tactically, and with the team selection.

***Hibbyradge*** · 15-10-2022 02:52 PM

It's been a terrible first half, but if Marshall holds the shot as he should have done, at 2-0 we'd still have something to play for.

But I'm just looking for a crumb of comfort because we're not in the game at all.

***Alfred E Newman*** · 15-10-2022 02:53 PM

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This Celtic game showing last seasons back 4 was no longer the answer

It’s not the back four that is the problem, as has been said a hundred times, it’s the midfield. LJ inherited the problem and has done little to address it. Bringing in a plethora of young mostly inexperienced fan dan strikers that don’t score goals was never going to improve things.
We might get away with it most of the time but unfortunately we are never going to compete in games like this .

**MWHIBBIES** · 15-10-2022 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by Alfred E Newman

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It’s not the back four that is the problem, as has been said a hundred times, it’s the midfield. LJ inherited the problem and has done little to address it. Bringing in a plethora of young mostly inexperienced fan dan strikers that don’t score goals was never going to improve things.
We might get away with it most of the time but unfortunately we are never going to compete in games like this .

Midfield strongest aspect for weeks, been absolutely controling games.

Back 4 been solid.

Goalie excellent.

Forwards can't score

First sign of trouble blame the midfield...

Maybe, just maybe, football teams don't play well every week and they all make mistakes?

**~~loanheadhibby~~** · 15-10-2022 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by FitbaFolkKen

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We were excellent away from home in 20/21, last season was garbage though.

It’s not been a problem as long as it feels like it has.

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That was a fantastic away record to be fair. LJ has a lot of work to do this year to sort it out.

**SlickShoes** · 15-10-2022 03:11 PM

Folk up in arms about us losing to a team to who's squad is better than us in literally every position, it's hardly a shock.

**Hibs90** · 15-10-2022 03:21 PM

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Folk up in arms about us losing to a team to who's squad is better than us in literally every position, it's hardly a shock.

Fully expected to lose today but to lose in the manner we have is disgraceful

***Heisenberg*** · 15-10-2022 03:24 PM

Folk moan when we go to Ibrox and Parkhead with 11 behind the ball and they’ll moan when we go with our usual gameplan and get pumped. LJ made some poor choices in team selection but has also been let down by some very poor individual errors.

***J-C*** · 15-10-2022 03:32 PM

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Folk moan when we go to Ibrox and Parkhead with 11 behind the ball and they’ll moan when we go with our usual gameplan and get pumped. LJ made some poor choices in team selection but has also been let down by some very poor individual errors.

He had a go with an attacking team but got the selection wrong, Stevenson and McKirdy were the wrong options.