Hibs need to start games with some intent and perhaps that will get both the team and the crowd going, too many times we are relying on Boyle to be brave and create the spark, our lone striker is often isolated and there's no urgency from the midfield to get in the box apart from Magennis.
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18-10-2021 09:57 AM #1
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Winning At Home
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18-10-2021 12:16 PM #2
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I do think however that with the loss of McGinn and Porteous for Saturday’s match, leaving only one experienced defender from the normal back four ( young Josh still isn’t doing it for me ) that McGregor and Stevenson should have played. I don’t think it was the right game to give Wood his debut having not had previous minutes in other games. It was unfair on him because he had no support from Cadden and Hanlon was caught trying to play his own game whilst talking Wood through the game and covering for the marauding Doig.
Having selected the back four that were there I also can’t believe a place was not found for Gogic as a defensive mid.
This is not an anti JR comment in any way because I think he is the right man for the job and due to the lack of depth in the squad, injuries etc he has difficult decisions to make re team selection at the moment, all I am saying is I was surprised by the team selection for last Saturday’s match.
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18-10-2021 10:48 PM #3
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Need to be winning at home against teams we are expecting to finish above.
In his time so far at Hibs it's 14 league wins out of 33 at home for Jack Ross. That needs to be better.
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18-10-2021 11:07 PM #4
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19-10-2021 01:32 AM #5
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Does the 14 out of 33 relate purely to matches against teams you think we should finish above?
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19-10-2021 07:18 AM #6
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14 wins gives us a 42% win percentage at home. That’s not great. Thankfully our good away record has negated that somewhat. If you’re aiming for third place I reckon you should be shooting for somewhere around 60% (or more of course) of home games being won. That would mean winning between 11 and 12 of the 19. With around 9 games against bottom 6 teams at home each season that should be more than achievable.Last edited by Perfect Hatrick; 19-10-2021 at 07:25 AM.
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Surely all home and away percentages come with the massive caveat of playing behind closed doors for a majority of the games too.
So there is a question over the concept of home advantage.
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United we stand here....
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19-10-2021 11:02 AM #9
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Good shout.
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19-10-2021 11:48 AM #10
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The thread is not intended as a dig at the manager but i still believe in home advantage and it looks to me like the away teams actually enjoy visiting Easter Road, they appear to have plenty of time and space in the first period of the game in which to develop their game plan and they also seem to be more energetic in closing us down, whilst we are laboured, slow and predictable, devoid of tempo and any sense of urgency.
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Our home form, or rather number of winning games, is a bit unusual granted, but as a few have said, maybe average point per game gives a truer picture than just wins.
Either way, it's worth discussing.
People have commented on the lack of fans last season as a way of negating home advantage, but I wonder if the stats back that up (not just at Hibs)?
I also wonder how you change traditional approaches to playing home and away, tactically. . For years we saw dour teams arrive at Easter Road, time waste from the start, spoil the play and try and grab a goal (Aberdeen spring to mind, as do St Johnstone). Maybe last season teams just played the game. In fact what exactly creates home advantage?
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19-10-2021 02:39 PM #12
I'm no statistical or analytic genius but we should be winning more points at home. We don't because we're not very good at breaking teams down when they sit in against us.
I don't know what the answer is though.
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3 at the back. McGinn Porteous and Hanlon with McGregor and Wood as backup utilising the energy and pace of Cadden and Doig as wing backs.
Shape the rest of the team from that position and move the ball quickly down the wings from kick off would in my view get the crowd up for it at Easter Road.
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19-10-2021 02:57 PM #14
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Home league games under Jack Ross
14 wins from 33 games - 42.4%
52 points from 99 available - 52.5%
A bit concerning tbh.
That's 30 pts from 57 available in a typical 19 game home season. Is that good enough for us?Last edited by 90274; 19-10-2021 at 03:04 PM.
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19-10-2021 02:58 PM #15
We don't play with enough intensity, slow and pedestrian with an over reliance on Boyle. Teams aren't scared to come to ER because they know how we play and once you've shut Boyle out of the game the crowd quietens and get on the players backs.
We have shown in glimpses how good we can be but in general we're predictable, some players look like they're going through the motions, no competition for places are making some stagnant.
I thought we were boring a lot of the games last season and the big test was when the crowds came back, looks like they're not coming back in the hoards that they thought would, Ron will have noticed the crowds and the performances.
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I'm afraid Cadden has yet to convince me that he has got either energy or pace. I would describe him as pedestrian.
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19-10-2021 03:15 PM #18
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My concern with that is that outstanding away records always feel unsustainable. If the away record turns and the home record stays as it is then we’ll be tumbling down the league. (Stating the obvious there I suppose!)Last edited by Perfect Hatrick; 19-10-2021 at 03:20 PM.
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19-10-2021 04:14 PM #19
Jack Ross is 4th in all time Hibs managers for his home wins (minimum 10 games played).
He’s behind Jock Stein, Alan Stubbs (who was in the Championships for the entirety of his time), and John Halligan.
He’s 4th best for all time record of home defeats, behind Lennon(season in the Championship), Stein, and Stubbs.
Remarkably, he’s doing relatively well.Last edited by matty_f; 19-10-2021 at 04:17 PM.
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19-10-2021 04:22 PM #20
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Change the subject to something else - see yes big games we didn’t win or style of play (but not how many goals we score) or something.
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Lots of if’s and buts. Hopefully we’re having a blip and will emerge from it. The team has had a lot of injuries this season, that has been a factor too. I think we have enough quality to get back on tracks, starting with a win at the weekend.
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20-10-2021 08:50 AM #22
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It seems to me to be an attempt to have a go a JR for not being able to win the small games but the stats don't back it up so they've been manipulated I might be wrong and that's not the intention (if so then apologies to 90274) but that's how it comes across to me). If we're talking about win percentages then looking at all matches and comparing to previous Hibs managers. JR is up there with the best and if comparing against modern day managers Stubbs' were all in the Championship and Lennon had a season in the Championship.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List..._F.C._managersLast edited by 007; 20-10-2021 at 06:14 PM.
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20-10-2021 08:53 AM #23
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I think the home record needs discussed. Is 14 home wins out of 33 good enough for a club like ours? Or taking 52.5% of available points at home?
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20-10-2021 10:16 AM #25
To many players know they will get a game no matter what performance they put in due to lack of depth to on the bench.
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20-10-2021 11:30 AM #29
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What is an acceptable points return? And how does that compare to previous seasons (just to make it a SMART goal).
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20-10-2021 11:45 AM #30
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Chuck in some absolute horror shows as well.
Most can agree away form has been excellent.
I know you’re going to come back and talk about how it compares historically so I’m not really sure why I’m asking. But if folk really thought we were excellent at home I’m sure more would be making more of an effort to attend.
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