JC said on ESPN that Stacky should have come for the corner.If he had we would not have lost the second goal.
Anything in the 6 yard box has to be claimed or punched at least.
I think thats right.
I am not looking for scapegoats but am surprised I cannot see any comment on this on here..
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Thread: Goalie
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12-12-2011 11:32 AM #1
Goalie
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12-12-2011 11:36 AM #2
imo hes hopeless coming for crosses well actually he never seemes to want to come out and at all
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12-12-2011 11:40 AM #3
It's been debated on a few threads already.
IMO Mark Brown is a better all round keeper in any case and he is well overdue a regular place. And for what its worth the stuff about his distribution being poor is an urban myth.
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12-12-2011 11:45 AM #4
I wouldnt blame Stack,there is only one man to blame for both goals and thats Hart. Lost Jelavic at the corner and gave him a free header
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12-12-2011 11:49 AM #5
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As has been said above, this is a pretty well debated point. I have lost count of how many goals we have lost this season from failing to properly defend a cross from the left into the 6 yard box towards the back post that a keeper could have and should have claimed. Dont get me wrong there have been a few instances from the right at well.
I dont think he could have come for the ball for the 2nd on Sat unless he was given a shout that the defender has lost his man, but I have not seen a reply of the goal. I guess the flip side of it is that Maka used to come for everything and would try and catch instead of punching which led the inevitable spill in to opposition players feet!
I would have given brown a go a few weeks ago now. I thought he did really, really well against Motherwell in the cup and his main area of weakness (his kicking) seemed to be much improved.
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12-12-2011 11:53 AM #6
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12-12-2011 12:02 PM #7
Anyone who thinks that - at that pace and trajectory - that cross was Stack's responsibility knows next to nothing about being a goalie.
IMO
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12-12-2011 12:15 PM #8
Made this point on the pm board. In my opinion stack does no different to any other spl keeper in these situations the issue is our defence don't do their jobs, losing men ,leaving them with no pressure to head the ball. I have no idea who we think travels to the back post 6 yards out to catch a ball
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12-12-2011 12:37 PM #9
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The ball was never outside the 6 yard box, Stack should have been out to claim or punch, in addition Jelavic is fairly decent in the air, why was he not marked by a Centre Half or Ozzy rather than a full back who must be at least 3 inches shorter than him.
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12-12-2011 12:43 PM #10
The problem is no defenders attacking the ball. It's all very well marking forwards but you need to get to the ball before them. Not one Hibs player looked for the ball coming in from the corner.
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12-12-2011 12:46 PM #11This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I like Stack .. but he is glued to his line too often IMO.
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12-12-2011 12:51 PM #12
Agree with JC. 6 yard box is the goalkeepers area. Thought at the the time Stack was a bit static.
Should have defended far better.
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12-12-2011 12:53 PM #14This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Stack should and could have come for it.
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12-12-2011 12:55 PM #15
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12-12-2011 01:00 PM #16
Mark Brown leaves his line less often than Stacky, so coming for crosses won't be a problem that will be solved by switching the current keepers. We had a dominant keeper who always came for crosses, and he was roundly hounded out, so we can't have the best of both worlds. If you know your keeper doesn't come off the line at all, then defenders know it's their responsibility. The confusion with Stack is that he sometimes comes, other times not. The goal Stokes scored earlier in the season was a delivery to around the same spot, yet he came. The Jelavic one he never even edged towards the ball.
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12-12-2011 01:13 PM #17This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
You describe this mystery goales as "dominant", so god knows you can't be referring to Makalamby..........
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12-12-2011 01:17 PM #18This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
That ball wasn't some world class undefendable nightmare cross - it was a decent-ish delivery into a good area, but one that any half competent defence would have defended, as opposed to ball watching and man-marking Osborne (your own team-mate) as opposed to Jelavic (SPL top scorer who plays for the opposition) as Grandad Hart did.
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12-12-2011 01:22 PM #19This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Maka.
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12-12-2011 01:34 PM #22
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One thing for sure, if you let a cross be met by a inrushing forward 6 yards out, you are going to concede. So once again this season someone is not doing their job.
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12-12-2011 01:36 PM #23This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Misunderstood genius; a young goalie who should have been given more time.
Most natural ability of any Hibs goalkeeper since Leighton - sadly let down by lapses in concentration and a Hibs support that had been battered into submission by messrs Malkowski and Brown.
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12-12-2011 02:29 PM #27
Bring back Daniel Anderson, why was he let go? I know he went to Helsinborg when Larsson was there, did he want to leave? he was the best Keeper I've seen us play in recent memory, although he didn't have much competition for that status!
Who was the keeper who gave up Basketball to play football, Ollie Gotskallson or summin? Christ we have had some awful keepers since I started watching Hibs, Leighton was the first/best for me, then all downhill!
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12-12-2011 02:47 PM #29This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
I loved big Ollie. Mind he saved a cracker of a penalty, against Celtic iirc, where he dived one way and the ball was dinked down the middle, only for him to flick his leg out and turn it onto the bar
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12-12-2011 03:07 PM #30This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
Its easier for a good goalie to see all that coming rather than a defender jostling under a curling ball.
Main point is that once its that close to the goals the goalie MUST take charge.
Stacky is big enough to impose himself but didn't react quickly enough.
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