SNP are lying b******s as well !

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Campbell lost all credibility a long time ago but his "finger in the dyke" comment was a new low even by his standards.

I'm not sure that's the case. If anything his post-referendum stuff has had a bigger impact. Definitely a major media player in what was to become the SNP embezzlement investigation as well as the gender reform saga and possibly the botched prosecution of Rangers directors. I haven't kept up with his stuff lately but it was always exhaustively researched.

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Wings guys about turn seems very odd. Would be interesting to get what is behind it all.

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I'm not sure that's the case. If anything his post-referendum stuff has had a bigger impact. Definitely a major media player in what was to become the SNP embezzlement investigation as well as the gender reform saga and possibly the botched prosecution of Rangers directors. I haven't kept up with his stuff lately but it was always exhaustively researched.

Nah. The guy is plain weird and has no credibility whatsoever.

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Varies. Voted SNP when Salmond became FM. Thought he brought some serious clout to the FM role after the Labour/Lib-Dem dullards who preceded him and I liked the way he didn't govern along partisan lines, even forming an unofficial alliance with the Tories to get legislation passed. I wasn't sold on independence though and was very glad I voted no after Sturgeon took over. I think she's the worst thing to have happened to Scottish politics. A toxic, divisive presence who achieved next to nothing. I actually though Davidson had unifying potential as Tory leader and was surprised she stepped back into a cushy Lord's role. Ross seemed like a bit of an eejit, while Findlay's quite a sharp cookie but I think any hopes he had of making his presence felt have been torpedoed by Reform now making their mark in Scotland. So, while I've been a bit disappointed by Sarwar, I'm sticking with Labour for now. Swinney's nobody's idea of an inspirational leader.

Some journey that

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Some journey that

The 'journey' of switching from Labour to SNP then returning to Labour? Hardly uncommon judging by last year's general election results in Scotland and subsequent by-elections.

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The 'journey' of switching from Labour to SNP then returning to Labour? Hardly uncommon judging by last year's general election results in Scotland and subsequent by-elections.

What about Ruth? You expressed your admiration didn't you vote for her (and whatever is she said she believed in)?











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The latest polls are pretty good.

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The latest polls are pretty good.

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...t-lead-5083296

Good for Indy but the SNP still need to lift their game. I suspect we are heading for Sarwar as FM.


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Good for Indy but the SNP still need to lift their game. I suspect we are heading for Sarwar as FM.


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Sarwar would need to jump in bed with Farage for that to happen, I suspect he would jump in bed with a bag of hungover rattle snakes to get the keys to Bute House though.

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Sarwar would need to jump in bed with Farage for that to happen, I suspect he would jump in bed with a bag of hungover rattle snakes to get the keys to Bute House though.

What like Nippy did with the Greens

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What like Nippy did with the Greens

She was in Bute house anyway though after winning the election. Coming 2nd and forming a coalition with the Tories and Reform is surely a step further no matter how you view Sturgeon.


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She was in Bute house anyway though after winning the election. Coming 2nd and forming a coalition with the Tories and Reform is surely a step further no matter how you view Sturgeon.


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Labour has not done that ….but due to her constant bending over for the Greens was the star of her downfall

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Labour has not done that ….but due to her constant bending over for the Greens was the star of her downfall

I'd agree with that but it's not the same as Labour relying on Reform, they're complete polar opposites.

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I'd agree with that but it's not the same as Labour relying on Reform, they're complete polar opposites.

You keep stating like it’s a fact …Labour has “yet” to form any agreement with Reform and if Labour want to keep its members and voters I doubt any agreement will be forthcoming

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You keep stating like it’s a fact …Labour has “yet” to form any agreement with Reform and if Labour want to keep its members and voters I doubt any agreement will be forthcoming

Reform is polling as the 3rd biggest party and it seems to be growing, if Sarwar is faced with the dilemma of working with Reform to put him in Bute House do you honestly think he'll pass that chance by?

It's a moot point anyway as as things stand SNP will be the biggest party and ironically Swinney will probably use the Greens to get back in the driving seat, albeit in an automatic with cruise control engaged.

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Labour will never do a deal with Reform in Scotland, simply as it would be political suicide and an easy SNP win. Reform might back then to get first minister as an anti independence choice.

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What about Ruth? You expressed your admiration didn't you vote for her (and whatever is she said she believed in)?


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No, I didn't vote for her but I remember thinking a working class, kickboxing lesbian was an intriguing choice of leader and that she was also more effective than most at standing up to Sturgeon's bullying manner at FMQs. She did well (relatively) for a Tory leader in Scotland, where the 13 seats they won were crucial to keeping May clinging to power in the 2017 election.

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No, I didn't vote for her but I remember thinking a working class, kickboxing lesbian was an intriguing choice of leader and that she was also more effective than most at standing up to Sturgeon's bullying manner at FMQs. She did well (relatively) for a Tory leader in Scotland, where the 13 seats they won were crucial to keeping May clinging to power in the 2017 election.

She was useless. No actual policies and was only there to be awkward while the Tories ripped out public funding country wide.

Shes not a politcian, she's a "personality", which counts as a celebrity in today's world.

































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No, I didn't vote for her but I remember thinking a working class, kickboxing lesbian was an intriguing choice of leader and that she was also more effective than most at standing up to Sturgeon's bullying manner at FMQs. She did well (relatively) for a Tory leader in Scotland, where the 13 seats they won were crucial to keeping May clinging to power in the 2017 election.

She was hopeless, Sturgeon ripped here a new one at every FMQ, just like she did with DRoss afterwards.

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She was hopeless, Sturgeon ripped here a new one at every FMQ, just like she did with DRoss afterwards.

I don't agree with that. Unlike you, I can't vouch for 'every FMQ', but from the ones I happened to see she was by far the most effective opposition leader I've seen engage Sturgeon.

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She was useless. No actual policies and was only there to be awkward while the Tories ripped out public funding country wide.

Shes not a politcian, she's a "personality", which counts as a celebrity in today's world.


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That's your view. Fair enough. I thought she did pretty well. Winning 13 Scottish Tory seats at a general election was by far their most since Thatcher. When it came to 'policy', being anti-independence was pretty much the only one 'no' voters were interested in back then. That particular election was an interesting one because it was the first post-Brexit and Sturgeon assumed it would see voters flock to the independence cause. Instead the SNP lost 21 seats.

Impressive Holyrood leaders post-Salmond are thin on the ground to non-existent and I just thought she was one who at least carried a bit of clout. Bar perhaps Lamont, I toiled to get behind the series of incompetents and dullards Labour rolled out (Dugdale, Murphy, Leonard...even Gray's Hibby credentials didn't really tip the scales for me), but Sturgeon was the only one I could really could not stand.

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I don't agree with that. Unlike you, I can't vouch for 'every FMQ', but from the ones I happened to see she was by far the most effective opposition leader I've seen engage Sturgeon.

I thought Sturgeon was hopeless? What does that tell you about the opposition?

She took part in a regional Punch and Judy show for a few years then retired to the Lords.

The condition the country is in has nothing to do with Ruth Davidson, for better or worse. (excl. expences)

How can you be impressed by that?











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I thought Sturgeon was hopeless? What does that tell you about the opposition?

She took part in a regional Punch and Judy show for a few years then retired to the Lords.

The condition the country is in has nothing to do with Ruth Davidson, for better or worse. (excl. expences)

How can you be impressed by that?

Kick boxing lesbian. That impresses some people, apparently.

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Labour will never do a deal with Reform in Scotland, simply as it would be political suicide and an easy SNP win. Reform might back then to get first minister as an anti independence choice.

They won’t have a formal coalition, it will be one of those secret ones where reform vote for Sarwar for FM. Like the non coalition coalitions they have in various councils across Scotland including here in Edinburgh. They promised not to do a deal with the Tories before the election but afterwards could not help themselves.
If Reform say they will vote for Sarwar to keep the SNP out he’ll gladly accept the votes.


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Reform is polling as the 3rd biggest party and it seems to be growing, if Sarwar is faced with the dilemma of working with Reform to put him in Bute House do you honestly think he'll pass that chance by?

It's a moot point anyway as as things stand SNP will be the biggest party and ironically Swinney will probably use the Greens to get back in the driving seat, albeit in an automatic with cruise control engaged.

Being the biggest party won’t be enough for the SNP this time around. There will be a coalition behind Sarwar.


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Being the biggest party won’t be enough for the SNP this time around. There will be a coalition behind Sarwar.


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Hope you're right.

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I guess everyone forgets Nigel Farage saying he would rather have the SNP in power than Labour?

Nigel Farage: I’d rather have SNP in power at Holyrood than Labour https://share.google/nqHaFmDtQCnJpjDOZ

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I thought Sturgeon was hopeless? What does that tell you about the opposition?

She took part in a regional Punch and Judy show for a few years then retired to the Lords.

The condition the country is in has nothing to do with Ruth Davidson, for better or worse. (excl. expences)

How can you be impressed by that?



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There's next to nothing that impresses me about Holyrood (although I thought the interior was quite good when I went on a tour) and given the opportunity again I probably wouldn't have voted for devolution.

I've explained what I thought Davidson did relatively well. It's clear you disagree. Not a big deal really, but you seem determined to tell me how wrong I am.

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Being the biggest party won’t be enough for the SNP this time around. There will be a coalition behind Sarwar.


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The latest 5 poll average has SNP on 59, none of them on the list and all other Unionist parties on 54 combined, the Greens are up to 16 and that takes into account them not competing in most constituencies. There's no way with the Greens improving like that the SNP don't win although the MSM onslaught has yet to kick into gear. There's also the option of Swinney working with the LDs, would ACH rather team up with Reform? I don't know.

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The latest 5 poll average has SNP on 59, none of them on the list and all other Unionist parties on 54 combined, the Greens are up to 16 and that takes into account them not competing in most constituencies. There's no way with the Greens improving like that the SNP don't win although the MSM onslaught has yet to kick into gear. There's also the option of Swinney working with the LDs, would ACH rather team up with Reform? I don't know.

I would say there is zero chance that ACH teams up with SNP. He only wins his seat to keep them out. It’s not as though Corstorphine etc is a Lib Dem stronghold. He gets in due to tactical voting against the SNP. To betray that would be quite something.


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