The future of the Labour Party

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EXCLUSIVE: I understand Jeremy Corbyn has not agreed to join the new left party with Zarah Sultana yet

He is furious and bewildered at the way it has been launched without consultation

I thought Corbyn already formed a new party with some other suspended Labour MPs last year?

This is more good news for Reform.

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There’s certainly room for a left of centre party contesting elections in both Westminster and Holyrood.

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There’s certainly room for a left of centre party contesting elections in both Westminster and Holyrood.

There is room on the full left side and in the centre too. It would be a struggle to vote in the centre never mind on the left if it wasn't for the Greens

50 years since the old witch was first elected and her destructive policies and idealism is pretty much the norm in all major parties. She would feel comfortable in Labour and perhaps the Lib Dems. She would feel that Reform had captured her hatred for the working person really well albeit they are a tad extreme for her. She would probably drag the current Tories to the left if she regained control. The overton window has moved a couple of pains to the right since Neo-Liberalism started destroying the western world.

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There is room on the full left side and in the centre too. It would be a struggle to vote in the centre never mind on the left if it wasn't for the Greens

50 years since the old witch was first elected and her destructive policies and idealism is pretty much the norm in all major parties. She would feel comfortable in Labour and perhaps the Lib Dems. She would feel that Reform had captured her hatred for the working person really well albeit they are a tad extreme for her. She would probably drag the current Tories to the left if she regained control. The overton window has moved a couple of pains to the right since Neo-Liberalism started destroying the western world.

There are stories of Tebbit and Thatcher finding the overtly viscious displays of wealth that began to appear in the 1990s very distasteful. It prompted them to reflect on their policies of the 80s.

I bet not for long though, and it probably tool the shape of a few performative tut-tuts.

She was just a tool. The Spychatcher novel talks about Operation Clockwork Orange, a half attempted half aborted coup in the early 70s. Prime Minister would have been Louis Mount batten and, if successful, the economics of Hayek, Freedman and the dictator Pinochet's Chile.

Which is what the repressed, snobby, heartless, cold, gloating, cruel, divisive, crooked, old bat brought about anyway.

She hated the anti Europeans and made sure they were kept at arms length and treated as cranks. (As though she could point the finger.)

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I thought Corbyn already formed a new party with some other suspended Labour MPs last year?

This is more good news for Reform.

They formed an Independent Alliance in Parliament.

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'Welcome news', says UK Government spokesperson as French police slash migrant boat
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ygjjxjlplo

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'Welcome news', says UK Government spokesperson as French police slash migrant boat
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ygjjxjlplo

Watching the video the police probably saved lives in doing it. Would rather get out a few feet from the shore than risk the sea in that packed dinghy. People traffickers are really ****, taking advantage of desperate people

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Watching the video the police probably saved lives in doing it. Would rather get out a few feet from the shore than risk the sea in that packed dinghy. People traffickers are really ****, taking advantage of desperate people

Yes, preventing people taking their lives in their hands in these boats has got to be a good thing.

Starmer will be hoping for more of this as evidence he's managed to get the French on side with his stop the boats pledge.

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Yes, preventing people taking their lives in their hands in these boats has got to be a good thing.

Starmer will be hoping for more of this as evidence he's managed to get the French on side with his stop the boats pledge.

It appears to have been a protective measure to ensure the boat did not head out to sea and sink. No doubt that will cause conflict among some who want the French to “stop the boats”

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It appears to have been a protective measure to ensure the boat did not head out to sea and sink. No doubt that will cause conflict among some who want the French to “stop the boats”

It was also reported that those in the boat were trying to start the outboard motor while others were close to the propeller.

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https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/p...-to-end-sleaze
Labour turning a blind eye to corruption.


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It was also reported that those in the boat were trying to start the outboard motor while others were close to the propeller.

it would seem that saving lives was the priority which is heartening to see.

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https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/p...-to-end-sleaze
Labour turning a blind eye to corruption.


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Covid VIP lane prosecutions? Nope

Post Office coercion and corruption charges? Nope


"British Virgin Islands, notorious as a destination for washing ill-gotten gains - missed a final dealine to introduce corporate transparency measures aimed at tackling kleptocracy"...

...pathetic response to a criminal and amoral system they have no idea how to tackle.

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Covid VIP lane prosecutions? Nope

Post Office coercion and corruption charges? Nope


"British Virgin Islands, notorious as a destination for washing ill-gotten gains - missed a final dealine to introduce corporate transparency measures aimed at tackling kleptocracy"...

...pathetic response to a criminal and amoral system they have no idea how to tackle.

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No idea how to tackle or no intention of tackling?


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No idea how to tackle or no intention of tackling?


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I think it's just seen as normality these days when it's anything but. It needs bolstered by fake think tank proponents on TV pushing more fake "choice " and more "freedom" and little more as there is no questioning or push back.

Normality for that system was the goal, its original economists called themselves "Neoliberals" but they dropped the name in the 1950s as what was sought was for it be accepted as the only way. Therefore you have camouflaged names like "Thatcherism", "moneterism" and "Reaganism".

The end point, given it never stops, is disparity similar to victorian times and a feral race to the bottom, ie there's "no such thing as society", as they seek zero adherence to any social contract. Austerity was part of the dogma sneaked in and not a sensible response to 2008.

They're thinking like Blair who applied sticking plasters not realising the progress of disparity is way further down the line and that the sociopaths are far better prepared than them.

Actual economics is rarely discussed as everything on the news is distracted by concocted culture wars.

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https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/p...-to-end-sleaze
Labour turning a blind eye to corruption.


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Good grief! There must be a plausible explanation.

Where's the Labour back 4?

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Good grief! There must be a plausible explanation.

Where's the Labour back 4?

The analytics were excellent, they signed for Hearts

[Jack]

There's a new Jonathan Pie video out 'celebrating' Labours 1st year.

Too many sweary words to link here.

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That would be about the most lefty political thing ever to happen tbf.

Be totally agreed on about 99% of their ideology but fall out over the minute details of the launch and split in to 8 separate groups over it.

They've already stumbled at the first hurdle with Sultana deemed to have jumped the gun by announcing it before Corbyn had agreed its 'democratic foundations'. As you say, par for the course in hardline ideological circles where student union-style politics hold sway.

Sultana bangs on about Labour's hypocrisy yet voted for MPs who switch their party affiliations to be subject to a recall petition. Will she be held to that?

Corbyn should be left to stew on the back benches. His refusal to accept the damning findings of the investigation into anti-Semitism on his watch as Labour leader was disgraceful. One of the few things Starmer's done right was to boot him out.

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They've already stumbled at the first hurdle with Sultana deemed to have jumped the gun by announcing it before Corbyn had agreed its 'democratic foundations'. As you say, par for the course in hardline ideological circles where student union-style politics hold sway.

Sultana bangs on about Labour's hypocrisy yet voted for MPs who switch their party affiliations to be subject to a recall petition. Will she be held to that?

Corbyn should be left to stew on the back benches. His refusal to accept the damning findings of the investigation into anti-Semitism on his watch as Labour leader was disgraceful. One of the few things Starmer's done right was to boot him out.

The shambles of policy is no different to Reform.

No one mentions that though.

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They've already stumbled at the first hurdle with Sultana deemed to have jumped the gun by announcing it before Corbyn had agreed its 'democratic foundations'. As you say, par for the course in hardline ideological circles where student union-style politics hold sway.

Sultana bangs on about Labour's hypocrisy yet voted for MPs who switch their party affiliations to be subject to a recall petition. Will she be held to that?

Corbyn should be left to stew on the back benches. His refusal to accept the damning findings of the investigation into anti-Semitism on his watch as Labour leader was disgraceful. One of the few things Starmer's done right was to boot him out.

And as soon as Corbyn was outed as a Brexiter by Diane Abbott, the illusion was shattered. The supposed working class hero supporting something that is making working class people much poorer.

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And as soon as Corbyn was outed as a Brexiter by Diane Abbott, the illusion was shattered. The supposed working class hero supporting something that is making working class people much poorer.

Just as well we got Starmer then isn’t it.

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Just as well got Starmer then isn’t it.

Far rather him than Corbyn. If we had someone who was able to offer genuine opposition to Brexit then we would be in less of a horrendous mess than we are.