Joe Newell

[Thatdayinmay16]

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I take it you'll be delighted when he leaves? Be careful what you wish for as an on fire Youan could be the difference between group stage European football and the financial rewards that come with it

We finished 3rd comfortably without him.

I think I'll take my chances.

We survived without him in Europe previously, we'll move on without him.

Hibernian football club doesn't revolve around Elie Youan.

[B.H.F.C]

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Why’s it ironic?

I’ve backed Youan, so has our manager who will know better than any of us what his attitude is like. I haven’t watched one of my claims about him not come to fruition yet continued on with my crusade as if it did.

It’s not seeing things differently. If it was purely about his ability then that’s absolutely fair. It’s a character assassination which is debunked at every turn, whether that’s because the fabrications about him faking injuries are proven incorrect, or the attitude problem he has is debunked by our manager. It’s a witch hunt, one which is funnily enough avoided by other players in our squad who are going through roughly the same issues as Youan is.

I just found it quite amusing you talking about other folk doubling down when you’ll be doing exactly that in about another 300 posts. I think folk simply see things differently and have, at times, been given reason to. It’s only opinions, you can’t really judge them to be right or wrong (even if you really, really feel like you need to be right).

[Centre Hawf]

One of the most unnecessary debates I've ever seen on here and that says a lot.

[J-C]

Do I need more popcorn or will this thread get closed?

[superfurryhibby]

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I just found it quite amusing you talking about other folk doubling down when you’ll be doing exactly that in about another 300 posts. I think folk simply see things differently and have, at times, been given reason to. It’s only opinions, you can’t really judge them to be right or wrong (even if you really, really fell like you need to be right).

Poster defends Hibs player, shock horror.

Funnily enough, it's the same people posting the same stuff over and over again the compels others to respond. Pretending you heard it from someone (anyone) at East Mains is pathetic, especially when it fuels dislike of a player that isn't merited.

I'm comfortable with Paulie Walnuts and others debunking the crap said about Youan.

FWIW, I've not heard that Youan is much liked by players and coaching team at Hibs, that he's a hard working guy on the training field and that he felt thwarted by Hibs not giving the opportunity to move when bids were made last year. Bids that we won't get close to when he does leave. Playing hardball is fine, but we never managed that situation well.

I just made that up, but suspect it's a heck of a lot closer to reality than the gash about attitude, faking injury etc.

[mcohibs]

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There is no attitude problem. David Gray has told us that. The guy had a pop back at fans that are supposed to support him who were abusing him and in some cases racially abusing him and quite incredibly some people are still insistent it’s him that’s the issue because of it.

Yep. The stick that Youan has got during his time with us has been at best over the top and at worst disgraceful. Our manager is telling us there isn’t an attitude problem, and I’ve no reason to distrust SDG.

Worth mentioning that Elie was at Ron Gordon’s charity game at HTC on Saturday, chatting with fans and getting pictures with kids. Didn’t strike me as someone with a stinking attitude.

[B.H.F.C]

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Poster defends Hibs player, shock horror.

Funnily enough, it's the same people posting the same stuff over and over again the compels others to respond. Pretending you heard it from someone (anyone) at East Mains is pathetic, especially when it fuels dislike of a player that isn't merited.

I'm comfortable with Paulie Walnuts and others debunking the crap said about Youan.

FWIW, I've not heard that Youan is much liked by players and coaching team at Hibs, that he's a hard working guy on the training field and that he felt thwarted by Hibs not giving the opportunity to move when bids were made last year. Bids that we won't get close to when he does leave. Playing hardball is fine, but we never managed that situation well.

I just made that up, but suspect it's a heck of a lot closer to reality than the hash about attitude, faking injury etc.

I’m not actually debating the rights and wrongs, or perceived rights and wrongs, of Youan and/or his attitude. In this instance, the poster is defending Youan, that’s fine. But, shock horror, there will be times where they may hold the opposite opinion of players. I’m sure said poster hasn’t always defended Hibs players, managers, owners or whatever. I just don’t get the refusal to accept that others might be of the opposite view based on things they’ve observed without there being anything more to it than that.

[Thatdayinmay16]

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How many times has Newell being racially abused by his own fans?

Aye, Youan has been flying over a specialist from abroad from his own pocket to help get to the bottom of his injury, which doesn’t exist, because he wants to show the fans who he hates that he’s trying to get fit rather than just sit on his arse.

Gotcha.

So how many hours of charity work was it you said Youan has done? What’s that? You’ve no idea but you’ll have a dig at him for it anyway? Kind of proves the point I’m making really.

He hasn't been racially abused, if you look on social media however, I bet you not many players have taken the amount of stick that Joe has over the years though, doesn't fit your agenda though does it.

Why didn't Hanlon, Stevenson or Josh Campbell attempt to square go fans after the amount of absolute unnecessary **** they've taken over the years or why didn't they tell fans to F*** O** on social media or tell fans they wouldn't be here for much longer?

[superfurryhibby]

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I’m not actually debating the rights and wrongs, or perceived rights and wrongs, of Youan and/or his attitude. In this instance, the poster is defending Youan, that’s fine. But, shock horror, there will be times where they may hold the opposite opinion of players. I’m sure said poster hasn’t always defended Hibs players, managers, owners or whatever. I just don’t get the refusal to accept that others might be of the opposite view based on things they’ve observed without there being anything more to it than that.

I don't think it's really a debate about the merits of the players skills or attributes though.

I'm a fan of Youan's football ability, but think his Hibs career has run it's course. I do take umbrage at accusations about faking injury etc, etc.

[One Day Soon]

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Is he away? Brilliant. Let’s get someone in who actually wants to play for the jersey, and will contribute.

Very talented is pushing it, by the way.

No, it really isn't.

[Paulie Walnuts]

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I’m not actually debating the rights and wrongs, or perceived rights and wrongs, of Youan and/or his attitude. In this instance, the poster is defending Youan, that’s fine. But, shock horror, there will be times where they may hold the opposite opinion of players. I’m sure said poster hasn’t always defended Hibs players, managers, owners or whatever. I just don’t get the refusal to accept that others might be of the opposite view based on things they’ve observed without there being anything more to it than that.

The issue here is that it’s not things they’ve observed. It’s fabricated nonsense. Our manager has confirmed that.

So far on this thread we’ve been told of his attitude problem due to tweets he replied to (where he was racially abused, yet it’s Youan that’s the problem here), we’ve had it decided he doesn’t get the leeway Joe Newell does because he doesn’t do enough charity work yet the poster clearly has no idea whether he does any charity work, but why not throw that one out there anyway, and we’ve had yet more posts insinuating he’s not injured despite the fact the guy is paying for his own specialist to get to the bottom of his injury.

Not one poster on here has observed that Youan is faking injuries, yet they continue to push the idea he is. This feeds into the idea he has an attitude problem. Joe Newell has also had an injury, one that’s also taken longer to heal than first expected, exactly like Youan. There’s absolutely no ‘oh no my big toe’ type pish aimed at Joe Newell though and following on from that, there’s no suggestions Joe Newell has an attitude problem.

Youan ‘has an attitude problem’ because people have fabricated numerous scenarios to create the idea he has one, which is ****ing bizarre when you consider how many big performances and iconic moments he’s given to the club.

[Thatdayinmay16]

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The issue here is that it’s not things they’ve observed. It’s fabricated nonsense. Our manager has confirmed that.

So far on this thread we’ve been told of his attitude problem due to tweets he replied to (where he was racially abused, yet it’s Youan that’s the problem here), we’ve had it decided he doesn’t get the leeway Joe Newell does because he doesn’t do enough charity work yet the poster clearly has no idea whether he does any charity work, but why not throw that one out there anyway, and we’ve had yet more posts insinuating he’s not injured despite the fact the guy is paying for his own specialist to get to the bottom of his injury.

Not one poster on here has observed that Youan is faking injuries, yet they continue to push the idea he is. This feeds into the idea he has an attitude problem. Joe Newell has also had an injury, one that’s also taken longer to heal than first expected, exactly like Youan. There’s absolutely no ‘oh no my big toe’ type pish aimed at Joe Newell though and following on from that, there’s no suggestions Joe Newell has an attitude problem.

Youan ‘has an attitude problem’ because people have fabricated numerous scenarios to create the idea he has one, which is ****ing bizarre when you consider how many big performances and iconic moments he’s given to the club.

Based on my experience, Joe and Warren are the one's who I've seen from the club doing most of it.

Can you confirm word for word where I confirmed Youan doesn't do charity work? Another lie.

Joe gets leeway because of the amount of time he's spent playing through injury when he didn't need to and has potentially shortened his playing career doing so, not to forget the outstanding leadership he shows on and off the park and playing a huge part in the togetherness we are currently seeing at hibs between the academy/woman/first team and fans.

However you'd be seriously mistaken if you somehow think Joe Newell hasn't taken a serious amount of flack from hibs fans in his time here, all you'd need to do is look on social media so your point is redundant.

[Paulie Walnuts]

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Based on my experience, Joe and Warren are the one's who I've seen from the club doing most of it.

Can you confirm word for word where I confirmed Youan doesn't do charity work? Another lie.

Joe gets leeway because of the amount of time he's spent playing through injury when he didn't need to and has potentially shortened his playing career doing so, not to forget the outstanding leadership he shows on and off the park and playing a huge part in the togetherness we are currently seeing at hibs between the academy/woman/first team and fans.

However you'd be seriously mistaken if you somehow think Joe Newell hasn't taken a serious amount of flack from hibs fans in his time here, all you'd need to do is look on social media so your point is redundant.

I never said you claimed he does no charity work. I said you have no idea how much charity work he does, which you don’t. You also used it as a stick to beat him with by making it a comparison between him and Newell insinuating Newell does enough to get leeway because of it whilst Youan doesn’t, again, despite the fact you’ve no idea how much charity work he does.

[Thatdayinmay16]

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I never said you claimed he does no charity work. I said you have no idea how much charity work he does, which you don’t. You also used it as a stick to beat him with by making it a comparison between him and Newell, again, despite the fact you’ve no idea how much charity work he does.

Did you not start of this whole issue by beating the club captain with the "but he doesn't take as much stick as Elie Youan gimmick" when in actual fact that is a lie?

[Paulie Walnuts]

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Did you not start of this whole issue by beating the club captain with the "but he doesn't take as much stick as Elie Youan gimmick" when in actual fact that is a lie?

No, I said he doesn’t (thankfully) get the same stick for being injured from posters like yourself as Youan does. That’s absolutely not a lie. Infact we’re all watching you tie yourself in knots to prove that point for me by yet again insinuating Youan isn’t injured and making bizarre comparisons with the hours they put into charity work as if that justifies your stance.

[theonlywayisup]

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One of the most unnecessary debates I've ever seen on here and that says a lot.

It really is!

[Thatdayinmay16]

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No, I said he doesn’t (thankfully) get the same stick for being injured from posters like yourself as Youan does. That’s absolutely not a lie. Infact we’re all watching you tie yourself in knots to prove that point for me.

He does though, take a look on social media, Joe Newell takes just as much stick from anyone in recent years, same with Josh Campbell.

Elie Youan isn't the only current hibs player who takes stick on this site although your acting as if he does.

[Paulie Walnuts]

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He does though, take a look on social media, Joe Newell takes just as much stick from anyone in recent years, same with Josh Campbell.

Elie Youan isn't the only current hibs player who takes stick on this site although your acting as if he does.

Yeah, you’re toiling with this one. I’ll pass on discussing this further with you.

[Jones28]

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You'd think he'd have had his own one.

2-4-1, tight wads.

[Thatdayinmay16]

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Yeah, you’re toiling with this one. I’ll pass on discussing this further with you.

Facts tend to do that to people.

[superfurryhibby]

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Facts tend to do that to people.

You offer no facts.

[Thatdayinmay16]

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You offer no facts.

Ok.

[dangermouse]

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The issue here is that it’s not things they’ve observed. It’s fabricated nonsense. Our manager has confirmed that.

So far on this thread we’ve been told of his attitude problem due to tweets he replied to (where he was racially abused, yet it’s Youan that’s the problem here), we’ve had it decided he doesn’t get the leeway Joe Newell does because he doesn’t do enough charity work yet the poster clearly has no idea whether he does any charity work, but why not throw that one out there anyway, and we’ve had yet more posts insinuating he’s not injured despite the fact the guy is paying for his own specialist to get to the bottom of his injury.

Not one poster on here has observed that Youan is faking injuries, yet they continue to push the idea he is. This feeds into the idea he has an attitude problem. Joe Newell has also had an injury, one that’s also taken longer to heal than first expected, exactly like Youan. There’s absolutely no ‘oh no my big toe’ type pish aimed at Joe Newell though and following on from that, there’s no suggestions Joe Newell has an attitude problem.

Youan ‘has an attitude problem’ because people have fabricated numerous scenarios to create the idea he has one, which is ****ing bizarre when you consider how many big performances and iconic moments he’s given to the club.

That's probably come from the same source that indicated Nisbet had an attitude problem

[PatHead]

Can we close this thread.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

Fellas ?! Can we get back on topic it’s the clue is in the thread. I do like the odd tangential insight but using a thread on one player to drag in and down another…

[Allant1981]

Hopefully newell is back fit and ready to go again soon but not sure how he fits in to how we play now, good player to have in the squad

[hibsbollah]

Anyone know how his injury rehab is coming along ?

[CapitalGreen]

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Anyone know how his injury rehab is coming along ?

Wont be back full training until late August, probably after the September international break before he’s back in contention for selection. All the above is assuming no further set backs.

[Centre Hawf]

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Wont be back full training until late August, probably after the September international break before he’s back in contention for selection. All the above is assuming no further set backs.

I love Joe Newell, but I'm hazarding a guess we may be planning for life without him in the starting XI, if not long term at least until January.

[Cooshed Kid]

JN will still have huge role to play off the pitch. We have good leaders on the pitch even without Joe and we now have no shortage of midfielders too. His contribution off the pitch was massive last season and I'm sure he'll do all he can again. I look forward to seeing him back in contention for selection but he shouldn't try to return sooner than his body will permit.