Hamas attack on Israel

[cabbageandribs1875]

wonder if those countries that bought the Iron Dome system from israel have been raising their eyebrows after seeing some of the damage some Iranian missiles have done in Israel

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The outcome closest to a “win” for everyone would be that Iran feels like tonight’s attack has saved the necessary face, whilst US views the attack as no damage done and call it a day.

Iran agree not to build nuclear weapons (and mean it).

Iranian regime get to remain in power rather than their inevitable downfall if this continues, and US succeed in Iran not gaining nuclear weapons (we all win from this) without become involved in another war.

Bonus points if the Iranian regime are peaceful removed internally.

The last part is an ideal outcome for ordinary Iranians. If the regime's downfall is a result of Israeli and US involvement it's perfect propaganda for the hardliners seeking to replace them. If it's internal it's the will of the people; unlikely to be a smooth transition but the preferable option to either the current regime remaining or some enforced puppet regime being put in place.

Netanyahu may well get his arse handed to him when the Israelis go to the polls (and while the Bennett Bloc are hardly progressive they don't seem totally ****ing insane so that's an improvement of sorts).

If we can avoid apocalypse in the coming days and weeks things could look a little bit different in the not too distant future.

(Insert optimist bordering on criminal naivety smilie here).

[Moulin Yarns]

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Bahrain closes it's airspace


U.S. Fighter jets take off from their base in Saudi Arabia after Iranian attacks against U.S. Air base in Qatar


Iran announces the launch of operation "Basharat al-fath" against U.S. military bases in the Middle East

suicide Drones launched at U.S. air base in Qatar




Iran will not win this one imo, not alone anyway

I thought drones were pilotless? How can they be suicide drones??

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I thought drones were pilotless? How can they be suicide drones??

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loitering_munition

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wonder if those countries that bought the Iron Dome system from israel have been raising their eyebrows after seeing some of the damage some Iranian missiles have done in Israel

It's a highly sophisticated air defence system, not an impenetrable shield. It's actually proved its worth judging by the limited damage sustained.

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It's a highly sophisticated air defence system, not an impenetrable shield. It's actually proved its worth judging by the limited damage sustained.

It's causing them concern.

Cheap Iranian drones are costing them a fortune to fire down - and the Americans may not have the appetite to keep supplying them with air defence materials (materials that the Ukrainians are desperately missing out on having at their disposal).

There's also been some modern Chinese kit that has been put through the dome and caused a fair bit of damage.

I suspect that this may be behind Trump's keenness to get involved - to warn the Iranians off, to get them to back down. It certainly wasn't anything to do with nuclear weapons.

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I am guessing behind the scenes Iran and the US are talking and letting each other know what they are doing. We will do X and we know you will want to respond, Iran says yes and we are going to do Y. Trump just thanked Iran for letting them know what their response was going to be. I assume in Iran it's reported differently and played up much more as a revenge attack etc.

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That's horrific

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loitering_munition

Every day is a school day.

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There's as much blame from within Gaza being attached to Palestinians, whether Hamas-affiliated or looters, for these sort of incidents which is why reporting can be sketchy. The 'rival' food distribution situation has only muddied the issue.

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God bless the world


Iran doesn't appear to know about this yet, it's funny when the Trumpet does THE CAPS SO EVERYONE PAYS ATTENTION

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There's as much blame from within Gaza being attached to Palestinians, whether Hamas-affiliated or looters, for these sort of incidents which is why reporting can be sketchy. The 'rival' food distribution situation has only muddied the issue.

Quite simply GTF

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There's as much blame from within Gaza being attached to Palestinians, whether Hamas-affiliated or looters, for these sort of incidents which is why reporting can be sketchy. The 'rival' food distribution situation has only muddied the issue.

When you deliberately attack a food distribution location for starving people, I'm not sure you can brush off the aftermath as collateral damage. You'd have to be kind of warped to even think that is OK.

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God bless the world


Iran doesn't appear to know about this yet, it's funny when the Trumpet does THE CAPS SO EVERYONE PAYS ATTENTION

Why do his social media posts read like the rantings of a raving luna...oh.

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There's as much blame from within Gaza being attached to Palestinians, whether Hamas-affiliated or looters, for these sort of incidents which is why reporting can be sketchy. The 'rival' food distribution situation has only muddied the issue.

Why is 30 people shot dead a contentious issue? In a place where 30 people seem to be getting shot every other day/week along with tens of thousands of civillian deaths already?

Maybe if journalists were allowed to enter then it would paint a better picture of whats happening - so why would Israel not want that?

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There's as much blame from within Gaza being attached to Palestinians, whether Hamas-affiliated or looters, for these sort of incidents which is why reporting can be sketchy. The 'rival' food distribution situation has only muddied the issue.

Asking for it.


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When you deliberately attack a food distribution location for starving people, I'm not sure you can brush off the aftermath as collateral damage. You'd have to be kind of warped to even think that is OK.

Not an isolated incident either. The third in a number of days near a food distribution centre and if articles in the press are correct, is controlled by armed US contractors with the area around it controlled by the Israeli’s.

Warning shots were fired as they believed those starving people looking for food posed a threat. What do they actually expect people are desperate and are trying to survive and save their families from starving to death.

Why are the UN not involved in this?

Breaking News just in - sirens sounding in parts of Israeli as reports of Iranian missle launch.

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breaking News just in - sirens sounding in parts of Israeli as reports of Iranian missle launch.

Nothing from Iran on that front and no sightings of any missiles.

Wouldn’t be the slightest bit surprised if Israel are falsely claiming this so they can continue to attack whilst blaming it on Iran for ‘breaking’ the ceasefire.

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Nothing from Iran on that front and no sightings of any missiles.

Wouldn’t be the slightest bit surprised if Israel are falsely claiming this so they can continue to attack whilst blaming it on Iran for ‘breaking’ the ceasefire.

Sky reporting from Beersheba of a strike on a residential building killing up to 4?

Again not sure if this damage etc has been caused by previous strike prior to ceasefire agreement.

As you’ve said it wouldn’t take much for Israeli to get right back at it!

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Why is 30 people shot dead a contentious issue? In a place where 30 people seem to be getting shot every other day/week along with tens of thousands of civillian deaths already?

Maybe if journalists were allowed to enter then it would paint a better picture of whats happening - so why would Israel not want that?

Yes, the difficulty in verifying stories is at the heart of the matter. Since the US/Israel-backed aid distribution agency got involved though it does seem even less clear what's causing the violence at these aid points. Hamas don't want aid coming in the that they can't control.

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Sky reporting from Beersheba of a strike on a residential building killing up to 4?

Again not sure if this damage etc has been caused by previous strike prior to ceasefire agreement.

As you’ve said it wouldn’t take much for Israeli to get right back at it!

Think that's the strike which took place shortly before the ceasefire was announced.

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Think that's the strike which took place shortly before the ceasefire was announced.

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Nothing from Iran on that front and no sightings of any missiles.

Wouldn’t be the slightest bit surprised if Israel are falsely claiming this so they can continue to attack whilst blaming it on Iran for ‘breaking’ the ceasefire.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cn7ze4vmk2pt

As if by magic, "Terhan will shake", says Israeli finance minister - why the **** he needs to comment I don't know?

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There's as much blame from within Gaza being attached to Palestinians, whether Hamas-affiliated or looters, for these sort of incidents which is why reporting can be sketchy. The 'rival' food distribution situation has only muddied the issue.

I would like to see your evidence to back up that claim.

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Yes, the difficulty in verifying stories is at the heart of the matter. Since the US/Israel-backed aid distribution agency got involved though it does seem even less clear what's causing the violence at these aid points. Hamas don't want aid coming in the that they can't control.

Where are you hearing that?

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Quite simply GTF

What does that picture actually show? An unattributed, unverified deeply unpleasant image that may or may not have been taken at the site of a food distribution site?

I'm well aware that Israel doesn't allow foreign journalists into the war zone, which makes verification of Hamas claims/Israeli counter claims extremely difficult, but while there seems to be a lot of anti-BBC sentiment on this forum I think their 'Verify' team does a thorough job of trying to get to the heart of the matter. As far as I'm aware every allegation of Israeli targeting of civilians queuing for food has been investigated and if this alleged incident took place yesterday as seems to be the claim I'm surprised they haven't covered it.

On the flip side, we've also seen footage allegedly showing Palestinians shooting civilians queuing for food which turned out to be footage from an entirely separate incident, possibly not even in Gaza.

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I would like to see your evidence to back up that claim.

I'm not sure that claim holds up either. The GHF say Hamas is blocking/stealing food but I think the UN denies that.

Important to remember though that Hamas sure ain't fighting the good fight for Palestinians:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/ne...embly-in-gaza/​

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What does that picture actually show? An unattributed, unverified deeply unpleasant image that may or may not have been taken at the site of a food distribution site?

I'm well aware that Israel doesn't allow foreign journalists into the war zone, which makes verification of Hamas claims/Israeli counter claims extremely difficult, but while there seems to be a lot of anti-BBC sentiment on this forum I think their 'Verify' team does a thorough job of trying to get to the heart of the matter. As far as I'm aware every allegation of Israeli targeting of civilians queuing for food has been investigated and if this alleged incident took place yesterday as seems to be the claim I'm surprised they haven't covered it.

On the flip side, we've also seen footage allegedly showing Palestinians shooting civilians queuing for food which turned out to be footage from an entirely separate incident, possibly not even in Gaza.

In BBC langauge Israelis are “ slaughtered” “ massacred” etc etc. Palestinians are “killed” or “shot dead” etc etc. Many more examples of BBC bias can be found. Where were their verify team then? The BBC are a TV equivalent of the Daily Mail. Not worth listening to, or, at least, treat everything with suspicion.

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What does that picture actually show? An unattributed, unverified deeply unpleasant image that may or may not have been taken at the site of a food distribution site?

I'm well aware that Israel doesn't allow foreign journalists into the war zone, which makes verification of Hamas claims/Israeli counter claims extremely difficult, but while there seems to be a lot of anti-BBC sentiment on this forum I think their 'Verify' team does a thorough job of trying to get to the heart of the matter. As far as I'm aware every allegation of Israeli targeting of civilians queuing for food has been investigated and if this alleged incident took place yesterday as seems to be the claim I'm surprised they haven't covered it.

On the flip side, we've also seen footage allegedly showing Palestinians shooting civilians queuing for food which turned out to be footage from an entirely separate incident, possibly not even in Gaza.

What do you think it shows? It may be an attributed, verified image taken at a food distribution site. I don’t know. But reports certainly indicate that Israelis are murdering aid workers and civilians at food distribution centres.