Hamas attack on Israel

[Hibspur]

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Good that people are highlighting hypocrisy though

There's no hypocrisy. Sultana just doesn't understand (or is pretending not to understand) how a defence barrister comes by their clients.

[MKHIBEE]

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There's no hypocrisy. Sultana just doesn't understand (or is pretending not to understand) how a defence barrister comes by their clients.

I’m sure Sultana understands exactly what is going on. Aside from the example highlighted by her there are numerous examples of Starmer’s lies and hypocrisy.

[Stairway 2 7]

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I’m sure Sultana understands exactly what is going on. Aside from the example highlighted by her there are numerous examples of Starmer’s lies and hypocrisy.

He's a hypocrit often but this is a good example. He defended convicted murderers so does that mean he can't criticise any future murderers

[Kato]

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The group member quoted here sounds a bit unhinged:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq6m24v7910o

I sometimes wonder how these activists sustain themselves day to day. Do they have jobs? A look at the names of some of the Just Stop Oil activists arrested...Lucia Whittaker De Aberu, Cressida Gethin, Phoebe Plummer and Indigo Rumbelow...gives the impression that funding's not a pressing consideration. I think there's an overlap between them, Extinction Rebellion and Palestine Action so perhaps they're just wealthy enough to agitate full time.

So come on, Hibspur.

How do you think posh people should behave?

You were quick to point out your disdain for their bringing attention to the plight of climate change.

What should posh people actually do?

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[Hibspur]

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So come on, Hibspur.

How do you think posh people should behave?

You were quick to point out your disdain for their bringing attention to the plight of climate change.

What should posh people actually do?

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They can throw themselves behind whatever cause they want, same as anyone. Plenty of posh/wealthy revolutionaries and rabble rousers throughout history. Engels (or was it Marx himself?) wasn't short of cash. Tony Benn was posh. The punk movement could be pretty contradictory. I remember the Clash frontman Joe Strummer (and I think one or two others) took flak for his public school background while presenting himself as a man of the people, while on the flip side Johnny Ramone was as staunch a Republican as they come (I remember him shouting 'God bless President Bush' when they were inducted into the Rock'n'Roll hall of fame).

There's a G K Chesteron quote which I like (just had to look it up to check who to attribute it to!): "The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly, the rich have always objected to being governed at all. Aristocrats were always anarchists."

I wasn't expressing disdain for the Just Stop Oil activists believing in their cause. I just think that by and large whatever you choose to to in life is cushioned more by being wealthy. And I also thought that many of their tactics were plain daft.

[Ozyhibby]

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They may have approved it but will never follow it through. No result for Putin and no recession.

I would not be so sure. They don’t need to do much to close it. Just the fear factor alone will mean shipping companies will refuse to go through. Insurance premiums will make it unviable.
The regime is being threatened so I would think them capable of acting in ways that may not be rational.


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I would not be so sure. They don’t need to do much to close it. Just the fear factor alone will mean shipping companies will refuse to go through. Insurance premiums will make it unviable.
The regime is being threatened so I would think them capable of acting in ways that may not be rational.


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There’s talk of them possibly mining it to block it but I just can’t see it happening in the current climate. Their own exports would also be badly hit if a block was in place.

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There’s talk of them possibly mining it to block it but I just can’t see it happening in the current climate. Their own exports would also be badly hit if a block was in place.

I doubt they would even need to do that. Just the threat will be enough to send prices soaring. They are struggling to get their own oil out just now anyway.


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[Bridge hibs]

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Result for Putin. Recession for everyone else.


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Has Putin put out a statement yet slating his pal Trump ?

[The Tubs]

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Has Putin put out a statement yet slating his pal Trump ?

Medvedev's been criticising it. This stuff from the Yanks and Israelis helps the Russians to build an image of honourable global citizens.

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Medvedev's been criticising it. This stuff from the Yanks and Israelis helps the Russians to build an image of honourable global citizens.

It really helps if oil price surges.


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[JimBHibees]

I know old news but completely relevant to this thread. UN Humanitarian official on Gaza situation. UK government lack of comment or action around this is completely shameful.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r1LgGFmFuH8

[CropleyWasGod]

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Yeah, they all sound really posh and it's not posh people's remit in this country to act as protesters.

They should be building up their share portfolios and stacking up their untaxable, offshore trusts and share portfolios. That's how we like our toffs.

Stay in your lane, Indigo.

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I often think it's such a tired argument to focus on the "class" of whoever is doing the protesting.

When I was younger it was "bloody students" or "filthy layabout hippies", without engaging with the debate itself. I sometimes think that there's a bit of jealousy that some people have the means, the energy, the time and the money to engage in agitation and direct action for causes that a lot of the rest of us would love to be alongside..... but just can't. And it's that envy that drives some of us to go for the person, rather than the ball.

And that's the case for whatever cause is being aired IMO.

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I often think it's such a tired argument to focus on the "class" of whoever is doing the protesting.

When I was younger it was "bloody students" or "filthy layabout hippies", without engaging with the debate itself. I sometimes think that there's a bit of jealousy that some people have the means, the energy, the time and the money to engage in agitation and direct action for causes that a lot of the rest of us wouild love to be alongside..... but just can't. And it's that envy that drives some of us to go for the person, rather than the ball.

And that's the case for whatever cause is being aired IMO.

Whilst Kato was being sarcastic in response to another post, I agree with all you say.

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I often think it's such a tired argument to focus on the "class" of whoever is doing the protesting.

When I was younger it was "bloody students" or "filthy layabout hippies", without engaging with the debate itself. I sometimes think that there's a bit of jealousy that some people have the means, the energy, the time and the money to engage in agitation and direct action for causes that a lot of the rest of us would love to be alongside..... but just can't. And it's that envy that drives some of us to go for the person, rather than the ball.

And that's the case for whatever cause is being aired IMO.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g83l33wdeo

Cooper confirms poshos to be proscribed as terrorist group 😉

On the lunchtime news there was actually an angry motorist shouting 'get back to university!' at the demonstrators so maybe the 'bloody students' attitude you mention still holds sway.

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Many places say Iran has made the decision to strike US targets. Qatar has suspended all flights to the country 10k US soldiers based there

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Many places say Iran has made the decision to strike US targets. Qatar has suspended all flights to the country 10k US soldiers based there

In this instance I'm torn between thinking the greater good is served by them kicking back hard and Trump taking a humbling of sorts and Trump getting away with - and being emboldened by getting away with - what he's done so far.

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In this instance I'm torn between thinking the greater good is served by them kicking back hard and Trump taking a humbling of sorts and Trump getting away with - and being emboldened by getting away with - what he's done so far.

I’m doing my best to try not to want anything here because everywhere you look there are potential unintended consequences.
Is regime change in Tel Aviv, Tehran and Washington asking too much?


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...an-call-audio/

Whatever else you might think of the Israelis, their near total infiltration of the Iranian regime is impressive. Any further and they’d be making the decisions themselves.


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[Paul1642]

The OSINT I follow on X, which tends to be very accurate, just posted

“Iran has just launched several ballistic missiles at U.S. Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar”


Not a good escalation :(


Edit: Now also reporting Missile launches against a US base in Iraq, and BBC also reporting explosions over Doha.

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The OSINT I follow on X, which tends to be very accurate, just posted

“Iran has just launched several ballistic missiles at U.S. Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar”


Not a good escalation :(


Edit: Now also reporting Missile launches against a US base in Iraq, and BBC also reporting explosions over Doha.

WWE is in Saudi this weekend. Can that being cancelled.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g83l33wdeo

Cooper confirms poshos to be proscribed as terrorist group 😉

On the lunchtime news there was actually an angry motorist shouting 'get back to university!' at the demonstrators so maybe the 'bloody students' attitude you mention still holds sway.

About time as well.

Bl**dy layabouts!

[cabbageandribs1875]

Bahrain closes it's airspace


U.S. Fighter jets take off from their base in Saudi Arabia after Iranian attacks against U.S. Air base in Qatar


Iran announces the launch of operation "Basharat al-fath" against U.S. military bases in the Middle East

suicide Drones launched at U.S. air base in Qatar




Iran will not win this one imo, not alone anyway

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Iran will not win this one imo, not alone anyway

Other than China, who almost certainly won’t get involved, who else could possibly give them a chance by joining them?

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Other than China, who almost certainly won’t get involved, who else could possibly give them a chance by joining them?

What does winning even look like for either side?


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Other than China, who almost certainly won’t get involved, who else could possibly give them a chance by joining them?

no idea, maybe the plump one jong-un, he's itching for more involvement along with the baddy regimes

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no idea, maybe the plump one jong-un, he's itching for more involvement along with the baddy regimes

Surely not? Isn't he the orange guys wee pal who he asked to join him for a ride on Air Force One last time around?



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What does winning even look like for either side?


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The outcome closest to a “win” for everyone would be that Iran feels like tonight’s attack has saved the necessary face, whilst US views the attack as no damage done and call it a day.

Iran agree not to build nuclear weapons (and mean it).

Iranian regime get to remain in power rather than their inevitable downfall if this continues, and US succeed in Iran not gaining nuclear weapons (we all win from this) without become involved in another war.

Bonus points if the Iranian regime are peaceful removed internally.

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Surely not? Isn't he the orange guys wee pal who he asked to join him for a ride on Air Force One last time around?



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i miss the Rocket man- Trump twitter slagging, then the two met up for the cameras in Singapore, it was so touching :) CNN on X: "BREAKING: President Trump and Kim Jong Un just shook hands ahead of their historic summit. It’s the first time leaders of the US and North Korea have met https://t.co/8OX2UblAwL https://t.co/SCzJ9VGdze" / X

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i miss the Rocket man- Trump twitter slagging, then the two met up for the cameras in Singapore, it was so touching :) CNN on X: "BREAKING: President Trump and Kim Jong Un just shook hands ahead of their historic summit. It’s the first time leaders of the US and North Korea have met https://t.co/8OX2UblAwL https://t.co/SCzJ9VGdze" / X

Brothers in arms.

Mind you going for a ride in a plane with the orange jabba has a whole different meaning.

No wonder the wee guy travels everywhere by train.

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