Scottish Independence

[jamie_1875]

Back to the carrot and stick approach, but will it work this time?

https://x.com/ScotNational/status/19...MNgGDfqqA&s=19

'Independence within reach,' Swinney to tell conference.

This was 2019 when the then SNP leader said Independence was within touching distance. It's the same old tactics isn't it?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/02/independent-scotland-within-touching-distance-claims-nicola-sturgeon

"An independent Scotland is “within touching distance”, Nicola Sturgeon will tell a pro-independence rally in Glasgow on Saturday afternoon"

[Mon Dieu4]

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Back to the carrot and stick approach, but will it work this time?

https://x.com/ScotNational/status/19...MNgGDfqqA&s=19

'Independence within reach,' Swinney to tell conference.

This was 2019 when the then SNP leader said Independence was within touching distance. It's the same old tactics isn't it?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/02/independent-scotland-within-touching-distance-claims-nicola-sturgeon

"An independent Scotland is “within touching distance”, Nicola Sturgeon will tell a pro-independence rally in Glasgow on Saturday afternoon"

What do you want them to say? Independence is at about 50/50 and has been for about a decade, it's pretty much stalemate, of course the leader of the SNP is going to talk it up

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What do you want them to say? Independence is at about 50/50 and has been for about a decade, it's pretty much stalemate, of course the leader of the SNP is going to talk it up

He wants them to be quiet and go away?

[jamie_1875]

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He wants them to be quiet and go away?

To be fair they have for a few years now. Remember the days when there was debate about was there 100,000 on that Indy march or was it really only 50,000. You would be lucky to get 500 now.

My original point being the carrot and stick approach seems to be the SNP plan for 2026, but I think this time people aren't falling for it, hence why support for the SNP is declining but support for Indy remains about the same.

[He's here!]

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Back to the carrot and stick approach, but will it work this time?

https://x.com/ScotNational/status/19...MNgGDfqqA&s=19

'Independence within reach,' Swinney to tell conference.

This was 2019 when the then SNP leader said Independence was within touching distance. It's the same old tactics isn't it?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/02/independent-scotland-within-touching-distance-claims-nicola-sturgeon

"An independent Scotland is “within touching distance”, Nicola Sturgeon will tell a pro-independence rally in Glasgow on Saturday afternoon"

It's been within touching distance since 2015 if you believe the National, which runs a 'Get ready for indy!' type front page headline with monotonous regularity.

[jamie_1875]

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It's been within touching distance since 2015 if you believe the National, which runs a 'Get ready for indy!' type front page headline with monotonous regularity.

I want to know where we are on Mike Russels 11 point plan? Remember him and his horsebox?

[Hibspur]

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I want to know where we are on Mike Russels 11 point plan? Remember him and his horsebox?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-63730653

Another plan which came together well.

[Hibspur]

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What do you want them to say? Independence is at about 50/50 and has been for about a decade, it's pretty much stalemate, of course the leader of the SNP is going to talk it up

https://robinmcalpine.org/the-worlds...sing-relaunch/

Doesn't sound like he was even able to talk it up!

McAlpine is actually one of those rare yes-voting writers I have time for and you can feel his pain.

[He's here!]

https://news.stv.tv/politics/veteran...2026-elections

'Ludicrous' SNP policies have kicked any prospect of independence down the road for another decade says Ewing.

[Hiber-nation]

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https://news.stv.tv/politics/veteran...2026-elections

'Ludicrous' SNP policies have kicked any prospect of independence down the road for another decade says Ewing.

One of the biggest mistakes Nicola made was not to sack this obnoxious bully.

[He's here!]

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One of the biggest mistakes Nicola made was not to sack this obnoxious bully.

Pretty much the whole of Sturgeon's tenure was one big mistake in my view.

[Kato]

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Pretty much the whole of Sturgeon's tenure was one big mistake in my view.

Says the poster who supported Liz Truss and her budget. :.)

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Says the poster who supported Liz Truss and her budget. :.)

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Free market martyr 😉

[Kato]

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Free market martyr

Liz Truss, Free Market Martyr and Cotton Headed Ninny-Muggins.

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[Hibspur]

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One of the biggest mistakes Nicola made was not to sack this obnoxious bully.

Plenty bigger mistakes than that surely? I'd suggest the award of a £97 million ferry contract to a industrialist pal in 2015 was bigger, considering those costs have risen to over £450 million and a decade later only one of the two ferries has actually entered service.

[Hiber-nation]

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Plenty bigger mistakes than that surely? I'd suggest the award of a £97 million ferry contract to a industrialist pal in 2015 was bigger, considering those costs have risen to over £450 million and a decade later only one of the two ferries has actually entered service.

I'm not entering a jambo-esque argument anout bigness. I'm simply referring to one in particular.

[Andy Bee]

Holyrood Sources Special with John Swinney and meant to be Anas Sarwar who didn't turn up.

Pretty good chat with John Swinney, all a wee bit political answers to begin with but more relaxed later on. Anyone at the SNP National Council on Saturday willing to give us the goss on the topics discussed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8hRUd4PDbg

[Ozyhibby]

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Holyrood Sources Special with John Swinney and meant to be Anas Sarwar who didn't turn up.

Pretty good chat with John Swinney, all a wee bit political answers to begin with but more relaxed later on. Anyone at the SNP National Council on Saturday willing to give us the goss on the topics discussed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8hRUd4PDbg

Sarwar hates a wee day off. His attendance at Holyrood is pretty low.


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[Andy Bee]

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Sarwar hates a wee day off. His attendance at Holyrood is pretty low.


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He's on Question Time tonight I think along with Andrew Bowie and that Reform gadge, bet he turns up for that one. I've ordered a new telly just to get ahead of the curve.

[Jack]

Did anyone spot this in the news today?

"The value of goods and services produced in the Scottish capital per head of population has surpassed London’s for the first time, according to economic data recently published by the Office for National Statistics (ONS).

The figures reveal a gross domestic product (GDP) per capita of £69,809 in Edinburgh, compared to £69,077 for London.

I know there's a number of ways this can be calculated and let's be honest ONS are on the naughty step just now, but??? Anyone?

[Jones28]

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https://news.stv.tv/politics/veteran...2026-elections

'Ludicrous' SNP policies have kicked any prospect of independence down the road for another decade says Ewing.

A decade? A ****ing millenia more like.

The Scottish people will vote for Reform before they vote for Independence. They'd see the country led by Farage over it.

I'm 32 and I'm very confident Independence is a total pipe dream now.

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/snp-out-...n-ratings-fall

Independence

The poll underlines that the Scottish public remain divided on the constitutional question. Among those likely to vote either Yes or No in an immediate referendum, 52% say they would vote Yes and 48% No.

[jamie_1875]

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https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/snp-out-...n-ratings-fall

Independence

The poll underlines that the Scottish public remain divided on the constitutional question. Among those likely to vote either Yes or No in an immediate referendum, 52% say they would vote Yes and 48% No.

From the same article:

"The most important issues that the public see as facing Scotland today are: healthcare/NHS (69%), inflation/the rising cost of living (52%), public services generally (42%), a lack of faith in politicians, political parties or government (41%), and poverty/inequality (40%). The question of Scottish independence does not appear in the top 10 issues for the Scottish public, although it remains important for SNP voters - 50% of those who say they would use their constituency vote for the SNP mention it as a very important issue facing Scotland, compared to 24% of the public overall"

Independence is just not on people's mind like it was a few years ago. For what reason I am not sure but I think the move to take this to the Supreme Court backfired on Nicola Sturgeon. It pushed Indy into the very long grass. I remember at the time people saying it would drive up support for Indy but like most things that people say will drive up support for Indy (Brexit, Boris Johnson, Liz Truss etc) it rarely does.

[Andy Bee]

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From the same article:

"The most important issues that the public see as facing Scotland today are: healthcare/NHS (69%), inflation/the rising cost of living (52%), public services generally (42%), a lack of faith in politicians, political parties or government (41%), and poverty/inequality (40%). The question of Scottish independence does not appear in the top 10 issues for the Scottish public, although it remains important for SNP voters - 50% of those who say they would use their constituency vote for the SNP mention it as a very important issue facing Scotland, compared to 24% of the public overall"

Independence is just not on people's mind like it was a few years ago. For what reason I am not sure but I think the move to take this to the Supreme Court backfired on Nicola Sturgeon. It pushed Indy into the very long grass. I remember at the time people saying it would drive up support for Indy but like most things that people say will drive up support for Indy (Brexit, Boris Johnson, Liz Truss etc) it rarely does.

What percentage do you think had Independence at the top of their priorities in 2013 when support was at 28%? "Now is not the time" isn't washing anymore kiddo, people are awakening to the fact that some of todays problems could be solved by complete autonomy of our own affairs. The fact you keep posting the same rubbish shows you're worried.

[jamie_1875]

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What percentage do you think had Independence at the top of their priorities in 2013 when support was at 28%? "Now is not the time" isn't washing anymore kiddo, people are awakening to the fact that some of todays problems could be solved by complete autonomy of our own affairs. The fact you keep posting the same rubbish shows you're worried.

Yet your statement that people are awakening to the fact that today's problems could be solved by Indy is completely nullified by the actual facts, it's not a priority for people as seen above.

We point fingers at politicians who give easy answers to complex questions but this is what we are seeing here with Independence will solve all the problems in Scotland. People aren't buying it anymore and again the facts back it up, it's very easy to say you would vote Yes in some online poll or survey but when people are actually voting the party of Independence and let's be honest the only party that can seriously deliver Independence the SNP are losing both votes and seats.

Its not "rubbish" when it's the facts, it's not even in the top 10 priorities for the people of Scotland.

[Moulin Yarns]

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Yet your statement that people are awakening to the fact that today's problems could be solved by Indy is completely nullified by the actual facts, it's not a priority for people as seen above.

We point fingers at politicians who give easy answers to complex questions but this is what we are seeing here with Independence will solve all the problems in Scotland. People aren't buying it anymore and again the facts back it up, it's very easy to say you would vote Yes in some online poll or survey but when people are actually voting the party of Independence and let's be honest the only party that can seriously deliver Independence the SNP are losing both votes and seats.

Its not "rubbish" when it's the facts, it's not even in the top 10 priorities for the people of Scotland.

Ipsos’ newly relaunched Scottish Political Monitor, in partnership with STV News, puts the SNP out in front in Scotland on 31% of the vote if an immediate General Election was held. The poll underlines how dramatically some parties’ fortunes have changed in Scotland since the General Election. Labour have fallen out of favour with many Scottish voters while in government at Westminster, with 22% now saying they would vote for the party, 13 points lower than the party achieved last July. In contrast, Reform UK are very much on the up, with a 16% vote share putting them 9 points higher than the 7% they achieved at the General Election.

Our headline estimate of General Election voting intention is:

SNP: 31%Labour: 22%Reform UK: 16%Conservatives: 10%Scottish Green Party: 10%Liberal Democrats: 9%Alba Party: 1%Other: 1%

Half of those who supported Labour at the General Election intend to switch to other parties or are undecided as to which party to vote for. Parties benefiting from voters switching from Labour are Reform UK (17% of Labour 2024 voters now say they would back Reform UK), the SNP (9% of Labour 2024 voters now intend to vote SNP), the Scottish Green Party (7%) and the Liberal Democrats (6%).

Our headline estimate of Holyrood constituency voting intention is:

SNP: 34%Labour: 23%Reform UK: 14%Conservatives: 10%Liberal Democrats: 9%Scottish Green Party: 9%Alba Party: 1%Other: 1%


Our headline estimate of Holyrood regional list voting intention is:

SNP: 26%Labour: 22%Reform UK: 16%Scottish Green Party: 15%Conservatives: 10%Liberal Democrats: 8%Alba Party: 2%Other: 1%

SNP vote is holding up compared to the others apart from Reform. Labour are haemorrhaging votes to reform

[jamie_1875]

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Ipsos’ newly relaunched Scottish Political Monitor, in partnership with STV News, puts the SNP out in front in Scotland on 31% of the vote if an immediate General Election was held. The poll underlines how dramatically some parties’ fortunes have changed in Scotland since the General Election. Labour have fallen out of favour with many Scottish voters while in government at Westminster, with 22% now saying they would vote for the party, 13 points lower than the party achieved last July. In contrast, Reform UK are very much on the up, with a 16% vote share putting them 9 points higher than the 7% they achieved at the General Election.

Our headline estimate of General Election voting intention is:

SNP: 31%Labour: 22%Reform UK: 16%Conservatives: 10%Scottish Green Party: 10%Liberal Democrats: 9%Alba Party: 1%Other: 1%

Half of those who supported Labour at the General Election intend to switch to other parties or are undecided as to which party to vote for. Parties benefiting from voters switching from Labour are Reform UK (17% of Labour 2024 voters now say they would back Reform UK), the SNP (9% of Labour 2024 voters now intend to vote SNP), the Scottish Green Party (7%) and the Liberal Democrats (6%).

Our headline estimate of Holyrood constituency voting intention is:

SNP: 34%Labour: 23%Reform UK: 14%Conservatives: 10%Liberal Democrats: 9%Scottish Green Party: 9%Alba Party: 1%Other: 1%


Our headline estimate of Holyrood regional list voting intention is:

SNP: 26%Labour: 22%Reform UK: 16%Scottish Green Party: 15%Conservatives: 10%Liberal Democrats: 8%Alba Party: 2%Other: 1%

SNP vote is holding up compared to the others apart from Reform. Labour are haemorrhaging votes to reform

The SNP were massive favorites to win the recent by election and the Labour campaign was truly awful but they came second with Reform only a few hundred votes behind if I remember. The polls also showed nowhere near the SNP wipeout in 2024 so while they are good indicators it's the votes on the day that count.

[Hibspur]

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From the same article:

"The most important issues that the public see as facing Scotland today are: healthcare/NHS (69%), inflation/the rising cost of living (52%), public services generally (42%), a lack of faith in politicians, political parties or government (41%), and poverty/inequality (40%). The question of Scottish independence does not appear in the top 10 issues for the Scottish public, although it remains important for SNP voters - 50% of those who say they would use their constituency vote for the SNP mention it as a very important issue facing Scotland, compared to 24% of the public overall"

Independence is just not on people's mind like it was a few years ago. For what reason I am not sure but I think the move to take this to the Supreme Court backfired on Nicola Sturgeon. It pushed Indy into the very long grass. I remember at the time people saying it would drive up support for Indy but like most things that people say will drive up support for Indy (Brexit, Boris Johnson, Liz Truss etc) it rarely does.

Pretty much everything she touched latterly backfired on her. A kind of reverse Midas touch.

[Andy Bee]

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Yet your statement that people are awakening to the fact that today's problems could be solved by Indy is completely nullified by the actual facts, it's not a priority for people as seen above.

We point fingers at politicians who give easy answers to complex questions but this is what we are seeing here with Independence will solve all the problems in Scotland. People aren't buying it anymore and again the facts back it up, it's very easy to say you would vote Yes in some online poll or survey but when people are actually voting the party of Independence and let's be honest the only party that can seriously deliver Independence the SNP are losing both votes and seats.

Its not "rubbish" when it's the facts, it's not even in the top 10 priorities for the people of Scotland.

Jeezo there you go again, spouting rubbish and miss quoting what I said. I said "some of todays problems could be solved by complete autonomy of our own affairs" that my friend is an irrefutable fact. "People aren't buying it anymore" again where to start, you literally replied to a post that was highlighting yet another poll which shows Independence support is rising and more people in the country want it rather than not, them there's the facts.

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The SNP were massive favorites to win the recent by election and the Labour campaign was truly awful but they came second with Reform only a few hundred votes behind if I remember. The polls also showed nowhere near the SNP wipeout in 2024 so while they are good indicators it's the votes on the day that count.

We need a fact checker on this forum, this is becoming outrageous The SNP were not "massive favourites". The results in that by-election made not one difference to the projected seat win or the projected vote share in the upcoming Scottish election. Whilst the SNP done badly Labour also dropped 2% from the 2021 SG election results which at that time was their worst. Reform was the only winner.

[Bristolhibby]

I see George Galloway has vaulted face and now believes Scots should have the right to self determination.

The guys a bam but seeing “independence is a scourge” turning face is pleasing.

Like a dripping tap.

J