(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

[Moulin Yarns]

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You read something and made a wrong assumption. Can ask again would you want illegal violent criminals removed from the country? It's a yes or no answer to a question.

I want the justice system to deal with all criminals in the same way.

The immigration system would deal with migrants in the appropriate way.

[Mcbizz1998]

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And the point was made that they were also loving ICE raids and they doubled down on that by insisting that Kilmer Abrago Garcia’s deportation was absolutely fine.

Funnily enough I’m sure McBizz and all the racists who go along with this thinking would be fairly incandescent if them or their family were removed from the UK to be stuck in a prison in El Salvador.

Please don’t insinuate I’m racist. Garcia’s deportation was due to him being a member of a designated terror group (MS-13). His asylum claim was a stalling tactic by his lawyer that the Biden administration let him away with. The guy is a gang member who was beating his wife and her children. She filed the below in 2020

According to the petition filed by Jennifer Vasquez on August 3, 2020, in the District Court of Maryland for Prince George’s County, Garcia verbally abused her, kicked her, slapped her, shoved her, mentally abused her kids, locking them in their bedroom while they cried, and detained Vasquez against her will. In November 2019, Vasquez alleges that Garcia grabbed her by the hair while in a vehicle. In December 2019, she states Garcia grabbed her from her hair in the car and dragged her out of the vehicle--abandoning her in the street. In January 2020, Vasquez claims Garcia broke her son’s tablet and broke doors in their house. In March 2020, she alleges that Garcia pushed her against the wall while breaking phones and TVs.

So you keep worrying about this ‘innocent’ guy if you like but I’m LOVING IT.

[Mcbizz1998]

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Wait until you give your opinion on Independence then this place will explode. 😂

😂

[Paulie Walnuts]

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Please don’t insinuate I’m racist. Garcia’s deportation was due to him being a member of a designated terror group (MS-13). His asylum claim was a stalling tactic by his lawyer that the Biden administration let him away with. The guy is a gang member who was beating his wife and her children. She filed the below in 2020

According to the petition filed by Jennifer Vasquez on August 3, 2020, in the District Court of Maryland for Prince George’s County, Garcia verbally abused her, kicked her, slapped her, shoved her, mentally abused her kids, locking them in their bedroom while they cried, and detained Vasquez against her will. In November 2019, Vasquez alleges that Garcia grabbed her by the hair while in a vehicle. In December 2019, she states Garcia grabbed her from her hair in the car and dragged her out of the vehicle--abandoning her in the street. In January 2020, Vasquez claims Garcia broke her son’s tablet and broke doors in their house. In March 2020, she alleges that Garcia pushed her against the wall while breaking phones and TVs.

So you keep worrying about this ‘innocent’ guy if you like but I’m LOVING IT.

I never said you were a racist. Infact I clearly mentioned you and separately mentioned racists.

Again, the guy has no criminal convictions and is in the USA legally. There is absolutely no legal basis for deporting him.

[Kato]

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Btw the spectacular public fall out between Musk and Trump is as hilarious as it was inevitable.

Ket vs Xanax.

The Final Countdown.

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[Mcbizz1998]

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I never said you were a racist. Infact I clearly mentioned you and separately mentioned racists.

Again, the guy has no criminal convictions and is in the USA legally. There is absolutely no legal basis for deporting him.

Yeah you were clever about it, I’ll give you that but you knew what you were doing.

[grunt]

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It was very clearly illegal violent criminals, you ignored the question, would you want one living next to you?

Why are you focusing on violent crime committed by illegal immigrants? The UK has no statistics that show how many - or how few - crimes (violent or otherwise) are committed by illegal immigrants.

Are you sure you're not just scapegoating based on a preconceived bias possibly based on race?

BTW I'm not sure this is the right thread, we were happily laughing and shaking our heads at Trump's madness but that topic seems to have been nudged off course.

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Garcia’s deportation was due to him being a member of a designated terror group (MS-13). His asylum claim was a stalling tactic by his lawyer that the Biden administration let him away with. The guy is a gang member who was beating his wife and her children. She filed the below in 2020

According to the petition filed by Jennifer Vasquez on August 3, 2020, in the District Court of Maryland for Prince George’s County, Garcia verbally abused her, kicked her, slapped her, shoved her, mentally abused her kids, locking them in their bedroom while they cried, and detained Vasquez against her will. In November 2019, Vasquez alleges that Garcia grabbed her by the hair while in a vehicle. In December 2019, she states Garcia grabbed her from her hair in the car and dragged her out of the vehicle--abandoning her in the street. In January 2020, Vasquez claims Garcia broke her son’s tablet and broke doors in their house. In March 2020, she alleges that Garcia pushed her against the wall while breaking phones and TVs.

So you keep worrying about this ‘innocent’ guy if you like but I’m LOVING IT.

Doesn't sound like a very nice chap. But please point to the evidence that he's a member of MS-13. I'm sure you have access to that evidence.

[matty_f]

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Please don’t insinuate I’m racist. Garcia’s deportation was due to him being a member of a designated terror group (MS-13). His asylum claim was a stalling tactic by his lawyer that the Biden administration let him away with. The guy is a gang member who was beating his wife and her children. She filed the below in 2020

According to the petition filed by Jennifer Vasquez on August 3, 2020, in the District Court of Maryland for Prince George’s County, Garcia verbally abused her, kicked her, slapped her, shoved her, mentally abused her kids, locking them in their bedroom while they cried, and detained Vasquez against her will. In November 2019, Vasquez alleges that Garcia grabbed her by the hair while in a vehicle. In December 2019, she states Garcia grabbed her from her hair in the car and dragged her out of the vehicle--abandoning her in the street. In January 2020, Vasquez claims Garcia broke her son’s tablet and broke doors in their house. In March 2020, she alleges that Garcia pushed her against the wall while breaking phones and TVs.

So you keep worrying about this ‘innocent’ guy if you like but I’m LOVING IT.

Was this the guy where trump couldn't understand that someone had photoshopped the tattoo on his hand?

[Mcbizz1998]

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Doesn't sound like a very nice chap. But please point to the evidence that he's a member of MS-13. I'm sure you have access to that evidence.

He was caught human trafficking with 8 men in his car travelling from Texas to Maryland. None of these men could provide an address other than the one Garcia lived at. Also, big give away, he has MS-13 tattooed on his knuckles.

[Mcbizz1998]

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Was this the guy where trump couldn't understand that someone had photoshopped the tattoo on his hand?

Wasn’t photoshopped

[matty_f]

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Wasn’t photoshopped

Not just Trump, then.

[grunt]

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Yeah you were clever about it, I’ll give you that but you knew what you were doing.

Guilty of calling you a racist. Although there's no evidence. I can see why you think Trump is class.

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Also, big give away, he has MS-13 tattooed on his knuckles.

Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about that.

[Mcbizz1998]

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Not just Trump, then.

It’s not photoshop. He has symbols tattooed on his knuckles which stand for MS-13. There is no doubt he has them on his hand, there is dispute about what they mean.

[Paulie Walnuts]

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Wasn’t photoshopped

FFS

[Kato]

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Would trust the BBC, flawed though it may be, ahead of Trump's clowns.

Yeah, I was being a bit kneejerky.

We know Trump's clowns tell huge whoppers. The BBC are well capable of whispery lies though and lie every day through omission.



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[matty_f]

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FFS

The tattoos on Kilmar Abrego Garcia's hand—the symbols like the marijuana leaf, smiley face, cross, and skull—are indeed real, but the specific image that shows the letters "M, S, 1, 3" grafted above and below those symbols was digitally altered. Reports indicate that annotations were added to that image in an attempt to claim a direct connection to MS-13 gang membership, even though no such lettering exists on his actual tattoos. Both the Forbes analysis and CNN coverage make it clear that the digital enhancement was used to suggest gang affiliation, despite experts noting that the actual tattoos are ambiguous and not definitive proof of such membership [A](https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2025/04/30/the-conspiracy-behind-kilmar-abrego-garcias-tattoos-explained-after-trump-insists-doctored-ms-13-ink-is-real/?copilot_analytics_metadata=eyJldmVudEluZm9fY2xpY2 tTb3VyY2UiOiJjaXRhdGlvbkxpbmsiLCJldmVudEluZm9fY29u dmVyc2F0aW9uSWQiOiJLcmNva3lWM3F2cmhVU0xNS1oxNmgiLC JldmVudEluZm9fY2xpY2tEZXN0aW5hdGlvbiI6Imh0dHBzOlwv XC93d3cuZm9yYmVzLmNvbVwvc2l0ZXNcL3NhcmFkb3JuXC8yMD I1XC8wNFwvMzBcL3RoZS1jb25zcGlyYWN5LWJlaGluZC1raWxt YXItYWJyZWdvLWdhcmNpYXMtdGF0dG9vcy1leHBsYWluZWQtYW Z0ZXItdHJ1bXAtaW5zaXN0cy1kb2N0b3JlZC1tcy0xMy1pbmst aXMtcmVhbFwvIiwiZXZlbnRJbmZvX21lc3NhZ2VJZCI6IlhhTj QyUGl2VWh2eGtSQ05YNnJUeCJ9&citationMarker=9F742443-6C92-4C44-BF58-8F5A7C53B6F1) [B](https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/01/politics/abrego-garcias-tattoos-explainer?copilot_analytics_metadata=eyJldmVudEluZ m9fY2xpY2tTb3VyY2UiOiJjaXRhdGlvbkxpbmsiLCJldmVudEl uZm9fY29udmVyc2F0aW9uSWQiOiJLcmNva3lWM3F2cmhVU0xNS 1oxNmgiLCJldmVudEluZm9fY2xpY2tEZXN0aW5hdGlvbiI6Imh 0dHBzOlwvXC93d3cuY25uLmNvbVwvMjAyNVwvMDVcLzAxXC9wb 2xpdGljc1wvYWJyZWdvLWdhcmNpYXMtdGF0dG9vcy1leHBsYWl uZXIiLCJldmVudEluZm9fbWVzc2FnZUlkIjoiWGFONDJQaXZVa HZ4a1JDTlg2clR4In0%3D&citationMarker=9F742443-6C92-4C44-BF58-8F5A7C53B6F1).

Considering this context, it's important to remember that while tattoos can carry personal or cultural meanings, digitally altered images can easily mislead the public by adding false details that were never originally part of the body art. This situation underscores a broader issue with misinformation and the use of technology to manipulate public perception, particularly when tied to contentious political narratives.

If you’re interested in exploring how the manipulation of images can affect public discourse or how symbolism is interpreted in different cultural contexts, there’s a rich discussion to be had about digital editing, media literacy, and the responsibility of public figures in disseminating information.

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From Copilot, citing Forbes and CNN as sources.

[grunt]

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It’s not photoshop. He has symbols tattooed on his knuckles which stand for MS-13. There is no doubt he has them on his hand, there is dispute about what they mean.

Apparently no dispute. They "stand for MS-13".

[Mcbizz1998]

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FFS

Again you clearly don’t know what happened. He absolutely has tattoo’s on his hand of a weed symbol, smiley face, crucifix and a skull. That is not photoshop. The question is, does it stand for MS-13? Homeland security believe it does.

[Mcbizz1998]

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Apparently no dispute. They "stand for MS-13".

Oh no! A typo, you got me!!

[grunt]

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Again you clearly don’t know what happened. He absolutely has tattoo’s on his hand of a weed symbol, smiley face, crucifix and a skull. That is not photoshop. The question is, does it stand for MS-13? Homeland security believe it does.

Should be pretty easy to prove. I mean, DHS have proved it haven't they? They have submitted evidence that supports their belief? Can you point to that evidence please?

[CropleyWasGod]

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Again you clearly don’t know what happened. He absolutely has tattoo’s on his hand of a weed symbol, smiley face, crucifix and a skull. That is not photoshop. The question is, does it stand for MS-13? Homeland security believe it does.

That just means he's probably a Linkin Park fan.

Come to think of it, you're maybe right. Deportation is too good for him.

[Moulin Yarns]

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It’s not photoshop. He has symbols tattooed on his knuckles which stand for MS-13. There is no doubt he has them on his hand, there is dispute about what they mean.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/4/30/does-abrego-garcia-have-ms-13-tattooed-on-his-knuckles-as-trump-claims


Yes or No.


The New York Times reported that most of the 238 men deported to El Salvador have neither criminal records in the US nor documented links to a Venezuelan prison gang.

[Paulie Walnuts]

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Again you clearly don’t know what happened. He absolutely has tattoo’s on his hand of a weed symbol, smiley face, crucifix and a skull. That is not photoshop. The question is, does it stand for MS-13? Homeland security believe it does.

I clearly know what happened.

Donald Trump was insistent he has MS13 tattooed on his hand - “ M, S, one, three, it says M, S, one, three. As clear as can be, not interpreted”.

His words, not mine. This is while he is looking at the photoshopped image, an image which you also indicated wasn’t photoshopped. Experts have indicated that there’s nothing to suggest they have anything to do with MS13.

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Oh no! A typo, you got me!!

Where was the typo? You stated something as fact, then in the next sentence you rowed back on that statement and said there was some dispute. I merely pointed out the inconsistency in your post. But I now understand it was apparently a typo.

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I will go to El Salvador instead of continuing to read this thread

[Mcbizz1998]

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Where was the typo? You stated something as fact, then in the next sentence you rowed back on that statement and said there was some dispute. I merely pointed out the inconsistency in your post. But I now understand it was apparently a typo.

I missed a word. Really sorry.

Difficult when I’m trying to respond to all of you. Been fun though. What did you all do before I came along?!

[CropleyWasGod]

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I missed a word. Really sorry.

Difficult when I’m trying to respond to all of you. Been fun though. What did you all do before I came along?!

Photoshop classes.

[Mcbizz1998]

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Photoshop classes.

😂

Boring!