What are your hopes versus expectations for next season?

[Greenbeard]

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I hope we produce a side that is good to watch and that we win at least as many games as we lose and draw put together.

When was the last time we did that, if we ever have?

I expect we'll struggle at the weekends while we're in Europe.

Barring all the other obvious hopes, that's about it.

Previous analysis showed that an average of 7 points every 4 games is usually good enough for 3rd.

[eastmainsmsh]

Same again but hope we get off to a flyer hopefully get a few games in Europe and cups

[Pagan Hibernia]

I would also add I hope we continue our excellent form in derbies. Let's get them sweating about the thought of us building a sustained period of dominance in the city.

Some hearts fans were nearly having a nervous breakdown when we put together a 9 game unbeaten run between 2014 and 2018, and then responded to their flukey win in the Scottish Cup with the natural order derby. More of that please hibs

[Paul1642]

Hope - 3rd and a LC win or 4th and a SC win, Derby dominance, European group stages.

Expectation -4th and two trips to Hampden, slight edge in the Derbys, drop out of Europe before the groups.

[Since452]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say I'm expecting 3rd again. Missing out on European group stages should see a decent gap over Aberdeen and we've just signed one of, if not their best player.

I hope for a cup win.

[Pretty Boy]

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I hope we produce a side that is good to watch and that we win at least as many games as we lose and draw put together.

When was the last time we did that, if we ever have?

I expect we'll struggle at the weekends while we're in Europe.

Barring all the other obvious hopes, that's about it.

We obviosuly achieved it in the Championship but in the top flight.............

We have never done it this century. Even the seasons we finished 3rd have seen us fail to do it:

(W/D/L)

00/01 - 18/12/8
04/05 - 18/7/13
17/18 (4th but our record top flights points total - 18/13/7)
20/21 - 18/19/11
24/25 - 15/13/10

It seems 18 wins a season is our ceiling

It's pretty rare across the board tbh, this century there has been:

23/24 - Hearts - 20/8/10
18/19 - Aberdeen - 20/7/11 (and they actually finished 4th, Killie were 3rd with 19/10/9)
17/18 - Aberdeen (2nd) - 22/7/9, Rangers (3rd) - 21/7/10
16/17 - Aberdeen (2nd) - 24/4/10
15/16 - Aberdeen (2nd) - 22/5/11
14/15 - Aberdeen (2nd) - 23/6/9
13/14 - Motherwell (2nd) - 22/4/12 Aberdeen (3rd) - 20/8/10
05/06 - Hearts (2nd) - 22/8/8 Rangers (3rd) - 21/10/7

The spell 13-18 is a total anomaly because of Rangers (and to a lesser extent Hibs and Hearts) being out the league for a long spell during that time. Generally the team that finishes 3rd wins between 15 and 19 games and you need 20 to reach that tipping point.

[Baader]

3rd and some silverware.

[Centre Hawf]

I'm expecting us to be top 5 to some degree. I'd be disappointed if we found ourselves chasing top 6 or worrying about our top 6 status come the last game before the split. Third is the overall objective but Europe is the minimum again would see me happy providing we're competitive throughout.

Cups are a wildcard, the draw has to be kind to us but I'd like to get to Hampden again.

[Just_Jimmy]

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I presume you are joking. Domestic trophies are trinkets. If we want the club to grow then you've got it the wrong way round.

Not at all. I assume you're being sarcastic?

A trophy is the pinnacle of sporting success. Otherwise, whats the point?

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[Pagan Hibernia]

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I'm expecting us to be top 5 to some degree. I'd be disappointed if we found ourselves chasing top 6 or worrying about our top 6 status come the last game before the split. Third is the overall objective but Europe is the minimum again would see me happy providing we're competitive throughout.

Cups are a wildcard, the draw has to be kind to us but I'd like to get to Hampden again.

Couldn't be any worse than it was last season! If these things even out, by the law of averages, we're due a decent run surely

[Wilson]

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You saying when we won a trinket in 2016 the club didnt grow/benefit financially? What the point of growing the club if not to win trinkets...

It's small time. Clubs that were nothing abroad are now feared names on the European draw thread. And why? Because of the regular runs they get in Europe, and the exposure and money that brings.

Winning a league cup gets silverware. Improves the stats. But does nothing for us really. We care. We noise up hearts fans. They care. Nobody outside Scotland cares and the financial rewards, compared to sustained runs in Europe, are chicken feed.

Europe is the bigger picture. The finance any run would get us is game changing. That anyone would see any priority in domestic cups is laughable.

[Pagan Hibernia]

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It's small time. Clubs that were nothing abroad are now feared names on the European draw thread. And why? Because of the regular runs they get in Europe, and the exposure and money that brings.

Winning a league cup gets silverware. Improves the stats. But does nothing for us really. We care. We noise up hearts fans. They care. Nobody outside Scotland cares and the financial rewards, compared to sustained runs in Europe, are chicken feed.

Europe is the bigger picture. The finance any run would get us is game changing. That anyone would see any priority in domestic cups is laughable.

Winning trophies is small time ... unbelievable

Can we not aim for both?

[Wilson]

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Not at all. I assume you're being sarcastic?

A trophy is the pinnacle of sporting success. Otherwise, whats the point?

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The pinnacle of domestic matters. It shows we beat out Raith Rovers and Livingston and the like to one of the ****kicker league's tin cups.

They don't matter as much as you think and they don't separate us from the chaff in this league.

[Wilson]

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Winning trophies is small time ... unbelievable

Can we not aim for both?

No. Prioritise being in Europe and getting back in to Europe. If we get near a final whilst resting players then maybe.

[JeMeSouviens]

Hopes - group stage/cup win/3rd

1/3 would be amazing, 2/3 would be dreamland

Expect - out in the qualifiers/at least one decent run if we avoid last year's sod's-law-draws/top 6.

[flash]

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No. Prioritise being in Europe and getting back in to Europe. If we get near a final whilst resting players then maybe.

Oh stop it.

[Ship of Hope]

My unrealistic hope is we win the lot and get into group stages and beyond in europe. My actual hope is we win both cups, finish 3rd in the league and get into the group stages in Europe. 😁My realistic hope is that we do well enough to make going along to easter road a fun & enjoyable experience and clapping rather than booing prevails. My expectation is that the team and management will give their all and hopefully the fanbase as well, we definitely get top 6 and don’t get knocked out cup by a minnow and learn from last seasons mistakes. Ggtth.

[Just_Jimmy]

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The pinnacle of domestic matters. It shows we beat out Raith Rovers and Livingston and the like to one of the ****kicker league's tin cups.

They don't matter as much as you think and they don't separate us from the chaff in this league.

They matter to me, and every real football fan no matter what club they support.

Is if a hibs fan is stating trophies don't matter...

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[Hibby Kay-Yay]

Hopes - 3rd and cup win, Conf League Group Stage
Expect - 4th/5th and good cup runs (s/f)

[Cabbage-Patch]

Ultimately I think we will see a drop off from this season. Renewed investment in Rangers and Hearts and European funding for Celtic and Aberdeen takes them further away from us in terms of financial clout.

If we can qualify for Europe again and get to a final then I think that would be considered a successful season.

[superfurryhibby]

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It's small time. Clubs that were nothing abroad are now feared names on the European draw thread. And why? Because of the regular runs they get in Europe, and the exposure and money that brings.

Winning a league cup gets silverware. Improves the stats. But does nothing for us really. We care. We noise up hearts fans. They care. Nobody outside Scotland cares and the financial rewards, compared to sustained runs in Europe, are chicken feed.

Europe is the bigger picture. The finance any run would get us is game changing. That anyone would see any priority in domestic cups is laughable.

I suspect there's a bit more to a club being feared names than sustained runs in Europe. These clubs will have bigger revenues from domestic football coverage, investment from wealthy owners etc.

As for winning a trophy doing nothing etc. You have obviously never attended a Hibs final where we won? The 2016 one will always be the greatest day of my life, outside of family. That matters, a lot, for many Hibs fans. Fanbtasy sustained runs in Europe may bring financial reward, but I don't love Hibs because of the joy of a balance sheet.

The only thing laughable in these posts is your own nonsense, you're at the wind-up and just coming across as too desperate.

People are saying we can have both. You understand that it's not one or the other?

[easty]

I don't expect us to finish 3rd. It's just rare for the 3rd best side to repeat that the next season.

As always the minimum we should be looking for is 5th. Anything less than that is a failure with the budget we work with compared to the other sides in the league.

Would be good to get the Hampden for a final, a win would be a bonus.

Cup wins over Euro places for me, every time.

[ekhibee]

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Hopes - 3rd in league, win a cup, group stages in Europe.

Expectations - 4/5th in league, semis for both cups, out one round before the groups.

Yep, this.

[tug.lismore]

Every season is very much a stand alone event.

How we performed in the last season has little or no real bearing on how next season will go.

Except that having had such a great run of results in the second half of said season then expectations are now raised.

Difficult to see how we can realistically improve on 3rd. Best of the rest is as good as we can do and will be difficult next season. But achievable. Not being bottom of the league in November would be helpful.

Avoiding Celtic in the cups would be nice. Getting to at least one final would be brilliant and we can obviously dream of winning a cup.

What's really good is that the promised major revamp of the playing squad we have been expecting this summer is less major than seemed required this time last year.

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[JohnM1875]

My hope is a Cup win, it always will be at the start of any season.

I expect us to qualify for Europe again next season. It has to be the minimum going forward of we’re to properly kick on.

[superfurryhibby]

Hopes are for continuing to play enjoyable football and more wins v our key opponents. Third place would be excellent and a cup win most joyous. A decent showing in Europe would be welcomed by all.

Expectations are high for me, we have the Gordon's committed to the club and excellent leadership in Gray and Mackay. Hopefully the BK's show intent and back the club. I think this team has a solid foundation and with the right backing, we can build on last year.

[Hibrandenburg]

I just want that we're not a one season wonder. It would be great if we could continue at the same level we achieved last season and solidify our position as Scotland's 3rd best team.

[flash]

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I just want that we're not a one season wonder. It would be great if we could continue at the same level we achieved last season and solidify our position as Scotland's 3rd best team.

This is massive as it's very rare that the team who finishes 3rd maintains their level the following season.

[SickBoy32]

Hopes:
Cup win.
100% record in the derby.

Expectations:
Top 6 finish, without a Cup win sadly.

Imagine Celtic will be back to their treble winning ways, and can’t see us repeating a 3rd place finish to be honest.

[Thatdayinmay16]

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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say I'm expecting 3rd again. Missing out on European group stages should see a decent gap over Aberdeen and we've just signed one of, if not their best player.

I hope for a cup win.

This was my takeaway from the SC final.

Was absolutely gutted, but now knowing we'll be playing one game a week, I'd really fancy us to go on and finish 3rd now especially if we strengthen our squad.

Hearts will obviously fancy themselves for that spot, but if they lose Shankland and don't replace him I can see them struggling again.