Tories are still lying *******s

[Ozyhibby]

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What a surprise. This outgoing Prime Minister honours list thing can get right to ****. I'm sure Sir James Cleverly and Lord Alister Jack wouldn't afree with me

You’re quite mistaken because Labour are getting rid of the House of Lords so this can’t be happening.


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[McSwanky]

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You’re quite mistaken because Labour are getting rid of the House of Lords so this can’t be happening.


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Aren't they just

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[Bostonhibby]

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You’re quite mistaken because Labour are getting rid of the House of Lords so this can’t be happening.


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Collateral damage having to see all these horrible Tories sneaking/slithering into the lords for generations when you were the incoming leader who was pledged to putting an end to this shameful expensive institution.

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This is what Labour are doing!



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/ea...e-school-fees/

Edit to add this link to a stock photo: Could this whole story be a complete lie? Are newspapers allowed to fabricate stories?

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-p...side-177006692

[nonshinyfinish]

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This is what Labour are doing!



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/ea...e-school-fees/

Edit to add this link to a stock photo: Could this whole story be a complete lie? Are newspapers allowed to fabricate stories?

https://www.shutterstock.com/image-p...side-177006692

Has the story been deleted? I just get the Telegraph home page when I follow your link.

Internet Archive has a saved version here: https://web.archive.org/web/20250525...e-school-fees/

[CropleyWasGod]

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Has the story been deleted? I just get the Telegraph home page when I follow your link.

Internet Archive has a saved version here: https://web.archive.org/web/20250525...e-school-fees/

It's not the school fees, it's the gardener that's the issue:-

“The gardener used to come twice a month, but then he increased his costs from £230 a year to £245 a year. We only have him come once every other month now.”



They should publish the gardener's name. At those rates, they'll get plenty of business. (realise it's probably a typo)

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Douglas Ross given the red card at Holyrood today, sent packing by the presiding officer 🤣

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Douglas Ross given the red card at Holyrood today, sent packing by the presiding officer 🤣

And no surprise that the BBC website headline is "Tories in Bias Claim".

He is an odious creep, my late auntie would have taken great pleasure in calling him a wee sweetie wife.

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And no surprise that the BBC website headline is "Tories in Bias Claim".

He is an odious creep, my late auntie would have taken great pleasure in calling him a wee sweetie wife.

Shock shambles of an organisation

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Murdo Fraser on possible tourist levy.

"Visit Scotland tell me number of visitors from the UK to Scotland has fallen. One reason could be high VAT rate in Scotland compared to other countries"


Let that sink in.

[jamie_1875]

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Murdo Fraser on possible tourist levy.

"Visit Scotland tell me number of visitors from the UK to Scotland has fallen. One reason could be high VAT rate in Scotland compared to other countries"


Let that sink in.

The VAT charged on hotels in the UK, so Scotland is included, is high compared to other countries, only Denmark is higher in Europe so adding a tourist levy makes it even more expensive to stay in Scotland, so was that his point? Hence lower visitor numbers? What's so bad about that? Other than him being Murdo Fraser of course.

[Ozyhibby]

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The VAT charged on hotels in the UK, so Scotland is included, is high compared to other countries, only Denmark is higher in Europe so adding a tourist levy makes it even more expensive to stay in Scotland, so was that his point? Hence lower visitor numbers? What's so bad about that? Other than him being Murdo Fraser of course.

It’s a common concern on here how few tourists we have in Edinburgh. People are still coming to Scotland and I suspect overall visitor numbers are up or Murdo would not have been specific about visitors from the UK.


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[Hibs4185]

Will the Tories even exist in a couple of years? All the rats will abandon ship to reform

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Murdo Fraser on possible tourist levy. "Visit Scotland tell me number of visitors from the UK to Scotland has fallen. One reason could be high VAT rate in Scotland compared to other countries"

Let that sink in.

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The VAT charged on hotels in the UK, so Scotland is included, is high compared to other countries, only Denmark is higher in Europe so adding a tourist levy makes it even more expensive to stay in Scotland, so was that his point? Hence lower visitor numbers? What's so bad about that? Other than him being Murdo Fraser of course.

What's bad is that VAT is set by the UK Government, a Government run by Murdo's colleagues for 14 of the last 15 years. So he's responsoble for the "high VAT rate". And his description of the "high VAT rate in Scotland" implies that it's something Scotland has control over, when he knows full well - as do you - that VAT is reserved to the UK Government. That's what's bad about his comments.

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What's bad is that VAT is set by the UK Government, a Government run by Murdo's colleagues for 14 of the last 15 years. So he's responsoble for the "high VAT rate". And his description of the "high VAT rate in Scotland" implies that it's something Scotland has control over, when he knows full well - as do you - that VAT is reserved to the UK Government. That's what's bad about his comments.

Spot on.

The vast majority of my customers are tourists from abroad, last month I had a coachload of north Americans, today I will have a coachload of Norwegians. I love tourists, and I doubt whether VAT is a factor in deciding where to holiday, similarly I don't expect a tourist levy to impact it either.

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It’s a common concern on here how few tourists we have in Edinburgh. People are still coming to Scotland and I suspect overall visitor numbers are up or Murdo would not have been specific about visitors from the UK.


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In 2023 domestic tourism was down which makes up the bulk of tourism but international tourism was up. Hard to see overall numbers for some reason, but I think the point he was making was VAT compared to rest of Europe is high in the UK and adding a further tax could make us even more uncompetitive, which is a reasonable point IMO.

Edinburgh was recently voted the most expensive city break in Western Europe. If people are still coming great but there will be a tipping point if it just keeps getting more and more expensive.

https://www.itv.com/news/2025-05-16/edinburgh-is-most-expensive-city-break-destination-in-western-europe-study

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Spot on.

The vast majority of my customers are tourists from abroad, last month I had a coachload of north Americans, today I will have a coachload of Norwegians. I love tourists, and I doubt whether VAT is a factor in deciding where to holiday, similarly I don't expect a tourist levy to impact it either.

I suspect price is a factor for most people when they holiday. Don't you check and compare prices? That's like saying the price of a car isn't something to consider when buying a new car, VAT is just part of that overall price.

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In 2023 domestic tourism was down which makes up the bulk of tourism but international tourism was up. Hard to see overall numbers for some reason, but I think the point he was making was VAT compared to rest of Europe is high in the UK and adding a further tax could make us even more uncompetitive, which is a reasonable point IMO.

Edinburgh was recently voted the most expensive city break in Western Europe. If people are still coming great but there will be a tipping point if it just keeps getting more and more expensive.

https://www.itv.com/news/2025-05-16/edinburgh-is-most-expensive-city-break-destination-in-western-europe-study

Excuse after excuse.

Anyway hotels and anyone else, particularly in Edinburgh, have a bloody cheek complaining about a 2.5% levy when they're charging more than £400 a night for a bang average room; student accommodation at more than £350 a night


Aye, but it's the 2.5% that's putting them off! 😆

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Excuse after excuse.

Anyway hotels and anyone else, particularly in Edinburgh, have a bloody cheek complaining about a 2.5% levy when they're charging more than £400 a night for a bang average room; student accommodation at more than £350 a night


Aye, but it's the 2.5% that's putting them off!

And the reason they can charge those prices? The demand is massive and the supply is restricted. We can comfortably add a tax which will help fund the city.


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As someone who travels along Princes Street both ways a few times a week I've never seen Edinburgh so busy with Tourists, normally you have an off season, the last year or so that doesn't seem to have happened, it's been rammed the whole way through

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Spot on.

The vast majority of my customers are tourists from abroad, last month I had a coachload of north Americans, today I will have a coachload of Norwegians. I love tourists, and I doubt whether VAT is a factor in deciding where to holiday, similarly I don't expect a tourist levy to impact it either.

The higher VAT rate (21%) doesn't appear to impact the number of tourists in Madrid/Barcelona.... in fact the locals are demonstrating in the streets demanding a reduction in tourists!

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I suspect price is a factor for most people when they holiday. Don't you check and compare prices? That's like saying the price of a car isn't something to consider when buying a new car, VAT is just part of that overall price.

You don't see the VAT in a holiday separately. You look at total price. The same will apply to any tourist levy. I often have short breaks in Edinburgh and Glasgow, I don't break it down into the various cost components, do you??


Anyways, murdo claiming that Scotland has a high VAT rate, ignoring that it's uk wide.

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Is there literally a shred of truth in any of that?

Barking mad it really is

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She's attending a love in in Hungary, lots of photo opportunities with other European parties like the AfD. She'll be picking up her check from Putin like the other nutters he can't post it directly to.

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She's attending a love in in Hungary, lots of photo opportunities with other European parties like the AfD. She'll be picking up her check from Putin like the other nutters he can't post it directly to.

About the size of it absolutely bonkers

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Is there literally a shred of truth in any of that?

Barking mad it really is

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No, it’s total, complete and utter bollocks.

Quite scary to think that she managed to find herself Prime Minister so recently, it’s scary to see how high the stupid and downright dishonest can rise in the modern world.

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She's definitely getting the odd gig from a few right wing nutters, maybe the crackpot running Hungary will get her to help with a bit of financial advice as well?

Not many hidey holes left for this dim lightweight politician so an appeal to the populist right might be the way to go?

Hopefully this time she can find where she's talking about on a map.

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[grunt]