Jake Doyle-Hayes

[Paulie Walnuts]

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Some amount of poor “information” on this thread.

I hope he gets what he wants.

The PFA will know what they are doing.

What part of that is incorrect?

Hibs accepted an offer. He turned it down. That’s entirely his problem, nobody else’s.

I hope, and fully expect, he’ll get **** all. It’s an embarrassing cash grab from a dreadful player.

[Fifeshirehibs]

The immunity these lawyers get when pleading or advising pee eye ess itch is crazy. Can't wait for Tamsons to argue that Aston Villa realised their mistake and were about to bid millions for jdh and beat the mighty Forest Green Rovers to bring jdh back.

[Hibees1973]

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This won't cost Hibs anything - we'll have insurance.

If that's the case then, all Hibs will be required to do is to provide evidence to the insurance company how Johnson 'injured' JDH.

Will it not then be our insurance company who will decide to either negotiate a pay off for JDH or take it to court.

We will have little say, or none at all on what happens between our insurers and the JDH legal team.

[andrew70]

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What part of that is incorrect?

Hibs accepted an offer. He turned it down. That’s entirely his problem, nobody else’s.

I hope, and fully expect, he’ll get **** all. It’s an embarrassing cash grab from a dreadful player.

That’s what you believe.

They actively stood in his way though. Strange way to conduct themselves.

There’s also the fact that there has been huge changes at football and business level in the aftermath of all this but yes it’s all JDH’s fault.

Good luck to him.

[JimBHibees]

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I’m not making any judgement on whether he’ll by successful with it, and it’s not overthinking to know what you’re talking about.
His solicitors clearly think he’s got a better than 50/50 chance of winning otherwise they wouldn’t be taking the case.

I would assume there will be many cases when lawyers accept a case when they think the chances are significantly less than 50/50. This one they will be banking on Hibs not wanting to go to court and negotiating a compromise

[SunshineOnLeith]

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If that's the case then, all Hibs will be required to do is to provide evidence to the insurance company how Johnson 'injured' JDH.

Will it not then be our insurance company who will decide to either negotiate a pay off for JDH or take it to court.

We will have little say, or none at all on what happens between our insurers and the JDH legal team.

Yup, case will appear on the court rolls as JDH v Hibs but ultimately it's the insurance company running things/deciding if, when and how much to settle it for.

[andrew70]

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Are the PFA involved?

Yes.

With one or two others as well I believe.

[Jamesie]

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Surely his claim should be against LJ?

An employer generally, in most cases, has vicarious liability for the actions of its employee. So no need to pursue LJ.

[Paulie Walnuts]

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That’s what you believe.

They actively stood in his way though. Strange way to conduct themselves.

There’s also the fact that there has been huge changes at football and business level in the aftermath of all this but yes it’s all JDH’s fault.

Good luck to him.

No, it’s not what I believe, it’s what happened. The club wanted him gone, he didn’t want to go.

**** him.

[andrew70]

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No, it’s not what I believe, it’s what happened. The club wanted him gone, he didn’t want to go.

**** him.

We’ll soon see.

[Tyler Durden]

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Yes.

With one or two others as well I believe.

You believe. Clearly all your information is 100% accurate and other people are the ones guilty of posting “poor information”.

[andrew70]

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You believe. Clearly all your information is 100% accurate and other people are the ones guilty of posting “poor information”.

I certainly trust what I’ve been told. Couldn’t be much closer to the horses mouth yes. Anyway I hope he gets what he deserves.

Between Youan, JDH and others this place is brutal. Hopefully these guys never read the nonsense spouted about them on here.

Zero respect for anyone’s mental health that’s for sure.

[green day]

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I certainly trust what I’ve been told. Couldn’t be much closer to the horses mouth yes. Anyway I hope he gets what he deserves.

Between Youan, JDH and others this place is brutal. Hopefully these guys never read the nonsense spouted about them on here.

Zero respect for anyone’s mental health that’s for sure.

Not having a go at you, but you have posted a few times that what others have said on this thread is wrong - that being the case, perhaps enlighten us as to what has, allegedly happened?

Also, when you say your info "couldnt be closer to the horses mouth" does that mean someone at Hibs, or JDH, or someone on his legal team? Because the answer to that question also has implications for what you were told.

Cheers

[andrew70]

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Not having a go at you, but you have posted a few times that what others have said on this thread is wrong - that being the case, perhaps enlighten us as to what has, allegedly happened?

Also, when you say your info "couldnt be closer to the horses mouth" does that mean someone at Hibs, or JDH, or someone on his legal team? Because the answer to that question also has implications for what you were told.

Cheers

It will all come out in the wash.

Hibs were a complete shambles hence major changes since, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realise there were a lot of issues caused by the way players/personnel were treated.

I definitely don’t know anyone legal but players have people who look after them outside of legalities. He deserves all the support he needs/gets.

The PFA are very good at what they do when required.

[Brightside]

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That’s what you believe.

They actively stood in his way though. Strange way to conduct themselves.

There’s also the fact that there has been huge changes at football and business level in the aftermath of all this but yes it’s all JDH’s fault.

Good luck to him.

Spot on. The clean out has been first class.

[Brightside]

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Could be an interesting precedent set by this case.

Every time a player is injured then there would be grounds to sue the player responsible

- the injured player could sue for lost appearance money or bonuses whilst out
- clubs would sue for the wages they're paying to someone who is unavailable or, if the club is insured, their insurers would sue to cover their pay out
- clubs could sue for lost earnings because the unavailable player could have helped them progress in the cup or finish higher up the league

All with the same validity that Doyle-Hayes has for claiming he has lost out.

Not at all. The case is all around the working practices of the manager at the time. It’s not just the tackle.

[Pretty Boy]

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It will all come out in the wash.

Hibs were a complete shambles hence major changes since, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realise there were a lot of issues caused by the way players/personnel were treated.

I definitely don’t know anyone legal but players have people who look after them outside of legalities. He deserves all the support he needs/gets.

The PFA are very good at what they do when required.

It is quite interesting that plenty people were all too happy to lay into Johnson and others at the club, often deservedly so, at the time, but now an actual employee during that period has raised a grievance it's 'aye **** off mate, Hibs have done nowt wrong'.

As I said about 5 pages ago it's a legacy issue rather than reflective of the club now. Hibs obviously felt there were issues as plenty people were shipped out in recent times.

[green day]

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It will all come out in the wash.

Hibs were a complete shambles hence major changes since, it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realise there were a lot of issues caused by the way players/personnel were treated.

I definitely don’t know anyone legal but players have people who look after them outside of legalities. He deserves all the support he needs/gets.

The PFA are very good at what they do when required.

I am not a rocket scientist, nor am I (or most people on this board) close to agents etc who can tell us about the practices at the club.

Its difficult to know if you are suggesting that JDH was treated poorly, or if there was a culture of bullying at East Mains.

The board is great for many things, but if people are not clear about things, it allows rumour and speculation to grow.

As you say, it will all emerge in the wash.

[Brightside]

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I am not a rocket scientist, nor am I (or most people on this board) close to agents etc who can tell us about the practices at the club.

Its difficult to know if you are suggesting that JDH was treated poorly, or if there was a culture of bullying at East Mains.

The board is great for many things, but if people are not clear about things, it allows rumour and speculation to grow.

As you say, it will all emerge in the wash.

Both

[matty_f]

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I would assume there will be many cases when lawyers accept a case when they think the chances are significantly less than 50/50. This one they will be banking on Hibs not wanting to go to court and negotiating a compromise

What’s that assumption based on?
Reputable ones generally won’t without good cause, I’m told.

[green day]

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Both

In that case, that reflects poorly on those Hibs employees involved at the time. Hopefully all now binned.

Also, if JDH wins, we could be on the hook for more payouts..............

[Brightside]

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In that case, that reflects poorly on those Hibs employees involved at the time. Hopefully all now binned.

Also, if JDH wins, we could be on the hook for more payouts..............

As others have pointed out there was many examples around that time.

[matty_f]

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Not at all. The case is all around the working practices of the manager at the time. It’s not just the tackle.

“These injuries should never have happened and were incurred due to incompetent and incoherent decisions made by his manager. Jake’s career has been derailed by mismanagement and ineptitude.

“A career has been lost to this athlete. We will get him compensation.”

I think you’re stretching to take it to general working practices, the article in the EEN that this quote is taken to says the case is around decisions relating to the tackle and injury, not wider incompetence.

[Wilson]

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It is quite interesting that plenty people were all too happy to lay into Johnson and others at the club, often deservedly so, at the time, but now an actual employee during that period has raised a grievance it's 'aye **** off mate, Hibs have done nowt wrong'.

As I said about 5 pages ago it's a legacy issue rather than reflective of the club now. Hibs obviously felt there were issues as plenty people were shipped out in recent times.

Weren’t people's issues with Lee mainly down to poor results and that he talked a lot of *****?

It's a stretch to imagine that the lay person is going to jump from that to denigrating everyone and everything behind the scenes, on one useless player's say-so.

[Brightside]

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“These injuries should never have happened and were incurred due to incompetent and incoherent decisions made by his manager. Jake’s career has been derailed by mismanagement and ineptitude.

“A career has been lost to this athlete. We will get him compensation.”

I think you’re stretching to take it to general working practices, the article in the EEN that this quote is taken to says the case is around decisions relating to the tackle and injury, not wider incompetence.

They aren’t just talking about the tackle tho Matty. That’s just an example of the mismanagement.

[Eyrie]

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That’s what you believe.

They actively stood in his way though. Strange way to conduct themselves.

There’s also the fact that there has been huge changes at football and business level in the aftermath of all this but yes it’s all JDH’s fault.

Good luck to him.

Why would Hibs stand in the way of a player leaving who wasn't getting a game because he had too few games where he was good enough?

[matty_f]

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They aren’t just talking about the tackle tho Matty. That’s just an example of the mismanagement.

Where are you getting that from?

[Springbank]

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Why would Hibs stand in the way of a player leaving who wasn't getting a game because he had too few games where he was good enough?

With his playing performances since 2021 (poor) and his taking a club to court antics (red flag) I don't see there being any queue of clubs wanting to sign Jake Doyle Hayes, and the culprit is one man, who goes by the name of Jake Doyle Hayes.

Career over, and it's all his own fault (with special mention to those advising him badly)

[CentreLine]

I am just glad Hibs are not coming out fighting, with press releases and denials like we see elsewhere. It feels like there is a dignified, quiet, approach to just let this run its course and trust the judicial system.

Also fair for it to be open season for conjecture on here. After all, there’s no football to talk about and we need something to keep us interested until signings start to happen and the draw comes through for Europa league qualifying.

If there is no case to answer then I hope JDH gets nothing. If there is, I hope Hibs acknowledge it, pay suitable competition and move on.

[andrew70]

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Why would Hibs stand in the way of a player leaving who wasn't getting a game because he had too few games where he was good enough?

Your guess is as good as mine. A couple of times JDH had very good offers and wanted to leave, only due to issues with staff I must say.

He has never spoke badly about the club as a whole but personnel especially were ignoring the human element to him and a few others.

Thankfully the dirt has been washed out this is merely the residue that deserves better treatment.