Willie Collum and media gaslighting

[matty_f]

Rangers’ complaints about VAR not flagging to the referee that the ball had crossed the line (we’ll ignore the foul on Rocky for now) are a direct result of Celtic’s tears about having a goal rightly disallowed at Easter Rd earlier in the season.

We found ourselves in the ridiculous situation where Collum watched and listened to the VAR pinpoint the moment the ball went out of play, and then proceed to tell us that the VAR couldn’t have been sure and that you’d need conclusive proof, otherwise you need to go with the on field decision.

It was a weird take, there had been no such insistence on VAR needing anything other than the eye test for these scenarios up until that point, but it meant that Rangers were able to take the ball just over the byline at Pittodrie before cutting it back to score - the linesman from the other side of the pitch and some distance back ruled that the ball never went out, and VAR weren’t allowed to trust their eyes to say otherwise, and the goal stood.

Today we saw a situation where it looks like the ball has crossed the line (to some) and now because Collum chucked the VAR under the bus to appease Celtic, they refused to use their eyes for what looked like a fairly easy decision to make.

The gaslighting from Collum, the media, and Celtic (throw in Jim Goodwin for pretending he couldn’t see a handball) has made VAR incapable of ruling on the type of incidents it’s there for.

It’s a shambolic situation, caused by a massive overreaction to what was a correct decision at Easter Rd and a referee chief who was too scared to back his team in the face of criticism.

Quite glad it’s gone in our favour again, if I’m completely honest. 😂😂

[Keith_M]

All the decisions seem to go in our favour now.

I think we need a full and honest investigation into this, very clear, pro-Hibs bias.

[JohnM1875]

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All the decisions seem to go in our favour now.

I think we need a full and honest investigation into this, very clear, pro-Hibs bias.

To be fair, Moriah-Welsh was very lucky not to get a second yellow.

[coldingham hibs]

I thought the referees already had the buzzer that indicates if the ball has crossed the goal line, obviously not the whole goal line but the area between the posts. Just shows what I know 😂

[Donegal Hibby]

It’s a classic case of moving the goalposts … Willie Collum says there as to be conclusive evidence that the ball crossed the line against Celtic and now the huns are having hissy fit because things didn’t go the way they wanted . Micheal Stewart’s even came out with ‘ it’s fairly conclusive ‘ nonsense ..

Here’s one I thought they were fortunate to get away with…

https://www.footballinsider247.com/e...angers-v-hibs/

[truehibernian]

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It’s a classic case of moving the goalposts … Willie Collum says there as to be conclusive evidence that the ball crossed the line against Celtic and now the huns are having hissy fit because things didn’t go the way the wanted . Micheal Stewart’s even came out with ‘ it’s fairly conclusive ‘ nonsense ..

Here’s one I thought they were fortunate to get away with…

https://www.footballinsider247.com/e...angers-v-hibs/

Michael Stewart changed his opinion between Sportsound and Sportscene 😂

Personally I think clubs outwith the Old Firm should combine and fully support both getting out of Scotland 👍

[JohnM1875]

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Michael Stewart changed his opinion between Sportsound and Sportscene 😂

Personally I think clubs outwith the Old Firm should combine and fully support both getting out of Scotland 👍

Shock. Guys a complete throbber.

[Wilson]

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Rangers’ complaints about VAR not flagging to the referee that the ball had crossed the line (we’ll ignore the foul on Rocky for now) are a direct result of Celtic’s tears about having a goal rightly disallowed at Easter Rd earlier in the season.

We found ourselves in the ridiculous situation where Collum watched and listened to the VAR pinpoint the moment the ball went out of play, and then proceed to tell us that the VAR couldn’t have been sure and that you’d need conclusive proof, otherwise you need to go with the on field decision.

It was a weird take, there had been no such insistence on VAR needing anything other than the eye test for these scenarios up until that point, but it meant that Rangers were able to take the ball just over the byline at Pittodrie before cutting it back to score - the linesman from the other side of the pitch and some distance back ruled that the ball never went out, and VAR weren’t allowed to trust their eyes to say otherwise, and the goal stood.

Today we saw a situation where it looks like the ball has crossed the line (to some) and now because Collum chucked the VAR under the bus to appease Celtic, they refused to use their eyes for what looked like a fairly easy decision to make.

The gaslighting from Collum, the media, and Celtic (throw in Jim Goodwin for pretending he couldn’t see a handball) has made VAR incapable of ruling on the type of incidents it’s there for.

It’s a shambolic situation, caused by a massive overreaction to what was a correct decision at Easter Rd and a referee chief who was too scared to back his team in the face of criticism.

Quite glad it’s gone in our favour again, if I’m completely honest. 😂😂

I stopped reading your post at "rightly disallowed". That was the crux of the debate. They had no right to disallow. Whether the decision was correct or not. The process was not followed. Not sticking to the rules leads to inconsistency. Inconsistency is a flaw which renders the system useless.

I'm not doing this again though. The decision went our way which suits the hard of thinking. That time it went our way.

[Fifeshirehibs]

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I stopped reading your post at "rightly disallowed". That was the crux of the debate. They had no right to disallow. Whether the decision was correct or not. The process was not followed. Not sticking to the rules leads to inconsistency. Inconsistency is a flaw which renders the system useless.

I'm not doing this again though. The decision went our way which suits the hard of thinking. That time it went our way.

Weird post, I initially thought it would take Collum longer to messup

[gbhibby]

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I stopped reading your post at "rightly disallowed". That was the crux of the debate. They had no right to disallow. Whether the decision was correct or not. The process was not followed. Not sticking to the rules leads to inconsistency. Inconsistency is a flaw which renders the system useless.

I'm not doing this again though. The decision went our way which suits the hard of thinking. That time it went our way.

There was a match before the Hibs v Celtic game in another country in which a goal was disallowed as they wound back to check if the ball had crossed the line for a goal kick it was marginal but VAR ruled that it crossed the line from a image from one of the camera angles. So if VAR intervenes and is in their opinion that they have an angle that they can make decision you have to go with that and accept it.
The VAR officials will be sh** scared to make a decision on marginal calls now because of Collum throwing them under the bus. That's what VAR was brought in for to get decisions right and help onfield officials

[007]

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Michael Stewart changed his opinion between Sportsound and Sportscene 😂

Personally I think clubs outwith the Old Firm should combine and fully support both getting out of Scotland 👍

Didn't hear him on Sportsound but have seen him on Sportscene. I agree with him, I think it probably was over the line but it was difficult for the officials to give it.

I don't think Rocky was fouled so I think we got away with one this time, that's our one iffy decision in a blue moon versus them compared to those they get all the time.

[matty_f]

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I stopped reading your post at "rightly disallowed". That was the crux of the debate. They had no right to disallow. Whether the decision was correct or not. The process was not followed. Not sticking to the rules leads to inconsistency. Inconsistency is a flaw which renders the system useless.

I'm not doing this again though. The decision went our way which suits the hard of thinking. That time it went our way.

I didn't read your post.

[Viva_Palmeiras]

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Rangers’ complaints about VAR not flagging to the referee that the ball had crossed the line (we’ll ignore the foul on Rocky for now) are a direct result of Celtic’s tears about having a goal rightly disallowed at Easter Rd earlier in the season.

We found ourselves in the ridiculous situation where Collum watched and listened to the VAR pinpoint the moment the ball went out of play, and then proceed to tell us that the VAR couldn’t have been sure and that you’d need conclusive proof, otherwise you need to go with the on field decision.

It was a weird take, there had been no such insistence on VAR needing anything other than the eye test for these scenarios up until that point, but it meant that Rangers were able to take the ball just over the byline at Pittodrie before cutting it back to score - the linesman from the other side of the pitch and some distance back ruled that the ball never went out, and VAR weren’t allowed to trust their eyes to say otherwise, and the goal stood.

Today we saw a situation where it looks like the ball has crossed the line (to some) and now because Collum chucked the VAR under the bus to appease Celtic, they refused to use their eyes for what looked like a fairly easy decision to make.

The gaslighting from Collum, the media, and Celtic (throw in Jim Goodwin for pretending he couldn’t see a handball) has made VAR incapable of ruling on the type of incidents it’s there for.

It’s a shambolic situation, caused by a massive overreaction to what was a correct decision at Easter Rd and a referee chief who was too scared to back his team in the face of criticism.

Quite glad it’s gone in our favour again, if I’m completely honest. ����

Ungag the refs - mic them up for onfield explainations like the egg chasers.
Consign Collum tv personality to history. The folks officiating should not be the stars. If they are it becomes a bigger problem.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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I didn't read your post.

😂😂😂

[Danderhall Hibs]

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Rangers’ complaints about VAR not flagging to the referee that the ball had crossed the line (we’ll ignore the foul on Rocky for now) are a direct result of Celtic’s tears about having a goal rightly disallowed at Easter Rd earlier in the season.

We found ourselves in the ridiculous situation where Collum watched and listened to the VAR pinpoint the moment the ball went out of play, and then proceed to tell us that the VAR couldn’t have been sure and that you’d need conclusive proof, otherwise you need to go with the on field decision.

It was a weird take, there had been no such insistence on VAR needing anything other than the eye test for these scenarios up until that point, but it meant that Rangers were able to take the ball just over the byline at Pittodrie before cutting it back to score - the linesman from the other side of the pitch and some distance back ruled that the ball never went out, and VAR weren’t allowed to trust their eyes to say otherwise, and the goal stood.

Today we saw a situation where it looks like the ball has crossed the line (to some) and now because Collum chucked the VAR under the bus to appease Celtic, they refused to use their eyes for what looked like a fairly easy decision to make.

The gaslighting from Collum, the media, and Celtic (throw in Jim Goodwin for pretending he couldn’t see a handball) has made VAR incapable of ruling on the type of incidents it’s there for.

It’s a shambolic situation, caused by a massive overreaction to what was a correct decision at Easter Rd and a referee chief who was too scared to back his team in the face of criticism.

Quite glad it’s gone in our favour again, if I’m completely honest. 😂😂

What a great post. Get it to the SFA.

Collum changed the rules to quieten the noise, sacked his main VAR guy and now it’s cost Rangers a goal. Get out there and explain to them why Willie.

[tamig]

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I thought the referees already had the buzzer that indicates if the ball has crossed the goal line, obviously not the whole goal line but the area between the posts. Just shows what I know 😂

Down south yes. Goal line technology has never been rolled out up here. Don’t confuse it with VAR. Goal line tech has been used down south for a few years prior to VAR’s introduction.

[matty_f]

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Ungag the refs - mic them up for onfield explainations like the egg chasers.
Consign Collum tv personality to history. The folks officiating should not be the stars. If they are it becomes a bigger problem.

The VAR review on YouTube plays the audio for the decisions - which is why we know that the Celtic one was gaslighting - the VAR talked through when he saw the ball was out (conclusively, in his opinion) after dismissimg various angles that were not conclusive.

It's a really interesting show, would recommend it.

[LunasBoots]

You'd think it was just Rangers on the wrong end they way they and the media go on a crusade for the next two weeks, just have to look at the Hibs/St Mirren and St Johnstone games in the week to see other clubs on the end of dodgy calls.

[TheKiwiHibee]

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Rangers’ complaints about VAR not flagging to the referee that the ball had crossed the line (we’ll ignore the foul on Rocky for now) are a direct result of Celtic’s tears about having a goal rightly disallowed at Easter Rd earlier in the season.

We found ourselves in the ridiculous situation where Collum watched and listened to the VAR pinpoint the moment the ball went out of play, and then proceed to tell us that the VAR couldn’t have been sure and that you’d need conclusive proof, otherwise you need to go with the on field decision.

It was a weird take, there had been no such insistence on VAR needing anything other than the eye test for these scenarios up until that point, but it meant that Rangers were able to take the ball just over the byline at Pittodrie before cutting it back to score - the linesman from the other side of the pitch and some distance back ruled that the ball never went out, and VAR weren’t allowed to trust their eyes to say otherwise, and the goal stood.

Today we saw a situation where it looks like the ball has crossed the line (to some) and now because Collum chucked the VAR under the bus to appease Celtic, they refused to use their eyes for what looked like a fairly easy decision to make.

The gaslighting from Collum, the media, and Celtic (throw in Jim Goodwin for pretending he couldn’t see a handball) has made VAR incapable of ruling on the type of incidents it’s there for.

It’s a shambolic situation, caused by a massive overreaction to what was a correct decision at Easter Rd and a referee chief who was too scared to back his team in the face of criticism.

Quite glad it’s gone in our favour again, if I’m completely honest. 😂😂

Ahem, not sure that was the case Matty, this one at Pittodrie was disallowed and VAR wouldn't overrule the linesman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZYsEnSeS50&t=788s

But completely agree with you, after the Collum review of the Hibs v Celtic incident, I don't see how the VAR can ever overrule a ball out decision, no matter how far the ball is out until they upgrade the cameras.

[matty_f]

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Ahem, not sure that was the case Matty, this one at Pittodrie was disallowed and VAR wouldn't overrule the linesman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZYsEnSeS50&t=788s

But completely agree with you, after the Collum review of the Hibs v Celtic incident, I don't see how the VAR can ever overrule a ball out decision, no matter how far the ball is out until they upgrade the cameras.

Cheers - you're right. I thought the decision went the other way- think the point remains though, that VAR refused to make an assessment on it.

If anything it makes it a bit funnier that Rangers have been done twice on it, which of course doesn't make it right. Just funny.

[greenlex]

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Down south yes. Goal line technology has never been rolled out up here. Don’t confuse it with VAR. Goal line tech has been used down south for a few years prior to VAR’s introduction.

The thing is even if we had it here and the ball was proved to have not wholly crossed the line they would just be bleating the system was broken. Probably deliberate as the game is corrupt.

[BILLYHIBS]

Were The Rangers not denied a penalty in the League Cup Final for a free kick outside the box ?

Jesus wept

Pretty sure Gollum was involved in that fiasco as well throwing VAR under the bus ?

For once the VAR gods have been in our favour this season long may it continue but we definitely need goal line technology and an upgrade to the current VAR system in Scotland imho ( more cameras) maybe the Old Firm could chip in with a higher proportion of the cost as they can afford it and to stop their whining?

Semi automated offside would have been nice at Paisley?

[Speedy]

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Michael Stewart changed his opinion between Sportsound and Sportscene 😂

Personally I think clubs outwith the Old Firm should combine and fully support both getting out of Scotland 👍

To be fair, he said the same thing on sportsound as well. His initial take on sportsound was that it was over but then said well to caveat, I can sympathise with the officials because it looks over but you can't be 100%.

I agree with him in this case.

I think his comments about Youan were a lot of ***** on sportsound however.

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Didn't hear him on Sportsound but have seen him on Sportscene. I agree with him, I think it probably was over the line but it was difficult for the officials to give it.

I don't think Rocky was fouled so I think we got away with one this time, that's our one iffy decision in a blue moon versus them compared to those they get all the time.

We've had a few desicions go out way this season to be fair.

[hibsbollah]

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We've had a few desicions go out way this season to be fair.

The previous season we were brutalised by the officials, the worst i can ever remember for it.

[Dashing Bob S]

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All the decisions seem to go in our favour now.

I think we need a full and honest investigation into this, very clear, pro-Hibs bias.

Agreed. I’m Hibs through and through but I’m outraged that Rangers were robbed of two vital points.

[scm70nyd1973]

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Down south yes. Goal line technology has never been rolled out up here. Don’t confuse it with VAR. Goal line tech has been used down south for a few years prior to VAR’s introduction.

I’ve been banging on about it on SM since the final whistle- the penny seems to have dropped with the Huns.With camera angles you can’t determine if a ball is over the line so not “clear and obvious” - the debate should all be about goal line technology and why it isn’t in place - mibbies coz the clubs couldn’t afford - if so discussion switches to what do we do about it now.

[007]

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I’ve been banging on about it on SM since the final whistle- the penny seems to have dropped with the Huns.With camera angles you can’t determine if a ball is over the line so not “clear and obvious” - the debate should all be about goal line technology and why it isn’t in place - mibbies coz the clubs couldn’t afford - if so discussion switches to what do we do about it now.

Reduce 1st place prize money to £3m, 2nd to £2.75m and 3rd to £2.5m and use the c£1.7m to pay for it. After all, it's the 2 teams that usually finish 1st and 2nd that do the most complaining (for weeks on end) when a 50/50 call goes against them.

[Booked4Being-Ugly]

It was a foul on Rocky so should have been a free kick to Hibs.

There’s always controversy if things don’t go the old firms way. It’s just excuses to appease their fans though. Yesterday was all about preserving wee Baz’s ability to keep his job.

They’ve managed to convince their bigot fans that it was the refs fault they never won when in reality they weren’t that great a side yesterday.

[Gatecrasher]

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It was a foul on Rocky so should have been a free kick to Hibs.

There’s always controversy if things don’t go the old firms way. It’s just excuses to appease their fans though. Yesterday was all about preserving wee Baz’s ability to keep his job.

They’ve managed to convince their bigot fans that it was the refs fault they never won when in reality they weren’t that great a side yesterday.

This is the easiest get out for the officials/VAR if they want to use it. But Rangers will control the agenda though. If Rangers want goaline technology are they going to pay for it?