Me my nephew and both sons who are all in their 30's go to just about every away game as a group we have being doing this for at least 20 of these years, me a lot longer due to my age obviously. None of us out of principle paid the £50.00, but I will say that at least two of us if not all four would have got a ticket for the recent Aberdeen game if it had been down to loyalty points. I wonder though why we manged to get tickets no problem for the up coming game against celtic where the allocation was roughly the same for the two games.This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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Thread: Ĥibs First night
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08-05-2025 07:47 AM #31
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08-05-2025 08:08 AM #32
No system will please everyone and it's the same arguments every time.
Hibs First is fine but it has become pretty much a closed shop because of the cap on numbers. Once someone is in why would they leave? It's a guarantee of tickets for the biggest games with no obligation to buy for any other games. I think it will be a minority who use it as such, most will go to most away games and that absolutely should be recognised. However if someone had say a change in work pattern that would limit their attendance at away games would they give up their membership? I'm sceptical because ultimately it works out at about £1.30 a week over the course of the season to guarantee a ticket for Tynescastle, Ibrox, away cup games and European away trips. Well done to those who signed up at first but it does create an issue for those who couldn't commit to it 3 years ago but would like to now. Increasing the cap by another 250 or 500 creates issues of it's own.
The beauty of the loyalty schemes I have been in (Newcastle) is that points drop off after 2 years. Not all your points obviously but after 2 years, points that are 2 years and 1 day old drop off and so on. That creates a snapshot in time so the people attending most away game at any given period are at the top of the tree. It stops people who attend every away game now still being at the top in 5 years as a legacy even if their attendance drops off, whilst continuing to reward them if it doesn't. The big issue with loyalty points is that so many clubs now sell direct to away fans. Ayr this season is an example; Hibs communicated there was a priority period for Hibs First members but there wasn't. Ayr controlled the ticket sales and they didn't care about Hibs scheme, anyone who wanted a ticket on the first day of sales could have bought one and I know plenty who did just that. It would either entail Hibs taking control of all ticket sales which is costly or asking for access to another clubs data to update points and so on. Both a lot of work and additional costs for a scheme that would only really be needed a handful of times a season.
The away season ticket penalised a lot of loyal fans by obligating them to buy tickets for games whether they could attend or not. If someone is able to attend say 16 of 18 away games it's a bit unfair to charge them for the 2 games they miss imo. That ultimately works out more expensive than the Hibs First scheme in which an upfront payment of £50 removes the obligation (and that money ends up in Hibs coffers rather than Motherwell, Dundee etc).
People will pick holes in every scheme and generally speaking the 'best option' usually equates to 'the option that most suits my circumstances'. I'm at a point now where I have gone from attending all away games up until about 6 years ago to attending only a couple for a few years to now attending 8-10 again with that likely to increase again next season so I'd be happy to get either get into Hibs First if the opportunity ever arises or have a loyalty scheme reintroduced as both would see me right but that probably clouds my opinion because all I am really interested in is me.PM Awards General Poster of The Year 2015, 2016, 2017. Probably robbed in other years
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08-05-2025 08:13 AM #33This quote is hidden because you are ignoring this member. Show Quote
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08-05-2025 08:25 AM #34
Kind of an endless debate on this one every time it comes up, usually reaching a peak around Tynie (maybe some Euro trips next season?) as people lose out. Do think the club need to answer longer-term their plans on Hibs First, I don't think it's good enough to say 'you missed out 4 years ago, so tough'. Attending habits change, as Pretty Boy mentioned and no club should run closed shop loyalty schemes.
Anyone with issues should really be DM'ing or emailing Kieran Power to give him an idea of sentiment. Only real chance it gets looked at. The debate on here is bordering on a flag debate thread now. Entrenched, repetitive & it doesn't help change a thing.
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08-05-2025 08:37 AM #35
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The new panel can hopefully raise it and propose a solution. The club are trying to do it with little admin required - could just hearts for a copy and paste of the code for their system.
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08-05-2025 08:45 AM #36
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Until someone proposes an idea that keeps everyone happy AND brings the club money I doubt it'll change.
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We already, like many others, spend a fortune following the club only for it to be monetised further.
It’s not a great look but it’s also a scheme which it makes it easier for us to buy tickets and gives us a couple of days to buy so from that POV and the admin costs then £50 is worth it.
I never went last night down to the fact that even the Hibs First night is devalued. A two course meal down to a pie and a pint (I don’t drink) so glad most enjoyed themselves and I am grateful for the service but please bring back loyalty points.
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08-05-2025 09:10 AM #39
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Hopefully reintroducing the programme although I write for the independent one so not sure how that would work.
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08-05-2025 09:15 AM #40
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In theory it works great and I'd like to see Hibs get back to something similar.
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This membership could offer additional benefits, money off stadium tours, money off in the shop, potentially free home ticket to bring a friend, etc. none of this would really need much of a financial outlay.
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08-05-2025 10:37 AM #43
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08-05-2025 10:44 AM #44
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Hospitality memebers get offered tickets before they go on sale as well.
Hospitality / F-First / Players / Staff tickets - be lucky if there was 100 tickets went up for sale to ST holders.
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08-05-2025 12:47 PM #45
Maybe the Hibs first should introduce that you must be a ST holder (or are they already)and pay the 50 quid on top, or am I missing something?
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08-05-2025 12:49 PM #46
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08-05-2025 01:56 PM #47
SDG spoke so well and had time for everyone. We are so lucky to have him as our leader and I can see how rhe team are so inspired by him.
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08-05-2025 10:05 PM #48
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Was there an email that came out about tonight's event?
I couldn't find anything saying it was tonight.
Most likely bloody Hotmail again.
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09-05-2025 07:51 AM #49
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09-05-2025 10:53 AM #53
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I made a point in not purchasing Hibs First because I'm against monetising loyalty schemes.
We pay enough money to follow Hibs home and away without being subject to yet more expense.
There are people in Hibs First who attend nowhere near the amount of away games some of us do, yet come Europe etc, we may be without tickets, whilst everyone in Hibs First is covered.
What happened to the scheme being monitored as the club assured us?
The first item on the agenda for the newly formed supporter's panel should be the abandonment of Hibs First, and a fairer and fully accessible system going forward.
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09-05-2025 11:00 AM #55
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Any scheme should have a reset and allow new members.
My biggest issue with loyalty points with the inconsistency of how points were allocated - didn’t include some away games or even games to Hampden. I would say the loyalty scheme made people I know attend more games though as they wanted to get more points.
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I've also said before that I'm not sure how a loyalty scheme would be administered now with so many clubs selling away tickets direct, I genuinely have no idea how the handful of other clubs in Scotland that have/need loyalty schemes do it. I used Ayr earlier this season as an example of the whole system falling down but I've also definitely bought tickets from St Johnstone, Motherwell and Kilmarnock direct this season, there may well have been others too. If Hibs don't sell the tickets then they don't automatically know who has bought them which in turn makes allocating points difficult. There are really 2 options, no points for those games or ask fans to send proof of purchase. The first option potentially leads to 25-30% or maybe even more of league and cup games gaining no one any points while the latter adds a whole other level of administration and cost that the club can probably do without. I'm not sure if it would be possible to say we will deal with all ticket sales again but that also incurs additional costs and time. I'm sure there must be a reason so many clubs have switched to the current way of doing things.Last edited by Pretty Boy; 09-05-2025 at 11:39 AM.
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Maybe a way to stop the biggest games becoming a completely closed shop.
I think the issue last time was, as Danderhall said, that folk saw it as a league table but you also had folk harvesting points so they had enough to guarantee a ticket for the big games without necessarily attending the other away games themselves.
Loyalty points would suit me, when we had them before I was always in the first trench of tickets, and I go to more away games now than I managed back then now the kids are older. I don't think we should end up in a position where we have Hibs fans who are forever locked out of the best games to attend.
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09-05-2025 11:44 AM #60
I've changed my mind and all for loyalty points now IF they did it right. No points for hearts and a drop off of points every 3 or 5 years so they don't become closed shops either.
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