2024-25 season non-Hibs games thread

[Jones28]

Palmer makes the game look effortless, he’s a brilliant player.

[Hibspur]

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Pickford is right up there with Wilfred Zaha for being a detestable w****r.

On what basis? He's a hugely popular player with his team-mates and has been a terrific servant to Everton and England. I've always liked him as a player. Cracking keeper.

[Jones28]

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On what basis? He's a hugely popular player with his team-mates and has been a terrific servant to Everton and England. I've always liked him as a player. Cracking keeper.

I don’t get the Pickford hate either, he’s got the eccentricity people used to love in goalkeepers.

[Hibspur]

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Tarkowski regularly gets away with murder. Absolute thug

I don't think VAR even looked at it? Strong tackle but he took the ball cleanly and it was no more than a booking. I'd be disappointed if a Hibs player got sent off in a derby for that.

[Trinity Hibee]

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I don't think VAR even looked at it? Strong tackle but he took the ball cleanly and it was no more than a booking. I'd be disappointed if a Hibs player got sent off in a derby for that.

Not in today’s game. Even if you win the ball you can’t go through an opponent that high with that level of force.

[CropleyWasGod]

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I don't think VAR even looked at it? Strong tackle but he took the ball cleanly and it was no more than a booking. I'd be disappointed if a Hibs player got sent off in a derby for that.

They did.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...s/cr5dm1gny9ro

[Hibspur]

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They did.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...s/cr5dm1gny9ro

Ah, OK. Yet deemed the tackle no worse than a yellow.

[CropleyWasGod]

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Ah, OK. Yet deemed the tackle no worse than a yellow.

And PGMOL said they got it wrong.

For me, the referee can be excused, as he only saw it once. VAR can't, as they saw it many times.

[Donegal Hibby]

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Not happening 🤔

How disappointing was Spurs there … Ange in trouble .

[Hiber-nation]

Looks like curtains for Ange at the end of the season. They might just get rid of him after they're knocked out of the Europa League which will be 2 weeks tonight if they keep playing like that.

[JimBHibees]

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I don't think VAR even looked at it? Strong tackle but he took the ball cleanly and it was no more than a booking. I'd be disappointed if a Hibs player got sent off in a derby for that.

No chance a leg breaker follow through and knew what he was doing absolute stick on red as the efs now agree

[K-Zazu]

It’s Monty time

[Donegal Hibby]

I think Ange was wrong in it was a poor decision to disallowed their goal but don’t understand why it took as long as it did to make a decision on it .

[JimBHibees]

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I think Ange was wrong in it was a poor decision to disallowed their goal but don’t understand why it took as long as it did to make a decision on it .

Absolutely clear foul no idea what he was talking about. Agree made no sense it took so long the commentators seemed to be suggesting the ref was saying something about a glancing blow which didn’t agree with.Assuming commentators can hear the discussion. Wonder if var hear the commentary as think that could influence decisions if they do. What is clear Spurs are very poor. Can’t remember the last time i seen Son have a good game for them and imo never a captain. Ange nearing the exit door imo

[Trinity Hibee]

Ange surely gone at end of season. He cracks under pressure which we also saw at Celtic briefly. Always quick to blame someone else or VAR. Injuries or not, he hasn’t adapted his squad to play in EPL game which is pretty poor at that level. I keep hearing people say he sticks to his principles but actually he just comes across as stubborn. You need to find different ways to win games.

[Pagan Hibernia]

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Ange surely gone at end of season. He cracks under pressure which we also saw at Celtic briefly. Always quick to blame someone else or VAR. Injuries or not, he hasn’t adapted his squad to play in EPL game which is pretty poor at that level. I keep hearing people say he sticks to his principles but actually he just comes across as stubborn. You need to find different ways to win games.

His post match interviews are amusing and often excruciating to watch. He's the most prickly manager out there when things aren't going well. Must be a nightmare to live with.

[Trinity Hibee]

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His post match interviews are amusing and often excruciating to watch. He's the most prickly manager out there when things aren't going well. Must be a nightmare to live with.

He obviously thinks he’s being funny but as you say it’s just a difficult watch

[overdrive]

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Absolutely clear foul no idea what he was talking about. Agree made no sense it took so long the commentators seemed to be suggesting the ref was saying something about a glancing blow which didn’t agree with.Assuming commentators can hear the discussion. Wonder if var hear the commentary as think that could influence decisions if they do. What is clear Spurs are very poor. Can’t remember the last time i seen Son have a good game for them and imo never a captain. Ange nearing the exit door imo

Yeah, although I didn't think it merited a booking, it was definitely a foul. The TV showed him looking at a replay whilst the VAR check was going on and him being very angry. I couldn't work out why as it was a clear foul.

Commentary definitely do hear VAR. That's the reason we don't have to suffer Andy Walker on Sky up here any more. He repeated something he heard VAR say that was a bit questionable and the SFA went mental at Sky for him going public with it. Good that he's off the airwaves but he was only repeating what the VAR team had said - again a clear sign most of these refs don't like any accountability.

Edit:

https://news.stv.tv/sport/sky-sports...out-var-claims

He heard them say that giving an offside decision would give the refereeing team an "easy way out".

[He's here!]

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Not in today’s game. Even if you win the ball you can’t go through an opponent that high with that level of force.

The guy's family have been receiving death threats for it:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...s/c4gr3ryxdpko

There really are some morons out there.

FWIW I've seen a lot worse tackles than that. He was fully focused on the ball, not his opponent. Similar to a Porto tackle at Ibrox which he was red-carded for when in fact a yellow would have sufficed.

[Paulie Walnuts]

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The guy's family have been receiving death threats for it:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football...s/c4gr3ryxdpko

There really are some morons out there.

FWIW I've seen a lot worse tackles than that. He was fully focused on the ball, not his opponent. Similar to a Porto tackle at Ibrox which he was red-carded for when in fact a yellow would have sufficed.

It’s a shocker of a tackle and a yellow absolutely didn’t suffice imo. Much like the Porteous one at Ibrox which was also a shocker.

[He's here!]

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It’s a shocker of a tackle and a yellow absolutely didn’t suffice imo. Much like the Porteous one at Ibrox which was also a shocker.

Only because of Gerrard's reaction to it. Hibs actually appealed the red card.

Last night the tackle looked worse than it actually was due to the Liverpool player pulling out just as the Everton player committed himself to the challenge. There was no malice.

[Paulie Walnuts]

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Only because of Gerrard's reaction to it. Hibs actually appealed the red card.

Last night the tackle looked worse than it actually was due to the Liverpool player pulling out just as the Everton player committed himself to the challenge. There was no malice.

And it was turned down, because it was a shocker.

It didn’t ’look worse’ because of anything other than Tarkowskis actions. It was a horrific tackle.

[B.H.F.C]

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It’s a shocker of a tackle and a yellow absolutely didn’t suffice imo. Much like the Porteous one at Ibrox which was also a shocker.

The Porteous one at Ibrox was nowhere near as bad as that IMO. The Porteous one against them at ER was more comparable for me.

[Aldo]

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Only because of Gerrard's reaction to it. Hibs actually appealed the red card.

Last night the tackle looked worse than it actually was due to the Liverpool player pulling out just as the Everton player committed himself to the challenge. There was no malice.

The challenge was shocking and Trakowski knew exactly what he was doing. He endangered a player going in a full pelt and high. Mac Allisters foot is planted and going nowhere.

I’m not sure what images or footage you’ve seen but this image says enough for me.

[Broken Gnome]

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Only because of Gerrard's reaction to it. Hibs actually appealed the red card.

Last night the tackle looked worse than it actually was due to the Liverpool player pulling out just as the Everton player committed himself to the challenge. There was no malice.

If Mac Allister's pulled out the tackle, could be said that means Tarkowski's had to go looking even further for that contact which in turn makes it look even worse. Think he's meant to do him - the screen grabs of his face doesn't do him many favours either.

[Broken Gnome]

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Ignoring that I don’t think it was a booking in the first place but given you generally can’t use VAR for yellow card incidents, not even when it’s a second yellow, surely incidents like the one where the Spurs goal was disallowed by VAR shouldn’t result in a yellow card. If he skied the shot, he wouldn’t have been booked.

Plus the ref has about five looks at it to see if it even resembles a foul. Then all of a sudden it's a booking??! Nonsense.

[Paulie Walnuts]

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The Porteous one at Ibrox was nowhere near as bad as that IMO. The Porteous one against them at ER was more comparable for me.

They were both as bad as each other imo although have numerous differentiating factors. Tarkowski made a serious amount of contact for starters, however he also very cleanly won the ball. Porteous barely touches the ball and even when he does it’s in the process of going over the top of it. Porteous also approaches it with much more speed and intensity, two of the factors taken into consideration for serious foul play which are:

Speed
Intensity
Force
Degree of control
Point and extent of contact

I’d suggest Porteous’ was worse in the speed, intensity and degree of control and he’s lucky in terms of force that he didn’t make much contact or else it would have been worse in terms of force as well.

On the point of the Tarkowski challenge, I can’t believe anyone can be of the opinion a yellow was a suitable punishment, short of just wanting to show how against modern football they are.

[Garymcl]

Var did look at it for a few seconds , deemed only a yellow by none other than mr Paul tierney ,Jurgens mate absolutely has a grudge against us total walloper

[He's here!]

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The challenge was shocking and Trakowski knew exactly what he was doing. He endangered a player going in a full pelt and high. Mac Allisters foot is planted and going nowhere.

I’m not sure what images or footage you’ve seen but this image says enough for me.

I've seen the actual footage, not an picture taken after he'd won the ball cleanly (which is what the image you've posted shows and is therefore highly misleading). I get that under today's rules you have to try to not to have your studs showing in a tackle, but it's a tough ask in the heat of a big game and often players will get their timing wrong. The reaction to this has been way OTT. As the guy's wife says "death threats aren't passion, they're pathetic."

[He's here!]

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If Mac Allister's pulled out the tackle, could be said that means Tarkowski's had to go looking even further for that contact which in turn makes it look even worse. Think he's meant to do him - the screen grabs of his face doesn't do him many favours either.

Again, a highly selective take. If you were to freeze the images of most professional footballers going into a tackle, or even just kicking or heading the ball you'll not see them smiling sweetly. Same goes for pretty much any competitive team sport.

The only two incidents I can recall where a facial expression in a picture matches the intent were Neil Simpson's assault on Ian Durrant and Graeme Souness doing likewise to George McCluskey.