Block Seven

[Dmas]

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That's a fair point - the police are there to serve the needs of the wider public, they're not there to just police through the lens of stewarding a football match.

I think the police are far too heavy handed with their treatment of football fans at times, but there have been plenty times when my personal experience of them has been fine.

I don't enjoy not being able to leave the stadium as usual so that they can let away fans leave first but I understand why they do it because I've seen the bother that can happen when segregation isn't there, and in the not too distant past have seen stuff thrown from the home support gathering at the gates at the West stand at away fans. Those actions make it much harder for the police to have confidence that we're all grown up enough to leave the stadium at the same time as a big visiting support.

Every away game I go to, there are young lads taking coke in the toilets, that has consequences, I've seen groups fighting after games this season, that has consequences, I've seen pyro and pitch invasions and objects thrown from the crowd, I've seen Block Seven having physical fights with stewards in the stadium this season- these things have consequences.

The consequences are that football fans continue to get policed like an underclass. That's the price we pay for those behaviours.

It's not rocket science. Some self-awareness wouldn't go amiss and the ability to correlate the actions to the consequences instead of implying that this policing has come out of nowhere would help.

Block Seven have some significant positives, but you can't net off the bad stuff because there's some good stuff - it doesn't work like that.

Very well said

[Centre Hawf]

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That's a fair point - the police are there to serve the needs of the wider public, they're not there to just police through the lens of stewarding a football match.

I think the police are far too heavy handed with their treatment of football fans at times, but there have been plenty times when my personal experience of them has been fine.

I don't enjoy not being able to leave the stadium as usual so that they can let away fans leave first but I understand why they do it because I've seen the bother that can happen when segregation isn't there, and in the not too distant past have seen stuff thrown from the home support gathering at the gates at the West stand at away fans. Those actions make it much harder for the police to have confidence that we're all grown up enough to leave the stadium at the same time as a big visiting support.

Every away game I go to, there are young lads taking coke in the toilets, that has consequences, I've seen groups fighting after games this season, that has consequences, I've seen pyro and pitch invasions and objects thrown from the crowd, I've seen Block Seven having physical fights with stewards in the stadium this season- these things have consequences.

The consequences are that football fans continue to get policed like an underclass. That's the price we pay for those behaviours.

It's not rocket science. Some self-awareness wouldn't go amiss and the ability to correlate the actions to the consequences instead of implying that this policing has come out of nowhere would help.

Block Seven have some significant positives, but you can't net off the bad stuff because there's some good stuff - it doesn't work like that.

Agree with every single word Matty. As always in these scenarios the truth is somewhere in the middle and self reflection wouldn't go a miss across the board to improve it for everyone.

[Ribs1875]

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That's a fair point - the police are there to serve the needs of the wider public, they're not there to just police through the lens of stewarding a football match.

I think the police are far too heavy handed with their treatment of football fans at times, but there have been plenty times when my personal experience of them has been fine.

I don't enjoy not being able to leave the stadium as usual so that they can let away fans leave first but I understand why they do it because I've seen the bother that can happen when segregation isn't there, and in the not too distant past have seen stuff thrown from the home support gathering at the gates at the West stand at away fans. Those actions make it much harder for the police to have confidence that we're all grown up enough to leave the stadium at the same time as a big visiting support.

Every away game I go to, there are young lads taking coke in the toilets, that has consequences, I've seen groups fighting after games this season, that has consequences, I've seen pyro and pitch invasions and objects thrown from the crowd, I've seen Block Seven having physical fights with stewards in the stadium this season- these things have consequences.

The consequences are that football fans continue to get policed like an underclass. That's the price we pay for those behaviours.

It's not rocket science. Some self-awareness wouldn't go amiss and the ability to correlate the actions to the consequences instead of implying that this policing has come out of nowhere would help.

Block Seven have some significant positives, but you can't net off the bad stuff because there's some good stuff - it doesn't work like that.

Well said!

It is group mentality I seen first hand when growing up in Leith as a youngster. Everyone who ran in groups thought they were u touchable and egged each other on. Yet when you seen any of these cretins by themselves they wouldn't say boo to a ghost.

Young people are always going to be more rowdy, me and all my friends were. We outgrew it, matured and essentially passed that torch on. Granted we all have that one friend who got lost and continued to be a waster.

If anyone has watch the adolescence series on Netflix, it definitely makes you question present day attitudes.

[TelaStella]

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Agree 100% however the problem is that these days we live in a society where a growing percentage of the population live a culture of "let's see what we can get away with", whether it's the likes of Block 7 and their antics which are annoying or detrimental to others, players on the park (and not just in football but in most sports), students cheating in exams, folk fiddling their expenses etc etc. and we're so wishy-washy with discipline, right from P1 at school, that there are rarely any meaningful consequences. The result of that is that the "what-can-I-get-away-with" bar gradually gets raised. It's only going to get worse unless there is a major sea change in discipline with meaningful consequences. Many teenagers will be well beyond such behavioural change. Some will grow out of it. Some will have their "eff-you" attitude and behaviour so well engrained that they won't change and will be forever a skit stain on society. Education policies on discipline in schools need to change from P1 onwards for a long-term outcome but I'm not holding my breath.

Bring back the belt!


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[Moulin Yarns]

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Bring back the belt!


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Only the Lochgelly will do!!!

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[Onceinawhile]

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This was B7 (I believe) being kettled by police just outside Donaldson's School before the boxing day derby. I passed them on my walk to the ground. They were in this "position" before I arrived so I am not sure if there was an incident prior to make the police take this action.

(sorry not sure why the photo is sideways) :-(


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That's some length of walk for them if they've come in from Linlithgow.

[PHeffernan]

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That's a fair point - the police are there to serve the needs of the wider public, they're not there to just police through the lens of stewarding a football match.

I think the police are far too heavy handed with their treatment of football fans at times, but there have been plenty times when my personal experience of them has been fine.

I don't enjoy not being able to leave the stadium as usual so that they can let away fans leave first but I understand why they do it because I've seen the bother that can happen when segregation isn't there, and in the not too distant past have seen stuff thrown from the home support gathering at the gates at the West stand at away fans. Those actions make it much harder for the police to have confidence that we're all grown up enough to leave the stadium at the same time as a big visiting support.

Every away game I go to, there are young lads taking coke in the toilets, that has consequences, I've seen groups fighting after games this season, that has consequences, I've seen pyro and pitch invasions and objects thrown from the crowd, I've seen Block Seven having physical fights with stewards in the stadium this season- these things have consequences.

The consequences are that football fans continue to get policed like an underclass. That's the price we pay for those behaviours.

It's not rocket science. Some self-awareness wouldn't go amiss and the ability to correlate the actions to the consequences instead of implying that this policing has come out of nowhere would help.

Block Seven have some significant positives, but you can't net off the bad stuff because there's some good stuff - it doesn't work like that.

Very good post

[superfurryhibby]

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That's a fair point - the police are there to serve the needs of the wider public, they're not there to just police through the lens of stewarding a football match.

I think the police are far too heavy handed with their treatment of football fans at times, but there have been plenty times when my personal experience of them has been fine.

I don't enjoy not being able to leave the stadium as usual so that they can let away fans leave first but I understand why they do it because I've seen the bother that can happen when segregation isn't there, and in the not too distant past have seen stuff thrown from the home support gathering at the gates at the West stand at away fans. Those actions make it much harder for the police to have confidence that we're all grown up enough to leave the stadium at the same time as a big visiting support.

Every away game I go to, there are young lads taking coke in the toilets, that has consequences, I've seen groups fighting after games this season, that has consequences, I've seen pyro and pitch invasions and objects thrown from the crowd, I've seen Block Seven having physical fights with stewards in the stadium this season- these things have consequences.

The consequences are that football fans continue to get policed like an underclass. That's the price we pay for those behaviours.

It's not rocket science. Some self-awareness wouldn't go amiss and the ability to correlate the actions to the consequences instead of implying that this policing has come out of nowhere would help.

Block Seven have some significant positives, but you can't net off the bad stuff because there's some good stuff - it doesn't work like that.

No sane person can argue with this. Good post Matty.

[PHeffernan]

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I see they’ve released a police harassment statement.

Block 7 response to Police harassment

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXiZHXkG-ac

[LunasBoots]

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Definitely not a new thing. And I did have kids with problems. Back then ADHD autism etc never seemed that prevelant or discussed.

Yup, back then i was put down as just behavioural problems and stuck in the behaviour unit at school, wasnt until later i found out i was autistic which explained why i never fitted in. Bit more undersrabding these days in schools but its still not the best.

[Since90+2]

The Police are worried that after the violence between the Green Brigade and Union Bears plus Block 7 and St Mirren/Aberdeen plus I'm sure others that these groups start turning more sinister as they get older.

Eventually someone will be seriously hurt or worse when these groups meet and it will lead to the clubs having to take a much firmer stance IMO.

[Chuck Rhoades]

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The Police are worried that after the violence between the Green Brigade and Union Bears plus Block 7 and St Mirren/Aberdeen plus I'm sure others that these groups start turning more sinister as they get older.

Eventually someone will be seriously hurt or worse when these groups meet and it will lead to the clubs having to take a much firmer stance IMO.

GB and UB average age is probably very late 20s/early 30s. GB in particular have folk well in their 40s, they started 2008. Not sure how much older you need to be…

[DH1875]

Green Brigade already been given a warning for messing with the wrong people in Glasgow. Police will be least of their worries.Big difference from what I can see is that most of the GB are adults not daft kids. Some of the guys I know are in very respectable jobs.

[JimBHibees]

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That's a fair point - the police are there to serve the needs of the wider public, they're not there to just police through the lens of stewarding a football match.

I think the police are far too heavy handed with their treatment of football fans at times, but there have been plenty times when my personal experience of them has been fine.

I don't enjoy not being able to leave the stadium as usual so that they can let away fans leave first but I understand why they do it because I've seen the bother that can happen when segregation isn't there, and in the not too distant past have seen stuff thrown from the home support gathering at the gates at the West stand at away fans. Those actions make it much harder for the police to have confidence that we're all grown up enough to leave the stadium at the same time as a big visiting support.

Every away game I go to, there are young lads taking coke in the toilets, that has consequences, I've seen groups fighting after games this season, that has consequences, I've seen pyro and pitch invasions and objects thrown from the crowd, I've seen Block Seven having physical fights with stewards in the stadium this season- these things have consequences.

The consequences are that football fans continue to get policed like an underclass. That's the price we pay for those behaviours.

It's not rocket science. Some self-awareness wouldn't go amiss and the ability to correlate the actions to the consequences instead of implying that this policing has come out of nowhere would help.

Block Seven have some significant positives, but you can't net off the bad stuff because there's some good stuff - it doesn't work like that.

Spot on. Don't be a **** and you won't be treated like one.

[Since90+2]

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GB and UB average age is probably very late 20s/early 30s. GB in particular have folk well in their 40s, they started 2008. Not sure how much older you need to be…

Not sure about that, but anyway the other "ultras" Hibs, Aberdeen, Hearts are all mostly young laddies.

[Paul1642]

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Spot on. Don't be a **** and you won't be treated like one.

Could close the thread at this. It really is that simple.

GB and UB ran about Glasgow city centre causing chaos at the previous old firm game then the GB in particular act the victims when police legally take preventative measures at the next old firm game. Likewise, block 7s treatment from police is the consequence of their own actions at previous fixtures.

We’re obviously all football fans on this thread so view these things through that perspective, but you need to take into account that the majority of the population do not attend football games and view a group of laddies / young men running riot through their city centre in balaclavas as pretty unacceptable.

[Paul1642]

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Not sure about that, but anyway the other "ultras" Hibs, Aberdeen, Hearts are all mostly young laddies.

The Edinburgh City lot are barely out of nappies 😂

[J-C]

At least when we had the casuals they dressed better than this lot.

[Northernhibee]

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The Police are worried that after the violence between the Green Brigade and Union Bears plus Block 7 and St Mirren/Aberdeen plus I'm sure others that these groups start turning more sinister as they get older.

Eventually someone will be seriously hurt or worse when these groups meet and it will lead to the clubs having to take a much firmer stance IMO.

I’ve said it before but these ultras groups are almost perfect conditions to radicalise one or more youngsters in terms of their behaviour. Give them anonymity behind masks, a shared identity, common goal, common enemy, and with quite a high likelihood of intoxicants like cocaine.

Derren Brown did an excellent show (I think it was called Remote Control) all about this, but with an audience who were given masks and asked to vote on what happened to someone they’d never met on a night out before.

[oneone73]

Doing the bucket collection for the Historical Trust today. Well done lads

[Bostonhibby]

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Doing the bucket collection for the Historical Trust today. Well done lads

A real positive.

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[theonlywayisup]

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If anyone has watch the adolescence series on Netflix, it definitely makes you question present day attitudes.

The second episode set almost entirely in the school was worrying, if that's how adolescents really behave at school.

[bod]

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Doing the bucket collection for the Historical Trust today. Well done lads

Why not just do it without publicising the fact they are.nobody else has

[Paul1642]

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Why not just do it without publicising the fact they are.nobody else has

Not a fan of block 7 but no issues with this one.

[oneone73]

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Why not just do it without publicising the fact they are.nobody else has

Oh for god's sake can you not give them any credit?

[Since90+2]

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Why not just do it without publicising the fact they are.nobody else has

Surely the more publicity a charity collection gets the better?

[PHeffernan]

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Doing the bucket collection for the Historical Trust today. Well done lads

Well done to those giving their time.

[flash]

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Why not just do it without publicising the fact they are.nobody else has

If you are collecting money surely you would want to publicise it as much as possible?

[SHODAN]

They have brought a whistle today.

[sleeping giant]

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They have brought a whistle today.

It's been great without the drum.