Scottish Independence

[Hibs4185]

Sort a lot of points to respond too.

As above, there needs to be someone who can pull all the supporters together and establish a strategy as above. SNP vote 1 and A N Other vote 2.

As I said above, I don’t think Alba can be the second party. There is too much animosity between the two. I wish there wasn’t but judging by the strong sentiment I’ve seen online, I don’t think there could be an electoral pact between the two.

I also don’t think everyone is united behind the SNP. They dropped a lot of support with the transgender thing. I personally will always vote SNP although I don’t agree with all their policies.

A lot of poeole think that if they vote for independence they’ll be stuck with the SNP forever. Part of the SNP’s messaging needs to be that they are only a vessel in which to gain independence. After independence you can vote for any party which aligns with your values, whether that be a new Scottish Labour, Tories etc.

I’d go as far to say that in an independent Scotland, the SNP should be disbanded as they’ve achieved their mission statement and a new party formed.

I actually wondered whether Moira Salmomd
Might be the best person to knock a few heads together and unite all independence supporters around one strategy. I thought Alex Salmond might do that but it looks like it’s hardened some peoples views instead.

[Smartie]

Mhairi Black made some interesting points on the interview she did with Rory Stewart and Alastair Campbell on The Rest is Politics.

I've voted SNP every time I have voted but there is something about "nationalism" that makes me uncomfortable. I don't view myself an anything bordering on being a nationalist. I'd just like there to be a tweaking of where political decisions are made in relation to my life between Edinburgh, London and Europe. Nationalism is ghastly and part of my favouring of independence is an outright rejection of British nationalism and all that goes with it.

For a while I've thought the SNP need to rebrand because the whole concept of "Scottish Nationalism" is toxic to the people they are looking to win over in order to deliver Scottish independence.

But maybe what is actually needed is another pro independence party, one that doesn't immediately come with the reputation as being a home for the headbangers who don't fit within the SNP ie Alba?

It'll remove stuff like the potential clout that the SNP can have at Westminster but surely wanting that is the opposite to what independence parties should be wanting anyway?

[GlesgaeHibby]

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There is unity in the independence camp. The SNP dominate. The greens have come round to support Indy and that’s fine. Outside of that there is very little. Alba are tiny and only going to get smaller without Salmond.
The Indy movement is unified behind the SNP.
We only get Indy when we persuade the majority of Scots we need it. We are close but we are not there yet.


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That just isn't true. Support for SNP is hovering around 30-35% mark just now, and support for independence is hovering around the 50% mark. There a plenty within the independence movement absolutely scunnered with the SNP, myself included. They need to get a move on and seize the initiative here, using the very real threat of Prime Minister Farage in 2029 to drive support.

[Andy Bee]

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That just isn't true. Support for SNP is hovering around 30-35% mark just now, and support for independence is hovering around the 50% mark. There a plenty within the independence movement absolutely scunnered with the SNP, myself included. They need to get a move on and seize the initiative here, using the very real threat of Prime Minister Farage in 2029 to drive support.

I'm not so sure they need to do anything really apart from Govern the country responsibly, they'll come out and advocate SNP1 and SNP2 which thinking about it is all they can really do. I'm not even sure if it would be legal for them to advocate for another party on the list. It's up to the other parties and individuals to coordinate a plan for who is standing where in the list and then getting the message out. If Reform stand in the constituency vote country wide then there's a huge possibility SNP could nearly or even gain a majority from the constituency vote alone. Those 1m - 1.5m SNP voters voting for Indy candidate 2 on the list will see Reform wiped out in Scotland.

[Hibs4185]

I think salvo have a party?

[Jack]

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We have a form of PR in the Scottish Parliament that broadly works. Another party just so we can game the system just doesn’t sit right with me. We need to build support for independence, not game the system so we can gain power in Holyrood.
The unionists have lots of parties and all it does is split their vote. If anything, only having the SNP has been a strength.
If another party grows organically then fair enough but creating another the same is pointless.


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It's not just the voting that's affected by there being only one independence party.

When the TV media are presenting on independence the odds are heavily stacked in the unionists favour 1 for, 3 against. It happens on the news, it happens for every channel, it happens on panel type political shows and Question Time, obviously!

SNP vote for independence it's fabby.

Labour - don't vote independence it's crap.

Tory - don't vote independence it's crap.

Libdems - don't vote independence it's crap.

Even an uninterested viewer couldn't help but think the unionists win every debate.

[Ozyhibby]

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It's not just the voting that's affected by there being only one independence party.

When the TV media are presenting on independence the odds are heavily stacked in the unionists favour 1 for, 3 against. It happens on the news, it happens for every channel, it happens on panel type political shows and Question Time, obviously!

SNP vote for independence it's fabby.

Labour - don't vote independence it's crap.

Tory - don't vote independence it's crap.

Libdems - don't vote independence it's crap.

Even an uninterested viewer couldn't help but think the unionists win every debate.

I don’t disagree on that point and reform will join the debate soon as well. Problem is, there is no other viable independence party out there apart from the greens?
Alba can’t get past 1.5% of the vote with Salmond, who know how bad it will be now. They won’t improve until they stop attacking the SNP.


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[Jack]

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I don’t disagree on that point and reform will join the debate soon as well. Problem is, there is no other viable independence party out there apart from the greens?
Alba can’t get past 1.5% of the vote with Salmond, who know how bad it will be now. They won’t improve until they stop attacking the SNP.


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I have a feeling the greens are going to all but disappear after their shenanigans while tasting power.

I have no doubt their independence stance was wholly to attract that second vote on the back of the SNP and I doubt they'll get that again.

Any thoughts they might get back into power on the back of a unionist vote and they'd be all over it.

[Andy Bee]

Another Holyrood sources podcast with non other than Anthony Scaramucci, certainly worth a watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga9Nw95QC9Q

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Alba showing their true colours ...?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9qj3gzxzp2o

[Hibs4185]

Got an email from Salvo last night saying they’ve started the ball rolling with challenging Scotland’s status as a colony. I tried to doit and paste it but it turned into a right mess!

They’ve got some NGO from Switzerland on board and seem to have a good argument.

Not sure it will go anywhere as they need some counties to agree to it being presented at the UN but interesting none the less

[Hibs4185]

https://x.com/TheScotCongress/status...27732504777059

[Andy Bee]

The UKG looking to circumvent the Geographical Indication legislation used to protect the name Single Malt which determines in Scotland that a whisky has been produced in one geographical area, using that areas resources and distillery. They're basically trying to change the rules so as to be able to call English whisky which has been produced with ingredients sourced from throughout the UK, using different distilleries and then giving it Single Malt status. You've got to wonder where they get the water from?

https://www.scotsman.com/news/scotti...scotch-5000691

[Hibs4185]

https://x.com/SSalyers2/status/1900120322499543281

All independence supporters please sign up to this.

It may bear no fruit but the arguments are strong and a NGO in Switzerland has strongly backed it.

I also believe the evidence supports it.

[Andy Bee]

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https://x.com/SSalyers2/status/1900120322499543281

All independence supporters please sign up to this.

It may bear no fruit but the arguments are strong and a NGO in Switzerland has strongly backed it.

I also believe the evidence supports it.

A video out today explaining some of the process and plans in place. Panel is Sara Salyers of Salvo, Prof Alf Baird of Salvo and John Brown of the Independent Forum Scotland all representing Liberation.scot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dv__OlB6Do

[Hibs4185]

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A video out today explaining some of the process and plans in place. Panel is Sara Salyers of Salvo, Prof Alf Baird of Salvo and John Brown of the Independent Forum Scotland all representing Liberation.scot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dv__OlB6Do

Watched about half of it. Alf Baird is pretty impressive.

I agree with everything they are doing and how they are doing it. The arguements look robust and certainly supported by the NGO.

Can’t help but feel something is going to scupper it. Hopefully not

[jamie_1875]

YouGov Polling

Scots say health and economy should be the top priorities for the Scottish government

Health: 55% say should be a top priority
Economy: 54%
Education: 31%
Housing: 25%
Social care: 20%
Crime: 17%
Environment: 15%
Welfare: 14%
Independence: 14%

While the 'No' side still leads when it comes to Scottish independence, support for 'Yes' has reached its highest level since the general election last year

No: 54% (-2 from 6-11 March)
Yes: 46% (+2)

[Moulin Yarns]

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articl...-2025-snapshot

Detailed analysis of James's headline figures.

[JimBHibees]

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YouGov Polling

Scots say health and economy should be the top priorities for the Scottish government

Health: 55% say should be a top priority
Economy: 54%
Education: 31%
Housing: 25%
Social care: 20%
Crime: 17%
Environment: 15%
Welfare: 14%
Independence: 14%

While the 'No' side still leads when it comes to Scottish independence, support for 'Yes' has reached its highest level since the general election last year

No: 54% (-2 from 6-11 March)
Yes: 46% (+2)

Incredible how manipulated such a vast number of people can be

[Hibs4185]

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Incredible how manipulated such a vast number of people can be

I have to concur. I see a few independence supporters online that get huge abuse from unionists and you have to wonder why they live in Scotland given their rhetoric. Scotland’s a **** hole, Westminster funds us blah blah blah.

Unbelievably brain washed.

An English person piped up the other day saying they were sick of funding Scotland, someone rightfully replied saying have an English independence vote and **** off

[JimBHibees]

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I have to concur. I see a few independence supporters online that get huge abuse from unionists and you have to wonder why they live in Scotland given their rhetoric. Scotland’s a **** hole, Westminster funds us blah blah blah.

Unbelievably brain washed.

An English person piped up the other day saying they were sick of funding Scotland, someone rightfully replied saying have an English independence vote and **** off

Classic divide and conquer Scotland has been a pretty fertile ground for this over the years

[Jack]

The Scottish Government has plans to annex the Polish shipyard where the new ferries are to be built so they can claim they are being built in Scotland.

Apparently there are also tax advantages.

[CropleyWasGod]

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The Scottish Government has plans to annex the Polish shipyard where the new ferries are to be built so they can claim they are being built in Scotland.

Apparently there are also tax advantages.

Gdansk for that.

[Moulin Yarns]

Big majority of yes msps projected for Holyrood next year in latest poll.

[Hibs4185]

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Big majority of yes msps projected for Holyrood next year in latest poll.

I’m normally an optimist but I’m nervous whether it can be maintained. Fingers crossed though

[StevieC]

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Big majority of yes msps projected for Holyrood next year in latest poll.

Will that not depend on how they tactically utilise the list vote?

[Hibs4185]

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Will that not depend on how they tactically utilise the list vote?

I’d imagine so and it’s a crying shame regarding the amount of vitriol online between Alba and SNP voters.

How the people in charge can’t come together and sort out a tactical vote is infuriating.

[Bristolhibby]

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YouGov Polling

Scots say health and economy should be the top priorities for the Scottish government

Health: 55% say should be a top priority
Economy: 54%
Education: 31%
Housing: 25%
Social care: 20%
Crime: 17%
Environment: 15%
Welfare: 14%
Independence: 14%

While the 'No' side still leads when it comes to Scottish independence, support for 'Yes' has reached its highest level since the general election last year

No: 54% (-2 from 6-11 March)
Yes: 46% (+2)

I’m always curious about the flip floppers.

For me once you go yes, there’s no turning back.

What makes you think independence is good one year but not the next.

I guess it’s people who are on the fence.

J

[Bristolhibby]

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I’d imagine so and it’s a crying shame regarding the amount of vitriol online between Alba and SNP voters.

How the people in charge can’t come together and sort out a tactical vote is infuriating.

Just thinking here. Could a new party called SNP List vote 2 not set itself up.

Totally independent from the SNP. Own governance, own membership and run?

J

[Stairway 2 7]

With it not going to be a landslide I think it might look like SNP 1 2 will be the best policy