(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

[CropleyWasGod]

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Great news.

An executive order has been signed to rename the Gulf of Mexico the Gulf of America and to change Denali back to Mount McKinley.

'Getting so much done in the first 12 hours' says Musk. The obvious benefits of these two moves to your average rust belt American are obvious. Prosperity and streets paved with gold are surely only a few days away. It's good to see a President tackling the big issues of the day.

Hunners of song lyrics being re-written as we speak

https://www.lyrics.com/lyrics/gulf%20of%20mexico

[Hibrandenburg]

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Day one looks like most of the 4 years previously. Lots of flashing of signature, very little effect on anyone in America.
Some immigration changes but until he funds the enforcement part it won’t change much. Every thing else was just nonsense.
For the average American, life hasn’t changed one bit.
Until he works out how to get things through Congress I guess Americans will just need to get used to these performative signature sessions again.


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Part of the fascist playbook is to blame democracy for holding them back. It won't be long until he's going after Congress and his supporters will lap it up.

[Ozyhibby]

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Part of the fascist playbook is to blame democracy for holding them back. It won't be long until he's going after Congress and his supporters will lap it up.

He’ll need to be quick. The public has the chance to choose its congress in less than two years.


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[lapsedhibee]

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Part of the fascist playbook is to blame democracy for holding them back. It won't be long until he's going after Congress and his supporters will lap it up.

Not sure if congresspeeps are officially part of the swamp that needs drained, but if they're not it only takes a couple of lie-filled speeches to make them so.

[Lendo]

What do we need to rename this thread? (Hopefully soon to be) Current President Former President Donald Trump?

[Kato]

Complete lack of any sign of altruism on any of their faces.

https://youtu.be/gVInX42IQD8?si=g-xPXFqggnKjSo27

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[Andy Bee]

Erm, when did Spain do this?

https://x.com/Glenn_Diesen/status/1881742318702927902

[Keith_M]

The thread title should be changed, as it could accidentally be getting people's hopes up.


That aside, is the war in Ukraine finished yet?

[weecounty hibby]

I watched the news tonight absolutely stunned at what's going in. Surely the americans who hold the constitution so dearly won't let him away with just changing one of the amendments by his pen stroke. I know you shouldn't compare with Hitler and the Nazis but it was what was going through my mind the whole time. God saved him so he could make America great again. Ffs!! It is genuinely unsettling. Talking about annexing Greenland, Panama etc.

[Ozyhibby]

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I watched the news tonight absolutely stunned at what's going in. Surely the americans who hold the constitution so dearly won't let him away with just changing one of the amendments by his pen stroke. I know you shouldn't compare with Hitler and the Nazis but it was what was going through my mind the whole time. God saved him so he could make America great again. Ffs!! It is genuinely unsettling. Talking about annexing Greenland, Panama etc.

There will be no changes to the constitution in the next 4 years. It takes a 2/3 majority in both senate and Congress. Neither party is getting that.
Most of the daft announcements yesterday will never happen.


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[CropleyWasGod]

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Complete lack of any sign of altruism on any of their faces.

https://youtu.be/gVInX42IQD8?si=g-xPXFqggnKjSo27

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Brilliant. Thanks for sharing.

The bishop showing the real nature of Christianity.

She has just been put on a list.

[lapsedhibee]

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There will be no changes to the constitution in the next 4 years. It takes a 2/3 majority in both senate and Congress. Neither party is getting that.
Most of the daft announcements yesterday will never happen.

An alternative view:

President Donald Trump views himself as a "wartime president," according to a new article in The Bulwark, but his enemy isn't a rogue state — it's the American people themselves.

In an article published Tuesday, Bulwark Editor Jonathan V. Last wrote, "I don’t think there’s any way to read yesterday except as President Trump deciding that with the Republican party fully subservient to him, he can subjugate the other remaining power centers in American life. He can finally be a wartime president. It’s just that he’s going to war against America."

Last wrote that Trump's war with America is unprecedented, "Or at least: We haven’t had a president view Americans this way since Reconstruction."

Trump made it clear during the inauguration that he's "governing not for all Americans—and not even just for the benefit of 'his' voters—but as an attack on the half of America that opposed him," Last wrote.

According to the article, Trump "believes that Democratic voters should not be bargained with or bribed, but intimidated, punished, subdued—and rendered unable to oppose him in his quest for total power."

And Trump is going to use all the power at his presidential fingertips to ensure everyone falls in line. This includes using the courts, government bureaucracy, and mob rule to get what he wants. Last wrote that Trump released the J6 rioters, even the violent ones, for a purpose: "The message is unambiguous: Trump wants supporters who engage in street violence on the loose. He wants a paramilitary arm for which he has plausible deniability."

Last continued, "Freeing those convicted of violence is a go-ahead signal for future violent acts and an implicit promise that Trump will take care of those who fight on his behalf."

The target of Trump's power campaign is anyone who lives in a blue state, Last wrote. "Trump understands that blue states are the last bastions of meaningful popular opposition to his rule, so he will use the federal government to subdue them. That’s what deportations—and tariffs—are for. These are executive powers which can be used in highly-targeted ways to hurt on local economies."

So, "If you live in a blue state, President Trump is going to use the power of the federal government to make your life harder."

[Ozyhibby]

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An alternative view:

President Donald Trump views himself as a "wartime president," according to a new article in The Bulwark, but his enemy isn't a rogue state — it's the American people themselves.

In an article published Tuesday, Bulwark Editor Jonathan V. Last wrote, "I don’t think there’s any way to read yesterday except as President Trump deciding that with the Republican party fully subservient to him, he can subjugate the other remaining power centers in American life. He can finally be a wartime president. It’s just that he’s going to war against America."

Last wrote that Trump's war with America is unprecedented, "Or at least: We haven’t had a president view Americans this way since Reconstruction."

Trump made it clear during the inauguration that he's "governing not for all Americans—and not even just for the benefit of 'his' voters—but as an attack on the half of America that opposed him," Last wrote.

According to the article, Trump "believes that Democratic voters should not be bargained with or bribed, but intimidated, punished, subdued—and rendered unable to oppose him in his quest for total power."

And Trump is going to use all the power at his presidential fingertips to ensure everyone falls in line. This includes using the courts, government bureaucracy, and mob rule to get what he wants. Last wrote that Trump released the J6 rioters, even the violent ones, for a purpose: "The message is unambiguous: Trump wants supporters who engage in street violence on the loose. He wants a paramilitary arm for which he has plausible deniability."

Last continued, "Freeing those convicted of violence is a go-ahead signal for future violent acts and an implicit promise that Trump will take care of those who fight on his behalf."

The target of Trump's power campaign is anyone who lives in a blue state, Last wrote. "Trump understands that blue states are the last bastions of meaningful popular opposition to his rule, so he will use the federal government to subdue them. That’s what deportations—and tariffs—are for. These are executive powers which can be used in highly-targeted ways to hurt on local economies."

So, "If you live in a blue state, President Trump is going to use the power of the federal government to make your life harder."

I just don’t see how that happens? Nor does that paragraph? That might be how Trump feels but I don’t see how he does it?
He can issue an executive order to deport 11m people but he then has to go to congress and get the $billions needed to enforce it?


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[Bostonhibby]

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Day one looks like most of the 4 years previously. Lots of flashing of signature, very little effect on anyone in America.
Some immigration changes but until he funds the enforcement part it won’t change much. Every thing else was just nonsense.
For the average American, life hasn’t changed one bit.
Until he works out how to get things through Congress I guess Americans will just need to get used to these performative signature sessions again.


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He likes a good signature pic, and as PB alludes to above it might be that whilst the rust bucket boys got theirs day 1 it will be some time before the grift dawns on them.

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[Jim44]

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Complete lack of any sign of altruism on any of their faces.

https://youtu.be/gVInX42IQD8?si=g-xPXFqggnKjSo27

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Adolf Hitler, Eva Braun, Joseph Goebells and Magda Goebells with but one thought …. ‘Shut up, bitch!’

[Kato]

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The bishop showing the real nature of Christianity.

She could have went fire and brimstone (torture by burning in an eternal fire) but kept it on a "look within yourself" tip.

Sadly if this lot looked within themselves they'd see nothing other than a chasm filled with greed and vanity.

You have to think the VP sees an image of an awaiting gallows every day.

Hope the Bish lives long and her message ("be excellent to each other"*) sinks deep.

*sermon on the mount, innit.

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[DaveF]

This terrible excuse for a human being just gets worse.

All mentions of Jan 6 investigation removed from FBI website. Pardons almost all of those involved, essentially giving the thumbs up to assaulting officers.

Puts government employees involved in diversity and equality programmes on paid leave and cancels all these with immediate effect.

The US is a disgrace.

[lapsedhibee]

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I just don’t see how that happens? Nor does that paragraph? That might be how Trump feels but I don’t see how he does it?
He can issue an executive order to deport 11m people but he then has to go to congress and get the $billions needed to enforce it?

Once he has a proper paramilitary up and running, if that's his plan, I'm not sure that getting congresspeeps to bend to his will will be too much of a problem. Perhaps he freed all those thugs because he felt a deep seated sense of injustice on their behalf, or perhaps he saw something in the transaction for himself, the scamp. Time will tell.

[Bostonhibby]

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Once he has a proper paramilitary up and running, if that's his plan, I'm not sure that getting congresspeeps to bend to his will will be too much of a problem. Perhaps he freed all those thugs because he felt a deep seated sense of injustice on their behalf, or perhaps he saw something in the transaction for himself, the scamp. Time will tell.

Brown shirts?

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[lapsedhibee]

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Brown shirts?

Brown underpants for the rest of us, if Trump's aim is to overturn democracy in the USA, as that would have worldwide repercussions. There's already some essentials in place: a supreme court made in his image which has declared that it's not possible for him to break the law; Musk for propaganda machine; he's surrounded by people too frightened to tell him in real time that Spain and South Africa are different places; the normalisation of lying; etc etc. The idea that the US's precious constitution would prevent him achieving anti-democratic aims seems a bit like Chamberlain waving his bit of paper to demonstrate that there was no threat to peace in Europe in the 1930s.

[Pretty Boy]

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Brown shirts?

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It kind of feels a bit like the heroin/HIV epidemic of the 80s.

2 or 3 decades before there had been scare stories and propaganda about cannabis and warnings that just one joint could send you on a downward spiral of drug abuse, delirium and death. Then came LSD and the same warnings but this time with added 'you'll think you can fly and jump off a building'. Around the same time as heroin really took off ecstasy came along and that was the same, just one pill would kill you and it was the most dangerous drug ever. All nonsense of course but many were so desensitised to the warnings that when a genuinely dangerous drug like heroin took off many didn't heed them. When it became clear in this instance it was gravely dangerous it was too late.

Trump feels similar. People have heard 'fascist' or 'Nazi' thrown about for years. Sometimes justified, other times hyperbole. But now we have people who may be worthy of the name. Modi, Trump, Musk, Farage........ and I think many are a bit disbelieving because they have 'heard it all before'. It's a dangerous place to be in and the opposition to Trump and his ilk really needs to be better. If the best that can be offered as an alternative is another Biden, Harris, Starmer or similar then the rise of the right is going to continue like a juggernaut.

[Bristolhibby]

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Brown shirts?

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More like black Fred Perry polos with yellow piping.

J

[Bostonhibby]

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More like black Fred Perry polos with yellow piping.

J

Aye, it's not what the uniform looks like, it's what's in it.

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[Bostonhibby]

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It kind of feels a bit like the heroin/HIV epidemic of the 80s.

2 or 3 decades before there had been scare stories and propaganda about cannabis and warnings that just one joint could send you on a downward spiral of drug abuse, delirium and death. Then came LSD and the same warnings but this time with added 'you'll think you can fly and jump off a building'. Around the same time as heroin really took off ecstasy came along and that was the same, just one pill would kill you and it was the most dangerous drug ever. All nonsense of course but many were so desensitised to the warnings that when a genuinely dangerous drug like heroin took off many didn't heed them. When it became clear in this instance it was gravely dangerous it was too late.

Trump feels similar. People have heard 'fascist' or 'Nazi' thrown about for years. Sometimes justified, other times hyperbole. But now we have people who may be worthy of the name. Modi, Trump, Musk, Farage........ and I think many are a bit disbelieving because they have 'heard it all before'. It's a dangerous place to be in and the opposition to Trump and his ilk really needs to be better. If the best that can be offered as an alternative is another Biden, Harris, Starmer or similar then the rise of the right is going to continue like a juggernaut.

I wish I could disagree with you.

Might be time for the EU to be more than a bureaucracy and trading functionary? Never been a better time for a collective front somewhere, lucky the UK has taken back control though.

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[cabbageandribs1875]

the guy Americans/everywhere else should have had as a president https://www.facebook.com/senatorsand...7845509882106/ i just can't understand why the guy in the street can't grasp that multi-billionaires in charge is never going to be good for us

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[Pretty Boy]

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Aye but he's said there is only 2 genders and you can't put a price on that.

Hopefully some of those who voted for him and will now struggle to afford essential medicines can take some comfort in that fact.

[Hibrandenburg]

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the guy Americans/everywhere else should have had as a president https://www.facebook.com/senatorsand...7845509882106/ i just can't understand why the guy in the street can't grasp that multi-billionaires in charge is never going to be good for us

Yeh but he offers no hate, elections world wide are showing us that people need someone to hate other than their useless ****ing selves.

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Aye but he's said there is only 2 genders and you can't put a price on that.

Hopefully some of those who voted for him and will now struggle to afford essential medicines can take some comfort in that fact.

How can a country be truly great when people can afford prescriptions? It can't. Go Donald!

[Stevie Reid]

The pardoning of all of the J6 rioters is really pretty staggering, and has immediately made America a much more dangerous place for many people.

Which of course is the point of that **** doing it, but that country’s descent into the depths is well underway.

I’m curious to know with whom the power of pardon lies with in the UK. The precedent of no or limited punishment for crimes committed in the name of a political candidate is unbelievably dangerous, and it’s terrifying to think where we may end up in the next few years.