(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

[Stairway 2 7]

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Unless I'm mixing you up with someone else, in which case apologies, you previously scoffed at the idea of Farage becoming Prime Minister.

Obama and Clinton scoffed at the idea of Trump becoming President. An irrational mob is now in the ascendancy in the US. Scoffing won't stop it.

Stop The bus what has Farage got to do with fact Johnson or Trump becoming leader has got zero similarities to the US invading the UK.

Fwiw I also still think there is zero chance of Reform winning the general election, they do too poor in cities and also take votes from the tories. A strong Reform gives Labour a better chance of winning than a strong tories

[Smartie]

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Farage isn't PM but he was referred to on BBC the other night as a potential PM, unthinkable only 12 months ago. Musk looks like the best bet to prevent that possibility now. The BBC's continuing support for Farage is unwavering.

I'm not as confident as you that Trump's second term will pass off uneventfully. Let's hope you're right.

I’d be very surprised if Trump’s time in charge is uneventful.

I’m not sure it will be apocalyptic though.

[Ozyhibby]

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I’d be very surprised if Trump’s time in charge is uneventful.

I’m not sure it will be apocalyptic though.

I’m sure it will be chaos every single day and very bad for Americans. Just not sure how bad they can make it for the rest of the world? I’m thinking a global recession with their mad tariffs etc. but I’m less worried about them invading a friendly nation.


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I’m not sure it will be apocalyptic though.

Let's hope you're right.

[Bostonhibby]

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What's NATO's policy on one member nation annexing another......? Asking for a friend.

Fat orange guy selectively dislikes Nato when convenient, but on this one he might have to defer to what the rubber faced guy who pulls his strings thinks.

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[lapsedhibee]

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I’m sure it will be chaos every single day and very bad for Americans. Just not sure how bad they can make it for the rest of the world? I’m thinking a global recession with their mad tariffs etc. but I’m less worried about them invading a friendly nation.

Trump's more or less promised to help Putin take Ukraine, hasn't he?

[Bostonhibby]

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No wonder, they give him a seat on any show he wants, he's got more appearances on Question Time than Lewis Stevenson has for Hibs.

I half expected to see him on Homes under the Hammer as the face you see when they lift the lid on a blocked toilet, then spouting off about broken crockery on Bargain Hunt before gliding effortlessly into Martin Edwards old seat as head of propaganda/Newsreader on BBC News, such is the free pass he seems to enjoy at the national broadcaster.

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[Ozyhibby]

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Trump's more or less promised to help Putin take Ukraine, hasn't he?

No


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[Smartie]

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I’m sure it will be chaos every single day and very bad for Americans. Just not sure how bad they can make it for the rest of the world? I’m thinking a global recession with their mad tariffs etc. but I’m less worried about them invading a friendly nation.


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I expect him to destroy their economy with an unwinnable trade war - which will have global ramifications.

I expect some heavy handed and careless foreign policy decisions. These might go for us, might go against us.

I don’t expect any invasions of friendly nations and I expect a reduction in overseas adventurism, not an increase.

I also expect him to bang up against dead end after dead end in his attempts to dismantle what he calls the “deep state” as the deep state is actually incredibly strong and resilient.

He’s also going to fall out with numerous “friends”.


They’ll be desperate to get rid of him by the end of his administration and I think we’ve almost got to let the nut jobs ruin things for a certain period of time around the world so we can rediscover a desire for adults to come back into the frame and fix things.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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I expect him to destroy their economy with an unwinnable trade war - which will have global ramifications.

I expect some heavy handed and careless foreign policy decisions. These might go for us, might go against us.

I don’t expect any invasions of friendly nations and I expect a reduction in overseas adventurism, not an increase.

I also expect him to bang up against dead end after dead end in his attempts to dismantle what he calls the “deep state” as the deep state is actually incredibly strong and resilient.

He’s also going to fall out with numerous “friends”.


They’ll be desperate to get rid of him by the end of his administration and I think we’ve almost got to let the nut jobs ruin things for a certain period of time around the world so we can rediscover a desire for adults to come back into the frame and fix things.

Yet he did all sorts of mad things already in his first administration, and people weren't desperate to get rid of him. Biden squeaked home and Trump got back in with an increased vote share. Why do you think Americans will behave more rationally from now on?

[lapsedhibee]

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No

Sorry, I thought he still wanted to withdraw US support for Ukraine.

[grunt]

Today's press conference:

Q: Can you assure the world that as you try to get control of areas like Greenland or Panama you are not gonna use military or economic coercion?

TRUMP: No. I can't assure you. I'm not going to commit to that. It might be that you'll have to do something.

Q: You didn't rule out using military coercion --

TRUMP: Well, we need Greenland for national security purposes. People don't even know if Denmark has any legal right to it. But if they do, they should give it up.

[grunt]

Also:

Trump: "We're going to be changing the name of the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America."

(He's serious.)

Trump: "We're gonna try and have a policy where no windmills are being built."

Trump: "The windmills are driving the whales crazy. Obviously."

And:

Trump says he plans to use "economic force" to make Canada a state

[Smartie]

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Yet he did all sorts of mad things already in his first administration, and people weren't desperate to get rid of him. Biden squeaked home and Trump got back in with an increased vote share. Why do you think Americans will behave more rationally from now on?

I think there's a decent chance the Dems will get their act together.

The Dems were a mess going into the last election and it was still pretty close.

The nature of their bizarre repeat two horse race seems to be that it is always pretty close and I don't see that changing.


Trump managed to create a false narrative about all sorts of stuff this most recent time - mainly I think he managed to pin the fact that folk feel a bit poorer on the Dems (in spite of the fact that relatively speaking, their economy is actually doing fine). He's got to improve that, or come up with a reason why it hasn't improved.

They did kick him out before, when their country was descending into a chaotic mess following covid and George Floyd. They'll become a chaotic mess again and anyone MAGA minded is going to have a job on their hands winning the next election as a result. If he follows through on his promises Americans are going to feel a lot poorer in 4 years time and he's going to find it hard to wriggle out of that.

[Smartie]

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Sorry, I thought he still wanted to withdraw US support for Ukraine.

He's keeping his cards close to his chest for now although a while ago he appeared to be more pro-Russia and anti-Ukraine.

Ultimately he doesn't like being associated with failure so he's going to fall on the side of who appears to be winning, to get it over with asap and deliver on his promises of ending the war. There's quite a lot of "battlefield shaping" going on right now as both sides jostle for position to give the impression they are gaining the upper hand.

He could go either way imo.

[Ozyhibby]

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He's keeping his cards close to his chest for now although a while ago he appeared to be more pro-Russia and anti-Ukraine.

Ultimately he doesn't like being associated with failure so he's going to fall on the side of who appears to be winning, to get it over with asap and deliver on his promises of ending the war. There's quite a lot of "battlefield shaping" going on right now as both sides jostle for position to give the impression they are gaining the upper hand.

He could go either way imo.

And he is not the only game in town. The Europeans can still find the Ukrainians. In fact they will have to or else Russia will be at their door step. The Poles are very unlikely to want to share a border (Kaliningrad excepted) with a victorious Russia. So Trump can stop aid to Ukraine but it’s unlikely he has the numbers in Congress to lift sanctions etc but he is not the decider on what happens.
If he does withdraw and Ukraine hold on long enough without the US then it weakens the US and strengthens Europe.


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[Ozyhibby]

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Today's press conference:

Q: Can you assure the world that as you try to get control of areas like Greenland or Panama you are not gonna use military or economic coercion?

TRUMP: No. I can't assure you. I'm not going to commit to that. It might be that you'll have to do something.

Q: You didn't rule out using military coercion --

TRUMP: Well, we need Greenland for national security purposes. People don't even know if Denmark has any legal right to it. But if they do, they should give it up.

Threatened to tariff Denmark at high level. Denmark is in the EU so that involves tariffing the whole EU. That would be a mistake.
First thing the EU will do is tariff Tesla just for fun but other retaliations would follow. Especially on investment. A lot of EU pension funds invest in the US and it’s long been a desire for that to be invested in the EU instead. Starmer has the same desire for UK pension funds. Would really hit the US hard.


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[lapsedhibee]

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And he is not the only game in town. The Europeans can still find the Ukrainians. In fact they will have to or else Russia will be at their door step. The Poles are very unlikely to want to share a border (Kaliningrad excepted) with a victorious Russia. So Trump can stop aid to Ukraine but it’s unlikely he has the numbers in Congress to lift sanctions etc but he is not the decider on what happens.
If he does withdraw and Ukraine hold on long enough without the US then it weakens the US and strengthens Europe.

If the US withdraws from its traditional role of global policeman, the rest of the world catches a cold. Think that's how the saying goes. A lot of people, not just Putin, will be emboldened, with unknown consequences.

[Ozyhibby]

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If the US withdraws from its traditional role of global policeman, the rest of the world catches a cold. Think that's how the saying goes. A lot of people, not just Putin, will be emboldened, with unknown consequences.

Absolutely. Obama’s withdrawal from the role in 2008 is what emboldened Putin in the first place.
If the US pulls back, everyone else will need to step up.


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i honestly don't know if the Felon is serious or just being the clown that he is

[Ozyhibby]

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i honestly don't know if the Felon is serious or just being the clown that he is

He did well to hide the real crazy during the election campaign.


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[Stairway 2 7]

Remember before his first time in office he said he'd build a wall all across the Mexican border and make Mexico pay. Instead he managed 500 miles only, it was a fence, it was in places mostly that already had fencing and the US paid $21 billion to build it.

He said he'd deport all 11 million undocumented migrants, he deported 250k

Said he'd leave NATO, ended up talking up his commitment

Said he'd bring back torture and waterboarding Pompeo after the election said no chance would it get approved

Said he'd prosecute Hillary Clinton, his tone changed once in office.


I'm surprised anyone listens to his ramblings

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I dont think I can take four years of this crap

[DaveF]

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I dont think I can take four years of this crap

How sad that this is deemed normal in today's US.

[Ozyhibby]

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How sad that this is deemed normal in today's US.

Domestic issue. Americans deserve this.


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[Viva_Palmeiras]

Between the muppetry of Trump winding up reasonable minded folks to keep everyone second guessing (just watch what he does not what he says), Elon and Zuckerberg running about unchecked where truth is the ultimate target and victim…

I think I’m better off tuning out and keeping good relationships within family, friends, people in what some refer to as “sphere of influence”

one utterance out these guys mouths can trigger much angst and expending of energy. Such a waste in some regards. Esp when Trump is lying / joking / diverting.

what happens when parents don’t use the word “no” enough :)

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Between the muppetry of Trump winding up reasonable minded folks to keep everyone second guessing (just watch what he does not what he says), Elon and Zuckerberg running about unchecked where truth is the ultimate target and victim…

I think I’m better off tuning out and keeping good relationships within family, friends, people in what some refer to as “sphere of influence”

one utterance out these guys mouths can trigger much angst and expending of energy. Such a waste in some regards. Esp when Trump is lying / joking / diverting.

what happens when parents don’t use the word “no” enough :)

Good attitude.


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[Keith_M]

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... The poles are very unlikely to want to share a border (Königsberg excepted) with a victorious russia...

ftfy

[Ozyhibby]

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ftfy

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