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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg View Post
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    Sometimes you can only see what a nation is like when you're looking from the outside in.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q50p_lr0HPk
    Youtubers bit small sample. In this poll Germany and US were both similar for how many agreed that their nation is superior to all other nations 49% and 47% agreed, UK well behind with 32% agreeing, ten years old but I'd bet it is lower now. Over 1k polled in each nation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7 View Post
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    Youtubers bit small sample. In this poll Germany and US were both similar for how many agreed that their nation is superior to all other nations 49% and 47% agreed, UK well behind with 32% agreeing, ten years old but I'd bet it is lower now. Over 1k polled in each nation
    Probably the same half of Americans who (still) think the US is superior to all other countries just voted on the basis that their country has been completely ruined by radical leftist Joe Biden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smartie View Post
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    “Trump is starting to ensure his dictatorship. Three Generals are on a list to be arrested for treason.
    Flynn has been given authority to fire senior Generals if they don't swear an oath to Trump. Several will refuse.
    Some have already taken evasive action.
    Generals swear an oath to uphold the constitution .... not to the President.”

    Read this earlier. He appears to be trying to make his mark early.

    I can’t see him living long tbh…
    He's learnt his lesson from his first period in office, he has to act quickly before people (his supporters in particular) wake up and smell the coffee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7 View Post
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    Youtubers bit small sample. In this poll Germany and US were both similar for how many agreed that their nation is superior to all other nations 49% and 47% agreed, UK well behind with 32% agreeing, ten years old but I'd bet it is lower now. Over 1k polled in each nation

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/219377/share-of-respondents-who-think-their-country-is-superior-to-others/
    Actions speak louder than words or at least answering questions in an anonymous survey. Policy is driven by the electorate, which is a much more accurate pulse test of national opinion and at present that is isolationism in the US and to some extent the UK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg View Post
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    Actions speak louder than words or at least answering questions in an anonymous survey. Policy is driven by the electorate, which is a much more accurate pulse test of national opinion and at present that is isolationism in the US and to some extent the UK.
    People agree with surveys that say what they agree with and vice versa. You say they voted Trump because they as a nation feel superior, then why did they vote Biden previously or did Obama walk it. In every poll the younger generation are less patriotic and the populous is more diverse, Trump did tremendous with Hispanic voters

    UK went left, Germany will go right, Scotland went against the SNP. It was nothing to do with identity politics it was due to the economy and being an incumbent.

    As has been said before it's no coincidence that for the first time ever, every democracatic nation in the world that had an election this year the incumbent heavily lost votes

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stairway 2 7 View Post
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    People agree with surveys that say what they agree with and vice versa. You say they voted Trump because they as a nation feel superior, then why did they vote Biden previously or did Obama walk it. In every poll the younger generation are less patriotic and the populous is more diverse, Trump did tremendous with Hispanic voters

    UK went left, Germany will go right, Scotland went against the SNP. It was nothing to do with identity politics it was due to the economy and being an incumbent.

    As has been said before it's no coincidence that for the first time ever, every democracatic nation in the world that had an election this year the incumbent heavily lost votes
    I didn't say that they voted Trump because they as a nation feel superior, that's you're false interpretation of what I said and one of the reasons I normally stop discussing any particular subject with you, that and the fact you make up facts that are simply untrue, not every incumbent lost in democratic elections in 2024, that's simply not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibrandenburg View Post
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    I didn't say that they voted Trump because they as a nation feel superior, that's you're false interpretation of what I said and one of the reasons I normally stop discussing any particular subject with you, that and the fact you make up facts that are simply untrue, not every incumbent lost in democratic elections in 2024, that's simply not true.
    You read what I wrote wrong that why it's hard discussing anything with you. If you read it again it says heavily lost votes.
    https://www.ft.com/content/e8ac09ea-c300-4249-af7d-109003afb893
    "Every governing party facing election in a developed country this year lost vote share, the first time this has ever happened"

    You said due to the US past it's brainwashing kids ect it's no wonder they voted Trump, doesn't really explain why they voted Biden over him or they voted Obama to huge wins. I think it's shoehorning in a reason the nation voted Trump but it falls apart when they didn't. The past has been a constant for America who they voted for has fluctuated

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    History is good for learning from the past but shouldn’t be for judging people in the present.


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    Thought Doug Stanhope was funny when saying similar

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    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/mus...ks-2024-11-15/

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    Exclusive: Woman told House Ethics panel she witnessed Gaetz having sex with minor, lawyer says - ABC News


    An attorney representing two women who were witnesses in the House Ethics Committee's investigation into now-former Rep. Matt Gaetz is calling for the release of the committee's report, telling ABC News that one of his clients testified that she witnessed the Florida congressman having sex with a minor.
    "My client testified to the House Ethics Committee that she witnessed Matt Gaetz having sex with a minor," Florida attorney Joel Leppard told ABC News.


    Speaker Mike Johnson says he will 'strongly request' that Ethics Committee withhold its Matt Gaetz report

    WASHINGTON — House Speaker Mike Johnson, R-La., said Friday that he would "strongly request" that the House Ethics Committee not release a report detailing its investigation into former Rep. Matt Gaetz, R-Fla.
    The Ethics panel had been investigating Gaetz — who resigned this week after President-elect Donald Trump chose him to serve as attorney generaloff and on since 2021. He has denied any wrongdoing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozyhibby View Post
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    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/mus...ks-2024-11-15/

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    I mean, it must be hard when there’s no recent history of how the man will act and specifically whether he’d be pro Israel or not…

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    Quote Originally Posted by McD View Post
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    I mean, it must be hard when there’s no recent history of how the man will act and specifically whether he’d be pro Israel or not…
    Indeed wow.

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    I saw some clips pre-election when (I think) Sky News went into various pro-Trump Muslim communities, who were backing him on the basis that “he’ll end the wars”.

    It made me wince a bit, knowing that whilst he may eventually contribute towards bringing an end to certain wars, it’s unlikely to lead to an outcome those people would be happy with.

    There’s no doubting the comprehensive nature of Trump’s victory but you can’t help but feel there’s going to need to be an awful lot of manipulation and delusion if he’s to avoid letting an awful lot of people down.

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    There was a good documentary last year on the BBC talking about the links between evangelical groups and Israeli groups. Trump was heavily involved in both. Both groups openly want a one state solution and use the bible to justify it.

    Baffling that people thought he would anger his closest allies and want Israeli restraint

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smartie View Post
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    There’s no doubting the comprehensive nature of Trump’s victory but you can’t help but feel there’s going to need to be an awful lot of manipulation and delusion if he’s to avoid letting an awful lot of people down.
    Less than 2% of a difference in the popular vote, so about twice as close as the Brexit referendum. Only appears comprehensive because of the bizarre electoral system. Trump didn't so much 'sweep to victory' as 'squeak to victory'. Let's hope that the half of the country he's already letting down gets another chance to rid themselves of him in four years.

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    While meeting Biden in the White House, Trump has promised the 'Smoothest Transition ever'.


    Why does that guy continually go for hyperboles, no matter what he's discussing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by McD View Post
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    I mean, it must be hard when there’s no recent history of how the man will act and specifically whether he’d be pro Israel or not…
    Whodathunkit.

    As many Americans are about to find out, they got who they voted for, but maybe not what they thought they'd voted for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith_M View Post
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    While meeting Biden in the White House, Trump has promised the 'Smoothest Transition ever'.


    Why does that guy continually go for hyperboles, no matter what he's discussing?
    He knew that very short slogans would resonate with a helluva lot of people?

    Think about Bozo's billions for the NHS on the side of a bus, getting brexit "done"...etc.

    Delivery doesn't actually matter once the election or referendum is won....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith_M View Post
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    While meeting Biden in the White House, Trump has promised the 'Smoothest Transition ever'.


    Why does that guy continually go for hyperboles, no matter what he's discussing?
    People swallow it up.

    Shirt, simple messages that his thick as **** supporters can lap up.

    He did Trump steaks a few years ago and the advert was him talking the exact same way about mail order meat. Now he leads the free world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jones28 View Post
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    People swallow it up.

    Shirt, simple messages that his thick as **** supporters can lap up.

    He did Trump steaks a few years ago and the advert was him talking the exact same way about mail order meat. Now he leads the free world.
    All parties across the world use short and sharp messages, doesn't make you thick if you read it and understand it. The average reading age in Scotland for adults is that of a 9-11 year old so keeping things simple is unfortunately the way that works. Whether you are trying to get across a political point, inform people about something or sell something.

    The Scottish Government own guidelines suggest writing for 9-11 year olds to make it easier for people to understand.

    Short and simple messages work so you would be foolish not to use them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie_1875 View Post
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    All parties across the world use short and sharp messages, doesn't make you thick if you read it and understand it. The average reading age in Scotland for adults is that of a 9-11 year old so keeping things simple is unfortunately the way that works. Whether you are trying to get across a political point, inform people about something or sell something.

    The Scottish Government own guidelines suggest writing for 9-11 year olds to make it easier for people to understand.

    Short and simple messages work so you would be foolish not to use them.
    I had to google this as it really surprised me.

    https://servicemanual.gov.scot/creat...%20understand.

    Quite an interesting publication from ScotGov.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie_1875 View Post
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    All parties across the world use short and sharp messages, doesn't make you thick if you read it and understand it. The average reading age in Scotland for adults is that of a 9-11 year old so keeping things simple is unfortunately the way that works. Whether you are trying to get across a political point, inform people about something or sell something.

    The Scottish Government own guidelines suggest writing for 9-11 year olds to make it easier for people to understand.

    Short and simple messages work so you would be foolish not to use them.

    Fair enough, but it's the hyperbole Trump uses that I was referring to.

    Everything he does is 'The Greatest/Bestest/Biggliest.... ever'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith_M View Post
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    Fair enough, but it's the hyperbole Trump uses that I was referring to.

    Everything he does is 'The Greatest/Bestest/Biggliest.... ever'
    Maybe his mum supported the Gorgie mob .

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamie_1875 View Post
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    All parties across the world use short and sharp messages, doesn't make you thick if you read it and understand it. The average reading age in Scotland for adults is that of a 9-11 year old so keeping things simple is unfortunately the way that works. Whether you are trying to get across a political point, inform people about something or sell something.

    The Scottish Government own guidelines suggest writing for 9-11 year olds to make it easier for people to understand.

    Short and simple messages work so you would be foolish not to use them.
    There’s a massive difference between short, sharp phrases and what Trump uses.
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    Linda McMahon education secretary.

    Most powerful nation on earth and they can’t find a single person who knows how to sell a stunner to run it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Northernhibee View Post
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    Linda McMahon education secretary.

    Most powerful nation on earth and they can’t find a single person who knows how to sell a stunner to run it.
    Effectively put there to be the last education secretary and wind up the Education Department in an effort to end "wokeness" in schools

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    Quote Originally Posted by overdrive View Post
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    Effectively put there to be the last education secretary and wind up the Education Department in an effort to end "wokeness" in schools
    All their domestic stuff I’m just going to ignore. They want to go full taliban on education then I’m not going to worry about it. It’s like when they have a school shooting. They don’t care about their kids so why should I?


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