(Soon to be) Former President Donald Trump

[Hibrandenburg]

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It does if they are invested in the market via their 401K. There is around $7 trillion invested via 401Ks, they all got richer today assuming the markets stay higher.

All great for those invested, but the market can go both ways, how the market reacts day one after an election is hardly a trend and certainly no guarantee of brighter prospects if Trump implements isolationism.

[Moulin Yarns]

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All great for those invested, but the market can go both ways, how the market reacts day one after an election is hardly a trend and certainly no guarantee of brighter prospects if Trump implements isolationism.

I'm not an expert so know nothing about this, only that ftsi is down today.

[wookie70]

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Is this not just grasping at straws, Trump is not who I hoped would be elected, but it was a fair democratic choice by the citizens of America.

It was but democracy relies on truth and a decent media in many regards. Lies are now completely ignored and form entire campaigns. So like Brexit I'm not sure if we will ever see what I would view as a democratic election again. Democracy should be about one idea against others with the most popular platform of policies and ideas forming a commitment to the people who vote for them. We are miles away from that both here and in the USA where it is essentially a who can sling the most mud contest and who has control of social media to make it stick. We will continue to get worst humans winning elections as that and cash are simply the qualities required to win. Not sure that can last too long as Capitalism will eventually eat itself or Nature will become the most dominant force and democracy will be the least of our worries

[JimBHibees]

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It was but democracy relies on truth and a decent media in many regards. Lies are now completely ignored and form entire campaigns. So like Brexit I'm not sure if we will ever see what I would view as a democratic election again. Democracy should be about one idea against others with the most popular platform of policies and ideas forming a commitment to the people who vote for them. We are miles away from that both here and in the USA where it is essentially a who can sling the most mud contest and who has control of social media to make it stick. We will continue to get worst humans winning elections as that and cash are simply the qualities required to win. Not sure that can last too long as Capitalism will eventually eat itself or Nature will become the most dominant force and democracy will be the least of our worries

Totally agree

[Paul1642]

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I'd be interested to know how large a part sexism and racism played in this.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was a significant factor.

Could that cut both ways? Harris took 92% of votes by black woman. Were all 92% voting for her policies? Doubt it.

[Berwickhibby]

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Eh, nobody is disputing the results and organisation of the election, simply questioning the motivation of some of the electorate. Do you think racism and sexism are fair democratic choices?

It appears you are insinuating that Harris lost the election due to racism and sexism, from the few yanks I know who voted for Trump it was on his economic and immigrant policies. I would also like to point out Trump is a person of colour…unfortunately it’s orange

[Stairway 2 7]

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20% of black men, and 8% black women. He won white people and latinos, but I'm not sure I'd be calling his performance amongst black people phenomenal.

Obviously i mean relatively. Phenomenal for a Rep and someonewho hasn't had a chance with the black vote. He had 13% of Black voters nationally and 45% of Latino voters. In 2020 he got 8% of Black voters and 32% of Latinos. That's a massive shift in 4 years. Black votes are seen as solid for Dems so it was surprising to see he gained so much and against a black opponent. The massive Hispanic vote seems crazy but generally they are very conservative as a group

[Jim44]

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Obviously i mean relatively. Phenomenal for a Rep and someonewho hasn't had a chance with the black vote. He had 13% of Black voters nationally and 45% of Latino voters. In 2020 he got 8% of Black voters and 32% of Latinos. That's a massive shift in 4 years. Black votes are seen as solid for Dems so it was surprising to see he gained so much and against a black opponent. The massive Hispanic vote seems crazy but generally they are very conservative as a group

I’m not disputing these figures but how do they calculate the % numbers of different demographics voting for particular candidates?

[Stairway 2 7]

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I’m not disputing these figures but how do they calculate the % numbers of different demographics voting for particular candidates?

No idea actually. I wonder if it's from polls but the paper's are quoting them as fact not a poll estimate

[Ozyhibby]

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No idea actually. I wonder if it's from polls but the paper's are quoting them as fact not a poll estimate

I guess it will be a mixture of exit polls and looking at the demographics of certain areas etc.


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[Bristolhibby]

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Hard to see bright sides this morning, but I think he is due to be sentenced for one of his convictions now that the election is over. Judge delayed it purely on basis it might interfere with the electoral process. Not sure how that gets scrapped.

Slap on the wrists and no custodial sentence as he’s old and a first time offender.

J

[Bostonhibby]

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Slap on the wrists and no custodial sentence as he’s old and a first time offender.

J

Should be okay if he tries the insanity defence.

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[Bristolhibby]

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It was but democracy relies on truth and a decent media in many regards. Lies are now completely ignored and form entire campaigns. So like Brexit I'm not sure if we will ever see what I would view as a democratic election again. Democracy should be about one idea against others with the most popular platform of policies and ideas forming a commitment to the people who vote for them. We are miles away from that both here and in the USA where it is essentially a who can sling the most mud contest and who has control of social media to make it stick. We will continue to get worst humans winning elections as that and cash are simply the qualities required to win. Not sure that can last too long as Capitalism will eventually eat itself or Nature will become the most dominant force and democracy will be the least of our worries

Also who can communicate and resonate with the electorate more effectively.

We are in a post truth world. Will likely be decided by who has more TikTok followers in future campaigns. Next cycle in the U.K. my 16 and 13 year old sons will be able to vote. They consume media in a totally different way to me.

Long form messaging is dead. Get your word out and make it snappy.

J

[Bristolhibby]

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Obviously i mean relatively. Phenomenal for a Rep and someonewho hasn't had a chance with the black vote. He had 13% of Black voters nationally and 45% of Latino voters. In 2020 he got 8% of Black voters and 32% of Latinos. That's a massive shift in 4 years. Black votes are seen as solid for Dems so it was surprising to see he gained so much and against a black opponent. The massive Hispanic vote seems crazy but generally they are very conservative as a group

I don’t think we can ever look at blocs again. People are less loyal to party and easily sold quick fixes.

Eventually those fixes won’t materialise and then we are in real trouble.

That and the impending climate disaster (of which Trump doesn’t believe in).

Make money while the sun shines, fock your grandkids.

J

[Colr]

Are the Democrats the Hibs of American politics?

[Jim44]

We can’t dispute Tango man’s victory and the grip he has over the majority of crazy Americans. But, despite the fact that, for the next four years at least, he will never be prosecuted for his many other crimes, and will pardon himself for the ones he has been found guilty of, he is and always will be an unrepentant, convicted criminal. For what it’s worth, I would like to think the rest of the world leaders would treat him as a dispicable pariah and let him know it. But they won’t and it’s clear already that they are going to lick his arse for the foreseeable future.

[Bristolhibby]

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We can’t dispute Tango man’s victory and the grip he has over the majority of crazy Americans. But, despite the fact that, for the next four years at least, he will never be prosecuted for his many other crimes, and will pardon himself for the ones he has been found guilty of, he is and always will be an unrepentant, convicted criminal. For what it’s worth, I would like to think the rest of the world leaders would treat him as a dispicable pariah and let him know it. But they won’t and it’s clear already that they are going to lick his arse for the foreseeable future.

They have to lick arse. He’s the leader of the West and is a vindictive MF who holds a grudge.

For the benefit of their countries, they have to.

See Kier Starmer.

Expect Trump to be invited over, full state visit, meet the King and speak to Parliament. (Like Obama did).

J

[Hibrandenburg]

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It appears you are insinuating that Harris lost the election due to racism and sexism, from the few yanks I know who voted for Trump it was on his economic and immigrant policies. I would also like to point out Trump is a person of colour…unfortunately it’s orange

I'm nothing of the kind, I'm saying sexism and racism will have been the reason why some voted against Harris. You'd be mad to believe otherwise. I guess recognising misogyny and racism might not be a strong point amongst London's finest.

[Stairway 2 7]

Sort of related with the rise of populism but I think people are nieve if they think Reform don't keep growing in Scotland, Reform and Tories now make up 29% in Scotland


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New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Norstat 30 Oct - 1 Nov (changes vs 20-22 Aug):

SNP ~ 30% (+1)
Lab ~ 23% (-9)
Con ~ 15% (+3)
RUK ~ 14% (+2)
LD ~ 10% (+2)
Grn ~ 6% (+1)
Alba ~ 1% (-1)

[lapsedhibee]

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Albeit that's not exactly what she said. Hate to go off thread but the actual quote was "we're not genetically programmed in Scotland to make political decisions" and what she meant by that is Scots aren't programmed but rather have free will when presented with political choice.

See what you mean, but that interpretation seems a bit of a stretch! I've only seen a fairly short extract of what she said though.

[McD]

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Also who can communicate and resonate with the electorate more effectively.

We are in a post truth world. Will likely be decided by who has more TikTok followers in future campaigns. Next cycle in the U.K. my 16 and 13 year old sons will be able to vote. They consume media in a totally different way to me.

Long form messaging is dead. Get your word out and make it snappy.

J

I agree

I don’t mean this to sound (too) harsh, but there are a proportion of the population who either don’t want to or are unable to look in the detail of campaigns and manifestos, and get hung up on the short slogans (get brexit done, make America great again, etc), and get swallowed up by the ever increasingly biased media, which parrots untruths to suit the candidate/party they’re supporting, so you get things like the Labour Party getting pilloried for accepting gifts whilst heehaw was said when the tories were in power and doing far worse. The same happens in the states, utter nonsense gets spouted by media and public figures, and people just accept it as truth, even when logic would quickly lead you to see it’s not factual.


There’s also the desire to associate one’s self with people who are perceived as winners - trump tells the world repeatedly that he’s had the biggest bestest superest amazingest rallies/bills passed/golf courses/hotels/government etc, and even though it’s demonstrably untrue, folk accept it because he talks with conviction (with forked tongue!) about how successful he is. He stands in front of the press and in courts and just says whatever suits his agenda at that moment, and he’s never challenged. So it’s taken as gospel by the people who will end up voting for him.

[AgentDaleCooper]

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Sort of related with the rise of populism but I think people are nieve if they think Reform don't keep growing in Scotland, Reform and Tories now make up 29% in Scotland


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New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Norstat 30 Oct - 1 Nov (changes vs 20-22 Aug):

SNP ~ 30% (+1)
Lab ~ 23% (-9)
Con ~ 15% (+3)
RUK ~ 14% (+2)
LD ~ 10% (+2)
Grn ~ 6% (+1)
Alba ~ 1% (-1)

Can definitely see them having seats at our next scottish election. Hopefully some indy dentiment wards some people away from them but i doubt it when people are so disaffected.

[lapsedhibee]

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Also who can communicate and resonate with the electorate more effectively.

We are in a post truth world. Will likely be decided by who has more TikTok followers in future campaigns. Next cycle in the U.K. my 16 and 13 year old sons will be able to vote. They consume media in a totally different way to me.

Long form messaging is dead. Get your word out and make it snappy.

J

Another wee glimmer of hope. UK politics 2016-2024 has been completely dominated by three word slogans, but Trump wins by a four word slogan. Long form messaging is on the way back!

[Mon Dieu4]

One promise I hope he keeps is to release all the JFK files, he shat it last time

[Pretty Boy]

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Sort of related with the rise of populism but I think people are nieve if they think Reform don't keep growing in Scotland, Reform and Tories now make up 29% in Scotland


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21h
New Scotland Only Westminster poll, Norstat 30 Oct - 1 Nov (changes vs 20-22 Aug):

SNP ~ 30% (+1)
Lab ~ 23% (-9)
Con ~ 15% (+3)
RUK ~ 14% (+2)
LD ~ 10% (+2)
Grn ~ 6% (+1)
Alba ~ 1% (-1)

I think people are often blinded by what they want to happen or to be the case. That and the ability presented by new media to surround oneself only with commentators and analysts who affirm rather than challenge a world view.

There is a sizable support for right wing populism in Scotland, same as there is in much of the west. Anyone denying it is either not looking hard enough or denying what they see.

[Bristolhibby]

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I think people are often blinded by what they want to happen or to be the case. That and the ability presented by new media to surround oneself only with commentators and analysts who affirm rather than challenge a world view.

There is a sizable support for right wing populism in Scotland, same as there is in much of the west. Anyone denying it is either not looking hard enough or denying what they see.

What I don’t get is where are the right wing Scottish Nationalists? Surely that’s the next step for some of them?

Why in Scotland does the right wing effectively mean unionist?

If the desire is to tear things down and disrupt the ruling class, surely the most disruptive thing to do is to break up the U.K.?

And just to play the what if further, would the current Yes movement be happy to get into bed with an Ethnonationalist right wing Scottish independence party. (I may have just made up this party).

J

[Pretty Boy]

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What I don’t get is where are the right wing Scottish Nationalists? Surely that’s the next step for some of them?

Why in Scotland does the right wing effectively mean unionist?

If the desire is to tear things down and disrupt the ruling class, surely the most disruptive thing to do is to break up the U.K.?

And just to play the what if further, would the current Yes movement be happy to get into bed with an Ethnonationalist right wing Scottish independence party. (I may have just made up this party).

J

I know plenty independence supporters I would class as right wing, particularly in their social views. Whether there is enough country wide to make any significant mark electorally is another debate.

I think it's worthy of mention that a lot of dissent against the SNP and indeed slow haemorrhage of support from their own voter base started as they embraced some social policy that may have been seen as influenced by the Greens and thus a bit more radical than many wanted/anticipated.

[Keith_M]

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I'm not an expert so know nothing about this, only that ftsi is down today.

As is the DAX in Germany.

I think there's a widely spread worry about what happens next.

[Stairway 2 7]

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What I don’t get is where are the right wing Scottish Nationalists? Surely that’s the next step for some of them?

Why in Scotland does the right wing effectively mean unionist?

If the desire is to tear things down and disrupt the ruling class, surely the most disruptive thing to do is to break up the U.K.?

And just to play the what if further, would the current Yes movement be happy to get into bed with an Ethnonationalist right wing Scottish independence party. (I may have just made up this party).

J

I don't think it does just mean unionist. Reform will gain votes from all demographics. Immigration will become an issue in Scotland with our huge net migration figures now, lack of housing, slow rise in household disposable income it's all fertile ground for the right.

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One promise I hope he keeps is to release all the JFK files, he shat it last time

In amongst all the horrible stuff, that's the only thing I think he's said that I find interesting and quite exciting rather than ominous.