Housing

[Moulin Yarns]

https://www.mygov.scot/planning-perm...s%204%20months.


Once you've applied for planning permission, the planning authority will decide whether to grant planning permission.

How long will it take?

In most cases, planning applications are decided within 2 months.

For unusually large or complex applications the time limit is 4 months. For these types of applications, Planning Authorities should offer to enter into a*processing agreement*with developers which provides certainty and a project managed approach to decision making.

[superfurryhibby]

Living Rent campaign for the SNP to reaffirm their commitment to fair rent has broad support from the countries biggest trade unions.

https://www.livingrent.org/living_re..._rent_controls

"Dear First Minister John Swinney, Cabinet Secretary Shirley Ann Sommerville and Minister Paul McLennan,

We, the undersigned, are writing to you to emphasise the urgent necessity of introducing effective rent controls in Scotland.

Forty years on, we are still reeling from Thatcher’s privatisation of council homes and the ending of rent controls. Eight local authorities have declared local housing emergencies, with rising homelessness, spiralling rents, overall disrepair of our housing stock and increasing numbers of people without a stable tenure, or in overcrowded homes. The Scottish Government has declared a national housing emergency , as a result of the systemic pressures facing Scotland’s tenants.

Homelessness is rising month on month with local authorities failing to meet their statutory duties to people seeking homeless assistance. One of the driving factors of homelessness is the inability to meet rent. This is leading to evictions across the country and local authorities buckling financially under the strain.

Rents have doubled in the last ten years for most private tenants while wages have stagnated. This has dramatic impacts on the most vulnerable, with nearly ten thousand children in temporary accommodation as of September 2023. We know that rent increases disproportionately affect women, young people, people of colour, single parents, disabled people and migrants. We also know that unaffordable rents are a major driver of poverty. Housing costs are the largest financial outgoing in most households, and while low pay is the main cause of escalating poverty rates, our market-driven housing system is the main driver of both poverty and wealth. Scotland’s lowest paid workers are forced to pay a significant proportion of their incomes on rent, with those on the minimum wage paying 50% or more of their take home pay, often on poor quality, badly insulated housing.

More and more of our members are struggling to make ends meet - this must end and you have the power to act. If your government is serious about ending the housing emergency and child poverty, robust and meaningful rent controls must be part of the solution. International evidence shows that well designed rent controls have the potential to decrease inequality, to support private tenants’ security of tenure, and to improve the quality of housing stock overall.

Right now, the Scottish Government has a chance to show what a progressive response to the housing crisis could and should look like. It can demonstrate how effective rent controls and greater protections for tenants can create a fairer Scotland for everyone.

We ask you to show the leadership that Scotland needs and deliver the innovative, bold, and effective policies already outlined in the housing bill as published. We look forward to your response,

Kind regards,

Aditi Jehangir, Chair, Living Rent

Roz Foyer, General Secretary, Scottish Trades Union Congress,

Lilian Macer, Regional Secretary UNISON Scotland,

Derek Thomson, Unite Scottish Secretary,

Gordon Martin, RMT Scotland Regional Organiser,

Louise Gilmour, Secretary, GMB Scotland,

Mick Whelan, ASLEF General Secretary,

Jeanette Findlay, President UCU Scotland,

John Jamieson on behalf of PCS Scottish Sector Committee

Sai Viswanathan, President NUS Scotland

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Not quite though is it

The house price premium associated with planning permission properties across these 20 major UK cities ranges from 1% to 52% but on average, homebuyers can expect it to increase property price expectations by 21% or £46,000.

However, the ability for a quicker build doesn’t have the same effect in every city. In both Plymouth and Nottingham, pre-granted planning permission only brings a 1% premium when looking to sell, while in Swansea it’s just 2%"

However you look at it. The planning process in itself isn't costing 100,000k per house. It may add significant value to land, but that isn't just due to the cost of planning is it? There obviously commercial factors at work.




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I read elsewhere that London and Edinburgh show the biggest increase to a house with planning, seems obvious as the two most expensive cities. That's separate from the conversation about land with and without planning. It's pretty obvious the difference is huge, seeing the examples given already. It's a weird hill to die on.

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Living Rent campaign for the SNP to reaffirm their commitment to fair rent has broad support from the countries biggest trade unions.

https://www.livingrent.org/living_re..._rent_controls

"Dear First Minister John Swinney, Cabinet Secretary Shirley Ann Sommerville and Minister Paul McLennan,

We, the undersigned, are writing to you to emphasise the urgent necessity of introducing effective rent controls in Scotland.

Forty years on, we are still reeling from Thatcher’s privatisation of council homes and the ending of rent controls. Eight local authorities have declared local housing emergencies, with rising homelessness, spiralling rents, overall disrepair of our housing stock and increasing numbers of people without a stable tenure, or in overcrowded homes. The Scottish Government has declared a national housing emergency , as a result of the systemic pressures facing Scotland’s tenants.

Homelessness is rising month on month with local authorities failing to meet their statutory duties to people seeking homeless assistance. One of the driving factors of homelessness is the inability to meet rent. This is leading to evictions across the country and local authorities buckling financially under the strain.

Rents have doubled in the last ten years for most private tenants while wages have stagnated. This has dramatic impacts on the most vulnerable, with nearly ten thousand children in temporary accommodation as of September 2023. We know that rent increases disproportionately affect women, young people, people of colour, single parents, disabled people and migrants. We also know that unaffordable rents are a major driver of poverty. Housing costs are the largest financial outgoing in most households, and while low pay is the main cause of escalating poverty rates, our market-driven housing system is the main driver of both poverty and wealth. Scotland’s lowest paid workers are forced to pay a significant proportion of their incomes on rent, with those on the minimum wage paying 50% or more of their take home pay, often on poor quality, badly insulated housing.

More and more of our members are struggling to make ends meet - this must end and you have the power to act. If your government is serious about ending the housing emergency and child poverty, robust and meaningful rent controls must be part of the solution. International evidence shows that well designed rent controls have the potential to decrease inequality, to support private tenants’ security of tenure, and to improve the quality of housing stock overall.

Right now, the Scottish Government has a chance to show what a progressive response to the housing crisis could and should look like. It can demonstrate how effective rent controls and greater protections for tenants can create a fairer Scotland for everyone.

We ask you to show the leadership that Scotland needs and deliver the innovative, bold, and effective policies already outlined in the housing bill as published. We look forward to your response,

Kind regards,

Aditi Jehangir, Chair, Living Rent

Roz Foyer, General Secretary, Scottish Trades Union Congress,

Lilian Macer, Regional Secretary UNISON Scotland,

Derek Thomson, Unite Scottish Secretary,

Gordon Martin, RMT Scotland Regional Organiser,

Louise Gilmour, Secretary, GMB Scotland,

Mick Whelan, ASLEF General Secretary,

Jeanette Findlay, President UCU Scotland,

John Jamieson on behalf of PCS Scottish Sector Committee

Sai Viswanathan, President NUS Scotland

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Seems to have failed in Argentina. Rents skyrocketed in Scotland when it wad in too. I'd like to see if it's not had the opposite effect it wanted anywhere but can't find any. Mexico is trying it. Most economists I've seen say it will raise prices, I sincerely hope they are wrong and it works.

I think for it to work it would have to be matched with a large increase in housebuilding.

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Not related to land but interesting that a study shows that a house with planning permission can add around 100k to the value compared to if it didn't have planning. So 100k

https://www.introducertoday.co.uk/br...operty-prices/

Study – Planning permission can boost property prices

The biggest boost is in Bradford, where a home with planning permission sells for 52% more than those without – that’s an £81,789 rise.

Selling with pre-granted planning permission in both Birmingham and Bournemouth can also increase the value of a property by 51%. Both areas are also home to the highest premium in a financial sense at £106,674 and £159,049 respectively.

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I read elsewhere that London and Edinburgh show the biggest increase to a house with planning, seems obvious as the two most expensive cities. That's separate from the conversation about land with and without planning. It's pretty obvious the difference is huge, seeing the examples given already. It's a weird hill to die on.

It's still not blanket figure of 100k though is it, but you can't acknowledge that. It's a random figure and not borne out by the study you quoted rather selectively.

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It's still not blanket figure of 100k though is it, but you can't acknowledge that. It's a random figure and not borne out by the study you quoted rather selectively.

If I was betting my house I'd say it looks to be more than that in Scotland looking at all the examples given, not that it matters or I care much either way

[Ozyhibby]

Type ‘cost of Britains broken planning system’ into google and you can read articles in their thousands on it. It’s one of the few issues where agreement from the Spectator and the New statesman or the Telegraph and the Guardian can be found.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/new...harebar_native

Rent controls to get the boot? Would be great news for tenants and housebuilding.


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[Stairway 2 7]

No fault evections to be brought in in England also landlords can't ask for more than advertised, repairs to houses must be done in a specific time. About time they caught up to Scottish standards

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https://consultationhub.edinburgh.go...-consultation/

Up to 2700 houses could be built.

Unusually for Edinburgh Council this is actually inspired by ‘bottom up’ activism by members of Leith Links, Craigentinny and Portobello community councils in response to developers such as Buccleuch Holdings buying up property in the area. The council responded to pressure and realised that a wall of high ‘luxury’ flats along the existing drab walkway wasn’t acceptable.

No doubt what actually appears in the ground won’t match the plan but hopefully their will be a decent amount of affordable housing.

[Ozyhibby]

https://x.com/yimbyalliance/status/1...dxJXScFNwz8V4A

Good thread.


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https://x.com/robertkwolek/status/18...dxJXScFNwz8V4A




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Although I'm only looking at this subjectively, I have great difficulty believing that graph when I compare Germany to the UK. There's no way I could have got the house I have in the location I have for anywhere near the price I paid in the UK. One of the things I like doing when I'm back in the UK is browsing estate agents windows and looking at what I would get for the same money in the UK and it's incredibly obvious (at least to me) that the market in the UK is hugely overinflated.

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Although I'm only looking at this subjectively, I have great difficulty believing that graph when I compare Germany to the UK. There's no way I could have got the house I have in the location I have for anywhere near the price I paid in the UK. One of the things I like doing when I'm back in the UK is browsing estate agents windows and looking at what I would get for the same money in the UK and it's incredibly obvious (at least to me) that the market in the UK is hugely overinflated.

No it's how much they are to build not buy and its for new builds, cheap crap that sells for a packet as we have such a short supply available. I'd read Britain would have to build 8 million homes to have the same amount of free homes as Germany, supply and demand. Scotland has the lowest amount of spare homes of any oecd nation 5 times less than Germany


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This graph goes a long way towards explaining why British houses look so cheap and are such low quality, even though they're expensive to buy.

They are, in fact, built cheaply

The graph comes from this report, very much worth reading: https://institute.global/insights/economic-prosperity/the-urgent-need-to-build-more-homes

and I'd also recommend this as a relevant follow-up to issues of not just housing but the economy at large: https://ukfoundations.co

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https://x.com/robertkwolek/status/18...dxJXScFNwz8V4A




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https://www.hebhomes.com/prices

AGH501 2 bedrooms turnkey cost of 250k that's how much to build in Scotland a factory built home.

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No it's how much they are to build not buy and its for new builds, cheap crap that sells for a packet as we have such a short supply available. I'd read Britain would have to build 8 million homes to have the same amount of free homes as Germany, supply and demand. Scotland has the lowest amount of spare homes of any oecd nation 5 times less than Germany


@RobertKwolek
This graph goes a long way towards explaining why British houses look so cheap and are such low quality, even though they're expensive to buy.

They are, in fact, built cheaply

The graph comes from this report, very much worth reading: https://institute.global/insights/economic-prosperity/the-urgent-need-to-build-more-homes

and I'd also recommend this as a relevant follow-up to issues of not just housing but the economy at large: https://ukfoundations.co

So prices are hugely overinflated.

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So prices are hugely overinflated.

Yeah we get a plasterboard palace and pay through the roof for the pleasure. Don't know what the average price difference is between Germany and UK but yous are getting some serious bang for your buck and great quality homes it seems

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Hard to compare the proportions of build v land % from that chart and not sure it can be trusted considering it suggests land in the Netherlands seems to be almost free!

No doubt though that U.K. houses seem poor value on any quality v cost metric though.

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Yeah we get a plasterboard palace and pay through the roof for the pleasure. Don't know what the average price difference is between Germany and UK but yous are getting some serious bang for your buck and great quality homes it seems

Might have something to do with the fact that Germans prefer to rent than buy meaning builders have to offer quality builds if they're going to get contracts. That and you have to have completed an apprenticeship in nearly every line of work to be able to carry out the job.

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Might have something to do with the fact that Germans prefer to rent than buy meaning builders have to offer quality builds if they're going to get contracts. That and you have to have completed an apprenticeship in nearly every line of work to be able to carry out the job.

Who owns all the family homes and apartments then? Often wondered this. Are they government owned or private?

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Who owns all the family homes and apartments then? Often wondered this. Are they government owned or private?

Private I think. Prices are kept low by the spare capacity. Power lies with the renter.


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Who owns all the family homes and apartments then? Often wondered this. Are they government owned or private?

There are laws in place that have their roots in the 1920's. These laws are different from State to State in Germany but basically give building companies and organisations the right to build housing at a reduced cost or are given state funded subsidies. The strings attached are that these houses are then contracted out as Sozialwohnungen (social housing) and the owners are contractually obliged to rent at reduced prices for a set number of years (decades) to provide decent housing for low earners.

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Private I think. Prices are kept low by the spare capacity. Power lies with the renter.


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Yeah private. UK has one of the lowest number of private landlords in Western Europe per head

[Stairway 2 7]

Homelessness explosion in Scotland is shocking especially the number of homeless children. We need to turbo charge council and council association housing. There isn't much I would prioritise in the budget above making a child not be homeless

https://news.stv.tv/politics/number-...x=1727168950-1

Number of live homelessness cases in Scotland surges to record-high
The number of households in temporary accommodation is also at record highs, increasing by 9% from last year to surge to 16,330.

Figures released on Tuesday showed that 31,870 homelessness applications were ongoing as of March 31.

That’s up from 29,408 last year and 10,642 in 2003 when current records began.

The number of households in temporary accommodation – as well as the amount of children in such homes – is also at a record high, increasing by 9% from last year to surge to 16,330

[Moulin Yarns]

An advert popped up on Instagram,


https://www.amazon.co.uk/MOLVUS-Cont...s%2C125&sr=8-2




Housing solution for temporary accommodation? There's a few options, search tiny house on amazon.

[Ozyhibby]

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An advert popped up on Instagram,


https://www.amazon.co.uk/MOLVUS-Cont...s%2C125&sr=8-2




Housing solution for temporary accommodation? There's a few options, search tiny house on amazon.

We can just put everyone in static caravans if we want a cheap solution.


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[Ozyhibby]

https://www.gov.scot/news/increasing...dable-housing/

Good idea?


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[superfurryhibby]

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https://www.gov.scot/news/increasing...dable-housing/

Good idea?


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If managed properly then it would appear so. I really don't understand the role of the financial intermediary?

"A £22 million investment has been made into a scheme to increase investment in affordable homes and deliver more housing.

As part of Scotland's Charitable Bond Programme, the Scottish Government has provided funding to issue two new bonds via finance intermediary Allia to housing providers Link and Cairn Housing Association to provide support for more than 150 new homes.

The programme, which has been running since 2014, provides loans to social landlords to construct new affordable homes, with the interest being reinvested by the Scottish Government into the affordable housing budget to support more homes for social rent.

This latest extension will see the total number of bonds issued increased to 40 and a total investment of more than £482 million.

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If managed properly then it would appear so. I really don't understand the role of the financial intermediary?

"A £22 million investment has been made into a scheme to increase investment in affordable homes and deliver more housing.

As part of Scotland's Charitable Bond Programme, the Scottish Government has provided funding to issue two new bonds via finance intermediary Allia to housing providers Link and Cairn Housing Association to provide support for more than 150 new homes.

The programme, which has been running since 2014, provides loans to social landlords to construct new affordable homes, with the interest being reinvested by the Scottish Government into the affordable housing budget to support more homes for social rent.

This latest extension will see the total number of bonds issued increased to 40 and a total investment of more than £482 million.

Only 150 homes though. If that is all govt can afford to invest then they need to find a way to leverage in some private investment. We need a lot more than 150 homes.


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