Hibs Women

[wallpaperman]

A regular crowd at a Hibs women’s game is around 250, with a variation of 50 or so each way depending on the weather or the opposition. As there are only 499 seats at Meadowbank, it is rarely full or really close to being so.

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What's a normal attendance at Meadowbank?

As someone who doesn't follow the women's team I'm genuinely interested in how many people watch them on the days there aren't any free tickets being handed out to entice people along.

You should head along to watch them sometime. Decent team this year but one which unfortunately (much like the men's team on too many occasions to remember) had a bad day at last week's derby. As others have said, watching the women's team (particularly in recent seasons) can often salvage your mood after a crap men's result/performance.

I'd love to see women's football take off in Scotland as you can see what a successful product it's become in England. There's significant rethinking required around the structure of the game though before serious strides can be taken.

[blackpoolhibs]

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A regular crowd at a Hibs women’s game is around 250, with a variation of 50 or so each way depending on the weather or the opposition. As there are only 499 seats at Meadowbank, it is rarely full or really close to being so.

Thank you.

[worcesterhibby]

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I guess it’s good to gauge progress given the vast increase in investment and also exposure and see if that’s translating into a bigger support and see the trends. It’s always going to be contentious but surely transparency is best policy.

good answer. Cheers

[.Sean.]

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Yeah there’s been some investment and by not being explicit the club have left themselves open to it sounding like a lot more has been invested
Not sure if it needs to be financially viable? The mens team isn’t for example but I don’t think many on here would say we should stop funding it?

Well of course we’d never say stop funding it, that’s because we all care about the men’s team. Same can’t be said for the ladies team, two different cases and you know it. I think a woman’s team that some at best have a passing interest in and that most couldn’t care less about should be financially viable on their own and not subsidised as much. I have absolutely nothing against the woman’s team and wish them all the best and this will probably sound harsh but I’ve no interest in seeing money that could be funnelled towards the men’s team instead ‘invested’ in the woman’s team and I imagine plenty folk will feel the same.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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Well of course we’d never say stop funding it, that’s because we all care about the men’s team. Same can’t be said for the ladies team, two different cases and you know it. I think a woman’s team that some at best have a passing interest in and that most couldn’t care less about should be financially viable on their own and not subsidised as much. I have absolutely nothing against the woman’s team and wish them all the best and this will probably sound harsh but I’ve no interest in seeing money that could be funnelled towards the men’s team instead ‘invested’ in the woman’s team and I imagine plenty folk will feel the same.

Seems that way. Think they could explain it’s from a different budget etc., although I think that was explained and ignored/not understood.

I guess some probably feel the same about the boys academy given it struggles to balance the books as well?

It’s good the engagement is increasing on this thread from those that don’t care though. Good opportunity to turn that into caring.

[HUTCHYHIBBY]

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Seems that way. Think they could explain it’s from a different budget etc., although I think that was explained and ignored/not understood.

I guess some probably feel the same about the boys academy given it struggles to balance the books as well?

It’s good the engagement is increasing on this thread from those that don’t care though. Good opportunity to turn that into caring.

The Academy team provides a pathway to the men's first team that the women's team doesn't, it's obviously not being utilised correctly recently but, the opportunity remains.

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The Academy team provides a pathway to the men's first team that the women's team doesn't, it's obviously not being utilised correctly recently but, the opportunity remains.

It’s supposed to but just takes money away from the first team in reality.

[Groathillgrump]

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A regular crowd at a Hibs women’s game is around 250, with a variation of 50 or so each way depending on the weather or the opposition. As there are only 499 seats at Meadowbank, it is rarely full or really close to being so.

Thanks for that answer, wallpaperman.

It does make you wonder how the women's team can grow with attendances of around 250. I'd imagine a good percentage of the crowd will be friends and family of the players too.

Would the gate money even cover the cost of renting Meadowbank on match days?

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You should head along to watch them sometime. Decent team this year but one which unfortunately (much like the men's team on too many occasions to remember) had a bad day at last week's derby. As others have said, watching the women's team (particularly in recent seasons) can often salvage your mood after a crap men's result/performance.

I'd love to see women's football take off in Scotland as you can see what a successful product it's become in England. There's significant rethinking required around the structure of the game though before serious strides can be taken.

A few years ago I did actually attend a couple of the bigger games played at Easter Road but really didn't enjoy it. I'll get pelters for saying this but I thought the standard of football was really poor. Goalkeeping in particular from all the teams involved was shockingly bad. Maybe I was just unlucky with the matches I chose but nothing I saw made me want to return.

It's not for me but I wish the Hibs Women all the best and hope the rethink around the structure you mention happens sooner rather than later.

[.Sean.]

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Seems that way. Think they could explain it’s from a different budget etc., although I think that was explained and ignored/not understood.

I guess some probably feel the same about the boys academy given it struggles to balance the books as well?

It’s good the engagement is increasing on this thread from those that don’t care though. Good opportunity to turn that into caring.

Nope, funding the academy is totally different to funding the ladies team. It’s essential as it should be providing a route for players in the academy to eventually play for the first team

[Danderhall Hibs]

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Nope, funding the academy is totally different to funding the ladies team. It’s essential as it should be providing a route for players in the academy to eventually play for the first team

i understand it’s different however as one of the concerns seems to be money being diverted away from the first team and not being self sufficient etc, I’d expect some scrutiny. Is it essential? Hardly anyone comes through, does it make money?

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i understand it’s different however as one of the concerns seems to be money being diverted away from the first team and not being self sufficient etc, I’d expect some scrutiny. Is it essential? Hardly anyone comes through, does it make money?

The possibility remains.

[Henderson2Del]

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i understand it’s different however as one of the concerns seems to be money being diverted away from the first team and not being self sufficient etc, I’d expect some scrutiny. Is it essential? Hardly anyone comes through, does it make money?

I think a number of areas of the club need properly audited and a cost analysis done. Does the academy produce anything close to value? Does the vast increase in spend on sports science and additional coaching really give us value and additional gain? Does our board offer wide and good enough governance? Does the ceo offer £ for £ value.

I think we are a bit scattergun hence the losses and lack of progress

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I think a number of areas of the club need properly audited and a cost analysis done. Does the academy produce anything close to value? Does the vast increase in spend on sports science and additional coaching really give us value and additional gain? Does our board offer wide and good enough governance? Does the ceo offer £ for £ value.

I think we are a bit scattergun hence the losses and lack of progress

Good questions. 👍🏼

[Danderhall Hibs]

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The possibility remains.

It does - I guess it’s a cost v likelihood analysis that could be required. Someone earlier said that all areas of the club should be self sufficient.

[Cammy]

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You should head along to watch them sometime. Decent team this year but one which unfortunately (much like the men's team on too many occasions to remember) had a bad day at last week's derby. As others have said, watching the women's team (particularly in recent seasons) can often salvage your mood after a crap men's result/performance.

I'd love to see women's football take off in Scotland as you can see what a successful product it's become in England. There's significant rethinking required around the structure of the game though before serious strides can be taken.

I went with my daughter to the Hibs v Dundee Utd game a few weeks back and was pleasantly surprised by the quality Hibs showed and their constant attacking play, they look a good side. There is a very obvious gap in quality though between the top 5 teams and the rest. I would definitely go to watch them again, something I probably wouldn't have said a year or two ago.

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Well of course we’d never say stop funding it, that’s because we all care about the men’s team. Same can’t be said for the ladies team, two different cases and you know it. I think a woman’s team that some at best have a passing interest in and that most couldn’t care less about should be financially viable on their own and not subsidised as much. I have absolutely nothing against the woman’s team and wish them all the best and this will probably sound harsh but I’ve no interest in seeing money that could be funnelled towards the men’s team instead ‘invested’ in the woman’s team and I imagine plenty folk will feel the same.

My understanding is that the womens team did their own fundraising for the pre season training camp so I'm not sure how much funding the club give them. I don't think it will be enough to have a great deal of effect on the Men's team budget.

[easty]

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It does - I guess it’s a cost v likelihood analysis that could be required. Someone earlier said that all areas of the club should be self sufficient.

How does the academy as a stand-alone unit of the club become self-sufficient? There's no money to be made in that area, unless we're selling on guys before they're part of the first-team.

If a player moved through to the first team and is sold, that's the first team making money, not the academy.

As it is, I'd put the academy in with the mens team as a single budget area that I'd be hoping to become self-sufficient.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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How does the academy as a stand-alone unit of the club become self-sufficient? There's no money to be made in that area, unless we're selling on guys before they're part of the first-team.

If a player moved through to the first team and is sold, that's the first team making money, not the academy.

As it is, I'd put the academy in with the mens team as a single budget area that I'd be hoping to become self-sufficient.

How much it costs vs player sales in its most basic form.

I was just taking the all areas of the club should be self sufficient suggestion and going with it - I’m not sure how many areas of the club are, especially if we lump what seems to be separate into the mens team.

There may be more to it but as I said I’d suspect costs vs value (sales plus however you judge the value of a player making the first team)

Anyway this thread is meant to be about the women’s team and it’s being derailed.

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Thanks for that answer, wallpaperman.

It does make you wonder how the women's team can grow with attendances of around 250. I'd imagine a good percentage of the crowd will be friends and family of the players too.

Would the gate money even cover the cost of renting Meadowbank on match days?




A few years ago I did actually attend a couple of the bigger games played at Easter Road but really didn't enjoy it. I'll get pelters for saying this but I thought the standard of football was really poor. Goalkeeping in particular from all the teams involved was shockingly bad. Maybe I was just unlucky with the matches I chose but nothing I saw made me want to return.

It's not for me but I wish the Hibs Women all the best and hope the rethink around the structure you mention happens sooner rather than later.

Goalkeeping in the women's game has improved significantly in recent times. Hibs have a genuinely good keeper this season. She was outstanding against Celtic recently.

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i understand it’s different however as one of the concerns seems to be money being diverted away from the first team and not being self sufficient etc, I’d expect some scrutiny. Is it essential? Hardly anyone comes through, does it make money?

It's clearly not essential based on the paltry number of players who have made any long term impression in the first team since its inception. It either doesn't produce more than a tiny number players of the desired standard or managers are too wary of giving the academy players a chance. If it was in any way successful we wouldn't have signed 50 (mostly bang average) players under the Gordons.

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I went with my daughter to the Hibs v Dundee Utd game a few weeks back and was pleasantly surprised by the quality Hibs showed and their constant attacking play, they look a good side. There is a very obvious gap in quality though between the top 5 teams and the rest. I would definitely go to watch them again, something I probably wouldn't have said a year or two ago.

Glad to hear it.

The biggest mistake I find people make when criticising the women's game is to come at it from an unreconsructed male viewpoint (eg 'the Hibs youth team could hammer the women'). Women's football is an entity in its own right and should be assessed accordingly.

[blackpoolhibs]

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Glad to hear it.

The biggest mistake I find people make when criticising the women's game is to come at it from an unreconsructed male viewpoint (eg 'the Hibs youth team could hammer the women'). Women's football is an entity in its own right and should be assessed accordingly.

I agree 100%, where we might disagree is how it is funded.

[cabbageandribs1875]

FT as expected Glasgow City 3 Hibernian 0, i'm saying nowt about the keeper performance, or the defending

never easy when you lose a goal after just 47 seconds

FT Spartans 3 Aberdeen 1



Hearts should give rangers a good game later

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FT as expected Glasgow City 3 Hibernian 0, i'm saying nowt about the keeper performance, or the defending

never easy when you lose a goal after just 47 seconds

FT Spartans 3 Aberdeen 1



Hearts should give rangers a good game later

Thought the FT score was a bit harsh. We were still in it at 1-0 late in the game.

[The Hibee Harp]

All three goals were bad errors but I’ve been concerned about the centre of our defence for a while and it’s proving to be a real weak spot for us.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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All three goals were bad errors but I’ve been concerned about the centre of our defence for a while and it’s proving to be a real weak spot for us.

Who played there for us today? I like Poppy Lawson but think Notley is playing out of position in there.

[cabbageandribs1875]

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Thought the FT score was a bit harsh. We were still in it at 1-0 late in the game.

we created very little up the other end, poor finishing kept it down





FT's

Queens Park 0 Motherwell 6
Hearts 0 Rangers 2
Dundee United 0 Partick Thistle 4

Celtic won the 1st leg of their CL qualifying yesterday 1-0 away

[The Hibee Harp]

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Who played there for us today? I like Poppy Lawson but think Notley is playing out of position in there.

Poppy and Shiv. Ellis was on the bench.

[Danderhall Hibs]

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Poppy and Shiv. Ellis was on the bench.

I’d play Notley ahead of Shiv even if out of position.